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The Kenny Report | 1 October · The Kenny Report

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  Speaker 1: Lone from the skying New Center. This is the Kenny Report.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks for joining me tonight.
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  Speaker 2: My exclusive interview with the Australian Federal Police Deputy.
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  Speaker 1: Commissioner who says people will be.
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  Speaker 2: Charged over displaying Hesbalah flags over the weekend.
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  Speaker 1: But the question is why has this taken.
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  Speaker 2: So long after a year of escalating anti semitism and hatred.
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  Speaker 2: Also an exclusive interview with the former New South Wales
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  Speaker 2: Police Commissioner Mick Fuller, who admits the COVID pandemic rules
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  Speaker 2: were over the top and impossible to police. On energy,
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  Speaker 2: a comprehensive report from the Biden administration in the US
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  Speaker 2: that blows up the anti nuclear arguments of Anthony Alberanzi
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  Speaker 2: and Chris Bowen. I'll cross to Adam Crichton in the
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  Speaker 2: US to look at the jumbled thoughts of Kamala Harris,
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  Speaker 2: plus a terrific panel, Tim Blair and plenty more. Let's
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  Speaker 2: get into it. The Albenzi Labor government's ida logical and
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  Speaker 2: illogical opposition to nuclear energy has been dealt a savage
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  Speaker 2: blow by its political soulmates in the United States, the
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  Speaker 2: Democrat administration of Joe Biden and Kamala and Kamala Harris
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  Speaker 2: has just announced a major energy initiative, and it makes
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  Speaker 2: all kinds of practical and economic sense. It also completely
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  Speaker 2: destroys the arguments put forward by Anthony Albanisi and Chris Bowen,
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  Speaker 2: not to mention the Greens and the Tills and all
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  Speaker 2: those who oppose nuclear energy. You can spin and lie
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  Speaker 2: all you like in politics, but eventually reality gets a
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  Speaker 2: look in. Eventually the facts catch up with you. Let
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  Speaker 2: me just take you through the US announcements and let the.
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  Speaker 1: Facts do the talking.
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  Speaker 2: That Biden Harris administration has announced it's bringing back what
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  Speaker 2: it calls clean nuclear energy, spending one point five billion
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  Speaker 2: dollars to restore a retired nuclear reactor then put it
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  Speaker 2: back into service. The White House Climate Advisor says the
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  Speaker 2: President and Vice President have taken historic steps from day
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  Speaker 2: one to keep existing nuclear plants from shutting down, restart
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  Speaker 2: previously shuttered nuclear plants, and bring new reactors online.
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  Speaker 1: But weight there's more, much more.
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  Speaker 2: A major US Energy Department report released yesterday focuses on
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  Speaker 2: pathways to commercial liftoff for advanced nuclear energy. It finds
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  Speaker 2: that nuclear has an essential role in the energy transition
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  Speaker 2: as a clean firm complement to renewables. It goes on
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  Speaker 2: to say that nuclear generates carbon free electricity, firm power
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  Speaker 2: that complements renewables, has low land use requirements and has
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  Speaker 2: lower transmission requirements. It also offers high paying jobs and
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  Speaker 2: significant regional economic benefits. It aids the equitable transition to
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  Speaker 2: a net zero grid, and it also has a variety
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  Speaker 2: of uses that enable grid flexibility and decarbonization beyond the
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  Speaker 2: grid by helping with industrial heat and the like.
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  Speaker 1: So that's all great.
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  Speaker 2: The political left should love all that, but what about costs. Well,
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  Speaker 2: the report finds that levelize cost of electricity, the usual measure,
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  Speaker 2: doesn't capture the full benefits of nuclear. It misses benefits
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  Speaker 2: like the value of an eighty year operating asset and
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  Speaker 2: the firm generation providing power when variable or intermittent renewable
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  Speaker 2: resources are not generating. And then there's the value of
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  Speaker 2: cutting carbon emissions. Little wonder now that the US is
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  Speaker 2: looking at the next initial step of ordering five to
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  Speaker 2: ten new nuclear power stations, all to be built under
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  Speaker 2: one reacted design. These factual assessments will reflect the reality
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  Speaker 2: that we've been talking about on this program for years,
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  Speaker 2: with expert after expert Making all this clear, the report
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  Speaker 2: makes the case for nuclear plus renewables on practical and
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  Speaker 2: economic grounds. It says nuclear doesn't displace or compete with renewables. Rather,
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  Speaker 2: decarbonization requires both nuclear and renewables. And it compares electricity
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  Speaker 2: costs under renewables plus storage that's effectively Labour's model, and
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  Speaker 2: renewables plus nuclear, which is the Coalition's model, and the
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  Speaker 2: power costs are thirty seven percent cheaper with nuclear.
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  Speaker 1: That's a stunning finding.
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  Speaker 2: The renewables plus nuclear model, the one proposed by Peter
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  Speaker 2: Dutton and the Coalition, delivers energy that's nearly forty percent
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  Speaker 2: cheaper than the Labor government's renewables only plan. And this
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  Speaker 2: is from Albow's political mates in the US. And then
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  Speaker 2: there's all the other benefits, like saving all the landscapes
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  Speaker 2: from transmission projects, and then there's the modern sophisticated industry
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  Speaker 2: and jobs. Nuclear makes all the sense in the world.
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  Speaker 2: Albanezi Bowen and the Greens and the Tills are exposed
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  Speaker 2: as the energy luddites opposing nuclear for political reasons. And
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  Speaker 2: if they had their way, of course, you'd all be
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  Speaker 2: left with expensive and unreliable power and a landscape lighted
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  Speaker 2: by renewable and.
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  Speaker 1: Transmission infrastructure.
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  Speaker 2: In a moment my interview with the Federal Police about
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  Speaker 2: why no one has yet been charged or prosecuted for
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  Speaker 2: waving Hezbollah flags. But first let me note that as
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  Speaker 2: Sydney mosque last night they mourned at that moss they
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  Speaker 2: mourned the death of Hesbala leader Hassan Nasrala killed in
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  Speaker 2: a target that Israeli bombing rate on the weekend. Australians morning,
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  Speaker 2: a terrorist leader. Just terrible, and more mosques are planning
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  Speaker 2: ceremonies later this week. Like me, many of you have
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  Speaker 2: been outraged since the since October the eighth last year
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  Speaker 2: in this country, when we first started seeing people in
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  Speaker 2: Australia celebrate the slaughter of inner city Israelis, there were
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  Speaker 2: no arrests back then. Then there was the protest at
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  Speaker 2: the Opera House demonizing and intimidating israel Jews and Jewish Australians,
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  Speaker 2: but there were no arrests.
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  Speaker 1: And now fifty one weeks on.
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  Speaker 2: We're talking about Hezbalah flags paraded in Sydney and Melbourne
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  Speaker 2: and still no arrests. This sickens me, and it terrifies me,
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  Speaker 2: and it makes me deeply sad for my country too.
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  Speaker 2: We now live in a country where people actually support
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  Speaker 2: terrorist organizations, groups that slaughter, torture and kidnap innocent men,
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  Speaker 2: women and children. It's unforgivable that our governments and authorities
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  Speaker 2: have been standing idly by for this reason alone. Voters
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  Speaker 2: need to get rid of the Albanesi government next year.
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  Speaker 2: They're failing the country. But let's also look at the
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  Speaker 2: public broadcaster that you pay for, the ABC, the ABC.
