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Patriots Unfiltered 8/19: Direct from Patriots-Eagles Joint Practice · Patriots Unfiltered

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  Speaker 3: The Worlds of Pigeon podcasts live from joint practices with
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  Speaker 3: We are live at Gillette Stadium for the joint practice
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  Speaker 3: to joint practice. We're here, all right. It is Paul Parrella, myself,
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  Speaker 3: Fred Kirsch, Mike du So, Evan Lazar. We'll be here
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  Speaker 3: for most of the joint practice, at least what we
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  Speaker 3: can film by the rules. And this is exciting because
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  Speaker 3: it's not just one day. It's two days with the
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  Speaker 3: Philadelphia Eagles. And we all remember the last time the
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  Speaker 3: Eagles were here for you.
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  Speaker 2: We're gonna talk about that.
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  Speaker 4: I can't forget it. It was traumatic for me anyway.
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  Speaker 2: It's traumatic for them.
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  Speaker 3: I still have Philadelphia Trauma SD, whatever that stands for.
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  Speaker 3: But as we do always when with a joint practice,
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  Speaker 3: we'll go along the table and you know, what are
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  Speaker 3: you looking for today?
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  Speaker 2: What do you hope to see?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I'll jump off. I think for me, it's all
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  Speaker 5: about kind of what you talked about.
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  Speaker 2: Friend.
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  Speaker 5: In the last practice, their interior defensive line dominated that
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  Speaker 5: whole practice, and you know, I've had some questions about
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  Speaker 5: the interior of the Patriots offensive line, especially with Jared
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  Speaker 5: Wilson making the move to center, being able to handle
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  Speaker 5: big guys like Jordan Davis and Jalen Carter, And I
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  Speaker 5: think today that's that's the key matchup to me watching
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  Speaker 5: the interior trio with the Patriots offensive line being able
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  Speaker 5: to maintain the pocket, let Drake may step up.
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  Speaker 2: And make throws.
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  Speaker 5: I think, you know, if they're able to do that,
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  Speaker 5: I think Patriots have the weapons in the quarterback to
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  Speaker 5: make plays, but it all starts up front, and this
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  Speaker 5: is as big of a challenge as I think you
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  Speaker 5: can get.
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  Speaker 3: I'm excited to see how well at least this time
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  Speaker 3: we have one of their guys. We've got Milton Williams.
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  Speaker 3: Two years ago, he was on the Eagles and he
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  Speaker 3: was part of the day, that part of the group
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  Speaker 3: that ruined the day for the Patriots.
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  Speaker 2: Evan, what are you looking.
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  Speaker 1: At similar things?
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  Speaker 6: I think you can make the argument that the Eagles
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  Speaker 6: have the best line of scrimmage play of any team
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  Speaker 6: in football, both sides the line of scrimmage, and I
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  Speaker 6: think that's where it starts today, whether it's blocking Jalen
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  Speaker 6: Carter and Jordan Davis, or it's getting to the quarterback.
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  Speaker 6: And I think, you know, last week it clew a
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  Speaker 6: little bit under the radar. But Mike Rabil gave a
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  Speaker 6: quote to Bob Soci in the pregame show on the
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  Speaker 6: Sports Up saying defense didn't play well against the Colts
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  Speaker 6: in that joint practice. It didn't affect the quarterback enough,
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  Speaker 6: put enough pressure on the quarterback. But now you have
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  Speaker 6: Jordan Mylatta and Lane John here to you know, keep
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  Speaker 6: you away from the quarterback. So can that pass rush
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  Speaker 6: get home? The Patriots pass rush against maybe the best
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  Speaker 6: offensive line in the league.
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  Speaker 7: Paul, Yeah, I mean I think that they hit on
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  Speaker 7: the number one thing to keep an eye on, and
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  Speaker 7: Vrabel even said it in this press conference that just
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  Speaker 7: ended a short time ago, about the physicality that Philadelphia brings.
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  Speaker 7: But I'll look at a couple of different things, just
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  Speaker 7: to sort of get on a different topic. Aj Brown
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  Speaker 7: obviously is going to have a lot of attention today,
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  Speaker 7: you know, coming from Philadelphia. But it's all those weapons
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  Speaker 7: might really just touched on. They should have the weapons
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  Speaker 7: to make some plays well. The Eagles are also pretty
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  Speaker 7: tough in the secondary with guys like Quinon Mitchell and
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  Speaker 7: Koopa Dejene.
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  Speaker 2: So I hope everybody's playing.
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  Speaker 7: I'm not as up to speed, you know, I've gotten
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  Speaker 7: the same kind of stuff happened last week when we
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  Speaker 7: talked about the colt. You never know who's going to
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  Speaker 7: be out there. I know Jonathan grantor won't be, which
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  Speaker 7: is unfortunate because that would have been a good measuring
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  Speaker 7: stick for Will Campbell. But that secondary can cause some
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  Speaker 7: problems for the Eagles too, So assuming that they get
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  Speaker 7: some time, can may use his new guys like Romeo Dobbs,
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  Speaker 7: AJ Brown against you know what I think is a
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  Speaker 7: pretty good secondary.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, personally, two days ago, the Patriots had what I
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  Speaker 3: thought was their best practice when it came to the offense.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, it was humming, So that kind of changed
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  Speaker 3: things for me. I'm with you, guys. I want to
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  Speaker 3: see the trenches. I want to see who owns that
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  Speaker 3: battle offense and defense. But I want to see if
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  Speaker 3: they can continue what they did a couple days ago
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  Speaker 3: with the efficiency of that offense. Now, of course, if
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  Speaker 3: they lose the trenches, forget it, They're not going to
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  Speaker 3: be able to run their offense. But I want to
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  Speaker 3: see if they could continue what I saw on Monday, because,
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  Speaker 3: like I said on Patriots Unfiltered yesterday, that was the
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  Speaker 3: best day of offense I've seen all summer.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, me too. They just really drake clicking consistency. I
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  Speaker 5: think that's the biggest word for me. They've had practices
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  Speaker 5: where you've seen flash moments and there's been good you
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  Speaker 5: know periods, But I think what's been missing has been
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  Speaker 5: the consistent practice where it's looks good from start to finish.
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  Speaker 5: It isn't a slow star art, uh, it isn't an
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  Speaker 5: end with an interception.
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  Speaker 4: Uh.
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  Speaker 5: And I think that's what you know to your point, Fred,
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  Speaker 5: we saw, but this is a you know, great stall around.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, this is a good team that's got talent
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  Speaker 5: at every position, that's what you know. I'm looking down
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  Speaker 5: their depth chart and it's like, you know, I'm excited
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  Speaker 5: to see the rookie McKay Lemon that they brought in
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  Speaker 5: in the first round, who you know, is a guy
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  Speaker 5: that's got to maybe make up some of the slack
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  Speaker 5: for a J. Brown not being there. DeVante Smith, I know,
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  Speaker 5: just returned. We'll see how much of him that we see.
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  Speaker 5: But you know, and pretty much is a tough day
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  Speaker 5: of because anywhere you look on the field, there's gonna
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  Speaker 5: be like, oh, look, you.
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  Speaker 2: Know there's a good matchup there. Everywhere it's a three
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  Speaker 2: ring circus.
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  Speaker 3: You really need, you know, multiple people to keep track
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  Speaker 3: of what's going on. Uh there's Robert Splane out there
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  Speaker 3: always always early, first one on, last one off.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: No, it's uh, no one, No one appreciates being on
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  Speaker 5: the field, I think more than Robert Spolene. I mean
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  Speaker 5: just it's every day all summer long. And you know
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  Speaker 5: today this is I mean really today and tomorrow. This
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  Speaker 5: is the peak of training camp, right like this is
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  Speaker 5: the the highlight of the summer as far as getting
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  Speaker 5: to watch these practices and you know, having a few
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  Speaker 5: weeks now under their belt, getting a little bit of
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  Speaker 5: a litmus test. That was the word of the day yesterday, right,
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  Speaker 5: litmus test is this illigious measuring stick.
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  Speaker 2: Some of that stuff I think is overblown.
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  Speaker 5: But at the same time, like we walked out of
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  Speaker 5: that Eagles practice two years ago and we're like, Wow,
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  Speaker 5: this is going to be a struggle this year.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think we're in.
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  Speaker 5: Danger of anything quite that bad, but it'd be great
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  Speaker 5: to see some of the weak points, especially you know,
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  Speaker 5: for me, interior offensive line. Seeing that come together with
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  Speaker 5: that new look, with those two new guys playing new
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  Speaker 5: positions in there, that to me is could really have
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  Speaker 5: a positive effect here as you get really into the
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  Speaker 5: last week of this and then you're onto Seattle.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, it's pretty clear that Vrabel likes to use those things.
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  Speaker 7: You know, we saw him do it a lot of
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  Speaker 7: times last year, you know, starting with that game in
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  Speaker 7: Buffalo on the national televised game. He played it up.
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  Speaker 7: He doesn't shy away from me. He wants to create challenges.
