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Josie and the Pussycats w/ Mary O'Connell · Everyone's A Critic

• 0:00
  SPEAKER_02: From the beginning to end there with seventy three companies.
• 0:14
  SPEAKER_02: Lisa makes a load.
• 0:17
  SPEAKER_02: Aaliyah.
• 0:19
  SPEAKER_02: And we all said it.
• 0:22
  SPEAKER_05: I do think that I'm gonna.
• 0:27
  SPEAKER_05: Hello, thank you for having me.
• 0:29
  SPEAKER_05: How are you doing today?
• 0:30
  SPEAKER_05: I'm good.
• 0:31
  SPEAKER_05: I'm excited.
• 0:32
  SPEAKER_05: I was listening to the soundtrack on the way over here.
• 0:35
  SPEAKER_02: Wow.
• 0:35
  SPEAKER_05: Um, because I wanted to really get in the mood.
• 0:38
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 0:41
  SPEAKER_02: Perfect, yeah.
• 0:41
  SPEAKER_02: It's like this is one of the ones where it's like you can actually listen to the soundtrack for it.
• 0:45
  SPEAKER_02: It's like fully realized soundtrack.
• 0:49
  SPEAKER_05: You've got the soundtrack of two bands, essentially.
• 0:51
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, exactly.
• 0:52
  SPEAKER_05: Oh, because you have Josie and the Pussycats and DeJore.
• 0:55
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 0:57
  SPEAKER_05: The band from the cold open film.
• 1:01
  SPEAKER_02: Wait, with the DeJour stuff, is it only one song though?
• 1:04
  SPEAKER_02: Or is it There's a couple.
• 1:05
  SPEAKER_05: A couple on the soundtrack.
• 1:07
  SPEAKER_05: There's a couple on the soundtrack.
• 1:09
  SPEAKER_05: Like, there's one that's featured heavily in the film, and then they kind of did tease a little bit of one of the other ones in the film, but like, but yeah, there's a couple in the soundtrack.
• 1:19
  SPEAKER_02: That's one of the funniest parts of the whole movie.
• 1:21
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:22
  SPEAKER_05: The way it opens is great.
• 1:23
  SPEAKER_05: Sorry, I know that we'd like we started on the film.
• 1:25
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, we've gone straight to the film.
• 1:26
  SPEAKER_05: We've gone straight to the film.
• 1:27
  SPEAKER_05: I've been into it.
• 1:29
  SPEAKER_02: Other than that, what how what have you been up to lately?
• 1:31
  SPEAKER_05: What um so I have been very stressed because I have got to sell loads of tickets to a show.
• 1:39
  SPEAKER_05: You do, yeah.
• 1:40
  SPEAKER_05: Um, I'm taping a stand-up special of my debut hour, Money Princess.
• 1:46
  SPEAKER_05: So this is it's very dear to my heart.
• 1:48
  SPEAKER_05: It's weird, like, because this was the first hour that I wrote, and your debut hour is always this like weird, horrible, traumatic experience.
• 1:56
  SPEAKER_02: It's hard, it's so hard.
• 1:57
  SPEAKER_02: Everyone's in the world.
• 1:58
  SPEAKER_05: It's difficult.
• 1:59
  SPEAKER_05: It's really difficult.
• 2:00
  SPEAKER_05: The amount of times I cried over this first hour.
• 2:04
  SPEAKER_05: Then you look back at it and I'm like, oh, I'm a much better writer now.
• 2:08
  SPEAKER_05: Of course.
• 2:08
  SPEAKER_05: And you know, because I've been growing, I've developed, but I needed that first hour to get me there.
• 2:12
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 2:13
  SPEAKER_05: And so, but I'm like, everything is worth documenting.
• 2:16
  SPEAKER_05: That's the way that I'm trying to move in life.
• 2:18
  SPEAKER_05: So I'm gonna be taping it on the 19th of November at the Pleasants Theatre, Islington.
• 2:23
  SPEAKER_05: So please come buy a ticket.
• 2:26
  SPEAKER_05: I would love for everyone in the world to come.
• 2:30
  SPEAKER_02: Uh it's a really, really good hour.
• 2:32
  SPEAKER_02: So like I'd really highly recommend going together.
• 2:33
  SPEAKER_02: Thank you.
• 2:34
  SPEAKER_05: Thank you for saying that.
• 2:35
  SPEAKER_05: It's weird, like looking back on it.
• 2:37
  SPEAKER_02: It's a wild story.
• 2:38
  SPEAKER_02: It's crazy.
• 2:39
  SPEAKER_02: It's a crazy story.
• 2:40
  SPEAKER_05: It's still the most insane thing that's ever happened to me.
• 2:43
  SPEAKER_05: So if you want to like hear about the time that I like accidentally went on a reality TV show um on a a sort of questionable adult platform.
• 2:53
  SPEAKER_02: You can you can name the platform.
• 2:55
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, yeah.
• 2:55
  SPEAKER_05: Okay.
• 2:55
  SPEAKER_05: So I went on a uh comedy competition on OnlyFans.
• 2:59
  SPEAKER_05: That was um what it was, and and lots of people applied to it, but nowhere in the application did it say that it was a reality TV show.
• 3:08
  SPEAKER_05: Um, and that's a real choice, you know?
• 3:10
  SPEAKER_05: It is, yeah.
• 3:11
  SPEAKER_05: Going on a reality TV show is a real choice, and I feel like that choice was kind of taken away from me.
• 3:16
  SPEAKER_05: Um and I've done nothing but complain about it since.
• 3:20
  SPEAKER_02: I know, and I love it.
• 3:21
  SPEAKER_02: It seems like all of you have done nothing but complain about it since.
• 3:25
  SPEAKER_05: We're all just complaining about like this big opportunity that we got.
• 3:29
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, there's also um future guest coming up on this uh for one of the Christmas episodes, Don McGovern was one of the one of the contestants as well.
• 3:37
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 3:38
  SPEAKER_05: Um, and he's uh yeah, he was one of the contestants on the show, and I think more recently he's done one of their LMAOF shows.
• 3:48
  SPEAKER_05: And so I so he'll probably like contractually have to post on OnlyFans.
• 3:53
  SPEAKER_05: Because when they did it with us, we didn't have to, we there was no contract, we didn't have to post.
• 3:56
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it was the first thing they did for comedy, wasn't it?
• 3:58
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 3:59
  SPEAKER_05: So they did the competition and that maybe didn't work super well, and so they haven't done it since.
• 4:06
  SPEAKER_05: Um, but they have been doing like these like sort of like one-off like stand-up special, maybe like it'll be like eight or so minutes of someone's stuff that they put on the platform.
• 4:16
  SPEAKER_02: Um a lot more people are doing that now.
• 4:18
  SPEAKER_05: I'm every comedian's on is on OnlyFans now, like it feels like the end of days.
• 4:25
  SPEAKER_05: I like this is the thing though, because I'm like I can't slate it like because this is the platform that is actually paying comedians, and we don't have many options.
• 4:35
  SPEAKER_05: It's the only one that's paying comedians.
• 4:37
  SPEAKER_05: So I'm like, fair enough.
• 4:38
  SPEAKER_05: And it's you know, it's where I got my biggest payday, and so I have to like come come watch the show.
• 4:45
  SPEAKER_05: I don't want to give too much away.
• 4:47
  SPEAKER_01: I don't want to spoil it, but like you can Google it.
• 4:49
  SPEAKER_05: It's been like, you know, but surprisingly few people knew that it happened to me.
• 4:53
  SPEAKER_02: It's a like this is what's so fascinating.
• 4:55
  SPEAKER_02: It's a really fascinating story.
• 4:57
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 4:57
  SPEAKER_02: It's like so interesting.
• 4:58
  SPEAKER_02: And like it's home.
• 5:03
  SPEAKER_05: Um, so yeah, I'm excited and I'm um nervous about doing that.
• 5:08
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 5:08
  SPEAKER_05: Um also I'm going to Berlin next week, which I've not planned at all.
• 5:12
  SPEAKER_05: I just wanted to sort of like, my friend's going, you know, you know, Charlene.
• 5:15
  SPEAKER_05: Charlene's going to to Berlin.
• 5:17
  SPEAKER_05: She's going for like a bit longer, and I was like, oh, I'll come for a week.
• 5:20
  SPEAKER_05: And I just booked it.
• 5:21
  SPEAKER_05: Um and so I booked the gigs first.
• 5:24
  SPEAKER_05: I was like, let me book.
• 5:25
  SPEAKER_05: Are you doing it around gigs?
• 5:27
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 5:28
  SPEAKER_05: And um, and so I'm gonna go next week, do some gigs, maybe just have some time away to to to memorize this this show.
• 5:37
  SPEAKER_05: Um try and get into Bergheim.
• 5:40
  SPEAKER_05: It's not super important to me, I guess.
• 5:43
  SPEAKER_05: I'll be upset if I don't get in.
• 5:45
  SPEAKER_05: I've never been to Berlin.
• 5:46
  SPEAKER_02: No, you never been at all.
• 5:48
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, yeah.
• 5:49
  SPEAKER_05: We'll see.
• 5:50
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 5:50
  SPEAKER_05: We'll see.
• 5:51
  SPEAKER_05: Like, if I'm not like Bergheim material, like I can accept that it's okay.
• 5:54
  SPEAKER_05: I can't be asked to buy new clothes right now.
• 5:57
  SPEAKER_05: I think I could probably get in with like a nice black set, but like, I mean, like, look at me today, I'm just like Wallace and Grummet.
• 6:03
  SPEAKER_02: Like, it's not Do you know who to speak to?
• 6:06
  SPEAKER_02: Well, Milo upstairs, he's been so many times.
• 6:09
  SPEAKER_02: Oh really?
• 6:10
  unknown: Yeah.
• 6:13
  SPEAKER_05: That's funny.
• 6:14
  SPEAKER_02: He does kind of look like he's got some great stories from it, but it's like he's told before, but like it's yeah, definitely ask him how to get in like the best ways for getting in.
• 6:22
  SPEAKER_05: I'll ask him how to get into Bergheim.
• 6:25
  SPEAKER_05: It's good when comedians have other skills.
• 6:32
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it's uh that would be I've Bergheim terrifies me.
• 6:36
  SPEAKER_02: I don't think I'd ever want to go there myself.
• 6:38
  SPEAKER_05: I just think I would do it like once for the story.
• 6:42
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 6:42
  SPEAKER_05: Like for the lulls.
• 6:44
  SPEAKER_05: Um, a friend of mine went because so she goes to Berlin quite a lot because she's got family in Germany, yeah, and she had a flight that was delayed, and so she was like, Well, I might as well just go to Bergheim.
• 6:54
  SPEAKER_05: And I was like, what do you mean?
• 6:56
  SPEAKER_05: It was like a Wednesday.
• 6:58
  SPEAKER_02: Like open on a Wednesday?
• 7:00
  SPEAKER_05: I guess so.
• 7:01
  SPEAKER_05: I guess like yeah.
• 7:03
  SPEAKER_05: And I was like, the fact if I had a flight delay, this is how much I travel, okay.
• 7:08
  SPEAKER_05: Like, I'm not super well travelled, I'm not a great traveller, it still stresses me out quite a lot.
• 7:12
  SPEAKER_05: Like if my flight was delayed, I would be stressed.
• 7:14
  SPEAKER_05: There's no way I'm going to a nightclub.
• 7:16
  SPEAKER_02: Especially in Berghine.
• 7:18
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, like, but it was like delayed because of like snow.
• 7:21
  SPEAKER_05: And so she like dropped her stuff at the hotel and she was like, Well, yeah, I'll just go to Berghain for a bit.
• 7:27
  SPEAKER_02: What cue for Berghine in the snow.
• 7:30
  SPEAKER_05: I guess it wasn't I think she was like, Yeah, I was in there pretty quickly.
• 7:33
  SPEAKER_05: So I I guess a good day to go is a day where it's not super busy.
• 7:38
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I mean a Wednesday's probably the perfect day then.
• 7:41
  SPEAKER_02: But a little tip for you then.
• 7:44
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, maybe I'll go on a Wednesday.
• 7:45
  SPEAKER_05: Catch me in Bergheim next week, Wednesday, guys.
• 7:49
  SPEAKER_02: The day of I think this is the that's the day this is coming out.
• 7:52
  SPEAKER_05: You know where I'll be.
• 7:58
  SPEAKER_05: But yeah, oh no.
• 8:01
  SPEAKER_05: I th I'll try it.
• 8:02
  SPEAKER_05: I'll give it a go.
• 8:02
  SPEAKER_05: I think it's important to give things a go.
• 8:04
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 8:04
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, how much do you know about Bergheim?
• 8:07
  SPEAKER_05: I know that it's like a sex club as well.
• 8:09
  SPEAKER_05: Um but and I know that it's techno, like a lot of stuff in Berlin.
• 8:15
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 8:15
  SPEAKER_05: And so like sex club like public sex, techno, two things I don't really enjoy.
• 8:21
  SPEAKER_02: Um Yeah, I have to agree.
• 8:23
  SPEAKER_05: I'm not really like, I think I think I don't I dislike techno more than public sex.
• 8:29
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 8:30
  SPEAKER_05: Um and like look, we've all sort of like had like a maybe a bit of a fondle in pub public before.
• 8:36
  SPEAKER_05: Like I have had sex in public places before, but not in a place where everyone else is having sex in a public place.
• 8:42
  SPEAKER_05: Um and I actually like I wrote I wrote a little Substack about like how I just don't feel cool enough with or a lot of my friends go to sex parties, and I'm like, when did we agree that this was something that people did?
• 8:54
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 8:55
  SPEAKER_05: Like I missed the boat on the sex party thing, and now it's like now this is so casual.
• 9:00
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 9:00
  SPEAKER_02: Um people are talking about it a lot more now.
• 9:03
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 9:04
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know if it was like if it's always been a thing or if it's like people are more open to it now.
• 9:07
  SPEAKER_02: That's what I'm trying to work out.
• 9:09
  SPEAKER_05: I don't know whether there's like a post-pandemic boom, whether like people who did it before, you know, they did it before, but now it is just a bit more common.
• 9:18
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 9:18
  SPEAKER_05: Um, and so people talk about it more, and I'm like, can we carry on being repressed?
• 9:25
  SPEAKER_05: Can we can we be get back to repressed, please?
• 9:29
  SPEAKER_05: I liked things better when we were repressed.
• 9:33
  SPEAKER_05: So yeah.
• 9:37
  SPEAKER_01: No, I get that.
• 9:38
  SPEAKER_01: Um yeah.
• 9:42
  SPEAKER_05: Oh, free the nipple.
• 9:43
  SPEAKER_05: How about everyone's clothed?
• 9:46
  SPEAKER_05: How about we all just stay clothed?
• 9:48
  SPEAKER_05: I'm joking, I'm taking the fist.
• 9:52
  SPEAKER_02: The only clothed person in Birkheim.
• 9:56
  SPEAKER_05: I'm just like, I'm just like here fully dressed.
• 9:58
  SPEAKER_05: I don't like I don't like new sweatshirt.
• 10:00
  SPEAKER_02: I would love if you showed up in this outfit as well.
• 10:04
  SPEAKER_05: There's no way I'm getting in in this outfit.
• 10:06
  SPEAKER_05: There's no way I'm getting in my sweater vest.
• 10:12
  SPEAKER_02: It'll be very funny if they let you in.
• 10:14
  SPEAKER_05: Oh gosh.
• 10:15
  SPEAKER_05: That'd be madness.
• 10:19
  SPEAKER_02: You should try that on the Wednesday just to see.
• 10:21
  SPEAKER_05: On the Wednesday, I'll go and I'll be like, and they're like, no, no, no, no.
• 10:25
  SPEAKER_05: Like, fair enough.
• 10:29
  SPEAKER_02: Um, yeah, I've we were just saying, like, we haven't seen each other in years.
• 10:32
  SPEAKER_05: It's been a really long time.
• 10:34
  SPEAKER_02: I keep I keep this keeps happening with people where like they'll come on this podcast and they're like, I haven't seen you in years.
• 10:38
  SPEAKER_02: I'm like, yeah, I've not seen anyone.
• 10:40
  SPEAKER_02: I've just like I've disappeared.
• 10:41
  SPEAKER_05: Well, you're a dad now.
• 10:43
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 10:43
  SPEAKER_02: How old is how old is she's 11 months now.
• 10:46
  SPEAKER_05: 11 months.
• 10:47
  SPEAKER_05: Oh wow.
• 10:48
  SPEAKER_05: Oh my god.
• 10:51
  SPEAKER_05: Cause like, um, is she gonna be going to nursery soon?
• 10:56
  SPEAKER_02: So this is the thing.
• 10:57
  SPEAKER_02: Um she was going to go to nursery.