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  Speaker 2: Here's how they reported on this yesterday.
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  Speaker 3: Police investigations are underway into whether criminal laws were broken
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  Speaker 3: by protesters who bore Hesbela flags and images in the
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  Speaker 3: big Australian cities yesterday as a listed terrorist organization. That's
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  Speaker 3: not supposed to have happened, and it might not have
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  Speaker 3: happened had it not been for the latest onslaught of
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  Speaker 3: bombing by Israel in Lebanon as it took out Hesbella's leadership.
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  Speaker 2: Really, they blame Israel for people supporting terrorist groups in Australia.
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  Speaker 1: Appalling. Now listen to how.
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  Speaker 2: They described that bloodthirsty is the mist extremist terrorist outfit Hesbala.
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  Speaker 4: The Lebanese militant group's flag was spotted at rallies in
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  Speaker 4: Sydney and Melbourne yesterday.
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  Speaker 2: It's the Lebanese militant group. They make them sound like
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  Speaker 2: freedom fighters are legitimate force. They are Iranian backed Shea
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  Speaker 2: terrorists intent on the elimination of Israel and Jews and
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  Speaker 2: anyone who supports them. That's why they're a listed terrorist
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  Speaker 2: group around the world, including in Australia. Yet today an
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  Speaker 2: ABC reporter seemed to question that listing.
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  Speaker 5: What sorry, what determined happened?
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  Speaker 1: Where are you from?
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  Speaker 6: I'm sorry which organization?
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  Speaker 1: ABC?
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  Speaker 2: After some toing and froing, we got this exchange.
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  Speaker 6: Well, I had presumed up until this point at least
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  Speaker 6: that the ABC supported the government's laws, and the government
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  Speaker 6: has passed laws supported on a bipartisan basis, but not
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  Speaker 6: by the ABC. It seems, in relation to the prescribing
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  Speaker 6: or the listing of a terrorist organization. HESBLA under Australian
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  Speaker 6: law is a listed terrorist organization. Now, if the ABC
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  Speaker 6: doesn't support that, they should be very clear about it,
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  Speaker 6: because I think that's quite a departure. But you asked me,
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  Speaker 6: why why why our country has listed HESBLAH. They're a
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  Speaker 6: terrorist organization that they organized terrorist attacks. And if that
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  Speaker 6: is not clear to the ABC, then I think the
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  Speaker 6: ABC is in greater trouble, and even I first imagined.
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  Speaker 1: Dutton clearly has a point.
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  Speaker 2: On seven point thirty last night, we heard positive character
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  Speaker 2: assessments of Nazrala, the terrorist leader that has the blood
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  Speaker 2: of thousands on his hands.
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  Speaker 7: He was a very strong leader to Hasbella, but also
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  Speaker 7: very charismatic, I mean terrorism or nods.
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  Speaker 5: He was someone that when he talked and when he.
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  Speaker 1: Addressed the Natian or his public.
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  Speaker 8: He'd commanded respect and listening.
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  Speaker 2: We also heard anti Israel bile from the Lebanese government.
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  Speaker 8: We haven't seen a killing machine and a level of
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  Speaker 8: destruction and traerpower that's happening in Lebanon in the last
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  Speaker 8: few weeks, so this is a major challenge and predicament.
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  Speaker 2: But there were no questions to this minister about why
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  Speaker 2: his government allowed Hezbella to turn southern Lebanon into a
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  Speaker 2: heavily militarized terrorism launching pad for attacks against Israeli civilians.
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  Speaker 2: And this, by the way, is specifically outlawed under United
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  Speaker 2: Nations Security Council Resolution seventeen oh one, But no.
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  Speaker 1: Questions about that. Apparently that query didn't.
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  Speaker 2: Occur to the ABC, they take more than a billion
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  Speaker 2: dollars of tax dollars every year from Australians, but those
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  Speaker 2: don't seem too interested in Australia's values.
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  Speaker 1: As a nation.
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  Speaker 2: Now let's get to my interview with the Australian Federal
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  Speaker 2: Police Deputy Commissioner Chrissy Barrett.
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  Speaker 1: I started by.
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  Speaker 2: Asking, given all the hatred we've seen since October last year,
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  Speaker 2: why we still hadn't seen any arrests.
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  Speaker 5: Thank you, Chris.
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  Speaker 7: Can I say from the outset that the AFP takes
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  Speaker 7: our role extremely seriously in protecting the community, and I
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  Speaker 7: do want to say that there is no place for
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  Speaker 7: behavior in our country that incites violence or hatred based
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  Speaker 7: on race or religion, and where we do see offenses occurring, we.
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  Speaker 5: Will take action. We will prosecute.
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  Speaker 7: We have commenced multiple investigations as a result of behavior
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  Speaker 7: at protests over the weekend and we are using our
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  Speaker 7: full suite of investigative capabilities to push through those investigations
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  Speaker 7: as quickly as possible. What I can also tell you
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  Speaker 7: is that we have received a number of referrals from
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  Speaker 7: our partners in Victoria Police in relation to protest activity
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  Speaker 7: in Melbourne over the weekend and today even we've received
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  Speaker 7: information from members of the public as well in relation
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  Speaker 7: to protest activity in Sydney. So it is an opportunity
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  Speaker 7: for me to ask that if there are people out
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  Speaker 7: in the community that do have information that they can
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  Speaker 7: provide to us, I strongly encourage them to do so
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  Speaker 7: through the National Security Hotline.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's good to hear that informations coming through and
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  Speaker 2: you're investigating it. I'll follow up on what happened on
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  Speaker 2: the weekend in a moment, but I want to go
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  Speaker 2: right back to early October last year, nearly a year ago,
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  Speaker 2: when we saw on October the eighth on city streets,
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  Speaker 2: we saw a shake leading celebrations about the slaughter of
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  Speaker 2: Israelis at the hands of Hamas. Twelve hundred killed, as
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  Speaker 2: you know, and two hundred and fifty hostages taken. They
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  Speaker 2: were celebrating that as a day of trial and joy.
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  Speaker 2: That seems like hate preaching to me, and it seems
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  Speaker 2: like it's likely to incite more hatred and more violence.
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  Speaker 2: And then of course the following night we had those
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  Speaker 2: chants and at the protests at the Opera House, where
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  Speaker 2: some say it was death to the Jews or gas
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  Speaker 2: the Jews. The New South Wales Police said, it's where's
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  Speaker 2: the Jews? But even where's the Jews is surely a
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  Speaker 2: concerning chant in those circumstances. Why wasn't anybody arrested or
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  Speaker 2: even investigated over those protests right at the start? Hasn't
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  Speaker 2: that sort of opened the floodgates to really nasty protests
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  Speaker 2: every day since?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, so, Chris.
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  Speaker 7: Obviously our state and territory partners, so New South Wales
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  Speaker 7: Police in this case have the primary role for law
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  Speaker 7: and order and community.
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  Speaker 5: Safety at protest activities.
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  Speaker 7: Of course we work in conjunction with them and other
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  Speaker 7: agencies in relation to protest activity. I can say is
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  Speaker 7: since October seven, we have had a number of investigations
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  Speaker 7: in relation to what you've phrased hate speech and this
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  Speaker 7: hates symbols legislation that has been talked about a lot
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  Speaker 7: over the last couple of days. It came into effect
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  Speaker 7: in January of this year. We have had a number
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  Speaker 7: of investigations in relation to the hate symbols where we
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  Speaker 7: have received referrals from community leaders, members of the public,
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  Speaker 7: other partner agencies. To date, we have not had an
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  Speaker 7: investigation that has met the threshold in order.