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  Speaker 7: I think that he's using that kind of stuff. Maybe
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  Speaker 7: he's even talking about what happened in the team two
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  Speaker 7: years ago with Philadelphia. How many times did he mention
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  Speaker 7: how the sustained success that the Eagles had over the
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  Speaker 7: last several years. I think he opened his press compensated
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  Speaker 7: by saying it was very intentional that they are playing
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  Speaker 7: these these two joint practices against this team. So I
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  Speaker 7: do think that that's something that Vrabel has been really
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  Speaker 7: you know, eyeing and impressing upon his players. We can
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  Speaker 7: sort of joke at a measuring stick. You know, it's
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  Speaker 7: still not real, but I think they're using it as
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  Speaker 7: a measuring stick.
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  Speaker 2: I think Mike said so.
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  Speaker 6: I don't think anybody would be totally shocked if in
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  Speaker 6: six months these two teams are playing in the Super Bowl.
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  Speaker 6: Like I think both teams have rosters that are built
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  Speaker 6: for that. And the Eagles have been there a couple
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  Speaker 6: of times this decade, and the Patriots were there last year.
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  Speaker 6: It's a really good team. But you know, Freddie talked
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  Speaker 6: about the offense the other day. I think a big
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  Speaker 6: part of why the offense has been successful lately is
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  Speaker 6: because they've had clean pockets and Drake May's had time
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  Speaker 6: to look down the field and push the ball down
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  Speaker 6: the field. And I think that's a big sort of
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  Speaker 6: context thing that you struggle with in these practices. How
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  Speaker 6: much of that is the improvement of the Patriots offensive
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  Speaker 6: line versus how much of that is what they're going
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  Speaker 6: against in these eternal practices. I thought they were pretty
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  Speaker 6: good against the Colts too, But this is a step
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  Speaker 6: up from the Colts.
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  Speaker 1: This is the Eagles bring.
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  Speaker 6: More talent on the defensive line than what the Colts
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  Speaker 6: are bringing here. So can they keep Drake May as
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  Speaker 6: clean as he was on Monday to go fifteen for
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  Speaker 6: seventeen with multiple downfield completions. If they can't, then it's
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  Speaker 6: not going to look that pretty. So we'll see.
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  Speaker 2: You mentioned the Colts.
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  Speaker 3: They played the Colts in the first preseason game last Thursday,
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  Speaker 3: and we know all the players who played in that game,
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  Speaker 3: and we know all the players who didn't play in
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  Speaker 3: that game, most of the starters. But of the players
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  Speaker 3: who played, will you be looking today to see if
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  Speaker 3: any of those players get more run today? In other words,
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  Speaker 3: did the coaching staff see something in a player on
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  Speaker 3: Thursday that earned them time at.
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  Speaker 4: This joint practice?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah?
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  Speaker 5: I think that's a you know, a good question. That's
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  Speaker 5: something we talked about this week a little bit with
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  Speaker 5: you know, just the depth and we tell that drill
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  Speaker 5: that they did on you know during practice where it
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  Speaker 5: was you know, kind of one ones but with depth
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  Speaker 5: guys and the guys trying to like find a roster spot.
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  Speaker 5: You've got some injuries now, so some opportunities are open up,
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  Speaker 5: maybe at linebacker. You know, Mike Vrabel said before that
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  Speaker 5: Christian Ellis might be a little limited today, So you know,
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  Speaker 5: might you see a little bit more of a guy
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  Speaker 5: like kJ Britt who popped a little bit in that game,
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  Speaker 5: or even a young guy like Nondo but Obiiser. So
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  Speaker 5: I think that's it's an interesting question, and that's like, well,
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  Speaker 5: how we kind of play this game of you know,
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  Speaker 5: who's going to get the most work in this joint practice,
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  Speaker 5: who's going to need to get into the game and
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  Speaker 5: get more work there. So I guess we got to
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  Speaker 5: kind of see how this plays out over two days,
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  Speaker 5: because these two days of joints are always so interesting
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  Speaker 5: to me.
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  Speaker 2: How they you know, kind of unfold.
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  Speaker 5: Remember last year we were in Minnesota a lot of times
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  Speaker 5: the second take it's a little bit feisty.
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  Speaker 2: We saw some of that last year as well.
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  Speaker 5: So yeah, I'm I'm interested that linebacker spot is one
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  Speaker 5: and just you know, Caleb Lomu continuing to get him reps.
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  Speaker 2: What does that look like?
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  Speaker 5: Do they protect Morgan Moses All in something like this
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  Speaker 5: over the course of two days. Some of these vets
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  Speaker 5: might need a little bit of time off. I think
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  Speaker 5: over these, you know, two practices in a game.
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  Speaker 3: When you say Lomu getting reps, you're talking about at tackle.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, we haven't seen him really go back to guard,
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  Speaker 5: and so I think that's a little bit off the
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  Speaker 5: table right now. I think some of the conversation this
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  Speaker 5: week in the press conference has kind of led you
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  Speaker 5: to believe, you know, Mike Frable saying, you guys might think,
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  Speaker 5: like me, it's easy to move inside, but some of
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  Speaker 5: the coaches don't think that.
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  Speaker 2: So what I read into that was that, yeah, we're.
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  Speaker 5: Missing depth right now on the interior offensive line. Of
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  Speaker 5: course that was you know, before they signed Greg Van Roten,
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  Speaker 5: but John Hannah, Yeah, so I think you're definitely gonna
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  Speaker 5: see Lomu at tackle, and you know Devan's point, these
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  Speaker 5: are this is a great challenge for him.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, I think you know, some of those guys that
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  Speaker 6: we saw in the preseason game, if you just look
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  Speaker 6: at their actions. You know, they signed greg Van Roten
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  Speaker 6: to back up the offensive line in the interior. They
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  Speaker 6: had two visits yesterday with Daikwon Jones, Shaq Thompson at
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  Speaker 6: defensive tackle and at linebacker. Linebacker Chad Muma has not
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  Speaker 6: been practicing and he had kind of a rough preseason
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  Speaker 6: game and then he got hurt and now he's not
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  Speaker 6: been practicing. Chack Thompson's a guy that's played in the league.
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  Speaker 6: You know, dai Kwon Jones has played for Mike Rabel
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  Speaker 6: in Tennessee. Do they not like what they saw necessarily
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  Speaker 6: at a Leonard Taylor and Eric Gregory and Josh Farmer
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  Speaker 6: and those guys in that preseason game. I think that
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  Speaker 6: that might tell you a little bit of something about
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  Speaker 6: where they're thinking. Is so those guys, I think all
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  Speaker 6: those guys have kind of been challenged now, Like you know,
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  Speaker 6: we were looking around, you know, we're looking for veteran
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  Speaker 6: guys that have played a lot of football that can
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  Speaker 6: come in here and be the backups that we thought
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  Speaker 6: you guys were going to emerge and be.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so it's a push.
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  Speaker 7: I like both of those guys, by the way, too,
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  Speaker 7: just you know, I think they make sense from an
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  Speaker 7: experience standpoint. I like the way I have said, you know,
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  Speaker 7: two NFL guys, we're not just taking flyers here, and
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  Speaker 7: I think that both positions of need in terms of depth. Yeah,
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  Speaker 7: you know, so I would I would welcome both of
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  Speaker 7: those guys.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, me too.
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  Speaker 5: I think Daikwon Jones goes to what we said kind
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  Speaker 5: of all summer of like you can go out and
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  Speaker 5: find in those teamicle you can find one of these
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  Speaker 5: guys who's thirty two to thirty three years old, and
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  Speaker 5: they're not going to need to be there from day
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  Speaker 5: one in camp. So, you know, does that reflect upon
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  Speaker 5: I think Corey Durden's kind of got a spot, but
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  Speaker 5: you know, Leonard Taylor and the other guy's coming down
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  Speaker 5: the depth chart, Josh Farmer, those guys, is it, you know,
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  Speaker 5: any bit of a reflection on their play and how
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  Speaker 5: they feel. I don't know, but I just think that
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  Speaker 5: HEYJ Britt, Hey J Britt, Good day for him. But
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  Speaker 5: I just think this is what good teams do you
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  Speaker 5: build depth with with NFL players, And they brought in
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  Speaker 5: these two rookie offensive linemen earlier this week. That doesn't
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  Speaker 5: really move the needle for me, But you know, Daikwon Jones, Shack.
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  Speaker 3: Thompson, that would for sure, So bring it in the linebacker.
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  Speaker 3: What does that say about Chris jian Ellis's status?
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, help, Yeah, I looked at it more as a
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  Speaker 6: Muma thingy because he hasn't been practicing. And you know,
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  Speaker 6: Khalil Jacobs, I think is somebody that has a promising
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  Speaker 6: future ahead of him at linebacker, but he's an undrafted rookie.
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  Speaker 6: You're not gonna really rely on him. I don't think
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  Speaker 6: too much this season and more of a developmental, long
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  Speaker 6: term type of investment. So I think that you know,
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  Speaker 6: a guy like Shaq Thompson maybe more like a Muma.
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  Speaker 1: Replacement if they need it, if they need it.
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  Speaker 6: But you know, I I thought Mike Rabel after the
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  Speaker 6: game on Thursday night said that the first half that
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  Speaker 6: he didn't love what he saw from the defense, especially
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  Speaker 6: the defensive line, and the tape you know, kind of
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  Speaker 6: said the same thing. And second half they came out
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  Speaker 6: they were a little bit better, but that's the second half.
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  Speaker 6: You know, now you're playing you know, third and four
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  Speaker 6: string guys on the offensive line. So I think that
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  Speaker 6: those guys Farmer, Leonard Taylor, you know, Eric Gregory Farms,
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  Speaker 6: like they they need to show a little bit more.
