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#084_ STORY INSPIRE: How to Break Free From the Debt Trap — · INSPIRE STORY

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  Speaker 1: The Joe Rogan Experience.
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  Speaker 2: Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. Hey.
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  Speaker 3: Hey, what's up, brother?
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  Speaker 2: What's up, man? Good to see you. What's going on?
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  Speaker 2: This is a good time for you to come in, man,
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  Speaker 2: right after this weekend.
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  Speaker 3: Holy shit. Pretty good time, brother.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, everybody's talking about the Sean Strickland-Hamsa fight and
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  Speaker 2: the debate, but before we even talk about that, bro,
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  Speaker 2: how fucking good is Joshua Vann? And he's only been
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  Speaker 2: fighting about five years.
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  Speaker 3: That's what's scary.
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  Speaker 2: Crazy.
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  Speaker 3: Five years.
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  Speaker 2: Crazy. And he has some holes, for.
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  Speaker 3: Sure, that certain guys are going to expose.
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  Speaker 2: He's not the best on the ground. He's also 24.
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  Speaker 2: He's also 24.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Crazy athlete. But his fucking boxing, it might be the
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  Speaker 2: best in the UFC. It's up there. It's up there.
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  Speaker 2: Him or Ilya. Yeah. Well, Ilya. The thing about Ilya
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  Speaker 2: is Ilya is one punch, night-night. That's the difference.
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  Speaker 3: It's tough at flyweight to be a knockout artist. But
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  Speaker 3: then also Josh.
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  Speaker 2: David Davison, Figueredo. True. True. He was starching people.
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  Speaker 3: He was. But with Josh too, again, he's 24. But
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  Speaker 3: in Tutsi or Tyra, he also just was blocking punches
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  Speaker 3: with his face.
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  Speaker 2: Well.
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  Speaker 3: That's the other thing.
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  Speaker 2: Like his defense was so bad. I think it was
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  Speaker 2: that Joshua Vann's offense was so good. You know what?
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  Speaker 2: I think it's a combo of both. Yeah. It's a
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  Speaker 2: combo of both.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: For sure. Because Tyra is primarily a grappler. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: he's obviously a mixed martial arts fighter and he did strike.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, that's why he didn't completely get blown out
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  Speaker 2: of the water. He did strike pretty well. It's just
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  Speaker 2: the counters came so clean, so sharp. Like I rewatched
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  Speaker 2: some of it today and I was like, good Lord,
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  Speaker 2: that's pretty. So good. He looks so good. And again, 24. And,
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  Speaker 2: you know, it took all the stink off of the
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  Speaker 2: way he won the title. Yeah, but not me.
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  Speaker 3: I'm sure not you. But there's a lot of questions
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  Speaker 3: that haven't been answered.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, for sure. Because Pantoja's a motherfucker. Pantoja's a straight
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  Speaker 2: up assassin.
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  Speaker 3: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: How would he do against Pantoja? Hey, man. But again.
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  Speaker 2: His stock went up after this fight. I'll tell you that. Look,
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  Speaker 2: it was always up, right? But Tyra was a real threat.
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  Speaker 2: Tyra got him on the ground. Wasn't able to submit him.
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  Speaker 2: Joshua Vange paced him up on the feet, man.
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  Speaker 3: But again, at 24, so let's say they do the
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  Speaker 3: Pantoja rematch, whatever, Q4, and let's say Pantoja gets that win.
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  Speaker 2: All good? He's 24.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 2: He's going to be your champ for a very long time.
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  Speaker 2: And how old is Alexandre Pantoja at this point? Not young.
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  Speaker 2: In flyweight years, he's 67.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, flyweight's tough.
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  Speaker 2: 36. 36. Yeah, that's tough.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: That's tough. If he was a middleweight, you'd be like, hmm.
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  Speaker 2: That's the beginning of the slide. Right? That's the beginning
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  Speaker 2: of the slide. Yeah. For welterweight, you're like, ooh. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: But at flyweight. Oh, bro. It's crazy.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Heavyweight is like, oh, he's in his prime.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, we're cooking it.
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  Speaker 2: Look at Francis. Yeah. Francis is like 38 or something.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Is he 38?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Francis is in his fucking prime. Nobody looks at Francis
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  Speaker 2: and goes, oh, he's over the hill. Oh, never.
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  Speaker 1: Not at all. No.
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  Speaker 3: There's some old cats at heavyweight doing the damn thing,
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  Speaker 3: especially now. The heavyweight divisions.
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  Speaker 2: How old's Volkov?
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  Speaker 3: Honestly, I don't think he's as old as you think
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  Speaker 3: he is.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: He was a Bellator champion, M1 champion. He was a
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  Speaker 2: Bellator champion in the early days of Bellator.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And remember he had in Bellator.
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  Speaker 3: And then when he first got the UFC, he had
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  Speaker 3: that Moana tattoo on his back.
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  Speaker 2: He had the sting, right? And he changed it into
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  Speaker 2: that Japanese mask.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I like this.
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  Speaker 3: The new one looks dope. The new one looks dope.
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  Speaker 2: It's so dope.
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  Speaker 3: I like to think I'm the one that kind of
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  Speaker 3: bullied him into doing that because it's all I ever
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  Speaker 3: talked about for like six years when he fought. Oh, no.
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  Speaker 3: And he comes out with just this dope-ass samurai tattoo.
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, yeah, there it is. Well, sometimes you realize, like,
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  Speaker 2: this ain't making it. I got to fix this. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: especially that.
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  Speaker 3: People are like, bro, why do you have a fucking
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  Speaker 3: stingray on your back?
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  Speaker 2: Bro, speaking of tattoos, how many tattoos does Sean Brady have?
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  Speaker 2: That motherfucker's feet are tattooed. Bro. Like, his entire body's tattooed.
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  Speaker 2: How good did he look? Phenomenal.
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  Speaker 3: Phenomenal. I always get stressed out because everyone's asking for
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  Speaker 3: betting picks before the fights. MMA's tough, dude.
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  Speaker 2: MMA's tough to fucking pick.
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  Speaker 3: So with the Joaquin Buckley fight, the reason I told
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  Speaker 3: my brother, I'm like, literally put your mortgage on Sean Brady.
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  Speaker 3: Because Joaquin Buckley did an interview like a week before.
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  Speaker 3: He's like, I'm not even working on grappling. I'm not
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  Speaker 3: wrestling or grappling. I'm just going to keep this thing
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  Speaker 3: standing and knock this motherfucker out.
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  Speaker 2: I was like, oh, buddy. No way. He really said that? Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: you can find it out there, Jimmy. But that could
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  Speaker 2: have been just a bullshit tactic to try to get
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  Speaker 2: Sean Brady. Because Sean Brady probably saw that interview, too. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: and was like, cool, say less.
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  Speaker 3: I know, but I mean— Ten, seven rounds?
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  Speaker 2: Three of them? I know. It was nuts. But I mean,
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  Speaker 2: you could say that— I hear you. If you were
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  Speaker 2: just playing mental games. I get you. But maybe he
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  Speaker 2: actually did that. And it appeared so. Well, hard to say,
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  Speaker 2: because that's how good Sean Brady is.
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  Speaker 3: Hard to say. It's just tough when you lose like that.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 3: Because you go back to the locker room and you're like, fuck,
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  Speaker 3: we're not even in the same— No. Like I'm– what
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  Speaker 3: am I going to do? You look at your coaching
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  Speaker 3: staff and you go, what are we going to do?
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  Speaker 3: I thought I was a top five guy. I just
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  Speaker 3: got beat 10-6, three rounds in a row.
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  Speaker 2: Okay. I was going to bring this up. So I
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  Speaker 2: have some insight to this. So there was a very
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  Speaker 2: strange betting behavior. It says it turns out to be meaningless.
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  Speaker 2: BetOnline cited abnormal betting patterns as Buckley moved from– Plus
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  Speaker 2: 150 underdog to minus 220 favorite before the fight. So
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  Speaker 2: this is what happened. There was money that moved very
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  Speaker 2: quickly before the fight. And the UFC, obviously, because they've
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  Speaker 2: been through this shit with the guys fixing fights and
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  Speaker 2: the FBI investigated it, they got concerned. And so I
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  Speaker 2: believe what happened is they minimized the amount that you
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  Speaker 2: could bet online. So you couldn't bet big money anymore.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know what the– let's find out what the
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  Speaker 2: cap they put on it was. But then you they
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  Speaker 2: were going to go ahead with the fight, but they
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  Speaker 2: wanted to make sure that Sean Brady wasn't injured. So
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  Speaker 2: this was the fear. The fear was that some inside
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  Speaker 2: camp word got out, Sean Brady's got an injury, and
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  Speaker 2: then all the money jumps up. Because a lot of
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  Speaker 2: times that's what happens.
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  Speaker 3: But they did it right because before they would just
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  Speaker 3: cancel the fight.
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  Speaker 2: Like, we don't know what's going on here. We're just
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  Speaker 2: going to cancel the fight. No, just take the fight
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  Speaker 2: off the betting sites. Well, they only did that one time.
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  Speaker 2: They did that one time with Alexander Hernandez. I don't
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  Speaker 2: remember who he was fighting. I don't remember who Alexander
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  Speaker 2: Hernandez was fighting. But they did that with that fight.
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  Speaker 2: And I thought that was really crazy. They asked Alexander, like,
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  Speaker 2: are you okay? He's like, I'm fine. Like, I am
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  Speaker 2: planning on winning this fight. But for some reason, he
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  Speaker 2: became an underdog. Nothing came out from it either. No.
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  Speaker 3: Like, I wish they'd be a little more transparent. Like, okay,
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  Speaker 3: we looked into it. It's our bat, this, you know.
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  Speaker 3: But they just canceled the fight.
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  Speaker 2: And so everyone, now we just assume. Something happened. Something happened.
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  Speaker 2: Somebody's being dirty. Yeah, but then Hernandez fought again and
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  Speaker 2: lost his next fight. Fuck, who did he fight? He
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  Speaker 2: fought someone on a fight night. It was a very
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  Speaker 2: good fight. Very close fight. The dude was very good.
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  Speaker 2: But I'm glad they're not just pulling the fight. Oh,
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  Speaker 2: Michael Johnson. That's right. It was supposed to be Michael Johnson.
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  Speaker 1: Yep.
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  Speaker 2: But they didn't. have that fight, and then who did
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  Speaker 2: he fight next instead? So let's just go over this
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  Speaker 2: real quick before we figure out who he fought. It
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  Speaker 2: made suspicious betting movement. So what is suspicious betting movement?
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  Speaker 2: Like what if you and your boys all go, fuck it,
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  Speaker 2: I'm going all in, and you just decide to bet $ 100, 000
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  Speaker 2: on Buckley? Will that change it that dramatically? I think
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  Speaker 2: we're talking millions.
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  Speaker 1: According to this, I think it's that they had certain–
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  Speaker 1: I think they have certain accounts that they knew– Oh,
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  Speaker 1: were shady? Not shady, but, I mean, there might be
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  Speaker 1: particular whales or whatever that are certain bettors that always
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  Speaker 1: were betting, you know, $ 200, 000 a fight or whatever, and
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  Speaker 1: maybe one or two of them changed.
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  Speaker 2: Gross.
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  Speaker 3: Two of the judges scored that fight 30-25.
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  Speaker 1: Abnormal betting patterns from highly monitored accounts.
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  Speaker 2: Interesting. Highly monitored accounts is interesting.
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  Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.
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  Speaker 2: Bro, you better get a new account.
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  Speaker 3: Figure it out.
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  Speaker 2: They're on to you, bitch.
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  Speaker 1: They also said that they called Sean Brady to hear
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  Speaker 1: at the bottom. I was going to point out. Someone
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  Speaker 1: called him to let him know, and he's like, well,
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  Speaker 1: I'm fine.
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  Speaker 2: I love it. He goes, I'm going to beat the
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  Speaker 2: shit out of this guy. What are you talking about?
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  Speaker 2: And they're like, yeah, you're good to go. I think
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  Speaker 2: that's what Alexander Hernandez said, too. That's a bummer. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: it is a bummer. But you can also.
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  Speaker 3: Understand from the UFC standpoint, because when it happened, especially
• 8:49
  Speaker 3: then— They're.
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  Speaker 2: Like, whoa, whoa, whoa. Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Whoa, whoa.
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  Speaker 2: No, they're in a bad spot right now with that
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  Speaker 2: because until that gets resolved, look, the fight game has
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  Speaker 2: always been connected to fucking shady people.
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  Speaker 1: Always.
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  Speaker 2: That's the Marlon Brando movie on the waterfront. Always. I
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  Speaker 2: could have been a contender.
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  Speaker 3: Yep.
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  Speaker 2: You know?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: That's who he lost to. Oh, that's right. Hoffa Garcia.
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  Speaker 2: Very good fight. Very good fight. Hoffa did a phenomenal job.
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  Speaker 3: But I think, too, back to the betting, I think
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  Speaker 3: that's also a reason why now more than ever fighters
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  Speaker 3: are getting so much hate. Because if you have a
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  Speaker 3: 9 to 5 and you make $ 1, 000 a week and
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  Speaker 3: you put $ 500 on, say, Hamzat and he loses that $ 500,
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  Speaker 3: that's why it's so toxic now. Because, yeah, your guy's losing,
• 9:36
  Speaker 3: but now it's costing you money. So I think that's
• 9:39
  Speaker 3: why fighters gain so much more hate these days than
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  Speaker 3: they did even when I was fighting.
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  Speaker 2: Betting wasn't a big thing. No, I think you're absolutely right.
• 9:44
  Speaker 2: I think it's Rafa Garcia. Is it Rafa or Rafa?
• 9:47
  Speaker 2: Why am I saying it wrong? I feel like it's Rafa.
• 9:49
  Speaker 2: I think so too. I think I want Brazilian on me.
• 9:51
  Speaker 2: I get it. Yeah, you made a real good point
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  Speaker 2: about the betting because that's why people are getting so
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  Speaker 2: upset because they are betting money on it. It's a
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  Speaker 2: big problem. with some people. With some people, the ability
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  Speaker 2: to just bet on anything anytime you want. And now
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  Speaker 2: it's like a polymarket and all these different things. You
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  Speaker 2: could bet on, you know, fucking anything. Anything.
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  Speaker 3: Anything.
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  Speaker 2: How about that fucking soldier that got busted?
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  Speaker 3: Big move. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: He bet that Maduro was going to get kidnapped.
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  Speaker 3: Dude, if you don't. But my thing is, it's like
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  Speaker 3: the Pete Rose thing. At least Pete Rose is betting
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  Speaker 3: on his team to win.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 3: This dude was betting on his fucking team to win.
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  Speaker 2: Right. Don't discipline him. If you don't think Trump's.
• 10:32
  Speaker 3: Giving him a pardon, you're at your goddamn mind.
• 10:34
  Speaker 2: Well.
• 10:35
  Speaker 3: That guy's awesome.
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  Speaker 2: That's a weird one. That's a weird one. But I mean,
• 10:40
  Speaker 2: why is that bad? But the insider trading in Congress
• 10:43
  Speaker 2: goes unchecked. Oh, my God. Like that. Bro. That's crazy. Like,
• 10:48
  Speaker 2: if you get mad at that, people, what a hypocrite.
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  Speaker 2: You're also dealing with a special forces guy who, it's not.
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  Speaker 3: Like they're compensated that great. And he was like, oh,
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  Speaker 3: I'm going to bet the house that we fucking get
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  Speaker 3: this idiot.
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  Speaker 2: Right. And by the way, he's betting on himself because
• 11:02
  Speaker 2: it didn't have to happen. That's what I'm saying. It
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  Speaker 2: didn't have to work. They could have all got killed.
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  Speaker 2: It's like Pete Rose, too.
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  Speaker 3: It's like, keep him in the Hall of Fame.
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  Speaker 2: I think they're going to let him in now that
• 11:08
  Speaker 2: he died. Oh, great.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, cool.
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  Speaker 2: That helps. Thank you.
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  Speaker 3: But it's also like, he never bet.
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  Speaker 2: Against his team. It's pretty gangster. I don't know if
• 11:16
  Speaker 2: that's true.
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  Speaker 3: I'm pretty sure.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: Jamie, look that shit up.
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  Speaker 2: I read something online that he might have been against
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  Speaker 2: his team at least on one game. I don't know
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  Speaker 2: if that's true, though. I'm rooting for Pete Rose. But
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  Speaker 2: I just read something. I mean, there might have been
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  Speaker 2: a Pete Rose hater.
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  Speaker 3: That's what I thought. That's what I heard.
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  Speaker 2: If he only bet for his team, I feel like
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  Speaker 2: that should be legal. That's what I'm saying. That's like
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  Speaker 2: the special forces guy. What, are you trying to win harder?
• 11:40
  Speaker 2: You're trying to win harder because you want money?
• 11:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: That would be good.
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  Speaker 3: The Special Forces guy, like, dude, you're really into this.
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  Speaker 3: Fuck yeah, dude.
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  Speaker 2: I got a million.
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  Speaker 3: Bucks right on this.
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  Speaker 2: No confirmed evidence has ever been produced that Pete Rose
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  Speaker 2: bet against his own team. There you go. The Cincinnati Reds,
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  Speaker 2: though there's some speculation. All official speculation. I must have
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  Speaker 2: read speculation. I mean, what the fuck? You say a
• 12:05
  Speaker 2: person who believes Pete Rose probably bet against the Reds
• 12:08
  Speaker 2: at some point, John Dowd said. But even he has
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  Speaker 2: acknowledged that his investigation did not produce conclusive proof of
• 12:16
  Speaker 2: such bets. So I feel like you should be able
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  Speaker 2: to bet on yourself as a fighter. I feel like
• 12:21
  Speaker 2: you should be able to bet on yourself as a
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  Speaker 2: baseball player. Why not? Why not? You're just betting to win. Now,
• 12:27
  Speaker 2: betting to lose. Different story. Different story. So if you're
• 12:31
  Speaker 2: just saying– is that because you can't tell them how
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  Speaker 2: to bet? Like, if you're going to let them bet,
• 12:37
  Speaker 2: they have to be able to bet on whatever they want. Like, man,
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  Speaker 2: I don't know if I'm going to win this fight. Man,
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  Speaker 2: I'm not feeling great. I'm going to try, but I
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  Speaker 2: think I might lose. So let me just see if
• 12:46
  Speaker 2: I can make a little extra money just in case
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  Speaker 2: I lose. Say, well, I tried my hardest. I lost,
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  Speaker 2: but still made some money. Made some money.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's good.
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  Speaker 1: That's good.
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  Speaker 2: It just opens a can of worms you don't want
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  Speaker 2: to deal with.
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  Speaker 3: Nobody's bet. Right.
• 12:57
  Speaker 2: Because then what if you won? You're like, I won. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: but I lost money because I fucking bet against myself
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  Speaker 2: like an idiot.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. Right?
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  Speaker 2: You made no money this fight. You'd have to be
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  Speaker 2: a fucking psycho to try to win knowing it's going
• 13:11
  Speaker 2: to cost you money. Like your whole camp, paying your
• 13:14
  Speaker 2: fucking trainers, your manager, everything.
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  Speaker 3: Fucking nightmares. What's like the Hamzat-Strickland fight? You and I,
• 13:20
  Speaker 3: right when that fight got announced, we texted each other
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  Speaker 3: and I went, good fight. Good fight.
• 13:24
  Speaker 2: I know everyone's going to, you know, Hamzat's a big favorite,
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  Speaker 2: but we both went, I don't know, man. I can
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  Speaker 2: see it. I was nut riding for Strickland the whole time.
• 13:32
  Speaker 2: I was like, that guy is the fucking captain of
• 13:35
  Speaker 2: the deep water. He knows how to go into deep water, man.
• 13:38
  Speaker 2: And he knows how to survive. He can survive. And
• 13:41
  Speaker 2: the thing about Hamzat is if he takes you down,
• 13:44
  Speaker 2: he wants to hold you down and just beat on
• 13:46
  Speaker 2: you and not expand a lot of energy like he
• 13:49
  Speaker 2: did with Drekus. That's an issue. You can't do that
• 13:51
  Speaker 2: with Sean. Sean is not going to sit still. He's
• 13:53
  Speaker 2: very hard to hold down. He's got super underrated grappling,
• 13:57
  Speaker 2: super underrated. You know, we saw he almost threw Hamzat
• 14:00
  Speaker 2: like later in the fight, you know, and he did
• 14:03
  Speaker 2: wind up on top multiple times. Like it's… He ain't
• 14:07
  Speaker 2: easy for anybody. Far from it. And he had a
• 14:10
  Speaker 2: blown out shoulder.
• 14:12
  Speaker 1: Boom.
• 14:12
  Speaker 2: That's the other thing.
• 14:13
  Speaker 3: Everyone's like, well, Hamzat was compromised because the weight cut.
• 14:16
  Speaker 3: It's like, well, hold on.
• 14:17
  Speaker 2: Sean had one arm.
• 14:18
  Speaker 3: Sean had one fucking arm. And when he did throw
• 14:20
  Speaker 3: that right hand in that second round, he wobbled Hamzat.
• 14:23
  Speaker 3: No one wants to talk about that. The most significant
• 14:25
  Speaker 3: punch was in the second round. Yeah.
• 14:26
  Speaker 2: He flash knocks out Hamza.
• 14:27
  Speaker 3: And Hamza's like, oh, shit.
• 14:28
  Speaker 2: And he probably fucking jolted his shoulder with pain. And
• 14:31
  Speaker 2: still defended. I noticed he was doing this at the
• 14:33
  Speaker 2: beginning of the fight. Before the fight started, he was
• 14:37
  Speaker 2: doing this with his arm. So he's warming up. He's
• 14:39
  Speaker 2: doing this. And he keeps doing this. But he kept
• 14:40
  Speaker 2: doing this with his right arm. I'm like, ooh, that's
• 14:42
  Speaker 2: what I do if my shoulders hurt.
• 14:44
  Speaker 1: Boom.
• 14:44
  Speaker 2: To see how hurt it is.
• 14:45
  Speaker 1: Yep.
• 14:46
  Speaker 2: How does it feel? Feel the range. Yeah. How does
• 14:48
  Speaker 2: it feel? And he was only going to here. He
• 14:50
  Speaker 2: was only going to here. He kept doing it. Deadpan
• 14:53
  Speaker 2: killer look on his face.
• 14:54
  Speaker 3: That motherfucker still won.
• 14:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 14:56
  Speaker 3: Still won. Here's my thing about it.
• 14:57
  Speaker 2: Still fought. A lot of guys would have pulled out.
• 15:00
  Speaker 2: A lot of guys would have said, I can't use
• 15:02
  Speaker 2: my arm. I'm pulling out.
• 15:03
  Speaker 3: Especially for that magnitude of a fight. I think with Strickland, too,
• 15:07
  Speaker 3: now that he won, people are like, oh, is he
• 15:08
  Speaker 3: a Hall of Famer?
• 15:09
  Speaker 2: 1,000%. 100%.
• 15:09
  Speaker 3: 100% he's a Hall of Famer. My thing with Strickland, too,
• 15:13
  Speaker 3: it's like he's going to be a bigger star now
• 15:16
  Speaker 3: more than ever. I think that fight is the one
• 15:17
  Speaker 3: that put him even bigger. Yeah. The thing about Strickland
• 15:21
  Speaker 3: is he's the guy that's not.
• 15:23
  Speaker 2: Supposed to be here.
• 15:25
  Speaker 3: Like everyone, when we talk about, you know, Chechnyans or
• 15:27
  Speaker 3: Dagestanians or wherever these war-torn countries are from, and they're like,
• 15:31
  Speaker 3: this is the only way they made it out. Dude,
• 15:33
  Speaker 3: Strickland grew up a poor white kid in America.
• 15:37
  Speaker 2: Disenfranchised.
• 15:38
  Speaker 3: Dude had an abusive father. The odds are so against Strickland.
• 15:43
  Speaker 3: So against Strickland. And this motherfucker beat arguably the best
• 15:48
  Speaker 3: striker in the weight division of all time. beat him
• 15:51
  Speaker 3: at striking at fucking striking in Australia and then they
• 15:55
  Speaker 3: give him arguably the best grappler of all time in
• 15:58
  Speaker 3: the middleweight division and he beats him so he all
• 16:02
  Speaker 3: of you listening all you guys are closer to Sean
• 16:05
  Speaker 3: Strickland than you are to LeBron James or Patrick Mahomes
• 16:08
  Speaker 3: he's just a tough white kid who trains his ass
• 16:12
  Speaker 3: off he's a blue collar guy he doesn't run a
• 16:14
  Speaker 3: 40 in a 4-4 he doesn't have a 40 inch vertical.
• 16:16
  Speaker 2: He's got one bad leg From a motorcycle accident. It
• 16:21
  Speaker 2: almost ruined his whole career.
• 16:22
  Speaker 3: I get chills talking about it. Dude, he's that blue-collar
• 16:26
  Speaker 3: guy through hard fucking work, is a Hall of Famer,
• 16:30
  Speaker 3: bona fide Hall of Famer, and beat two of the
• 16:32
  Speaker 3: greatest middleweights of all time. In all his fights, he's
• 16:36
  Speaker 3: an underdog.
• 16:37
  Speaker 2: Fluffy, underdog.
• 16:38
  Speaker 3: DDP, underdog. Granted, he lost, but I thought he won
• 16:40
  Speaker 3: that first fight. Hamza, massive underdog. Izzy, massive underdog.
• 16:44
  Speaker 2: Second fight with DDP, he fucked his shoulder up, too.
• 16:47
  Speaker 2: Driving a dirt bike like a fucking psychopath. Crazy. Crashed
• 16:50
  Speaker 2: his dirt bike, fucked his shoulder up, and they told
• 16:53
  Speaker 2: him he had a fight. So he had to take
• 16:55
  Speaker 2: the fight. So he had to take the fight with
• 16:56
  Speaker 2: a fucked up shoulder. And one of the things you
• 16:58
  Speaker 2: notice about when he's throwing right hands, in particular in
• 17:02
  Speaker 2: this fight, I noticed they were awkward sometimes. Sometimes they
• 17:06
  Speaker 2: just looked weird. Like he was trying not to use
• 17:09
  Speaker 2: his shoulder or something. He was compromised. Yes, 100%. And
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: I saw some of that in the second DDP fight.
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: You know, where it looked like he was kind of
• 17:19
  Speaker 2: throwing his punches weird, you know, which sometimes he does
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: anyway because he goes around the guard. It's awkward. It's strategic. Yeah.
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: He's throwing shit that you're not going to block correctly
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: and then he's going to land you clean shots. But
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: when you see him when there's nothing wrong with him,
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: like he had this giant break. cause he punched somebody
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: and some fucking low level promotion. Oh, that's right. Yeah. Yeah.
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: So they gave him like a eight month suspension, something
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: like that. Six months suspension, whatever it was. Um, So
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: you see him against Hernandez where he's perfect and he
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: looks fucking phenomenal. Best I've ever seen. His striking looked phenomenal.
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: Everything looked phenomenal. And I'm like, oh God, he looks
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: like a better version of the guy who beat Izzy.
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: He looked better. Best we've ever seen. And then he
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: beats Hamza with one shoulder. This episode is brought to
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• 19:11
  Speaker 2: if you count them out based on that fight where
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: you– I thought Hamzat won. A lot of people did. Look,
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: it's– a lot of people that know fighting thought Hamzat won.
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: There's a lot– I think it's split among journalists. I
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: think I was reading something.
• 19:23
  Speaker 3: I don't really read anything, by the way.
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: I really read the headlines and then I move on.
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: You have to be careful with journalists.
• 19:31
  Speaker 3: I'll listen to former fighters or people that have been
• 19:34
  Speaker 3: around the game a long, long time.
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: If you have Hamzat winning, yeah, okay.
• 19:39
  Speaker 3: Nobody was robbed. I can give you a pretty good
• 19:42
  Speaker 3: argument why Strickland won that fight.
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: Yes. I can give you a damn good argument. I
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: think he won the fight. I was talking to him
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: inside the Octagon before the fight. I said, what do
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: you think? And I said, it was really close. It
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: was really close. Because you really never know with judging.
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: We've both seen fights where we were sure that one
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: guy won and the other guy gets it from the judge.
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: So you don't know. In my opinion, I would have
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: to go over it and watch it again because when
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: I call fights, I'm just calling them. It's tough. I'm
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: not really scoring them. Super tough. It's weird because what
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: you're trying to do is make— some entertainment out of
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: moments and put some weight to it and express maybe
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: to people that don't know exactly what's going on.
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: You're also listening to your other partners in the booth.
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: Well, DC's great at that. DC's the best at explaining
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: shit to people that don't know what's going on when
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: it comes to like wrestling in particular because he's such a,
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: Elite wrestler. And there was a lot of wrestling moments
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: in that. So like that's what you're doing. So you're
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: not really judging the fight. If you're judging, you'd be silent.
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: Like Eddie Bravo used to judge fights unofficially for the
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: UFC in the early days. And what Eddie would do
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: is he would write– he would have a piece of
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: paper and draw a line down the middle for each guy.
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: And then he would have categories. Strikes landed, kicks landed,
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: punches landed, takedowns, submission attempts. He would mark all these
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: different things. Like, every time something would happen, he would
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: mark it down. And then he would also go by
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: who landed the most damage. And he was really good
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: at it. Like, he was very accurate in terms of, like,
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: I never disagreed with him. I was like, that makes sense.
• 21:11
  Speaker 3: But if your intention is to score the fight, like,
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: you don't have to be entertaining and do the commentating,
• 21:15
  Speaker 3: I can do that. It's like I do commentate for
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: a game bread, and there's a fight, fight of the night.