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  Speaker 5: To put a matter up before the court.
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  Speaker 7: And I guess that's where our commentary yesterday around the legislation,
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  Speaker 7: specifically the hate symbols legislation, that mere display of the
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  Speaker 7: hate symbol under the legislation the way it has been
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  Speaker 7: constructed is not in and of itself enough for us
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  Speaker 7: to commence the prosecution. There are other elements that we
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  Speaker 7: need to be able to satisfy in order to put
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  Speaker 7: a brief of evidence before the court, and that is
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  Speaker 7: certainly part of the investigations that we've got underway at
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  Speaker 7: the moment.
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  Speaker 2: Well, we brought to the AFP's attention last week vision
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  Speaker 2: of a protest in Sydney last week last Tuesday night,
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  Speaker 2: where people were seen walking down the streets in Sydney
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  Speaker 2: at this protest with the hez Bala symbol the hes
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  Speaker 2: Blah flag effectively on the back of their windsheeters.
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  Speaker 1: There was no action taken then.
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  Speaker 2: And of course then for us fast forward to Sunday
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  Speaker 2: a few days later in Sydney and Melbourne, we saw
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  Speaker 2: the hes Ba flag waved around. Now, according to the
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  Speaker 2: legislation and the intent of the legislation, this is supposed
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  Speaker 2: to be against the law to display the symbol of
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  Speaker 2: a prescribed terrorist organization. Why weren't those people arrested on
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  Speaker 2: the spot for displaying those flags.
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  Speaker 7: So Chris not to get to technical with the legislation,
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  Speaker 7: but if I perhaps just stepped through the high level
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  Speaker 7: elements of it in terms of what we need to
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  Speaker 7: satisfy that offense has occurred. So firstly, there needs to
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  Speaker 7: be a symbol that is recognized as a terrorist organization symbol,
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  Speaker 7: and of course we know that Hezeblah and Hamas are
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  Speaker 7: both prescribed terrorist organizations in this country. The display has
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  Speaker 7: to be in a public place, hence the protest activity
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  Speaker 7: we've seen over the weekend. But there is also a
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  Speaker 7: third element, and we need to satisfy that a reasonable
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  Speaker 7: person would understand that the conduct met one of a
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  Speaker 7: number of elements, and that includes inciting or intimidating violence
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  Speaker 7: or hatred based on race or religion.
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  Speaker 5: So that's that extra element.
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  Speaker 7: So this is where the context of the conduct becomes
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  Speaker 7: very important. So it's not just mere waving a flag.
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  Speaker 7: We need to look at what were they saying, were
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  Speaker 7: the chanting, what were they wearing, what was.
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  Speaker 5: Their physical demeanor.
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  Speaker 7: We need to be able to prove that a reasonable
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  Speaker 7: person would consider that that conduct was inciting or you know,
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  Speaker 7: advocating violence or hatred.
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  Speaker 5: So that's that's the work that we're doing.
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  Speaker 7: It.
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  Speaker 2: Let's step through this because I think it's very important
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  Speaker 2: and the whole country needs to understand this. Now we've
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  Speaker 2: shown vision of these examples of people displaying these insignia,
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  Speaker 2: these signals. Let me show you what the Attorney General
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  Speaker 2: said last year when this legislation was first passed, and
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  Speaker 2: he said in Parliament that the bill makes it a
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  Speaker 2: criminal offense to publicly display prohibited symbols and it includes
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  Speaker 2: Nazi Nazi symbols in Islamic State and the rest of them.
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  Speaker 2: Of course, other prescribed organizations can be added and we're
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  Speaker 2: added later.
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  Speaker 1: And when we go to.
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  Speaker 2: The legislation, as you say, it says an offense is
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  Speaker 2: committed where a person causes this thing to be displayed
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  Speaker 2: in a public place and the person knows that this
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  Speaker 2: is a prohibited terrorist organization symbol. And when it talks
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  Speaker 2: about these other sub sections, it says that this should
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  Speaker 2: mean that a reasonable person considers that this spreads racial
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  Speaker 2: hatred and it intimidates people and it incites hatred against
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  Speaker 2: racial or religious groups. Now, my point to view is
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  Speaker 2: surely at these pro Palestinian or anti Israeli protess and
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  Speaker 2: if you're waiving a his Balah flag, it's obvious that
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  Speaker 2: that's a public display and that it incites hatred and violence.
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  Speaker 2: Why wouldn't we actually prosecute these people? And if you say,
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  Speaker 2: if it doesn't meet the threshold, let that be on
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  Speaker 2: the courts. But so far nobody's even been prosecuted.
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  Speaker 7: So Chris, there's a couple of things I can say
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  Speaker 7: to that. So we do know that New Southlales police
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  Speaker 7: over the weekend did take some action in real time
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  Speaker 7: at the protests, and that's a point I do want
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  Speaker 7: to make that our state territory colleagues can utilize this
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  Speaker 7: legislation just as we can, and so there will be
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  Speaker 7: circumstances in real time at protests on the ground where
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  Speaker 7: our state and territory partners may take action. And as
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  Speaker 7: I said, we have seen this play out in New
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  Speaker 7: South Wales and I know that there are ongoing investigations
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  Speaker 7: in relation to those actions. And I do believe that
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  Speaker 7: a number of flags were seized in that protest on
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  Speaker 7: the weekend, and I am very confident that based on
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  Speaker 7: the material that I myself have reviewed and the referrals
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  Speaker 7: that we have received from our partners who were on
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  Speaker 7: the ground in Melbourne over the weekend, that I am
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  Speaker 7: confident that we will have matters to put before the
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  Speaker 7: court as a result of our investigations into this recent activity.
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  Speaker 2: Well, let's hope so, because from the common man's point
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  Speaker 2: of view, what we're seeing here is a clear breaking
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  Speaker 2: of the law as it was intended when it was
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  Speaker 2: past Parliament. Flying of these symbols of hate is supposed
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  Speaker 2: to be a criminal offense, and it sounds to me
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  Speaker 2: like the AFP and other police listening to lawyers and
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  Speaker 2: bureaucrats at the DPP and talking about thresholds and what
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  Speaker 2: might meet the test when it gets to court.
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  Speaker 1: Surely, on a prima.
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  Speaker 2: Facie case flying these flags, we need to see people
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  Speaker 2: arrested and charged. And if there isn't enough evidence, well
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  Speaker 2: then let's see that through the court process, because if
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  Speaker 2: flying the flag isn't enough, then obviously our politicians need
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  Speaker 2: to change the legislation.
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  Speaker 7: So certainly, Chris, as I said, based on the material
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  Speaker 7: that I have reviewed over the last few days, I
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  Speaker 7: do believe that we will have matters to put before
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  Speaker 7: the court. As I said, we have had a number
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  Speaker 7: of investigations since the legislation came into effect, and I
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  Speaker 7: can say, you know, I've personally reviewed those matters and
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  Speaker 7: they did not meet what we would say. We obviously
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  Speaker 7: have to satisfy the prosecution policy before we put a
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  Speaker 7: matter to CDPP for prosecution, that the matters that have
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  Speaker 7: come to our attention until now have not met the
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  Speaker 7: threshold for reasonable prospects of a successful prosecution. However, as
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  Speaker 7: I said, based on what I've reviewed in the last
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  Speaker 7: few days, we will. I am confident we will have
• 21:12
  Speaker 7: matters to.
