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Roswell 1947: Case Closed · HOLOSKY PODCAST

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[SPEAKER_01]: To what is, I would say arguably, but it's not arguably
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[SPEAKER_01]: the biggest UFO case.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm gonna say we ever.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm in a grant.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think it's any bigger than Roswell.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, that's how it goes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Magicly whisking us away.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's a 1947.
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[SPEAKER_00]: In 1947, the United States military told the public, they recovered a flying disk.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Less than 24 hours later, they said, never mind.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was a weather balloon.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And decades later, they said, actually, it was a top secret nuclear surveillance project.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Then later, they said, the bodies people reported were crash test dummies.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So the question obviously becomes,
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[SPEAKER_00]: What exactly happened in Roswell?
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[SPEAKER_01]: The answer is, don't trust your government.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I absolutely, absolutely.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And today in this episode, we're gonna kind of be going over the official stories.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not gonna delve too much into what happened per se and the theories around or anything like that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's gonna be more focused on the official narratives and how wonky it gets very, very quickly.
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[SPEAKER_01]: the the official like government media released narratives.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, yes, like I I've I scoured a bunch of documents like there's there's an FBI document.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's like a GOA document.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There was several different investigations done by different branches of the government and they all came back with official reports.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And like I'm kind of
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[SPEAKER_00]: because by all the official government reports, it's solved because they ain't good in this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We have a social government.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, reports.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So it smells like smells like Holocaust, and this is going to be a multi-partner.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, it's definitely going to be a multi-partner.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm thinking at least three episodes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They're going to at least three episodes, but we'll see how it pans out.
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[SPEAKER_01]: they, they feast on your multi partners.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to try to, I'm going to try to do this one as much justice as I did, star dust.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Fuck yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's kind of my goal.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'll stop you, happen.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's get her.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So everyone knows this story.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Everyone loves this story.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Everybody's heard this story.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I feel like we've all actually had no at this point.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We've all heard iterations of this story.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We don't really have none of us really
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[SPEAKER_00]: including myself have the big picture, and I'm sure I'm even going to miss stuff in my multi-part of here, but kind of starts with William Brasel, apparently people called him Mac.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He worked on the JB Foster Ranch and came across some scattered debris, which was apparently
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[SPEAKER_00]: When he first found it, he did what most of us would have most likely kind of done.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He just basically ignored it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And UFO, don't worry about it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's, and this is more on the official side.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So keep that in mind.
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[SPEAKER_00]: However, later, he comes back with his family and starts to gather up some of the material.
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[SPEAKER_00]: A lot of the reports that I found initially,
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[SPEAKER_00]: that he found what was like rubber strips, tin foil, tough paper, and sticks.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right, so that's what was reported.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Later on he hears about the flying saucers and wonders if this is what he had found.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So he calls the sheriff, but the time was sheriff Wilcox, and says, hey man, I might have found one of those flying
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[SPEAKER_00]: And at the time, apparently there was a pretty hefty reward out there for people being able to gather real life evidence of these UFOs.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So the sheriff for whatever reason takes it serious, and he calls the RAF Major Jesse Marcel.
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[SPEAKER_00]: from the nearby military base.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Marcel went to the ranch with Lieutenant Colonel Sheridan caveat and Master Sergeant Bill Rickett where they pick up more pieces of the crash.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And at this point, it's not a cover up.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's not a UFO story.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's simply a debris recovery.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's already quiet and contained.
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[SPEAKER_00]: July 8, 1947, Roswell Army Airfield, Issues Estatement, a flying disc, media hits it, a fucking ignite.
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[SPEAKER_00]: One easily one of the largest UFO stories on the planet.
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[SPEAKER_00]: As quick as this happens though, the military draws back and reports a weather balloon.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And we know this part of the story.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We love this part of the story.
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[SPEAKER_00]: However, the narrative around this incident is actually changing, which is extremely interesting to me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's why I'm glad I've picked up the story now, because I know this story from when we're a wee little guys.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, way back in the day.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And now, apparently this happened in, I want to say 94.95, a different explanation comes out for the Roswell incident.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So the narrative shift now is that it wasn't aliens.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It wasn't a weather balloon.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was actually a cover up of a military program called Project Mogul.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'd never heard a project in a mogul.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm like, well, what the fuck is this?
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[SPEAKER_00]: This program was used to detect Soviet and nuclear tests.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This project actually used microphones in different types of equipment that would be flown on this string of high altitude balloons.
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[SPEAKER_00]: the purpose of this was that it had the capability of long-range detection of sound waves that were generated by Soviet atomic bomb tests.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So this was a way for the United States to monitor the Soviets testing their nuclear capabilities.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There were other operations as well that would use balloons for spying on other countries.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You have the Skyhook Balloon Program, Project Moby Dick, and Project Gen Tricks.
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[SPEAKER_00]: These programs would use cameras and shit to spy on the Soviet.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Some even took part in, they called it cosmic array experiments, which doesn't sound fucking alien at all.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, in 1978, Jesse Marcel comes out and says that the balloon claim was a cover story.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He speculated that the debris was actually extraterrestrial, which then in 1980, the Roswell incident book with all of its, with all of this gets twisted in the alien lore.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We all know and love today.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But let's circle back.