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  Speaker 2: That new guy, right is sixty.
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  Speaker 1: No, that's that's the other guy.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, it's mccowsky, Sorry, Vane Cayden Wallace.
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  Speaker 3: So one of the things that gets me excited about
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  Speaker 3: going into this twenty twenty sixth season is.
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  Speaker 4: The fact that a lot of our discussion is depth.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, we're not talking about who's going to start, and
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  Speaker 3: that's the sign of a developed.
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  Speaker 6: Roster anywhere for it. But like, yeah, like there really
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  Speaker 6: isn't a starting job available. Yeah, I mean, I know
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  Speaker 6: everybody is kind of harping on the interior offensive line
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  Speaker 6: and Elijah Veritucker has gotten some flak for maybe a
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  Speaker 6: slower camp and all this stuff. But we're not talking about,
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  Speaker 6: you know, a competition at any of those spots like that.
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  Speaker 6: Those are the five, Like that's gonna be your group.
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  Speaker 6: You boy called it a host of cards yesterday, Alex
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  Speaker 6: bark Car. I don't know if one of those guys
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  Speaker 6: goes down, it's like a housse of cards. I just like, Okay,
• 14:24
  Speaker 6: who doesn't say that?
• 14:25
  Speaker 1: The only thing right, there's seventy, there's Greg Van Rotten.
• 14:29
  Speaker 2: Loo's all your starters you might be in trouble.
• 14:30
  Speaker 7: That's the only thing I would say is like he
• 14:33
  Speaker 7: said one, he said one starter.
• 14:35
  Speaker 2: It's a host of cards.
• 14:36
  Speaker 6: You look across the league, like how many teams have
• 14:39
  Speaker 6: third and four string guards and tackles that they feel
• 14:42
  Speaker 6: great about. But I actually feel pretty good about the
• 14:44
  Speaker 6: Patriots tackle depth right now. I mean just relative to
• 14:47
  Speaker 6: there's no depth across the league at that position. They
• 14:50
  Speaker 6: have two starters, they have a first round picking, Caleblomu,
• 14:53
  Speaker 6: and Marcus Bryant's really had a good summer. He's really
• 14:55
  Speaker 6: made a push. So that's four guys that I feel
• 14:59
  Speaker 6: like could be function.
• 15:00
  Speaker 7: I think it's fine, I said, I thought it was
• 15:02
  Speaker 7: fine before Van Roton. Now I think that's a good move.
• 15:05
  Speaker 7: Good teams make sure they have layers of death. So
• 15:08
  Speaker 7: I think it's a really good move to bring in
• 15:09
  Speaker 7: Van Roten. No surprise, by the way, chatting it up
• 15:12
  Speaker 7: with Tommy DeVito. Yeah, Giants teammates in the past, Little
• 15:16
  Speaker 7: Giants in action.
• 15:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah.
• 15:17
  Speaker 6: I think once Ben Brown got hurt that one became
• 15:19
  Speaker 6: more of a necessity Van Roten, because you were starting
• 15:23
  Speaker 6: to put guys like you know, Makay Butler's and like
• 15:25
  Speaker 6: those types of players into some real snaps, but Butler
• 15:28
  Speaker 6: is going to be okay for the season. A brownie
• 15:31
  Speaker 6: means I mean brown. I think that there. I think
• 15:33
  Speaker 6: that that's the the general sense that Heath Rabel has
• 15:37
  Speaker 6: given is that you know, it's not a long term injury.
• 15:39
  Speaker 6: But I think Van Roten is a guy that doesn't
• 15:44
  Speaker 6: make you feel like you have to push Caleb Bloom
• 15:47
  Speaker 6: who inside immediately, you know, and you don't have to
• 15:49
  Speaker 6: go to those types of different things even in practice.
• 15:52
  Speaker 6: Like I think that you want to have a second
• 15:55
  Speaker 6: unit on the offensive line that you feel like can
• 15:58
  Speaker 6: at least run at practice and feel pretty good about.
• 16:01
  Speaker 1: So I like that move.
• 16:02
  Speaker 6: I I don't think it's, you know, a game changer,
• 16:04
  Speaker 6: but these are the different areas that they're looking at,
• 16:07
  Speaker 6: you know, interior offensive line, defensive tackle, linebacker, like those
• 16:11
  Speaker 6: are the spots that they clearly feel like they need
• 16:13
  Speaker 6: some more depth.
• 16:14
  Speaker 3: Like very able chatting it up. I'm not sure who
• 16:16
  Speaker 3: he's talking with. It's not Nick Sirianni.
• 16:18
  Speaker 6: Might have been Vic van Gio, the shorter guy defensive coordinator.
• 16:23
  Speaker 2: Okay, all the rage very good, very very good.
• 16:27
  Speaker 4: So so we're not talking about starters.
• 16:29
  Speaker 3: However, there is one starter who won't be out there,
• 16:34
  Speaker 3: Christian Gonzales.
• 16:35
  Speaker 4: Uh.
• 16:35
  Speaker 3: And we're hoping in that, you know, we we know
• 16:40
  Speaker 3: it's a combination of being hurt and probably the contract
• 16:44
  Speaker 3: because you get a little tweak and it's like, you
• 16:47
  Speaker 3: know what, maybe I shouldn't be out here. And as
• 16:51
  Speaker 3: far as the status that goes, there's a million reports
• 16:54
  Speaker 3: that they're far apart, other reports that it's just a
• 16:58
  Speaker 3: matter of when not if.
• 17:01
  Speaker 2: So, But we don't know. I'm sure we're gonna get
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: a lot.
• 17:04
  Speaker 3: Of questions on the email podcast at Patriots dot com
• 17:07
  Speaker 3: about what his status is.
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: You're what we know is what's out there.
• 17:12
  Speaker 4: We don't know anything more than that. We're hoping that
• 17:15
  Speaker 4: it gets done.
• 17:18
  Speaker 3: You know, he is under contract, so whether or not
• 17:20
  Speaker 3: he plays this year, if it doesn't get done, it's
• 17:23
  Speaker 3: in his best interest to play because if you don't,
• 17:26
  Speaker 3: then you don't get credit for the season and you're
• 17:29
  Speaker 3: still that much further.
• 17:30
  Speaker 4: Away from free agency.
• 17:31
  Speaker 3: So but you know, let's see now if if the
• 17:36
  Speaker 3: worst case happens. Now you are talking about some issues
• 17:40
  Speaker 3: depth wise and starting wise at cornerback.
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, times running out for us. I mean, I think
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: after these two practices.
• 17:46
  Speaker 5: We have Monday Tuesday next week that we'll we'll get
• 17:48
  Speaker 5: to see it not open to the public, but after
• 17:50
  Speaker 5: that point they close it down.
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: It's it's on to regular season.
• 17:53
  Speaker 5: So are we going to see Gonzalez back out at
• 17:57
  Speaker 5: practice before he has a new contract to those two
• 17:59
  Speaker 5: things maybe tail into each other and oh, look, he's
• 18:02
  Speaker 5: back in practice and there's.
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: A new contract. Maybe I'm just kind.
• 18:05
  Speaker 5: Of hoping it gets done so that doesn't hang over
• 18:07
  Speaker 5: the season and it doesn't continue to be, you know,
• 18:09
  Speaker 5: a distraction.
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: Especially going into Week one against Seattle.
• 18:12
  Speaker 5: I mean, they're all gonna be talking about, Hey, we
• 18:14
  Speaker 5: resigned Witherspoon, Why haven't you guys resigned Gonzales.
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: So I think the sooner they can get.
• 18:19
  Speaker 5: That all taken care of, those were the two key
• 18:21
  Speaker 5: pieces to me coming into camp.
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: Figure out gay Bacchus.
• 18:24
  Speaker 5: They've done that, They've gotten him into the mix, and
• 18:26
  Speaker 5: get Gonzalez all squared away, And I think once those
• 18:28
  Speaker 5: things are taken care of, all the bookkeeping, all that
• 18:30
  Speaker 5: stuff is off the plate, and you're ready to go
• 18:33
  Speaker 5: for the regular season.
• 18:34
  Speaker 3: So you mentioned gay Bacchus, and I asked the question earlier,
• 18:37
  Speaker 3: Guys who got run Thursday night, and who might get
• 18:41
  Speaker 3: run today?
• 18:43
  Speaker 4: I think Acus is in that category.
• 18:45
  Speaker 5: Yeah, for sure, I think he'll get I mean, I
• 18:47
  Speaker 5: just I think with him, you're, as they say a
• 18:50
  Speaker 5: bazillion times, drinking from the fire hose, and it's even
• 18:53
  Speaker 5: more pressure coming out of that fire hose for a
• 18:56
  Speaker 5: you know, a kid who really missed OTAs and showed
• 18:58
  Speaker 5: up late into training camp.
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: And all that.
• 19:00
  Speaker 5: So it's been up and down. It's been inconsistent. I'd
• 19:03
  Speaker 5: like to see a little bit more. I'd like to
• 19:04
  Speaker 5: see some flash in the pass rush, see some of
• 19:06
  Speaker 5: that power that he had in college translate into the
• 19:09
  Speaker 5: NFL game. It hasn't really call click for him yet,
• 19:12
  Speaker 5: but I'm not panicking yet. I just would love to
• 19:15
  Speaker 5: get some contributions from him this year. And you know,
• 19:17
  Speaker 5: right now, it seems like they're doing everything they can
• 19:20
  Speaker 5: to try to get him ready, to get him ready
• 19:22
  Speaker 5: to contribute. And I'm sure these next three days he's
• 19:24
  Speaker 5: going to have a large part and both joints and
• 19:27
  Speaker 5: into the game.