• 21:13
  Speaker 5: Put before the court. We just need to work.
• 21:15
  Speaker 7: Through and we have some very experienced investigators working on
• 21:19
  Speaker 7: these matters, some of my best terrorist investigation terrorism investigators
• 21:24
  Speaker 7: who are now solely focused on this activity and working
• 21:29
  Speaker 7: through that at pace.
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: Just finally, then Deputy Commissioner, though, that's good to hear,
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: but as a law enforcement official, given us nearly a
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: year on now since October the seventh, isn't this part
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: of the problem. Wouldn't you see that early action to
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: stamp out this sort of hateful protest needs to be
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: taken to prevent it happening again. The fact that this
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: is taking so long, and it's so bureaucratic, it hasn't
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: provided the disincentive for others to actually adopt this sort
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: of hateful protest.
• 22:01
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I would say it's a collective law enforcement effort.
• 22:04
  Speaker 7: So we do, as I've said a number of times,
• 22:06
  Speaker 7: we do work very closely with state and territory police.
• 22:09
  Speaker 7: As you know, they have the primary role on the
• 22:12
  Speaker 7: ground at the protests for very good reasons, and we
• 22:15
  Speaker 7: do support them in that endeavor. And there are other
• 22:19
  Speaker 7: pieces of legislation that can also be utilized in some
• 22:22
  Speaker 7: of these scenarios as well. So there is a suite
• 22:25
  Speaker 7: of legislation that is available not just to us, but
• 22:27
  Speaker 7: to our partner agencies to ensure that you know, primarily
• 22:32
  Speaker 7: the focus obviously is on community safety, and as I've
• 22:36
  Speaker 7: said at the beginning of the interview, we do not
• 22:39
  Speaker 7: tolerate behavior that incites violence or hatred based on race
• 22:43
  Speaker 7: and religion, and that is why we have you know,
• 22:46
  Speaker 7: multiple investigations running with all of our investigative capabilities committed
• 22:52
  Speaker 7: to that.
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: Well, it seems to have been tolerated so far. That
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: is exactly the point.
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: But let's hope that this action is is successful through
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: the courts. Thanks so much for joining us, Deputy Commissioner,
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: Thank you, Chris charged them put them to the courts,
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: that the courts decide too much stuffing around. Let's get
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: back to this country's overbearing response to the COVID pandemic.
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: We still don't have a royal Commission, of course, despite
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: what we endured, including over the top rules enforced ruthlessly
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: by police around the country. As we showed you at
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: the time, people were rounded up and they were taken
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: out of parks and send away from beaches. People were
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: fined for fishing and arrested for daring to take to
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: the streets in protest as well. Mick Fuller, the new
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: South Wales Police Commissioner during COVID, has joined a panel
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: of six experts that was convened by the Sydney Morning
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: Herald and they were looking back at the COVID response.
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: He said some of the health orders often made little
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: sense and weren't always enforceable and pleased to say that.
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: Mick Fuller joins me now.
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: Thanks McK for talking to us, and congratulations too on
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: your own and looking back over those times and.
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: Talking about how difficult it was.
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: It must have been a bloody tough time to be
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: running a police force.
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, good evening, Chris. Good to be on.
• 24:12
  Speaker 9: It was a challenging time and I certainly understand that
• 24:16
  Speaker 9: the people in New South Wales were doing it much
• 24:17
  Speaker 9: harder than police were. But often you know, as a
• 24:21
  Speaker 9: police commissioner and the police officers who were enforcing it, Chris,
• 24:24
  Speaker 9: they didn't enjoy any part of it, but they felt
• 24:27
  Speaker 9: as they were a big part of a bigger mission
• 24:30
  Speaker 9: and I think they did their job exemplarily even though
• 24:33
  Speaker 9: it was such a challenging job to do at the time.
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: Well, there are famous pictures early on of police vehicles
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: in rush Cutters Bay, a very popular park near the
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: city center in Sydney, and people were sitting down there
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: taking up some sunshine and they had police in vehicles
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: drive around the park telling them to move on.
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: Shocking scenes. It must be terrible for the police to be.
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: Doing that, feeling like they're performing their duty, but really
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: behaving in that matter. I myself saw mounted police in
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: Centennial part going up to people sitting down a couple
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: of to say no, you can't sit down, You've.
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: Got to move on.
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: Looking back, surely you were asked to enforce ridiculous rules
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: and there should have been a little bit more assessment
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: of what was required at the time.
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 25:22
  Speaker 9: I think one thing the public probably don't understand is
• 25:25
  Speaker 9: that the contact tracing and the intelligence from health were
• 25:29
  Speaker 9: driving the health orders and police were often asked to
• 25:33
  Speaker 9: do the difficult job of trying to control the spread
• 25:37
  Speaker 9: of the disease, and that early in the piece, certainly
• 25:40
  Speaker 9: the first three to six months was about how do
• 25:43
  Speaker 9: we stop the spread of the disease, where we're going
• 25:45
  Speaker 9: to embrace her immunity. Everybody was waiting for a vaccine, Chris.
• 25:50
  Speaker 9: There was an entirely difficult time for the people in health.
• 25:54
  Speaker 9: Look and I think the first three to six months
• 25:56
  Speaker 9: I was certainly sympathetic health. We're trying desperately to not
• 26:00
  Speaker 9: allow the health system to fall over. Otherwise lots of
• 26:04
  Speaker 9: people would have lost their lives, not just those who
• 26:07
  Speaker 9: were sick with COVID, but those who were sick. I
• 26:11
  Speaker 9: think one of the greatest vulnerabilities that caused the issues
• 26:14
  Speaker 9: were supply chain into Australia. I think we saw it
• 26:18
  Speaker 9: as such a vulnerable thing. We know local manufacturing isn't strong,
• 26:24
  Speaker 9: so when we have these sort of global shocks, Chris,
• 26:27
  Speaker 9: it means that I think at times governments have to
• 26:30
  Speaker 9: make pretty difficult decisions some Dekrainian laws, but that is
• 26:35
  Speaker 9: about protecting the system itself. Now I would say to
• 26:38
  Speaker 9: you in the defense of health and government and police,
• 26:43
  Speaker 9: is that very few people.
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: Lost their lives.
• 26:46
  Speaker 9: But that debate around was it worth it, Chris, I
• 26:49
  Speaker 9: think that will go on for some time.
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: Well, I think there's no doubt in hindsight that it
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: was over the top and none necessary to some degree.
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: It's a matter of where you draw the line.
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: And a lot of people were arcing up again this
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: at the time, and I was certainly one of those.
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: But to be fair to you, you probably had the
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: majority of people who were very, very scared and saying
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: it fair enough, lock us down.
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: But people were ringing up and dobbing in their neighbors.
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: But the point is about how do we avoid going
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: too far in the future.
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: And as you say, the health bureaucrats and health officials
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: were sort of putting down one set of proposals. Were
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: the politicians not pushing back enough, were the police not
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: pushing back enough?
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: To you, was there enough accountability? How could we do
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: it better next time?
• 27:32
  Speaker 9: I think the lesson learned is key, and I think
• 27:36
  Speaker 9: one of the greatest challenges was when does the economics
• 27:40
  Speaker 9: cross with the health outcomes.