• 11:01
  SPEAKER_02: It would have been starting now.
• 11:03
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 11:04
  SPEAKER_02: But we were like, it's too soon.
• 11:06
  SPEAKER_02: Uh-huh.
• 11:06
  SPEAKER_02: And it's also like too expensive.
• 11:09
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 11:10
  SPEAKER_02: It's crazy expensive.
• 11:11
  SPEAKER_02: But we we uh reserved her space while before she was even born.
• 11:18
  SPEAKER_02: Like months, months before she was born.
• 11:20
  SPEAKER_02: Because that's what you have to do.
• 11:22
  SPEAKER_02: It's crazy.
• 11:23
  SPEAKER_02: Like you really have to like think so far ahead.
• 11:25
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 11:26
  SPEAKER_02: So it's like probably a year ago we reserved this.
• 11:29
  SPEAKER_05: I just can't pick that.
• 11:31
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, maybe a little under a year ago.
• 11:34
  SPEAKER_02: Maybe around January time we reserved it, and it's like we went and visited this one place and we're like, yeah, this is great.
• 11:43
  SPEAKER_02: Put a deposit down.
• 11:44
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 11:44
  SPEAKER_02: And then it's just like, can we delay?
• 11:47
  SPEAKER_02: Can we delay?
• 11:47
  SPEAKER_02: Can we delay?
• 11:48
  SPEAKER_02: And then it's like, yeah.
• 11:49
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, because you don't know what's gonna happen.
• 11:51
  SPEAKER_05: Like, because it's all well and good reserving a spot before the baby's born.
• 11:55
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 11:55
  SPEAKER_05: But then, you know, the baby's born, things change, things you're adjusting to parenthood in the way that you're doing it.
• 12:02
  SPEAKER_05: And so, yeah, of course, like if you don't want to send her to nursery like at 11 months, like then absolutely fair enough.
• 12:10
  SPEAKER_05: And because yeah, I don't I mean, I it's way too soon looking at it.
• 12:17
  SPEAKER_02: But I don't know what I was doing at 11 months, but I don't remember.
• 12:23
  SPEAKER_05: I think I was at nursery like two.
• 12:25
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 12:25
  SPEAKER_05: Two free.
• 12:26
  SPEAKER_02: I've heard from what I've heard, a lot of people talk about like 14 months being like the sort of time that people kind of start, but like even that feels a little bit soon.
• 12:35
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know.
• 12:36
  SPEAKER_02: Three months from now, you I don't know.
• 12:37
  SPEAKER_04: Oh my god.
• 12:37
  SPEAKER_02: She's changed so much in the last three months, so I don't I don't know like what three months from now is gonna be like she's like very close to walking, so like standing and walking, so like that's gonna be I think by Christmas she'll be walking.
• 12:49
  SPEAKER_05: Wow.
• 12:50
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 12:50
  SPEAKER_05: That's just so crazy because it's like, oh like three months ago you couldn't talk, or that and then like and now you can talk, and now you're gonna be able to do this, and then you're gonna be like I just I don't think I'm gonna do it.
• 13:04
  SPEAKER_05: I don't think so.
• 13:04
  SPEAKER_05: I can't even drive.
• 13:05
  SPEAKER_05: I can't like I need to be able to drive.
• 13:07
  SPEAKER_05: I mean you're a you're also a North Londoner, you don't need to I gotta be up like s if because if I'm gonna have children, right?
• 13:14
  SPEAKER_05: I'm gonna do it the way that I she's gonna go to ballet lessons, yeah, like and piano lessons and stuff.
• 13:22
  SPEAKER_05: And who's gonna be taking her?
• 13:23
  SPEAKER_05: I've gotta drive.
• 13:24
  SPEAKER_05: I can't just be like, Yeah, I have to be able to drive.
• 13:27
  SPEAKER_05: And I'm also not rich.
• 13:28
  SPEAKER_05: And I'm not saying that you can't have to do it rich.
• 13:30
  SPEAKER_05: I'm just saying that I have to do it rich.
• 13:32
  SPEAKER_02: This is the thing, yeah.
• 13:34
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it's like it's not easy at all.
• 13:36
  SPEAKER_02: Like, financially, it's so expensive.
• 13:38
  SPEAKER_02: Like, you don't you do not understand, like, well, my partner's also got another child who is six, yeah.
• 13:43
  SPEAKER_02: And like, so it's two children now.
• 13:45
  SPEAKER_05: I see, okay.
• 13:46
  SPEAKER_02: So expensive.
• 13:47
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 13:48
  SPEAKER_02: Like the like this is the thing that people are talking about.
• 13:51
  SPEAKER_02: Like when when we were kids and like the stuff we would eat, now the kids are eating like avocados daily, and and and you know, cheese stripes.
• 14:01
  SPEAKER_02: We're taking them out for taking taking the six-year-old out for sushi and like you would this is ridiculous.
• 14:07
  SPEAKER_05: And then you've got to like go to Fort Park when they're old enough.
• 14:11
  SPEAKER_05: Oh god, and like it's Legoland to start with.
• 14:13
  SPEAKER_05: Legoland, yeah, yeah.
• 14:14
  SPEAKER_05: Start off with Legoland, like then move up to Cheslington, then Fort Park, and then you know.
• 14:21
  SPEAKER_05: And then they're never gonna move out until they're like 39.
• 14:24
  SPEAKER_05: Exactly, yeah.
• 14:25
  SPEAKER_05: Like, because I'm you know, I live with my parents now.
• 14:28
  SPEAKER_05: I'm not moving out anytime soon.
• 14:29
  SPEAKER_02: No, no, no.
• 14:30
  SPEAKER_05: So this is it, this is it forever.
• 14:32
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 14:33
  SPEAKER_02: It's ridiculous.
• 14:34
  SPEAKER_02: It's so expensive I like this the I I cannot even begin to explain how expensive it is.
• 14:40
  SPEAKER_05: No, I yeah.
• 14:41
  SPEAKER_05: It that's what it seems like.
• 14:44
  SPEAKER_02: We we have like nothing for ourselves, everything is like for the kids.
• 14:48
  SPEAKER_02: Everything is like the weekends are like, okay, so what are we doing with their what are they doing on the weekends?
• 14:54
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 14:55
  SPEAKER_05: You've got a birthday party or something, like like kids' birthday parties, that's just it.
• 15:01
  SPEAKER_05: And they're getting I I guess I don't know about kids' birthday parties these days, because I haven't been to one in a long time.
• 15:08
  SPEAKER_05: Um but like, but you don't have the McDonald's ones anymore.
• 15:11
  SPEAKER_05: No, no, they don't even exist.
• 15:12
  SPEAKER_05: Those don't even exist.
• 15:13
  SPEAKER_05: They don't exist.
• 15:14
  SPEAKER_05: No.
• 15:14
  SPEAKER_05: And I remember I remember those so well because I'm like, I know the order of the songs that they're gonna play.
• 15:20
  SPEAKER_05: Like it was like it was all it was the same songs for like 15 years.
• 15:24
  SPEAKER_02: What were the songs?
• 15:26
  SPEAKER_05: It was like maybe there was like Kylie, yeah, like, and there was like something about like being like a superman or something like flying or something.
• 15:33
  SPEAKER_05: There was something about that.
• 15:34
  SPEAKER_02: Like, but they just I got no memory of the songs.
• 15:37
  SPEAKER_05: I remember the songs.
• 15:39
  SPEAKER_05: I guess I've I've maybe I've like overshot it with how much I remember, but I just remember like I'm like, this is the order of the songs.
• 15:45
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, yeah.
• 15:45
  SPEAKER_05: And they're gonna get us to like maybe like dance for these songs and like yeah.
• 15:50
  SPEAKER_05: I just knew it was gonna happen.
• 15:52
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I don't remember any of the songs.
• 15:53
  SPEAKER_02: I I remember like the the little like like play pit thing where they had wherever they had like the playing area like and then pass the parcel, I guess, or stuff like that.
• 16:05
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 16:06
  SPEAKER_02: And just having a McDonald's and and a cage.
• 16:09
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 16:10
  SPEAKER_02: That's all I remember, but it was like everyone had those parties.
• 16:12
  SPEAKER_02: Everyone had those parties.
• 16:13
  SPEAKER_05: Everyone had a McDonald's party.
• 16:15
  SPEAKER_05: Back when life was simple.
• 16:18
  SPEAKER_02: Now a lot of pe now a lot of the kids are having parties in parks because it's just like this is free.
• 16:22
  SPEAKER_02: This is a few.
• 16:23
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, yeah, a park makes sense.
• 16:24
  SPEAKER_05: I like yeah, I think a park a park makes sense.
• 16:28
  SPEAKER_05: Um I don't know what the the other sort of like cost effective birthday parties are anymore.
• 16:34
  SPEAKER_02: No.
• 16:35
  SPEAKER_05: There's not really anything that because you've you used to have parties where we would go to like the cinema.
• 16:41
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, but that's so expensive.
• 16:42
  SPEAKER_05: But that's crazy expensive now, yeah.
• 16:43
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I can't even imagine doing that now.
• 16:46
  SPEAKER_05: Absolutely not.
• 16:48
  SPEAKER_02: 15 kids at a cinema, no, thank you.
• 16:51
  SPEAKER_05: Taking yourself to the cinema is hard enough.
• 16:54
  SPEAKER_02: Oh gosh.
• 16:55
  SPEAKER_05: No, crazy.
• 16:57
  SPEAKER_02: That's the other thing we've been doing is taking them to like parent and baby screenings.
• 17:01
  SPEAKER_05: Oh, that's nice.
• 17:02
  SPEAKER_02: Because it's the only way we can actually see anything.
• 17:03
  SPEAKER_05: Sure, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 17:05
  SPEAKER_02: So weird.
• 17:07
  SPEAKER_05: No, I think it's good that those um exist.
• 17:10
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 17:10
  SPEAKER_05: Do they like with the not to like compare, but I'm just I'm just thinking from the cinema's point of view.
• 17:18
  SPEAKER_05: Do they have like they have parent and baby screenings?
• 17:21
  SPEAKER_05: Do they also have like dog-friendly screenings?
• 17:23
  SPEAKER_05: Do those happen to be the same?
• 17:24
  SPEAKER_02: They're not the same.
• 17:25
  SPEAKER_02: They're not the same.
• 17:25
  SPEAKER_02: They're not the same.
• 17:27
  SPEAKER_02: I would argue the dog ones are louder.
• 17:29
  SPEAKER_05: Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 17:30
  SPEAKER_05: No, that makes sense.
• 17:32
  SPEAKER_05: Uh, because I was just wondering like how many like like if they do them.
• 17:38
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, they do.
• 17:38
  SPEAKER_02: Apparently, it's it's there's something where it's like parent and baby screenings, dog-friendly screenings, and then there's something else that they do.
• 17:46
  SPEAKER_02: I can't remember what it is, but there's like there's multiple different things that they do.
• 17:49
  SPEAKER_02: Um parent and baby screenings are reduced uh audio, like so the it's really quite it's like a lot quieter.
• 17:56
  SPEAKER_02: Um but then they put the subtitles on.
• 17:58
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, because if it's got subtitles, I mean I can't watch a film without subtitles these days.
• 18:03
  SPEAKER_02: I know my brain is ruined.
• 18:04
  SPEAKER_02: Like my brain is ruined.
• 18:05
  SPEAKER_05: I don't even think that it's your fault.
• 18:07
  SPEAKER_05: I think actors mumble.
• 18:09
  SPEAKER_02: They do?
• 18:10
  SPEAKER_05: I think actors post 2006 mumble.
• 18:15
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
• 18:16
  SPEAKER_05: And I'm like, remember the days where people used to enunciate because I don't need subtitles for like an old film.
• 18:21
  SPEAKER_05: You don't need them.
• 18:22
  SPEAKER_05: It's like actors mumble.
• 18:23
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 18:24
  SPEAKER_05: And and there's too much stuff going on.
• 18:26
  SPEAKER_05: I think sound mixing isn't what you used to do.
• 18:28
  SPEAKER_02: Sound mixing is weird now.
• 18:30
  SPEAKER_05: Sound mixing is really bad, especially like at home.
• 18:32
  SPEAKER_05: Sometimes I'm like, oh my god, I've got to turn this down.
• 18:34
  SPEAKER_05: I'm like, oh, I've got to turn it back up.
• 18:35
  SPEAKER_05: I'm like just working the remote all the time.
• 18:38
  SPEAKER_05: Um, yeah.
• 18:40
  SPEAKER_02: As someone who does sound mixing professionally, there's it's it's hard.
• 18:43
  SPEAKER_02: It's it's I get it, but like at the same time, I'm not uh I'm not doing it for for movies.
• 18:47
  SPEAKER_05: No it's yeah, no, I think subtitles have subtitles being on, that's just necessary.
• 18:57
  SPEAKER_02: I had subtitles on for this film.
• 18:59
  SPEAKER_05: Fine.
• 18:59
  SPEAKER_05: I I have subtitles on for everything.
• 19:01
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 19:02
  SPEAKER_05: Um, but but what a film.
• 19:04
  SPEAKER_05: What what an amazing film.
• 19:06
  SPEAKER_05: I'm interested to hear your thoughts on it actually.
• 19:08
  SPEAKER_02: So for people who are listening that don't realise, we're we're talking about Josie and the Pussycat, which is the 2001 um like spin it's like a spin-off of a cartoon a comic book.
• 19:22
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 19:22
  SPEAKER_02: Uh and a cartoon, I think.
• 19:24
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, because I really d never engaged with the comic book or the cartoon.
• 19:28
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know anything about the comic book or cartoon other than that it's the um it's the same people that were making like Scooby-Doo.
• 19:35
  SPEAKER_05: Okay, okay.
• 19:36
  SPEAKER_02: That's as far as I'm aware, because they tried so from what I've uh read about this, they tried to do they were gonna do a series of cartoon to to live action movies at the same around the same time.
• 19:48
  SPEAKER_02: Then they made Josephine the Pussycats, it didn't do very well, and then they just decided to not do any more.
• 19:53
  SPEAKER_05: I just don't even understand why this film didn't do well.
• 19:58
  SPEAKER_05: I think for the time, I think it's perfect.
• 20:00
  SPEAKER_05: What did you say, 2001?
• 20:01
  SPEAKER_02: 2001.
• 20:02
  SPEAKER_02: So this came is and it's 54% from critics, 53% from audience, which is very close.
• 20:08
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 20:08
  SPEAKER_02: And very low.
• 20:09
  SPEAKER_05: But I just don't get it.
• 20:11
  SPEAKER_05: I think it's perfect.
• 20:12
  SPEAKER_05: I think it's like really good satire.
• 20:16
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, this is the thing.
• 20:17
  SPEAKER_02: So uh one one of the things I was also reading about is that uh at the time it was panned by critics and audience audiences.
• 20:26
  SPEAKER_02: Then in the last sort of ten years, people have gone back and re-watched it and been like, this is actually amazing satire, and it really holds up well, and people have just misunderstood it over the years.
• 20:37
  SPEAKER_05: I don't even understand how someone could misunderstand this film because it's so spoon-fed.
• 20:42
  SPEAKER_02: In a good way, it's not like very spoon-fed.
• 20:45
  SPEAKER_05: They're not leaving much to the imagination.
• 20:47
  SPEAKER_05: Like, there are like campy villains, like you know, like it's not.
• 20:53
  SPEAKER_05: I don't know how you can misunderstand this film, but but yeah, I'd be interested to see how people did.
• 20:59
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 21:00
  SPEAKER_02: Do you want to uh do you want to explain the premise of the movie?
• 21:04
  SPEAKER_02: Like for anyone who doesn't know?
• 21:05
  SPEAKER_05: Um, so the premise of the film is that there's this band in Riverdale called The Pussycats.
• 21:12
  SPEAKER_02: And Riverdale.
• 21:14
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, Riverdale is.
• 21:15
  SPEAKER_02: So there you go, it's the Archie comics.
• 21:16
  SPEAKER_02: That's what that makes sense.
• 21:17
  SPEAKER_05: Oh, because I'm like, where is Riverdale?
• 21:19
  SPEAKER_05: Is that and is that like Riverdale is in like that YA show on Netflix?
• 21:23
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, but Archie is from Riverdale, the character Arch the Archie comic books are from Riverdale.
• 21:29
  SPEAKER_02: So that makes sense, yeah, it's all connected.
• 21:31
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 21:31
  SPEAKER_02: There we go.
• 21:32
  SPEAKER_05: There's a wider universe.
• 21:34
  SPEAKER_05: Sorry, yeah.
• 21:35
  SPEAKER_05: No, because I was like, yeah, Riverdale, that sounds familiar, but what yeah.
• 21:38
  SPEAKER_05: So they're this band, they don't, you know, they're they've got no fan base, nothing.