• 21:21
  Speaker 3: And Jimmy Smith is going, who do you think won?
• 21:23
  Speaker 3: I said, dude, this isn't the time to ask because
• 21:26
  Speaker 3: I was entertained by the fight. We're doing our thing.
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: Right, right, right. I'll go home and watch it.
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: I'll let you know exactly who won.
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: Right. It's such a close fight. I don't know, dude.
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: Especially wars. Especially a crazy war. It's so hard to
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: figure out who won. Some wars, like, let's, you know,
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: think of, like, what if Tyra and Joshua Vann had
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: made it to the end?
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: That's a tough one.
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: That's a tough one. I mean, Joshua Vann definitely did
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: more damage, 100%. Which is the number one thing they—
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: are supposed to judge it up so I would judge
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: that in favor we had a conversation about the Gomez
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: fight who was Gomez fighting Pat Sabatini so Pat Sabatini
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: was fighting Gomez and all Pat Sabatini did was clinch
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: him and try to take him down took him down
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: a couple times but when they were standing up Gomez,
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: Pat landed a few strikes definitely, it wasn't like he
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: was completely outclassed on the feet but Gomez landed more
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: So I'm like, OK, I know Pat spent the majority
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: of the fight in control, the majority of the fight clinching,
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: the majority of the fight working towards the takedown. But
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: it was unsuccessful for the most part. Gomez bounced back
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: up to his feet every time, never took any damage
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: on the ground, never got close to being submitted. And
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: then when they stood up, Gomez was the one who
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: was going after him landing strikes. I don't know if
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: it was enough to win though, because it's like, there
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: wasn't a lot of damage. It wasn't like he hit
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: Pat and Pat got rocked and Pat went down and
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: there was none of that. But Gomez was doing better
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: in the standup, which when it comes to damage, that
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: was the only damage of the fight.
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: But the other thing you got to take into consideration,
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: it's like, I love DC, he's one of my favorites,
• 23:04
  Speaker 3: but DC has an extensive wrestling background. So he's usually
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: going to, not that he means to, but because he
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: has such an extensive wrestling background, If you listen to
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: Kamaru Usman, Henry Cejudo, most of them will score that
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: fight for Hamza because of the wrestling involved. But if
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: you talk to someone else who doesn't have a wrestling
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: background or it's more of a striking background, most of
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: them score it for Strickland. So you always got to–
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: I take it with a little bit of grain of
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: salt when those guys– heavy wrestlers, if there's wrestling but
• 23:32
  Speaker 3: they weren't successful, like takedowns were successful, they're like, that's
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: a takedown. But he didn't do shit with it though, man.
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: There's also the Strickland factor. There's a lot of people
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: that he rubs the wrong way.
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: Boom.
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: And they don't want him to win because of the
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: wild shit that he says offstage. Listen, sometimes he goes
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: too far. He said he went too far. He apologized
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: for going too far. But God damn, did he sell
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: some tickets?
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: I like what you said. You said, don't apologize. You're
• 23:57
  Speaker 3: selling a fight.
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah. That's my thing, too.
• 23:59
  Speaker 3: It's like, whoa, no, no, don't apologize. Don't apologize for
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: any of that. Because on Monday, I was so excited
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: to get in the studio. I was so excited. I
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: felt like for the first time in a long time,
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: the UFC's back. I felt back, man.
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: You really think the UFC has gone away?
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: No, no.
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: No, I'm not saying that. What do you mean by that?
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: Don't get to it. I'm saying as far as like
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: Conor Khabib, like bad blood.
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: Big time. Couldn't wait.
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: Like I, dude, I was tech, day before I'm tech, dude,
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: I can't fucking wait. It was like I was so
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: hyped for this fucking fight, dude.
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: It just felt like, you know, those Conor Day, Khabib days,
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: those are over. But this one, the magnitude of it,
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: and I usually can tell when a fight's going to
• 24:42
  Speaker 3: be really big. Cause I'm always at baseball fields and
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: football fields and dads will come like, dude, did you
• 24:46
  Speaker 3: think Strickland has a chance? I'm like, you watch fighting?
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: I'm like, Oh shit.
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: I was like, this can be huge, dude. This can
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: be fucking big, dude.
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: It was huge. And it was huge because of the
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: way Sean sold it. A hundred percent. Not just that
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: Sean has a ton of fans for sure, you know,
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: but it was the way he sold it. The chaos.
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: People love it. They love that. And especially casuals. They
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: love the chaos. I love it too. It's fun. He
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: makes things fun. Makes things fun.
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: And then people get so mad, you know, some stuff
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: he says. But it's like there's a lane for that.
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: I hate to tell you there's a lane for that.
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: And I think Strickland, you've been around Strickland. He's a
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: good person. Yes, he has some crazy thoughts and stuff
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: like that, which is fine. But remember, too, people go,
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: UFC doesn't have stars. And then you get a kid
• 25:35
  Speaker 3: like Strickland, who's built his name to be the most
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: watched fight, one of the third most watched weigh-ins of
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: all time. So he's trying to be a star. So
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: you guys are complaining there's no stars. And then when
• 25:45
  Speaker 3: he's doing the damn thing, you guys are hating on him.
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: So it's like pick your poison. Well, they're hating by
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: the way he's doing it, right, that he's making things
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: super personal. But this is what Connor did. I mean,
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: that's what Conor did with Khabib. Conor crossed the line
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: many times with Khabib. Oh, buddy. The line's here.
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: Conor was all the way over here.
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: And there was no apologizing after that. I mean, that
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: was the brawl afterwards where Khabib jumped in the crowd
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: and fucked up Dilly Dan.
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: That's my favorite picture of all time. I need it
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: framed in my fucking suit. When Khabib's literally flying off
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: the fucking cage about to fucking– But remember, before that fight,
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: in the fight, Khabib was all professional.
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: He was all good.
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: As soon as that motherfucker ended, he was like, now
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: it's time to get to work.
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, dude. That is a crazy photo. World champion, just
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: got done stopping Conor McGregor. And he's leaping into the
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: fucking crowd just like his nickname. And super humble. He's
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: the eagle. Yeah, the eagle. His talons are fucking out
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: for his face. I mean, you couldn't come up with
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: a better nickname for that dude. You know how Dan
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: Henderson has that flying punch that he landed on Bisping
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: when Bisping was down? That's like his logo. That should
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: be Khabib's logo. 100%.
• 26:59
  Speaker 3: With, like, wings on it, like a flying eagle.
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: Fucking animal. Dude, that was mayhem. God, I love that guy.
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: I love him.
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: You know, we appreciated him while he was here, but
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: maybe not enough.
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: But with Hamzat, too, I also think a couple of
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: factors that went against him on Saturday night. He's been
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: in big fights, but he hasn't been in this.
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: Big of a fight.
• 27:22
  Speaker 3: Defending the middleweight title, you have this— Wild boy talking
• 27:26
  Speaker 3: so much shit. So I just– I don't think he's
• 27:29
  Speaker 3: dealt with that kind of pressure at that level. And
• 27:32
  Speaker 3: then also Hamzat's always kind of had a cardio issue
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: because remember when I went to his camp, I called you.
• 27:40
  Speaker 3: I'm like, bro, I've never seen someone so fucking– I'm
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: talking vicious, fucking everybody up, destroying them.
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: I was like, oh my god.
• 27:49
  Speaker 3: So there's an issue with him and I don't know
• 27:51
  Speaker 3: what it is where that's not– translating inside the octagon.
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: Well I can tell you right now first of all
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: first part of the issue is the weight cut yes
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: and no 100% dude he cut 22 kilos listen to
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: me he got 40 something pounds they were making it
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: so that he was going to fight Yuri Prokofiev at
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: 205 right so he starts bulking up and he's eating
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: like a fucking animal and he's dead lifting and doing
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: all kinds of crazy shit he said he was 230
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: I think he was above that yeah yeah he was
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: somewhere north of 230 and so then he's 230 whatever
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: And so then he's got to drop down to 85,
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: which is bananas. That's so hard to do. He never
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: got fat. So what happens? Well, your muscle gets eaten away.
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: Your body deteriorates. You can't recover. And he had a
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: bad breakdown in the middle of the weight cut. I
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: heard it was horrible.
• 28:40
  Speaker 3: Did you hear his brother today was like, yes, we
• 28:42
  Speaker 3: thought his body was going to shut down.
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So they took an hour off weight cutting and
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: then they went back. And he only had like 1.2
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: kilos to lose at that point, which is what is that?
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: Was that like five pounds? No, I mean two pounds.
• 28:55
  Speaker 3: Two and a half pounds, right? Two and a half.
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: What is it? It's 2.2. Okay, so somewhere around. He
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: was 230. That's a lot, though. If you're already dying,
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: you got to lose two pounds of water. Oh, it's
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: a nightmare. 260-ounce bottles of water.
• 29:08
  Speaker 3: But when he was, let's say, 230 or maybe 235,
• 29:11
  Speaker 3: how many weeks out was that?
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: Do we know? I don't know.
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: Because when Strickland beat Fluffy, they were like, hey, forget
• 29:17
  Speaker 3: this Yuri fight. You're fighting at 85. It's a few months.
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: It's a few months, but when you have muscle and
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: not fat, it is a problem. It's a real problem.
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: It's not the same problem. So if you get big
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: like Strickland gets in between fights, like Strickland, there's a
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: lot of videos of him training where he's got almost
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: like a belly. yeah he's heavy and he makes fun
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: of himself he's fat that's a different fat that's different
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: to lose you can lose that you can lose that
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: that's not a problem to lose when you're bulked up
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: your body has decided that now you're 230 pounds and
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: you're still working out all the time so your body's
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: using those muscles all the time so if you want
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: those muscles to shrink they literally have to eat themselves
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: yeah So you have to fucking starve yourself. Or you
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: do a radical dehydration, which brings you to the brink
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: of death. And it seems like that's what he did.
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: Probably a factor. Giant factor, dude.
• 30:13
  Speaker 3: It's a factor for sure. There's also a factor. But
• 30:15
  Speaker 3: it's not like in the DDP fight, in these other fights,
• 30:18
  Speaker 3: it's not like he's going in there tenacious, finishing guys.
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: Well, the DDP fight was just him in control. It
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: was just him grappling, him in control. But no attempt
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: to finish. That's my issue with him. True. He just
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: wanted to secure the win. I think it's here. It
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: could be. It could be. And that also plays a
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: factor when you're dealing with a guy like Sean who's
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: so durable and has such great cardio and can take
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: the fight into deep, deep waters and always does.
• 30:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: He always— He's always going after you in the final round.
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: The final round with Izzy, when he's got his hands down,
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: he's screaming at Izzy, come on. He gets better as
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: the fight goes on. Yeah, and Izzy had noticeably faded
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: by that final round. Part of that because of the
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: beating that he took in the first. Correct. He got
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: super close to stop, probably concussed in the first. I mean,
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: that fucking straight punch that he landed where he spun
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: Izzy's head around and then hit him with how many
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: fucking left hands in a row?
• 31:14
  Speaker 3: Yep.
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: 15, 20 left hands in a row. I mean, let's
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: count them. Let's watch that and count them because it's crazy.
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: He just bang, bang, bang, bang. If you think you're
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: going to go and just fight normal after that, you're concussed.
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: You're compromised. Probably you have a concussion. Yes. Just by
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: the way he went down, his head spun around. It
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: was a right hand, right? Wasn't it a right hand?
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: It was a right hand, yeah. Picture perfect right hand.
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: Picture perfect straight right. I mean, it was picture perfect.
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: And you don't get a cleaner, better right hand and
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: then blast him with all those punches in the clinch.
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: You're gone after that. You're a shell of yourself.
• 31:54
  Speaker 3: You're gone. I think my thing with Hamza, too, is after, again,
• 31:57
  Speaker 3: you could chalk it up to the weight cut. That
• 32:00
  Speaker 3: second round when he doesn't land that takedown and falls
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: to his back, I'm like.
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: Oh, he's cooked. Dude, I think his body was shutting
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: down and he realized that he went real hard in
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: the first round but doesn't have the gas tank. He said,
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: let me coast. I can survive on the bottom here,
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: but I need to catch my breath if I'm going
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: to try to finish this guy. It might have been
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: a strategy.
• 32:17
  Speaker 3: And he got better that third, fourth, fifth round.
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: Right, because the strategy might have been, listen, if I'm
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: on my back, no big deal. Like he tries for
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: a takedown, can't get it. He realized like, oh, Jesus.
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: I'm not going to be able to fight standing up
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: like this for five minutes after that first round because
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: his body almost shut down 24 hours ago. 24 hours ago,
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: it is the dumbest fucking thing we do in the
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: sport where we allow these people to pretend that they
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: weigh a certain way. You pretend. Oh, it's a 185-pound fight.
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: The fuck it is. Neither one of those guys.
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: 100%.
• 32:50
  Speaker 3: And Strickland is actually a bigger guy than him.
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: Strickland's a big boy. Strickland, that night in the cage,
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: is a bigger dude. Well, he definitely looked healthier, right?
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: And I think part of that, you could attribute to
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: the fact that Hamzat is killing himself.
• 33:03
  Speaker 3: Well, what did Hamzat say to Dana as soon as
• 33:05
  Speaker 3: he jumped out of the cage? He goes, I'm done
• 33:06
  Speaker 3: fighting him.
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: I'm going to 205. But apparently now, all he's talking
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: about is a rematch. It's back on.
• 33:11
  Speaker 3: It's back on.
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: So what he's got to do is he has got
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: to limit his calorie intake, and he's got to literally
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: burn the muscle off. He can't just keep dehydrating himself
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: like that. So you would have to talk to someone
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: who's an expert at that. But my friend Cam Haynes,
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: when he runs these ultra marathons, what he does is
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: he gets himself down like 160 pounds. And the way
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: he does it is he just limits his fucking calories
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: and keeps working out the exact same way. And he
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: looks terrible when he does that. He looks so tired
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: all the time. But it's just sheer willpower gets him
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: down to that weight. But that is slow running for days.
• 33:53
  Speaker 3: Correct.
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: That's a different thing.
• 33:55
  Speaker 3: We can't do that.
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: Right. What he's doing is exploding and moving quickly. And
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: my personal opinion is you have to be biologically healthy
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: to do that. You have to be a healthy person.
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: You can't just be big. Right. And you're not healthy
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: if you almost died a day ago. Correct. Because that's
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: really what's going on. And we think these guys can recover.
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: But how much do they recover? Well, they fucking for
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: sure don't recover a hundred percent. Not a hundo. Not
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: a hundred percent.
• 34:26
  Speaker 3: That's why I'm excited for him at 205. Like a
• 34:27
  Speaker 3: lot of people are like, oh, I don't like them.
• 34:29
  Speaker 3: Like if it's, if the weight is an issue at 205,
• 34:33
  Speaker 3: if he's a hundred percent, I know he might be
• 34:35
  Speaker 3: a little undersized, but. 100% Hamzat could be a lot
• 34:38
  Speaker 3: better than a 70%.
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: That's great. Strickland ain't going to do it. He's going
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: to say, you didn't fucking make the weight the first time. Oh, 100%.
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: He's going to talk mad shit.
• 34:47
  Speaker 3: It'll be fun.
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: He's a fucking coward. I beat him with one arm.
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: It's going to get crazy. You got to fight him
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: at middleweight. But he's got to go to some expert
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: in losing weight.
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: Oh, no.
• 34:57
  Speaker 3: I'm not saying Strickland Hamzat 205.
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: No, no. Oh, that's what I thought you were saying.
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: No, no.
• 35:01
  Speaker 3: Strickland's going to stay at fucking 85 and dominate.
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: No.
• 35:04
  Speaker 3: Hamzat.
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: He's going to do that rematch, and then that's it.
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: He's a 205-er.
• 35:10
  Speaker 3: Or to your point, he has to maintain a weight
• 35:13
  Speaker 3: that's realistic when he can still perform.
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: But he has to figure that out. He's got to
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: stop lifting weights, right? So whatever he was doing that
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: got him up to 230 pounds or whatever he was,
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: we're guessing, right? That's what I had heard, that he
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: was north of 230. Whatever he was doing, he's got
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: to not do that, and he's got to do mad cardio,
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: just cardio. Like working out, like wrestling, hitting a bag,
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: hitting pads, and cardio.
• 35:38
  Speaker 3: I'm a big proponent of do your sport. Get your
• 35:44
  Speaker 3: cardio from your sport. Like I see it across the board.
• 35:47
  Speaker 3: Like I get a.
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: Little hesitant when I saw all these.
• 35:51
  Speaker 3: Videos of Hamzat, you know, hitting the– The tire with
• 35:54
  Speaker 3: the hammer and doing all these runs.
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: I'm like, yeah, but.
• 35:57
  Speaker 3: I'd rather you get your cardio from actually wrestling against
• 36:00
  Speaker 3: top level guys and fucking get after it, dude. Because
• 36:04
  Speaker 3: what's Strickland do? Do you see Strickland doing all this
• 36:06
  Speaker 3: heart rate monitor?
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: No.
• 36:08
  Speaker 3: Why is his cardio so good? Because he fucking spars
• 36:10
  Speaker 3: like a madman all the time. So the Strickland you
• 36:13
  Speaker 3: see in that training camp is the exact same motherfucker
• 36:16
  Speaker 3: you see in the octagon. There's no issues. Meanwhile, you
• 36:19
  Speaker 3: got these guys, you know, run their hill sprints. I'd
• 36:21
  Speaker 3: rather you get your cardio in your actual sport. I
• 36:25
  Speaker 3: see it at the lower level, too, with kids. I
• 36:28
  Speaker 3: coach football, baseball. These dads are like, I don't get it, man.
• 36:31
  Speaker 3: I'm doing the foot ladder drill with my son five
• 36:33
  Speaker 3: days a week. Can't catch football. I'm like, because we're
• 36:37
  Speaker 3: not trying to see who has the best foot ladder. fucking,
• 36:39
  Speaker 3: who can do it the fastest. We're catching footballs, dude.
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: Catch footballs if you.
• 36:43
  Speaker 3: Want to get better at football.
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: 100%. But do you think that some of that stuff
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: has a purpose? Yes, but not close to the fight. Interesting.
• 36:52
  Speaker 3: Because usually what we would do is, like, let's say
• 36:55
  Speaker 3: you have an eight-week camp. Before the camp starts, we're
• 36:57
  Speaker 3: doing a lot of that stuff. And then once we
• 36:59
  Speaker 3: get to camp, the focus was the cardio was getting
• 37:02
  Speaker 3: it in in your training.
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: You know who agrees with you? Aljamain Sterling. Aljamain talked
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: about this. He's pretty good.
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: Good.
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: How good did he look against Alal?
• 37:13
  Speaker 3: Dude.
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: Best back control in the game.
• 37:16
  Speaker 3: And I don't, why is he so underrated?
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: I don't get it.
• 37:19
  Speaker 3: Why he doesn't get his due?
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: It's the loss to Piotr Jan.
• 37:21
  Speaker 3: It's fucking crazy.
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: He's so good. It's the win, the victory where he
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: had an injury from an illegal shot. People hated on
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: him from then on out. Think how good he did
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: against Evilove. I know. He's amazing.
• 37:32
  Speaker 3: That was a fucking split decision. Some people thought he won.
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, he could have easily won that fight. That
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: motherfucker's so good. Yeah, Aljamain's the man. Yes. But he
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: said that Marab does the same thing. Now, who the
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: fuck has better cardio than Marab? I would say nobody.
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: Nobody alive.
• 37:47
  Speaker 3: Ever in any sport I've ever seen. Maybe that guy
• 37:49
  Speaker 3: that broke the fucking whatever's four-minute mile or something, but...
• 37:52
  Speaker 3: As far as what?
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but he ain't getting taken down.
• 37:54
  Speaker 3: Exactly.
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: He's not getting punched in the face.
• 37:56
  Speaker 3: People should just go to Rob's camp and be like,
• 37:59
  Speaker 3: what are you doing?
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: He's like, I'm wrestling.
• 38:00
  Speaker 3: I'm fucking wrestling.
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: He does run. He does run and he does lift
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: some weights every now and then. But he doesn't do
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: any of that crazy garage stuff. And one of the
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: guys that spoke out against the garage stuff was Cub Swanson.
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: I shouldn't say spoke out against it. But what he
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: did say was that when he did that, because he
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: did some of the training lab stuff, he said he
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: was too broken down. He said he was overtrained and
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: he said he was just too tired when he was
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: going into like fight camp. It's tough to recover. You're
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: doing all the other stuff too. You're still boxing. You're
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: still kickboxing. I have to. You're still wrestling. And he
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: said he did badly in those fights, which is interesting because,
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: you know, the Marv Marinovich approach was very different with
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: BJ Penn. And that was the best BJ Penn ever.
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: The best BJ Penn ever. But they literally did no
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: fight training. What they did is all plyometrics and it's
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: different from the stuff the training lab stuff is doing
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: because the training lab stuff, he's doing bicycle work and
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: all this stuff because that's what Sam Calavita came from. Correct.
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: Came from a cycling background. What Marv was having him
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: do was all plyometric stuff and just build this fucking
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: insane machine. He's like, BJ, you already know how to fight. Fact.
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: You're not going to get better at fighting in eight weeks, right? Fact.
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: But what we can do is give you an unstoppable
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: gas tank. And one of the things that always fucked
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: BJ up earlier in his career is that he wasn't–
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: when he was training himself or when he had– it
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: wasn't– Kim and his brother. Yeah, it wasn't the most disciplined.
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: Different days, yeah. He was phenomenally talented and– Freak. Freak.
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: And one of the things– won the world, the Mundials
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: at three years in to jiu-jitsu as a black belt.
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: Like nobody does that. That's why he's almost a bad example.
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying?
• 39:42
  Speaker 3: It's like, yeah.
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: Right. But what he– the problem with really talented people,
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: and I'm sure you'd probably agree with me, they tend
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: to not work as hard. Yeah. Right. Like Sean, although
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: he's a world champion, he's not a guy where you
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: see like, oh, my God, he is so talented. Like
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: what he does is like no one can move that way.
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: No one can do what he does. Like, you know,
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: there's certain guys that are like that.
• 40:03
  Speaker 3: Sean's stuff is hard work.
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: Hard work. So the guys that are super talented, it
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: comes a little easier for them. And sometimes they have
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: a harder time with the hard work because they're not
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: used to getting beat up. They're not used to getting pressed.
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: So when they have to do this drill where you're
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: rotating in new sparring partners and you're exhausted, and when
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: you're doing that, hell, they don't like that. No. So
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: some guys avoid that shit. They just want to be
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: tuning guys up.
• 40:30
  Speaker 3: Spot on. Yeah.
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: And so those guys, when they're fighting a George St.
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: Pierre or someone of a commensurate skill level, they might fade.
• 40:38
  Speaker 3: Yep.
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: Because that guy got there and threw a different path.
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: I mean, George... Although he's a phenomenal athlete, one of
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: the best wrestlers in MMA ever and didn't even come
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: from a wrestling background. I mean, George is one of
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: the all-time greats. There's not like one thing that George
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: would do that would make you think like that guy
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: is a freak athlete. There's never been anybody like him
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: like that.
• 41:01
  Speaker 3: No, far from it. To your point, far from it
• 41:03
  Speaker 3: because I trained with George forever. And when we did–
• 41:05
  Speaker 3: they would have us do some stuff like I did
• 41:07
  Speaker 3: in the NFL like sprints and vertical and the agility drills.
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: Like nothing– Nothing crazy. No. But BJ was crazy. BJ's crazy.
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: BJ could do stuff where you're like, how the fuck
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: can you do that? BJ could jump out of a
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: pool and land easy. BJ has insane flexibility. The way
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: he moves his legs. His balance is nuts. There's a
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: video of someone trying to take him down. And they
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: have a single. And they are driving across the cage.
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: And he's on one leg. And he's on one leg
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: hopping with. Zero fear of being taken down. But to
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: your point, BJ's that talented. John's another one. Yep.
• 41:47
  Speaker 3: Where it's like.
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: Right, right. Exact, exact. Perfect comparison. They're so fucking talented.
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: So fucking talented. And then the difference being John always
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: figured out a way to win, and John... If he
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: had a bad camp for one fight, he would come
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: back in the next fight and really fucking put it
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: to somebody.
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Right?
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: Like the Gustafson fight. First fight with Gustafson, he doesn't
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: train at all. I talked to Craig Jackson. He's like,
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: he barely showed up. At all. Barely showed up in
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: the gym.
• 42:17
  Speaker 3: And then has a five round war.
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: For a world title fight. And pulls it out in
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: the final two rounds. Pulls it out. It's crazy.
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: Crazy.
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: Gets taken down for the first time. We see him
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: get taken down by Gustafson. Like, oh my God, Gustafson
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: might be the man. And John pulls it out. So
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: the second fight comes around and John trains hard. And
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: John fucks him up. I mean fucks him up in
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: a way like this is what would have happened if
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: I tried. Yeah. If I prepared the way you prepared,
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: this is what you get. This is how it goes.
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: You get a fucking beating. And this is the dance
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: of like who's the greatest of all time. And that's
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: why the argument in most people's eyes is that John
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: is the greatest of all time because John– He was
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: all those things, super talented, and when push came to
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: shove and he had to get back into work and
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: get the gear. He would do it. He would do it,
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: and he would pull it off against DC. He would
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: pull it off. The Stipe fight was– I think that
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: was not Stipe. That was an old– No, that's when
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: you– like when you talk about his resume, you're like,
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: all right. Stipe is the Stipe that ran through the
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: heavyweight division. The Stipe that knocked out Alistair Overeem, that
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: beat Fabrizio Verdun for the title, beat Francis when Francis
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: was just crushing everybody. And I think that took a
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: lot out of his chin, that Francis fight. I really do. Oh,
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: that changed him forever, I think. Because DC knocks him
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: out right after that. And it wasn't the biggest punch
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: in the world.
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: No.
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: It was a big punch. But, I mean, he had
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: taken it. Bombs from Francis.
• 43:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah, back to John being the greatest of all time.
• 43:50
  Speaker 3: It's like when you look at his resume, it's just like, fuck,
• 43:52
  Speaker 3: it's wild.
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: Phenomenal. Phenomenal resume. Youngest ever UFC champion. Crazy.
• 43:57
  Speaker 3: But as far as like— Wasn't Josh Barnett— did Josh Barnett
• 43:59
  Speaker 3: win it earlier? No.
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: I think John's the youngest. John's the youngest. And Josh
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: Barnett was the youngest heavyweight. And Joshua Vann's second now.
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: So Josh Barnett won the heavyweight title at, what, 24? Yep.
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: And those boys were— Didn't they strip him for steroids
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: when everyone was doing steroids? That is— It's like when
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: WWE guys get busted. You're like, oh, come on. Like, bitch,
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: you ain't testing everybody.
• 44:21
  Speaker 3: You just don't like Josh.
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: It's a way to get him out. I love Josh.
• 44:25
  Speaker 3: It's a way to get him out. But back to John,
• 44:28
  Speaker 3: it's like you look at his resume. Greatest ever do it.
• 44:30
  Speaker 3: Beat the very best.
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: In murderer's row. Murderer's row.
• 44:34
  Speaker 3: Now, you know, it's.
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: Not even comparable to today's light heavyweight and heavyweight. You
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: don't think so?
• 44:40
  Speaker 3: No.
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: Well, listen, when Alex was the light heavyweight champion, it's
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: certainly comparable. Alex as the light heavyweight champion, the Alex
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: that beat Magomedov, the Alex that knocked out Yuri Prohaska,
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: the Alex that starches everybody that fucked up Jamal Hill,
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: like that Alex Pereira and Jon Jones in his prime
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: would have been insane. That would have been insane.
• 45:03
  Speaker 3: Oh, man.
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: Tough to beat the wrestling of Jon. Like, John's wrestling
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: was on a totally different level.
• 45:08
  Speaker 3: His reach, his IQ.
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: His IQ.
• 45:09
  Speaker 3: The wrestling would be tough, Ralph.
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: What could he do to Cheryl Gunn?
• 45:12
  Speaker 3: Crazy.
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: I mean, he avoided the shots. He read him like
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: a book. Bullied him. Bullied him. Got all of his
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: neck and like, I'll take that.
• 45:20
  Speaker 3: Dude, if you go back and look at John, my
• 45:23
  Speaker 3: fighting years too, you look at that light heavyweight division,
• 45:26
  Speaker 3: one through fucking 15, good luck. that's especially heavyweight true
• 45:30
  Speaker 3: but good fucking luck but at light heavyweight okay so
• 45:33
  Speaker 3: not a lot of those guys are ranked in top 10.
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: How do you think yuri how well let's let's think
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: of alex how do you think alex would have done
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: against gustafson very tough fight for him you think so
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: gustafson in his prime yeah you think so yeah and
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: do you think that based on the to share a
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: fight because he pieced up glover remember that fight Yeah. Bro,
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: that was a video game combination. We knocked out.
• 45:56
  Speaker 3: Alex is one of those guys, similar to DC, that
• 45:58
  Speaker 3: when John just reigned as champ, it's like if Alex
• 46:02
  Speaker 3: was just born at a different time, maybe five years before,
• 46:05
  Speaker 3: five years after, he's our John Jones. He was so
• 46:09
  Speaker 3: fucking talented. Huge.
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: 6'6, 6'7. Great wrestling.
• 46:13
  Speaker 3: Great world-class boxing. Good at everything, dude.
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: Great cardio. Just in the division with the GOAT. Yeah, fucked. Yeah, yeah, fucked.
• 46:19
  Speaker 3: Fucked. Your mom and dad decided to have sex at
• 46:22
  Speaker 3: the same time John and his parents did, and you're fucked.