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: Of the people in New South Wales.
• 27:43
  Speaker 9: And I think that probably happened too late in hindsight,
• 27:48
  Speaker 9: in saying that, I thought the premiere at the time
• 27:51
  Speaker 9: was extremely strong, extremely over her brief and really came
• 27:57
  Speaker 9: on every day to share the res even if that
• 28:01
  Speaker 9: wasn't well accepted. But I think, Chris, if we had
• 28:04
  Speaker 9: a stronger supply chain, if we had better local manufacturing,
• 28:08
  Speaker 9: if we had better stockpiling of the things that we
• 28:11
  Speaker 9: need in a pandemic or in an emergency, or if
• 28:15
  Speaker 9: there is future global crisis, then I would imagine that
• 28:18
  Speaker 9: we wouldn't need to go to such lengths in terms
• 28:21
  Speaker 9: of restricting people's movements. So I think there are definitely
• 28:25
  Speaker 9: lessons learned. But unfortunately, I would say to you that
• 28:29
  Speaker 9: stockpiling the things that we need, whether it's health wise
• 28:32
  Speaker 9: or whether it's energy wise, local manufacturing hasn't changed. We
• 28:36
  Speaker 9: haven't improved that, and our supply chains haven't changed them
• 28:41
  Speaker 9: measurably either, Chris. So if there is another global shock,
• 28:45
  Speaker 9: then those who are in leadership will have to make
• 28:48
  Speaker 9: difficult decisions about what restrictions they put in place, and
• 28:51
  Speaker 9: there's no guarantee the next pandemic will be in one
• 28:53
  Speaker 9: hundred years time.
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: Either no, it could be next year. Heaven help us.
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us, Mick.
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: I appreciate it full of the former commissioner of the
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: New South Wales Police Force. Look, I have a lot
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: of sympathy for the police because they were asked to
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: enforce some frankly ridiculous rules at times. Some of the rules,
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: of course were important, but the police had to enforce
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: them and we've got to do it better next time.
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: That's what it's all about. And I'm glad Mick Fuller's
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: contributing to that debate. Now coming up after the break
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: Susio brien Stephen Senatiempo joined me. The a Triple Cee
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: is getting more money now of crackdown on the supermarket giants,
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: plus the Victorian oppositionally the John Pasuito.
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: He's under more Prussia.
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: Now to jump ship, let's catch up now with Suzy
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: O'Brien from the Herald's Son and Radio Tita will see
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: breakfast o. Stephen Senator Empa. He joined us from Canberra
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: Susie is in Melbourne. Great to talk to you both again.
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: That loved your city on the weekend, Susie, even if
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: the game wasn't a cracker ge.
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: What an event and what a weekend we had in Melbourne.
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: Now I got to talk to you about the a
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: triple see and the supermarkets. We all know that they're
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: taking this le legal action about you know, the tricky
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: discounting by Coles and Woolies allegedly, and I'm all for,
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: you know, making sure we keep an eye on Coals
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: and Woolies and make sure they don't rip us off.
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: But Susie, with the federal government giving them more money
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: to do more of this, aren't they just trying to
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: shift the buck for the cost of living crisis to
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: the supermarkets, make them the bad guys so that nobody
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: pays attentions to what labor have done with electricity prices
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: and interest rates and all the rest of it.
• 30:28
  Speaker 10: Well, when it comes to these price gouging by the supermarkets,
• 30:32
  Speaker 10: I think both governments, the existing government and the previous
• 30:35
  Speaker 10: one have been caught asleep at the wheel. Even now
• 30:38
  Speaker 10: you know they're saying they're going to give the a troop,
• 30:41
  Speaker 10: will see more money. Well that's probably welcome, but you
• 30:45
  Speaker 10: know what's OURBOE going to do. Where we're paying six
• 30:49
  Speaker 10: dollars for tim jams and being told.
• 30:51
  Speaker 5: That this is a discount, and.
• 30:53
  Speaker 10: He's holding hearings later this year they're talking about, you know,
• 30:56
  Speaker 10: taking them to planning tribunals.
• 30:58
  Speaker 5: That's just a bit of a slap over the risk.
• 31:00
  Speaker 10: I still don't understand why we can't be talking much
• 31:02
  Speaker 10: more strongly about divestiture power, about.
• 31:06
  Speaker 5: Breaking up this duopoly.
• 31:07
  Speaker 10: Actually at the core of the problem. You know, in
• 31:12
  Speaker 10: the middle of a cost of living crisis, we shouldn't
• 31:14
  Speaker 10: be paying six dollars for tim tams and more needs
• 31:16
  Speaker 10: to be done to fix that.
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think the big stick is warranted, there's no
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: doubt about that.
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: But Stephen, they're looking to distract, aren't they. I mean,
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: the a Triple C should be doing this.
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: We all know we shouldn't be screwed over by any
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: big retailers. But the federal government's just looking for a
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: full guy here.
• 31:34
  Speaker 11: Well, that's right, they're looking for escape goat. But we
• 31:36
  Speaker 11: need to be fair income here. I mean, when we
• 31:37
  Speaker 11: talk price gouging, the supermarkets aren't gouging the consumer. I
• 31:41
  Speaker 11: mean they're going an overall profit market about three percent.
• 31:44
  Speaker 11: When you say the price of tim TAM's are six dollars,
• 31:46
  Speaker 11: it's because the price of Coco's gone through the roof.
• 31:48
  Speaker 11: I mean, the cost of producing a Tim tam is
• 31:51
  Speaker 11: a lot more than it was a year ago. But
• 31:53
  Speaker 11: what the government's trying to do here is pretend that
• 31:55
  Speaker 11: it's being tough by taking on the big bullies, the
• 31:57
  Speaker 11: two supermarkets, rather than actually dressing the underlying cost of
• 32:01
  Speaker 11: living crisis, which is inflation driven by government spending.
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: But if you want to come down on.
• 32:06
  Speaker 11: The supermarkets, you've got to look at their predatory pricing
• 32:09
  Speaker 11: and their practices when it comes to their suppliers. And
• 32:12
  Speaker 11: if they do that, it means the price is going
• 32:14
  Speaker 11: to go up for the consumer, not down. So let's
• 32:16
  Speaker 11: be fair thinking about this.
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: No, I think you're right, and their profit margins are
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: not huge. And the best way you could lower supermarket
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: prices is to reduce electricity prices like the government said
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: they would, instead of forcing them up. And I had
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: a bit to say about nuclear energy at the start
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: of the show.
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: That's going to be a big issue as well.
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: Let me go to Victorian politics because I'm ken to
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: get your takes, Susie. This is extraordinary to watch around
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: the rest of the country where John Bizuto, the opposition leader,
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: in a defamation case with one of his own former MPs.
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: He just seems to be weak. He's never seemed.
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: To have done anything and stood up for enything, and
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: he's getting more attention now through some rubbish internal fighting
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: through the courts than anything substantial. Look, he is bailed
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: up today by Simon Love about how grim things are
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: looking for him within the party, the.
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: Support of colleagues, Yes, all colleagues. I am very sure.
• 33:12
  Speaker 6: I speak to my colleagues regularly and I've got no
• 33:14
  Speaker 6: concerns in that area, any concern none expressed to me.
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: Yes, we need to we need.
• 33:20
  Speaker 6: To remove this rotten, old, tired, corrupt labor government.