• 21:44
  SPEAKER_05: Uh um, and they've got like a a manager who is useless, and he's got a sister who is mean and hilarious.
• 21:52
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, and basically there's a super popular band, like kind of like Backstreet style uh backstreet.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_05: Boys' star band called DeJour.
• 22:02
  SPEAKER_05: And they are the band of the moment.
• 22:05
  SPEAKER_05: Everyone's talking about them.
• 22:06
  SPEAKER_05: Everyone's buying their CDs, buying their merch.
• 22:09
  SPEAKER_05: And the DeJour basically like they go missing in a plane crash.
• 22:15
  SPEAKER_05: And so the record company is like, we need a new band.
• 22:17
  SPEAKER_05: We need new bands straight away.
• 22:19
  SPEAKER_05: And he just, the record company guys just finds Josie and the Pussycats on the street, and he's like, These guys.
• 22:28
  SPEAKER_05: And you sort of, and and you realize the record company is very corrupt and that they've been putting subliminal messages in the music to get kids to buy things.
• 22:39
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 22:40
  SPEAKER_05: And it's hilarious.
• 22:41
  SPEAKER_05: It taught me about consumerism.
• 22:42
  SPEAKER_05: Really?
• 22:43
  SPEAKER_05: Like this, yeah, this film taught me about consumerism.
• 22:45
  SPEAKER_05: I was like, wow, like it really do be like that.
• 22:50
  SPEAKER_02: Well, one of the this is one of the interesting things about it.
• 22:53
  SPEAKER_02: There are from the beginning to end, there are 73 companies who have product placements through logos in this.
• 22:59
  SPEAKER_02: They didn't pay, they didn't get paid by any of those companies.
• 23:02
  SPEAKER_02: They just put the companies in.
• 23:04
  SPEAKER_02: What are you doing?
• 23:04
  SPEAKER_02: Why would you not get paid by those companies?
• 23:06
  SPEAKER_05: Because it's so obvious.
• 23:08
  SPEAKER_05: Because I'm like, yeah, so the private jet's sponsored by Target.
• 23:11
  SPEAKER_05: Um, the whatever immediately.
• 23:14
  SPEAKER_05: Because it's yeah, it's obvious.
• 23:16
  SPEAKER_05: It's so in your face.
• 23:18
  SPEAKER_02: Um, like they're gonna cut so much money from 73 companies to promote themselves in the movie.
• 23:24
  SPEAKER_05: I guess I don't even know if like, I mean, there must have been obviously there would have been product placement existed before 2001.
• 23:31
  SPEAKER_05: But because it's making fun of it, maybe but that meant that they just couldn't get money from them.
• 23:38
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know, because like there's that scene in Wayne's World Yeah with uh Pizza Hut where he makes fun of it.
• 23:45
  SPEAKER_02: Surely they wouldn't have got money from that.
• 23:46
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah, they did.
• 23:47
  SPEAKER_05: They did, but I guess maybe that's like because it's more of an established comedy character, because it's from Saturday Night Live, they're like, yeah, like it's it's in being in the Waynes World movie is a big deal anyway.
• 23:59
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, but like poor Josie and the Pussycats, like who no one believes in.
• 24:04
  SPEAKER_05: Um yeah, as just the aesthetics of the film is so great, like so many leather trousers.
• 24:12
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it's so like like early 2000s.
• 24:15
  SPEAKER_02: It's like really, it really like it's really a peek into like the the time frame of when it came out, and like it's yeah, amazing, amazing costumes, so much lower abs.
• 24:26
  SPEAKER_02: I was gonna say so many, so many like backless dresses.
• 24:29
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 24:31
  SPEAKER_05: And body glitter, yeah.
• 24:33
  SPEAKER_05: A lot of body glitter, body glitter stickers.
• 24:35
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 24:35
  SPEAKER_05: Just like stickers, like there's one scene where she's got like a sticker on her back, like, and I'm like, how do you do that?
• 24:43
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 24:44
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, it's amazing.
• 24:46
  SPEAKER_02: It's so funny.
• 24:47
  SPEAKER_02: Like that I and also like everyone in this is like someone who was huge at the time.
• 24:54
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 24:54
  SPEAKER_02: So it's got Rachel Lee Cook, who was from at the time she was from She's All There.
• 24:59
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 25:00
  SPEAKER_02: Um, Rosario Dawson, who's just been around for a long, long time.
• 25:04
  SPEAKER_02: And then Tara Reed, who at the time was just coming off of American Pie.
• 25:09
  SPEAKER_02: They are it's like three of like the most famous people at the time.
• 25:12
  SPEAKER_05: It's a brilliant cast.
• 25:14
  SPEAKER_02: Um And then the rest of them are like Alan Cumming.
• 25:18
  SPEAKER_02: Um beautifully cast.
• 25:19
  SPEAKER_02: Let me let me follow up the rest of them.
• 25:21
  SPEAKER_02: It's Alan Cumming is the uh He's like villain number two.
• 25:26
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, he's he's the guy, he's the record label guy that's kind of like recruiting them.
• 25:31
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 25:31
  SPEAKER_02: Uh Parker Posey, who is the the head villain.
• 25:34
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 25:35
  SPEAKER_02: And then it's got like Carson Daly.
• 25:39
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 25:39
  SPEAKER_02: Uh, and then the four guys that are DeJore are Donald Faison, who is um Turk from Scrubs.
• 25:51
  SPEAKER_02: Uh you've got Seth Green.
• 25:55
  SPEAKER_02: Seth Green and Brecken Meyer are the three.
• 25:57
  SPEAKER_02: And then there was another guy I didn't recognise.
• 25:59
  SPEAKER_05: Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 26:01
  SPEAKER_02: So, but what I read was that the four of them were in the movie Can't Hardly Wait, which was directed by these the two directors of this.
• 26:08
  SPEAKER_02: Ah.
• 26:08
  SPEAKER_02: So they took them, they took them from that.
• 26:11
  SPEAKER_02: And they put them in this.
• 26:13
  SPEAKER_05: Oh, interesting.
• 26:13
  SPEAKER_05: Because yeah, they're they're they're great.
• 26:15
  SPEAKER_05: Like DeJourney.
• 26:16
  SPEAKER_05: Honestly, they're so funny opening scene.
• 26:18
  SPEAKER_05: It's because that's just the opening.
• 26:20
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 26:21
  SPEAKER_05: Because they literally, they basically like have it's like a sort of music video style thing.
• 26:27
  SPEAKER_05: It's it's De jour, it's showing all these girls screaming for this band, and then you see them run the private jet, and and you see the dynamics between all it's so much, it's so like packed with stuff in a very short amount of time.
• 26:42
  SPEAKER_05: And you see the dynamics between the band, you see Alan Cummings' character like resolve all these problems, and then the one thing where they're like, hey, there's like some weird sound on the on the new remix, like, what's going on?
• 26:53
  SPEAKER_05: And Alan Cummings, like, abort, and so he basically.
• 26:59
  SPEAKER_05: So he and the pilot get parachutes and jump off the plane and leave DeJore on the plane because they're like, they know too much.
• 27:08
  SPEAKER_05: We've got to get rid of these boys.
• 27:10
  SPEAKER_05: And that is how the film opens.
• 27:12
  SPEAKER_02: And he makes a he makes a reference.
• 27:14
  SPEAKER_02: He goes, um, put the Chevy to the levee, which is a reference to American the song American Pie, which is about the which is about a plane crash for musicians.
• 27:23
  SPEAKER_02: So it's like it's on another level of like, I was like, this is great.
• 27:27
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 27:28
  SPEAKER_05: It's very like self-referential, like the style of humor, like it's like broad but like satire, and there are like winks to camera.
• 27:35
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 27:35
  SPEAKER_05: You know, like it knows what it's doing.
• 27:37
  SPEAKER_05: It's like that sort of like Georgia the uh George in the Jungle style.
• 27:41
  SPEAKER_05: It is, yeah.
• 27:42
  SPEAKER_05: Actually, yeah, that's really true.
• 27:44
  SPEAKER_05: You have like almost like not quite like a narrator over the head, but like it's just very meta.
• 27:50
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 27:51
  SPEAKER_05: Um, in a way, which is very accessible.
• 27:53
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 27:53
  SPEAKER_05: Like super, super accessible.
• 27:55
  SPEAKER_05: I think it's hilarious.
• 27:57
  SPEAKER_05: And I think Alan Cumming is a delight.
• 28:00
  SPEAKER_02: He's great, yeah.
• 28:01
  SPEAKER_02: I I miss Alan Cumming in these kind of movies.
• 28:03
  SPEAKER_02: He doesn't like well, I guess like these movies kind of don't exist anymore, as well.
• 28:06
  SPEAKER_02: That's the other thing.
• 28:08
  SPEAKER_02: Like the closest the closest this reminded me of actually was um Barbie.
• 28:15
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 28:16
  SPEAKER_02: In that satirical way of like making fun of like a specific industry targeting targeting young girls.
• 28:23
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 28:23
  SPEAKER_02: Um and the thing is, like, it's not I don't think it's like quite as good as Barbie in terms of like the way it's written.
• 28:30
  SPEAKER_02: Sure.
• 28:31
  SPEAKER_02: But it it does handle things really well, and I think if it had come out around the same time, it would have done a lot better.
• 28:38
  SPEAKER_05: Do you think if it had come out the same time as Barbie?
• 28:41
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I think it would have been received a lot better.
• 28:44
  SPEAKER_02: Maybe in terms of the satire.
• 28:46
  SPEAKER_05: Sure, yeah, yeah.
• 28:47
  SPEAKER_02: Obviously it would have had to be updated, but like Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 28:50
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, because I just like I think that's because there's something so 2000s in that style of film.
• 28:56
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 28:57
  SPEAKER_05: And you don't get that anymore, because I'm like, yeah, like you've got like the slightly more adult version, like you've got like Dude Where's My Car or something, where like it's like a sequence of stuff.
• 29:06
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 29:06
  SPEAKER_05: Um but yeah, I really same year as this, actually.
• 29:11
  SPEAKER_05: It that is, yeah, 2001.
• 29:13
  SPEAKER_05: What time?
• 29:15
  SPEAKER_05: Because I was surprised because when I was looking up like film what film to do for this, I had a feeling that Josie and the Pussycats wasn't well received, but I really do not understand what, and I didn't read review, but like when I saw it, I was like, yeah, okay, that doesn't make sense to me.
• 29:29
  SPEAKER_05: I know.
• 29:29
  SPEAKER_05: Because it could be like one of those sort of films that's just I understand why this was maybe a film that was forgotten about.
• 29:35
  SPEAKER_01: That's the thing, yeah.
• 29:36
  SPEAKER_05: And you have sort of like, say, mean girls.
• 29:40
  SPEAKER_05: It's not as like, it's it's not as clever as mean girls, which is what, 2003, 2006?
• 29:46
  SPEAKER_02: Like, like Mean Girls 2004, so like three years after this.
• 29:49
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 29:50
  SPEAKER_05: So I understand why like this other stuff that is sort of of the time where Josie and the Pussycats would even because if Josie and the Pussycats came out in like the 90s, maybe it would have done better.
• 30:00
  SPEAKER_05: Like, that's true as well.
• 30:02
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I think it was something about that specific time that just didn't like it didn't match with the feeling of the of the time.
• 30:08
  SPEAKER_02: Like people were too, I think people weren't seeing the satire of it.
• 30:12
  SPEAKER_05: It's like it was like too like girly to be kind of like that cool reality bites, like what is it, Empire Records, that sort of thing.
• 30:23
  SPEAKER_05: Like that kind of like nine, like 90s slacker type thing, because this is like, yeah, we're girls, we want to be rock stars.
• 30:31
  SPEAKER_05: Um, and they're like because they basically become famous in a week.
• 30:38
  SPEAKER_05: And you know, like, and so then these pullbacks were just like, does anyone think this was weird that it happened?
• 30:43
  SPEAKER_05: It's weird that this happened all in a week, yeah.
• 30:45
  SPEAKER_05: And and Alan Cummings like his phone, like, uh I've I've gotta I've gotta put these girls on a plane, but then they're like, no, no, no, it's fine.
• 30:55
  SPEAKER_02: They um yeah.
• 30:57
  SPEAKER_02: So what was it saying?
• 30:58
  SPEAKER_02: Like, yeah, so this film was meant to be in the first in a series of live-action adaptations of Hanna-Barbera cartoons that would have been geared towards older audiences that grew up with them with raw cheer humour.
• 31:08
  SPEAKER_02: The film's failure killed off such plans, and then Scooby-Doo was the following film, was edited to be edited to be PG to avoid it.
• 31:15
  SPEAKER_05: I think that's the thing.
• 31:16
  SPEAKER_05: I think it's maybe like that.
• 31:19
  SPEAKER_05: It feels too young to be like for adults, but there are all these like adult references because the film starts with a song from DeJour that features quite heavily called Backdoor Lover.
• 31:31
  SPEAKER_02: Yes, I did notice that.
• 31:34
  SPEAKER_05: And oh boy, it's catchy.
• 31:36
  SPEAKER_05: Um, but there's like, and I was listening to the soundtrack, and like, and they're it obviously they know what they're doing because they're like, yeah, like I come through the back door, not the front door.
• 31:49
  SPEAKER_05: And so I think maybe people thought because it feels like it could be kind of marketed towards children, and it's got the bright colours and everything that it could be for kids, and then they're like, what's going on?
• 32:01
  SPEAKER_05: I don't understand this.
• 32:02
  SPEAKER_05: Whereas something like Scooby-Doo is very much more like it's got like the hint of like this could have been for adults.
• 32:10
  SPEAKER_02: So yeah with Scooby-Doo, what I have heard about that is that they the original script was like a would have been like the equivalent of like a 15.
• 32:18
  SPEAKER_05: Sure.
• 32:19
  SPEAKER_02: And that that's what they wanted to do with it.
• 32:22
  SPEAKER_02: And then I didn't realise it was because of this, but they edited it down to a PG.
• 32:27
  SPEAKER_02: So there is a lot of like referential stuff in Scooby-Doo that doesn't f it's not quite there.
• 32:31
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, yeah.
• 32:32
  SPEAKER_02: It's like they keep they they had to keep taking stuff out.
• 32:34
  SPEAKER_05: That makes sense, and that's kind of like that feels like why also Scooby-Doo is a really good film, because you know that there's some stuff that just like adults will get.
• 32:45
  SPEAKER_05: Like I remember like when like Velma's in her like leather outfit.
• 32:48
  SPEAKER_05: I'm like, there's just there's something here.
• 32:52
  SPEAKER_05: You know, um, and sometimes that's just kind of like the best stuff because they know like you know how like Bob's Burgers started off with like they're cannibals.
• 33:00
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, yeah.
• 33:01
  SPEAKER_05: And they're like, maybe we take out the cannibals thing just so like this show tells, but it's still got that element of like something's weird.
• 33:08
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, something's a little bit off.
• 33:10
  SPEAKER_02: How do you forget that about Bob's Burgers?
• 33:12
  SPEAKER_05: I just like because it's not really like super present.
• 33:16
  SPEAKER_02: No, but there is like the if you there is an old clip of it, isn't there, that goes around.
• 33:20
  SPEAKER_05: I like, yeah, I've definitely seen like an old episode where like, because like Tina is uh is a guy um in the original, and so they're just like she's a girl now, but it's the same voice.
• 33:30
  unknown: Yeah.
• 33:32
  SPEAKER_02: And there's like nothing different about the voice.
• 33:33
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, no, no, it's just the same.
• 33:36
  SPEAKER_05: But no, yeah, there is something to be said for something that is edited down, um, and whether that makes it better or worse, because it's like when it yeah, tonally, you sort of keep this tone, but the target audience is more clear, and maybe the target audience for this film wasn't clear enough because it is there are like like adult elements of it, like um, which I love.
• 34:03
  SPEAKER_05: And and as a child, you kind of like when if you like as you're a kid and you get an adult joke, you feel so smart.
• 34:09
  SPEAKER_02: Oh yeah, it's the so clever.
• 34:12
  SPEAKER_02: Um did you wait, did you have this on DVD by any chance?
• 34:16
  SPEAKER_05: I don't think I think I actually had it on VHS.
• 34:20
  SPEAKER_05: I think I bought it at like a summer fair.
• 34:22
  SPEAKER_01: Wow.
• 34:22
  SPEAKER_05: Like I just saw it and I was like, yeah, absolutely.
• 34:25
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, yeah.
• 34:25
  SPEAKER_05: And I bought it at a summer fair.
• 34:27
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 34:28
  SPEAKER_05: So that's probably when I first saw it.
• 34:32
  SPEAKER_02: I was gonna say, because I one other thing I read about the special features.