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: I think he.
• 19:28
  Speaker 3: Benefits for having a head coach like Mike Rabel, who
• 19:31
  Speaker 3: kind of he wasn't as high a draft pick as Akus,
• 19:34
  Speaker 3: but similar position, you know, kind of the outside there.
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: He was his second round pick. Oh, he was sorry
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: about that. Yeah, and so on.
• 19:43
  Speaker 3: I'm sure, bro, And didn't you know, didn't start right away,
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: was sort of a sub over at Pittsburgh and didn't
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: really blossom until he got to the Patriots. So he
• 19:53
  Speaker 3: can kind of relate a little bit to Akis and
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: share some of that.
• 19:56
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm I guess maybe I'm a little higher on
• 19:59
  Speaker 6: acuses summer than other people. I don't really care too
• 20:03
  Speaker 6: much about the mental mistakes right now. There he is,
• 20:05
  Speaker 6: you know that those those will come in time. You know,
• 20:08
  Speaker 6: he is a rookie. He did have a you know,
• 20:11
  Speaker 6: a contract dispute or whatever it was that kept him
• 20:13
  Speaker 6: off the field for the entire spring and in a
• 20:16
  Speaker 6: little bit of the summer. What I like is that
• 20:19
  Speaker 6: the the traits, the physical traits clearly are translating to
• 20:23
  Speaker 6: this level. The power, uh, you know, the ability to
• 20:25
  Speaker 6: set the edge of the defense. Uh, the ability to
• 20:28
  Speaker 6: you know, slip blocks and beat blocks on the line
• 20:31
  Speaker 6: of scrimmage, the physicality that he plays with.
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: So like we can sit here and.
• 20:37
  Speaker 6: Talk about how the fact that he didn't like readout
• 20:39
  Speaker 6: a readoption and like how we over pursued a screen
• 20:42
  Speaker 6: and all that kind of stuff like that. That's rookie
• 20:45
  Speaker 6: mistakes like those are those are young player mistakes. Now,
• 20:48
  Speaker 6: eventually that light needs to come on and he needs to,
• 20:51
  Speaker 6: you know, figure it out at this level. But I
• 20:53
  Speaker 6: would be much more concerned if I watched him play
• 20:56
  Speaker 6: and said, there's just no juice there, like this guy
• 20:59
  Speaker 6: doesn't he does and have the skill set he doesn't have,
• 21:01
  Speaker 6: you know, the physical traits that you look for.
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: I think he's got all of that.
• 21:05
  Speaker 6: I just think mentally right now, he's got to figure
• 21:07
  Speaker 6: out this level of football in the NFL game.
• 21:10
  Speaker 4: No, I think that's a great way to put it.
• 21:12
  Speaker 4: You know. I'm not down on him like some people are.
• 21:15
  Speaker 3: I'm only kidding, but he certainly for me from that
• 21:20
  Speaker 3: first day that I really saw him, it was the
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: indoor practice in the bubble that day.
• 21:26
  Speaker 4: The speed was evident, the speed was evident, and then.
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: I just don't see it. I don't see it.
• 21:31
  Speaker 7: I see a power guy who's trying to figure out
• 21:34
  Speaker 7: how his power translates to the NFL. I'm not giving
• 21:36
  Speaker 7: up speed. No, I think he's more of an early
• 21:40
  Speaker 7: down player right now.
• 21:41
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I don't see speed either, I see twitch like
• 21:43
  Speaker 6: he's got like ability quickness and lateral quickness to you know,
• 21:47
  Speaker 6: slither back there. Yeah, when I see that, I mean,
• 21:51
  Speaker 6: I don't think he's quick off the edge speed off
• 21:53
  Speaker 6: the ball, don't.
• 21:54
  Speaker 7: I don't see it, all right, I saw it. He
• 21:57
  Speaker 7: certainly wasn't in college.
• 21:59
  Speaker 4: I saw it in that day he was.
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: He looked faster than the guys that were doing the
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: same drill that he was doing.
• 22:06
  Speaker 7: I think he's I think, like a firecracker up his butt. Okay,
• 22:10
  Speaker 7: what everybody else is dragging through camp? Maybe, babe, I
• 22:13
  Speaker 7: don't and I didn't see what you saw anyway.
• 22:15
  Speaker 4: Maybe that was it.
• 22:17
  Speaker 7: But I I mean, you've been really down on Drake
• 22:18
  Speaker 7: May and we have so.
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: Now we're just gonna be But but why is.
• 22:24
  Speaker 7: That ridiculous if you've not been down on Drake May
• 22:27
  Speaker 7: this summer?
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: I said one thing about him, I said, I would
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: love to see the ball come out of his hand
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: just the second earliest.
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: But you've been disappointed.
• 22:34
  Speaker 4: Does that mean I'm down on him?
• 22:35
  Speaker 7: Yes, Okay, this summer you've been down on it. Okay,
• 22:38
  Speaker 7: you can own it. It's okay.
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: I just said that.
• 22:41
  Speaker 4: On Monday was the best Monday.
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: It was a good practices set.
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: We got him on our side.
• 22:46
  Speaker 7: I thought he played pretty well in the joint practice
• 22:47
  Speaker 7: against Indianapolis.
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: You argued with.
• 22:49
  Speaker 7: Evan for ten minutes and said he didn't.
• 22:51
  Speaker 6: Yeah, as I was listening off all of the bombs
• 22:53
  Speaker 6: that he threw against the Cults. But Paul, you you
• 22:57
  Speaker 6: see Acus's I agree with you, he's not. He's not
• 23:00
  Speaker 6: speed rusher. That's not how he's going to win in
• 23:02
  Speaker 6: the league. But you mistake that he can't play. You
• 23:05
  Speaker 6: see the skill set that could not you could. Did
• 23:07
  Speaker 6: you see the skill set that could translate though the power?
• 23:10
  Speaker 4: Power?
• 23:11
  Speaker 7: Yeah, and I see some power. There are some plays
• 23:14
  Speaker 7: where I see him get Will Campbell on his on
• 23:18
  Speaker 7: his on his heels. I absolutely can see that. I
• 23:22
  Speaker 7: don't I mean watching his take. I'm no expert on
• 23:25
  Speaker 7: Illinois football.
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: It's okay.
• 23:26
  Speaker 7: What I watched on tape. I did not see a
• 23:28
  Speaker 7: speed rusher. I saw a power rusher. And that concerns
• 23:31
  Speaker 7: me a little bit, just a little bit, in that
• 23:34
  Speaker 7: sometimes a power guy in college can't get by that
• 23:37
  Speaker 7: way in the pros.
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: That was watching a little bit.
• 23:39
  Speaker 6: That was always the concern with him coming out was
• 23:41
  Speaker 6: that he was not a speed guy off the edge
• 23:45
  Speaker 6: that could really turn a corner and get to the corner.
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: But I liked him.
• 23:48
  Speaker 7: I liked what I saw, and you know, he didn't.
• 23:51
  Speaker 7: I don't watch anywhere near as much tape as Mike
• 23:53
  Speaker 7: and Evan do. He's one guy that might asked me
• 23:56
  Speaker 7: to watch specifically, and I was impressed.
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: We talked about it.
• 24:00
  Speaker 7: I think we did one of our draft preview casts
• 24:02
  Speaker 7: about and we talked about him specifically. So we were
• 24:05
  Speaker 7: we were in on him before they drafted him, you know,
• 24:07
  Speaker 7: the three of us.
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: So I am not down on the pick. I'm not
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: down on the player, but.
• 24:12
  Speaker 7: I do think it's been a little bit of a
• 24:15
  Speaker 7: but I just try to bring what I see. I
• 24:18
  Speaker 7: know it like a blazer off the edge. That's not
• 24:21
  Speaker 7: how he's gonna win.
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: And so do I and and I'm going to give
• 24:23
  Speaker 3: you a legal seafood fresh take right now.
• 24:26
  Speaker 4: I know.
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah, by the end of the season, we're going to see, Wow,
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: I didn't think he was that fast.
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: Okay, all right, I don't know what that can we
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: go with?
• 24:36
  Speaker 7: Like explosive, that's what That's what I'm talking about, Like
• 24:41
  Speaker 7: he's not blowing by a tackle on the edge like
• 24:43
  Speaker 7: to make a living.
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: No, but I got de Marcus ware.
• 24:46
  Speaker 6: But I think that he does have the power in
• 24:48
  Speaker 6: the foundation of a skill set to be able to
• 24:50
  Speaker 6: I would agree to hang in the in this league.
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: I think that that's.
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: Got of taped up fingers. What he's got.
• 24:55
  Speaker 6: It's got a super underrated aspect of edge play. The
• 25:00
  Speaker 6: league is power, like I think everybody loves and I
• 25:03
  Speaker 6: do the same thing, especially when you're watching guys in
• 25:05
  Speaker 6: the draft the spin moves and the finesse and the
• 25:08
  Speaker 6: speed rushes around the edge and all these different things.