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[SPEAKER_00]: and really get into some of the debris that was found by Mac Brazel or however you want to label him.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm probably from now just calling Mac.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'll use Brazel here and there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So he finds it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He doesn't have a phone, leaves the area as we've discussed.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now here's something incredibly important for context.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Roswell did not happen in a vacuum.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Private pilot Kenneth Arnold is flying near Mount Rainier in Washington, when he reports seeing nine strange objects moving at incredible speed.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And not just moving fast, they're moving weird.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Arnold described them as skipping through the air like a saucer skipping across water.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that description right there changed history.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because the newspapers grabbed onto the wording and suddenly America had a brand new phrase.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Flying saucers.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now imagine that, it's 1947, but we're too just ended, atomic weapons are real, the cold war is brewing, people are already nervous as hell about secret military technology, and what the Soviets might be doing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Then suddenly the newspapers are screaming about mysterious crafts flying in the sky.
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[SPEAKER_00]: and once Arnold's story's broke, while Gates fucking opened.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Reports start pouring in from all over the country, pilots, civilians, military personnel, random everyday people looking up to seeing things they can't explain.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Some estimates say over 800 saucer reports came within weeks.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's this wild.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Cool label, this became known as the summer of saucers.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Which is gangster, how awesome.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's such a good name and on top of that, how irresponsible was the government to release the original, the original story that a flying disk crash.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They recovered flying disk debris, how irresponsible is that if it were not a flying disk.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, I absolutely agree, is sheer insanity that they use that story.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This summer of the saucers, that's so good.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's so good.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No, even another one.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It was like the drones.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So at this point, America had basically entered a full blown flying disc panic.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So when Brazel later hears new stories about strange flying objects crashing and newspapers offering rewards for physical proof, his years perk up, because this wasn't just some isolated weird story.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The entire country was already losing its fucking mind over things in the sky.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I want hopefully everybody listening and Steve, you are able to absorb some of the story
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is from a more of a official narrative that I'm finding.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I stumbled on a book that is extremely well done.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's called witness to Roswell.
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[SPEAKER_00]: My next several episodes are going to be highly dissecting that book and my information become from there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is an information from all over the fucking internet.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it seems like there's this official narrative
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then the guys that did this book have like a real timeline for what Brasal actually did and what actually takes place.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So there's two different variations of what is going on with this story.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We get today we're getting the official narrative.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then the next episodes we're getting the real narrative.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, we would classify as the real narrative.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's what it is to me the real narrative.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, Brasal went to visit his uncle Hollis, Wilson, who suggested his debris could be a flying disk.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Some motivation for that could have been that the local newspaper said it could be a Soviet tech.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And they offered $3,000 for any physical proof.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now at the time, $3,000 is about $45,000 in our current time, so these are the amount of money.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's what I'm saying is picking up some fucking debris on your land some sticks.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm down.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Number.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'll take the three honestly and today's money share.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Just take the other key about six tanks of gas.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's fucking no lie.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So of course, Brasal has it in his head.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is this is so be it shit.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm about to compete.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So many contact sheriff George Wilcox and he sets off on that
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[SPEAKER_00]: had just so happened to house the 509th bomb group of the 8th Air Force.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They were the only unit at the time capable of delivering nuclear weapons, which is odd placement if you think about it being a nuclear outfit and having a UFO crash, right up your ass.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, that kind of lines up for things that are about to happen in the future past 1947.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So the anyways, the go to the ranch and collect the debris and base commander, Colonel William Blanchard, notified the 80th Air Force Commanding Officer Roger M, Rami of their findings.
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[SPEAKER_00]: July 8th Public Information Officer Walter Hotout has a press release and clearly says they
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[SPEAKER_00]: Robert Porter, a flight engineer, was part of the crew that loaded this object and was told this was a flying saucer.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This was all headed for Fort Worth Army Airfield in Texas.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He describes the material as lightweight and what he had or what he could fit inside the trunk of what he had could fit inside the trunk of his car.
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[SPEAKER_00]: George Walsh broke the news on Roswell radio station KSWS and relayed that to the associated press.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He said his phone lines were overwhelmed all day long, having people call him from all over the entire world.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I just want to take a moment to what a fucking at least for Stephen
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[SPEAKER_00]: Living in that moment for Steve and I would have been fucking electric.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think if we had a podcast then, oh, it would be mind blowing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That would be so sick.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So here's the actual press release.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The many rumors regarding the flying disk became a reality yesterday when the five, five, five hundred and ninth bomb group of the eighth air of 80th Air Force.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Roswell Army Airfield was fortunate enough to gain possession of a disk through the cooperation of one of the local ranchers and the sheriff's office of Shavez County.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The flying object landed on a ranch near Roswell sometime last week.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Not having phone facilities, the rancher stored the disk until such time as he was able to contact the sheriff's office, who in turn notified Major Jesse A. Marcell of the 509th bomb group intelligence officers.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That was associated with the press July 8th, 1947.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's even.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Mac put it like he just found some rubber and sticks and so forth this was put it that he had this can store that bitch yeah Yeah, so you see how I did I also I didn't realize this either because we're growing up we knew that the UFO crashed
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then a weather bloom was reported.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's kind of what we knew growing up, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I had no idea that it was reported that Mack had a fucking UFO stored in his barn.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't mean if you know that they were actual, like press running this that said he had a UFO.