• 34:35
  SPEAKER_02: There's two, so not even special features, there's two versions on the DVD.
• 34:39
  SPEAKER_02: One is the normal version, then there's a kid's version where they cut out loads of stuff.
• 34:44
  SPEAKER_05: That's it.
• 34:45
  SPEAKER_02: So I'm really interested to see that.
• 34:47
  SPEAKER_05: Oh my god.
• 34:48
  SPEAKER_02: I really want to see that version of what they've cut out.
• 34:50
  SPEAKER_05: Because that would be because there's definitely lots of stuff to cut out, but it's also like it's a very tight movie in terms of It's 98 minutes.
• 34:58
  SPEAKER_05: There's no filler.
• 34:59
  SPEAKER_02: It's not at all, yeah.
• 35:00
  SPEAKER_05: It's just like, it's like it goes everything in terms of like story writing, it really, every scene like serves a purpose.
• 35:08
  SPEAKER_05: You see the character dynamics straight away, and this tale of like, you know, this band from nowhere coming up.
• 35:15
  SPEAKER_05: Like it's, and you know, this all happens in what like a week and a half.
• 35:19
  unknown: Yeah.
• 35:21
  SPEAKER_05: No, I absolutely love it.
• 35:23
  SPEAKER_05: But yeah, no, I'd love to see the kids like because there's so many, like, and even like, you know, the supporting characters are great.
• 35:29
  SPEAKER_05: Like, what's her name?
• 35:30
  SPEAKER_05: Is it like, oh, Missy Pyle?
• 35:32
  SPEAKER_05: Missy Pyle, yeah, as the sister of the manager.
• 35:35
  SPEAKER_05: She's the sister of the manager, like, and they they when they're like sort of discovering the subliminal messages in the um uh in the music, and it's like it's like, and she's like, what's that voice?
• 35:46
  SPEAKER_05: It's the movie phone guy.
• 35:47
  SPEAKER_05: She's like, how did you get the movie phone guy to do this?
• 35:49
  SPEAKER_05: She's like, you slept with him.
• 35:55
  SPEAKER_05: Like, it's just so like campy and silly.
• 35:59
  SPEAKER_02: Um she's always done those bit parts where she like shows up in something and like she's always like, She's a scene stealer, she's for sure.
• 36:07
  SPEAKER_05: Um, and like Parker Posey.
• 36:09
  SPEAKER_05: Parker Posey, yeah.
• 36:10
  SPEAKER_05: Fiona, this villain who's like always like turning on her heel.
• 36:14
  SPEAKER_02: Like she's always like Apparently she had like first credit in this movie.
• 36:19
  SPEAKER_02: Like she's the first credit in the movie, and then which is weird because she's not and then it says like despite not showing up for 30 minutes, she's not in the movie for the first 30 minutes.
• 36:31
  SPEAKER_05: I guess at the time, maybe she would have had like the sort of you know, when someone's like and or with.
• 36:37
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, you know, like that's what it feels like, but do we have the first credit?
• 36:41
  SPEAKER_02: It's a bit a little bit odd.
• 36:42
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, I didn't know, I didn't notice that, but it's maybe just depends on like her career up until that point.
• 36:48
  SPEAKER_05: Because like Parker Posey is like definitely like a person who's like been around a long time.
• 36:52
  SPEAKER_05: But I was thinking about it, I was like, I don't think she's been in that much stuff.
• 36:55
  SPEAKER_02: No, but you I think like you even mentioned some of the stuff just now.
• 36:58
  SPEAKER_02: You've like, um what was it you said?
• 37:00
  SPEAKER_02: Uh other movies you just said about let me just find she's been in, she was in like a lot of nineties stuff.
• 37:09
  SPEAKER_02: That's what she's like.
• 37:09
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, she's definitely an it girl, and I think that it girl status maybe gets you the first card.
• 37:21
  SPEAKER_05: There was some sort of film which was like actually for adults, which I you know, I couldn't even get through.
• 37:26
  SPEAKER_05: I thought it was kind of boring, but it was about her being a bit of like a party girl.
• 37:31
  SPEAKER_02: Is it called party girl?
• 37:33
  SPEAKER_02: I think it was party girl.
• 37:36
  SPEAKER_02: Um even looking at the 90s, she was kind of like not like super well, I guess she was known, but like she was engaged and confused.
• 37:48
  SPEAKER_03: She was in cone head, party girl, kicking the screen.
• 37:54
  SPEAKER_02: Like she wasn't really in like huge, huge movies.
• 37:57
  SPEAKER_02: Scream three the year before this.
• 38:00
  SPEAKER_02: And best in show just before this as well.
• 38:02
  SPEAKER_02: And like like that's kind of where it's very strange that she got first credit.
• 38:08
  SPEAKER_03: I have no idea.
• 38:10
  SPEAKER_02: Because I feel like even Rachel Lee Cook, who was was like coming off of She's All That, which was huge.
• 38:16
  SPEAKER_05: That was a big film, yeah.
• 38:17
  SPEAKER_02: That was a really big film.
• 38:19
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know.
• 38:19
  SPEAKER_02: And she's the lead in the the technol the technical lead in the movie, she's like the title character.
• 38:25
  SPEAKER_02: I don't understand that.
• 38:28
  SPEAKER_03: Uh it's there's a lot to Yeah.
• 38:35
  SPEAKER_02: The other thing is the one the one really funny thing is uh so Carson Daly's in this movie.
• 38:41
  SPEAKER_02: Um Yes.
• 38:42
  SPEAKER_02: And then so he's the TRL guy, which is TRL was huge at the time.
• 38:47
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 38:47
  SPEAKER_02: Like um, he was the presenter on that.
• 38:50
  SPEAKER_02: And he and there's a point where he's trying to like kill uh Tara Reed's character.
• 38:58
  SPEAKER_02: And then they and then they go on about how they had a crush on each other.
• 39:01
  SPEAKER_02: They went on to date right after this.
• 39:04
  SPEAKER_05: Stop.
• 39:05
  SPEAKER_02: They were engaged.
• 39:06
  SPEAKER_05: Really?
• 39:07
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, they date they dated after meeting on this.
• 39:10
  SPEAKER_05: That's so funny.
• 39:11
  SPEAKER_05: Oh my god, for how long?
• 39:13
  SPEAKER_02: I think a couple years.
• 39:14
  SPEAKER_05: A couple years.
• 39:15
  SPEAKER_05: He looks so much older than her.
• 39:18
  SPEAKER_02: This is the other thing.
• 39:19
  SPEAKER_02: He looks a lot older.
• 39:21
  SPEAKER_02: Um and like surely his name up.
• 39:27
  SPEAKER_02: I want to see how old he was.
• 39:29
  SPEAKER_05: Okay, so he's 53.
• 39:34
  SPEAKER_02: She's 50.
• 39:35
  SPEAKER_02: She's 50, okay, mate.
• 39:36
  SPEAKER_05: I'm fine.
• 39:37
  SPEAKER_02: That's fine.
• 39:37
  SPEAKER_05: That's fine.
• 39:38
  SPEAKER_02: I just thought like I didn't think she was fifty.
• 39:42
  SPEAKER_05: No, because I'm like, because she's been around a while as well, but uh, he just he just looks older than her.
• 39:47
  SPEAKER_05: Like, cause maybe it's because of how infantilized Tara Reed's character is.
• 39:52
  SPEAKER_05: I think she does a hysterical version of like a dumb blonde.
• 39:55
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, yeah.
• 39:56
  SPEAKER_05: Like, there is literally a moment where she misses a sofa and falls on the floor because she doesn't make she doesn't land on the sofa.
• 40:05
  SPEAKER_05: And I'm like, because that's the other thing, it's it's so obviously that they're like mucking about with like the trope of the dumb blonde.
• 40:13
  SPEAKER_02: It's uh it's a precursor to Karen in Mean Girls.
• 40:17
  SPEAKER_02: Very it's like very similar to that style.
• 40:19
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, yeah.
• 40:20
  SPEAKER_05: Like just taking the piss out of this stereotype by making it so insane.
• 40:25
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 40:26
  SPEAKER_05: That and she plays it brilliantly, like, there's no sort of like hint of oh I like she she is fully in it.
• 40:37
  SPEAKER_05: She believes it, and and yeah.
• 40:41
  SPEAKER_05: I think she does it so well.
• 40:42
  SPEAKER_02: She does, yeah, she's really funny.
• 40:44
  SPEAKER_02: Um she's also like the oldest of the three of them looking at this.
• 40:49
  SPEAKER_02: She was she was like three years older than the other two.
• 40:51
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 40:52
  SPEAKER_02: Which is interesting.
• 40:53
  SPEAKER_02: The other two are like a lot younger.
• 40:58
  SPEAKER_02: But yeah, the other the thing that I read, and this is really interesting.
• 41:03
  SPEAKER_02: So auditioned people that auditioned for Josie, play Josie, Maggie Gyllen Hall and Zoe De Chanel.
• 41:11
  SPEAKER_05: So wrong.
• 41:11
  SPEAKER_05: So wrong.
• 41:12
  SPEAKER_05: So wrong for it.
• 41:13
  SPEAKER_02: Zoe De Chanel in uh as as Josie would have been No.
• 41:18
  SPEAKER_05: No, no, no, no, don't believe that at all.
• 41:20
  SPEAKER_02: Then this is the really interesting one.
• 41:22
  SPEAKER_02: So Valerie, uh Rosario Dawson's character, the people that auditioned for it and were turned down.
• 41:31
  SPEAKER_02: Lisa left Ay Lopez Aliyah and Beyonce.
• 41:37
  SPEAKER_05: Stop! That would have been I mean like I like that would have been really cool, or like all three of them that would have been really cool.
• 41:44
  SPEAKER_05: I think I think Rosa I think it's perfectly cast.
• 41:46
  SPEAKER_05: I agree.
• 41:47
  SPEAKER_05: I do think it's perfectly cast as is.
• 41:49
  SPEAKER_05: And I think that because of then I it would maybe just become I also think that it's good that like none of them are musicians.
• 42:01
  SPEAKER_05: Oh because if like you actually had like real life musicians in it, it would throw off the balance, it would change something.
• 42:09
  SPEAKER_05: And so I yeah, it would just take away too much.
• 42:14
  SPEAKER_05: Like it's like, no, like if it's like Aliyah or Beyonce, especially, it's like, no, they need their own film.
• 42:19
  SPEAKER_05: Like they they gotta be the lead.
• 42:21
  SPEAKER_02: So what what the director said was that they wanted someone who was well versed in comedy.
• 42:25
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 42:25
  SPEAKER_02: Beyoncé was too quiet and shy.
• 42:27
  SPEAKER_02: Sure.
• 42:28
  SPEAKER_02: Which is really interesting now.
• 42:29
  SPEAKER_05: No, well, like Beyonce's quite shy.
• 42:31
  SPEAKER_02: She's like, but I wouldn't say she's shy.
• 42:34
  SPEAKER_05: I feel like she, I mean, like at the time, I think she could have well been shy in 2001 because she's very young then.
• 42:41
  SPEAKER_02: I also don't think she's the funniest person.
• 42:44
  SPEAKER_05: No, I think she like maybe when because when was like Austin Powers like gold?
• 42:49
  SPEAKER_02: That was 2003, so just after well, not super long after this, but also like I think she was miscast in that.
• 42:56
  SPEAKER_05: I like that film.
• 42:57
  SPEAKER_05: I like Austin Powers and stuff, but like, and she's also because she's in like one of the um Pink Panthers as well.
• 43:04
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, which I also I guess I don't I I haven't looked back on them as like an adult to like look at because I'm like, I'm a kid, I love Beyonce, I love like pink stuff, and like I love Austin Powers.
• 43:15
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 43:15
  SPEAKER_02: So I do love Austin Powers.
• 43:17
  SPEAKER_02: I love Gold Member as well, but like I don't know.
• 43:20
  SPEAKER_02: There was something always I always felt was like I always felt she was miscast in there.
• 43:24
  SPEAKER_05: Do you think?
• 43:24
  SPEAKER_02: I also haven't, but I haven't gone back to it in a long, long time.
• 43:27
  SPEAKER_02: So like maybe I go back to it with like fresh eyes and I'm like, oh yeah, she was actually decent in it.
• 43:31
  SPEAKER_05: I think she's alright in it, but I haven't looked at it properly in a while.
• 43:34
  SPEAKER_05: And I also I think it's kind of like when Beyoncé does comedy, it's like, oh what a nice surprise.
• 43:40
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, yeah.
• 43:40
  SPEAKER_05: It's like it's not really it's like, oh, this was actually good.
• 43:43
  SPEAKER_05: It's never like we're expecting comedy and you deliver it.
• 43:47
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 43:48
  SPEAKER_05: Whereas if it was someone It's also like they said Aaliyah uh was too serious and thoughtful.
• 43:56
  SPEAKER_02: Sure.
• 43:56
  SPEAKER_02: Which I can completely see.
• 43:58
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 43:59
  SPEAKER_05: Like that's why she She's in Queen of the Damps.
• 44:01
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, exactly.
• 44:02
  SPEAKER_02: She would like I can imagine she was like probably one of the top choices back then as well because she was acting like in everything.
• 44:08
  SPEAKER_02: But again, she was still she wasn't doing comedy.
• 44:11
  SPEAKER_05: No, no, no, no.
• 44:12
  SPEAKER_05: What did they say about Left Eye?
• 44:14
  SPEAKER_02: Um didn't actually say anything, but she auditioned for it twice.
• 44:19
  SPEAKER_02: Um and then Tara Ree's character.
• 44:21
  SPEAKER_02: Tara Ree didn't have to audition for her character because she was so popular with the studio because of American Pies.
• 44:26
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 44:27
  SPEAKER_02: Which I can say, I get it.
• 44:28
  SPEAKER_05: She's brilliant in it.
• 44:30
  SPEAKER_05: She's really like she's so great.
• 44:33
  SPEAKER_02: So she's the only one that was just like immediately cast.
• 44:36
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 44:38
  SPEAKER_02: And then Yeah, the the plan was, this is what's really funny.
• 44:42
  SPEAKER_02: The plan was for them to all play their instruments and sing in the movie.
• 44:48
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 44:48
  SPEAKER_02: And then they all went to a band camp for two weeks.
• 44:53
  SPEAKER_05: Stop.
• 44:54
  SPEAKER_02: And and then they uh didn't do a good enough job.
• 44:59
  SPEAKER_02: And so they were and so their vocals were replaced by a real band.
• 45:04
  SPEAKER_02: Um it was Letters to Cleo.
• 45:10
  SPEAKER_05: Oh, oh, that's the vocals on it.
• 45:13
  SPEAKER_05: Oh, do you know what?
• 45:14
  SPEAKER_05: I quite like that band because they do like, they're in the Ten Things I Hate About You film.
• 45:19
  SPEAKER_00: Which also makes yeah, that makes a lot of sense.
• 45:21
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 45:22
  SPEAKER_05: Oh, that's why I'm gonna be around.
• 45:23
  SPEAKER_00: That really feels like Yeah, okay.
• 45:25
  SPEAKER_00: Now that makes sense, yeah.
• 45:25
  SPEAKER_05: That's because I didn't think that they were playing their own instruments or anything.
• 45:28
  SPEAKER_05: Like I was like, no, like they've got someone else to do to do it, but I'm like, oh, but it's letters to Cleo, that makes and that letters to Clio is such a sound.
• 45:36
  SPEAKER_05: It is very specific.
• 45:38
  SPEAKER_05: That's a very specific sound, and maybe that's why they sound kind of 90s.
• 45:42
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 45:43
  SPEAKER_02: Um, it's really true.
• 45:47
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it's a real 90s um voice.
• 45:50
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 45:51
  SPEAKER_02: Um, interesting.
• 45:54
  SPEAKER_02: They they ended up casting Rachel E.
• 45:56
  SPEAKER_02: Cook because he they remembered her after her audition for Can't Hardly Wait, which was the other film that the rest of them were in, The Guys were in.
• 46:02
  SPEAKER_02: Yes, okay.
• 46:03
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, this is yeah, this all makes sense.
• 46:04
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 46:05
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 46:06
  SPEAKER_02: But yeah, the album, which you would have said, like how much you still you do you listen to it all the time, or do you or is this something like that?
• 46:13
  SPEAKER_02: No, no, no.
• 46:14
  SPEAKER_05: I just I put it on like today because I'm like, I'm coming here, and I was just kind of like, you know, like because like the the a lot of the songs are pretty good earworms.
• 46:21
  SPEAKER_05: Like I was just like, oh yeah, I want to listen to like the full version of this.
• 46:25
  SPEAKER_05: But the album, it just says, like, you know, I think it just says like Josie and the Pussycats.
• 46:30
  SPEAKER_05: It doesn't say like who's singing.