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: Look at what happened with Ilya Teporia. Think about the
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: guys that he's fighting. Think about Max Holloway. Think about
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: Charles Oliveira. Think about Alexander Volkanovsky. And he has blasted
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: all of them into orbit, all three of them. First
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: guy ever to stop Max. It's like if you're in
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: that guy's division— What are you going to do? Especially
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: at 45. I don't know what it's going to be
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: like at 55. Obviously, the Oliveira fight was a one-punch knockout.
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: That was such a bad knockout. Crazy knockout. But when
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: you see him and Justin next to each other, you're like, whoa,
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: Justin is quite a bit bigger.
• 46:58
  Speaker 3: Justin Big Cat.
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: He's quite a bit bigger. That's a tough fight. It's
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: a different fight than Oliveira. It's different. But fuck, then
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: you see what Oliveira was able to do to Max.
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: You're like, good Lord. Like, Oliveira's a fucking beast, man.
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: He looked phenomenal. And he couldn't do none of that
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: to Ilya. Yeah, the only thing with all that is, like.
• 47:20
  Speaker 3: The 55 division, everyone's– no one's in the front. Like
• 47:23
  Speaker 3: Charles is in his prime when Ilya beat him. Justin's
• 47:26
  Speaker 3: definitely not in his prime. Max is in his prime.
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: They're all good. They're fucking good. But not prime prime. Right.
• 47:32
  Speaker 3: And the issue is Ilya's just getting to his prime.
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: Just getting to his prime.
• 47:37
  Speaker 3: He's surging.
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: And already one of the greatest of all time. He's
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: a fucking problem.
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: He's so smart and so disciplined and so like completely
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: focused and dialed in. Great at everything. Great at everything.
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: Graded everything. And the crazy thing is didn't even start
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: as a striker. Crazy. Started as a grappler. Crazy.
• 47:56
  Speaker 3: Now, his toughest matchup is Armin Sorokin. That's the motherfucking fight.
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: 100%.
• 48:01
  Speaker 3: Oh, but that's what I was going to say. With Hamzat,
• 48:04
  Speaker 3: he's not active. I know I'm jumping around a little bit.
• 48:06
  Speaker 3: But with Hamzat, I think one of his issues with
• 48:09
  Speaker 3: whatever's going on inside that hot gun, weight cut 100%. Clearly,
• 48:13
  Speaker 3: there seems to be a mental block when it comes
• 48:15
  Speaker 3: to finishing fights because he's worried about gassing out. But RAF,
• 48:20
  Speaker 3: take a page out of fucking Sarukin's book. Just wrestle
• 48:24
  Speaker 3: all the– Sarukin, I think he's wrestled like eight times
• 48:27
  Speaker 3: this fucking year.
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: I know.
• 48:28
  Speaker 3: Just fucking dudes up, making all the money. He makes
• 48:31
  Speaker 3: six figures every time he fucks somebody up.
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: But he's active. He's staying active, staying in shape. Competing.
• 48:36
  Speaker 3: And the UFC is going, yeah, go ahead and do it.
• 48:38
  Speaker 3: So for Hamzat, dude, because he fights once a fucking year,
• 48:41
  Speaker 3: which is not good, dude. So it's like stay active
• 48:44
  Speaker 3: over there. Stay active like Arma Sarukin is doing.
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: Keep your weight down. Yeah, I don't know if he's
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: interested in doing that. He signed with him. Yeah, but
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: what was the fight that they signed that he was
• 48:54
  Speaker 2: going to wrestle somebody? Who was it? Do you remember?
• 48:57
  Speaker 3: I think they want to toss him like an Olympian,
• 48:59
  Speaker 3: which is– that's where it gets dicey.
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, here's my fear. There was a recent event. There
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: was a very weird event. I don't know who did it,
• 49:07
  Speaker 2: but it was kicks to the leg, punches to the body,
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: and jiu-jitsu. Have you seen that? No, get the fuck
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: out of my face. It was weird. Yeah, so glace
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: and t-bow was fighting uh i apologize i don't remember
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: who was fighting and he takes this guy down and
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: the guy catches you know he's trying to avoid the
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: takedown he catches his knee in a weird way and
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: it blows out so that could happen to fucking anybody.
• 49:31
  Speaker 3: Wrestling's a little safer though i don't.
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: Know about that because this was in the wrestling exchange
• 49:35
  Speaker 2: that he took him down Yeah.
• 49:37
  Speaker 3: But those guys aren't exactly like high-level wrestlers.
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: True.
• 49:40
  Speaker 3: Like RAF, it's top-tier shit.
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, no doubt.
• 49:43
  Speaker 3: It's so good.
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: No doubt. It's so good. But wrestlers blow their knees
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: out all the time. True. It's just a part of
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: the craziness of explosive movement and a guy is coming
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: after you. But it's kind of what you sign up for. 100%.
• 49:56
  Speaker 3: So for a hot spot, it's like, dude, we can't
• 49:58
  Speaker 3: fight fucking once a year and then you have weight issues.
• 50:00
  Speaker 3: And clearly there seems to be a mental block and
• 50:02
  Speaker 3: you're getting finishes because you're cardio. Let's do RAF. Let's
• 50:06
  Speaker 3: get this rolling. Keeps your weight down. Keeps you active.
• 50:08
  Speaker 2: Also keeps you in the limelight.
• 50:10
  Speaker 3: Armin has blown the fuck up, dude.
• 50:13
  Speaker 2: True. He's a massive star now. True. especially online I
• 50:17
  Speaker 2: don't know how much that translates to the general public
• 50:20
  Speaker 2: it's for dorks like us dorks like us pay your
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: fucking point we are some dorks are riding his nuts
• 50:26
  Speaker 2: he beat Giorgio twice it's such a good point is
• 50:30
  Speaker 2: it Lance Palmer the wrestler that he tech falled which
• 50:33
  Speaker 2: is nuts nuts Uri Faber threw over the fucking thing
• 50:36
  Speaker 2: that was crazy why'd you do that what if you
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: both got hurt what if you hurt Uri he's a
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: bit of a main head well he's a psychopath yeah
• 50:43
  Speaker 2: he's a full on psychopath I mean he's rich Dude,
• 50:46
  Speaker 2: he's so rich. Literally wealthy.
• 50:48
  Speaker 3: Do you see him on that stream? They go, so
• 50:50
  Speaker 3: if you wanted to buy a car, like $ 500, 000 car,
• 50:52
  Speaker 3: what do you do? He goes, I just call my dad.
• 50:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah. His dad's like a billionaire. He's got tons of money,
• 50:58
  Speaker 2: but he's not lazy at all. He flies in the
• 51:04
  Speaker 2: face of this longstanding belief that we all had that
• 51:08
  Speaker 2: if you come from a rich family, you can't be
• 51:10
  Speaker 2: a great fighter.
• 51:10
  Speaker 3: Dude, he's Batman.
• 51:11
  Speaker 2: It doesn't matter if you come from the ghetto. He's
• 51:14
  Speaker 2: going to fuck you up. He does not give a fuck.
• 51:16
  Speaker 2: Some fucking dude is like, I'm from the favelas. Good luck.
• 51:19
  Speaker 3: Cool, man.
• 51:20
  Speaker 2: Good luck with that fucking Armenian psychopath.
• 51:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and he's pulling up in a Maybach.
• 51:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah. He pulls into L.A. I watch his YouTube videos.
• 51:29
  Speaker 2: He shows him training and all the different stuff he does.
• 51:32
  Speaker 2: When he lands in L.A., he goes immediately to an
• 51:35
  Speaker 2: exotic rental car place and rents a Lamborghini. And drives
• 51:38
  Speaker 2: it to the training lab.
• 51:40
  Speaker 3: It's not the way it's supposed to work, but he.
• 51:42
  Speaker 2: Pulls it off. Bro, good luck with that guy. Good
• 51:45
  Speaker 2: luck with that guy. Go ahead and make fun of
• 51:46
  Speaker 2: him for being rich. Built like a Greek god. Yeah.
• 51:48
  Speaker 2: Can wrestle like a fucking elite top tier wrestler. And
• 51:53
  Speaker 2: he can strike. And he can submit you. Good luck.
• 51:56
  Speaker 2: And he's angry because he's denied a shot at the title.
• 51:59
  Speaker 2: Because he hurt his back when he was getting ready
• 52:01
  Speaker 2: to fight Ilya. Which is the best thing that ever
• 52:03
  Speaker 2: happened to him. You think so? Yeah, because look how
• 52:06
  Speaker 2: much– because.
• 52:07
  Speaker 3: We were fucking dorks and we knew who he was.
• 52:10
  Speaker 3: But the general– like especially online, no one– his profile
• 52:13
  Speaker 3: is so big now.
• 52:16
  Speaker 2: I think it's just with dorks.
• 52:18
  Speaker 3: But those dorks equal sponsorship, money.
• 52:22
  Speaker 2: Well, here's the deal. There's only one compelling fight. Look
• 52:25
  Speaker 2: at the fucking build on this cat. That is not
• 52:28
  Speaker 2: a guy that grew up with a billionaire dad who
• 52:30
  Speaker 2: could just go buy a fucking Lamborghini with his credit
• 52:33
  Speaker 2: card if he wants to.
• 52:34
  Speaker 3: He's Bruce Wayne, but his parents are still alive.
• 52:36
  Speaker 2: It's nuts.
• 52:37
  Speaker 3: He has no reason to be upset.
• 52:38
  Speaker 2: Well, I'll tell you what. Armenians, look at the Shut
• 52:40
  Speaker 2: the fuck up, man. Just shut up. Great body. That's ridiculous.
• 52:44
  Speaker 2: Great body. That makes me want to just quit and
• 52:46
  Speaker 2: eat fucking potatoes all day. Or get you in that
• 52:49
  Speaker 2: fucking kind of shape. I'm kidding. Yeah. Or just get ripped.
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  Speaker 2: compelling matchup for Ilya if Ilya gets past Justin. If
• 54:11
  Speaker 2: Justin beats Ilya, it is not only one of the
• 54:14
  Speaker 2: greatest upsets of all time, it is one of the
• 54:16
  Speaker 2: greatest caps to a career of all time. Like if
• 54:19
  Speaker 2: he all through what he's been through wins the interim title,
• 54:23
  Speaker 2: wins the BMF title, if he does that and caps
• 54:26
  Speaker 2: his career off, you go, Fuck yeah, dude. Way to
• 54:29
  Speaker 2: go out.
• 54:29
  Speaker 3: Brother, if he beats Ilya Teper at UFC Freedom 250
• 54:34
  Speaker 3: in front of Donald Trump, he's the only American that
• 54:36
  Speaker 3: gets the belt. It's bigger. It's beyond just MMA, UFC.
• 54:41
  Speaker 3: Miracle on Ice, fuck off. This is– imagine the headlines, dude. Yes.
• 54:46
  Speaker 2: And if he beats that guy in his prime who's
• 54:50
  Speaker 2: knocking everyone into the shadow realm, says to Charles Oliveira,
• 54:54
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry, it has to be you. Has a celebration
• 54:58
  Speaker 2: party the night before the fight?
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: At a party.
• 55:02
  Speaker 2: At a party.
• 55:02
  Speaker 3: Was drinking wine and shit?
• 55:04
  Speaker 2: No, he wasn't. Was he?
• 55:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm pretty sure he's drinking wine.
• 55:06
  Speaker 2: No, I think it was water.
• 55:08
  Speaker 3: No, I'm pretty sure he's drinking wine.
• 55:10
  Speaker 2: Imagine that fucking psychopath. And he gets starched. Yeah, and
• 55:13
  Speaker 2: he's got that beautiful fucking Spanish accent. Yeah, dude.
• 55:17
  Speaker 3: Just checks all boxes.
• 55:18
  Speaker 2: Checks all the boxes.
• 55:19
  Speaker 3: It's such a tough fight for Justin, but I'm rooting
• 55:22
  Speaker 3: for Justin.
• 55:22
  Speaker 2: I love both of them. But just for the.
• 55:24
  Speaker 3: Sheer fact of, again, I like chaos. At that, in
• 55:28
  Speaker 3: front of the weird elites watching the fight, you don't
• 55:30
  Speaker 3: know what the fuck's going on.
• 55:31
  Speaker 2: It's going to be great if Justin pulls it off.
• 55:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 55:34
  Speaker 2: If Justin pulls it off, it'll be one of the
• 55:36
  Speaker 2: greatest upsets of all time, one of the greatest victories
• 55:38
  Speaker 2: of all time. And if he does just retire, Teporia
• 55:42
  Speaker 2: plans to celebrate before the Gaethje clash at the White House.
• 55:44
  Speaker 2: Of course he's going to celebrate.
• 55:45
  Speaker 3: Whatever he's doing.
• 55:46
  Speaker 2: That's his move. Whatever he does.
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: He's doing it again.
• 55:48
  Speaker 2: Massive celebration dinner the night before his lightweight bout. We're
• 55:52
  Speaker 2: going to celebrate before the fight. Actually, we have everything organized.
• 55:54
  Speaker 2: My team has already taken care of that. That's a
• 55:59
  Speaker 2: mind fucking a half when you're in your hotel room,
• 56:02
  Speaker 2: you know, and you're just fucking scrolling on Instagram thinking
• 56:05
  Speaker 2: about 24 hours from now you're going to be fighting.
• 56:07
  Speaker 2: And you're like, what's this asshole doing? Oh, he's fucking
• 56:10
  Speaker 2: standing on top of a table dancing.
• 56:12
  Speaker 3: That's how sure he is he's going to beat the
• 56:14
  Speaker 3: fuck out of you.
• 56:15
  Speaker 2: He's eating spaghetti and fucking doing a salsa dance. Like,
• 56:19
  Speaker 2: what the fuck are you talking about, man?
• 56:22
  Speaker 3: Did you see when all the fighters are at the
• 56:23
  Speaker 3: White House?
• 56:24
  Speaker 2: Trump's like, I thought you liked this guy. You're like, oh, fuck.
• 56:28
  Speaker 2: Why would you give your friend his toughest test? Yeah. Well,
• 56:31
  Speaker 2: for Gaethje, that's the last fight. I mean, if this
• 56:34
  Speaker 2: is really going to be his last fight, that is
• 56:36
  Speaker 2: the last fight. And it's smart.
• 56:38
  Speaker 3: It's smart. Because that Patty fight is, you know, entertaining
• 56:42
  Speaker 3: fight for the casuals. But as far as technical wise,
• 56:45
  Speaker 3: it was so sloppy, man. It was just so sloppy.
• 56:48
  Speaker 2: Well, Justin told me that that's what he wanted to do.
• 56:51
  Speaker 2: Which he should do. He just wanted to just go,
• 56:53
  Speaker 2: fuck you, and just come at him and just throw
• 56:55
  Speaker 2: caution to the wind and just almost fight like he
• 56:58
  Speaker 2: did back in the PFL days.
• 57:00
  Speaker 3: World Series of Fighting Days.
• 57:01
  Speaker 2: That's what it was.
• 57:02
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 57:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right.
• 57:03
  Speaker 3: That's exactly what he should be doing. And that's exactly
• 57:05
  Speaker 3: what he should have done. And then for Patty, it
• 57:07
  Speaker 3: was a sloppy fight, but he got the job done.
• 57:09
  Speaker 3: But you can tell, and it's all good. This isn't
• 57:12
  Speaker 3: a knock on Justin. All the years, all the wars,
• 57:15
  Speaker 3: one of the greatest careers we've ever seen. It catches
• 57:18
  Speaker 3: up with you. 100%.
• 57:19
  Speaker 2: It has to. And now here's Ilya Toporia. But again,
• 57:23
  Speaker 2: I bet Justin wouldn't have it any other way.
• 57:25
  Speaker 3: You have an opportunity to pull off one of the biggest,
• 57:28
  Speaker 3: if not the biggest upset we've ever seen.
• 57:30
  Speaker 2: At the fucking White House. Justin has an awesome series,
• 57:35
  Speaker 2: The Art of Violence, I think it's called. It's on
• 57:37
  Speaker 2: YouTube and it's all talking about him preparing. It's all
• 57:41
  Speaker 2: videos of him training and Trevor Whitman's in it. And
• 57:43
  Speaker 2: Trevor was saying, we love being the underdog. We love it.
• 57:46
  Speaker 2: And he talked about being the underdog with Rose Namajunas
• 57:49
  Speaker 2: when she beat Ioana Jojicek. Sure. When she beat Yong
• 57:53
  Speaker 2: Wei Lee. Same thing. Like, they love being the underdog
• 57:56
  Speaker 2: in those situations. Like, stopping Wei Lee was nuts.
• 58:00
  Speaker 3: Crazy.
• 58:00
  Speaker 2: You know, that she was the underdog, head kicks her. Yep.
• 58:03
  Speaker 3: Crazy. And that— This is a little different, but I
• 58:05
  Speaker 3: hear you.
• 58:06
  Speaker 2: It is different. It's different. But it is— it' s similar in ways, right?
• 58:11
  Speaker 2: The Zhang Weili is because Zhang Weili is fucking everybody.
• 58:15
  Speaker 3: Scary.
• 58:16
  Speaker 2: There's no one like her. The physicality of her at
• 58:19
  Speaker 2: straw weight. She was a fucking monster. Like her training
• 58:22
  Speaker 2: was bananas. Crazy. I'd watch her training.
• 58:24
  Speaker 3: I'd go, good Lord. Who's going to beat her? Her
• 58:26
  Speaker 3: shoulders and shit.
• 58:27
  Speaker 2: But the way she trains, she trains like a dude.
• 58:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 58:30
  Speaker 2: Like an angry dude. You know what I mean? That's
• 58:32
  Speaker 2: the haircut to show. And it's not a knock on
• 58:37
  Speaker 2: the way women train. I'm not saying that. I'm saying
• 58:40
  Speaker 2: like the ferocity was like she's filled with testosterone. Like
• 58:46
  Speaker 2: she's trying to kill somebody.
• 58:47
  Speaker 3: She probably is, Joe.
• 58:48
  Speaker 2: She might be. It might be natural. It might have
• 58:52
  Speaker 2: slipped something into her noodles. Did you see that one
• 58:56
  Speaker 2: fighter who got busted? And she goes, oh, man, I
• 59:01
  Speaker 2: took my husband's vitamins. It just had to be steroids. Yeah,
• 59:03
  Speaker 2: my husband. She threw her husband under the bus for
• 59:06
  Speaker 2: taking steroids. He fucked up. Is he an active fighter?
• 59:09
  Speaker 3: I don't think so.
• 59:10
  Speaker 1: Is he?
• 59:11
  Speaker 3: No, he's probably just some meathead. He's like, yeah, I
• 59:12
  Speaker 3: guess this works.
• 59:13
  Speaker 2: I hope so. Yeah, me too. Because if he's an
• 59:14
  Speaker 2: active fighter, he'd be like, what the fuck?
• 59:17
  Speaker 3: Now we're both fucked.
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 59:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Say somebody gave you the wrong thing.
• 59:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 59:21
  Speaker 3: Jesus Christ.
• 59:21
  Speaker 2: But back to Whaley and Rose.
• 59:24
  Speaker 3: The difference with that is Rose was still pretty in
• 59:26
  Speaker 3: her prime there.
• 59:27
  Speaker 2: Yes. 100%. That's a good point. That's a good point.
• 59:31
  Speaker 2: Real good point. Justin's not in his prime, but damn,
• 59:34
  Speaker 2: he didn't look like he lost a step in the
• 59:36
  Speaker 2: Patti Pimblitt fight. He looked like he was just being
• 59:39
  Speaker 2: an animal. And Pimblitt's fucking good, man. You see what
• 59:42
  Speaker 2: Pimblitt did to Bobby Green? Granted, Bobby Green's not quite
• 59:46
  Speaker 2: at the same level, although he was. Fucking sensational. You
• 59:49
  Speaker 2: look good. Against Jeremy Stevens. He just keeps doing the
• 59:52
  Speaker 2: damn thing. Also, that style is so fun. Talking shit,
• 59:55
  Speaker 2: pointing at you. He's fun, man.
• 59:57
  Speaker 3: So fun.
• 59:57
  Speaker 2: He's one of my faves. So fun. How about at
• 59:59
  Speaker 2: the end of the fight, when I'm interviewing him, he's like,
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 2: come walk with me. And he takes me over to Dana.
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 2: He's like, yo, Dana.
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he wants that bonus. They've never given him a bonus.
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 2: He was just talking about how he's one of the
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 2: most exciting fighters that's ever done it. He's awesome. I'm like,
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 2: everybody knows that. He's like, well, I didn't get my
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 2: fucking bonus. Yeah.
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 3: But I'm kind of with Dana on the bonus thing.
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 3: Dana goes, well, we do it also to your strength
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 3: of your opponent.
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 2: Zell Huber was good, dude. He beat Zell Huber in
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 2: his last fight and stopped him. Bad-ass fight. He should
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 2: have got a part. He should have got it for
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 2: that one. That's what he was talking about.
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 3: Well, but for this last fight, for his last fight,
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 3: you know, he fought Jeremy Stevens. Great fight, great fighter. But,
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 3: you know, compared to, like, the other guys on the card.
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's different.
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 3: That's why Dana's like, well— No.
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 2: But he was complaining about not getting a bonus in
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 2: his last fight. That's why he wanted a bonus in
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 2: this fight. He was saying, because I even asked him,
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 2: I go, you didn't get a bonus for the Zell
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 2: Huber fight? He got 25K, right? Because he finished him.
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 3: If you get a finish, no matter what, but he
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 3: wanted the big boy bonus.
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 2: The big boy bonus. Yeah. I hate all of it.
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 2: I hate people that have to ask for bonuses. It's awkward. Look,
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 2: the money is there. We know the money's there. This
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 2: is a $ 7 billion deal. I'm not a businessman. I'll
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 2: say that right now. If I was running the UFC,
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 2: the stockholders, they would fucking kick me out. The shareholders
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 2: would have me fired. I run that bitch like affliction.
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 2: You don't want that. You don't want me running affliction.
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 2: Because I treat it like I was a communist.
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah, me too. I'm also a little more careful the
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 3: way I talk about it too because I don't know
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 3: their books. I don't know how to run a giant
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 3: company like that. I assume with $ 7. 7 billion, I'm like, man,
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 3: I feel like we could give some over here. But
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 3: then if you talk to somebody and they're like, oh,
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 3: do you? Well, look at this, motherfucker.
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, my bad.
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 1: My bad.
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 2: Now, this is not a knock on Ari Emanuel, but
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 2: it was reported that he made $ 67 million last year.
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 2: He worked very hard. I'm sure he did. But that
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 2: was from the UFC, from TKO, right? That was his payout.
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 2: And he's got a bunch of other things going on.
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 2: He's a very successful guy.
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 3: But is he the reason they sold for $ 7.
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 2: 7 billion? He's a big part of it. Probably a
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 2: big part, right?
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 1: 100%.
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 2: And also, he took the big chance in purchasing it
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 2: for $ 2 billion, which was a big deal. The whole
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 2: thing is like this is why you're in business. I
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 2: think fighting is different than any other business. And the
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 2: reason why I say this, and you could speak to
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 2: this more than anybody, you are putting your health on
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 2: the line in a way that is not required in
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 2: any other business other than maybe football and boxing and kickboxing.
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 2: You're putting your health on the line in a way
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 2: that's different than any other business. you are the only
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 2: thing that people are tuning in for. Without the fighters,
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 2: there is no UFC. It doesn't exist. It is the
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 2: entire product. The thing you're selling is entirely fighters. And
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 2: it's fighters that operate for a short window of their prime.
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 2: They have 10 years or whatever they have. And when
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 2: they get out, We've all talked about guys that are
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 2: mumbling now. You can't understand what the fuck they say.
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 2: You see like tics that they have and guys who
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 2: have neurological problems, memory problems. It's real. So I don't
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 2: think we should think of it like any other business
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 2: because the entire business model is these guys' bodies and
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 2: the consequence is their health and it's for the rest
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 2: of their life. And so if you're doing something that
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 2: is generating a significant amount of money, for a very
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 2: short amount of time, I think you should get a
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 2: lot of money for that if you're one of those people.
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 2: The amount of money that is left over for the
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 2: other people, the people that are making the money, that
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 2: put the money in, they should still get a lot
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 2: of money, which is why they did it in the
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 2: first place. But I don't think the balance is correct. Now,
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 2: I am biased, right? Because again, I'm not a businessman,
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 2: but I have a deep empathy for people who put
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 2: themselves in front of harm And try to chase that
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 2: glory for our entertainment, for the sport that we love.
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 2: And I think they should be compensated more.
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think you're– I mean obviously we're biased
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 3: because we love fighters and I was a fighter.
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 2: It's not even about being biased. It's just– Fairness. It's fairness.
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 3: It's fairness in the marketplace and– Well, the thing is–
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 3: It's such a dicey thing. I know people hate when
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 3: I bring up fighter talk and I get sick of
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 3: it too because– I don't know what you can really do.
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 3: It's simple.
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 1: Is it, though?
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 2: Because here's the thing.
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 3: People will go, okay, they made $ 7.
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 2: 7 billion.
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 3: Here's their overhead. We don't know what's going on. But
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 3: it's like, the UFC is the only combat sports promotion
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 3: to ever make money.
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 2: Ever.
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 3: Nobody else has ever done it better or made profit.
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 3: So my thing is like, is this just what it is?
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 3: And I know some people are like, you're such an idiot.
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 3: They have this leftover money. I hear you. But what
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 3: I'm saying is there's PFL, Bellator, Affliction, World Series. We
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 3: can go through the list. One championship.
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 2: None of them.
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 3: Are around somewhere on their last leg. No one's ever
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 3: been able to sustain it. And I'm not saying we
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 3: don't deserve more fucking money. All I'm saying is, is
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 3: this just how it goes in the fight business?
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I'm not a businessman. I know people
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 2: are yelling right now, you're fucking it.
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 3: I'm just saying, is fighting different where, hey man, that's just,
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 3: it's not the NFL. It's not the NBA. It's not MLB.
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 3: In order for us to continue this rise together, this
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 3: is what it is it's 18 to the.
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 2: Fighters i i don't know joe okay well that's what
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 2: i'm saying i don't good points first of all let's
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 2: just give the ufc its flowers because without i love
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 2: the kids say that these days give it give the
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 2: flowers yeah good saying have your daughter started using buns
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 2: yet oh yeah they use that yeah i just found
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 2: it my my son's bad buns is bad yeah i
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 2: didn't know i got a new truck my son's like
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 2: i think it's buns i'm like is that good what's
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 2: that it's ass yeah i know but buns are always
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 2: like cute buns yeah i know check out the.
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 3: Balance it's.
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we're young Jamie. Young Jamie.
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 3: But what were you saying?
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 2: The UFC is the greatest organization in combat sports history, period.
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 2: There's nothing even close. The product is so much better
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 2: than any boxing promotion. And my friends that I've brought
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 2: to the UFC that are boxing fans, like my friend
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 2: Josh Dubin, he was like, the fucking production's incredible. He goes,
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 2: it's so much more exciting than any boxing event. It's
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 2: so much better. That is 100% true. They've also been
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 2: a consolidated organization forever. Right. I mean, it was a
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 2: different owner. It was Bob Meyerowitz back in the day
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 2: in 97 when I worked for them. But from 2021 on.
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 2: So for the last 25 fucking years, it's been Zufa. Right.
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 2: They sold Zufa. Now Zufa sold to Ari Emanuel and
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 2: TKO and. But the same people are running it, right?
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 2: It's still Dana White. It's still all these people behind
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 2: the scenes. That's another conversation. Yeah, it's still Anik. It's
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 2: still me and DC and Michael Bisping and all the
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 2: other people that are doing commentary and, you know, Dominic
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 2: Cruz and Paul Felder and Laura Sanko. It's still the
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 2: team's the same. The team behind the scenes is the same.
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 2: It's so polished. There's never a problem. When I show
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 2: up at the UFC, everything's so smooth. You go in
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 2: and say hi to everybody. I show my badge to
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 2: the fucking security people. I say hi. We sit down.
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 2: Everything is smooth. We got a hit in five minutes. Okay, great.
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 2: Everybody's there. The sound guy's on point. Everything is on point.
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 3: It's so easy.
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 2: And it's like the production in the truck is so
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 2: fucking good. They always have the right angle. Giordano is
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 2: always on the case when it comes to like getting
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 2: the right angle for a submission or getting the right
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 2: angle for replays. If I ask for something, I got
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 2: it right away. Like, like I'll push the button, you know,
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 2: let me hear his corner.
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 2: Cause it's boom. They're right on it. It's they're the
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 2: best high level. They're the best. And you notice that
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 2: when you see other promotions, it's like the other promotions,
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 2: the camera works on as good. It's like, it's the
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 2: machine is so good. And, It's become like the NFL. Like,
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 2: I know the XFL exists. I've never even fucking heard
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 2: of a game. I've never even heard of a game.
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 2: Name one player. No one's even brought up a game
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 2: that's going to happen. Never. I know it's a thing. Never.
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 2: And the problem with casuals, that's the same with the PFL.
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 2: Even though the PFL's fucking got really good fighters. There's
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 2: really good fighters in the PFL. Far cry from the UFC,
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 2: but yeah. Some of them are really good, man. That
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 2: cat that just knocked out Hennep Farrar, the guy who's
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 2: the heavyweight... That is Fedor's protege. Oh, yeah, yeah, the
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 2: Russian cat. Bro. He's good. Bro. He's good. In the
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 2: UFC's fucking shallow-ass heavyweight division, we could use that cat.