• 25:11
  Speaker 6: Then you get to this level and it's like if
• 25:12
  Speaker 6: you don't have power, then you're not gonna make it.
• 25:14
  Speaker 6: Like if you're just a finesse guy in the NFL,
• 25:17
  Speaker 6: it's not enough. And you know, you look at the
• 25:20
  Speaker 6: analytics of it all too like most of the time
• 25:24
  Speaker 6: players are winning with power at the NFL level, they're
• 25:27
  Speaker 6: not winning with with speed or finesse. So if he
• 25:29
  Speaker 6: can keep kind of getting the mental aspects of the
• 25:33
  Speaker 6: game down and maybe like harness that a little bit,
• 25:36
  Speaker 6: you know, I was more like he got beat two
• 25:39
  Speaker 6: screens to his side of the field in the preseason
• 25:41
  Speaker 6: game that went for chunk plays that he just was
• 25:45
  Speaker 6: full bore up the field and had no idea that
• 25:47
  Speaker 6: the guy was sneaking out behind him and throwing a
• 25:49
  Speaker 6: screen behind him.
• 25:49
  Speaker 4: Those are mental mistakes, right like those are the.
• 25:51
  Speaker 6: Types of things that they need to get him to
• 25:53
  Speaker 6: process a little bit quicker.
• 25:54
  Speaker 7: Oh So I would also add when you said Fred,
• 25:57
  Speaker 7: the part about you know what happened in the preseason game, maybe,
• 26:00
  Speaker 7: I mean, I think the rookie draft class is in
• 26:02
  Speaker 7: a different boat. The rookie draft picks are going to
• 26:05
  Speaker 7: play in both the joint practices and in the games
• 26:08
  Speaker 7: they have to they haven't played yet.
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: So you saw a lot of gay bactis.
• 26:12
  Speaker 7: Eli rere it in Caleb Lomu against the Colts in
• 26:16
  Speaker 7: the joint practice on the Tuesday and then again in
• 26:18
  Speaker 7: the game on Thursday. I think you're going to see
• 26:20
  Speaker 7: those draft kroon prunty. These guys got to play, and
• 26:24
  Speaker 7: they got to play in.
• 26:24
  Speaker 4: Both well, and you got to see them against real competition.
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Raredan, we haven't talked about him. I thought he's
• 26:32
  Speaker 3: he's looked pretty good. I mean, I know the knock
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: against him is what's he going to do when he
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: has to block as a tight end, but in terms
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: of being a pass catching tight end, he's done pretty well.
• 26:43
  Speaker 5: Now that went, I'm with you, Yeah, I mean, you know,
• 26:45
  Speaker 5: it's just the first thing i'd say is in the spring,
• 26:47
  Speaker 5: after Guift Fresh, after Julian Hill got hurt, it seemed
• 26:50
  Speaker 5: like they were going to go sign a veter I
• 26:51
  Speaker 5: mean that was I think Mike Vrabel has asked about
• 26:53
  Speaker 5: it and they haven't. So, you know, Eli Reredan has
• 26:56
  Speaker 5: shown up consistently. He's you know, you've seen him grow
• 26:59
  Speaker 5: a little bit. You've seen get more reps with Drake
• 27:02
  Speaker 5: and you know he's playing a little bit with Hunter
• 27:03
  Speaker 5: Henry as well.
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: So I just think the more they can get him experience.
• 27:06
  Speaker 5: It's a big athletic guy. I'm excited to see what
• 27:09
  Speaker 5: he does in the red zone. I think that's a
• 27:10
  Speaker 5: spot talking about have like rookies giving them roles, Right,
• 27:14
  Speaker 5: Let's get him inside the red zone and have him,
• 27:16
  Speaker 5: you know, using his size in his athleticism to give
• 27:19
  Speaker 5: Drake another outlet down there.
• 27:20
  Speaker 6: Yeah, is there a package of plays twenty five thirty
• 27:23
  Speaker 6: plays a game that makes sense for him to showcase
• 27:26
  Speaker 6: his skill set, which I think is different from Hunter
• 27:29
  Speaker 6: Henry's and that Rareden definitely has more straight line speed
• 27:32
  Speaker 6: at this stage than Hunter Henry does.
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: So can you get him up the seams?
• 27:36
  Speaker 6: Can you get him on crossing routes coming across the
• 27:38
  Speaker 6: field if they're going to run a lot of boots,
• 27:40
  Speaker 6: which I think they are, and move the pocket. Can
• 27:42
  Speaker 6: you get him coming across the field with may going
• 27:44
  Speaker 6: in the other direction and hit him with some you
• 27:46
  Speaker 6: know stride to you know, some build up speed like
• 27:49
  Speaker 6: we saw in the preseason game. Got called back, but
• 27:51
  Speaker 6: it was a twenty four yard completion, just a little
• 27:54
  Speaker 6: dump off into the flat on a crossing route that
• 27:56
  Speaker 6: went for twenty four yards. I actually thought that I
• 27:59
  Speaker 6: was encouraged by the blocking tape from the preseason game.
• 28:03
  Speaker 6: I thought it was better than I expected. Some big
• 28:06
  Speaker 6: boy assignments like blocking defensive ends and you know guys
• 28:09
  Speaker 6: that are two fifty two fifty five on the edge,
• 28:12
  Speaker 6: and he at least held his own in there. I mean,
• 28:14
  Speaker 6: I wouldn't say it was it wasn't dominant or anything,
• 28:17
  Speaker 6: but he held his own and you know, got out
• 28:19
  Speaker 6: in some space and made some blocks on the move too.
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: So it's been an encouraging start for him.
• 28:24
  Speaker 6: I mean, you look at him though, and like he's
• 28:25
  Speaker 6: gonna have to add some meat to the bones, you know,
• 28:28
  Speaker 6: if he's going to be a real in line blocker
• 28:31
  Speaker 6: at this level. But what I like about him in
• 28:34
  Speaker 6: terms of twenty twenty six is that he's going to
• 28:37
  Speaker 6: have a speed up the field that I don't think
• 28:39
  Speaker 6: at thirty one years old, Hunter Henry is bringing to
• 28:41
  Speaker 6: the table.
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: So let me ask you a question.
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: Paul mentioned you know the draft picks, you know played,
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: and will you know you need to see him in
• 28:50
  Speaker 3: both the preseason and in this one. If a guy
• 28:53
  Speaker 3: like Raredan kills it the next two days, I mean,
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: he just has a great couple of days. Do you
• 28:57
  Speaker 3: throttle him down, oh for the preseas the game or
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: do you still put him out there.
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: I think they're gonna need him.
• 29:03
  Speaker 5: I I you know, I don't know what what what
• 29:06
  Speaker 5: he would have to do in these two practices to
• 29:07
  Speaker 5: be like, all right, he's good. I think he's got
• 29:10
  Speaker 5: a ton to work on, and I think any kind
• 29:12
  Speaker 5: of reps that he can get against another opponent, you
• 29:15
  Speaker 5: gotta you gotta force feed him right at this.
• 29:17
  Speaker 6: Point, especially the blocking assignments, because let's face it, if
• 29:21
  Speaker 6: he blows a block in the preseason game, the score
• 29:24
  Speaker 6: doesn't matter anyway. You don't want to see him blowing
• 29:26
  Speaker 6: blox in the regular season. So getting the the reps
• 29:29
  Speaker 6: you know in the preseason games, the live reps in
• 29:31
  Speaker 6: the blocking game, run game, I think is important for him.
• 29:35
  Speaker 6: I think that will help him in the long run.
• 29:37
  Speaker 7: I just want to see him continuing to get some
• 29:40
  Speaker 7: some opportunities with Drake May in the first unit, and
• 29:43
  Speaker 7: I think we've seen more of that the last week,
• 29:45
  Speaker 7: and I think he can benefit from that.
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: And uh, you know some of this.
• 29:49
  Speaker 7: Do you remember a couple of times Austin Hooper sort
• 29:53
  Speaker 7: of behind the play, those like tight end drags like
• 29:55
  Speaker 7: you know, like everyone was talking about, like the reverse
• 29:58
  Speaker 7: boot and all of a sudden you throw it back.
• 30:00
  Speaker 7: I think you can get Evans. Yeah, yeah, I was
• 30:03
  Speaker 7: setting you up. I think you can get Evans's place.
• 30:05
  Speaker 7: I think he might be a guy that you get
• 30:08
  Speaker 7: him in space and he might be able to.
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: Make a big chunk play.
• 30:10
  Speaker 7: That's what he did at Notre Dame, sorry, at xplace.
• 30:14
  Speaker 6: That's what he did at Notre Dame. You know, he
• 30:15
  Speaker 6: averaged over sixteen yards of catch at Notre Dame. He
• 30:18
  Speaker 6: had eight twenty plus yard plays last year, most in
• 30:21
  Speaker 6: the in the draft class at that position. So he's
• 30:24
  Speaker 6: a guy that can get chunks. But that's also not overrated.
• 30:29
  Speaker 6: And think that he's going to play a ton you know,
• 30:30
  Speaker 6: I think he's a forty five snap right, would be
• 30:34
  Speaker 6: a good rookie season for him.
• 30:35
  Speaker 4: Big crowd here for the joint practice.
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: Is there's a lot of people inside the stadium too.
• 30:40
  Speaker 4: They were lined up early.
• 30:41
  Speaker 3: The bleachers are full, the hill behind the field is full.