• 46:32
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 46:33
  SPEAKER_05: Um, because I'm like, it's not them.
• 46:35
  SPEAKER_02: It's not them, it's very obviously not them, but at the same time, it's like who cares?
• 46:38
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 46:39
  SPEAKER_02: Um, but it sold 500,000 copies when gone.
• 46:44
  SPEAKER_02: But then I only peaked at number 16, which is just such an indication of the time.
• 46:49
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 46:49
  SPEAKER_02: 500,000 copies and then peaking at number 16 is crazy.
• 46:53
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, like, because that's that's great numbers.
• 46:57
  SPEAKER_05: Number 16 is it's good.
• 46:59
  SPEAKER_05: 500 like, oh my god, what do you need to get to get 16 in 2026?
• 47:04
  SPEAKER_02: You probably like 20,000.
• 47:08
  SPEAKER_05: Really?
• 47:09
  SPEAKER_05: I guess what I guess how does it what what kind of thing is?
• 47:12
  SPEAKER_02: Now it's all streaming numbers, so it's like and like it's all misleading as well.
• 47:17
  SPEAKER_02: It's like because obviously people aren't buying the albums yet.
• 47:20
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 47:21
  SPEAKER_02: So I don't know.
• 47:23
  SPEAKER_02: Maybe to buy the maybe like they can buy in it now, it's it's just I don't know how to work it out anymore, but yeah, I don't know what people are selling anymore.
• 47:31
  SPEAKER_05: I think I think five hundred thousand's good.
• 47:34
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
• 47:35
  SPEAKER_02: I think it's decent.
• 47:36
  SPEAKER_02: And then it's it made 14 million on a maybe a 39 million budget.
• 47:46
  SPEAKER_05: That's not good.
• 47:47
  SPEAKER_02: That's not good.
• 47:48
  SPEAKER_05: That's bad.
• 47:50
  SPEAKER_05: I yeah, I just I understand why sort of like demographic-wise, I think people just weren't sure who who was going to watch this film.
• 48:01
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 48:01
  SPEAKER_05: Um, because it's a big budget, it's a lot of locations, it's a lot of big settings.
• 48:08
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it's a lot of settings, it's a lot of production design.
• 48:11
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 48:12
  SPEAKER_02: It's a lot of outfits.
• 48:13
  SPEAKER_05: A lot of outfits, a lot of like rooms with lots of people moving in them.
• 48:19
  SPEAKER_05: I it's really stunning to look at.
• 48:24
  SPEAKER_02: It looks great.
• 48:25
  SPEAKER_02: The the film looks really good.
• 48:26
  SPEAKER_02: It feels very comic book.
• 48:28
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 48:29
  SPEAKER_02: Like that style.
• 48:30
  SPEAKER_05: And like, and also like in concerts, like these big, like big concerts.
• 48:36
  SPEAKER_05: Fans and crowds.
• 48:38
  SPEAKER_05: Um, because you look at something like Scott Pilgrim, which is, you know, a great, great film, also like based from a comic, yes, and like and critically acclaimed.
• 48:49
  SPEAKER_05: Yes.
• 48:49
  SPEAKER_05: And obviously, like, and I guess very clearly for adults.
• 48:54
  SPEAKER_05: Yes.
• 48:55
  SPEAKER_05: Um, whereas, because I'm like, because it's kind of I guess we're like trying to get to the bottom of it, and I think one of the main reasons must be like people sort of like were confused about whether it was for kids or for adults.
• 49:08
  SPEAKER_02: I I wanted to read so I'll read the quote that like the directors have said.
• 49:12
  SPEAKER_02: They said, um, they attributed the film's failure to the lack of consideration of the fact that they the film would be marketed to pre-bubescent girls.
• 49:19
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 49:19
  SPEAKER_02: He said they said, I don't know what why I don't know why we weren't thinking that based on the property, we kind of forgot that's who they were gonna sell it to.
• 49:25
  SPEAKER_02: But that's when the panic has set in.
• 49:27
  SPEAKER_02: They're not gonna sell it to the people who are going to understand this movie, and the people they're selling to it to aren't going to get it, and that's kind of what happened.
• 49:34
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 49:36
  SPEAKER_02: That makes a lot of sense.
• 49:37
  SPEAKER_05: That does make a lot of sense, because it's a brilliant film, but I still think I probably watched it when I was maybe like because what is it, what's the rating on it?
• 49:45
  SPEAKER_02: Is it a it's a 12 uh it's a PG 13.
• 49:48
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know what it let me see what it is here.
• 49:51
  SPEAKER_02: Because it could have been a PG here.
• 49:54
  SPEAKER_03: Um ratings.
• 49:57
  SPEAKER_03: But then like it's a PG 13 in America.
• 50:03
  SPEAKER_05: And what's like sort of rating as like Clueless?
• 50:06
  SPEAKER_02: Clueless is a PG thirteen, you're talking about.
• 50:07
  SPEAKER_05: Clueless is a PG thirteen, and like and so that's the thing, you have the.
• 50:13
  SPEAKER_05: Like, it's a PG here.
• 50:15
  SPEAKER_02: Interesting.
• 50:16
  SPEAKER_05: Because I think the PG 13 rating means I think it makes sense.
• 50:19
  SPEAKER_05: And like and a film like Clueless did super well, and like and that is like, you know, that's 90s.
• 50:24
  SPEAKER_05: That there's also an element of satire in there.
• 50:27
  SPEAKER_05: Oh, it's full it's false.
• 50:28
  SPEAKER_05: Like so I I get that like I mean, maybe because Clueless is like more also with Donald Fayez on.
• 50:40
  SPEAKER_05: Oh yes, yeah, of course, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 50:42
  SPEAKER_05: Um Clueless is more like obviously rom com.
• 50:45
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 50:45
  SPEAKER_02: And I think that's more clear, clear cut what that is and what they're going for.
• 50:49
  SPEAKER_05: And the Josie and the Pussycat sort of like rom com is kind of shoved in there.
• 50:53
  SPEAKER_05: It's not really like the whole thing of it.
• 50:55
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 50:56
  SPEAKER_05: It's still very important and it still resolves.
• 50:59
  SPEAKER_05: Um, I think it resolves in a really sweet way.
• 51:01
  SPEAKER_05: Like having someone like profess their love to you at a concert that you're playing by crowd surfing to you, yeah, is a beautiful moment.
• 51:09
  SPEAKER_05: And you know what?
• 51:10
  SPEAKER_05: That's how I'd like to be proposed to.
• 51:12
  SPEAKER_02: Um, you got you got well, I guess you could do it.
• 51:17
  SPEAKER_02: It could be while you're on stage doing stand-up.
• 51:19
  SPEAKER_05: It could be, I mean, like, no, don't heckle my gig.
• 51:21
  SPEAKER_05: Don't heckle me by proposing to me.
• 51:25
  SPEAKER_02: Oh god, no, no stand-up show.
• 51:26
  SPEAKER_02: That would be awful.
• 51:27
  SPEAKER_05: No, no stand, because like no one's crowdsurfing at a stand-up show.
• 51:30
  SPEAKER_05: If something if that happens, something's gone horribly wrong.
• 51:32
  SPEAKER_05: But no, no, you don't have to be, I don't have to be playing the gig.
• 51:35
  SPEAKER_02: Unless you're Rob Copeland's crowdsurfing at your own show.
• 51:40
  SPEAKER_05: Unless you've intended that to happen, then I um but I do feel like crowdsurfing with like a sign, and like say, like, okay, it's I'm not playing, but it's my favourite band, and we're like at the concert together, then suddenly you disappear, and I'm like, where's where have you gone?
• 51:55
  SPEAKER_05: And then like suddenly I see you crowdsurfing with a sign that's like, will you marry me?
• 51:59
  SPEAKER_05: That's pretty good.
• 52:02
  SPEAKER_05: That's pretty good.
• 52:04
  SPEAKER_05: Any listeners, um any listeners prepared to crowd surf, I'm prepared to marry you.
• 52:09
  SPEAKER_02: You just say yes to whoever does it.
• 52:11
  SPEAKER_05: Maybe.
• 52:12
  SPEAKER_05: I don't know.
• 52:13
  SPEAKER_05: We'd have to, we'd have to get to know each other first.
• 52:16
  SPEAKER_05: Oh, you know, but but I will be in a mosh pit on occasion.
• 52:21
  SPEAKER_05: Um, not super often, but like once in a few years.
• 52:23
  SPEAKER_02: What if someone did it in Bergheim?
• 52:24
  SPEAKER_05: Someone did it in Bergheim.
• 52:26
  SPEAKER_02: Oh god, crowd surfing in Bergheim.
• 52:28
  SPEAKER_05: I'd be like, no, don't make me look bad in Bergkhein.
• 52:31
  SPEAKER_05: Like, you know, I'm trying to look cool here.
• 52:33
  SPEAKER_05: You can't be don't propose to me in Bergheim.
• 52:37
  SPEAKER_05: That is, I can't have other people having sex at the place where I'm getting proposed to.
• 52:44
  SPEAKER_05: I can't, I can't.
• 52:46
  SPEAKER_05: I can't have it.
• 52:47
  SPEAKER_02: I wonder how many proposals have actually happened in Bergkhein.
• 52:50
  SPEAKER_02: I feel like I feel like there's I feel like it's more than we expect.
• 52:54
  SPEAKER_05: Maybe, because like if you're like, if you met in Bergheim, then by all means it makes sense.
• 52:58
  SPEAKER_05: If it's if it makes sense for your story, for your like romance and everything, or if you're just like a couple who enjoys going to Bergheim like all the time, that's like the thing that you do together, then absolutely like if it makes sense, I think it's I don't know how other people in Bergheim would treat it.
• 53:14
  SPEAKER_05: I think this is my impression of them.
• 53:16
  SPEAKER_05: I think they'd see it as kind of lame.
• 53:17
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 53:17
  SPEAKER_05: But that's just me project.
• 53:19
  SPEAKER_05: I don't know.
• 53:19
  SPEAKER_02: I think they would as well.
• 53:20
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, I think they probably think that it was lame.
• 53:23
  SPEAKER_05: But if you're like, well, you've been like propping up the walls of fucking Bergheim, then maybe it's fine, like it's fine to propose in Bergheim, but like it just it makes no sense for me.
• 53:33
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 53:34
  SPEAKER_05: So so I can't do it.
• 53:35
  SPEAKER_02: I don't think it makes sense for a lot of people.
• 53:37
  SPEAKER_02: I can't, I really can't imagine it.
• 53:40
  SPEAKER_05: That's crazy.
• 53:44
  SPEAKER_05: Um will you?
• 53:47
  SPEAKER_05: We've been we've been listening to techno together.
• 53:49
  SPEAKER_05: It's a cockery.
• 53:57
  SPEAKER_05: It's been a beautiful five years.
• 53:59
  SPEAKER_05: We haven't left this club.
• 54:02
  SPEAKER_05: This is great that they're open 24 hours a day.
• 54:07
  SPEAKER_02: Oh no.
• 54:09
  SPEAKER_05: Terrible.
• 54:12
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, it's just on such a clean movie.
• 54:15
  SPEAKER_02: This is um Yeah, just like looking back on the reviews.
• 54:21
  SPEAKER_02: So when I'm looking at all the new reviews for it, so these are the ones that have just got these are the ones that have gone up in 2026.
• 54:27
  SPEAKER_02: They're all positive.
• 54:27
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 54:28
  SPEAKER_02: Every 2026 like critic review is positive.
• 54:31
  SPEAKER_02: So like they say the top review on here it's sex.
• 54:34
  SPEAKER_02: In many ways, its commentary feels even more relevant today in an area dominated by influences and algorithm-driven advertising, which is so true.
• 54:40
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
• 54:41
  SPEAKER_02: Like that's why I'm that's why I say like it would be so much more timely now.
• 54:44
  SPEAKER_05: It really predicted like trend cycles.
• 54:47
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 54:47
  SPEAKER_05: Because there's sort of like this like running motif of like the sort of fans in the movie, like being like, oh my god, pink is the new red.
• 54:54
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 54:54
  SPEAKER_05: And then like five minutes later, they're like, red is the new orange, or like, or like whatever.
• 54:59
  SPEAKER_05: I can't remember.
• 55:00
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 55:00
  SPEAKER_05: I don't know if I made sense saying that, but like it's just that it's always a new colour, it's always something new to both.
• 55:06
  SPEAKER_02: But there's like new slang that they keep, like, there's a there's a joke about like the people are just like making up the slang in this place and just throwing it out to the public, and that that's what's the new thing.
• 55:16
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 55:17
  SPEAKER_05: It's just stuff that's like built on nothing.
• 55:19
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 55:20
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and then the other thing is to say it's one of those reviews here, is this there's so much happening over the course of 98 minutes, it's overloaded with satire.
• 55:30
  SPEAKER_02: The tone is a is is all over the place in elements that feel extremely dated or strangely prescient.
• 55:35
  SPEAKER_02: And then they gave it four four out of five.
• 55:37
  SPEAKER_02: But they did still like it.
• 55:39
  SPEAKER_02: Um and then someone said the dual performances by Alan Cumming and Parker Posey as music industry um arch villains are the com comedic core of the movie, which is so true.
• 55:48
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 55:49
  SPEAKER_02: They are like the height of the movie for me.
• 55:52
  SPEAKER_05: They're brilliant.
• 55:54
  SPEAKER_02: Like them and DeJour are like so funny.
• 55:57
  SPEAKER_02: As soon as DeJour came on in the beginning, I was like, Oh, I'm gonna love this.
• 56:02
  SPEAKER_05: They were so good.
• 56:04
  SPEAKER_05: They were so good, like, and all the like clothes that they're wearing, yeah.
• 56:08
  SPEAKER_05: And like Alan Cummings just sort of like winking to camera, like when he spots them on the street, like when he the boy, he's so flamboyant, like he takes a CD, like he's like got a CD in the case, and he throws it.
• 56:20
  SPEAKER_05: Throws the disc and he just like looks through the clear case of the CD at Josie and the pussycat's like stood in the street and he's like, and he like does like a little wink to camera.
• 56:30
  SPEAKER_02: Oh my god, it's great.
• 56:32
  SPEAKER_05: I was like, I'm dead.
• 56:34
  SPEAKER_02: He's like the boy band they're called de jour, which is French, but of the day, which is also another great nod.
• 56:41
  SPEAKER_05: Oh, that's good, yeah, yeah.
• 56:44
  SPEAKER_02: So it's like just saying of the moment, just of the yeah.
• 56:49
  SPEAKER_05: And we're like, because the guy, like when they're arguing on the plane, he's like, De jour means family.
• 56:54
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, de jour means and they're like, Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 57:01
  SPEAKER_05: Oh my god.
• 57:02
  SPEAKER_02: And then Seth Green's like, he's doing my face.
• 57:06
  SPEAKER_02: My face.
• 57:06
  SPEAKER_02: That's my face.
• 57:08
  SPEAKER_05: He's like, doing the face on the cover of every magazine.
• 57:14
  SPEAKER_05: Doing the face.
• 57:18
  SPEAKER_05: Because they're just sort of like, because you could also look at them and be like, what makes them a fucking boy band?
• 57:23
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 57:23
  SPEAKER_05: They were obviously they were plucked from obscurity as well, because like Steph Green is not fucking boy band time gun.
• 57:30
  SPEAKER_03: None of them are.
• 57:30
  SPEAKER_05: None of them are boy band material.
• 57:33
  SPEAKER_05: It's just, it's like, it's so contrived.
• 57:35
  SPEAKER_05: It's just like we've decided that you're the boy band.
• 57:39
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 57:39
  SPEAKER_05: And and everyone's like screaming and like to because that was the thing, it felt a little bit like, oh, this reminds me of the sort of like the bits to camera of Mean Girls where they're talking about Regina George when they're like, it's like, like they're so amazing.
• 57:57
  SPEAKER_05: If like da-da-da-da.
• 57:58
  SPEAKER_05: And it's like, uh, one time Regina George um slapped me and it was amazing.
• 58:02
  SPEAKER_05: Like, yeah.
• 58:02
  SPEAKER_05: I was like, oh, I do think that like um Joseph and the Pussycat walked so Mean Girls could run.
• 58:09
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 58:09
  SPEAKER_05: And like, and other films that came afterwards, like definitely.
• 58:12
  SPEAKER_02: I I really agree.
• 58:13
  SPEAKER_02: I think this is like, I think this is really it's been really underrated and really unf underrepresented in in pop culture.
• 58:20
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 58:20
  SPEAKER_02: Which is ironic given like how much how pop culture it is.
• 58:25
  SPEAKER_02: And like I don't know, is there's so many weird things about this movie.
• 58:31
  SPEAKER_02: Like, the Dreamcast is prominently featured in this film and then was discontinued a week before it came out.