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[SPEAKER_01]: When I was younger, looking through all the UFO books, seeing the newspapers of flying disk crashed in Roswell, Honor Oswell, Ranch, and like, because that was nationwide.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That was everywhere.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Little towns like fucking Jerseyville's newspaper were covering it, because it was that big.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And you have to, you have to think, there wasn't no internet back then.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This, this was all, all telephone associated press news like old school media, yeah, which is even more amazing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So shortly after this media attention dies,
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[SPEAKER_00]: are shortly after the media tension on the entirety of Roswell dies.
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[SPEAKER_00]: General Roger Rami, Chief of Staff, Colonel Thomas Dubos, and Weather Officer Irving Newton identified the material as pieces of a weather balloon.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They told reports
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[SPEAKER_00]: That similar radar targets were used at about 80 weather stations.
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[SPEAKER_00]: July 9, the Roswell Daily said that no engine or metal parts had been found in the wreckage.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If you recall, even Braslam self supposedly reports rubber strips, tin foil, paper, tape, and sticks.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Even though he paid little attention, he comes back later with his life, or his wife and daughter to pick up debris.
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[SPEAKER_00]: In Fort Worth, Texas, Jesse Marcel described the wreckage's parts of the weather device, tinfoil and broken wooden beams, nothing special.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Some of this material being so exotic of tinfoil and wooden beams, which is extremely hard to identify, was flown out to right field in Ohio from Texas.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Colonel Marcelo Stuffy also says this is a blue equipment.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Shrakowski to discuss the debris.
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[SPEAKER_00]: My point there is, who the fuck doesn't know what a stick and tin foil looks like, and why would the military not only ship it from Roswell to Texas, but from Texas to Ohio.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Literally at that point, put enough miles to damn near considered across the country.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And for any of you that don't know, you should know, the right Patterson is the UFO base.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's, it's the UFO base.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Anything UFO recovery related was going through right Patterson.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And like, they said the tin foil was so exotic.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No, I think I think I put that in there as sarcasm.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so this is so fucking exotic that we need to ship it across the goddamn country.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's about to get sarcastic with it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Because in some of the old cases, you heard people describe the foil that they could crumble it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it would retake its shape.
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[SPEAKER_01]: which is not how ten-foil works for those of you that don't know to be able to be able to recover.
27:21
[SPEAKER_01]: You know what?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm over drones.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm over these weird jellyfish and a more fiction.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I want flying saucers back.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Same.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Bring back flying saucers.
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[SPEAKER_01]: 100% because I'm over as
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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, fucking 100,000 saucers in the sky.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'll be awesome.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'd be throwing shit out of them anyway.
27:52
[SPEAKER_00]: So the Colonel Marcel's Duffy who had ties the mogul says in a statement, listen, I can't disclose information, but I can't tell you that this is basically
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[SPEAKER_00]: hard word for me to say.
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[SPEAKER_00]: 1947, official account omitted any connection to Cold War military programs on July 10th, the military at Alamangordo gave a demonstration to the press.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Four officers provided a false account of mundane weather balloon usage throughout the previous year.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They also demonstrated configurations used by the mogul team as ways of gathering
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[SPEAKER_00]: meteorological, meteorological data.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I haven't looked in this particular case, but it's the twin falls incident, also known as the twin falls saucer hoax.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Apparently 14 ages were using parts from a jukebox to create a report on a crash saucer.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But these accounts that pop up start to discredit the saucer timeline, which in turn will put people in the camp that Roswell crash was just that, another hoax attempt.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Furthermore, maybe it was an attempt to cash in on the money that had been offered before.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So if that's true, if this twin falls incident was nothing more than a, just a hoax by some kids trying to get paid, they completely discredits, Roswell, which sounds intentional
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I, like I said, I haven't looked into intervals, so maybe it's, maybe it's another Roswell that I don't know about, however, running on what I have right now, it sounds intentional.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It sounds like somebody put these kids up to it, like, hey, and we'll give you as a money.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Interesting timing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Moving forward, in 1978, Stan Friedman interviewed Jesse Marcel.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Once again, Marcel had been there to take the debris from the ranch to Fort Worth.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Our cell stated that the weather balloon explanation was nothing more than a hoax because the material he found was not that of a balloon he believes it is of an extraterrestrial origin in 1979.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Marcel was then interviewed by Bob Pratt of the National Enquirer, which brings large scale attention to the Marcel story.
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[SPEAKER_00]: In this Marcel described a material like foil that could be crumpled up and would actually uncrumple when it was released.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So almost like a memory foil or they call it memory metal.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Marcel then moved forward and went on TV show called
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[SPEAKER_00]: Marcel describes his participation in the 1947 press conference, and I quote, they wanted some comments for me, but I wasn't a liberty to do that, so all I could do is keep my mouth shut.
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[SPEAKER_00]: In general, Rayme is the one who discussed and told the papers, I mean, newsmen, what it was, and to forget about it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It is nothing more than a weather observation balloon.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Of course, we both knew differently.