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 2: We could use him. I'd like to show up at
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 2: that dude's hotel room in a fucking briefcase full of money. Like,
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 2: let's go, dawg.
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 3: But yeah, my thing with the UFC and when you
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 3: talk about the staff and you got to give them
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 3: their flowers, they're the only one that's figured it out.
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 2: They're the best. By far the best. It's the best
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 2: organization by far. And they deserve to be rich because
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 2: of that. They've made an incredible product. So do the fighters, though.
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 2: I think your product is entirely dependent on the fighters. Now,
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 2: this is my position with my comedy club. So my
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 2: comedy club pays different than every comedy club. The fighters,
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 2: the fighters, the comedians make most of the money when
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 2: it comes to the door. That's how it should be.
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 3: But let me ask you this, Joe. And if it's
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 3: too much, like, dude, get the fuck out of it.
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 3: But is your is the mothership compared to the comedy store,
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 3: the improv?
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 2: Are you guys crushing them? It's doing really well. I mean,
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 2: the Comedy Store is always going to be one of
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 2: the great clubs on Earth. It's a legendary club. It's
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 2: dependent upon who's there. The difference between the way the
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 2: Comedy Store does it and the way we do it.
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 2: is that we bring in national headliners for the weekend.
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 2: Like the weekend, it might be Dave Attell.
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 2: This week is Tony Rock.
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 3: Is there another club that does that? Is there, because
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 3: the coming store is a little different because you have
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 3: your regulars. Is there another club that does that?
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 1: Sure.
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 2: Most clubs do that for the weekends, but the thing is,
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 2: they don't have the same lineup for the weekdays. Yeah,
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 2: I know. So the weekdays, we've got Shane Gillis, Ron White,
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 2: Tony Hinchcliffe, Kill Tony's there every Monday. It's a different setup.
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying. Is there anybody doing that?
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 3: Because the comics have to be, but my whole point is,
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 3: however you run your business, it's like, Is the model
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 3: where you're doing it, where the comics are making the
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 3: majority of the money, is that a sustainable business?
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 2: 100%. It makes money. If we take Joe.
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 3: Rogan out of it and some dude wants to start
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 3: a club and did the same thing, is that going
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 3: to be profitable? No.
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 2: You have to have the talent, but that's the difference.
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 2: It's like the thing with the PFL versus the UFC.
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 2: You have to have the talent, right? And the reason
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 2: why our club works is because– Look, it's pure luck.
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 2: It's pure luck. Everything had to line up. We had
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 2: to hit every green light. COVID had to happen. The
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 2: comedy store had to get shut down. All the employees
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 2: from the comedy store had to get fired. We had
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 2: to not be able to do stand-up in L.A. I
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 2: had to be worried about my family and the crime
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 2: and the riots. And then the COVID shit where everyone
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 2: was wearing a mask. I was like, this is bananas.
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 2: And then moving to Texas or just visiting Texas.
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 3: But you got to give yourself credit. Like luck, yes,
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 3: but you were also the guy that had the idea
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 3: to do it. Most people wouldn't pull that trigger. You
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 3: didn't have to do that.
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 2: That is true. But it's all a lot of luck
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 2: because it had to happen at the right time. It
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 2: had to happen at a time in my career where
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 2: I had a lot of money. So it had to
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 2: happen when the Spotify deal took place. So I had
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 2: all this money. Yeah. And then it all had a
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 2: lineup where I was already the number one podcast in
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 2: the world. So I could easily get people to come.
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 3: Because of you, Joe. I understand.
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 2: I get the like thing. But it had the line.
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 2: And you're humble. No, no, no. I'm just being honest.
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 2: Like it had a line up. So I couldn't have
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 2: done it on my own. I had to come here.
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 2: And Ron White was already here. So Ron White's a
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 2: big reason why the club. I mean, he's one of
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 2: the main reasons why I moved.
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 3: I know.
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 2: Because I was like, yeah, even if I never do
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 2: comedy again and I was really wondering if we're ever
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 2: going to do comedy again. Ron's here. I'll hang out
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 2: with Ron. We'll have laughs. Yeah. So when I moved
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 2: here and then all of a sudden Tony moved here
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 2: and then Tom Segura moved here and Brian Simpson moved
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 2: here and Hassan moved here and Derek Poston moved here.
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 2: And it was like, oh, shit, we got something cooking.
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 2: And then Tim Dillon came here and then it was like, oh,
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 2: my God. And then Duncan Trussell moved here. I was like,
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 2: holy shit. Well, they're moving because you're here. I understand.
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 2: You're the mothership.
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 2: But they had to do it before the mothership even opened.
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 3: Take a shot.
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 2: They all moved before the mothership opened. Shane moved after
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 2: the mothership opened. But they all came in early and
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 2: trusted me. Yes. And so I was like, okay, these guys,
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 2: I owe them. They took a chance with their future.
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 2: I have to throw everything into this and all together
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 2: we'll do it. Yeah. So it's our club. It's really
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 2: our club. But it had to happen in a way
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 2: where I had this– disposable money I had disposable income
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 2: where I could do it and it wouldn't hurt me
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 2: and then I could set it up in a way
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 2: where the comics make so much money so that way
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 2: you encourage people to stay so there's so many people
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 2: that are there all week long during the week they
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 2: don't have to go do shows other places they can
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 2: make money at their home club you're doing it.
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 3: Right I guess my example like can the UFC do
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 3: that because my example for you it's like can these
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 3: other comic clubs do that and sustain and grow and
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 3: have money.
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 2: They could in New York and they might be able
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 2: to do it in LA So I don't think you
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 2: could do it in L.A. right now because the store
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 2: is open. And the store is always going to be
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 2: the premier club in the world. It's always legendary. So
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 2: it's on Sunset Strip. Even though L.A. is falling apart,
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 2: it's still the legendary destination for stand-up comedy. It's one
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 2: of the main reasons why I was excited to move
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 2: to L.A. It was Mecca. It was when I was
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 2: a beginner and an open mic-er in 1988. They would
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 2: talk about the store like it was Mecca, like you
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 2: had to go to the store.
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 3: They still do, though.
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 2: I don't think that's ever gone away.
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 1: Of course.
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 2: It's– The store comes and goes in cycles. It always does.
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 2: It always goes in cycles depending on who's in town,
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 2: who's there. It's a very– all comedy clubs are dependent
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 2: upon what talent is in town during the weekdays. And
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 2: if you don't bring in talent on the weekends, that's
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 2: the difference. So the store doesn't bring in headliners for
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 2: the weekend like the way our club does. I told Scott,
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 2: Scott Shore. I was like– I think– no, it was Peter.
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 3: Sorry.
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 2: Sorry. I told Peter Shore. I was like, I think
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 2: you guys should do that. I think you should like bring.
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 3: In– But do they have to though? Because you can
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 3: still go on a Saturday night and you'll see big names.
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 2: Yes, you will. Big names. But you could have those
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 2: people there still as well. Like they could also do
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 2: shows with that person and you have two other rooms.
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 2: And that's what you guys– You have the OR and
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 2: you have the belly room. You have three rooms in
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 2: one location. Like you could still have– The OR filled
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 2: with top talent because they don't give a fuck where
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 2: they're performing in the big stage or the little stage.
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 2: In fact, most of us prefer the little stage. The
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 2: OR is an amazing room. But the thing is, it's
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 2: like you have to have enough talent in town. And
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 2: a lot of people moved out of L.A. A lot
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 2: of people moved out. Joey Diaz moved out of L.A.
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 2: Like a lot of people moved out. Theo moved out.
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 2: A lot of people moved out. So the problem is
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 2: you would have to have enough talent there and then
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 2: you would have to have talent that was there all
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 2: the time like us. Like we're at the club all
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 2: the time.
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 3: I think– and going back to if the UFC could
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 3: do this, like they're profiting so much now.
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 2: There's no reason to. I understand. That's the other issue.
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 2: This is the problem. Do you want to hear my
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 2: idea though? This is rational.
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 3: Do you want to hear my idea?
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And you might be like you're out of your
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 2: fucking mind. OK.
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 3: And it's– and again, I'm not– Nothing. You cut my
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 3: fucking wrist right now. Bob O'Reilly spills out. I fucking
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 3: bleed UFC. I made my entire career. When that Paramount
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 3: deal was announced, and I'm a wild boy, when that
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 3: Paramount deal was announced, what I would have done is,
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 3: and this is the issue why things will never change,
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 3: I would have talked to all the managers, all the fighters,
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 3: and said, we're not fighting another fight. They just signed
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 3: a huge deal, $ 7.
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 2: 7 million.
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 3: If you guys want to get your equal share of
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 3: nobody's agreeing to a fight bout, to a fight card,
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 3: unless we get, I don't know, someone's going to figure
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 3: out 30%. So it's 18% right now. If we go
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 3: up 30%, which they're still going to have profit, if
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 3: they agree to that, then we'll fight. But there's no
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 3: deal if we don't fight. Those days are over now,
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 3: so you missed the mark. Now you're going to say, yeah,
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 3: but they can get other guys to do that. And
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 3: I'm saying across the board, we all agree that, As fighters,
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 3: we're not going to fucking move an inch.
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 2: If you can get fighters to agree to that, it
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 2: would work. That's the problem. It'll never happen. Not in
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 2: a million years.
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 3: That was my idea.
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 2: Then here's the other thought. Rally the troops. Dana White
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 2: has this thought about fighters that when they get paid
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 2: too much and they get rich, their careers end earlier. Oh,
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 2: that's the other— Armand Saroukian. And he's right. Yeah. And
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 2: he's right.
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 3: Well, there's Armand, who's Bruce Wayne, but for the most part,
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 3: he's right. Don't go through anybody's career.
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 2: He's kind of right. He's kind of right, but it
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 2: doesn't matter. That's on them. Yeah, agree. That's on them. Yeah,
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 2: that's fair. Yeah. I mean, he's right, but you can't
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 2: protect them unless— You have a bonus that you're going
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 2: to pay them out when they retire. And they're not
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 2: going to do that. But the other thing, I think
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 2: Sean Shelby said this. It might have been McManier.
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 3: One of them was like, the other issue we have
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 3: is when guys get paid a lot and then we
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 3: offer them fights, we're not getting the fights we want
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 3: to make. Once they have that goose egg, they're like,
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 3: I'm not fighting that fucking guy.
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 2: It's a nightmare. I know.
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 3: But again, you can't base it off of that because
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 3: I'm sure there's some guys who will do it.
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 2: And you fuck with them.
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 3: But it's not a reason not to pay them.
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 2: Listen, it's... All this is hippie talk. But I feel
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 2: like if I owned the UFC, I would not feel
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 2: good if people didn't feel compensated correctly. This is just
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 2: my feeling. And I'm not a good businessman. If you
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 2: want to be a good businessman, you got to make
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 2: the most money possible. I don't know, Joe. You've done
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 2: pretty fucking well, Bubba. A lot of luck. A lot
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 2: of luck.
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 3: You got to quit saying luck. You're driving me nuts.
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 2: No, but it is. You're driving me nuts, dude.
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 3: You work harder than anybody else.
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 2: Well, I work hard when I, listen, I stick with
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 2: things and I have a good work ethic. That is true.
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 2: That's half the battle, Bubba. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I'm
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 2: not like a businessman in the sense of like if
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 2: I was running a business like that, I wouldn't treat
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 2: it the same way. I wouldn't say I'm trying to
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 2: make the most money possible. I would say I got money.
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 2: And let's just make this motherfucker the greatest thing of
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 2: all time and make everybody feel good about it.
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but again, I don't know the in and outs.
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 3: I don't know if you can run an organization like
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 3: that and be profitable.
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 2: I don't know. Well, it would be profitable, but it
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 2: wouldn't be as profitable. And that's the thing when you
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 2: have shareholders. So when you have shareholders, you have an
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 2: obligation to your shareholders to maximize your profits.
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 3: And this is the only knock on the UCI I
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 3: have is in order to get that $ 7. 7 billion deal,
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 3: you have to put on whatever it is, 45 fight
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 3: cards a year.
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 3: So like those fight nights. So now- You don't really
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 3: have the talent or the stars to fulfill those cards.
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 3: But because you made this deal with Paramount, now you're
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 3: getting just– you're signing these contender series kids who have
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 3: three fights, four fights where 10 years ago, those boys
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 3: ain't sniffing the UFC. It was so hard to get in.
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 3: But now because we have to fulfill those cards, you're
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 3: getting a lower level of talent.
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, here's what's interesting. So one of the players
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 2: in the purchasing of the UFC, of the rights to
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 2: the UFC, was Netflix. They were one of the players. Interesting.
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 2: They were one of the people that were thinking about
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 2: doing it. Um, so there was negotiations with them. There's
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 2: negotiations with ESPN and ultimately Paramount was like this wild
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 2: dark horse. They came around with the big money.
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 3: And I like Paramount.
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 2: I have no issues.
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 2: Look, I love ads are weird, but whatever. I love
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 2: mob land. I love land. Land man. Yeah. Mob land
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 2: is fucking great. Everyone's that. Fuck.
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 1: Fuck.
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Great.
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 3: He's an Audi. He's R6 in that.
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 1: So bad. Me too.
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 3: I was trying to convince my wife.
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 2: I never wanted a wagon until I saw Tom Hardy
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 2: drive that. They're fucking sick. They're so sick. It's a
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 2: great show. But Paramount has awesome shows. So it makes sense.
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 2: I already had it. Great. Perfect. I love the fact
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 2: there's no pay-per-view. But what's interesting about Netflix not doing
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 2: it– because I think Netflix didn't want the– I might
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 2: be talking out of school, but I'll just say it.
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 2: I believe what I heard– here's the caveat– is that
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 2: Netflix did not want the small fights. They did not
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 2: want fight night. Good for them. Yeah. They only wanted
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 2: the big ones. They're like, get that shit out of here. Well,
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 2: some of the fight nights are fucking awesome. We like
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 2: them because we're degenerate.
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 3: Right. The public's like, who the fuck are these guys?
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 2: And the Apex, there's no one there. Yeah.
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 3: I love that Netflix is like, we'll take these.
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 2: I love the Apex fights. I love it all. I've
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 2: been planning on going to an Apex fight card. I'm
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 2: trying to find the right one just to go and watch.
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 3: I'll go with you.
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 2: Let's fucking go. I would love that. I just want
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 2: to go to watch because they'll let you in if
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 2: you come with me. Yeah. I feel like I don't
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 2: have any enemies there anymore. I kind of stood by
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 2: the fact they didn't want the volume. That's it. That's
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 2: how they said it, which we understood from the get-go.
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 2: Ted Sarandos, who I love. Bella Bajaria. I don't know her.
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 2: We're very upfront with that. We're looking for big events.
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 2: So the fact that you could give us one pay-per-view,
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 2: which is just... We were just going to put on
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 2: the platform for free as long as you're a subscriber.
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 2: As long as you just give us that, we're in.
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 2: We'll pay premium for it. But we don't want to
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 2: carry the other 30 fight nights.
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 3: They said we don't want the bullshit.
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 2: Here's the thing. But then where would those 30 fight
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 2: nights go? That's the question.
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 3: But then that fulfills PFL, Bellator, or you– Fight Pass.
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Fight Pass. Fight Pass. You could do that. Fight Pass.
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 3: But to– again, the business side of it– The Zufa
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 3: or TKO is going, well, hold on. The reason we
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 3: get such a big nut, $ 7. 7 billion, because we offer
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 3: so much content. You guys are trying to do what
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 3: our game plan was 15 years ago, which are just
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 3: one big fight every once a month, which for the
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 3: fans is fucking awesome.
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 2: It makes sense for Zufa. And it makes sense for Netflix.
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 2: I get it. All of it makes sense. It just
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 2: wasn't a fit. But what I was getting at is
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 2: now it's interesting because Netflix has got a lot of money.
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 2: Netflix throws some money around, right? And Netflix has a
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 2: tremendous amount of subscribers. And now Netflix is in the
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 2: MMA game.
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 3: I'm glad you brought that up. Have you heard anybody
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 3: talk about it?
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 2: Keep going. Us? Dorks like you and me? Keep going. No.
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 2: No one in the real world is talking about it
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 2: to me. But that's okay. The point is they're going
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 2: to do it, and just because it's on Netflix, I
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 2: guarantee you millions of people will watch it. I bet
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 2: they'll have a hard time selling live tickets. Let's see
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 2: if it's sold out.
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 3: It's definitely not, and the tickets are $ 88. But this
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 3: is where it gets tricky because the more places fighters
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 3: have to go, the better because UFC has no competition.
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 3: It's a monopoly. All good, which NFL is, NBA is.
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 3: I have no issues with that. Right. So if fighters,
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 3: big-name fighters have a place to go and can get paid.
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 2: I'm all for it. Right.
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 3: The issue with Netflix and getting MMA, it's like my
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 3: thing would be, well, what's the plan here?
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 3: So Ronda and Gina fight this weekend. You got two
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 3: four-year-olds fighting the main event.
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 3: It's going to get good numbers. But again– and you
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 3: know this. You've been in business with Netflix. They're not
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 3: going to give you the real numbers, right? When you negotiate,
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 3: they don't give you the real numbers.
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 2: No, they don't tell you shit. They don't tell you.
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 2: They say, you did great.
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 3: They don't tell you. But then all of a sudden,
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 3: Jake Paul did 400 million people.
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 2: I'm like– Really? Did he? So they're going to say. Well,
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 2: Jake Paul can say that, right? Did Netflix say that?
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 3: Netflix said this.
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 2: No, Netflix said 400 million people watch it. Some bullshit
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 2: like that.
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 3: Some bullshit.
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 2: How many people have Netflix? I don't think they have
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 2: that many.
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 3: I made up a crazy number, but it's a ton
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 3: of people.
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 1: That last article said that they have over 300 million subscribers.
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 2: So 100 million people were hiring it. So say 100 million. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 3: So say 100. And right now, you know, and I
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 3: get Rhonda's being a promoter. She learned from Dana. She's like,
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 3: we're going to destroy the White House.
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 2: I disagree. I don't think it does. But Netflix will
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 2: tell you they did. Well, here's the thing. Even if
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 2: it gets really good numbers, Jake Paul versus Anthony Joshua,
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 2: 33 million viewers on Netflix. That's really good. That's really good.
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 2: I don't know what the Sean Strickland, Hamzak Chamayev numbers were.
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 2: They might not have been 33 million. Maybe they were.
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 2: I don't know. The thing about it being Paramount, Paramount
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 2: does not have the number of subscribers that Netflix has.
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 2: How many subscribers? I'm guessing. I might be wrong. I
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 2: think they have like 60 million, right? How many subscribers
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 2: does Paramount Plus have? But this is what you're not
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 2: taking into consideration.
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 3: Paramount and the UFC, it's only in America. So in
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 3: Canada and other– The Paramount in Europe, there's not a thing.
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 3: So what are those views now? Right.
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 2: You know, like when we're adding all this up. Can
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 2: they get Paramount in other countries?
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 3: I don't think the Paramount's in Europe and shit like that.
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 3: They're watching on like Sky Sports, I think, out there.
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 2: They have a different deal.
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 3: Oh, interesting.
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 2: And then Australia, I think, still has pay-per-view. Interesting. I
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 2: think you're right. I think you're right. Okay, 79 million subscribers.
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 2: So that's a big difference between, it says globally. Yeah,
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 2: half of them are in the U.S., 35 million are
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 2: in the U.S. Are there any countries where Paramount is
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 2: not in? Let's put that into– Yeah.
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 1: But I still think that UFC deal was just for
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 1: the U.S.
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just for the U.S.
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 2: Just for the U.S.
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 2: OK.
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 3: Because UK is Sky Sports.
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 2: So that means there's only 35 million people that it's reaching, period.
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 2: So they'll never get to the Jake Paul number, the
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 2: Jake Paul number of the Anthony Joshua fight. If that's
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 2: an accurate number, 33 million, they're never going to get
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 2: to that. But remember the White House is also on CBS. Yeah.
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 2: That's different. How many people have CBS? How many people
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 2: are watching regular TV? That's wild. I mean, maybe they
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 2: might 30 more views. Oh, my dad's crunk. My dad's crunk.
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 3: That shit's on Channel 4 in Denver, Colorado.
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 2: Use your rabbit ears.
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 3: Pick it up.
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 2: They still have regular TV, man. Regular TV is crazy.
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 3: Crazy.
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 2: Like some people have to fucking move the antenna. The
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 2: signal's coming in bad.
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 3: Crazy.
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 2: There's some people out there with regular TV. Yeah.
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 1: That's wild.
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 2: Where they only have the four channels. That's crazy.
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 3: And they're just getting their news from like, you know.
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 2: Robots.
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 3: Fox and fucking.
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 2: They don't even get Fox. Fox is cable. That's right. Yeah.
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 2: Regular TV, you ain't getting jack shit. They can swear
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 2: on Fox. Can they? I believe so. Because if it's
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 2: on cable, I think you're allowed to swear. Oh, wow.
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 2: I think so.
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but I don't think Fox is. Well, there's a
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 1: broadcast version of Fox, though.
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 2: Right, but is it regulated?
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 1: But if it's broadcast, it is. That's the whole.
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 2: But Fox still is cable. Right, but broadcast and cable.
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 2: So what do you mean by there's a broadcast version?
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 2: So there's a version.
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 1: It all has to do with over the air. What's
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 1: available through the air.
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 1: That's what the FCC is.
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 2: So the broadcast version meaning that you could just get
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 2: it with a regular antenna?
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there's like a local Fox.
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 2: Oh, okay. Okay. You're right. You're right. You're right.
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 1: Okay. It came way later.
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 2: That's right. I'm so old. I remember when Fox was
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 2: just cable. Channel 31.
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 3: I remember we wanted to show The Simpsons and Married
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 3: With Children.
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 2: Simpsons too. Maybe it was broadcast back then. Maybe I'm wrong.
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 2: I think I am.
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 1: It was hard to get. It wasn't the strongest of
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 1: signals in most places.
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 2: Oh, okay. But it was always broadcast. Okay.
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 3: Mine have fucking times changed now because there's like, you
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 3: talk about Mobland. There's so many dope shows. There's so
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 3: many good shows out there. But it's like hot for
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 3: like a week. And then something else comes.
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 2: There's too many things.
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 3: There's too much. There would never be Game of Thrones
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 3: or Sopranos where the entire world shuts down. We all
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 3: just kind of binge it when we want.
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 2: True.
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 3: And there's a new show here. It's not good, man.
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 1: True.
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 2: That's fact. That's fact. Try selling a show right now.
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 3: I was talking about my Gearhead's Gone Wild on Tubi.
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 3: Tubi has fucking, I think, 300 million subscribers.
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 2: They're big.
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 3: But trying to sell a show these days?
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 2: 300 million subscribers on Tubi? Tubi's fucking massive.
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 3: I didn't know either. I didn't know either.
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 2: When I first got the offer, I'm like, where? But again,
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 2: trying to sell a show.
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 3: Is fucking tough.
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 2: A car show? Tough, dude. I didn't know Tubi had
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 2: that many subscribers.
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 3: Look that up to make sure. I've been so exaggerating
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 3: this episode.
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 1: They surpassed 100 million monthly active users.
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 2: How many subscribers do they have in total?
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 3: I know the numbers are alarming.
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 2: Is it a subscriber thing or is it like a
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 2: YouTube thing? We could just like view it.
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 1: I would imagine it's tiered. It says a free ad
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 1: supported stream. service rather than subscription-based model.
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 2: It's free, but.
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 3: They have subscribed. And then you can get the non-ad
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 3: paid where you pay, I think.
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 2: Oh, okay. So you can just get it for free.
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah, like YouTube.
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 2: YouTube, right? YouTube is probably the biggest. They probably have
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 2: the most active viewers worldwide. Yeah. Not even close, right?
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 3: But then remember they tried doing like shows and it
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 3: just ate shit? Like YouTube Red. Remember YouTube Red?
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. They're like making offers. I remember YouTube Red.
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 2: That's crazy. It's interesting because just a regular show on
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 2: YouTube can do really well. Like Mr. Beast. Yeah.
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 3: But I think YouTube Red was like kind of a
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 3: little before that, right? And they're like, put your shows
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 3: on here.
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 2: They jumped the gun.
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 2: They jumped the gun. Mr.
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 3: Beast was like, or I'll just put my shit out
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 3: and everybody in the world will watch it.
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 2: The thing about it, if you put your shit on YouTube,
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 2: there's literally an infinite number of options and channels. That's
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 2: the thing. And it's completely dependent on what you see,
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 2: like the recommended for you. It's completely what you're interested in.
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 2: Everything's niche now. It's like, like there's people out there.
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 2: We don't even know. And like my kids are like,
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 2: daddy has 60 million subscribers. I'm like, what the fuck?
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 2: I know. I know. You know how much money he's making?
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 3: It's all niche.
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 2: There's that. But then there's also astroturfing. There's a lot
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 2: of these. Astroturfing is when you, you have fake. downloads
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 2: fake views you have like companies that you can hire
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 2: and they will get you views but so but here's
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 2: the thing that's gonna fuck you it'll fuck you but
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 2: but the point is people still do it and they
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 2: do it because it's you can do it right now
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 2: right and so what that means is like say if
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 2: you have like Millions and millions of subscribers. And then
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 2: you look at the views. The views are hundreds of
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 2: thousands of views. Then you look at the comments, like
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 2: five comments. Six comments. You're like, what the fuck is
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 2: going on? What's going on here?
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 3: But it's a weird thing to do because in order
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 3: to make money, YouTube sees the back end.
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 2: So if you're trying to make money off your show,
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 2: you're not going to make money. But it'll get bigger
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 2: because of the number. So here's the thing. So if
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 2: you go to like BrendanChobb.com, if you did that, if
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 2: you have Brendan Chobb's YouTube channel, And I looked at it.
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 2: I'm like, damn, he's got 25 million subscribers. I should
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 2: fucking subscribe. People do that. They'll click on it. And
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 2: they'll click on your views or your videos more often.
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 2: Because they think they're like missing out. Like, clearly this
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 2: guy's doing something right. Of course. It definitely. I'm not
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 2: saying that's responsible for all the views that you'll get
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 2: because of that. But it has an impact on how
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 2: people see you. You look more legitimate. And if you're
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 2: trying to develop sponsor deals or some sort of a
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 2: brand endorsement deal, you're like, well, I've got. 20 million
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 2: subscribers on YouTube, like, oh, this guy's That's true. Yeah,
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 2: it definitely does.
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 3: But then they're like, but there's three comments.
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 2: Well, there was scammers that were doing weird stuff in
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 2: the early days of podcasts where they would rig things
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 2: to exaggerate downloads back in the early days of audio only. Oh, buddy. Yeah. Oh, yeah.
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 3: And then someone came and regulated it.
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 2: Exactly. But it's not like we were all in on it. No, no, no.
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 3: It was someone who was running because we're all kind
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 3: of using the same audio thing. And I remember telling Brian,
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 3: I'm like, do we have 30 million fucking audio? 30
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 3: mil dude this month. And then Tom's like, yeah, I
• 1:31:55
  Speaker 3: got 60. I'm like, dude, we're crushing it. And then
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 3: someone came in. It was like, actually.
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah. What it was doing was like every time someone
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 2: clicked on it, it would count. So that like, I
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 2: I'm talking completely. If they started, stopped it. Right. Counted
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 2: over and over again as multiple listens. That's right. And
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 2: I think they do that with other things too. Like,
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 2: so you have to figure out like who the actual
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 2: number of people, but people have been accused of, You
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 2: could pay to get Instagram accounts. You can get followers.
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 2: There's companies that will get you followers. I don't know
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 2: if it's legit or legal, but I know for a
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 2: fact that some people have done that.
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 3: But doesn't Instagram in the background, doesn't YouTube, don't they
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 3: try to shut that shit down?
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 2: They definitely do. millions of bots over the weekend 100
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 2: and i i notice it sometimes i'll notice it well
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 2: lose like a hundred thousand.
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah i lost a hundred thousand yeah but yeah.
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 2: There are bots 100 and there's a ton of them
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 2: and they catch some of them but some of them
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 2: are more sophisticated in their approach and then they adjust
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 2: so once they realize what gets them caught you could
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 2: run an ai program yeah so if you run an
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 2: ai program and you have a like if you're in
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 2: fucking singapore or wherever you're at doing this You could
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 2: run an AI program that controls a bunch of different
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 2: cell phones that has a bunch of different accounts. And
• 1:33:10
  Speaker 2: you could have them even commenting on things. And you'll
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 2: notice this sometimes. And they'll be programmed to comment positive
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 2: or negative. And it seems like a fucking person, man.
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 2: But you'll see that there's like a bunch of numbers
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 2: after a couple of letters or a name like Bob567254.
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 2: And then you see like, God, I don't think Bob's
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 2: a person. And then you go to Bob's account and
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 2: you're like, there's almost no chance that Bob's a person. Meanwhile,
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 2: Bob's posting all the time and making comments on things
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 2: all the time. And most likely what this is, is
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 2: it's paid engagement. So it's not just paid views, but
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 2: because of AI and because of programs you could run.
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 2: There's the potential for paid engagement. Dialogue back and forth.
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 1: Me and Sean were talking about before you got here.
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 1: I don't know that you're aware of this, Joe. The
• 1:33:57
  Speaker 1: streamers paying for the next level of what you're describing.
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 1: So it's not AI doing it.
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 2: Have you heard of Clippers? Yes.
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 1: They're paying for– there's thousands of people that are just
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 1: sitting around at home making a shitload of money.
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 2: A ton of money.
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 1: And they're posting– Because you'll think certain people are bigger
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 1: than they are.