• 58:36
  SPEAKER_05: Wait, what?
• 58:37
  SPEAKER_02: The Dreamcast The Sega Dreamcast is featured prominently in the movie and then got discontinued the week before this came out.
• 58:43
  SPEAKER_05: Wait, which Dreamcast?
• 58:45
  SPEAKER_05: Wait, what?
• 58:46
  SPEAKER_02: Do you know the Sega Dream?
• 58:47
  SPEAKER_02: Do you know the Sega Dreamcast, the console?
• 58:49
  SPEAKER_02: So they used to.
• 58:50
  SPEAKER_05: No, no, no.
• 58:51
  SPEAKER_05: Oh.
• 58:51
  SPEAKER_05: Um I thought I was like, what cast are they of?
• 58:56
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, sorry, I should be more specific.
• 58:57
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, the Sega Dreamcast, it was like featured prominently in this.
• 59:01
  SPEAKER_05: Oh, it's the games console, and they don't And they don't.
• 59:04
  SPEAKER_02: And it got discontinued right before this came out.
• 59:07
  SPEAKER_02: So like there's so many things that are like funny.
• 59:10
  SPEAKER_02: And it's like one of the last instances of a movie with the twin towers in it, and like Whoa, that's so many weird things of that's I hadn't even considered but yeah, 2001, yeah.
• 59:22
  SPEAKER_05: Whoa.
• 59:24
  SPEAKER_02: I believe the last one was um was Spider-Man.
• 59:29
  SPEAKER_05: Makes sense, okay.
• 59:30
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 59:30
  SPEAKER_02: I believe or it's the Spider-Man trailer, something like that.
• 59:33
  SPEAKER_02: Like and they also says Brandy was considered for Valerie.
• 59:37
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, that makes sense.
• 59:39
  SPEAKER_05: Brandy could do it.
• 59:40
  SPEAKER_02: Brandy was probably the closest they got to it.
• 59:42
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, like because Brandy obviously like like can do comedy like from Moesha and everything.
• 59:47
  SPEAKER_02: Um She might have just been a little bit too old for it at that point compared to the rest of them.
• 59:54
  SPEAKER_03: I feel like she was how old is she?
• 1:00:00
  SPEAKER_03: She was born in Oh no, she's not, she's younger.
• 1:00:04
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, I was gonna say, I would I would say Brandy would be their age or younger.
• 1:00:10
  SPEAKER_05: No, I think it's just because she's been like on TV.
• 1:00:12
  SPEAKER_05: She's been around Tom a long time, but she was young when she was first on TV.
• 1:00:16
  SPEAKER_00: That's crazy.
• 1:00:17
  SPEAKER_05: I think she would have been like a little soft, like she's quite soft spoken.
• 1:00:23
  SPEAKER_05: Um, and so it would have been different.
• 1:00:27
  SPEAKER_05: But I think she would have done a good job.
• 1:00:29
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 1:00:30
  SPEAKER_02: I think she would have been good.
• 1:00:31
  SPEAKER_02: I I can see that.
• 1:00:32
  SPEAKER_02: That's the first person I can actually see.
• 1:00:33
  SPEAKER_02: And then it says, so Eugene Levy is in this as well, weirdly.
• 1:00:37
  SPEAKER_02: Oh yeah.
• 1:00:38
  SPEAKER_02: With a weird, really, really weird cameo as himself.
• 1:00:43
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, there are these sort of like like like half cameos of people, like, yeah.
• 1:00:48
  SPEAKER_05: He's in like a like an instruction video.
• 1:00:52
  SPEAKER_02: And it says that he film it says that he filmed this, uh his scene ten days before the film came out on the set of American Pie 2.
• 1:01:01
  SPEAKER_05: I was gonna say he's obviously on the set of something else.
• 1:01:04
  SPEAKER_02: He's on the set of something, just seeing it.
• 1:01:06
  SPEAKER_02: But they they just filmed that 10 days before this came out and just stuck it in.
• 1:01:10
  SPEAKER_05: Dad's why not?
• 1:01:12
  SPEAKER_02: Sure.
• 1:01:13
  SPEAKER_02: And I reckon Tara Reed probably asked him to do it.
• 1:01:17
  SPEAKER_02: Uh what else about this movie?
• 1:01:19
  SPEAKER_02: There's so much, there's so many different things.
• 1:01:21
  SPEAKER_02: This is like one of the most like trivia heavy things I've ever come across.
• 1:01:25
  SPEAKER_03: Um the same year, Seth Green and Breck and Meyer were in rat race together.
• 1:01:36
  SPEAKER_02: Uh Seth Green then went on to appear in Scooby-Doo 2.
• 1:01:43
  SPEAKER_05: Oh yes, of course, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:01:45
  SPEAKER_05: He's the bad guy, all sort of like, you know, questionable love interest guy.
• 1:01:51
  SPEAKER_05: Um Yeah.
• 1:01:54
  SPEAKER_02: And then okay, yeah, this this is a weird really, really weird thing, but it's about the end of the film where you find out that the Lisa um Fiona, Lisa Snyder, like the her identity her real identity, Lisa Snyder, um, she was named affectionate affectionately after the Universal Pictures chairperson Stacey Snyder.
• 1:02:15
  SPEAKER_02: And then when she saw the film, she was like, why is that the character's name?
• 1:02:19
  SPEAKER_02: Why have you done that?
• 1:02:21
  SPEAKER_05: She's like, um, everyone knows that um Lisa Snyder's super lame.
• 1:02:25
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 1:02:25
  SPEAKER_02: Why have you named her after me?
• 1:02:27
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 1:02:30
  SPEAKER_02: Now I want to know what that woman's like.
• 1:02:32
  SPEAKER_05: Because that's the thing, it's got that sort of like um really nice special thing where the villains aren't really villains in the way that regular villains are.
• 1:02:44
  SPEAKER_05: They're like, they're two like dweeb, like reformed nerds or like outcast losers from high school, and that's why they're acting the way they do.
• 1:02:53
  SPEAKER_05: They still definitely get like arrested and stuff, like but they and it turns out that like so like Alan Cumming has been working for Parker Posey as like his sort of like, you know, second-in-command like um record company Dog's Body um for years.
• 1:03:09
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 1:03:09
  SPEAKER_05: And then it turns out that they went to school together and they didn't recognize each other.
• 1:03:14
  SPEAKER_02: Because they both had so much surgery and stuff like that.
• 1:03:16
  SPEAKER_02: Or like hidden with makeup, and yeah, it's so ridiculous.
• 1:03:19
  SPEAKER_05: They both had such big glow-ups that they didn't recognize each other.
• 1:03:22
  SPEAKER_05: And so then they do this big reveal of like, um, and so um Parker Posey's kind of like Sofiona is like she's got a lisp, and you see it like it's hinted at.
• 1:03:33
  SPEAKER_05: I mean, I wouldn't even say hinted at, it's exposed to us uh from the start.
• 1:03:38
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:03:38
  SPEAKER_05: Um, and um, and so like she takes out like her teeth, reveals like a gap in her teeth and like a lisp, and like Alan Cummings' character is like an albino, like witches.
• 1:03:50
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that's really weird.
• 1:03:52
  SPEAKER_05: Which is really weird.
• 1:03:53
  SPEAKER_05: That's when it's kind of like I'm like, we're getting a bit ridiculous now.
• 1:03:56
  SPEAKER_02: An albino with like wispy hair.
• 1:03:58
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 1:03:58
  SPEAKER_02: And then like he takes he like opens his shirt to reveal he's got a giant belly.
• 1:04:02
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:04:03
  SPEAKER_05: He's been wearing a girdle for like 15 years, and he's like, it's me, white ass Wally, or something.
• 1:04:10
  SPEAKER_02: And he's really American, but he's been putting on a British accent.
• 1:04:18
  SPEAKER_05: It's so good.
• 1:04:20
  SPEAKER_05: It's just like it's so funny.
• 1:04:24
  SPEAKER_05: Where and and and you also have like, you know, like a sort of like a post-credit, like outtakes, like I miss outtakes.
• 1:04:31
  SPEAKER_02: I've talked about this before.
• 1:04:32
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I talked about this when when Rush Hour 2 was on this, and it's like the that was the peak of out of like outtakes on movies for me, but like this this yeah, I really miss it, and it's so of the time.
• 1:04:42
  SPEAKER_05: Again, if actually Rush Hour 2, same year as this, so like Yeah, yeah, it makes sense because it just feels like it was like this.
• 1:04:48
  SPEAKER_05: It was obviously a film that people had a lot of fun on it, and you just don't get the sense that people have fun on films anymore.
• 1:04:55
  SPEAKER_05: Everything's such a moody colour palette, and there's no because I remember like the outtakes from like Charlie's Angels, like those being really fun, like both, like both Charlie's Angels like one and two, and and it just like it was like, yeah, they're having fun.
• 1:05:10
  SPEAKER_05: This is like, you know, and it's and that's also like a trio of women.
• 1:05:14
  SPEAKER_05: There's maybe something about like trios of women having fun and there being outtakes and like being like, what a safe production this was and stuff.
• 1:05:23
  SPEAKER_05: Um because no one does outtakes anymore, no one has fun.
• 1:05:28
  SPEAKER_02: No.
• 1:05:29
  SPEAKER_05: It's just yeah, it's just miserable.
• 1:05:32
  SPEAKER_02: It is, it feels you feel it as well.
• 1:05:34
  SPEAKER_02: I don't feel I don't know, especially with comedy movies now.
• 1:05:38
  SPEAKER_02: I don't feel any there was any excitement around them.
• 1:05:43
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know, it just feels very, very much like paycheck.
• 1:05:46
  SPEAKER_02: Like people have come in done the movie, not really having fun.
• 1:05:50
  SPEAKER_05: I don't think I maybe there's no money to have fun anymore.
• 1:05:54
  SPEAKER_02: Like there's no like surely it's cheaper to film now because it's all digital.
• 1:05:59
  unknown: I
• 1:06:00
  SPEAKER_05: Guess so, but it I feel like there's something about like scheduling and some like cause it's just I remember because I you know, like I used to work in TV and and mostly in comedy, in scripted comedy, and it never felt like we had like the fact that if we had time to rehearse, like not even like films, but just like rehearse, yeah.
• 1:06:16
  SPEAKER_05: It was like wow, what how lucky we are.
• 1:06:19
  SPEAKER_05: So the fact that there are like outtakes or time for like improv or f like because you definitely there's definitely some improv happening in like the du jour scenes.
• 1:06:29
  SPEAKER_05: For sure, yeah.
• 1:06:29
  SPEAKER_02: They just they're just like doing whatever they want.
• 1:06:32
  SPEAKER_05: Um and you just don't get that anymore.
• 1:06:37
  SPEAKER_05: And I miss it.
• 1:06:38
  SPEAKER_05: I miss out takes and like and you know, like and yeah, something extra for the DVDs.
• 1:06:41
  SPEAKER_05: I guess stuff has changed because it's like well no one really buys DVDs anymore, and so you don't have that extra stuff.
• 1:06:49
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 1:06:50
  SPEAKER_05: But yeah, bloopers.
• 1:06:55
  SPEAKER_05: They'll be missed.
• 1:06:57
  SPEAKER_02: I've heard that like even when they release DVD, I I'm so unaware of like DVD Blu-ray releases now, but I even when they release them now, they don't even put they don't put anything extra on them.
• 1:07:06
  SPEAKER_02: No, I think well why are people gonna buy them then?
• 1:07:10
  SPEAKER_05: I guess because it costs so much to make them.
• 1:07:12
  SPEAKER_05: Like, especially like because you've I guess you've lost those like middle budget films.
• 1:07:16
  SPEAKER_05: You have like it's stuff like it's either big budget Marvel or it's slow budget, and there aren't like those middle budget films anywhere.
• 1:07:23
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that that's completely died out.
• 1:07:24
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, and that is where a lot of comedy sat.
• 1:07:27
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, you know.
• 1:07:28
  SPEAKER_02: If there are, they go straight to like Netflix now.
• 1:07:30
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 1:07:31
  SPEAKER_02: And that's a one of the bigger problems is like everything going to Netflix is why we also have that very flat look that does the that flat colour palette to everything.
• 1:07:43
  SPEAKER_02: Because they just it's just all like everything needs to look the same.
• 1:07:46
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, and like, and I think that a lot of Netflix films do a pretty good job.
• 1:07:51
  SPEAKER_05: I think they do a really good job of their YA films, or just like their YA stuff in general, and those kind of like I guess made for TV style rom coms.
• 1:08:02
  SPEAKER_05: But and a ca the occasional kind of like comedy horror that I think Netflix do a good job of, but like something that's just like straight comedy No, not like I feel like everything straight comedy now, it it tends to be just like a sequ a legacy sequel, which is what I've I've heard it called, it's legacy sequels.
• 1:08:22
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:08:22
  SPEAKER_02: Like a happy Gilmore 2.
• 1:08:24
  SPEAKER_05: Sure.
• 1:08:24
  SPEAKER_02: And it's and it's just like all that is is just cameos from people who just love Happy Gilmore.
• 1:08:31
  SPEAKER_02: And there's no it's not really a plot.
• 1:08:33
  SPEAKER_05: Or you're just sort of like maybe getting a cast that we're like we liked this cast in like well you're getting cast from like Bridesmaids and the tr like girls trip or something.
• 1:08:46
  SPEAKER_05: You're just putting like it's very dependent on the cast.
• 1:08:49
  SPEAKER_05: Because there was a film like there was what is it, Wine Country?
• 1:08:51
  SPEAKER_05: Like, we're like I enjoyed that, but like it is just kind of like you're kind of just putting these casts together.
• 1:08:57
  SPEAKER_05: Um and yeah.
• 1:09:00
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, I don't know.
• 1:09:01
  SPEAKER_05: I don't know what the future holds.
• 1:09:03
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I really don't know where where comedic movies are going.
• 1:09:07
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know what what's next.
• 1:09:10
  SPEAKER_02: Because like horror's having a resurgence, horror is, yeah.
• 1:09:14
  SPEAKER_02: And I don't know if the next step is comedy horror.
• 1:09:18
  SPEAKER_02: And then I don't know.
• 1:09:22
  SPEAKER_05: There's been some decent comedy horrors.
• 1:09:24
  SPEAKER_05: And I also think that like because comedy and horror are similar, yes, yeah, because they have like this like setup and like then kind of like punchline, like this ease of tension.
• 1:09:35
  SPEAKER_05: Yes, the ease of tension, yeah.
• 1:09:36
  SPEAKER_05: You're setting up tension and then you're releasing tension.
• 1:09:39
  SPEAKER_05: And so there's like similar styles in like the timing um and stuff like that.
• 1:09:44
  SPEAKER_05: And you have to be quite like concise.
• 1:09:45
  SPEAKER_05: And like, and I watched like Obsession recently, and there's Which does both very well, which is like there's really funny elements to it.
• 1:09:54
  SPEAKER_05: I I still think I remember um because I didn't watch it in the cinemas at the time, because I think I'd seen like a couple videos on TikTok being like, oh, it doesn't do what it's like set out to do, and like I'm so easily.
• 1:10:04
  SPEAKER_04: It definitely does.
• 1:10:05
  SPEAKER_05: Do you think like I um I'm in two minds about it?
• 1:10:09
  SPEAKER_05: I'm like, I need to watch a couple video essays on this, like, before I can like make I really enjoyed it.
• 1:10:14
  SPEAKER_05: I thought, and and some of it was fucking terrifying.
• 1:10:18
  SPEAKER_02: It is like so you didn't see it in the cinema, you saw it at home?
• 1:10:20
  SPEAKER_05: I saw it at home.
• 1:10:21
  SPEAKER_02: At the cinema, it's terrifying.
• 1:10:23
  SPEAKER_02: It's so like intense.
• 1:10:25
  SPEAKER_02: Like the sound on that is intense.
• 1:10:28
  SPEAKER_05: Um, and just sort of like just like when she's like Yeah, it was so funny.
• 1:10:36
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, everyone was like killing themselves laughing.
• 1:10:39
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 1:10:39
  SPEAKER_02: Like and so and then there's that, and then a spoiler for anyone who hasn't seen it, but there's there's a scene later on where she smashes the window and everyone would just scream and then just like burst out laughing.
• 1:10:51
  SPEAKER_05: Because I'm like, what her head is a fucking is gone.
• 1:10:54
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, everyone was just like, what the fuck?
• 1:10:57
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, it was so extreme.
• 1:10:59
  SPEAKER_05: It was so, so extreme.
• 1:11:02
  SPEAKER_05: Um, but yeah, so you have like I guess you have films like that where it's like it's an element of comedy, like it's still horror, but there's this like comedic element.