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[SPEAKER_00]: UFOologist actually ended up interviewing Marcel's son, Jesse A. Marcel Jr., who said that when he was 10 years old, his father had shown him material from our cover UFO crash, including a small beam with purple-hewed hieroglyphics on it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Which sounds legit, until apparently,
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[SPEAKER_00]: These symbols, these hieroglyphics, actually match the symbols on the adhesive tape that project mogul stores from a New York Toy Manufacturer, a official story.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So they're using...
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[SPEAKER_01]: toy tape, a tape up, top secret, top secret, nuclear listening devices, yes, got it, got it, love it, but you know what, you know what, watching the government transpire as it has in my lifetime, I can't discredit that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I definitely feel that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They probably charged the most expensive role to tape in the world to put together this top secret, nuclear listening balloon, and then bought the toy tape to put it together and pocketed the rest.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's crazy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's crazy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't even know why fucking a tweet company would have weird hyperglyphics on some tape anyways to make them whatever.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I guess, you know, he's fucking my.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So in 1980, the book, the Roswell incident claims that the craft was here to observe nuclear weapons activity when lightning struck it and killed the alien crew.
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[SPEAKER_00]: After recovering the crash alien technology, the United States government engaged in
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[SPEAKER_00]: More bullshit would go on, or go something like this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I witnessed this came forward and claimed to have seen alien bodies.
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[SPEAKER_00]: However, this was easily explained.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What had actually happened was, people had seen fallen parachute test dummies.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's what happened, obviously.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Roger Lannus, who was a historian and retired curator for the Division of Space History at the Smithsonian National Air and Space Museum, says that these explanations cleared everything up.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But it was nothing more than a bunch of balloons from Project Mogul and Crash Test Dummies.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The military wasn't about to release national security information to the general public.
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[SPEAKER_00]: about mogul, so they went with the convenient story about UFOs, which was all the craze at the time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then immediately pulled back and said that it was a weather balloon.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If that Eve, let's just pretend that statement is true.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But this, I want to use a bad word here, but I can't use this dumbass is correct.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Utterly.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Block a near responsible.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Are you that you choose UFOs?
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[SPEAKER_00]: A goddamn alien invasion to go.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I have an idea of covering up a story about balloons.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's use UFOs.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know that is literally the dumbest thing I've ever heard.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You honestly have your own cover story with a weather balloon that you could have used.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And why would you not?
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[SPEAKER_00]: If this is a project that is using essentially weather balloons,
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[SPEAKER_00]: but it's something like why not just go, hey guys, it was just a, it was literally just a weather balloon.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's all it was.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's not a big of a deal.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's because they cover story is there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It wrote itself.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's because they found a UFO is what it is.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's what I asked.
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[SPEAKER_01]: UFO and they said, holy shit.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We found a crash UFO and they're like, oh shit, no, we didn't.
35:32
[SPEAKER_00]: This is one of my favorites in regards to people seeing that seeing alien bodies.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I've heard this before, but this is easily my favorite explanation.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, the official one of the, it's an official fear, I shouldn't call it an explanation.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Another theory on the alien bodies is that it actually came from the USSR.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Have you heard this before Steve?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, no.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh good.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You are going to fucking die.
36:08
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm here for it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The crash vehicle was not a UFO or some top secret US military project.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was part of a plan, a fucking genius.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was part of a plan to spread panic in America, all from the genius mind of Joseph Stalin, and actually what this was.
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[SPEAKER_00]: are at actually an unnamed source from area 51 who worked as an engineer so that this program had actually been designed by Nazi concentration camp doctor, Joseph Minkill.
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[SPEAKER_00]: According to this credible man, they used deformed Soviet children to resemble aliens, then deployed an aircraft over New Mexico.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The well thought out plan was that the craft would crash.
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[SPEAKER_00]: These deformed kids would crawl out of the craft UFO and then create all types of panic because it was thought that everyone would instantly assume these things crawling out of the craft clearly came from Mars.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then I don't really don't know how this works, but then
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[SPEAKER_00]: The plan was that by doing this, the early warning radar defense system would be overwhelmed by sightings of other UFOs.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know how that works.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I rolled that around in my head and I don't know how that works.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Hmm.
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[SPEAKER_00]: However, the plan is genius.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm still going to go into this with the grain of salt.