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 2: Like, man, I see them everywhere. It's like that's all
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 2: by design. And you can pay for that too. So
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 2: that's probably legal, right?
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 1: No? I mean, why would it– should it be?
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 2: Right. I mean it all depends on what are you–
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 2: What are you doing? Are you getting money from it?
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 2: Are you getting advertising revenue from it?
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 3: To your point, it's a false sense of fame. Because
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 3: to your point with Armin, it's like, yeah, we know
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 3: him and he's getting views online. But does that equal
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 3: actual fans?
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 2: I think it reinforces the fans that already love him. Yes.
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 2: And a few people are going to hop on board.
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 2: But as far as your general casual that will tune
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 2: in for a UFC fight card, no. Not necessarily. It's
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 2: also a younger demo, right?
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 3: Have you ever watched a stream?
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 2: No. You're older than me. No, never watched a stream.
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 2: I had a talk with a streaming company the other day.
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 2: I'm like, do what? Wait, wait. You want me to
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 2: seven days a week turn on.
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 3: A camera and air my breakfast and shit?
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 2: Like hanging out with my family? Well, the streaming thing
• 1:35:17
  Speaker 2: is nuts where people just live online. First of all,
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 2: how bad is that for your back? And you're just
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 2: ranting and raving and talking online all day. Can't be good.
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 3: But then, like, you know, we love Rampage. Rampage does it,
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 3: making stupid money.
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but, you know, it's a good move for Rampage.
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 2: You know, he's not fighting anymore. Yeah. It's a good move.
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 2: Makes sense. And he's got the Jackson podcast. That's doing well.
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 2: It's good for him to diversify, do a bunch of
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 2: different things. He's crushing other. And he's also got a
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 2: great personality. He's great. He's perfect for it. Perfect for that.
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 2: But some people, you know... It ain't their thing. Shouldn't
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 2: be doing that. But streaming is like the biggest thing. Yeah, Jamie? Yeah.
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 3: I get me sound old as fuck.
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 2: We're old. Yeah. Also, that's live. You know, it's also
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 2: it's like, what are you doing with your life? I
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 2: got things to do. I know. I can't sit in
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 2: front of the camera for five hours a day. I
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 2: don't understand how anybody does it.
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 3: But also, is it that entertaining? Like, my life's not
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 3: fucking lit 24 hours a day.
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 2: Well, they talk a lot of shit on camera, and
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 2: then they watch a bunch of things and react to things.
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 2: There's a lot of that. Like, for a lot of them, like,
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 2: for our channel, there was a lot of people that
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 2: were making a living just going on Twitch and these
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 2: other channels, these other streaming things. Streaming your shit? Streaming
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 2: my show and commenting on it. Like reaction videos. Yeah,
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 2: getting mad about things we said. But they were doing
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 2: it through the– they were playing the whole show out.
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 1: Oh.
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah. That's illegal. Well, it was very shady. It was
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 2: very weird because they were commenting on it. But it
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 2: was like your entire content was based on my content
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 2: and your reaction to my content. But it's weird. You're
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 2: dunking on me or you're pumping me up or whatever
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 2: you're doing. There was a lot of that going on.
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 2: And so then there's a lot of people that are watching.
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 2: whether it's Mr. Beast's show and commenting on that or
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 2: other shows and commenting on that. So they're watching stuff online.
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 2: Someone will send them a video of a guy getting
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 2: in a street fight to comment on that. Yeah. It's
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 2: reaction videos. And they're interacting with all these people that
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 2: are in the comments. And they're making money off of it. Yeah,
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 2: and they're talking to these people that are in the comments.
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 2: It's weird. First of all, if you think that social
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 2: media is bad for your mental health. Oh, my God.
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 3: Dude, yesterday I was driving down. I dropped my kids off,
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 3: and I was going somewhere. I was going to this–
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 3: This car shop. My truck's in the shop. And I
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 3: was driving my father-in-law's car. And I see a high
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 3: school bus. Lake Travis High School. I live right by
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 3: Lake Travis. I see a Lake Travis High School bus
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 3: pull up. I just look over.
• 1:37:39
  Speaker 2: Every single kid. Staring at their phone. On their phone. Yep.
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 3: Not talking to each other.
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 2: No.
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 3: It bummed me out so fucking bad. I know.
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 2: It's weird.
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 3: You know the fun we used to have on that bus?
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 2: I know. And no one's talking to each other. I know.
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 3: The bus is silent. I'm like, God, you guys are
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 3: doing it wrong. Well, it's not just doing it wrong.
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 3: I want to jump on that bus and be like, hey, listen,
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 3: I know I'm the old dude. You guys are fucking
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 3: up right now.
• 1:38:01
  Speaker 2: Well, you're right, but it is also where human beings
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 2: are headed. We're headed into this weird world of the
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 2: digital world, and this is the first steps. These are
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 2: the first steps we're taking by staring into a phone
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 2: all day. But we know it's not good.
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 2: No, it's not good.
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 3: So we're just going to continue to go down this
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 3: shit road?
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 2: You don't think there's anything we can do?
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 3: Nope.
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 1: Nope.
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 2: People are addicted. They're 100% addicted to their phone. I
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 2: don't see anything changing. I think if anything, it's going
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 2: to get more. invasive and then it's probably I mean
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 2: who knows just guessing what the next technology is going
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 2: to be but as this technology moves forward it's going
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 2: to get more invasive. It's going to get more you're
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 2: going to interact with more people through whatever the fuck
• 1:38:48
  Speaker 2: it is. However they're going to do it, whether it's
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 2: going to be some new tech that lets you communicate
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 2: with people with a headset and you're reading each other's
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 2: minds or whether you're hanging out together in augmented reality
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 2: or virtual reality.
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 3: And you don't think anybody is like, man, we're heading
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 3: down a terrible road.
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 2: They're not going to. No one is going to. They're
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 2: going to keep doing it. Just too much money? No,
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 2: it's just everyone is addicted and everyone uses it for
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 2: too many things. It's also a primary source of news
• 1:39:11
  Speaker 2: and information. I get all my like ideas– about like
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 2: how the world is working from social media not not
• 1:39:22
  Speaker 2: social media commentary but social media stories well someone will
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 2: post like this is going on in iran this is
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 2: going on here i get it off social media i
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 2: get it off x but you have to pick and
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 2: choose and what you pay attention to right yes dicey
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 2: and you got to find people that are not full
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 2: of shit and not click engagement because there's a lot
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 2: of click a lot of just clickbait bullshit majority is
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 2: yeah there's a lot of that but You also find
• 1:39:44
  Speaker 2: breaking news and you also find things that you wouldn't
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 2: know about, you know, like certain stories and certain things
• 1:39:51
  Speaker 2: that are happening in the news and certain really crazy stories.
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 2: They're like, how am I not hearing about this? This
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 2: is– this should be fucking huge.
• 1:39:59
  Speaker 3: But you don't think it's going to be like– and
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 3: I know we have to use it. You don't think
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 3: it's going to be kind of like cigarettes like in
• 1:40:04
  Speaker 3: the 60s where everyone was doing it and then eventually–
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 3: The parents of those kids– I'm sorry. The children of
• 1:40:09
  Speaker 3: those parents go, what the– this is so bad for you?
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 2: If it was a substance, I would agree.
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 3: But it's addictive.
• 1:40:15
  Speaker 2: It is addictive. But the problem is it's all facets
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 2: of your life. It is your calendar. It is your email.
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 2: It is how you take pictures and all your memories.
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 2: It is how you interact with a lot of people.
• 1:40:27
  Speaker 2: There's a lot of people. I don't even have their
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 2: phone numbers. I just– they DM me and I DM them.
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 2: I have friendships with people that are just DMs. So
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 2: it's– there's that. But that's basically the problem is that
• 1:40:42
  Speaker 2: it's a giant part of the world now where cigarettes
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 2: never really were. We're relying on it. Yeah. You could–
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 2: there was a bunch of people who didn't smoke. Even
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 2: when people smoked cigarettes– like let's look this up. Throw
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 2: this into perplexity, young Jamie, please. During the height of
• 1:40:58
  Speaker 2: smoking in the United States, what percentage of adults smoked?
• 1:41:02
  Speaker 2: Let's guess. God, back in the– Back in the day,
• 1:41:05
  Speaker 2: whenever it was the nuttiest, like in the 50s or whatever,
• 1:41:09
  Speaker 2: I think it was 50%. That'd be high, right? Crazy high. 30%?
• 1:41:13
  Speaker 2: Crazy high. I was thinking like 33%. But it might
• 1:41:17
  Speaker 2: be higher because those old days, man, everybody had a
• 1:41:20
  Speaker 2: cigarette in their hand. Johnny Carson Show. Everyone. Yeah. People
• 1:41:24
  Speaker 2: walking on the street. Smoke on planes. Smoke on buses.
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 2: Smoke on trains.
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 2: Everybody was walking down the street smoking. But what percentage
• 1:41:30
  Speaker 2: of those people were doing it?
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 1:41:33
  Speaker 2: Okay. 40 to 45. Wow. In the mid-1960s, the height
• 1:41:38
  Speaker 2: of cigarette use in the U.S., roughly 40 to 45%
• 1:41:42
  Speaker 2: of adults smoked, which works out to the order of
• 1:41:44
  Speaker 2: 80 to 90 million adults.
• 1:41:46
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 1:41:47
  Speaker 3: That's a shit ton.
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 2: That's incredible. That's incredible. American Lung Association summary notes that
• 1:41:52
  Speaker 2: adult smoking has fallen from around 40 to 43% in
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 2: 1965 to about 11 to 12% in 2022. I think
• 1:41:56
  Speaker 2: it's back. I think people are smoking it. Really?
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 3: I feel like it's lower.
• 1:42:03
  Speaker 2: I think people are smoking. I see it a lot now.
• 1:42:06
  Speaker 1: Just outlawed it in San Francisco. Outside.
• 1:42:09
  Speaker 2: That's hilarious.
• 1:42:10
  Speaker 1: That's gay.
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 2: That's San Francisco. That's gay. That makes sense. The San
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 2: Francisco tree. Well, you hear what they're doing in the UK?
• 1:42:17
  Speaker 2: If you were born before or after a certain date,
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 2: you can't buy cigarettes when you turn 21.
• 1:42:26
  Speaker 3: Just to stop people from- Exactly.
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 2: So people that were born in like fucking whatever year,
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 2: whatever year they set it at, when they turn 21,
• 1:42:34
  Speaker 2: they will not be able to buy cigarettes.
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 3: Just trying to eliminate cigarettes.
• 1:42:37
  Speaker 2: But you'll be able to buy cigarettes because you were
• 1:42:39
  Speaker 2: born at a different time. They say, oh, you're retarded.
• 1:42:41
  Speaker 2: You don't know any better. You can buy cigarettes.
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 3: That's so stupid.
• 1:42:43
  Speaker 2: It's communism. It's socialism.
• 1:42:46
  Speaker 3: Didn't they just run out the fucking– was it prime
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 3: minister or the fuck they called him?
• 1:42:50
  Speaker 2: He's still there. I thought they ran him out to
• 1:42:51
  Speaker 2: bring somebody else in. They probably want to. They want to. Yeah,
• 1:42:54
  Speaker 2: but the point is it's like that kind of woke socialism.
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 2: It's like it's the government telling you what to do.
• 1:43:01
  Speaker 2: When I say communism, I don't mean like they take
• 1:43:04
  Speaker 2: all your money because they'll definitely do that eventually too.
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 2: But what they do is they tell you what you
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 2: can say. Correct. They tell you what you can do.
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 2: They tell you what medications you have to take. It's
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 2: all socialized medicine. They tell you what to do and
• 1:43:16
  Speaker 2: what to say and how to think. And they're going
• 1:43:18
  Speaker 2: to protect you. Protecting someone from cigarettes while you're selling
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 2: them alcohol is fucking bananas. So dumb. It's bananas. It's dumb.
• 1:43:28
  Speaker 3: But England's lost their way, man.
• 1:43:30
  Speaker 2: They've lost their way. Identity, it's a fucking shit show. Well,
• 1:43:32
  Speaker 2: they're arresting people like crazy for posting on social media
• 1:43:36
  Speaker 2: about the immigration crisis, primarily. Also other things, but criticizing
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 2: the government. And now they threw away jury trials for
• 1:43:44
  Speaker 2: those things. So now it's a judge. And so you
• 1:43:47
  Speaker 2: don't even get people like you, your peers, to sit
• 1:43:50
  Speaker 2: there and go, no, this fucking guy shouldn't go to jail.
• 1:43:52
  Speaker 2: His daughter got attacked by some immigrants and he said
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 2: some wild shit about immigrants and No, he shouldn't be
• 1:43:58
  Speaker 2: in jail for that.
• 1:43:58
  Speaker 3: But my thing– like what's the agenda? Just to ruin–
• 1:44:02
  Speaker 3: just ruin the fucking– Control.
• 1:44:04
  Speaker 2: So shrink you down to 15-minute cities. They're implementing that
• 1:44:08
  Speaker 2: in part of the UK. The other thing is a
• 1:44:10
  Speaker 2: digital credit system, right? So a digital credit score, a
• 1:44:15
  Speaker 2: social score and some sort of centralized digital currency, which
• 1:44:20
  Speaker 2: I think we're probably– they're probably going to try to
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 2: move us all into eventually. But If they can attach
• 1:44:25
  Speaker 2: your social credit score with this digital currency, then you
• 1:44:29
  Speaker 2: have what they have in China. So in China, if
• 1:44:31
  Speaker 2: you fuck up and you do something stupid, guess what, fuckface?
• 1:44:35
  Speaker 2: You can't buy a plane ticket. That's wild.
• 1:44:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:44:38
  Speaker 2: You can't get a loan.
• 1:44:39
  Speaker 3: You can't get a house.
• 1:44:40
  Speaker 2: And it keeps people in line. And then the government
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 2: can do its job without protests. Dude, can I piss
• 1:44:45
  Speaker 2: real quick? Let's piss. I've had two fucking energy drinks.
• 1:44:48
  Speaker 2: We'll be right back, folks.
• 1:44:50
  Speaker 1: Ah.
• 1:44:51
  Speaker 2: And we're back. So much better.
• 1:44:52
  Speaker 1: I know.
• 1:44:52
  Speaker 2: It's hard to concentrate when you have to piss. Bro,
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 2: you were talking. I was like, oh, man. I don't
• 1:44:56
  Speaker 2: want to hear this.
• 1:44:56
  Speaker 3: I don't want to piss my pants.
• 1:44:58
  Speaker 2: What were we talking about? Let's talk about your show.
• 1:45:01
  Speaker 3: We have Cigar Brother?
• 1:45:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:45:04
  Speaker 3: Hold on. Dude, last time I smoked it backwards, I
• 1:45:07
  Speaker 3: got roasted so hard online.
• 1:45:10
  Speaker 2: I know. I didn't notice.
• 1:45:12
  Speaker 3: I didn't notice, but maybe I just smoke them backwards
• 1:45:14
  Speaker 3: from now on.
• 1:45:15
  Speaker 2: Switch it up. It is funny, though. But it's really
• 1:45:20
  Speaker 2: the same. It's just where the label is.
• 1:45:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, man.
• 1:45:23
  Speaker 2: What are these? I'm a rebel. Smoke it backwards. You
• 1:45:27
  Speaker 2: are a rebel. There you go, fella. Thanks, brother. Here's
• 1:45:33
  Speaker 2: the clipper. You know how this works.
• 1:45:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, thanks.
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 2: Make sure you clip the right spot. That one. There
• 1:45:40
  Speaker 2: you go. Yeah. This cigar is different because it's not
• 1:45:44
  Speaker 2: a torpedo like the other one. So the other one.
• 1:45:47
  Speaker 2: You could get more confused because both ends were pointy.
• 1:45:50
  Speaker 2: Do you know how to do that? Yeah. Do you
• 1:45:51
  Speaker 2: need help? No, I got a big time.
• 1:45:52
  Speaker 3: No, I'm... Dude, you know how many cigars I've smoked?
• 1:45:56
  Speaker 2: Only in here. Oh, you light it.
• 1:46:01
  Speaker 3: That's right.
• 1:46:05
  Speaker 2: So your show. So your show is on 2B.
• 1:46:08
  Speaker 3: 2B.
• 1:46:08
  Speaker 2: Hey, so light this part, right? Well, no, but this part.
• 1:46:13
  Speaker 2: Which part? Yeah, light that part.
• 1:46:14
  Speaker 3: It's fucking.
• 1:46:16
  Speaker 2: Tricky, right?
• 1:46:17
  Speaker 1: No?
• 1:46:17
  Speaker 2: No. Just retarded? Yeah. Light the part that you didn't cut.
• 1:46:28
  Speaker 2: What is it called? What's your show called? Gary Head's
• 1:46:30
  Speaker 2: Gone Wild.
• 1:46:31
  Speaker 3: Oh, that's right.
• 1:46:32
  Speaker 2: Just like Girls Gone Wild. Same text and everything. Is
• 1:46:37
  Speaker 2: that a problem? No, hell no.
• 1:46:38
  Speaker 3: That guy's, I think, on the lam in Mexico. I
• 1:46:42
  Speaker 3: think we're good.
• 1:46:43
  Speaker 2: Is he really?
• 1:46:43
  Speaker 3: Is he hiding? Yeah, I think so.
• 1:46:46
  Speaker 2: Either way, we're good. Didn't he get, like, kidnapped and
• 1:46:48
  Speaker 2: they fucking sodomized him?
• 1:46:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah. It turned out pretty sad for him. Yeah,
• 1:46:55
  Speaker 3: it's a car. I mean, it's shit we would be
• 1:46:58
  Speaker 3: doing anyways, you know? And then they wanted to make
• 1:47:00
  Speaker 3: a TV show out of it. So, like, I went
• 1:47:02
  Speaker 3: to Calvo, Calvo Vipers. He scared the shit out of me.
• 1:47:06
  Speaker 3: Calvo Vipers. I went to the biggest Porsche collection in Austin.
• 1:47:10
  Speaker 2: I'm obsessed with Safari Porsches, man. Oh, you like those?
• 1:47:13
  Speaker 1: God.
• 1:47:13
  Speaker 2: Those off-road ones? I think Russell makes them. Russell.
• 1:47:17
  Speaker 3: I forget the exact name, but Russell does it.
• 1:47:19
  Speaker 2: I don't know what the fuck it is. When it's an.
• 1:47:22
  Speaker 3: Off-road, just that vibe, I don't know what it is, dude.
• 1:47:27
  Speaker 3: I fucking love them, man.
• 1:47:29
  Speaker 2: Why do you love the off-road ones? I don't know.
• 1:47:30
  Speaker 2: I don't know. Is there a dirt track where you
• 1:47:32
  Speaker 2: could take a Porsche off-road car to? Oh, I'm sure. Where?
• 1:47:37
  Speaker 3: Especially in California, like Johnson Valley and all that shit.
• 1:47:40
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:47:41
  Speaker 3: But out here, there's places out here people have been
• 1:47:43
  Speaker 3: hitting me up about.
• 1:47:44
  Speaker 2: Right, but when you go off-roading generally, you're going off-roading
• 1:47:48
  Speaker 2: with a truck where you can bounce over rocks and shit.
• 1:47:52
  Speaker 2: You can't really do that in an off-road Porsche. That's
• 1:47:54
  Speaker 2: like more for those crazy mountain roads that are in
• 1:47:57
  Speaker 2: the dirt. Yeah, that's a Jakar, right?
• 1:47:59
  Speaker 3: Russell Bilt Fab.
• 1:48:00
  Speaker 2: Ooh, that's dope looking. Dude, some dad had one at
• 1:48:03
  Speaker 2: the baseball game. That's a 993? Yeah. Oh, wow. So
• 1:48:07
  Speaker 2: they took a 993 and ooh, that's pretty. It's my
• 1:48:13
  Speaker 2: favorite thing in the world.
• 1:48:14
  Speaker 3: Wow. I don't know why.
• 1:48:15
  Speaker 2: Look at the wheel wells. That's crazy.
• 1:48:19
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 1:48:19
  Speaker 3: Perfect.
• 1:48:20
  Speaker 2: Daily driver, too. You know what? I have a fucking
• 1:48:22
  Speaker 2: problem with those extra front headlights. They stick on the hood.
• 1:48:26
  Speaker 2: I do not like them. I think it fucks up
• 1:48:29
  Speaker 2: the lines of the car. Agreed.
• 1:48:31
  Speaker 3: Because you could put those on that front there. Ugh.
• 1:48:34
  Speaker 2: Just take them off. What are you doing? Driving at
• 1:48:36
  Speaker 2: night in the dark? Shut the fuck up, bitch. You
• 1:48:38
  Speaker 2: ain't really off-road. I mean, you're off-roading, but you're not
• 1:48:41
  Speaker 2: in the woods. Oh, don't get twisted. At nighttime.
• 1:48:44
  Speaker 3: Like all my trucks. I have that Ram 2500 AEV.
• 1:48:47
  Speaker 3: That thing's never seen the dirt.
• 1:48:48
  Speaker 2: Right, but that's different. That's a truck that looks fine
• 1:48:51
  Speaker 2: with the extra lights on it and shit. A Porsche?
• 1:48:54
  Speaker 2: I agree. I think it's like whenever I see those
• 1:48:56
  Speaker 2: old 911s, like the 1972s, and they have those extra
• 1:49:00
  Speaker 2: headlights on the hood, I'm like, ew, what are you doing?
• 1:49:03
  Speaker 2: You're ruining the lines of one of the most beautiful creations.
• 1:49:07
  Speaker 2: It's like a bad set of fake tits. You're like,
• 1:49:08
  Speaker 2: what are you doing? No, it's like extra fake tits.
• 1:49:10
  Speaker 2: It's like you've got two fake tits on your fucking, yeah.
• 1:49:15
  Speaker 2: You get some fucking collarbone tits. Like, get those out
• 1:49:19
  Speaker 2: of there. They don't belong there. More is not always better.
• 1:49:23
  Speaker 2: And the shape of a Porsche, especially those long nose Porsches. Oh,
• 1:49:27
  Speaker 2: it's so beautiful. The best. And when you have dumbass
• 1:49:30
  Speaker 2: fucking headlights on the hood, like, get that. It's just
• 1:49:32
  Speaker 2: not meant to be. Yeah. Get out of here. Yeah,
• 1:49:34
  Speaker 2: I like different shit.
• 1:49:35
  Speaker 3: I don't like... I agree. Those headlights do fuck up
• 1:49:38
  Speaker 3: the lines.
• 1:49:38
  Speaker 2: But like.
• 1:49:39
  Speaker 3: I'm just into different shit. I like when they swap
• 1:49:42
  Speaker 3: the LSs in the Porsches, too.
• 1:49:44
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
• 1:49:44
  Speaker 2: That's dope.
• 1:49:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:49:45
  Speaker 2: Just the sound. That chop.
• 1:49:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah. I don't know. It's shit like that, man.
• 1:49:51
  Speaker 2: I like those. A lot of people think that's heretics.
• 1:49:54
  Speaker 2: That's like, oh, my God. You should go to jail
• 1:49:56
  Speaker 2: for that. You got a water-cooled LS engine in a Porsche.
• 1:50:00
  Speaker 3: Bro, this guy's like, he's the head guy for Porsche driving.
• 1:50:04
  Speaker 3: He's driving me around. And I go, man, you ever
• 1:50:06
  Speaker 3: driven one of those LS Porsches?
• 1:50:07
  Speaker 2: And he was like. What the fuck did you just say?
• 1:50:09
  Speaker 2: And I'm like, you don't get down with those? He's like, fuck.
• 1:50:12
  Speaker 3: And I'm like, yeah, those are gay.
• 1:50:14
  Speaker 2: So gay. No, they're awesome.
• 1:50:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I just like different shit, man.
• 1:50:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Rutledge Wood had one of those. He had one
• 1:50:22
  Speaker 2: of those, what's the fucking Japanese cat that does the
• 1:50:26
  Speaker 2: Y bodies? Oh, I know what you're talking about. I
• 1:50:28
  Speaker 2: saw him. RWB? Yes. Yeah. He had one of those
• 1:50:32
  Speaker 2: with an LS in it. It was pretty sick. And
• 1:50:35
  Speaker 2: there's companies that do that.
• 1:50:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:50:37
  Speaker 2: They're sick. And it sounds incredible. It sounds like an
• 1:50:40
  Speaker 2: American muscle car. But yet it's in a car that's
• 1:50:42
  Speaker 2: like 2,000 pounds.
• 1:50:44
  Speaker 3: Dude, and all I do is search Facebook Marketplace for
• 1:50:47
  Speaker 3: RS Swap Porsches. God, you can get some good deals
• 1:50:49
  Speaker 3: because no one really wants them.
• 1:50:51
  Speaker 2: Isn't that crazy? Yeah. Because everybody wants the air-cooled. Because
• 1:50:54
  Speaker 2: the air-cooled has that raspy brrr. They are the best.
• 1:50:58
  Speaker 2: It's a wild. Air-cooled is great. It's a wild sound.
• 1:51:00
  Speaker 2: That air-cooled sound is a wild sound.
• 1:51:02
  Speaker 3: As I'm getting older, too, it's like, you know, I've
• 1:51:04
  Speaker 3: had trucks with 1,400 horsepower.
• 1:51:06
  Speaker 2: I've had cars with 1,100 horsepower.
• 1:51:10
  Speaker 3: And then if you just get an old-school Porsche air-cooled
• 1:51:14
  Speaker 3: with 250 horsepower manual. So fun.
• 1:51:17
  Speaker 2: It's all you need, dude. They're so fun. As you
• 1:51:19
  Speaker 2: get older, you're like, oh, why am I chasing this
• 1:51:21
  Speaker 2: fucking horsepower? Yeah, because it's just about driving enjoyment. It's
• 1:51:25
  Speaker 2: not about, you're not racing it.
• 1:51:27
  Speaker 1: No.
• 1:51:28
  Speaker 2: You're not on a track. Oh, dude.
• 1:51:29
  Speaker 3: I knew I had issues when I was driving my
• 1:51:31
  Speaker 3: kid to his fucking baseball game and my car was
• 1:51:35
  Speaker 3: running hot. My TRX, the 1400 horsepower, was running hot.
• 1:51:37
  Speaker 3: I converted to twin turbo, Hellcat engine. It's running on
• 1:51:43
  Speaker 3: E85 fuel. There's no E85 out there. I'm in the
• 1:51:45
  Speaker 3: middle of fucking dripping springs. I had to pull over
• 1:51:47
  Speaker 3: on the side of the road because the engine was smoking.
• 1:51:50
  Speaker 3: I just went, what the fuck am I doing, man?
• 1:51:53
  Speaker 3: Who am I doing this for? It's not like I'm
• 1:51:54
  Speaker 3: taking it to the track. Who am I doing this for?
• 1:51:57
  Speaker 2: Well, a Hennessey has 1,000, and you can drive it everywhere. Yeah,
• 1:52:01
  Speaker 2: that's probably the way to do it. Hennessey TRX or
• 1:52:03
  Speaker 2: a Hennessey Raptor.
• 1:52:05
  Speaker 3: I almost bought one of those, and then I got
• 1:52:07
  Speaker 3: that AV Ram, and I linked up with Diesel R,
• 1:52:10
  Speaker 3: and we're doing a Randy's transmission. I got a freaking
• 1:52:13
  Speaker 3: stealth bigger turbo on there, fast fuel system.
• 1:52:16
  Speaker 2: Oh, bro. Let me get my pants off.
• 1:52:18
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
• 1:52:18
  Speaker 2: I don't know if you're into that stuff.
• 1:52:20
  Speaker 3: But I'm picking it up today. It's finally done, dude.
• 1:52:23
  Speaker 2: Ooh, that sounds fun. Oh, dude, I can't fucking wait.
• 1:52:26
  Speaker 2: That sounds fun. Yeah. So the idea is you're just
• 1:52:31
  Speaker 2: driving around, going to different places, having people do different
• 1:52:34
  Speaker 2: things with cars. Yeah. Check out what people are doing,
• 1:52:38
  Speaker 2: different mods they're doing.
• 1:52:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's like that old school car shows that
• 1:52:43
  Speaker 3: we grew up on. You'll throw up facts about Porsches
• 1:52:45
  Speaker 3: or about the car. It'll just pop up with that stuff.
• 1:52:48
  Speaker 3: And that's like our boys, like Gordon Ryan was on
• 1:52:50
  Speaker 3: there with his TRX.
• 1:52:51
  Speaker 2: Oh, nice.
• 1:52:52
  Speaker 3: He has like 120,000 miles on it.
• 1:52:54
  Speaker 2: Does he really? Dude, that thing's so busted up, but
• 1:52:57
  Speaker 2: he just drives it every day.
• 1:52:58
  Speaker 3: He off-roads it.
• 1:53:00
  Speaker 2: He just.
• 1:53:01
  Speaker 3: We go in his car. I'm like, dude, I said... No, Gordon,
• 1:53:03
  Speaker 3: I'm going to tell you the same thing I tell
• 1:53:05
  Speaker 3: everybody when I get in the car with him. I
• 1:53:07
  Speaker 3: know it's for TV. I don't need you to show off.
• 1:53:09
  Speaker 3: Nobody's trying to get hurt.
• 1:53:10
  Speaker 2: He's like, I got you, man. And was just fucking
• 1:53:12
  Speaker 2: ripping this thing, dude. I'm like, I flipped one of
• 1:53:14
  Speaker 2: these things, man. It ain't fun, bud. It ain't fun.
• 1:53:17
  Speaker 3: But it's... Yeah, just shit we like, you know? And
• 1:53:20
  Speaker 3: then someone's like, you want to do a TV show
• 1:53:21
  Speaker 3: with them?