• 1:11:11
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:11:11
  SPEAKER_05: And I do think, and I think that there's kind of like like there's so many A24 films where it's like it's much darker, but there's like this sort of hint of comedy, like, what was it?
• 1:11:22
  SPEAKER_05: Um, what was the wedding one with Zendaya?
• 1:11:24
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, the drama, yeah.
• 1:11:26
  SPEAKER_02: The drama, yeah.
• 1:11:27
  SPEAKER_05: I felt like that, I thought that film was okay.
• 1:11:29
  SPEAKER_02: I didn't feel I liked it a lot, but like I I can see people not liking it.
• 1:11:33
  SPEAKER_05: I felt like it needed a third act.
• 1:11:34
  SPEAKER_05: I felt like it was kind of just in two parts.
• 1:11:37
  SPEAKER_05: Yes.
• 1:11:37
  SPEAKER_02: I can see that.
• 1:11:38
  SPEAKER_05: Um, and also maybe this is me being like absolutely crazy.
• 1:11:42
  SPEAKER_05: But like I thought that what Robert Pattinson's character did was like worse than what I don't know whether this is me being like it's kind like obviously obviously it's a terrible thing to be a school shooter, but like she didn't do it.
• 1:12:01
  SPEAKER_05: She just kind of like she planned it though.
• 1:12:03
  SPEAKER_05: She planned it.
• 1:12:04
  SPEAKER_05: She got right up into the Yeah, but like she contemplated it, but I just feel like there's gotta be, and but she's a child.
• 1:12:11
  SPEAKER_05: She's like, she's quite young in it.
• 1:12:13
  SPEAKER_05: And I guess because you kind of like see how lonely she is as a child, and I'm like, that's a grown man cheating on his wife and he's about to get married.
• 1:12:20
  SPEAKER_05: Maybe it's my like propensity to like blame men, like be like, men are bad, like you're doing bad, like, because I'm like, this was a ch misunderstood child.
• 1:12:28
  SPEAKER_05: Obviously, I don't have like sim, like I'm not trying to sympathize with school shooters, but I'm just saying that she didn't do her thing, and that's kind of the child brain.
• 1:12:38
  SPEAKER_05: It's like, oh, it can be like flipped so easily, like to to believe one thing, to think that this is gonna solve your problems, or to just do this, but then it's kind of like, oh, someone else did it, I'm not gonna do it.
• 1:12:48
  SPEAKER_05: Like, so to me, I'm like, I was never, I never took it that seriously because I'm like, obviously, she didn't do it.
• 1:12:56
  SPEAKER_02: So I think part of it is that she was planning it for a while.
• 1:13:02
  SPEAKER_02: And then when hit with him having that, with him cheating, that kind of came in the moment of like of like high tension after everything.
• 1:13:10
  SPEAKER_02: I'm not d I'm not condoning it.
• 1:13:11
  SPEAKER_02: I honestly think what he did was wrong, but like it just happened so quickly.
• 1:13:15
  SPEAKER_05: Like I was he's just like, oh, I feel so sad, and then it's like it was just so fast, and I'm like really fast, yeah.
• 1:13:22
  SPEAKER_02: And then she I kind of saw that coming though.
• 1:13:24
  SPEAKER_05: I sort of saw it coming because I'm like, when coworkers are too pretty, I'm like, it's like they're in movies, like you know, I'm like, okay, well, that's an extra that's a love interest.
• 1:13:33
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:13:34
  SPEAKER_02: It's like there's gonna be he it was always like he's going to do something in this movie, and like I can I think it's gonna be something like that.
• 1:13:42
  SPEAKER_02: Um yeah.
• 1:13:44
  SPEAKER_02: Uh did you see um the Tim Robinson and Paul Rudd film, the um friendship?
• 1:13:49
  SPEAKER_02: No, because that's like a really strange kind of comedic uh movie now, and I think that might be where it's things are leading.
• 1:13:56
  SPEAKER_02: It's like very dark comedy.
• 1:13:58
  SPEAKER_05: Things are strange, yeah, because you've got like because yeah, because you've got that other A24 film with Robert Pattinson who's like the to catch a predator guy.
• 1:14:05
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:14:05
  SPEAKER_05: Which I know that that's gonna be like kind of funny, but it's also about a man who is a pedophile hunter, like, and and so this is also a true story.
• 1:14:15
  SPEAKER_02: But no, friendship is just like this weird, dark comedy, very, very strange elements to it.
• 1:14:21
  SPEAKER_02: But like if you've seen ever seen Tim Robertson's stuff, like I think you should leave, it's like very very much that style, but like the darker elements of it, and it's just about a man's kind of obsession with being a friend of this other guy.
• 1:14:34
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, it's very good.
• 1:14:36
  SPEAKER_02: And that's interesting.
• 1:14:37
  SPEAKER_02: Very, very different to like other comedy that's out there.
• 1:14:39
  SPEAKER_05: Okay.
• 1:14:39
  SPEAKER_05: The friendship.
• 1:14:40
  SPEAKER_05: Okay, I'm gonna I'm gonna watch that because and also like because Paul Rudd is such a typical like buddy kind of guy, like perfectly cast for it.
• 1:14:52
  SPEAKER_02: And they they're both perfectly cast for it.
• 1:14:53
  SPEAKER_02: And like Paul Rudd really plays it well of like being like overly friendly at the start and then like being creeped out the more it goes along.
• 1:15:02
  SPEAKER_05: Okay, that's good.
• 1:15:04
  SPEAKER_02: The more he gets weirded out by you because Tim Robinson just like fully leans into that weirdness.
• 1:15:09
  SPEAKER_02: And it just gets you just don't know where it's going.
• 1:15:11
  SPEAKER_02: This is the other thing.
• 1:15:12
  SPEAKER_02: That's another thing I liked about it, is like you don't know where this is going.
• 1:15:15
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:15:15
  SPEAKER_02: So it leans into like it's a it's a full comedy, but it lean it like has those horror thriller sort of elements in it because you don't know where it's going, but like it's not a horror at all.
• 1:15:25
  SPEAKER_02: It's really strange.
• 1:15:27
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, I like I feel like I used to pay a lot more attention to cinema than I than I do now.
• 1:15:34
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:15:35
  SPEAKER_05: I think it's like it's super expensive, it's hard to I've never really cared much about like Marvel franchise or like other things, but even just like stuff that um, you know, directors that I like do.
• 1:15:49
  SPEAKER_05: Like it took me forever to like watch The Irishman because it just it feels like I mean not like I mean it takes it takes everyone forever, but like it's kind of like people are doing stuff that's either like self-indulgent or um and look, I I actually really liked The Irishman.
• 1:16:05
  SPEAKER_05: I was like too, yeah.
• 1:16:07
  SPEAKER_02: I thought it was quite underrated.
• 1:16:09
  SPEAKER_05: I um I guess because I didn't really like pay attention at the time, but that because I just thought it was gonna be like this like big epic, and it just wasn't.
• 1:16:16
  SPEAKER_05: It wasn't no, it's not, it's very understated.
• 1:16:18
  SPEAKER_02: Um I went to see it at the London Film Festival, actually, and it was just like, but but obviously it's like a four-hour movie.
• 1:16:24
  SPEAKER_02: It's really long.
• 1:16:25
  SPEAKER_02: And I think we were in the front row or the second row as well, and it's just like, oh god.
• 1:16:29
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, like this is your neck by the end of that, yeah, yeah.
• 1:16:33
  SPEAKER_05: Um no, bring back intervals.
• 1:16:36
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 1:16:36
  SPEAKER_02: That's one that definitely needed it.
• 1:16:39
  SPEAKER_02: Um so that does actually lead me into the question that I was gonna ask, which is do you have a movie that's well reviewed and well loved that you actually think is a bad movie?
• 1:16:49
  SPEAKER_05: Okay.
• 1:16:49
  SPEAKER_02: I feel like you've based on what you've just said, I feel like you've got ones in mind.
• 1:16:53
  SPEAKER_05: I've got like at least one in mind, and I'm sure that we'll think of more as we talk about it.
• 1:16:58
  SPEAKER_05: And I know that this is gonna get me hate.
• 1:17:00
  SPEAKER_05: Okay, so um Paddington.
• 1:17:06
  SPEAKER_05: Not Paddington 2.
• 1:17:07
  SPEAKER_05: I haven't seen Paddington 2 because I didn't like Paddington 1.
• 1:17:09
  SPEAKER_05: So I I I I disliked Paddington 1.
• 1:17:12
  SPEAKER_05: I just, and maybe it's like, maybe it's me.
• 1:17:15
  SPEAKER_05: I can be the malcontent in this in this situation.
• 1:17:19
  SPEAKER_05: Maybe I'm like just like a misery guts and I can't enjoy anything.
• 1:17:23
  SPEAKER_05: But I felt colonized by their accents.
• 1:17:27
  SPEAKER_05: I I was like, this is RP to the extreme.
• 1:17:30
  SPEAKER_05: I don't know anyone who talks like this.
• 1:17:32
  SPEAKER_05: It felt ridiculous.
• 1:17:34
  SPEAKER_05: Like he's like, I'm from darkest Peru.
• 1:17:36
  SPEAKER_05: I'm like, sound fucking Peruvian then.
• 1:17:38
  SPEAKER_02: Like I just Peruvian Paddington would be very funny.
• 1:17:43
  SPEAKER_05: It was just this like weird twee London that I've never.
• 1:17:49
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 1:17:49
  SPEAKER_02: It's like he's been in London is like since he was so young.
• 1:17:53
  SPEAKER_05: I get it.
• 1:17:54
  SPEAKER_05: It's not it's not Paddington's accent that pissed me off.
• 1:17:56
  SPEAKER_05: It was like everyone else's.
• 1:17:58
  SPEAKER_02: The actors.
• 1:17:58
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, it's all the actors.
• 1:18:00
  SPEAKER_05: It was just this, like it it was, it was, you know, Britain without anything real, and just kind of like, I guess what it looks like to the outside, like, you know, like like an American child, yeah, view of of of London, which which happens a lot, but like there was just but there's something about the fact, and and I can be a little bit of a contrarian because I know so many people like it.
• 1:18:26
  SPEAKER_05: Because I was like, I was willing to like it.
• 1:18:29
  SPEAKER_05: I don't mind like kids' movies, I know, and everyone's like Paddington 2, Paddington 2, and I'm like, I won't watch Paddington 2.
• 1:18:35
  SPEAKER_02: 2 is a lot better.
• 1:18:36
  SPEAKER_05: Because I didn't like Paddington 1, so I'm like, what makes you think I'm gonna watch Paddington 2?
• 1:18:40
  SPEAKER_02: I've no, I fully get like I fully get what you feel there with that, but like two, I I will say two is a lot better, but like I I get that with the RP stuff and and the feeling of that.
• 1:18:51
  SPEAKER_02: I and the the what you say about how it's a London that's not yeah that you're I'm like I've Where's this London?
• 1:18:59
  SPEAKER_02: I'm from London, yeah I've talked about this before on here, but like with Richard Curtis movies, it's it's an in the it's like a London that doesn't exist, at least to us.
• 1:19:10
  SPEAKER_02: And we've grown up in London and we like we're like what I don't relate to this whatsoever, and I know London inside out, and like it's just not real.
• 1:19:19
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:19:20
  SPEAKER_02: It's it's and I the way I described it is it's a London to people who have who didn't live in London but moved to London.
• 1:19:27
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:19:28
  SPEAKER_05: And I can see and I can sort of like because I don't mind Richard Curtis films.
• 1:19:31
  SPEAKER_05: Like I like them, I and I and I because I like rom coms, I'm kind of like, look, this is just a setting for the rom com.
• 1:19:38
  SPEAKER_05: It's not like the same.
• 1:19:40
  SPEAKER_05: It's also they're posh, they're they're they're actively overtly posh people.
• 1:19:45
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, you know, but like, and obviously like they're pretty posh and patterns because I was like, what clothes are they wearing?
• 1:19:50
  SPEAKER_05: Why are they dressed like this?
• 1:19:51
  SPEAKER_05: Because I'm like, what time is this?
• 1:19:52
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, because it could be like the 60s, it could be the 90s, it just it just didn't look real.
• 1:19:58
  SPEAKER_05: And I get it, okay.
• 1:19:58
  SPEAKER_05: There's a talking bear, it's not like it's not a real world anyway, but there was just something about the tone and the world building that rubbed me the wrong way, and I couldn't enjoy the film.
• 1:20:12
  SPEAKER_05: And also, like Paddington's like just like not my bear, you know?
• 1:20:15
  SPEAKER_05: Winnie the bear.
• 1:20:16
  SPEAKER_05: I like Winnie the Pooh.
• 1:20:17
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, yeah.
• 1:20:18
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, I get it.
• 1:20:18
  SPEAKER_05: Winnie the Pooh, just a bit more down to earth, like in the woods.
• 1:20:21
  SPEAKER_02: I just think it would have been really funny if you'd gone Rupert, Rupert's my bear.
• 1:20:25
  SPEAKER_05: Rupert, I guess like you know, a different British bear to be clear.
• 1:20:27
  SPEAKER_02: No, I Rupert would not be my Rupert's not my bear.
• 1:20:30
  SPEAKER_02: No, I don't think Rupert's anyone's bear now.
• 1:20:33
  SPEAKER_05: Probably just people called Rupert.
• 1:20:36
  SPEAKER_02: But there's, yeah, there's so I'm trying to think what other bears were.
• 1:20:39
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, Winnie the Pooh was always my one, like the one I was into.
• 1:20:41
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:20:42
  SPEAKER_02: Um my daughter has actually been watching Bear in the Big Blue House.
• 1:20:46
  SPEAKER_05: Bear in the Big Blue House is pretty good.
• 1:20:48
  SPEAKER_02: She's getting into that.
• 1:20:49
  SPEAKER_02: That's pretty good.
• 1:20:49
  SPEAKER_02: She likes the likes all the puppetry and stuff.
• 1:20:52
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:20:53
  SPEAKER_05: Um, no, that's a good one.
• 1:20:56
  SPEAKER_05: But I'm trying to think of like other films that I think are highly rated.
• 1:20:59
  SPEAKER_02: Well, that's a really strong take.
• 1:21:00
  SPEAKER_02: Like, that's a good one to yeah.
• 1:21:03
  SPEAKER_02: Look, let's We can leave it as that one.
• 1:21:05
  SPEAKER_05: We I don't know, people might come for me in the comments.
• 1:21:09
  SPEAKER_02: Um, but and I but I mean people come for every every single person that likes anytime I clip up the Well, I mean, what's one of yours?
• 1:21:19
  SPEAKER_02: Um I've I've said it so many times on here, but like the usual suspects is the one that I just do not like.
• 1:21:25
  SPEAKER_02: I really don't like it, and even before the Kevin Spacey stuff, I really didn't like it.
• 1:21:29
  SPEAKER_05: Interesting.
• 1:21:30
  SPEAKER_02: I just think it's so I think it relies so heavily on the twist, and people just remember it for the twist.
• 1:21:35
  SPEAKER_02: And then you go back and watch the movie, and it's like it's not a great movie itself.
• 1:21:38
  SPEAKER_02: It's so boring.
• 1:21:41
  SPEAKER_05: Fair enough.
• 1:21:42
  SPEAKER_05: Like, because like I think the usual suspects is one which is just like it's just stayed in pop culture because of the twist.
• 1:21:48
  SPEAKER_05: And a lot of the time, people like I think I probably knew about the twist before I'd seen the film.
• 1:21:53
  SPEAKER_02: Right, okay.
• 1:21:54
  SPEAKER_02: Um I think I did as well, and I think it's because of scary movie.
• 1:21:58
  SPEAKER_05: Maybe, yeah.
• 1:21:59
  SPEAKER_05: Like, that's the thing, it's just like, it's just this iconic scene.
• 1:22:01
  SPEAKER_05: And like, and I used to watch a lot of like countdown shows where it was like top 10 thing moments in movies, or like top 10, like, you know, like, or like 20 biggest whatever.
• 1:22:12
  SPEAKER_05: Um, so because those were just quite popular back back in the day.
• 1:22:15
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:22:15
  SPEAKER_05: Um, so I knew, and it's quite a good way to engage with pop culture without having to watch every single film.
• 1:22:22
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 1:22:22
  SPEAKER_02: Um you can know enough about the film without having to watch it all.
• 1:22:26
  SPEAKER_05: But that is an interesting one.
• 1:22:28
  SPEAKER_05: I think that's like a valid one because that is kind of like I remember liking it as a film.
• 1:22:33
  SPEAKER_05: I've definitely seen it like a couple times.
• 1:22:35
  SPEAKER_05: Okay.
• 1:22:36
  SPEAKER_05: Um, but do I think that it's really because I guess it's maybe just like kind of similar to like a heist movie.
• 1:22:45
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 1:22:46
  SPEAKER_05: And and I don't know if I care for those.