37:50
[SPEAKER_01]: And so we know that the Nazis were very deep into a cult and paranormal lore.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We know that they were trying to create UFOs UFO technology.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We also know that they were conducting experiments on people.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: you have all the ingredients to create this narrative.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And if two people were gonna do something as shitty is creating deformed Soviet children, putting them in on a suicide mission to crash it, putting them in a UFO on a suicide mission to crash in the United States, it would be Hitler and Stalin.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm I'm just A couple holes here those deep ones.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, there's a little much.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and I also want to point out the fact that So let me get this straight You you had a serious thought that okay and let's just pretend it's not a UFO.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's just put it pretend it's a fucking plane You seriously think
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[SPEAKER_00]: you're going to put a bunch of kids in a plane that don't know how to fly the fucking plane, but somehow the plane's going to get from wherever, assuming Lee from across the fucking ocean, it's going to land, it's going to land in America, and then the kids are going to crawl out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to survive.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They're going to survive a fucking air crash, and they're
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, day on flawless day on this plan uh-uh-uh-uh-uh-uh-uh-uh-uh-uh-uh-uh-uh-uh-uh-uh-uh-uh-uh-uh-uh-uh-uh-uh-uh-uh-uh-uh-uh-uh-uh-uh-uh-uh-uh-uh-uh-uh-uh-uh-uh-uh-uh-uh-uh-uh-uh-uh-uh-uh-uh-uh-uh-uh-uh-uh-uh-uh-uh-uh-uh-uh-uh-uh-uh-uh-uh-uh-uh-uh-uh-uh-uh-uh-uh-uh-uh-uh-uh-uh-uh-uh-uh-uh-uh-uh-uh-uh-uh-uh-uh-uh-uh-uh-uh-uh-uh-uh-uh-uh-uh-uh-uh
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[SPEAKER_01]: because yeah, we know, we know that the Nazis did some pretty heinous shit.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Of course.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The one wasn't in a whole lot better.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No, even beyond even beyond what we know like the experiments on people was just inhumane and I'm sure I'm sure there were more fucked up ones that people don't know about.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But to take that and to spin that into a narrative to derail the UFO narrative
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[SPEAKER_01]: it's kind of scummy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's crazy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I had never heard that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I've never heard I'm glad that you hadn't.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Deep formed experiment children,
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, even with all of this going on, the story of Roswell, and I did not know this, the story actually died.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Relatively quickly, goes away.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And if you're anything like me, you didn't realize that the story essentially goes off into a dark corner for quite a long time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It wasn't until 1978.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The story is actually picked up again by Stan T. Friedman, but been tipped off that a retired military man had a unique story for him.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He explained the story was bullshit.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It wasn't a weather balloon.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That was all a stage cover story.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He also said that everyone involved with the retrieval was clear.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The object had indeed been an extraterrestrial spaceship.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's when, at this point, people begin to dig looking deep in the Roswell.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And they start uncovering a bizarre series of events that's to be honest, after spending hours listening to audiobooks and reading as much material as I've been able to get my hands on in a time that I've been allotted, I had no idea this story goes, this hard.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm actually really excited to bring the rest of this information to our community.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm willing to bet that all of us, between all of us, we've heard a lot of the bits and pieces of this story.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But even I am massive fan of the 47 events had no idea that these things happened.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Everyone most likely is probably like me, 1947 since essentially leaked to Area 51 and that's where the wreckage was inevitably taken, you know, it fits this whole UFO narrative to a T. I'm sure a lot of us remember in 1995 a video surface showing an alien autopsy, which Steve is shaking your head.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You most likely know exactly what I'm talking about that was supposedly
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[SPEAKER_00]: However, I would argue that by the end of this, you might, you might change mind a little bit on that video.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I found some interesting information.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now during the 90s, the government under media and public pressure launches investigations into this topic.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Two reports come out, 194 and 197.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Inclusion was that the culprit was indeed high altitude weather balloons, but it had been carrying equipment designed to search the atmosphere for Soviet nuclear tests, Project Mogul.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The other report from the Air Force addresses the bodies.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They said people conflated in 1947 crash with tests in the 1950s, in which anthropomorphic crash test dummies had been dropped to test if efficacy of military parachutes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I saw that in 1947, the FBI also had a classified report on Roswell UFO crashes well.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It explains how a flying disk was recovered in Roswell.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was a hexagonal shape and was suspended from a balloon by cable.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The balloon was 20 feet in diameter.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The object found resembles a high altitude weather balloon with a radar selector.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It also says that the disk and balloon were being transported to right field by special plane for examination.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The page also notes how the national broadcasting company
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[SPEAKER_00]: associated press and others are were attempting to break the story that day.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's funny because, you know, in this FBI document, it says that we did find a disk, but it was actually I do a weather balloon by a cable and it also says how how they word that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This can balloon were being transported to right field by special plane for examination, and as I've been digging around, I found out that it the, but I'm going to say the alien bodies were actually transported by a special plane.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Apparently they used like a, what are they like a B2 or B52 bomber plane to transport the bodies, which was, which was not normal that shouldn't have happened.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Also in 1987, British UFOologist Timothy Good claimed he was given a highly classified government document that states a secret committee of senior U.S. officials called a majestic 12, had investigated and then covered up the 1947 discovery of a crash flying saucer that contained four humanoid bodies.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This document was actually sent to the FBI to see if this was still classified.
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[SPEAKER_00]: mind you, the air force sent this over.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So the document was, well, fake enough that the military sent this for authentic, to be authenticated by the FBI.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And they want, because they, what, they wouldn't even be authenticated.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They were wanting to know, hey, fuck, is this still classified?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Should this be getting out there?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Should we bury this?