• 1:53:22
  Speaker 2: I'm like, yeah, let's ride, man. It's interesting how much
• 1:53:24
  Speaker 2: that's a male thing. There are women that are into cars,
• 1:53:27
  Speaker 2: but I don't know any women. I mean, I'm sure
• 1:53:30
  Speaker 2: they're out there, but I don't know any women that
• 1:53:31
  Speaker 2: are into cars the way we're into cars.
• 1:53:33
  Speaker 3: No. No.
• 1:53:36
  Speaker 2: Some of them, some of them like cars. They're into some,
• 1:53:39
  Speaker 2: but like for me, it's like, that is one of
• 1:53:41
  Speaker 2: the one things about having some money that is worth it.
• 1:53:46
  Speaker 2: Like I always tell people, Having a nice house is great.
• 1:53:49
  Speaker 2: It is great. There's definitely nothing wrong with having a
• 1:53:51
  Speaker 2: nice house. But after a while, it just becomes your house. Yes.
• 1:53:54
  Speaker 2: And if you're in a humble house that has a
• 1:53:57
  Speaker 2: nice kitchen and a big TV and a couch and
• 1:53:58
  Speaker 2: a nice bed to sleep on. You're set. You're kind
• 1:54:01
  Speaker 2: of set. Yeah. Like the difference in the way you
• 1:54:03
  Speaker 2: feel when you're home versus a nice house is not
• 1:54:07
  Speaker 2: much different. Agreed. The difference in driving a nice car
• 1:54:11
  Speaker 2: is like you are taking a ride to work. You
• 1:54:15
  Speaker 2: are at Disneyland.
• 1:54:16
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 1:54:16
  Speaker 2: You would wait in line to get in that car.
• 1:54:19
  Speaker 2: And you're boom, boom. And you're fucking shifting your own
• 1:54:22
  Speaker 2: gears and boom, boom. Woo! It's fun. And the shit
• 1:54:27
  Speaker 2: you have, dude. It's excitement.
• 1:54:28
  Speaker 3: I live through you because, you know, obviously we're in
• 1:54:30
  Speaker 3: different tax brackets. You know, I got to do my
• 1:54:32
  Speaker 3: thing on Facebook Marketplace and shit. I picked up tires
• 1:54:35
  Speaker 3: the other day. He goes, holy shit, Brendan Shaw buys
• 1:54:37
  Speaker 3: tires off Facebook Marketplace?
• 1:54:39
  Speaker 2: I go, yeah, dude.
• 1:54:40
  Speaker 3: Who doesn't want a fucking deal, man? Put those in
• 1:54:41
  Speaker 3: the back for me, dude. But yeah, you got one
• 1:54:45
  Speaker 3: of those Porsche.
• 1:54:45
  Speaker 2: I think it's your Gunther Porsche. Yes. And you took
• 1:54:48
  Speaker 2: a picture.
• 1:54:48
  Speaker 3: You're like, dude, I'll just sit in my garage and
• 1:54:50
  Speaker 3: stare at it. I'm like, dude, I've never.
• 1:54:52
  Speaker 2: I do. I stare at it sometimes. I sit in
• 1:54:54
  Speaker 2: the garage and look at it.
• 1:54:55
  Speaker 3: Oh, it's a fucking piece of art, man. Yeah, all
• 1:54:58
  Speaker 3: carbon fiber. Dude, when I see that type of Porsche,
• 1:55:02
  Speaker 3: like the Gunther work, Or I'll see a certain car.
• 1:55:05
  Speaker 3: I'm just like, I can't even describe the, it's like, fuck, dude.
• 1:55:11
  Speaker 3: That is so sick. Yeah.
• 1:55:13
  Speaker 2: Do you see the Gunther Works made a twin turbo
• 1:55:16
  Speaker 2: slant nose? I sent it to you. Peter Nam sent
• 1:55:20
  Speaker 2: it to me too. The owner of the company sent
• 1:55:22
  Speaker 2: it to me. Oh, you know him? Yeah. Well, I
• 1:55:24
  Speaker 2: bought it off him. I bought one off him. Not that.
• 1:55:26
  Speaker 2: Not the slant nose. I didn't know if you were
• 1:55:27
  Speaker 2: dealing with customer service. No, I deal with Peter. He's awesome.
• 1:55:31
  Speaker 2: But that's it. That car is insane. They raced that
• 1:55:35
  Speaker 2: one against a GT3 RS and it buried it. Buried
• 1:55:40
  Speaker 2: the GT3 RS. Buried it. Yeah. They did some rolling
• 1:55:45
  Speaker 2: race from 30 miles an hour and literally it just
• 1:55:49
  Speaker 2: shot ahead like the other car was parked. 1,067 horsepower?
• 1:55:53
  Speaker 2: It's nothing. It weighs nothing. What does it weigh? Please
• 1:55:58
  Speaker 2: search what does the slant-nose Gunther Works weigh. Because their
• 1:56:03
  Speaker 2: carbon fiber.
• 1:56:04
  Speaker 3: 100%.
• 1:56:06
  Speaker 2: Their carbon fiber. 2,000 something. Yeah. Yeah, I bet it's
• 1:56:11
  Speaker 2: about 2,400 pounds. 2,700.
• 1:56:13
  Speaker 1: 27.
• 1:56:13
  Speaker 2: So it's close. But the engine's probably super heavy. I
• 1:56:19
  Speaker 2: don't know if it's super heavy, but there's a lot
• 1:56:20
  Speaker 2: of jazz in there. But what engine?
• 1:56:23
  Speaker 3: Is it the? Um, I think it's a liter twin
• 1:56:27
  Speaker 3: turbo flat six.
• 1:56:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And it's air cooled, which is so nuts. A
• 1:56:33
  Speaker 2: thousand horsepower flat six air cooled engine is crazy.
• 1:56:40
  Speaker 3: Brother and people, everyone, like you talked to anyone, like
• 1:56:42
  Speaker 3: I want a thousand horsepower. You think you want a
• 1:56:45
  Speaker 3: thousand horsepower. Now it's not like your ZRX. It's not
• 1:56:48
  Speaker 3: like that. Like if you buy it or like at
• 1:56:50
  Speaker 3: my Demon 170.
• 1:56:51
  Speaker 2: From the factory. From the factory, you're good.
• 1:56:54
  Speaker 3: When you have a TRX or your Corvette or, you know,
• 1:56:58
  Speaker 3: I've had other trucks, my Ford Lightning. If you're reaching 1,000 horsepower, buddy,
• 1:57:02
  Speaker 3: you think you want those problems. You do not.
• 1:57:05
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:57:05
  Speaker 3: It's a fucking nightmare.
• 1:57:07
  Speaker 2: And then also.
• 1:57:08
  Speaker 3: Every week.
• 1:57:09
  Speaker 2: I was in the shop. Call them, buddy, doing something.
• 1:57:11
  Speaker 2: I'm like, this is exhausting. Well, this won't be like that.
• 1:57:14
  Speaker 2: Like the Gunther Works ones are reliable. I've never had
• 1:57:16
  Speaker 2: a problem with them.
• 1:57:17
  Speaker 3: No, those are great.
• 1:57:17
  Speaker 2: But the question is, does that have any traction control?
• 1:57:21
  Speaker 2: Hopefully not. Like, Jamie, could you please look up whether
• 1:57:27
  Speaker 2: or not these new Gunther Works Porsches have traction control?
• 1:57:30
  Speaker 2: I don't know how they can do that now. I
• 1:57:33
  Speaker 2: know that there's like a computer thing that you could buy.
• 1:57:36
  Speaker 2: Is Gunther's in California? Yeah.
• 1:57:38
  Speaker 3: Where are they at?
• 1:57:38
  Speaker 2: I believe so.
• 1:57:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:57:39
  Speaker 2: 99% sure they were in California.
• 1:57:41
  Speaker 3: Dude, you should connect me with him because I'd love
• 1:57:43
  Speaker 3: to do an episode with him.
• 1:57:44
  Speaker 2: A wooden shift knob pays tribute to the Porsche's motorsport carriage.
• 1:57:47
  Speaker 2: Modern electronics like motorsports grade ABS and traction control. Oh, okay. Well,
• 1:57:53
  Speaker 2: that's good. It's nice that it has ABS, too. That's dope.
• 1:57:56
  Speaker 2: That's really dope. You're going to need it. You're going
• 1:57:59
  Speaker 2: to need it. But see if you can find the
• 1:58:01
  Speaker 2: race between the GT3 RS and the slant nose. Bro,
• 1:58:05
  Speaker 2: it is... Hilarious.
• 1:58:06
  Speaker 3: That's crazy.
• 1:58:07
  Speaker 2: And the sound it makes is orgasmic. I can't imagine
• 1:58:11
  Speaker 2: how much that thing is. Wonderful. Oh, it's got to
• 1:58:12
  Speaker 2: be a million dollars. Yeah. Here's my problem with Porsche.
• 1:58:16
  Speaker 3: Even 20 years ago, my very first car I bought
• 1:58:20
  Speaker 3: when I had money, I got it from a podcast.
• 1:58:21
  Speaker 3: This was 15 years ago. I bought just your base 911.
• 1:58:25
  Speaker 3: Went to the Porsche dealer, bought a base 911. I
• 1:58:28
  Speaker 3: could afford it. It was, I don't know, 80 grand.
• 1:58:31
  Speaker 3: Now Porsche has become– it's almost like what Ferrari was
• 1:58:35
  Speaker 3: 10 years ago where just the base Porsche is so expensive, man.
• 1:58:40
  Speaker 3: It's pricing out their market. So now it's become– and
• 1:58:43
  Speaker 3: we've been on Porsche for how long? Like we've always
• 1:58:45
  Speaker 3: talked about Porsche.
• 1:58:46
  Speaker 2: Forever.
• 1:58:46
  Speaker 3: It's our shit.
• 1:58:47
  Speaker 2: Watch this. Oh, my God.
• 1:58:48
  Speaker 1: It's Top Gear.
• 1:58:50
  Speaker 2: Oh, it's Top Gear. Yeah. Top Gear is great. Great channel.
• 1:58:52
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 1:58:54
  Speaker 2: So these guys, they do a rolling start. I guess
• 1:58:56
  Speaker 2: they did a rolling start because they didn't want to
• 1:58:58
  Speaker 2: dump the clutch on this million-dollar car. Watch this when
• 1:59:02
  Speaker 2: they get to 30. Look at that interior, dude. Watch this.
• 1:59:06
  Speaker 1: Go.
• 1:59:10
  Speaker 2: Bro. It's not even fucking close. It's not even close.
• 1:59:16
  Speaker 2: It's not even close. That's insane. And the GT3 RS
• 1:59:21
  Speaker 2: is a fast car. Fast motherfucking car. But this was
• 1:59:25
  Speaker 2: not his car. Obviously, this is someone else's car that
• 1:59:28
  Speaker 2: they're letting him test. And so whoever bought that car
• 1:59:32
  Speaker 2: and spent a million dollars on it. How much did
• 1:59:34
  Speaker 2: they cost?
• 1:59:34
  Speaker 3: 1.2.
• 1:59:34
  Speaker 1: 1.2 million dollars.
• 1:59:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah, again, that's my only issue with Porsche now is
• 1:59:41
  Speaker 3: because if you want a GT3 RS, they're so expensive now, man.
• 1:59:45
  Speaker 2: Well, people flip them. A lot of people flip them
• 1:59:48
  Speaker 2: because they're really hard to get, too. A lot of
• 1:59:51
  Speaker 2: demand for them. Yeah, it's tough.
• 1:59:53
  Speaker 3: Back in the day, even if you're a Porsche, you
• 1:59:55
  Speaker 3: could start somewhere and you'd be okay. And now it's
• 1:59:57
  Speaker 3: almost like Ferrari where it's unattainable for a lot of people.
• 1:59:59
  Speaker 2: Well, you know what a lot of people are doing?
• 2:00:01
  Speaker 2: It's $ 400, 000 more.
• 2:00:02
  Speaker 1: It's $ 1.
• 2:00:02
  Speaker 2: 6 million.
• 2:00:02
  Speaker 1: That car is? $ 1. 6 is crazy. Worth every penny.
• 2:00:08
  Speaker 2: If you got that loot. If you got that loot.
• 2:00:10
  Speaker 2: Please buy it. One of the things that people are
• 2:00:12
  Speaker 2: doing is taking that lighter weight Porsche 911T. Yes. You
• 2:00:16
  Speaker 2: know the T?
• 2:00:17
  Speaker 1: Yep.
• 2:00:18
  Speaker 2: And they're taking that and juicing it up to like
• 2:00:21
  Speaker 2: 700 plus horsepower and putting some mods on it. Now
• 2:00:25
  Speaker 2: you're talking my language. Yeah, because you can do that
• 2:00:27
  Speaker 2: for way less than it would cost you to buy
• 2:00:29
  Speaker 2: a twin turbo.
• 2:00:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 2:00:31
  Speaker 2: And you're getting the same kind of speed, but you're
• 2:00:32
  Speaker 2: also getting rear wheel drive.
• 2:00:34
  Speaker 1: Yep.
• 2:00:35
  Speaker 2: And you can get them for pretty, I don't want
• 2:00:37
  Speaker 2: to say cheap, but cheaper. Cheaper.
• 2:00:40
  Speaker 3: It's so tough, man, to get some of those. Like
• 2:00:42
  Speaker 3: the GT3 RSs, you got to be allocated. Or it's
• 2:00:45
  Speaker 3: like 150 over markup. It's tough these days in the
• 2:00:47
  Speaker 3: Porsche business. They're crushing it. It's good for them. But again,
• 2:00:51
  Speaker 3: for my kids, hopefully they're fortunate enough where they're making
• 2:00:54
  Speaker 3: good money. But it's going to be really tough to
• 2:00:57
  Speaker 3: get into Porsche, man.
• 2:00:59
  Speaker 2: Porsche has become the marquee. When back in the day,
• 2:01:03
  Speaker 2: it wasn't that.
• 2:01:03
  Speaker 3: It wasn't.
• 2:01:05
  Speaker 2: No. It used to be much more affordable. It was
• 2:01:08
  Speaker 2: the more affordable supercar and a daily driving supercar. But
• 2:01:13
  Speaker 2: the market– and it's also things change, right? Because now
• 2:01:16
  Speaker 2: everything is twin turbo. They're all twin turbo.
• 2:01:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 2:01:18
  Speaker 2: Unless you buy a GT3, they're twin turbo.
• 2:01:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:01:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:01:22
  Speaker 3: I think, too, one of the reasons I went away
• 2:01:25
  Speaker 3: from Exotic because, I mean, I even modded my GT2 RS.
• 2:01:29
  Speaker 2: Like, I'm an idiot.
• 2:01:30
  Speaker 3: But it loses value in them.
• 2:01:33
  Speaker 2: When you mod them. When you mod them. It fucks
• 2:01:34
  Speaker 2: them up.
• 2:01:35
  Speaker 3: And I just can't leave anything alone. So that's why
• 2:01:38
  Speaker 3: I went so heavy into American shit because, you know,
• 2:01:40
  Speaker 3: the C6s, all the American stuff, you can mod the
• 2:01:44
  Speaker 3: fuck out of. And there's a market there. You're not
• 2:01:46
  Speaker 3: losing your ass. And they're cheaper to mod. Like, when
• 2:01:49
  Speaker 3: I would mod a Ferrari, buddy. exhaust, whatever the fuck turbos.
• 2:01:53
  Speaker 3: If you want to do a tune, it's a fucking nightmare, man.
• 2:01:56
  Speaker 2: Nightmare. Well, it's all to me, it's all about enjoyment. Right.
• 2:02:02
  Speaker 2: And so like, what do you, what do you, what
• 2:02:04
  Speaker 2: are you getting out of it? If you're not like
• 2:02:06
  Speaker 2: racing it and trying to go around corners sideways and
• 2:02:09
  Speaker 2: fucking correcting. And you're not really doing that with most cars.
• 2:02:13
  Speaker 2: You're just enjoying it when you're driving it. And for me,
• 2:02:15
  Speaker 2: I love the feel of a V8. Like, I have
• 2:02:20
  Speaker 2: one of those Shelby Super Snakes.
• 2:02:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 2:02:23
  Speaker 2: It's a six-speed. Did you get the Super Snake R?
• 2:02:26
  Speaker 2: It hasn't got it yet. It's on the way. Whee!
• 2:02:29
  Speaker 2: I fucking love that car because it's a modern muscle car.
• 2:02:34
  Speaker 2: Driving it is like driving an old-school muscle car, but
• 2:02:37
  Speaker 2: it's all modern and perfect, starts every time, interior's great.
• 2:02:41
  Speaker 2: Love that car. And it's just the fun of just
• 2:02:44
  Speaker 2: driving normal speed. Just normal speed. Just driving to work.
• 2:02:48
  Speaker 2: Not speeding.
• 2:02:48
  Speaker 3: Just.
• 2:02:50
  Speaker 2: You feel like you're doing something fun. It's exciting.
• 2:02:53
  Speaker 3: Do you get that same excitement in your ZR1X?
• 2:02:56
  Speaker 2: No. No, it's not the same. The ZR1X is on
• 2:02:59
  Speaker 2: another planet. It's a spaceship. I mean, it's the most
• 2:03:02
  Speaker 2: capable car I've ever driven by far. Like, when I
• 2:03:05
  Speaker 2: took the ZR1 around the racetrack, we drove it around Koda,
• 2:03:07
  Speaker 2: I was like, this thing is crazy. Crazy. It's so fast,
• 2:03:11
  Speaker 2: and it handles so well, and it gives you so
• 2:03:13
  Speaker 2: much confidence. But it's different when you're not shifting your
• 2:03:18
  Speaker 2: own gears. You're not using the clutch. It's all about that.
• 2:03:22
  Speaker 2: The driving experience is about engagement. And if you're not
• 2:03:26
  Speaker 2: using a manual, you're missing– you're going to have fun.
• 2:03:30
  Speaker 2: Don't get me wrong. You get a Corvette, you're going
• 2:03:32
  Speaker 2: to have a lot of fun. It's a great car.
• 2:03:33
  Speaker 2: But shifting your own– they finally started making a gear,
• 2:03:39
  Speaker 2: a manual transmission for the C8.
• 2:03:42
  Speaker 1: Really?
• 2:03:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Is the Grand Sport coming in a manual? I
• 2:03:46
  Speaker 2: don't think it's going to be offered by Corvette. I
• 2:03:48
  Speaker 2: don't know if there are in the future.
• 2:03:49
  Speaker 3: You can swap it in.
• 2:03:50
  Speaker 2: But you can buy one now. So see what the
• 2:03:52
  Speaker 2: company is that does that. But it's a famous transmission
• 2:03:55
  Speaker 2: company that's making a C8 manual transmission. And everybody saw
• 2:04:00
  Speaker 2: that and were.
• 2:04:00
  Speaker 1: Like, oh.
• 2:04:02
  Speaker 3: Because that's the only knock I've heard on actual car
• 2:04:04
  Speaker 3: guys with ZR1X. They go, fast as fuck. It's great.
• 2:04:08
  Speaker 3: But it's kind of doing it for you. The drive's different.
• 2:04:11
  Speaker 3: Like it's so.
• 2:04:13
  Speaker 2: It's a spaceship. It's a spaceship. You're Luke Skywalker. Yes.
• 2:04:17
  Speaker 2: Does not offer a manual. Tremec. Okay. Tremec has developed
• 2:04:20
  Speaker 2: a six speed manual that fits a C8. GM considers
• 2:04:24
  Speaker 2: it not real for production. What does that mean? But
• 2:04:27
  Speaker 2: Tremec makes it. But they make it. Yeah. Are they
• 2:04:29
  Speaker 2: selling it? Is Tremec not selling it? Or did they
• 2:04:32
  Speaker 2: make it just for funsies? I have no idea. Because
• 2:04:34
  Speaker 2: Tremec made the transmission on my Supersnake. Tremec is great.
• 2:04:37
  Speaker 2: They make the best transmissions.
• 2:04:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 2:04:39
  Speaker 2: Tremex new six-speed manual transactional opens the door for manual
• 2:04:42
  Speaker 2: swap vets and other creations.
• 2:04:44
  Speaker 3: So you can do it.
• 2:04:45
  Speaker 2: This is what I would do. What I would do
• 2:04:49
  Speaker 2: is get a Z06 and put a fucking manual in it.
• 2:04:55
  Speaker 2: Now we're cooking.
• 2:04:55
  Speaker 3: Let's go.
• 2:04:56
  Speaker 2: Let's fucking go. Now you have literally the ultimate Corvette.
• 2:04:59
  Speaker 2: I get that Z06 and that orange. There's no word
• 2:05:01
  Speaker 2: yet on price timeline or who's going to cook up
• 2:05:03
  Speaker 2: the software to tell the Corvette to cooperate with a
• 2:05:05
  Speaker 2: three-pedal transmission. That is the problem. Because you're going to
• 2:05:08
  Speaker 2: have to. And the ECU. Yeah.
• 2:05:10
  Speaker 3: That's a big problem.
• 2:05:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:05:11
  Speaker 3: Like, the biggest problem I've had is with the ECU.
• 2:05:15
  Speaker 3: People don't realize, you know, the guys who do all
• 2:05:17
  Speaker 3: the mods they do. But it's like, I got a
• 2:05:20
  Speaker 3: 2024 Ram. And right away, I'm like, right, what mods
• 2:05:23
  Speaker 3: am I going to do? I'm talking to Randy's Transmission, Banks.
• 2:05:26
  Speaker 3: I'm talking to my boys at Diesel R. And they're like,
• 2:05:29
  Speaker 3: you got a 2024? I'm like, yeah, what's up?
• 2:05:30
  Speaker 2: Low miles, man. They're like, oh, you fucked up. I'm like, why?
• 2:05:33
  Speaker 3: They're like, because 2024 and up? There's no way to
• 2:05:38
  Speaker 3: unlock that ECU. Like you have, we have to find
• 2:05:41
  Speaker 3: an ECU from a 2022 or earlier. And I'm like, okay,
• 2:05:45
  Speaker 3: those can't be expensive. Oh, they're blood diamonds. Cause everybody
• 2:05:49
  Speaker 3: wants that. You're looking at seven grand for unlocked ECU.
• 2:05:54
  Speaker 3: And that's just the ECU. That's not at any power.
• 2:05:56
  Speaker 3: That's just to get it. So you can add the power.
• 2:05:59
  Speaker 2: Oh, my God. That's crazy. And then Diesel R, they
• 2:06:01
  Speaker 2: were like, dude, we have one. I'm like, no fucking way. Well,
• 2:06:04
  Speaker 2: how about this new law that they just passed where
• 2:06:07
  Speaker 2: your car is going to monitor you and then they're
• 2:06:10
  Speaker 2: going to have a kill switch in your car? So
• 2:06:13
  Speaker 2: to keep people from drinking and driving or if maybe
• 2:06:16
  Speaker 2: they don't like what Brendan Shaw posted on Twitter, just
• 2:06:19
  Speaker 2: fucking shut your car down. I think that's even more
• 2:06:23
  Speaker 2: reason to buy old shit.
• 2:06:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 2:06:25
  Speaker 2: A lot of reason to buy old shit. Put that, please,
• 2:06:27
  Speaker 2: into perplexity and ask them when this law is being
• 2:06:31
  Speaker 2: passed and what the law entails. Because I've been hearing
• 2:06:36
  Speaker 2: a lot of different versions of it. I want to
• 2:06:38
  Speaker 2: know the exact version of it. It's going to pass
• 2:06:39
  Speaker 2: in California first. Well, it's passed nationwide. And Thomas Massey
• 2:06:44
  Speaker 2: voted against it. And I think Fetterman might have voted
• 2:06:47
  Speaker 2: against it, too. I'm not sure. real federal mandate tied
• 2:06:52
  Speaker 2: to 2027 model year cars. It's about impaired driving detection. Yeah,
• 2:06:57
  Speaker 2: but this is how it starts. The problem is if
• 2:06:59
  Speaker 2: it has a kill switch. Ask if it has a
• 2:07:02
  Speaker 2: kill switch, if that's part of it.
• 2:07:04
  Speaker 1: I mean, it probably is going to be in here.
• 2:07:07
  Speaker 2: Right. Okay. Why people call it a kill switch? Because
• 2:07:11
  Speaker 2: the system may be able to prevent the engine from
• 2:07:13
  Speaker 2: starting or shut down performance if it decides you're impaired.
• 2:07:17
  Speaker 2: So that's a kill switch. So that is great if
• 2:07:21
  Speaker 2: you're preventing someone from drinking and driving. That is not
• 2:07:24
  Speaker 2: great if you are Nick Fuentes and you're in your
• 2:07:28
  Speaker 2: car and you're, you know.
• 2:07:30
  Speaker 3: But that's the Trojan horse. Like they get you in
• 2:07:31
  Speaker 3: with that. It's for safety.
• 2:07:33
  Speaker 2: That's the thing.
• 2:07:33
  Speaker 1: May is a key word in there.
• 2:07:35
  Speaker 2: May be able. Well, the thing about that is I
• 2:07:38
  Speaker 2: think they already have that with the Corvette. I think
• 2:07:42
  Speaker 2: with OnStar, if someone steals your car.
• 2:07:45
  Speaker 3: Correct.
• 2:07:45
  Speaker 2: They can shut it down. Right. That's the security. If
• 2:07:48
  Speaker 2: you have a Corvette and Brendan Chubb is running from
• 2:07:51
  Speaker 2: the law and you're trying to get to Canada. But
• 2:07:55
  Speaker 2: can't they do that with your Teslas? That's probably, I mean,
• 2:07:59
  Speaker 2: it's a computer. It's a computer. Of course they probably
• 2:08:01
  Speaker 2: can do that. I'm really bummed out that Tesla's canceled
• 2:08:05
  Speaker 2: the Model S. Jamie and I were just talking about
• 2:08:07
  Speaker 2: it before the show. Oh, they could all go away
• 2:08:09
  Speaker 2: and I wouldn't give two fucks. I know he's your boy,
• 2:08:11
  Speaker 2: but I just don't care. Shut your mouth.
• 2:08:12
  Speaker 3: Do your thing.
• 2:08:13
  Speaker 2: I drive it all the time. I love it. With
• 2:08:14
  Speaker 2: all the cars you have. I love it. That's the
• 2:08:16
  Speaker 2: one thing I'm like. I love it. Listen, I love V8s. Look,
• 2:08:21
  Speaker 2: I drove my Raptor here. The Raptor's badass.
• 2:08:24
  Speaker 1: A fanboy would say that it's just going to be
• 2:08:26
  Speaker 1: replaced by that Roadster that they haven't shown yet.
• 2:08:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but the Roadster's a two-seater. My car is a four-seater,
• 2:08:33
  Speaker 2: four-door car that goes zero to 60 in under two seconds.
• 2:08:37
  Speaker 3: But why would they get rid of it?
• 2:08:38
  Speaker 1: I've never had four people in my car.
• 2:08:40
  Speaker 2: You never what?
• 2:08:41
  Speaker 1: I've never had four people in my car.
• 2:08:42
  Speaker 2: Okay, so you haven't. So like the other day, I
• 2:08:46
  Speaker 2: had to pick up my daughter because she was being driven,
• 2:08:50
  Speaker 2: and the car they were driving got a flat, and
• 2:08:52
  Speaker 2: I was on my way home at the exact same time,
• 2:08:54
  Speaker 2: and I picked her up and her friends.
• 2:08:55
  Speaker 3: That's dope.
• 2:08:56
  Speaker 2: So I had three friends in the back seat, one
• 2:08:58
  Speaker 2: in the front. Yeah. I got everybody in my car,
• 2:09:01
  Speaker 2: no problem. I like having a four-door. I have a family.
• 2:09:05
  Speaker 2: I know you're a single guy. Like, for you, a
• 2:09:06
  Speaker 2: Roadster would be fine.
• 2:09:07
  Speaker 1: That's just a, you know.
• 2:09:09
  Speaker 2: Not for you.
• 2:09:10
  Speaker 1: It's a small little car anyway. I think the X
• 2:09:12
  Speaker 1: is pretty dope, too. They also canceled the X.
• 2:09:15
  Speaker 2: That's just dope. Tiffany Haddish had one, and she showed
• 2:09:18
  Speaker 2: me that it could dance in the parking lot. I
• 2:09:20
  Speaker 2: remember seeing that video. I was like, this is crazy.
• 2:09:22
  Speaker 3: This is crazy.
• 2:09:23
  Speaker 2: I only do four.
• 2:09:24
  Speaker 3: I don't have anything two-door anymore because kiddos. I just
• 2:09:28
  Speaker 3: try to create the most badass dad whip I can
• 2:09:30
  Speaker 3: and it has to have four doors.
• 2:09:32
  Speaker 2: Well, I mean, I have two-door cars, but I always
• 2:09:35
  Speaker 2: have to have a sedan. I like a sedan.
• 2:09:37
  Speaker 3: Your kids are older, though, too.
• 2:09:38
  Speaker 2: If I didn't have a Tesla and I had a sedan,
• 2:09:40
  Speaker 2: what I would get is the Cadillac. The CT5V Blackwing.
• 2:09:44
  Speaker 2: Let's go. And you can get a manual. You can
• 2:09:46
  Speaker 2: get the new one. The F1 is only in manuals.
• 2:09:49
  Speaker 2: The highest horsepower, 685. I don't know why I couldn't
• 2:09:54
  Speaker 2: say that word. 685 horse. I know you do. We
• 2:09:58
  Speaker 2: both suffer from marble mouth.