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: He's not even concerned. Concerned, Susie. He'll still be there
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: at the next.
• 33:28
  Speaker 10: Election, Absolutely no chance. I mean if there's another ballot held,
• 33:35
  Speaker 10: which is very very likely, and every day this trial
• 33:38
  Speaker 10: goes on is looking more and more likely. It'll be
• 33:40
  Speaker 10: the fourth in three years. And Pursuito has never really
• 33:44
  Speaker 10: taken hold. I mean, they're doing much better in the
• 33:47
  Speaker 10: polls and it looks like they might even win.
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: The next election.
• 33:51
  Speaker 10: But he has never really stamped his authority on that job.
• 33:54
  Speaker 10: And he's got the person who beat he beat by
• 33:58
  Speaker 10: just one vote in the last ballot, Brad Baton, snapping
• 34:01
  Speaker 10: at his heels, along with James Newberry Sam Groth. And
• 34:05
  Speaker 10: the problem with this particular court case is that when
• 34:08
  Speaker 10: we're talking about all this labor in Liberal internal machinations,
• 34:12
  Speaker 10: we're not talking about the problems with the Labor Party,
• 34:15
  Speaker 10: and we're not talking about the ideas that the opposition.
• 34:18
  Speaker 5: Have got for the next election.
• 34:20
  Speaker 10: It's just a side show and the Liberals need to
• 34:23
  Speaker 10: put it to bed.
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: It's an absolutely disgraceful side Joe Susie I.
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: Couldn't agree more on Stephen.
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: When you look from the outside, we've had some pretty
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: hopeless opposition shows around the states and particularly in state politics,
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: but this has got to be the worst ever.
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: And when you look at what sort.
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: Of a state labor government legacy, they're up again.
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: So all they need is a decent leader, a bit of.
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: Focus, and you think they'd be able to get back
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: in the government.
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: But this is the Liberal Party everywhere.
• 34:48
  Speaker 11: Chris, I mean, I was in Melbourne last week and
• 34:50
  Speaker 11: the place was a ghost town on a Tuesday night.
• 34:53
  Speaker 11: And this bloke should be talking about that rather than
• 34:55
  Speaker 11: fighting amongst fighting with people on his own side. But
• 34:58
  Speaker 11: I mean, if you look at the Liberal Party right
• 34:59
  Speaker 11: across the country except federally, they're more interested in fighting
• 35:03
  Speaker 11: internally than they are taking on the government. Now, he
• 35:05
  Speaker 11: should be out there saying, hey, we need to bring
• 35:07
  Speaker 11: Melbourne back to what it was once upon a time.
• 35:09
  Speaker 11: We need to get the state's finances back on track,
• 35:12
  Speaker 11: we need to get Victoria moving again. He talks about
• 35:15
  Speaker 11: a tiled, old, stale labor government, but what's he doing
• 35:17
  Speaker 11: about it? He's fighting his own side, but the question
• 35:21
  Speaker 11: is who do you well?
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: I facing with?
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: It is almost just it is unspeakable to think that
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: that's what he needs to do as a politician. Yet
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: he's fighting in court against his own people every day instead.
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: It's it's the worst demonstration of opposition political opposition I've
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: ever seen. The one exception to your your state liberal
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: rules at the moment, of course, would be the LMP
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: in Queensland who looked like they should be able to
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: win government late this month.
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: We shall see, And of course they're in government in Tazzy.
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us guys right out of time today.
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: I appreciate it. Cuesy O'Brien and Stephen Center Tiempo. They
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: we're going to get to a break. On the other side,
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: we're going to talk more about terrorism support in our
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: midst in this country and also those disturbing scenes in
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: Sydney as crowds gathered to mourn the death of the
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: terrorist leader Hassan Nasrala. Let's get back to the open
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: support for Hesbelara protests in Sydney and Melbourne on the weekend.
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: There were no arrests, but the AFP has told me
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: earlier that charges won't be far off.
• 36:25
  Speaker 7: We obviously have to satisfy the prosecution policy before we
• 36:30
  Speaker 7: put a matter to CDPP for prosecution. That the matters
• 36:33
  Speaker 7: that have come to our attention until now have not
• 36:37
  Speaker 7: met the threshold for reasonable prospects of a successful prosecution. However,
• 36:43
  Speaker 7: as I said, based on what I've reviewed in the
• 36:46
  Speaker 7: last few days, we will. I am confident we will
• 36:50
  Speaker 7: have matters to put before the court.
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: Let's go to Alex Richard from the Executive Council of
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: Australian Jury.
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: Good to talk to you again.
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: Alex, do you buy this stuff we're getting from the police,
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: that all this bureaucratic nonsense about the thresholds not being passed.
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: Why don't they just charge people who are illegally waiving
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: these flags and put it to the courts.
• 37:10
  Speaker 12: I absolutely should look. I have great sympathy for the
• 37:13
  Speaker 12: police and for the Deputy Commissioner. I have no doubt
• 37:16
  Speaker 12: they don't want this element on our streets. They just
• 37:19
  Speaker 12: want to keep society safe. The police have been horribly
• 37:22
  Speaker 12: vilified and attacked by these protesters and by the Australian Greens.
• 37:26
  Speaker 12: But this whole notion about context, the context in which
• 37:29
  Speaker 12: these flags and the ports of Ustralia brandished, to me,
• 37:33
  Speaker 12: it sounds nonsensical. I mean, let's think about what HESBLA is.
• 37:36
  Speaker 12: Hesbala has been designated by our government as a terrorist
• 37:40
  Speaker 12: organization on the advice of our security agencies because it
• 37:44
  Speaker 12: carries out terrorism around the world, because it deliberately kills
• 37:47
  Speaker 12: civilians in tourist buses and community centers and in embassies.
• 37:51
  Speaker 12: This is what it does. So in what context is
• 37:53
  Speaker 12: it okay to stand on the streets of our cities
• 37:56
  Speaker 12: with the portrait of its leader, with its flag and
• 37:59
  Speaker 12: to things like death to America, death to Israel, and
• 38:02
  Speaker 12: I pledge my support to you Asralla. In what context
• 38:05
  Speaker 12: is that? Okay, We've been talking for nearly a year, Chris,
• 38:08
  Speaker 12: about social cohesion in this country and if people are
• 38:11
  Speaker 12: allowed to do this sort of thing, the whole notion
• 38:13
  Speaker 12: is a sham.
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  Speaker 1: I agree hoheartedly.
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  Speaker 2: It's just unthinkable that that's not illegal, and they should
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: be before the courts already.
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: Then leads to me talking about a year. Of course,
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: next Monday.
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: Will be the one year anniversary of the October seventh atrocities.
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: Obviously Jewish groups will want to commemorate the date in
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: some way, shape or form.
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: Are you worried about.
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: What sort of backlash there could be from anti Israeli groups.