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's also interesting the verbiage they use.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If they're trying to tell us that this is one of our balloons that have the nuclear, whatever the fuck, connected to it, why would it need to be sent to write Patterson to be examined?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They should know what the fuck it is.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's, I mean, that's where I'm at.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's not holes in the narrative if for those of you that are just tuned in in a 1947, there's a lot of holes in this narrative.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The FBI said that that document with the majestic 12 that it was all bullshit and it was a bugger's document, no need to proceed close this investigation.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What sounds like sleeping in the fucking rug.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Then you have the GAO report, which is the general accounting office.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And they do an investigation in 1994, Steven H. Sniff, who was a new Mexico congressman initiated an audit and an attempt to locate any government records on the Roswell incident.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They say an extensive search went under way for records that went through classified and unclassified documents, but only going through documents from 1947 to 1950.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They pulled records from organizations in New Mexico and throughout the Department of Defense, also pulling from the FBI, CIA, and the National Security Council.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The GAO Report findings, in 1947,
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[SPEAKER_00]: Army regulations required that air accident reports be maintained permanently, and although none of the military services filed a report on the Roswell incident, there was no requirement in 1947 to prepare a report on the weather balloon crash.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Some records concerning Roswell activities had been destroyed.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There was no information available regarding win or under what authority the records were destroyed.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Only two government records originating in 1947 have been recovered regarding the Roswell incident.
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[SPEAKER_00]: A 1947 FBI record revealed that military had reported that an object resembling a high altitude weather balloon with radar reflector had been recovered near Roswell.
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[SPEAKER_00]: In 1947, Air Force report noted that recovery of a flying disc that was later determined by officials to be a radar tracking balloon.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is the moment you insert project multiple mogul into that picture.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I find the next part interesting and I want everyone to keep a pin in this for another episode because it gets really interesting when you cross these official reports over with the information that I later reveal.
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[SPEAKER_00]: In 1995, Roswell report dealt only with the material recovered from the first report incident near Roswell.
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[SPEAKER_00]: However,
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[SPEAKER_00]: Apparently the decades that followed, more reports of UFOs including two more near Roswell, some of these were rumored to have the bodies we've all heard about.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It says that the bodies were not a part of the original 1947 reports.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So they were not discussed in any air force reports.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It said that retellings of the stories have merged these reports together creating a big false narrative.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I also want to point out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: As I sip through all this information just how many times these separate stories overlap one another.
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[SPEAKER_00]: How many times a story of these stories changes?
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's this or it's that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No, it's one thing and you would have done best to have stuck with that story.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So the Air Force comes out with a Roswell report case closed.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Air Force researchers investigated the reports of alien bodies.
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[SPEAKER_00]: especially after that footage of the alien autopsy at surface that was quote unquote fake.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And almost every case according to them, the stories were proven to be misinterpretations of what actually happened, which were actual operations and tests carried out by the U.S. Air Force in the 1950s.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Check this out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: In some of these cases, the alien bodies were test dummies
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[SPEAKER_00]: that in other accounts, it was actual bodies that were found.
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[SPEAKER_00]: However, it was Air Force personnel who had been injured or killed in the line of duty.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I creatures from outer space.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So there's another insert on the body story.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We have another one where the air, it's almost like every organization is like, oh, I got the cover story.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And they do a cover story.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then the next one goes,
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[SPEAKER_01]: If, if they're, if that's bonkers crazy, if there's one thing that would ignite the United States public more than them being actual alien bodies, it's that our own military is taking US members of the military that were injured in the line of duty and using them as a cover story.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that would have pissed people to fuck off back then.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's crazy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: People would have been fucking livid.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's crazy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And as far as like they're merging all the stories together, blah, blah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Nineteen 47 is arguably the biggest UFO story in the world.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Easily the biggest UFO story in the United States.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If there was another Roswell UFO story,
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[SPEAKER_01]: Three years later on par where they found alien bodies or found bodies, whatever the fuck, why aren't we hearing about 1950 in Roswell?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The fuck out of here.
52:46
[SPEAKER_00]: So I will admit, and everyone is right when they they suggest people are a little crazy over 47.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like in the UFO field for the longest time it was one of the best examples
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[SPEAKER_00]: would still be made a case.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, it still might be the case of this day, but it admittedly so over time, and after being in this field, very heavy for seven years now, you begin to wonder if things are how it all paned out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You start to question the lies and start to untangle as much as we possibly can.
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[SPEAKER_00]: A part of me had heard rumors, and I can't remember exactly where I had heard them from, but it was a it was a compelling enough argument.
53:31
[SPEAKER_00]: For me to begin to thicken guest Roswell, however, I'm back and I'm stronger than ever.
53:41
[SPEAKER_00]: This was in my opinion, a hundred percent of UFO craft.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm going to end this story with a clarification.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's remember a few things.
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[SPEAKER_00]: June 24th, Arnold Siding.
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[SPEAKER_00]: early July, Brazel finds debris, July 8th, flying disk press release, hours later to weather balloon, decades later, mogul explanation.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So officially, balloon, mogul, misidentified debris, confused witnesses, case close, except that's not exactly where Roswell ends, because in the years
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[SPEAKER_00]: about bodies, strange materials, threats, military intimidation, and stories that should not fucking exist.
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[UNKNOWN]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Why would the military intimidate people over a weather balloon?
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[SPEAKER_00]: is like I said the the stories that I'm going to be bringing forth in the next episodes are fucking that's good like I said I did not realize how hard this fucking story goes because again I keep everybody's got to like really think about that shit there are people
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[SPEAKER_00]: because the book that I got this said they interviewed over 600 people directly connected to the 47 incident and there are still people to this day that they tracked down they did the legwork they contacted people they fucking found these people that to this day I don't know what you're talking about I'm not or just flat out say I'm not talking about that
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[SPEAKER_01]: You don't know that these authors aren't, you know, undercover military.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, 100%.