• 2:10:00
  Speaker 1: Brother.
• 2:10:00
  Speaker 2: 685 horsepower and it's only manual. Just take my fucking money, dude.
• 2:10:06
  Speaker 2: I want an automatic if it's that. Manual sounds fun,
• 2:10:10
  Speaker 2: but if you're driving all the time, it can get
• 2:10:11
  Speaker 2: a little... Especially if you're living in LA. Yeah. Depending
• 2:10:15
  Speaker 2: on where you're living. Jamie, that could be you, bud.
• 2:10:17
  Speaker 2: We were just in New Jersey. Bro, that's you, Jamie.
• 2:10:19
  Speaker 1: I'm not saying it's a bad car. I'm just like,
• 2:10:22
  Speaker 1: I'm going to drive it 10 miles a day.
• 2:10:24
  Speaker 2: It's an awesome 10 miles. Dude, the feeling in that
• 2:10:28
  Speaker 2: car with the torque and the sound of the engine.
• 2:10:31
  Speaker 1: You can't go anywhere on it. 35 in traffic.
• 2:10:33
  Speaker 2: Give me some fucking volume. Let's hear this driving. Yeah, well,
• 2:10:38
  Speaker 2: Jamie's not really a car guy.
• 2:10:41
  Speaker 1: I drive it to the golf course, but like once
• 2:10:44
  Speaker 1: a week.
• 2:10:45
  Speaker 2: How much better you play? Look at that fucking car.
• 2:10:48
  Speaker 2: We're all carbon around it. Let me hear it drive.
• 2:10:50
  Speaker 2: Let me hear it drive. Here it is. Drive it, bitch.
• 2:10:52
  Speaker 2: Let's go. Why would they do this to me? Why
• 2:11:00
  Speaker 2: would you have a video of this and not have...
• 2:11:04
  Speaker 2: You want to sell cars or not? Play it for me, please.
• 2:11:10
  Speaker 2: Here it is. Just click that, though. That's the black one. Oh,
• 2:11:14
  Speaker 2: there we go. Oh, my dick just got hard.
• 2:11:17
  Speaker 3: And we can spice that up, Jamie. You sent it
• 2:11:19
  Speaker 3: to me for a day, bubba.
• 2:11:21
  Speaker 2: That's fine. The way it comes from the factory is fine.
• 2:11:25
  Speaker 3: You have to do a damn thing.
• 2:11:27
  Speaker 2: I know. You can get it really loud, but the
• 2:11:30
  Speaker 2: thing is just that alone.
• 2:11:31
  Speaker 3: There we go.
• 2:11:32
  Speaker 2: Come on, dawg. Yeah. All right.
• 2:11:40
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's not bad.
• 2:11:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:11:41
  Speaker 1: He's in.
• 2:11:43
  Speaker 2: Yes. Dude, you don't understand. Oh, cammed up, baby. I feel. Oh,
• 2:11:49
  Speaker 2: that's a cammed up one. That one's nuts. That's what
• 2:11:51
  Speaker 2: you want. Oh, there's a lot of mods. Dudes jack
• 2:11:54
  Speaker 2: those up above 1,000 all the time.
• 2:11:56
  Speaker 1: Oh, and it's going to get robbed out here then.
• 2:11:58
  Speaker 2: No, Bubba.
• 2:12:00
  Speaker 1: No, come on.
• 2:12:01
  Speaker 3: Where are you parking?
• 2:12:03
  Speaker 2: Do you want to get it or buy crack?
• 2:12:04
  Speaker 1: I don't drive anywhere.
• 2:12:05
  Speaker 2: Where's he going?
• 2:12:05
  Speaker 3: Come on.
• 2:12:06
  Speaker 2: Where's he going? He's buying crack. You live in a
• 2:12:08
  Speaker 2: nice place. Are you buying crack?
• 2:12:10
  Speaker 3: She got covered parking.
• 2:12:11
  Speaker 2: You don't need it, but it's fine.
• 2:12:13
  Speaker 1: I just think of Gone in 60 Seconds. When you've
• 2:12:15
  Speaker 1: got a dope car and people know you've got a
• 2:12:17
  Speaker 1: dope car and you're seen driving that dope car, they're
• 2:12:19
  Speaker 1: going to follow you in that dope car. Our friend,
• 2:12:22
  Speaker 1: he got followed.
• 2:12:23
  Speaker 3: What's wrong with you two?
• 2:12:24
  Speaker 2: Oh, Julian?
• 2:12:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, shit's going to happen.
• 2:12:26
  Speaker 2: I don't need that.
• 2:12:27
  Speaker 1: I'm just going to have a fucking dope Tesla.
• 2:12:28
  Speaker 2: He was in Dallas buying tacos at 3 in the morning.
• 2:12:30
  Speaker 1: There's a million Teslas all over the place.
• 2:12:32
  Speaker 2: And he's got a Ferrari. A Ferrari is different than
• 2:12:35
  Speaker 2: a Cadillac. Have you had any issues?
• 2:12:38
  Speaker 3: Especially out here.
• 2:12:39
  Speaker 2: You can catch an issue every now and then, but
• 2:12:41
  Speaker 2: the thing about Texas is everybody's armed. You can't just
• 2:12:45
  Speaker 2: roll up on someone and try to take their car.
• 2:12:46
  Speaker 2: You're risking your fucking life.
• 2:12:48
  Speaker 1: It happened on 5th Street a block away from the
• 2:12:50
  Speaker 1: club not too long ago. Right in front of Eddie B's.
• 2:12:54
  Speaker 2: People get carjacked in every city. That's a fact.
• 2:12:56
  Speaker 1: Not where I live.
• 2:12:57
  Speaker 2: Come on over to the Burbs, dude. So you think
• 2:12:58
  Speaker 2: if you have one of them Cybertruck So supposedly Cybertruck
• 2:13:06
  Speaker 2: is coming out with an SUV.
• 2:13:07
  Speaker 1: Maybe. I don't know.
• 2:13:08
  Speaker 2: Allegedly. That'd be cool. Elon won't tell me. He won't
• 2:13:11
  Speaker 2: tell me shit. He won't tell you? I got a
• 2:13:13
  Speaker 2: big fucking mouth.
• 2:13:14
  Speaker 1: There's numbers online. People have showed things, but we don't
• 2:13:16
  Speaker 1: really know.
• 2:13:17
  Speaker 2: What have they showed?
• 2:13:18
  Speaker 1: Potential. It looks a little bit like the mix between
• 2:13:21
  Speaker 1: an X and a Cybertruck.
• 2:13:23
  Speaker 2: See, that would be a smart move for them to
• 2:13:25
  Speaker 2: make a Cybertruck that's an SUV. It's a smart move
• 2:13:29
  Speaker 2: because you already have the shape. Just instead of having
• 2:13:31
  Speaker 2: the pickup truck part where no one's using. Yeah, extend
• 2:13:34
  Speaker 2: the seats. Yeah, have the seats back more. And you
• 2:13:37
  Speaker 2: could even shorten the wheelbase a little bit and make
• 2:13:39
  Speaker 2: it like one of them smaller Cadillac SUVs. You could.
• 2:13:43
  Speaker 3: Or you could just say fuck all that noise and
• 2:13:45
  Speaker 3: get a Hellcat Durango because Stellantis does– Hellcat's back, baby.
• 2:13:50
  Speaker 2: Those are pretty dope. Hellcat, Durango.
• 2:13:52
  Speaker 3: The Godfather of the Hellcat, Tim, is back running fucking Dodge.
• 2:13:55
  Speaker 2: Yes. Thank God. Thank fucking God. Dodge is crushing it.
• 2:13:59
  Speaker 2: They got silly with that electric thing. They had some
• 2:14:01
  Speaker 2: French guy running it. Is that what it was?
• 2:14:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and he killed all- He hates America. Facts.
• 2:14:04
  Speaker 2: That's what it was. Boom. He wanted to destroy America.
• 2:14:07
  Speaker 3: Facts.
• 2:14:07
  Speaker 2: I want Poiton to beat Serogon. It was like the
• 2:14:12
  Speaker 2: most iconic- American like V8 powered cars were Dodge. Dodge Viper. Well,
• 2:14:19
  Speaker 2: that's a V10. Dodge Viper. You had, but just big engines, right?
• 2:14:24
  Speaker 2: You had, you know, gasoline engines. You had, of course,
• 2:14:27
  Speaker 2: the Challenger, Challenger Hellcat, Hellcat Redeye. They crushed it. Crushed it.
• 2:14:32
  Speaker 2: Are they going to discontinue the Challenger?
• 2:14:34
  Speaker 3: No, they're coming out with a gas Challenger. So they
• 2:14:37
  Speaker 3: fucked up and came out with a Challenger.
• 2:14:39
  Speaker 2: All electric, and a charger.
• 2:14:40
  Speaker 3: Wasn't it a charger? And a Challenger, too. They did both, right?
• 2:14:44
  Speaker 2: You can't change.
• 2:14:46
  Speaker 3: They're coming out with a charger that's gas powered.
• 2:14:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the charger's dope. I've seen some reviews of it.
• 2:14:52
  Speaker 2: It's dope. It's dope. And it's fast. Fast as fuck.
• 2:14:57
  Speaker 3: Here.
• 2:15:00
  Speaker 2: Now we're talking, Jamie. What do you think of that?
• 2:15:02
  Speaker 2: That's not bad.
• 2:15:03
  Speaker 1: Oh, okay.
• 2:15:04
  Speaker 2: Here we go. It's a straight SUV. Look at that, Jamie.
• 2:15:06
  Speaker 2: Here you go.
• 2:15:07
  Speaker 1: Those clubs fit in there easily.
• 2:15:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Now we're talking. The Durango kept dodging flow. Look
• 2:15:11
  Speaker 2: at that fucking engine. That's what you need, Jamie. You
• 2:15:13
  Speaker 2: need a goddamn V8, like a fucking Hellcat. You're going
• 2:15:15
  Speaker 2: to come in here with a fucking hairy chest? Fuck yeah, dude.
• 2:15:17
  Speaker 2: Goddamn American. Yeah. That's what you need. That's it. Forget
• 2:15:21
  Speaker 2: the Cadillac. We're onto this now.
• 2:15:23
  Speaker 3: We're onto this.
• 2:15:24
  Speaker 2: We're onto this. That's what you need.
• 2:15:26
  Speaker 1: I wasn't... This is also... People love these. This is
• 2:15:29
  Speaker 1: a robbery car, the Trackhawk. That's why I'm off of that.
• 2:15:31
  Speaker 2: Trackhawks are great, dude.
• 2:15:33
  Speaker 1: There's not that many of them yet, and people are
• 2:15:34
  Speaker 1: after them.
• 2:15:35
  Speaker 2: How about you get a Hennessy and tell them to
• 2:15:37
  Speaker 2: leave the badges off? Hennessys are so fucking... Just have
• 2:15:40
  Speaker 2: Hennessy do it and leave the badges off.
• 2:15:42
  Speaker 1: Bro, did you see?
• 2:15:42
  Speaker 2: It just looks like a regular one, a sleeper.
• 2:15:44
  Speaker 1: I'd just be worried the whole time.
• 2:15:46
  Speaker 2: Oh, my God. What world are you living in?
• 2:15:48
  Speaker 3: Dude, did you see Hennessy did a super duty? Hennessy
• 2:15:51
  Speaker 3: finally did a full super duty?
• 2:15:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Fuck, I love it. Hennessy does dope shit, dude.
• 2:15:55
  Speaker 2: They do dope Mustangs. They do dope Cadillacs. They take
• 2:15:59
  Speaker 2: the Blackwing and fucking.
• 2:16:00
  Speaker 3: See, that's why with Tubi, it was like, let's see
• 2:16:03
  Speaker 3: how these four episodes go. They do good.
• 2:16:04
  Speaker 2: Do you know John? Me and him had a conversation.
• 2:16:07
  Speaker 2: You should do a show with him. He's great. I
• 2:16:09
  Speaker 2: want to do a show with him. I want to
• 2:16:10
  Speaker 2: go to Gunther. Yeah. But John's great. He's up the
• 2:16:13
  Speaker 2: fucking road. He's great. I can connect you with him.
• 2:16:15
  Speaker 2: He's a good dude. He's a friend of mine.
• 2:16:16
  Speaker 3: Me and him had a convo because when I was
• 2:16:18
  Speaker 3: building my Raptor to get to 1,400 horsepower, I called him.
• 2:16:21
  Speaker 2: Well, I'll hook you up with Gunther, too. They're great.
• 2:16:24
  Speaker 2: Peter's very cool, too.
• 2:16:25
  Speaker 1: Durango smokes his Trackhawk.
• 2:16:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, dude. Oh, the Durango with the Hellcat?
• 2:16:31
  Speaker 1: He started a little fast and he smokes it. And
• 2:16:35
  Speaker 1: that's probably not a Hennessey one?
• 2:16:37
  Speaker 2: Well, it doesn't matter. I mean, they put a Hellcat
• 2:16:40
  Speaker 2: in one of those fucking things. You're dealing with insane horsepower.
• 2:16:43
  Speaker 2: It's so much horsepower. They're awesome, Jamie. And it sounds incredible.
• 2:16:47
  Speaker 2: The red interior, it's fucking awesome. Bro, we're salespeople. We're
• 2:16:51
  Speaker 2: selling Dodge to James.
• 2:16:52
  Speaker 1: That actually might have been the Trackhawk on the right.
• 2:16:54
  Speaker 2: Okay. Whichever one it was.
• 2:16:56
  Speaker 3: Either way, pick your place and just fucking get one.
• 2:16:58
  Speaker 2: I would 100% drive one of those. 100%.
• 2:17:00
  Speaker 3: Fuck yeah, you would.
• 2:17:02
  Speaker 2: I might get one, too, if you get one. Shit.
• 2:17:04
  Speaker 2: Make it three.
• 2:17:05
  Speaker 1: Or do you charge it?
• 2:17:07
  Speaker 2: Charge it? How dare you? You son of a bitch.
• 2:17:11
  Speaker 2: You know what, man? He's not wrong, though, with the
• 2:17:13
  Speaker 2: way gas prices are. I talked to Tim Dillon today.
• 2:17:15
  Speaker 2: I was on the phone with him when I came
• 2:17:16
  Speaker 2: to the studio. He told me that gas is $ 7. 90
• 2:17:19
  Speaker 2: a gallon in L.A.
• 2:17:23
  Speaker 1: Right now.
• 2:17:23
  Speaker 3: And that's down from what it was. I was out
• 2:17:25
  Speaker 3: there a month shooting a commercial, and it was up.
• 2:17:26
  Speaker 2: To $ 8. 40 something. Here's what I don't understand. Are we
• 2:17:30
  Speaker 2: getting oil from Iran? No.
• 2:17:33
  Speaker 1: Maybe three or four percent.
• 2:17:36
  Speaker 2: So are they just fucking us in the ass?
• 2:17:39
  Speaker 3: They just know, oh, Americans know if we go to war,
• 2:17:41
  Speaker 3: we can increase the gas price. So we all just
• 2:17:43
  Speaker 3: go along with it.
• 2:17:44
  Speaker 2: Is that real? Or is it global prices went up
• 2:17:47
  Speaker 2: because some of the gas can't get to where it
• 2:17:49
  Speaker 2: needs to go? And so they need to make that money.
• 2:17:53
  Speaker 2: So they just fuck you. Isn't it funny? They're like,
• 2:17:56
  Speaker 2: we're going to make money no matter what. The American
• 2:17:58
  Speaker 2: people are going to lose money. So we make the
• 2:18:01
  Speaker 2: same amount of money. Fuck you. You need oil.
• 2:18:04
  Speaker 3: But my whole thing is even like when we go
• 2:18:06
  Speaker 3: to war, people are like, yeah, they're just doing it
• 2:18:08
  Speaker 3: for money. It's like how much fucking money do they need?
• 2:18:10
  Speaker 3: They're all rich anyway.
• 2:18:11
  Speaker 2: American gas prices are rising mainly because crude oils become
• 2:18:15
  Speaker 2: more expensive due to the war with Iran and disruptions
• 2:18:17
  Speaker 2: in global oil supply plus normal seasons and cost factors
• 2:18:21
  Speaker 2: in refining. distribution and taxes. Biggest driver, crude oil in
• 2:18:24
  Speaker 2: the Iran war. But what if we got all our
• 2:18:28
  Speaker 2: oil from America? Which we can do. Well, if we
• 2:18:31
  Speaker 2: did that, why would oil go up?
• 2:18:33
  Speaker 3: Because American fuel prices are tied to global oil markets.
• 2:18:36
  Speaker 1: We would just start selling it.
• 2:18:37
  Speaker 2: That's stupid.
• 2:18:39
  Speaker 1: The market.
• 2:18:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but they're a bunch of crooks. They're a bunch
• 2:18:44
  Speaker 2: of crooks. We should have a national oil company. And
• 2:18:49
  Speaker 2: only sell in America. Keep it in-house. Keep it in-house.
• 2:18:52
  Speaker 2: So no matter what foul shit we do outside the world.
• 2:18:55
  Speaker 1: Even though we're the biggest, companies can still sell wherever
• 2:18:57
  Speaker 1: they want.
• 2:18:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 2:18:59
  Speaker 2: Even though the U.S. is the world's largest oil producer,
• 2:19:01
  Speaker 2: companies can sell oil on the global market to whoever
• 2:19:04
  Speaker 2: pays the highest price. And it fucks us. So high
• 2:19:06
  Speaker 2: world prices still translate into high domestic gas prices. Hey, Mr. President,
• 2:19:11
  Speaker 2: please fix that. Fucking tax them. I don't know if
• 2:19:14
  Speaker 2: he can do that. They'll kill him. They tried to
• 2:19:16
  Speaker 2: kill him three times already. You try to fuck with
• 2:19:18
  Speaker 2: that oil money, and all of a sudden President J.D.
• 2:19:21
  Speaker 2: is crying on TV. J.D.? I'm going to miss Donald.
• 2:19:24
  Speaker 2: He was a great mentor to me, and I didn't
• 2:19:28
  Speaker 2: always agree with everything he said. And I wish he
• 2:19:31
  Speaker 2: didn't post that picture of him as Jesus.
• 2:19:33
  Speaker 3: Dude, what the fuck are you doing?
• 2:19:36
  Speaker 2: Hey, you know what's crazy to me?
• 2:19:38
  Speaker 3: There's been like three legit assassination attempts, and it's in
• 2:19:42
  Speaker 3: the news.
• 2:19:43
  Speaker 2: Two, three days?
• 2:19:44
  Speaker 3: And we're just like, yeah, it's crazy.
• 2:19:45
  Speaker 2: And we move on. Well, there was another one that
• 2:19:47
  Speaker 2: barely made the news where a guy showed up and
• 2:19:49
  Speaker 2: tried to attack J.D. You remember that guy? I know. Yeah, see?
• 2:19:53
  Speaker 3: I know.
• 2:19:54
  Speaker 2: I'm part of the problem. This guy showed up. I
• 2:19:56
  Speaker 2: think it was at the White House. I think some
• 2:19:59
  Speaker 2: guy showed up at the White– you see this guy
• 2:20:01
  Speaker 2: who just got killed or got shot in Cambridge? So
• 2:20:05
  Speaker 2: this guy, he had a shootout with the cops three
• 2:20:10
  Speaker 2: years ago, went to jail for three years, got out,
• 2:20:13
  Speaker 2: and was walking down the street in Cambridge just unloading
• 2:20:16
  Speaker 2: his gun on passerbys. Oh, I saw that.
• 2:20:18
  Speaker 3: Pop, pop, pop.
• 2:20:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, just shooting random people on the street. This guy
• 2:20:23
  Speaker 2: had gotten in a shootout with the cops and only
• 2:20:25
  Speaker 2: did three years. That's insane, dude. A shootout with the cops.
• 2:20:29
  Speaker 2: I think 20 bullets were exchanged, and he only did
• 2:20:32
  Speaker 2: three years. Bro, here's the other problem.
• 2:20:34
  Speaker 3: As I saw, they took, again, whoever's doing these polls,
• 2:20:37
  Speaker 3: you got to be an idiot to get stopped on
• 2:20:39
  Speaker 3: the street and do the polls.
• 2:20:39
  Speaker 2: Look at this guy.
• 2:20:40
  Speaker 3: This is wild.
• 2:20:41
  Speaker 2: He's just walking down the street shooting at cars. Bro,
• 2:20:44
  Speaker 2: by the way. I'm running that guy over. Oh, a
• 2:20:47
  Speaker 2: thousand percent. Especially for my Toyota, my Land Cruiser, where
• 2:20:50
  Speaker 2: I know it's not going to mess up my car.
• 2:20:53
  Speaker 2: That's insane. Meanwhile, if I was in Cambridge, though, I'd
• 2:20:56
  Speaker 2: probably go to jail for life.
• 2:20:57
  Speaker 3: A hundred percent. You're fucked.
• 2:20:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah. For defending the public.
• 2:21:01
  Speaker 3: But I saw a survey that said one in four
• 2:21:03
  Speaker 3: Americans think the assassination attempts on the president are fake.
• 2:21:07
  Speaker 2: I wonder what percentage think the world's flat. One in four. Yeah.
• 2:21:13
  Speaker 2: The people that thought that the Butler, Pennsylvania one was
• 2:21:16
  Speaker 2: staged don't know anything about guns. That's a fact. I
• 2:21:20
  Speaker 2: don't know anybody who knows anything about guns that thinks
• 2:21:23
  Speaker 2: that the president would let some guy nick his ear
• 2:21:26
  Speaker 2: with a bullet. Sodom. That is in the guy behind him,
• 2:21:30
  Speaker 2: the firefighter who lost his life. That guy got shot
• 2:21:32
  Speaker 2: by a bullet that was intended for Trump. And then
• 2:21:34
  Speaker 2: there's a photo of a bullet whizzing by his face.
• 2:21:37
  Speaker 2: Anybody that thinks that that stage is out of their
• 2:21:40
  Speaker 2: fucking mind.
• 2:21:42
  Speaker 3: Or the guy that the correspondent's dinner who rushed in.
• 2:21:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah. They think that's fake. It's like, hold on.
• 2:21:46
  Speaker 3: So you think this guy who's a teacher, educated, clearly
• 2:21:49
  Speaker 3: kind of had his shit together, threw away his life?
• 2:21:53
  Speaker 2: Well, Tim Burchette, who I had on the podcast, the congressman.
• 2:21:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:21:57
  Speaker 2: He thinks that guy was like some sort of an
• 2:21:59
  Speaker 2: MK Ultra type deal. And he says he thinks they
• 2:22:02
  Speaker 2: still do that. He thinks someone's still doing that.
• 2:22:04
  Speaker 3: I've always thought that. I'm not trying to steal– I'm
• 2:22:06
  Speaker 3: sure he has way better points than me. But if
• 2:22:09
  Speaker 3: they did MKUltra all those years ago, when you go
• 2:22:11
  Speaker 3: through the list of Charles Manson, the Unabomber, you think
• 2:22:14
  Speaker 3: it stopped?
• 2:22:16
  Speaker 2: Right. And you don't think they've gotten better with it? Exactly.
• 2:22:19
  Speaker 2: So you just think they're like, OK, the public knows.
• 2:22:21
  Speaker 2: We're going to shut this down. No, dude.
• 2:22:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 2:22:23
  Speaker 2: They just– they expand. It gets better and better and better.
• 2:22:27
  Speaker 2: For sure they're still doing that. And that could have
• 2:22:29
  Speaker 2: been Thomas Crooks too, the guy who tried to shoot–
• 2:22:31
  Speaker 2: Trump in Butler, Pennsylvania. That one was weird as fuck.
• 2:22:35
  Speaker 2: That one's so weird because that guy's house was professionally scrubbed.
• 2:22:39
  Speaker 2: He didn't even have silverware there. He had no online activity.
• 2:22:43
  Speaker 2: He had no social media. Black rock ties. Have you
• 2:22:46
  Speaker 2: heard anything about him? Nope. Gone. How weird is that, dude?
• 2:22:50
  Speaker 2: What about the Charlie Kirk guy?
• 2:22:52
  Speaker 3: What about the guy who killed Charlie? Right.
• 2:22:54
  Speaker 2: We haven't heard one interview with him. Is that not weird, dude?
• 2:22:56
  Speaker 2: It's super weird. Nearly one-third of Americans, 30%, believe that
• 2:23:02
  Speaker 2: at least one of the three attempts on Donald President's
• 2:23:05
  Speaker 2: life over the last two years were staged.
• 2:23:07
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 2:23:08
  Speaker 2: For each attempted assassination, a majority of Americans said either
• 2:23:12
  Speaker 2: that it was staged or that they were not sure.
• 2:23:14
  Speaker 2: 54% said they either thought it was staged or not sure.
• 2:23:19
  Speaker 2: And that's the problem. Only 38% of Americans believe all
• 2:23:22
  Speaker 2: three assassination attempts were authentic. This is TikTok. It's fucking
• 2:23:26
  Speaker 2: ruining people's brains.
• 2:23:27
  Speaker 3: That's the fucking problem.
• 2:23:28
  Speaker 2: Rotting their fucking brains out from inside their heads.
• 2:23:31
  Speaker 3: I know.
• 2:23:32
  Speaker 1: It's not good, dude.
• 2:23:33
  Speaker 2: Meanwhile, you go on Chinese TikTok. It's all like traditional
• 2:23:36
  Speaker 2: dance and martial arts. They built it. Science projects. Yeah.
• 2:23:40
  Speaker 2: It shuts down for kids after 10 p.m.
• 2:23:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:23:43
  Speaker 2: And like Americans, have fun. Yeah.
• 2:23:45
  Speaker 3: Go rot your brains.
• 2:23:45
  Speaker 2: They're doing such a great job.
• 2:23:47
  Speaker 3: Crush it.
• 2:23:47
  Speaker 2: And then they sold it, right? So they sold it
• 2:23:49
  Speaker 2: to that American company and they're just going to continue
• 2:23:53
  Speaker 2: doing what the Chinese did and make the most amount
• 2:23:55
  Speaker 2: of money, which is rotting people's brains out. Don't give
• 2:23:58
  Speaker 2: a fuck. Wouldn't it be dope if this American company
• 2:24:00
  Speaker 2: that bought it said, hey, there's clearly a problem with
• 2:24:03
  Speaker 2: how things are emphasized and what your algorithm shows you.
• 2:24:07
  Speaker 2: And what we're going to do is promote Like exceptional
• 2:24:10
  Speaker 2: people doing exceptional things. Don't you think they would get
• 2:24:12
  Speaker 2: more users?
• 2:24:13
  Speaker 3: Because as a dad, I'd be like, okay, you guys
• 2:24:15
  Speaker 3: can have TikTok. There's some rules there. It's an educational thing. Now,
• 2:24:21
  Speaker 3: not a fucking chance, dude.
• 2:24:23
  Speaker 2: No, it wouldn't get more. It would go right over
• 2:24:26
  Speaker 2: to Instagram. Instagram's all assassinations. What if they did across
• 2:24:30
  Speaker 2: the board? You would have to have no one cross
• 2:24:34
  Speaker 2: that picket line and they all would because people are
• 2:24:36
  Speaker 2: addicted to watching fucked up street fights and crazy things now.
• 2:24:40
  Speaker 2: Like my algorithm is all like people fighting in parking
• 2:24:44
  Speaker 2: lots and there's so much of that.
• 2:24:46
  Speaker 3: Man, mine's just trucks, cars, and fucking fights.
• 2:24:50
  Speaker 2: On Instagram?
• 2:24:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 2:24:51
  Speaker 2: So my problem is me and Segura every day send
• 2:24:55
  Speaker 2: each other the worst thing that we find online. I
• 2:24:57
  Speaker 2: don't want to start my day like that. I don't either.
• 2:25:00
  Speaker 3: I don't either.
• 2:25:01
  Speaker 2: I don't either, but it's too late. But that's the
• 2:25:03
  Speaker 2: only time I'm going to Instagram now. The only time.
• 2:25:06
  Speaker 2: And then I'll check my. You've kind of gotten off
• 2:25:09
  Speaker 2: of it, right? Yeah. This is so much better. I
• 2:25:12
  Speaker 2: feel so much better. I go in occasionally and check
• 2:25:15
  Speaker 2: Twitter to see what the news is, like what's trending.
• 2:25:17
  Speaker 2: But you're not like reading the comments and all that
• 2:25:20
  Speaker 2: shit or mentions? No, no, no. And I don't even
• 2:25:22
  Speaker 2: go into the news feed because I used to go
• 2:25:24
  Speaker 2: into the news feed. I find things about me all
• 2:25:26
  Speaker 2: the time. Like I don't want to hear what a
• 2:25:28
  Speaker 2: douchebag I am. That's a bummer. Like come on. I'm
• 2:25:30
  Speaker 2: not here for that.
• 2:25:31
  Speaker 1: I know.
• 2:25:31
  Speaker 2: It sucks. So I can't avoid people getting mad at
• 2:25:35
  Speaker 2: me or even saying nice things about me. I don't
• 2:25:37
  Speaker 2: even want to read that. I think what's better is
• 2:25:40
  Speaker 2: I go to the trending stuff and find out what
• 2:25:43
  Speaker 2: the news is. So then I'll click on like what
• 2:25:46
  Speaker 2: the fuck is going on and I'll check that out.
• 2:25:48
  Speaker 2: Like that's how I found out about this guy with
• 2:25:49
  Speaker 2: the gun. And you feel so much better, right? Way better.