• 30:46
  Speaker 4: Uh.
• 30:46
  Speaker 3: They've been directing people into the bowl to watch practice
• 30:50
  Speaker 3: on the big screens inside because there's that many people.
• 30:52
  Speaker 5: Wow, that's kind of new, right, Usually they just sent
• 30:55
  Speaker 5: off the ramps, but now we're going into the stadium.
• 30:57
  Speaker 3: Well, I think it's it's probably better. At least it's
• 30:59
  Speaker 3: more comfortable.
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: Big video board, you can see everything.
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: Don't be recording the screen.
• 31:06
  Speaker 3: Well, you know, people do what they have to do.
• 31:09
  Speaker 3: Everyone's got a camera in their hand now. Uh. Podcast
• 31:12
  Speaker 3: at Patriots dot com is the email address. Brendan writes
• 31:15
  Speaker 3: in thanks for covering the practice. I understand Akis is
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: going to get caught up, but I'm really excited to
• 31:20
  Speaker 3: watch him play. Do you think we could see him
• 31:21
  Speaker 3: in early downs at some point this year, or do
• 31:24
  Speaker 3: you see him being a situational guy.
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: I like their lack of depth.
• 31:28
  Speaker 3: In Landry's injury, he might have to play a lot early.
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, But I I think you is his situation, right, Yeah, right.
• 31:38
  Speaker 6: I've been consistently saying that I think him and Ponder
• 31:42
  Speaker 6: are going to play. Both play in their situations. Ponder
• 31:46
  Speaker 6: is going to play in passing situations and Akas is
• 31:48
  Speaker 6: going to play and run situations and together. They did
• 31:51
  Speaker 6: the same thing last year with Anthony Jennings and Ponder,
• 31:53
  Speaker 6: you know, in the playoffs, Like together, you kind of
• 31:56
  Speaker 6: form them together and they become a three down player
• 31:59
  Speaker 6: up for you on defense. You know, I defensively, it's
• 32:01
  Speaker 6: not the same, Like there's no tails, like if it's
• 32:04
  Speaker 6: third and long, like it's a passing situation. You know,
• 32:06
  Speaker 6: it's not like you're given anything away by platooning those guys.
• 32:09
  Speaker 6: So I think that that's that's where we're headed with
• 32:12
  Speaker 6: those two.
• 32:13
  Speaker 5: I mean, to be honest, I'll be a little disappointed
• 32:15
  Speaker 5: if that's how it is with Ponder, Like I have
• 32:18
  Speaker 5: three down hopes for him, and I think.
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: Last year that's what he was.
• 32:21
  Speaker 5: He was kind of that third change up rusher to
• 32:24
  Speaker 5: to to spell, uh the other top two guys.
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: But I'd love to.
• 32:28
  Speaker 5: I mean, I think the best thing for this team
• 32:30
  Speaker 5: would be that Ponders a three down player and that
• 32:32
  Speaker 5: they can work around him. Uh, you know, maybe a
• 32:35
  Speaker 5: guy like even Ke Hutchins or Brayden Swinson. Maybe they
• 32:39
  Speaker 5: get some of those just past pure pass rush reps.
• 32:42
  Speaker 5: But I think in a perfect world for this team
• 32:45
  Speaker 5: to really send Akis doesn't play.
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: And a perfect world Actus is that player.
• 32:50
  Speaker 5: Well, I think a rotation, but rotationally. But I just
• 32:53
  Speaker 5: if because Jraymond Jones is going to play. Yeah, he's
• 32:56
  Speaker 5: gonna be on one edge. Yeah, And I'd love to
• 32:59
  Speaker 5: if Ponders it's guy. I don't think you to see
• 33:01
  Speaker 5: much of Acus. I would rather see Akus be the
• 33:03
  Speaker 5: three down guy.
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: I mean second round at the end of the day.
• 33:07
  Speaker 6: Yeah, Like at the end of the day, it's if
• 33:09
  Speaker 6: one of those guys blossoms into a great player, it
• 33:12
  Speaker 6: doesn't really matter. I do have it like if Acus,
• 33:15
  Speaker 6: you want to see Accus like be a dude, Like
• 33:18
  Speaker 6: they drafted him fifty fifth overall in a deep edge
• 33:21
  Speaker 6: class where everybody was talking up the edge class all
• 33:23
  Speaker 6: off season long. If they drafted a guy in the
• 33:26
  Speaker 6: second round that's like a really good player, then that
• 33:28
  Speaker 6: that's their ceiling just goes up.
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: Yep.
• 33:31
  Speaker 6: You know, I no disrespect to Ponder, but he, you know,
• 33:33
  Speaker 6: is a guy that came in the league as an
• 33:35
  Speaker 6: undrafted rookie. But if either one of those guys pan
• 33:38
  Speaker 6: out and is that guy, then it doesn't matter which
• 33:40
  Speaker 6: one it is.
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: It's just one of those guys.
• 33:42
  Speaker 5: I would just be surprised to see gay Bacis playing
• 33:45
  Speaker 5: rundowns right.
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: Out of the gate in Seattle.
• 33:48
  Speaker 7: I think it might not be week one, it might
• 33:51
  Speaker 7: not be immediate, but I don't want Ponder out there
• 33:54
  Speaker 7: first downs. I don't like him. I don't like him
• 33:58
  Speaker 7: against the run. I don't like what I've seen for him.
• 34:01
  Speaker 7: You know now, Draymond Jones, I think he's come as advertised.
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: I think he's a physical edge kind of guy.
• 34:06
  Speaker 7: The thing that Evan was talking about the power that
• 34:08
  Speaker 7: you can see that now he's got not a big
• 34:12
  Speaker 7: repertoire of past rush moves.
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: I think Will Campbell would tell you that.
• 34:15
  Speaker 7: I think Will Campbell's like you know, the ball knowers
• 34:19
  Speaker 7: telling me, Will Campbell's like twelve and two, and there
• 34:21
  Speaker 7: is one on ones and like ten of those wins
• 34:23
  Speaker 7: have to be against Draymont Jones.
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: He just completely h.
• 34:27
  Speaker 3: You talk about Will Campbell, Josh writes in everything I've
• 34:31
  Speaker 3: seen is he's starting a left tackle, and I have
• 34:35
  Speaker 3: not heard much about how he has looked this camp,
• 34:38
  Speaker 3: good or bad, which is probably a good sign. Wanted
• 34:42
  Speaker 3: to see if you could say how he's holding up
• 34:44
  Speaker 3: this camp and if he looks.
• 34:47
  Speaker 4: Past his late season woes.
• 34:49
  Speaker 6: I would say that we've written and talked about Will
• 34:52
  Speaker 6: Campbell a ton, but I just I'm not going to
• 34:55
  Speaker 6: convince people that Will Campbell is having a year or
• 34:58
  Speaker 6: two leap until they see it regular season games with
• 35:01
  Speaker 6: their own eyes. And I get that because I've.
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: Been down this road.
• 35:04
  Speaker 6: He's having a great camp and everybody is like, well,
• 35:07
  Speaker 6: we'll see you know, so like, I'm not going to
• 35:09
  Speaker 6: try to convince you that it's real. But he looks healthier,
• 35:12
  Speaker 6: he looks stronger than me, he looks more diverse, Like
• 35:15
  Speaker 6: I think he's got more tricks up his sleeve this
• 35:17
  Speaker 6: year than he did last year. And we'll see come
• 35:20
  Speaker 6: Week one in Seattle if it all translates to the
• 35:22
  Speaker 6: regular season but so far, I think he's had a
• 35:25
  Speaker 6: terrific camp, and I think that he's been far and
• 35:28
  Speaker 6: away their best tackle.
• 35:29
  Speaker 5: And there's no question that's lineman. That he's the lineman
• 35:31
  Speaker 5: I feel best about right now. And I mean that
• 35:33
  Speaker 5: could change, but just as far as camp has gone
• 35:35
  Speaker 5: so far, I've been really impressed with how steady he's been.
• 35:39
  Speaker 5: Now we'll see today, we'll see in Seattle. You know,
• 35:42
  Speaker 5: how he holds up. These matchups all of a sudden
• 35:44
  Speaker 5: get really interesting, really quick.
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: And it of.
• 35:47
  Speaker 5: Course feeds into what we were just talking about with
• 35:49
  Speaker 5: the edge guys, where you don't really know that you
• 35:52
  Speaker 5: have a fully rounded edge guy right now. It feels
• 35:55
  Speaker 5: piecemeal and you're gonna have to put it together and
• 35:57
  Speaker 5: they're gonna have to stunt to get to the quarterback,
• 36:00
  Speaker 5: gonna have to send blitzes, you know. So that's It's
• 36:02
  Speaker 5: just that I've had biggest questions in the off season.
• 36:05
  Speaker 5: We're about the edge, and it continues right now as
• 36:07
  Speaker 5: we talk about it.
• 36:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I would agree, Mike Darius wants to know, uh
• 36:12
  Speaker 3: And I saw it too, someone giving out T shirts
• 36:15
  Speaker 3: to the stands and he said it looked like a
• 36:17
  Speaker 3: forged in Foxboro T shirt. I'm not sure if it
• 36:20
  Speaker 3: was Forge of Foxboro or Forever New England. I did
• 36:24
  Speaker 3: see the f O, so that made me think, oh,
• 36:26
  Speaker 3: maybe that's a floor.