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[SPEAKER_00]: 100%.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's crazy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I love it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I fucking love it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like I said, it like I, man, I just, I almost didn't embarrass that I didn't know Braswell went to sleep.
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[SPEAKER_01]: In, in my defense and I probably speak for you as well.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I haven't really looked into it since I was a little kid.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Same, same, but I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I guess it's just like, it's such a staple case.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You just assume you know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, yeah, like, I don't know, like you're in, if you're in the UFO community or the paranormal, you've no about Roswell.
56:33
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, you think you know about Roswell, but you don't have a fucking clue.
56:37
[SPEAKER_00]: You don't have a fucking clue.
56:39
[SPEAKER_01]: I love that they shouted out in search of and Leonard Nemoy, because that was one of my go-tos.
56:45
[SPEAKER_01]: They'd always rerun, because in search of it was like in the fucking 70s, and they'd rerun it as soon as I got home from school, I can't remember what channel it was on.
56:54
[SPEAKER_01]: But I would watch it, and it would always be something bonkers like that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like an interview about Roswell or the Yeti expedition or some shit.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I was just glued to that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So between that and some mysteries, I was just eating it up.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And like I have so I listened to like it was like a 14 hour audio book and I have so much fucking respect for so many characters in the 47 story because there are dudes that were military side that literally for the entirety of this one guy's life because he was like a big like secret
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[SPEAKER_00]: I can't remember his actual classifications.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But he was a big, like, secret operative type for the military.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He did a lot with, like, espionage and keeping secrets and so on and so forth.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That were trusted with the 47 case.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And to his mother fucking deathbed, he never spoke word, not even to his wife.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because these guys on the book would they would contact him periodically through the years you want to talk Yeah, because you never know you never know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you never know and they were there one time and he left the room and his wife just was like listening guys He's never gonna tell you anything Because he has never told me anything about anything he's ever done in the military He's that trusted.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's hard shit
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[SPEAKER_00]: bro, he and he did he goes because he he made like little tells because I don't remember exactly what it was, but they kind of like call him on the UFO saying and he it's one of them comments I'm not getting it right, but it's one of them where he's just like no, maybe one day you know dick
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[SPEAKER_00]: and he never did, he died and he never once told anybody about what actually fucking happened that stretch of time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then there are other people who were just straight up like petrified for the entire lives, but they're like, fuck it, I'm coming out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There were guys, there was one guy in particular and I don't know if I'm going to read his actual submission because it is like a signed affidavid type thing where the entirety of his and I admire this man so fucking much because it's like reminiscent of you and me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The entire, he's, he was in the military, the entirety of his life.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He promised his friend, essentially, that he would not divulge any information on Roswell, I'm not going to talk about it.
59:47
[SPEAKER_00]: And the only reason he would not talk about it is because his friend had passed away, he promised his friend he would not talk about it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He wanted to talk about loyalty, but he stood true.
1:00:01
[SPEAKER_00]: And so, I guess the guys of the book were like, okay, listen, we respect that.
1:00:08
[SPEAKER_00]: It is what it is.
1:00:10
[SPEAKER_00]: Would you be willing to write out your confession, deal it and it cannot be open until after you die?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's what he ended up doing, because for him in his mind, he kept his promise.
1:00:29
[SPEAKER_00]: While he was alive, he never told a fucking soul about that time.
1:00:35
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, that's so crazy.
1:00:38
[SPEAKER_00]: I think as much as I hate that because I want to know the truth, I think it's so fucking gangster that don't get out there that are just loyal to a fucking hell Man, they don't they don't give a fuck about nothing except the promise they made that day hundred percent Think about this that was odds are that was over 40 mother fucking years ago and they do still still still carry in that No, I ain't saying shit.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't promise homeboy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I ain't doing it.
1:01:05
[SPEAKER_00]: I ain't doing it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I ain't talking.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I ain't saying word
1:01:08
[SPEAKER_00]: And he wanted to.
1:01:09
[SPEAKER_00]: That's what makes it even crazier.
1:01:10
[SPEAKER_00]: He wanted to.
1:01:11
[SPEAKER_00]: He wanted to tell the world about it and he still didn't fucking do it.
1:01:20
[SPEAKER_00]: It's crazy to hear all these witnesses and the paths like the spider web.
1:01:26
[SPEAKER_00]: It goes away from it because the dude, I, I, I really do think that 47, what actually happened was the UFO crash, and it was brand fucking new for our government and the government kind of freaked out.
1:01:40
[SPEAKER_01]: Miss handled it.
1:01:42
[SPEAKER_00]: I think they freaked out and they didn't know what to do with it.
1:01:47
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, they overreacted because I do that.
1:01:49
[SPEAKER_00]: I'll have stories of people who suspiciously died.
1:01:53
[SPEAKER_00]: I have stories of people who find bodies.
1:01:56
[SPEAKER_00]: I have stories of people who worshiped off to other countries and forced marriages.
1:02:02
[SPEAKER_01]: That's fucking punk.
1:02:04
[SPEAKER_00]: It's fucking crazy, dude.