• 2:25:52
  Speaker 2: But I also more often than not now not going
• 2:25:56
  Speaker 2: there for my news and I've kind of curated my
• 2:25:58
  Speaker 2: Google news feed. Smart. To be much more interesting. Like
• 2:26:02
  Speaker 2: I get more stories and it'll show me stories from X. Yeah.
• 2:26:06
  Speaker 2: So then I can decide whether or not I want
• 2:26:08
  Speaker 2: to actually open up X. That's cool. To read the story.
• 2:26:10
  Speaker 2: And did you stop drinking too? I did and then
• 2:26:12
  Speaker 2: I went back. I'm back. How back are you? Not
• 2:26:15
  Speaker 2: back crazy, but I'll have a couple of drinks every
• 2:26:17
  Speaker 2: now and then. I haven't gotten drunk since I've been back. Dude,
• 2:26:20
  Speaker 2: I've been sober over two years now. That's nice. Almost three.
• 2:26:23
  Speaker 2: Feel good? Feel great. Never been in better shape. Yeah.
• 2:26:26
  Speaker 2: I feel fucking awesome. It's definitely better for you. But
• 2:26:29
  Speaker 2: I do like a glass of wine or two with
• 2:26:30
  Speaker 2: dinner and I do like a drink or two with
• 2:26:32
  Speaker 2: the boys when we're at the club every now and then.
• 2:26:34
  Speaker 2: But I just– I was doing it too much. Me too.
• 2:26:36
  Speaker 2: And then I recognized and so I stopped.
• 2:26:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah, just– it wasn't benefiting me and then also I
• 2:26:42
  Speaker 3: have addictive personality.
• 2:26:43
  Speaker 2: Like if I do something, I got to be all in.
• 2:26:45
  Speaker 3: Like on cars, like literally one day I woke up
• 2:26:47
  Speaker 3: and I'm like, I don't need 11 cars. And half
• 2:26:50
  Speaker 3: of them are trucks and they're all the same.
• 2:26:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:26:54
  Speaker 3: It's just like when I get into something, I get
• 2:26:56
  Speaker 3: so into it.
• 2:26:56
  Speaker 2: But as I'm getting older, I'm getting better at checking myself.
• 2:26:59
  Speaker 3: Good.
• 2:27:00
  Speaker 2: That's good. Getting better at that is very important to
• 2:27:04
  Speaker 2: managing your life.
• 2:27:04
  Speaker 3: Growing up.
• 2:27:04
  Speaker 2: It's really important. It's growing up. Well, it's also just
• 2:27:07
  Speaker 2: realizing that there's some addictions that are just not beneficial
• 2:27:10
  Speaker 2: at all and then other ones that are really beneficial.
• 2:27:13
  Speaker 2: So just get addicted to doing things that are good
• 2:27:14
  Speaker 2: for you. Yeah. Facts. But that's the problem is that
• 2:27:20
  Speaker 2: a lot of people can't regulate their addictions well. They're
• 2:27:23
  Speaker 2: just not good at it. And so they just get
• 2:27:26
  Speaker 2: caught up and, you know, it could be anything. Oh, yeah. Preach.
• 2:27:30
  Speaker 2: That's me. Yeah. But it's also that same thing is
• 2:27:34
  Speaker 2: what causes people to get good at stuff. Correct. Which
• 2:27:37
  Speaker 2: is weird. Like if you show me a dude who
• 2:27:40
  Speaker 2: can't get addicted to anything, like there's not one thing
• 2:27:43
  Speaker 2: that is taking up too much of your time, I
• 2:27:44
  Speaker 2: probably can't hang out with you. And it's not good. Yeah,
• 2:27:47
  Speaker 2: not good.
• 2:27:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah, because that same obsession is what got me to
• 2:27:50
  Speaker 3: the UFC or football.
• 2:27:51
  Speaker 2: Exactly. Exactly. Like being all in on something I think
• 2:27:55
  Speaker 2: is where– that's where obsession can lead. The scary one
• 2:28:00
  Speaker 2: for me, I think, not for me personally, but when
• 2:28:02
  Speaker 2: I see it is gambling. Super scary. Because I see
• 2:28:06
  Speaker 2: people that are really rich, not just Dana, but other
• 2:28:09
  Speaker 2: people that I know that are really rich that gamble
• 2:28:11
  Speaker 2: big numbers. And it freaks me out. Like big poker
• 2:28:15
  Speaker 2: games and crazy amounts of money they gamble on stuff.
• 2:28:18
  Speaker 2: And I was like, I don't like that.
• 2:28:21
  Speaker 3: But you get your rocks off in other ways. I
• 2:28:23
  Speaker 3: think for those like super rich people, like that's kind of.
• 2:28:27
  Speaker 3: Like they can buy any car. They can buy any
• 2:28:29
  Speaker 3: house or go on any trip. In order to get
• 2:28:32
  Speaker 3: their rocks off, that's how they do it.
• 2:28:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but it has to be a big number for
• 2:28:36
  Speaker 2: them to feel it. Because the juice has to be
• 2:28:37
  Speaker 2: so high. If they bet $ 100 on something, they don't
• 2:28:40
  Speaker 2: even know. That doesn't mean– they might not even cash
• 2:28:42
  Speaker 2: that ticket. Like they don't feel it. You know how
• 2:28:44
  Speaker 2: you and I are similar with obsession. Do your kiddos
• 2:28:48
  Speaker 2: have that? Do you see it in anything? Oh, yeah.
• 2:28:50
  Speaker 3: In a positive way?
• 2:28:50
  Speaker 2: Super driven. But it's very positive. Kids imitate the atmosphere
• 2:28:54
  Speaker 2: that they grow up in. And if your parents have
• 2:28:56
  Speaker 2: a hard work ethic and they're disciplined and they're kind,
• 2:28:59
  Speaker 2: generally speaking, that's how your kids come out. Yeah. I
• 2:29:02
  Speaker 2: think that. So when I see shitty kids, I generally,
• 2:29:06
  Speaker 2: genuinely think that it's– at least part of it is
• 2:29:09
  Speaker 2: from the parents.
• 2:29:09
  Speaker 3: Dude, I coach my son's baseball and football teams. The
• 2:29:14
  Speaker 3: crazy parents I deal with, buddy. Dude. And I try
• 2:29:20
  Speaker 3: to talk to the dads because most of them respect me.
• 2:29:22
  Speaker 2: So I'll go.
• 2:29:23
  Speaker 3: Can I give you some advice, man?
• 2:29:24
  Speaker 2: You got to back off, dude. But they can't. They can't.
• 2:29:28
  Speaker 3: You'd have to change who they are. And I tell them,
• 2:29:31
  Speaker 3: I'm like, I'm trying to help you out here. You
• 2:29:36
  Speaker 3: love baseball, whatever.
• 2:29:37
  Speaker 2: You love football.
• 2:29:38
  Speaker 3: Your son has told me he wants to quit. Now,
• 2:29:41
  Speaker 3: the reason he wants to quit is because you've made
• 2:29:43
  Speaker 3: it not fun. He used to love this game. When
• 2:29:46
  Speaker 3: I first got here, nothing he loved more than football.
• 2:29:49
  Speaker 3: Now he wants to quit because you've made it a
• 2:29:51
  Speaker 3: job for him. You fucked up, dude. And who's it
• 2:29:54
  Speaker 3: going to affect? A, it's going to suck for him
• 2:29:55
  Speaker 3: because he likes football. You're not going to be able
• 2:29:57
  Speaker 3: to watch your kid play football, dude. Because you decide
• 2:30:00
  Speaker 3: to make it not fun.
• 2:30:01
  Speaker 2: You're going to fuck up your relationship with your kid.
• 2:30:03
  Speaker 3: Facts.
• 2:30:05
  Speaker 2: I don't force my kids into doing it other than
• 2:30:07
  Speaker 2: they have to go to school. I don't force my
• 2:30:08
  Speaker 2: kids into doing anything they don't want to do. If
• 2:30:10
  Speaker 2: they're not interested in it, you don't have to do it.
• 2:30:13
  Speaker 2: But find something you are interested in. That's my thing.
• 2:30:16
  Speaker 3: Whatever you're into, let's ride. I don't give a fuck
• 2:30:17
  Speaker 3: what it is. It just so happens it's baseball, football. Cool,
• 2:30:20
  Speaker 3: let's ride, man.
• 2:30:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but you have a great personality for that and
• 2:30:23
  Speaker 2: that you're very encouraging your kids. But you're not– it's
• 2:30:27
  Speaker 2: not you thinking like your self-worth is not tied up
• 2:30:32
  Speaker 2: to your kids' performance. You just want your kids to
• 2:30:35
  Speaker 2: have fun. Yep. The problem is with some people, their
• 2:30:39
  Speaker 2: kid is almost like their racehorse or something. You know
• 2:30:42
  Speaker 2: what I mean? Like it's like their whole personality gets
• 2:30:46
  Speaker 2: wrapped around their kid being an elite athlete.
• 2:30:48
  Speaker 3: Brother, and now it's worse because– especially in baseball, right?
• 2:30:51
  Speaker 3: It's like it's a business now. It's over a billion-dollar business.
• 2:30:54
  Speaker 3: So now it's like there's these– Travel ball, when I
• 2:30:57
  Speaker 3: was a kid, you had to be really fucking good. Well,
• 2:30:59
  Speaker 3: now every parent wants to say their kid's travel ball.
• 2:31:02
  Speaker 3: So there's the majors and there's two teams at the majors.
• 2:31:05
  Speaker 3: There's three triple-A, three double-A, three single-A. I just want
• 2:31:09
  Speaker 3: my– I don't need the best 10-year-old. I just want
• 2:31:11
  Speaker 3: him playing. So I don't give a– he made the
• 2:31:12
  Speaker 3: majors team. I don't give a fuck. It's majors, triple-A, rec.
• 2:31:16
  Speaker 3: We're playing wherever.
• 2:31:17
  Speaker 2: Have fun. Have fun. And apply yourself to something.
• 2:31:21
  Speaker 3: And apply yourself. And I don't give a fuck what
• 2:31:25
  Speaker 3: level we're at. We'll play it all. And some of
• 2:31:27
  Speaker 3: the parents, I'll come back from a tournament, they'll be like, oh.
• 2:31:29
  Speaker 2: You played double A?
• 2:31:30
  Speaker 3: I'm like, yeah, it's baseball, man. You think he can
• 2:31:34
  Speaker 3: only play majors so, what, I can sit around with
• 2:31:37
  Speaker 3: a water cooler and brag to you guys?
• 2:31:39
  Speaker 2: I don't give a fuck. Isn't it crazy that people will, like,
• 2:31:41
  Speaker 2: talk down about a kid who's not playing as good
• 2:31:43
  Speaker 2: as other kids?
• 2:31:44
  Speaker 3: Oh, it's wild.
• 2:31:44
  Speaker 2: It's like, what are you– But, you know, that's the,
• 2:31:48
  Speaker 2: it's like stage moms, you know, there's a thing like
• 2:31:51
  Speaker 2: that with actors.
• 2:31:52
  Speaker 3: To your point, he's tied up in what they, what
• 2:31:54
  Speaker 3: they don't realize that they're fucking it all up.
• 2:31:56
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah. It's all going to get fucked up. I've
• 2:31:58
  Speaker 2: seen that with a lot of young actors where their
• 2:32:02
  Speaker 2: parents were like super involved in their career and then
• 2:32:04
  Speaker 2: the kid just did not want to do it anymore.
• 2:32:06
  Speaker 2: And generally, like I've seen it a few times and
• 2:32:09
  Speaker 2: one of them that I know really well where the
• 2:32:11
  Speaker 2: parents stole money from the kid. Fuck dude. Yeah, he
• 2:32:14
  Speaker 2: stole like $ 6 million. Jesus Christ. I'll tell you who
• 2:32:16
  Speaker 2: it is after the show. That's terrible. Oh, it's awful.
• 2:32:18
  Speaker 2: It's awful. It's like devastated him to find out. But
• 2:32:21
  Speaker 2: it's like that's what they're doing. They're using the kid
• 2:32:24
  Speaker 2: as a piggy bank. They quit working. They relied entirely
• 2:32:27
  Speaker 2: on the kid. The kid's acting. Think about the pressure
• 2:32:29
  Speaker 2: on the kid.
• 2:32:30
  Speaker 3: Oh, I got to afford all this so we can
• 2:32:32
  Speaker 3: fucking live? I know.
• 2:32:33
  Speaker 2: And I'm nine? Not only that, but then, you know,
• 2:32:35
  Speaker 2: the kid starts feeling like, hey, this is my fucking money.
• 2:32:40
  Speaker 2: You don't tell me I can't have cereal. Go fuck yourself.
• 2:32:44
  Speaker 2: He's the boss?
• 2:32:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:32:45
  Speaker 2: I mean, he had problems with it too. They all
• 2:32:48
  Speaker 2: have problems with it. And then on top of that,
• 2:32:49
  Speaker 2: it's just super unhealthy for your kid to get famous
• 2:32:52
  Speaker 2: when they're 10. Horrible. Also for pretending.
• 2:32:56
  Speaker 1: Horrible.
• 2:32:56
  Speaker 2: Famous for pretending. That's what, how's that going to affect
• 2:32:59
  Speaker 2: your personality?
• 2:33:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 2:33:02
  Speaker 2: Well, there's a lot of parents out there, man, that
• 2:33:04
  Speaker 2: just don't understand you're developing a human being. And one
• 2:33:09
  Speaker 2: of the reasons they don't understand is they're not developed well.
• 2:33:11
  Speaker 3: Correct.
• 2:33:11
  Speaker 2: They're fucking nuts. Or the biggest problem is usually the
• 2:33:14
  Speaker 2: parents who never played.
• 2:33:16
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 2:33:17
  Speaker 2: And they're like, man, you'll see just.
• 2:33:19
  Speaker 3: A glimpse that their son has some talent and then
• 2:33:22
  Speaker 3: they're the worst.
• 2:33:23
  Speaker 2: Did your kid into cars? You big time. Oh, that's nice.
• 2:33:26
  Speaker 2: Big time. You got to teach them how to drive
• 2:33:28
  Speaker 2: so they don't do something stupid when they get old.
• 2:33:30
  Speaker 2: That's what I tell them all the time. Yeah. All
• 2:33:31
  Speaker 2: the fucking time. Yeah, don't do anything dumb. Oh, no,
• 2:33:33
  Speaker 2: they're going to learn how to drive a manual. It's
• 2:33:34
  Speaker 2: the easiest way to do your car.
• 2:33:36
  Speaker 3: Jamie, you want to make sure your car doesn't get stolen?
• 2:33:38
  Speaker 2: Buy a manual. The criminals these days don't know how
• 2:33:40
  Speaker 2: to drive a manual. He doesn't even know how to
• 2:33:41
  Speaker 2: drive one. Do you know how to drive one?
• 2:33:42
  Speaker 3: Sure.
• 2:33:42
  Speaker 2: Oh, he's going to burn that clutch. Look at him.
• 2:33:44
  Speaker 1: I haven't done it in a long time.
• 2:33:45
  Speaker 2: You could figure it out doing a blackboard. I definitely
• 2:33:47
  Speaker 2: could do it right now. Yeah, especially if you're only
• 2:33:49
  Speaker 2: driving 10 miles a day.
• 2:33:51
  Speaker 3: Oh, you're a perfect candidate.
• 2:33:52
  Speaker 1: I just don't want to.
• 2:33:54
  Speaker 2: That's disappointing. Yeah, no, my kids know their shit.
• 2:33:58
  Speaker 1: I mean, there's so many other cars in the world.
• 2:34:02
  Speaker 1: It doesn't have to be that one.
• 2:34:03
  Speaker 2: What do you like?
• 2:34:04
  Speaker 1: I'm not driving anywhere.
• 2:34:07
  Speaker 2: We know you like track cars. Okay, okay, okay. But
• 2:34:09
  Speaker 2: let's just put all that aside. What cars do you
• 2:34:12
  Speaker 2: look at? Ooh, I like that. Or do you look
• 2:34:14
  Speaker 2: at a car that you like and go, that's a target?
• 2:34:16
  Speaker 1: No, if it's one I like, it ends up honestly
• 2:34:19
  Speaker 1: being like... Like an X6, somewhere in that range. X5, X6, AMG, GLE.
• 2:34:25
  Speaker 2: Okay. Now we're talking. Like that. I don't know.
• 2:34:29
  Speaker 1: Somewhere in there.
• 2:34:29
  Speaker 2: Those are dope looking.
• 2:34:30
  Speaker 1: I'll tell you what.
• 2:34:31
  Speaker 2: Whoever made the new grills on the BMW should be
• 2:34:36
  Speaker 2: dick slapped into the hospital. Like, he should. Like, what
• 2:34:45
  Speaker 2: the fuck did you do to one of the most
• 2:34:48
  Speaker 2: iconic grills in the, like, the M4s? Like, blech. Yeah.
• 2:34:53
  Speaker 2: What did you do?
• 2:34:55
  Speaker 3: They're just trying to switch it up, you know, and
• 2:34:58
  Speaker 3: they miss.
• 2:34:58
  Speaker 2: Oh, but who let that go through? Bring that up, Jamie.
• 2:35:01
  Speaker 2: Who greened with that? The only one that looks good
• 2:35:04
  Speaker 2: or looks decent is the 7 Series. There's something about
• 2:35:07
  Speaker 2: the proportions of the 7 Series with that big grill.
• 2:35:09
  Speaker 2: It doesn't bother me. That M2 is fucking tasty, too, though. Okay,
• 2:35:12
  Speaker 2: that's dope.
• 2:35:13
  Speaker 3: Those things can cook.
• 2:35:13
  Speaker 2: But they didn't get it goofy with the grill. You're
• 2:35:16
  Speaker 2: talking about that one, right?
• 2:35:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 2:35:17
  Speaker 2: Come the fuck on with that.
• 2:35:18
  Speaker 1: They've sort of fixed it as time's gone by, but
• 2:35:20
  Speaker 1: it's still got a big gap like that.
• 2:35:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't like it. The earlier ones were the
• 2:35:25
  Speaker 2: grossest ones. But look at that right there. The lower.
• 2:35:29
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry. That one's good, but the left one, the
• 2:35:32
  Speaker 2: white one. The white one. Yeah, that's it. Look at that.
• 2:35:35
  Speaker 2: That's perfect. That's perfect.
• 2:35:37
  Speaker 1: That's pretty. That's perfect.
• 2:35:38
  Speaker 3: Do you still have the M5?
• 2:35:41
  Speaker 2: No, but I do have the E46 M3. Oh, yeah.
• 2:35:44
  Speaker 2: Those are cool. The 2005. Those are fucking awesome. That
• 2:35:47
  Speaker 2: one's fucking great. That is literally a perfect car. That's
• 2:35:50
  Speaker 2: a great car. Like that one. That one's gross. That grille,
• 2:35:54
  Speaker 2: the lower right one, the bronze colored one. Blech.
• 2:35:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah, my brother has that new M2 manual, and that
• 2:36:00
  Speaker 3: thing fucking cooks.
• 2:36:01
  Speaker 2: Oh, M2s are amazing. That's cool. Those are amazing. BMW,
• 2:36:04
  Speaker 2: to their credit, is still making manual transmissions.
• 2:36:07
  Speaker 1: Awful. It's a little better.
• 2:36:08
  Speaker 2: Do they make a manual in the M5? They don't, right?
• 2:36:12
  Speaker 2: I don't think so. I think the M5 is only...
• 2:36:16
  Speaker 2: Does it make a manual? The M5s are so heavy now.
• 2:36:19
  Speaker 2: That's their issue.
• 2:36:21
  Speaker 1: Manual's not the first thing coming up.
• 2:36:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think they make it a manual transmission anymore.
• 2:36:28
  Speaker 2: See if it says manual transmission....
• 2:36:32
  Speaker 1: That one's automatic.
• 2:36:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I think they make the M4 manual.
• 2:36:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:36:38
  Speaker 2: Oh, six speed. But that's the E60 V10. That's an
• 2:36:41
  Speaker 2: old one. Those are dope. The V10s are cool. V10s
• 2:36:44
  Speaker 2: sound amazing. They sound amazing. My E46 is not that fast.
• 2:36:51
  Speaker 3: There it is.
• 2:36:52
  Speaker 2: That's old.
• 2:36:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 2:36:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So those are the last ones they made in
• 2:36:55
  Speaker 2: the manual. But my E46 is small. That's what you want.
• 2:37:00
  Speaker 2: It doesn't weigh a lot. It handles really good. It's
• 2:37:02
  Speaker 2: got hydraulic steering, manual transmission, and it's a Dynon, so
• 2:37:08
  Speaker 2: it has a supercharger on it. So it's a little faster.
• 2:37:11
  Speaker 2: So it's like 400-something horsepower. Monster. Dude, it's just fun.
• 2:37:16
  Speaker 2: You feel it while you're driving it. And they look
• 2:37:19
  Speaker 2: fucking awesome.
• 2:37:19
  Speaker 1: I said something weird and I was trying to track that.
• 2:37:21
  Speaker 1: I said that they got two of them that were...
• 2:37:23
  Speaker 1: Unless there's only two vehicles here.
• 2:37:25
  Speaker 2: What does it say?
• 2:37:26
  Speaker 1: It might be just not an American thing.
• 2:37:27
  Speaker 2: Does that make sense? No, those are old.
• 2:37:29
  Speaker 1: No, I know... I'll tell you what I saw.
• 2:37:31
  Speaker 2: Oh, that they, so put in 2026 BMW M5 manual.
• 2:37:37
  Speaker 1: I just saw that. We got two versions of the
• 2:37:39
  Speaker 1: BMW M5 with a manual that the rest of the
• 2:37:41
  Speaker 1: world missed out on. That's what I saw and was
• 2:37:43
  Speaker 1: clicking on.
• 2:37:44
  Speaker 2: When does that, though, if you click on it?
• 2:37:47
  Speaker 1: 2025.
• 2:37:47
  Speaker 2: Right, but I think they're talking about old cars. I
• 2:37:50
  Speaker 2: think they're doing a history. BMW still has them. Because
• 2:37:53
  Speaker 2: it says two versions. They're talking about older cars. BMW
• 2:37:56
  Speaker 2: still has great interiors, too.
• 2:37:58
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
• 2:37:58
  Speaker 2: Some manufacturers still fucking do it right. BMW does it right.
• 2:38:02
  Speaker 2: They're really good. It's a solid car. And the new M5,
• 2:38:05
  Speaker 2: even if it isn't a manual, is a fucking screamer
• 2:38:08
  Speaker 2: of a car. They're monsters. Yeah, but they have to
• 2:38:09
  Speaker 2: make them hybrids now. I know. Because of all the
• 2:38:13
  Speaker 2: fucking environmental shit.
• 2:38:15
  Speaker 3: Did you see Trump got rid of the engine start?
• 2:38:19
  Speaker 2: You know how when you stop, he got rid of that.
• 2:38:21
  Speaker 2: That's good. I don't like that. It drives me nuts.
• 2:38:24
  Speaker 2: And I don't like that in some cars I have
• 2:38:26
  Speaker 2: to press the don't do that at every red light.
• 2:38:28
  Speaker 2: Don't do that. I fucking hate it. Don't do that.
• 2:38:30
  Speaker 3: I hate it.
• 2:38:31
  Speaker 2: It drives me fucking nuts. It's stupid. You're not saving anything.
• 2:38:34
  Speaker 2: All you're doing is cooking my starter. Yeah. Because the
• 2:38:37
  Speaker 2: starter's got to start 50 times more. How crazy that
• 2:38:38
  Speaker 2: Trump was like, I'm getting rid of that.
• 2:38:40
  Speaker 1: It's so annoying. I've been parking next to one of these.
• 2:38:41
  Speaker 2: It's dangerous. Is that a Maserati?
• 2:38:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's sick.
• 2:38:45
  Speaker 2: Ooh, boy. Those are cool. In person, they're really nice.
• 2:38:48
  Speaker 1: Those are dope.
• 2:38:49
  Speaker 2: That's a beautiful car. Why don't you get one of them, Jamie?
• 2:38:51
  Speaker 1: Well.
• 2:38:54
  Speaker 2: What's up? I don't know. He's worried about the attention.
• 2:38:57
  Speaker 1: I just had a tire problem. I didn't go that far.
• 2:38:59
  Speaker 1: The Model S tires just fell apart after 10,000 miles.
• 2:39:04
  Speaker 3: I know.
• 2:39:05
  Speaker 2: That was weird. The way your tires fell apart was weird.
• 2:39:08
  Speaker 2: That didn't make any sense because he said he had
• 2:39:10
  Speaker 2: a flat tire, and then he got a look at it,
• 2:39:12
  Speaker 2: and it was like there's. The wires around, he'd worn
• 2:39:15
  Speaker 2: down the tread at 10,000 miles.
• 2:39:18
  Speaker 3: Well, that's the problem with electric cars, because they're so heavy,
• 2:39:20
  Speaker 3: so you're going through tires faster.
• 2:39:22
  Speaker 2: But I didn't think it would be that fast. 10,000
• 2:39:24
  Speaker 2: miles is crazy. Jerry might be driving like a maniac.
• 2:39:27
  Speaker 2: Fucking nutty.
• 2:39:28
  Speaker 1: I bet he is.
• 2:39:28
  Speaker 2: I bet he's going sideways.
• 2:39:29
  Speaker 3: The wire, dude?
• 2:39:30
  Speaker 2: You know how ratchet, you got to be able to
• 2:39:32
  Speaker 2: wear down to the wire? I think it's the weight. Yeah,
• 2:39:34
  Speaker 2: it's the weight. Because we looked it up, and it
• 2:39:36
  Speaker 2: was like 15,000 miles. So he's just a little bit
• 2:39:39
  Speaker 2: more lead foot. Heavy foot. A little more lead foot.
• 2:39:42
  Speaker 2: Lead foot, Jamie. Just a sign to get out of
• 2:39:44
  Speaker 2: the lead. As he gets older, we'll start calling him
• 2:39:46
  Speaker 2: lead foot, Jamie.
• 2:39:47
  Speaker 1: These are dope. Aston Martins are dope.
• 2:39:49
  Speaker 2: Fuck yeah, bud. Now we're talking, son. Come on, Jamie.
• 2:39:52
  Speaker 2: You know some good shit.
• 2:39:54
  Speaker 1: Here we go. I just don't like Blackwing Cadillac.
• 2:39:57
  Speaker 2: Okay. Okay, you don't like Cadillac. Okay, that's fine. Aston
• 2:40:00
  Speaker 2: Martins are fucking awesome. It's fine. Everybody has different tastes.
• 2:40:04
  Speaker 1: That's fine.
• 2:40:04
  Speaker 2: As long as you like that. You like something.
• 2:40:07
  Speaker 3: Dude, I'll go on Facebook Marketplace for you. We'll get
• 2:40:09
  Speaker 3: you track hawks.
• 2:40:11
  Speaker 2: We'll get you Aston Martins. He's got to get something.
• 2:40:14
  Speaker 2: We've got to get him something fun. Let us know
• 2:40:17
  Speaker 2: the budget, dude. We'll get something. He seems a little hesitant.
• 2:40:19
  Speaker 2: But he does seem open to it. Well, you drove
• 2:40:22
  Speaker 2: race cars before around the track.
• 2:40:24
  Speaker 1: That's fun. I do that all the time.
• 2:40:26
  Speaker 2: But you could buy a car that you can drive
• 2:40:27
  Speaker 2: your own. We're going to have a studio at the track.
• 2:40:30
  Speaker 1: It's more fun to not drive your own race car.
• 2:40:32
  Speaker 2: That's true. That's true. You don't worry about fucking it up.
• 2:40:34
  Speaker 2: That's a good point. So your show's on 2B.
• 2:40:37
  Speaker 3: Show's on 2B. Gearhead's Gone Wild. There's four episodes.
• 2:40:41
  Speaker 2: And are you releasing new ones?
• 2:40:42
  Speaker 3: You can binge watch all four of them right now.
• 2:40:44
  Speaker 3: And then if the four do well, they're going to
• 2:40:46
  Speaker 3: order a bunch more. And that's where I do Hennessy,
• 2:40:49
  Speaker 3: Gun to Works. I got some big boys like that.
• 2:40:50
  Speaker 2: And how long are each show?
• 2:40:53
  Speaker 3: I think they're like 28 minutes each.
• 2:40:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:40:55
  Speaker 3: Okay, cool.
• 2:40:56
  Speaker 2: And it's Gearheads Gone Wild. Yes, they're on Tubi. On Tubi.
• 2:40:59
  Speaker 1: Yep.
• 2:40:59
  Speaker 2: So it might be the first time I ever go
• 2:41:01
  Speaker 2: to Tubi. I've never been to Tubi. Please do. I
• 2:41:04
  Speaker 2: only heard about it like a year ago. I just
• 2:41:06
  Speaker 2: found out about it. three months ago. I just can't
• 2:41:09
  Speaker 2: believe it has that many fucking people viewing it.
• 2:41:10
  Speaker 3: When they're like, we got a buyer at Tubi, I'm like, okay,
• 2:41:14
  Speaker 3: let's fucking do it.
• 2:41:15
  Speaker 2: They've been awesome. That's great. It's easy to watch. Well,
• 2:41:18
  Speaker 2: someone's going to be watching it if it's that many people.
• 2:41:20
  Speaker 2: But it sounds awesome, dude. I'm glad you're doing something
• 2:41:23
  Speaker 2: that you enjoy. I definitely will. It's our shit. All right, brother.
• 2:41:26
  Speaker 2: You'll love it, man. Thanks for doing this. I love you.
• 2:41:28
  Speaker 3: Thank you.
• 2:41:29
  Speaker 2: Thank you. All right. Goodbye, everybody. See you.