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry, what f O? Get the f O?
• 36:31
  Speaker 3: But I don't think the Forge and Foxboro were black
• 36:34
  Speaker 3: with white lettering.
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: No, those were nice quality T shirt.
• 36:37
  Speaker 4: But we do need to get more Forged and Foxboro
• 36:39
  Speaker 4: T shirts.
• 36:40
  Speaker 5: I know, well, you know, I would have loved to
• 36:42
  Speaker 5: a made a trip around the stands today. There are
• 36:43
  Speaker 5: a lot of PU fans that are hit me up
• 36:45
  Speaker 5: down there.
• 36:45
  Speaker 4: You were, you were very weren't asked to warm up?
• 36:49
  Speaker 3: Well?
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: I was asked for my responsibilities here. You know we're
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: gonna you know, we're talking live.
• 36:53
  Speaker 4: Oh you were.
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: But the timing of it all, it just didn't quite
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: work out.
• 36:57
  Speaker 5: So maybe tomorrow, if the crowd is a little bit,
• 37:00
  Speaker 5: you know, not quite pumped up enough, maybe I'll have.
• 37:02
  Speaker 3: To go to put a camera on you and gone,
• 37:04
  Speaker 3: let's go down to Mike. Mike do So, who's who's
• 37:07
  Speaker 3: warming up the crowd?
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: Right right there?
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: Is?
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: What's that? One says?
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: Electric?
• 37:15
  Speaker 6: I have to I have to admit whenever they call it,
• 37:18
  Speaker 6: call us out to do our little bit, and they
• 37:20
  Speaker 6: say it's Evan Lazar, Mike do so Patriots dot Com.
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: I do feel Yeah.
• 37:25
  Speaker 3: Why.
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: Where's Mike Mike Grees out there? These guys?
• 37:33
  Speaker 3: Matthew wants to know, is there a chance we have
• 37:36
  Speaker 3: a top five offensive.
• 37:37
  Speaker 4: Line if all the current starters stay healthy?
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: Is there a chance they will?
• 37:43
  Speaker 6: Will Campbell and Jared Wilson would have to really really
• 37:46
  Speaker 6: improve to be top five. I mean, now we're talking
• 37:48
  Speaker 6: about them being up there with this team, the Eagles.
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: Depends voting of the guy.
• 37:55
  Speaker 7: You tell me the name of the guy who's putting
• 37:56
  Speaker 7: it on his website, and I'll tell if there's a chance.
• 37:58
  Speaker 7: I'm Sully to tell me the name of the guy
• 38:02
  Speaker 7: who's doing it for PFF top. I'll tell you if
• 38:04
  Speaker 7: there's a chance they can be in the top five.
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: Top five would be a pretty big jump.
• 38:07
  Speaker 7: I'll look up the bio, see where he's from, and
• 38:09
  Speaker 7: I'll tell you if there's a chance.
• 38:10
  Speaker 6: Where were they last year, like middle of the pack,
• 38:13
  Speaker 6: which was obviously like a huge improvement from the year before.
• 38:16
  Speaker 6: But I mean to go from like even if we
• 38:19
  Speaker 6: give them league average sixteenth best offensive line in football
• 38:21
  Speaker 6: to the top five would be a pretty considerable improvement
• 38:25
  Speaker 6: from what we saw last year. Like that's everybody across
• 38:28
  Speaker 6: the board got better, like Vera Tucker's a stud, Campbell's
• 38:31
  Speaker 6: a stud, Wilson's really good at center.
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: That'd be a lot.
• 38:34
  Speaker 3: I mean, no matter how you do your rankings when
• 38:38
  Speaker 3: offensive line, there has to be some subjectivity to it
• 38:41
  Speaker 3: because you know, if you have a quarterback who gets
• 38:44
  Speaker 3: the ball out of his hands really quickly and that's
• 38:46
  Speaker 3: their offense, well that helps your offensive line. That's gonna
• 38:50
  Speaker 3: up their grades because there's less pressure on them to
• 38:53
  Speaker 3: hold their blocks and so on. So there's so much
• 38:55
  Speaker 3: that goes into it. It's it's really hard to say
• 38:58
  Speaker 3: this line's better than enough less it's just obvious.
• 39:01
  Speaker 6: That's how you know, we have like things like win
• 39:03
  Speaker 6: rate now that track how them actually beating the block
• 39:08
  Speaker 6: not necessarily is it would it goes down as a pressure,
• 39:11
  Speaker 6: but did they actually get around the guy trying to
• 39:14
  Speaker 6: block them in front of them? And those things try
• 39:16
  Speaker 6: to get into the minutia of is the quarterback, you know,
• 39:20
  Speaker 6: sack prone not sack prone?
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: Does he get the ball out quickly? Does he not
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: get the ball out quickly?
• 39:24
  Speaker 6: So there's ways that they track that kind of stuff now,
• 39:28
  Speaker 6: but that's all you.
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: Know, eyeball tests.
• 39:30
  Speaker 6: So did you know each everybody might have a different
• 39:33
  Speaker 6: definition of he beat the block?
• 39:35
  Speaker 3: So yeah, I mean, if it's uh, you know, like
• 39:39
  Speaker 3: Aaron Rodgers, he's going to get the ball out of
• 39:41
  Speaker 3: his hands. If it's Vince Ferragamo, he might be taking
• 39:43
  Speaker 3: a seventh step drop and standing back there.
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: So talking about thirty touchdowns and that's a cousin.
• 39:50
  Speaker 6: Yeah, Aaron Rodgers is just afraid to get hit now,
• 39:53
  Speaker 6: so that's why he gets the ball out so quickly.
• 39:56
  Speaker 4: Justin writes.
• 39:57
  Speaker 3: In yesterday, Evan mentioned that teams are playing nickel two
• 40:00
  Speaker 3: high safeties and taking away the deep part of the field.
• 40:03
  Speaker 3: Two questions One, is running really the only way to
• 40:06
  Speaker 3: beat this coverage? If a team has three marquee receivers,
• 40:09
  Speaker 3: would that force a team like Seattle to take em
• 40:13
  Speaker 3: and worry off the field.
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: Not not necessarily.
• 40:17
  Speaker 6: But I think the bigger problem is that teams have
• 40:21
  Speaker 6: really gotten really good at at pressuring quarterbacks and finding
• 40:24
  Speaker 6: different ways, you know, to blitz quarterbacks or to scheme
• 40:28
  Speaker 6: up pressure with quarterbacks. That if you live in a
• 40:32
  Speaker 6: drop back world, as a team like the Patriots did
• 40:35
  Speaker 6: in the Super Bowl. When you're just drop back, drop back,
• 40:38
  Speaker 6: drop back, like, these defenses have gotten really exotic and
• 40:41
  Speaker 6: really creative of how to get to the quarterback, and it's.
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: Just a lot. It's a tough way to live. So
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: it's a tough way.
• 40:47
  Speaker 3: So because of this trend, would you say the value
• 40:49
  Speaker 3: of the running backs is going up because it's it's
• 40:53
  Speaker 3: decreased over the last ten Yeah.
• 40:55
  Speaker 6: Maybe I don't know if it's necessarily about the running
• 40:57
  Speaker 6: backs individually, but sure, I think you can make that argument.
• 41:00
  Speaker 6: But I think in general, it's just you can't get
• 41:04
  Speaker 6: into third and long against these defensive guys anymore. Like
• 41:07
  Speaker 6: if you're going up against the Mike McDonald in the
• 41:09
  Speaker 6: playoff game or Super Bowl and you're in third and eight,
• 41:12
  Speaker 6: third and nine, third and ten all the time, he
• 41:15
  Speaker 6: is going to make you pay. And that's exactly what
• 41:18
  Speaker 6: we saw in the Super Bowl. You don't every coach
• 41:22
  Speaker 6: is talking about like you don't want to be just
• 41:24
  Speaker 6: dropping back, like you want to be able to play
• 41:27
  Speaker 6: early down offense, to run the football script, play actions
• 41:30
  Speaker 6: off of the running game, move the pocket, like, do
• 41:33
  Speaker 6: all these different things that kind of put to bed
• 41:35
  Speaker 6: all those third down pressures.
• 41:37
  Speaker 3: As you can see, the both teams are warming up
• 41:39
  Speaker 3: right now. The Patriots will be in their blues today, yeah,
• 41:42
  Speaker 3: and I'm assuming the Eagles will be in white. I
• 41:46
  Speaker 3: can't see so, but there in anything but that, it'll
• 41:49
  Speaker 3: be tough for the color blind.
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: Just to jump off of what Evan said too.
• 41:52
  Speaker 5: I mean, Vic Fangio is here today and he's you know,
• 41:54
  Speaker 5: one of the godfathers of this kind of NFL evolution
• 41:57
  Speaker 5: with you know, showing two high looks. Everything comes out
• 42:00
  Speaker 5: of too high and then it rotates into something different
• 42:03
  Speaker 5: post snap, and that's you know, that feeds into Drake
• 42:05
  Speaker 5: here in the second year, recognizing those rotations and those
• 42:08
  Speaker 5: kind of things. So, you know, I think part of
• 42:10
  Speaker 5: the answer to Fred is can you beat these looks? Like, Yeah,
• 42:12
  Speaker 5: if you drop it in the if you drop it
• 42:14
  Speaker 5: in the cover tool, you know, and you're able to
• 42:16
  Speaker 5: have that kind of accuracy downfield, you're able to do it.