1:02:10
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, they just, and I think that they gauge people, and I think for the, because you can tell people aren't stupid, I can tell if, if Steve is eventually going to tell the story, I know.
1:02:25
[SPEAKER_00]: You know those people, you know those people that you're talking to and they're like, listen, I'm going to kill you if you tell the story and they're like, all right, I won't tell anybody, but you know in the back of their head, in the back of your head, this motherfucker in the next two years is probably going to go fucking tell somebody.
1:02:40
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, sorry, you were shipping you off to Bosnia where you're being forced marriage, forced married to probably a government officer or government type.
1:02:54
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's just it's just a it's such a way different story than I ever anticipated just carrying around a gun Hey, well, you know, by the UFO.
1:03:03
[SPEAKER_01]: That's right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Nothing exactly because you like like the military guy.
1:03:09
[SPEAKER_01]: They they did said nothing said zero zip zilch.
1:03:15
[SPEAKER_01]: If it was weather balloon.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The fuck does it matter the government's right.
1:03:19
[SPEAKER_01]: You mountain said it was a weather balloon just exactly just be like.
1:03:22
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, what you heard was right.
1:03:25
[SPEAKER_00]: exactly and exactly.
1:03:28
[SPEAKER_00]: He would just laugh you and shrug you off every day.
1:03:31
[SPEAKER_00]: He'd just like you're dumb.
1:03:33
[SPEAKER_00]: It was a fucking balloon dude.
1:03:34
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, I don't know what you want me to do here.
1:03:36
[SPEAKER_00]: They didn't even do that.
1:03:37
[SPEAKER_00]: He just would just stay neutral and all that.
1:03:40
[SPEAKER_00]: He just wouldn't say anything.
1:03:41
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, what a what a hard-ass position to be into.
1:03:47
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, like you can confirm or deny either either route.
1:03:53
[SPEAKER_01]: You know?
1:03:53
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and he's just like nah.
1:03:57
[SPEAKER_00]: And there was one.
1:03:58
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if that I'll find it because it's just such a quick little blurb.
1:04:03
[SPEAKER_00]: But these guys were looking in, you know, these guys who essentially wrote the book.
1:04:08
[SPEAKER_00]: They were talking to somebody at camera who was.
1:04:12
[SPEAKER_00]: but it was like the guy was military.
1:04:15
[SPEAKER_00]: I think he was a general or something.
1:04:17
[SPEAKER_00]: And he flat out tells him, because it's like these guys, persistence, they're aura, they're questioning, they're everything.
1:04:27
[SPEAKER_00]: He literally just goes listen, boys.
1:04:31
[SPEAKER_00]: Whatever you find, if it involves national security, please keep it to yourself.
1:04:41
[SPEAKER_00]: because it is like he knew he knew they were going to find the truth.
1:04:44
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, not if you find it, if it jeopardizes, if it jeopardizes national security or something to that effect like, hey, if it's going to be dangerous for America, I'm asking you as a favor, keep to yourself.
1:04:57
[SPEAKER_00]: Which is what they still do now.
1:05:00
[SPEAKER_01]: Remember when the drones were big, it was all national national security stuff, national security stuff, national security stuff.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah.
1:05:04
[SPEAKER_01]: You can't release it because national security.
1:05:06
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
1:05:07
[SPEAKER_01]: It's their, it's their blanket statement to anonymity.
1:05:11
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and I also like I also respect that general for his stance, too, because that was a different era of time where I feel like people were, I feel like the people were extremely proud to be Americans.
1:05:26
[SPEAKER_00]: Like they they wore that with like a, that was a badge of honor to them.
1:05:30
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah.
1:05:31
[SPEAKER_00]: And the United States military and protect the world.
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[SPEAKER_00]: A big thing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That was a big thing.
1:05:37
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you know, and so I respect those types of people that really do stand by their their their values and stuff like it.
1:05:43
[SPEAKER_00]: It always rings with me.
1:05:46
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm stoked to get into these next few.
1:05:49
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's going to be good.
1:05:51
[SPEAKER_00]: It's going to be good.
1:05:52
[SPEAKER_00]: I can guarantee that it's going to because it.
1:05:55
[SPEAKER_00]: I guess that is literally the best information I've ever had on the Roswell incident was the most entertaining, everything about it, if you want to jump to gun get the fucking book or get the audio book, it's worth it, it's 100% worth it if you love the 47 Roswell incident.
1:06:13
[SPEAKER_00]: I got the book on the shelf, but it's good, it's good, definitely worth it, I think.
1:06:21
[SPEAKER_01]: I was trying to see whoever wrote it, but I can't read that far because my eyes don't work good, but, um, yeah, hell yeah, excited for the next few, we're gonna call it here, holocolt, so as you heard, make sure if this is, if this is tickled your fancy, this is what your taste buds, make sure you check in to the next one or two episodes, because it's not to get spicy, not to get spicy, not to get spicy,
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[SPEAKER_01]: We appreciate y'all being here with us.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Again, I hope everybody has a good work week.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Thanks for choosing us to entertain you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And until we meet again, today's safe.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Stay weird.
1:07:05
[SPEAKER_01]: And remember, it's just a balloon.
1:07:09
[SPEAKER_01]: Or a Soviet UFO filled with mutated experimental children.