• 38:39
  Speaker 12: Well, we've already seen advertised rallies by the pro Palestinian
• 38:44
  Speaker 12: segments of our society for October seven. Now, let's bear
• 38:47
  Speaker 12: in mind that on October seven, that was the day
• 38:50
  Speaker 12: of those mass atrocities, of the abduction, rape, and the
• 38:53
  Speaker 12: slaughter of twelve hundred people. We have a hostage crisis
• 38:56
  Speaker 12: which persist to this day, with over one hundred people
• 38:59
  Speaker 12: held in captivity in Gaza. The Israeli response the natural
• 39:03
  Speaker 12: and reasonable response only began days after that. So the
• 39:07
  Speaker 12: fact that they're rallying on October seven, we're fearful that
• 39:10
  Speaker 12: we're going to see the same sort of scenes that
• 39:11
  Speaker 12: we saw on October seven itself, where people were driving
• 39:14
  Speaker 12: through the streets flying flags, clerics from the streets talking
• 39:18
  Speaker 12: about this as a day of great pride and celebration
• 39:20
  Speaker 12: and joy. These people have had our streets, have taken
• 39:24
  Speaker 12: them over for every week in the past year. They've
• 39:28
  Speaker 12: bled the coffers of our state government. They've diverted police resources,
• 39:32
  Speaker 12: They've brought anti semitism, fascism, and racism to our streets.
• 39:36
  Speaker 12: I asked these people show a sceric of decency. Enough
• 39:39
  Speaker 12: is enough, at least on October seven, Let the decent
• 39:42
  Speaker 12: people of this country come together to mourn.
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: Exactly, stay home, Let people mourn.
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: Thanks so much for joining us again, Alex, I appreciate it,
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: and collexs rich In there from the Executive Council of
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: Australian Jury. Now I'm going to head to the US
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: in just a moment, where Donald Trump's coppying plenty of
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: flat for these comments about Kamala Harris.
• 40:01
  Speaker 13: Joe Biden became mentally impaired. Kamala was born that way.
• 40:09
  Speaker 13: She was born a and if you think about it,
• 40:12
  Speaker 13: only a mentally disabled person could have allowed this to
• 40:17
  Speaker 13: happen to our country.
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: I asked the Australians Washington correspondent Adam Crichton about that barb.
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: Well, look, I think it was.
• 40:25
  Speaker 4: A funny line, and you've got to see it in
• 40:26
  Speaker 4: the context of Trump's rally style. I mean, he does
• 40:29
  Speaker 4: say things like this quite often. Certainly it's not considered
• 40:33
  Speaker 4: standard political rhetoric, but you know, Trump.
• 40:35
  Speaker 14: Is an unusual politician.
• 40:37
  Speaker 4: I mean, I think it's also important to see that
• 40:38
  Speaker 4: remark in the context of his anger about those quite
• 40:42
  Speaker 4: shocking immigration figures that were released I think just a
• 40:45
  Speaker 4: day earlier before he did that rally, showing that there
• 40:48
  Speaker 4: were more than thirteen thousand murderers at large in the
• 40:51
  Speaker 4: United States because of the huge influx in illegal immigration
• 40:55
  Speaker 4: into the US during the Biden administration, something like six
• 40:58
  Speaker 4: hundred and twenty five people at large with various sorts
• 41:02
  Speaker 4: of criminal records. So that was the context of that
• 41:05
  Speaker 4: claim that that she's mentally impaired. I mean, I don't
• 41:08
  Speaker 4: think anyone really takes it seriously. Some people might get offended,
• 41:11
  Speaker 4: but I think it's just in the nature of Trump
• 41:13
  Speaker 4: as a politician.
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's what we come to expect from Donald Trump.
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: Now, I would never call Kamala Harris mentally disabled, but
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: she is deeply unimpressive and she lacks a substance that's
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: so obvious. Have a look at this exchange where she
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: shares with her audience in the interview what a reaction
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: was when she found out that Joe Biden wasn't going
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: to run. In other words, she was likely to be
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: the candidate for the Democrats.
• 41:39
  Speaker 15: Look from the time that the President called me and
• 41:41
  Speaker 15: told me he wasn't running, I mean, it just like
• 41:44
  Speaker 15: everything was in speedy, speedy motion, and I was not
• 41:48
  Speaker 15: sleeping so well. And that one morning, I just I mean,
• 41:53
  Speaker 15: I had I don't know, a few hours sleep, and
• 41:55
  Speaker 15: I you know.
• 41:56
  Speaker 5: I'd like to sleep.
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: I just got it.
• 41:58
  Speaker 15: So I just went out and got a pork roast
• 42:00
  Speaker 15: and started marinate.
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: To your happy place, and my family having a.
• 42:04
  Speaker 15: Mere town, so they were very happy about the whole situation.
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: But I just got up and started a sleep.
• 42:09
  Speaker 15: I just got up and started cooking.
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: I mean, good lord, everything happens in speedy speedy motion,
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: and then we get the laughing and the cackling again.
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: But in the same interview, haven't listened to this answer
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: from the person who wants to be president, the current
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: sitting vice president, her plans for the economy?
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: Have a listen.
• 42:29
  Speaker 15: So, look, I grew up, so my sister and I
• 42:33
  Speaker 15: were raised by our mother. We lived for a long
• 42:35
  Speaker 15: time in an apartment on top of a childcare center.
• 42:41
  Speaker 15: That childcare center was actually owned by a woman who
• 42:45
  Speaker 15: lived two doors down from us, missus Shelton, who was,
• 42:49
  Speaker 15: by all of our accounts and feelings, our second mother.
• 42:52
  Speaker 15: She helped raise us, and so she was a small
• 42:56
  Speaker 15: business owner.
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: Adam, you're an economist, this is your bread and butter.
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: How should we feel about a presidential candidate his only
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: economic plan is to tell us that when she was
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: a kid, she knew someone who owned a small business.
• 43:10
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 43:10
  Speaker 4: Look, it's really extraordinary stuff. In fact, I think the
• 43:13
  Speaker 4: question that she was asked just before she gave that
• 43:15
  Speaker 4: word salad about her childhood, about.
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: You know, once again giving the middle.
• 43:19
  Speaker 4: Class upbringing line, was what specifically would you do for
• 43:22
  Speaker 4: the economy, And she did not answer the question at all.
• 43:25
  Speaker 4: So I think, you know, I think even ordinary voters
• 43:28
  Speaker 4: now are starting to notice that she simply cannot answer
• 43:31
  Speaker 4: that question at all.
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: And the difficulty is.
• 43:34
  Speaker 4: The fact that she's been vice president for four years
• 43:36
  Speaker 4: in an administration whose economic record, frankly, has been pretty
• 43:40
  Speaker 4: a visible. I mean, sure, the inflation rate might have
• 43:42
  Speaker 4: come down to two and a half percent, the prices
• 43:44
  Speaker 4: are still going up and there's still twenty five percent
• 43:46
  Speaker 4: higher than they were four years ago. So it's still
• 43:49
  Speaker 4: very much a sow point for ordinary Americans. They're handling
• 43:53
  Speaker 4: of the economy. But you know, more to your broader point.
• 43:55
  Speaker 4: You know, she's been doing a few more interviews recently,
• 43:58
  Speaker 4: a few Softball Ponds casts, and frankly, I've been shocked
• 44:02
  Speaker 4: at how bad she is really. I mean, it's so
• 44:04
  Speaker 4: clear that she's just been told to say these certain
• 44:07
  Speaker 4: phrases and lines over and over again. And sure, you know,
• 44:10
  Speaker 4: that might be expected of a junior state politician somewhere
• 44:15
  Speaker 4: in the United States, but you know, not someone who
• 44:17
  Speaker 4: aspires to the highest office in the land. They should
• 44:19
  Speaker 4: be articulate, they should be able to think on their feet,
• 44:22
  Speaker 4: and she just cannot.
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they should have some ideas as well. It's deeply worrying,
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: it's frightening. In fact, tomorrow we get the debate between
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: the vice presidential candidates JD.