• 1:22:49
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, I do like a heist movie as well.
• 1:22:50
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 1:22:51
  SPEAKER_02: But I just find the usual suspects just really boring.
• 1:22:54
  SPEAKER_02: I just find it so boring as a film.
• 1:22:57
  SPEAKER_02: It just doesn't interest me at all.
• 1:22:59
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know what it is.
• 1:23:02
  SPEAKER_03: I don't mind it.
• 1:23:04
  SPEAKER_02: Well, I mean a lot of people.
• 1:23:05
  SPEAKER_02: A lot of people.
• 1:23:06
  SPEAKER_05: Sure, sure, sure, sure.
• 1:23:08
  SPEAKER_02: Um I'm trying to think of like what else um Braveheart is another obvious one, but like I've never seen it.
• 1:23:16
  SPEAKER_02: Again, very again, people just love the speech.
• 1:23:20
  SPEAKER_02: The very famous speech, but then Yeah, it's just not a great movie.
• 1:23:25
  SPEAKER_05: I don't think that's sort of like the you know, I mean it's not quite fantasy, but like historical fiction like like you know, like that sort of thing.
• 1:23:34
  SPEAKER_02: That's never been for me.
• 1:23:34
  SPEAKER_05: I no, I've never enjoyed it, and I don't think that we do that super well.
• 1:23:42
  SPEAKER_05: Depends, depends.
• 1:23:43
  SPEAKER_05: You've got like sort of like biblical epics, and then you've got like this historical fiction, and I it's just never really it depends on the time.
• 1:23:51
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:23:52
  SPEAKER_05: Um, because when I say like nineties onwards, I don't think historical fiction is that good.
• 1:23:57
  SPEAKER_05: Um But I like because there's definitely like like the odd Tarantino film where I'm like I'm not sure about that.
• 1:24:08
  SPEAKER_02: I I haven't liked a Tarantino film since I think the last great one he made was Inglorious Bastards.
• 1:24:16
  SPEAKER_02: And then after that Django's quite problematic.
• 1:24:20
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, yeah, Django's problematic.
• 1:24:23
  SPEAKER_02: Even like it's well made, but it's quite problematic as a film.
• 1:24:26
  SPEAKER_02: And then anything else, I have not liked the rest of them.
• 1:24:29
  SPEAKER_05: I'm trying to think of like what the rest of them are.
• 1:24:31
  SPEAKER_05: Like it's like hateful eight.
• 1:24:33
  SPEAKER_05: I just I didn't think like it just felt like, you know, when it's kind of like there are times when I think a director is kind of parodying themselves.
• 1:24:41
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 1:24:42
  SPEAKER_05: And I'm like, yeah, this was just a mishmash of stuff.
• 1:24:46
  SPEAKER_05: I don't really care.
• 1:24:47
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 1:24:48
  SPEAKER_05: Oh.
• 1:24:48
  SPEAKER_02: So there's that, and then um Once Upon a Time in Hollywood, which people love.
• 1:24:52
  SPEAKER_02: Actually, that's a- I didn't mind that.
• 1:24:54
  SPEAKER_02: I re I hated it.
• 1:24:56
  SPEAKER_05: Why did you hate it?
• 1:24:58
  SPEAKER_02: I I think it's just so It was long.
• 1:25:01
  SPEAKER_02: It's long.
• 1:25:02
  SPEAKER_02: I don't mind the length.
• 1:25:03
  SPEAKER_02: Again, like with Tarantina, you kind of come to expect it.
• 1:25:06
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:25:06
  SPEAKER_02: But I didn't think it was actually saying anything in the movie.
• 1:25:10
  SPEAKER_05: I think I understand that.
• 1:25:11
  SPEAKER_02: I get it, it's like supposed to be like a movie.
• 1:25:14
  SPEAKER_02: It's it's almost a hangout movie, a little bit, but like I don't care.
• 1:25:19
  SPEAKER_02: I just don't care.
• 1:25:21
  SPEAKER_05: Cause it's also kind of like, oh, you know the actual historical version of events, and so this different version of events, but it's like, well, it's not real, and so you've already kind of distanced yourself from from reality.
• 1:25:37
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 1:25:38
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:25:39
  SPEAKER_02: I didn't like Brad's P Brad Pitt's character.
• 1:25:42
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know.
• 1:25:44
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 1:25:44
  SPEAKER_02: I didn't get why his character was so pra like why his performance was so praised in that movie.
• 1:25:50
  SPEAKER_02: That's that's another thing I didn't get.
• 1:25:52
  SPEAKER_05: I don't really understand why he people I don't think he's doing anything different to what he's done before.
• 1:25:56
  SPEAKER_02: No.
• 1:25:57
  SPEAKER_05: Um yeah.
• 1:25:59
  SPEAKER_02: People just like went crazy for that performance and was like, I don't know.
• 1:26:04
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know, it's fine.
• 1:26:07
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know if it's Oscar worthy.
• 1:26:08
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, yeah, yeah, sure.
• 1:26:11
  SPEAKER_02: Um also that was the same year, I believe that was the same year that uh Yeah, yeah, so this was the thing.
• 1:26:21
  SPEAKER_02: Um The year he won that um was the year that Joe Pesci and Al Pacino were nominated for um The Irishman.
• 1:26:30
  SPEAKER_02: And I thought uh Joe Pesci in particular was so good in that movie.
• 1:26:35
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, and uh Joe Pesci's never got an Oscar.
• 1:26:38
  SPEAKER_02: He has has he?
• 1:26:39
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, for Raging Bull.
• 1:26:41
  SPEAKER_05: Oh, okay, fine.
• 1:26:42
  SPEAKER_02: But he also I think I believe it's the shortest speech in history, shortest acceptance speech in history, because I think he just says thank you very much and walks away.
• 1:26:50
  SPEAKER_05: Oh really?
• 1:26:52
  SPEAKER_05: Oh, I've seen him like give like speeches and stuff before though like I I don't know.
• 1:26:57
  SPEAKER_05: I don't know what's going on at Raging Bull times.
• 1:26:59
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, he just like goes on, he doesn't he doesn't care.
• 1:27:01
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, he's just not fast at all.
• 1:27:04
  SPEAKER_02: Which is great.
• 1:27:05
  SPEAKER_02: I'd I'd love to be like so non-plused about Oh Joe Pesh is so good.
• 1:27:10
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 1:27:10
  SPEAKER_05: Whenever good like Goodfellas is a film that I could just watch over and over again.
• 1:27:13
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, for sure.
• 1:27:14
  SPEAKER_05: It's so good.
• 1:27:16
  SPEAKER_05: You just never get tired of Goodfellas.
• 1:27:18
  unknown: Yeah.
• 1:27:19
  SPEAKER_02: Goodfellas is great, and I think he's really underrated in casino as well.
• 1:27:23
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:27:25
  SPEAKER_05: Because he's sort of like the fact that he is this kind of rival against like the fact that he's able to be this like love rival against Robert De Niro for Sharon for Sharon Stone.
• 1:27:42
  SPEAKER_05: For Sharon Stone, like it's like but it's believable.
• 1:27:46
  SPEAKER_05: Like Joe Pershy is like this, like you know, like not a big guy, but like so domineering, so powerful that like Sharon Stone is cheating on Robert De Niro with because Robert De Niro is more.
• 1:28:00
  SPEAKER_05: He's more subdued, he's like he's the he's like the weaker man, like and he does that well.
• 1:28:06
  SPEAKER_05: He does like you know, he can do that as well.
• 1:28:08
  SPEAKER_05: Um and so it just you know, because if you've never seen the film and you only know a little bit of Joe Pesha, you'd be like, What?
• 1:28:17
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, like what do you mean?
• 1:28:20
  SPEAKER_05: But but yeah, it works.
• 1:28:22
  SPEAKER_05: If it's like Home Alone or something, we're like, What do you mean the guy from Home Alone is getting Sharon Stone?
• 1:28:28
  SPEAKER_05: Like, yeah.
• 1:28:31
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, it's very funny.
• 1:28:33
  SPEAKER_02: Uh uh, that's a great movie.
• 1:28:34
  SPEAKER_02: That's that's an underrated one.
• 1:28:35
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 1:28:36
  SPEAKER_02: Because people hold it in contention with um like they compare it too much to Goodfellas.
• 1:28:41
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 1:28:41
  SPEAKER_02: Which is obviously the the superior film.
• 1:28:43
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:28:44
  SPEAKER_02: But Casino is really underrated.
• 1:28:45
  SPEAKER_05: Casino's a really good film.
• 1:28:46
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 1:28:47
  SPEAKER_05: Casino is worth a couple watches.
• 1:28:48
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 1:28:49
  SPEAKER_05: Um but I like I like Scorsese.
• 1:28:52
  SPEAKER_05: I've always like I mean I haven't seen like every single Scorsese film, but I just think I think I'm close to seeing all of them.
• 1:28:58
  SPEAKER_05: I think I've seen 70%.
• 1:29:02
  SPEAKER_02: Um What's a big one you haven't seen?
• 1:29:05
  SPEAKER_05: Hugo.
• 1:29:06
  SPEAKER_05: Um that's like Yeah, yeah.
• 1:29:10
  SPEAKER_05: Um what are some other ones that I haven't seen?
• 1:29:13
  SPEAKER_05: What like there's one the I mean not it's not a big one, but the one with like, is it the passion of the passion of Christmas?
• 1:29:20
  SPEAKER_02: Um with Willem Dafoe.
• 1:29:23
  SPEAKER_02: Uh Last Temptation of Christ.
• 1:29:25
  SPEAKER_05: The Last Temptation of Christ, right.
• 1:29:27
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah I haven't seen that one, but that's not a big one.
• 1:29:29
  SPEAKER_05: Um but I've seen ones like what, like New York, New York.
• 1:29:33
  SPEAKER_02: Like, yeah, so that's that's deep cut and yeah, that's a deep cut Scorsese.
• 1:29:37
  SPEAKER_05: And I like I love the King of Comedy.
• 1:29:39
  SPEAKER_02: I did my like so good.
• 1:29:41
  SPEAKER_05: I did my dissertation, my film studies master's dissertation on like the King of Comedy.
• 1:29:46
  SPEAKER_05: Wow.
• 1:29:46
  SPEAKER_05: I can't remember what my point was.
• 1:29:48
  SPEAKER_05: I don't remember, but like, you know, but yeah, I um I feel like I've seen I'm just looking at the And I've seen like Mean Streets, like I love Mean Streets.
• 1:29:58
  SPEAKER_02: Mean Streets is great.
• 1:29:59
  SPEAKER_05: Um I've I've never seen The Age of Innocence.
• 1:30:04
  SPEAKER_02: Um I've not that's actually one I've not seen, yeah.
• 1:30:08
  SPEAKER_02: I um Age of Innocence didn't see silence.
• 1:30:13
  SPEAKER_02: Uh no, I didn't see silence.
• 1:30:15
  SPEAKER_02: And then I've not seen like his first like ones like Box Car Bertha.
• 1:30:20
  SPEAKER_02: Sure.
• 1:30:21
  SPEAKER_02: Um everything since Mean Streets I've seen except for Age of Innocence and Silence, actually.
• 1:30:30
  SPEAKER_05: I've never seen I haven't seen Killers of the Flower Moon.
• 1:30:35
  SPEAKER_05: I haven't seen that one.
• 1:30:36
  SPEAKER_02: Um that's very good.
• 1:30:37
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 1:30:38
  SPEAKER_02: That's very, very good.
• 1:30:39
  SPEAKER_02: I think like it's like very good Scorsese deniri.
• 1:30:45
  SPEAKER_05: I um I think it just seemed like I was just sort of like I really have to be in the mood for like a Western.
• 1:30:52
  SPEAKER_02: It's not a Western.
• 1:30:52
  SPEAKER_05: I guess it's not a Western.
• 1:30:54
  SPEAKER_05: But they got cowboy hats on.
• 1:30:55
  SPEAKER_02: It's not a Western in the slightest.
• 1:30:57
  SPEAKER_05: I know, I guess it's not a Western, but I'm like in that like that time.
• 1:31:01
  SPEAKER_05: There's something kind of historical.
• 1:31:03
  SPEAKER_02: It's historic, yeah.
• 1:31:04
  SPEAKER_05: Historical fiction, epic, like big.
• 1:31:06
  SPEAKER_05: I was I'm just not always in the mood for.
• 1:31:11
  SPEAKER_05: I I've only seen I've seen like some of the aviator, but not like all the way from.
• 1:31:16
  SPEAKER_02: Oh I love The Aviator.
• 1:31:18
  SPEAKER_05: Um, but I've honestly seen like most of them.
• 1:31:20
  SPEAKER_05: I haven't seen After Hours of the Colour of Money.
• 1:31:23
  SPEAKER_02: Well, After Hours is a good one.
• 1:31:26
  SPEAKER_02: Uh I only saw that recently for the first I saw that maybe a couple years ago for the first time.
• 1:31:30
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 1:31:31
  SPEAKER_02: But it's it's like a great um comedic.
• 1:31:36
  SPEAKER_02: It's a great comedic film, but it's like real um high stakes and pressure and like building and building and building.
• 1:31:42
  SPEAKER_02: It's like really it's a great w uh film for like watching pressure build throughout.
• 1:31:46
  SPEAKER_05: Okay, okay.
• 1:31:48
  SPEAKER_05: I yeah.
• 1:31:49
  SPEAKER_05: But I do I do really like Scorsozi.
• 1:31:52
  SPEAKER_05: I think um he's I just think he's so good.
• 1:31:58
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, for sure.
• 1:31:59
  SPEAKER_02: I completely agree.
• 1:32:00
  SPEAKER_02: He used to be like one of my favorite uh well, I think he still is one of my favorite filmmakers, but like yeah.
• 1:32:05
  SPEAKER_02: So yeah, thank you so much for coming on.
• 1:32:07
  SPEAKER_05: Thank you for having me.
• 1:32:08
  SPEAKER_02: Uh it's been really fun.
• 1:32:09
  SPEAKER_02: How can people find you online and what can you give your details for the show again?
• 1:32:14
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:32:15
  SPEAKER_05: So if you want to find me, the best place to do it is Instagram.
• 1:32:18
  SPEAKER_05: My Instagram is at Mary with the Gold Shoes.
• 1:32:21
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• 1:32:22
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• 1:32:25
  SPEAKER_05: I'm on YouTube.
• 1:32:26
  SPEAKER_05: Uh it's at Mary with the YouTube.
• 1:32:29
  SPEAKER_05: Do I need more brand cohesion?
• 1:32:31
  SPEAKER_05: Maybe, maybe we do like, but um, if you wanna see me in person, I'm doing a taping of uh um my stand-up special Money Princess on the 19th of November at the Pleasants Theatre Islington.
• 1:32:44
  SPEAKER_05: We're doing a 6 p.m.
• 1:32:45
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• 1:32:46
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• 1:32:47
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• 1:32:57
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• 1:33:00
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• 1:33:01
  SPEAKER_05: Please don't hate me for what I said about Paddington, like I'm just a girl.
• 1:33:05
  SPEAKER_02: Um you know roughly uh when you'll end up releasing it, or is it gonna be I imagine it'll be a while still?
• 1:33:14
  SPEAKER_05: It will be maybe like the new year, maybe like in January or something.
• 1:33:19
  SPEAKER_00: Quite a good quick time.
• 1:33:21
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, I think it's sort of like because you like, yeah, you get it done.
• 1:33:24
  SPEAKER_05: I mean, you film it, you know, like towards the end of November, they've got a bit of December to work on it, then pick things kind of shut up for Christmas, and then yeah.
• 1:33:35
  SPEAKER_05: So we'll see.
• 1:33:35
  SPEAKER_05: I mean, I like I'm kind of like laser focused on actually recording it.
• 1:33:40
  SPEAKER_05: Of course, yeah.
• 1:33:40
  SPEAKER_05: So like the actual release where I'm like, oh yeah, then it goes.
• 1:33:43
  SPEAKER_05: Then I have got a thing that you can just like promote for for ages.
• 1:33:47
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 1:33:47
  SPEAKER_05: Um so we'll see.
• 1:33:49
  SPEAKER_05: I've got clip up, clive up.
• 1:33:50
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:33:51
  SPEAKER_05: I mean, I've got 45 YouTube subscribers right now.
• 1:33:54
  SPEAKER_05: Hey.
• 1:33:54
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• 1:34:00
  SPEAKER_05: Um, Mary with the YouTube.
• 1:34:02
  SPEAKER_05: Mary with the YouTube.
• 1:34:03
  SPEAKER_05: Stay posted.
• 1:34:06
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• 1:34:07
  SPEAKER_05: Oh, thank you for having me.
• 1:34:08
  SPEAKER_05: This is really fun.