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: Vans and Tim Walls. Will this will be interesting? Of course?
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: Will it be consequential? Will it swing votes?
• 44:39
  Speaker 4: Well, Look, historically these vice presidential debates don't really make
• 44:43
  Speaker 4: much difference, but I think this one probably will more
• 44:46
  Speaker 4: than usual because it is actually the last debate of
• 44:48
  Speaker 4: the presidential campaign season.
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: Trump and Harris have.
• 44:52
  Speaker 4: Said that they're not going to do anymore, so this is.
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: The last one.
• 44:55
  Speaker 4: Look, it's going to be an interesting debate to watch.
• 44:57
  Speaker 4: Two very different characters. Of course, the other age you know,
• 45:00
  Speaker 4: one is sixty, Tim Wells is sixty.
• 45:02
  Speaker 7: JD.
• 45:02
  Speaker 4: Vance is only forty. Their backgrounds are very very different,
• 45:06
  Speaker 4: I mean, interestingly, they're both trying to appeal the same
• 45:08
  Speaker 4: sort of sorts of min American voters. So the Wols
• 45:13
  Speaker 4: team has been briefing out that Tim is nervous. You know,
• 45:16
  Speaker 4: I think that they're trying to lower expectations. And I
• 45:18
  Speaker 4: can understand why they want to do that, because Advance
• 45:21
  Speaker 4: is a very good debater. He's very sharp, very smart,
• 45:24
  Speaker 4: and apparently he's relishing this ninety minute contest which will
• 45:28
  Speaker 4: be held in New York, as you say, tomorrow.
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: So look, well you have to wait and see.
• 45:32
  Speaker 4: But I mean, if I was going to make a prediction,
• 45:33
  Speaker 4: I think the advance will thrash.
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: Wells will see. May the best win, the best man win.
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: One of them is my age. Apparently one of those
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: about your age, so we'll see. Adam, thanks for joining us.
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: That's right, Thanks, thanks, Chris.
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Adam looks all right for around sixty, doesn't he.
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: Up Next Tim Laire on his solution to the climate mobs,
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: stopping them from wrecking more high highly valued art. Okay,
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: let's catch up the Daily Telegraphs Tim Blair joining us
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: live from Victoria's Wimer.
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: Are good to talk to you, Tim.
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: I love your comment that your column focusing on these
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: idiot climate protesters who go around to some of the
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: greatest works of art in the world and throw soup
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: and paint and whatever at that. Here's the latest latest
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: example that you highlighted. I worry people in prison, no,
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: I mean the brainlessness of it, the vandalism.
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: But Tim, you found that in the UK is actually
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: doing the right thing that we could emulate here.
• 46:54
  Speaker 14: Absolutely in Australia. Chris as you know, as Sky's viewers
• 46:57
  Speaker 14: will know. Whenever there's blockades or any kind of climate
• 47:01
  Speaker 14: activity that blocks the roads or blocks the streets. He
• 47:04
  Speaker 14: hinders people going about their lawful business. And there's arrests, well,
• 47:08
  Speaker 14: very little follows those arrests. People get, you know, tiny fines,
• 47:11
  Speaker 14: perhaps convictions aren't recorded, which means that they can still travel.
• 47:15
  Speaker 14: They're they're not on any kind of watchlist as criminals,
• 47:19
  Speaker 14: and basically nothing happens. And it's presented almost as though
• 47:23
  Speaker 14: as though, well, what can we possibly do? You know,
• 47:26
  Speaker 14: our hands are tied, well, not as tired as that
• 47:29
  Speaker 14: follows hands worth. In England they've gone past this. A
• 47:33
  Speaker 14: very purposeful and sensible judge going by the name of
• 47:37
  Speaker 14: Christopher here, God bless him. He's sending them to jail
• 47:40
  Speaker 14: for significant periods of time, two years, three years in
• 47:44
  Speaker 14: one case, the leader of a group called Extinction Rebellion
• 47:47
  Speaker 14: he copped a five year stretch, which is terrific. And
• 47:51
  Speaker 14: you've got to do this sort of thing if you
• 47:53
  Speaker 14: want to stop it. As we've said in Australia, if
• 47:54
  Speaker 14: you don't stop it, they keep doing it.
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, the poems used to send their convicts to Australia.
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: Now they need to send their judges out here.
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: We needed Jones, Judge Christopher here. Start locking these people up.
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: It's the only way to stop them doing it. I
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: want to show you a clip by showed at the
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: top of the program. I can't believe some of the
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: ABC's coverage of Israeli Palestinian Lebanon hes Blar issues.
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: Have a look at this as.
• 48:19
  Speaker 3: A listed terrorist organization. That's not supposed to have happened,
• 48:23
  Speaker 3: and it might not have happened had it not been
• 48:26
  Speaker 3: for the latest onslaught of bombing by Israel in Lebanon
• 48:30
  Speaker 3: as it took out Hesbella's leadership.
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: That's just extraordinary. Tim.
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: If only Israel would stop defending itself against Islam as terrorists,
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: then we wouldn't see terrorists flags waved in Australia.
• 48:44
  Speaker 14: It would be a wonderful thing if we could somehow
• 48:49
  Speaker 14: place the current ABC back where the previous ABC was
• 48:53
  Speaker 14: during the late nineteen thirties and early nineteen and to
• 48:55
  Speaker 14: the mid nineteen forties, to see how they would have
• 48:58
  Speaker 14: applied the values of today to the coffee called World
• 49:02
  Speaker 14: War two. You know, if they were talking about well,
• 49:04
  Speaker 14: you know, sure there's been the blitz, But does Britain
• 49:06
  Speaker 14: really have to retaliate so badly? You've been dressed and
• 49:09
  Speaker 14: is a national treasure and really, you know, pushing your
• 49:12
  Speaker 14: luck England. This is the sort of attitude they're doing.
• 49:15
  Speaker 14: They're literally taking the worst people's side here. They're taking
• 49:18
  Speaker 14: their evil doer sides and complaining about retaliation to protect
• 49:23
  Speaker 14: a nation.
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: They's just extraordinary. It's sickening. In fact, all happening on
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: our coin. Just briefly, you keep a close eye on
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: electric vehicle matters. Who's had a few fires starting lately? Again,
• 49:34
  Speaker 2: they are dangerous parked in your garage.
• 49:37
  Speaker 14: This one's are represent This is a car that was
• 49:40
  Speaker 14: that's water beneath a Tesla, saltwater from floods apparently. And yeah,
• 49:46
  Speaker 14: what happens when batteries in electric cars get what they
• 49:50
  Speaker 14: call corrupted or compromise, when there are cracks in the
• 49:53
  Speaker 14: in the seal battery containers and they get exposed to
• 49:56
  Speaker 14: salt water. Well, this is a reaction. And it's quite
• 49:59
  Speaker 14: a few houses have gone lately in the flooded areas
• 50:01
  Speaker 14: of the United States.
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: And yeah, it's a worry sort of.
• 50:04
  Speaker 14: Sort of thing that doesn't happen.
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah you know, yeah, yeah, We're to keep looking out
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: for it.
• 50:08
  Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us, Tim, appreciate it. Catch up with
• 50:10
  Speaker 2: you later in the week. That's all the time we've
• 50:12
  Speaker 2: got for you tonight.
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: I'll be back tomorrow night. Here's Peter Kredlin.