• 42:18
  Speaker 5: But it's not easy, and that's you know, one of
• 42:21
  Speaker 5: the biggest challenges and probably why today you know, Patriots
• 42:24
  Speaker 5: being able to run the ball a little bit would
• 42:26
  Speaker 5: really help things out.
• 42:27
  Speaker 6: Yeah, Fangio, you know, they play too high a lot
• 42:30
  Speaker 6: they have such a great defensive line that they don't
• 42:32
  Speaker 6: blitz as much as some of the other too high
• 42:34
  Speaker 6: systems do. So they, like Fangio started the sort of
• 42:37
  Speaker 6: the too high tricks, quarters palms, things like that. And
• 42:41
  Speaker 6: then guys like Mike McDonald, Jesse Minter, they took dad
• 42:44
  Speaker 6: and said, well, we don't have Jordan Davis and Jalen
• 42:46
  Speaker 6: Carter and you know, all these dudes up front, so
• 42:49
  Speaker 6: we're gonna start putting in blitzes behind you know, these coverages.
• 42:53
  Speaker 6: And that just took it on its own there. So
• 42:57
  Speaker 6: Fangio deserves a lot of credit, and a lot of
• 42:59
  Speaker 6: the start kind of started because of like the McVay
• 43:02
  Speaker 6: Shanahan tree. So like when half the league is running
• 43:05
  Speaker 6: a wide zone system, and this was sort of the
• 43:08
  Speaker 6: counter to the wide zone system. And and now a
• 43:11
  Speaker 6: lot of defenses run this because so many offenses are
• 43:14
  Speaker 6: running the West Coast stuff.
• 43:15
  Speaker 3: Uh So, while we watch them stretch and warm up here,
• 43:19
  Speaker 3: yesterday's show on Patriots and Filtered ended with a heated
• 43:23
  Speaker 3: debate about uniforms. And I know a lot of you
• 43:26
  Speaker 3: gentlemen are very very I am very passionate.
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: Let's go.
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: It's just it's just the pants man, What would you say?
• 43:32
  Speaker 3: And I've been thinking about this as I watched training camp.
• 43:34
  Speaker 3: A very alternate uniform, a very basic blue almost like
• 43:38
  Speaker 3: what we're wearing right now as a uniform, just basic
• 43:42
  Speaker 3: blue top.
• 43:42
  Speaker 5: It's as fine as long as the old school, as
• 43:45
  Speaker 5: long as the carpet matches the drapes on the uniform.
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: I'm then, I'm that's not what that means, right, The lowers.
• 43:53
  Speaker 5: Have to match the uppers with the striping and uh,
• 43:55
  Speaker 5: you know, but but I don't.
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: I don't hate it.
• 43:57
  Speaker 5: I just I'd love to see the uniforms they won
• 43:59
  Speaker 5: the Super Bowl come back. And I just would the
• 44:02
  Speaker 5: closets that all these NFL teams have now with the
• 44:05
  Speaker 5: every uniform they've ever worn. Like, I just everything should
• 44:09
  Speaker 5: be on the table. If you've worn the uniform in
• 44:11
  Speaker 5: an NFL game in your team history, you can wear
• 44:14
  Speaker 5: it again.
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: I'd love to see that come back and something special
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: for the fans. You show up. What are they wearing?
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: You don't know?
• 44:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah, thing is that Nike has to produce them. Yeah,
• 44:22
  Speaker 3: so they need a little heads up.
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm a little less.
• 44:26
  Speaker 6: Like the Dynasty uniforms is a little less of a
• 44:29
  Speaker 6: thing for me, Like I understand what you say, but
• 44:32
  Speaker 6: I kind of like that it's a different Like that
• 44:35
  Speaker 6: was such an era, and like this is it is
• 44:37
  Speaker 6: a different era, and like we can't just keep on
• 44:39
  Speaker 6: talking about you know, well back in my day, you know,
• 44:42
  Speaker 6: Tom Brady won six Super Bowls?
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: Like how long are we going to do that?
• 44:45
  Speaker 7: Like do the Niners get around of crap for changing
• 44:47
  Speaker 7: their uniforms when they were wanted winning all those Super Bowls? Yes,
• 44:50
  Speaker 7: but I mean you were No, I don't know, I
• 44:55
  Speaker 7: don't don't. Yeah, but that was kindest question than a
• 44:57
  Speaker 7: ben a snark.
• 44:59
  Speaker 6: I would just like our current uniform to match the
• 45:03
  Speaker 6: current pants that they are wearing. I don't really care
• 45:07
  Speaker 6: which generation of jersey it is or anything like that,
• 45:11
  Speaker 6: but the fact that we're wearing the old pants with
• 45:14
  Speaker 6: the new blue jersey, it drives me crazy like that, like,
• 45:18
  Speaker 6: we can do better.
• 45:19
  Speaker 7: So I'm gonna let everybody behind the curtain as soon
• 45:22
  Speaker 7: as we finished yesterday. I just I'm being afraid, just
• 45:24
  Speaker 7: started laughing at Mike and Evan because we totally did
• 45:27
  Speaker 7: it on purpose.
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: We knew it was gonna true. Anytime. I'm ready to go,
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: I'm here.
• 45:33
  Speaker 7: Yes, I do understand what Evans lament is about the
• 45:37
  Speaker 7: fact that the stripes are not the same we do.
• 45:39
  Speaker 7: We do all see it, and we were just kind
• 45:41
  Speaker 7: of triggering everybody.
• 45:42
  Speaker 4: Now I can't unsee it right.
• 45:44
  Speaker 3: Good, neither can I. Now you welcome to my health
• 45:47
  Speaker 3: Curtis and Saint Louis. Two part question have you seen
• 45:49
  Speaker 3: anything this camp or off season to indicate Treveon Henderson
• 45:53
  Speaker 3: has improved in the past blocking game?
• 45:56
  Speaker 4: Second part? Your choice? What do you think or what
• 45:59
  Speaker 4: do you want the split to be between Remandre and.
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: Trevion fails like fantasy pilled.
• 46:04
  Speaker 5: Yes, I just I still think it leans Remondre sixty
• 46:08
  Speaker 5: forty maybe at least, But I just think Vermondre is
• 46:12
  Speaker 5: an all around back that can do it all. Paul
• 46:15
  Speaker 5: has pointed out his excellent past protection many times on
• 46:20
  Speaker 5: the post game show. You know, it's just there's nothing
• 46:23
  Speaker 5: that there's no situation that you can't have Vermondra Stevenson
• 46:26
  Speaker 5: in there for. And I still don't know about Treyon.
• 46:29
  Speaker 5: To answer the question, I don't. I haven't, you know,
• 46:31
  Speaker 5: I think that's a hard thing to pick up.
• 46:33
  Speaker 7: I haven't liked what I've seen as a past protector's
• 46:36
  Speaker 7: very small, very small sample size, but I haven't seen
• 46:40
  Speaker 7: a tremendous improvement.
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: You had a good pick up on Monday.
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: I just I.
• 46:45
  Speaker 6: Guess I see a lot about this, and it's usually
• 46:48
  Speaker 6: from the fantasy community about how Treyvon Henderson should be
• 46:51
  Speaker 6: playing more than Remondre. This that the other thing, there's
• 46:54
  Speaker 6: no doubt that he is a more dynamic, no no
• 46:56
  Speaker 6: question player in terms of speed. But if you objectively
• 47:00
  Speaker 6: you watch the last eight to ten games of the
• 47:03
  Speaker 6: Patriots season last year, and you watch more snaps and
• 47:06
  Speaker 6: you watch Travon Henderson's snaps, I don't know how you
• 47:09
  Speaker 6: come from to any different conclusion. Besides, Vermondre is the
• 47:11
  Speaker 6: better player right now, Like maybe Travon Henderson passes him eventually,
• 47:16
  Speaker 6: but just every all encompassing whether it's you know, running
• 47:20
  Speaker 6: the ball between the tackles, the passing game, whatever, it
• 47:24
  Speaker 6: just it was very, very stark that that Ramondre Stevenson
• 47:27
  Speaker 6: was a better player down the stretch last year than
• 47:29
  Speaker 6: Travon Henderson, which is why he played more and played
• 47:32
  Speaker 6: basically the entire playoffs as like a one man show
• 47:35
  Speaker 6: in the backfield. So I just kind of like, I
• 47:37
  Speaker 6: don't really understand where all of it is coming from.
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: And I don't really see it. Sorry, it's fantasy, Yeah
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: I don't.
• 47:43
  Speaker 5: I just I don't see a world in which Travon
• 47:45
  Speaker 5: Henderson surpasses Fromandra Stevenson.
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: I just he's a smaller back, he's fast.
• 47:49
  Speaker 5: I think he has a use, but it seems more
• 47:52
  Speaker 5: specific to what the situation is than you know, vermondre
• 47:56
  Speaker 5: It doesn't matter. Like if it's a third and long,
• 47:58
  Speaker 5: it's fine. If it's first, you know, third and short,
• 48:00
  Speaker 5: it's fine. Like you know, I just I like the
• 48:03
  Speaker 5: all around back that ramondri is. I like Trevion as
• 48:06
  Speaker 5: that pmplementary piece, but I'd even like to have a
• 48:09
  Speaker 5: third guy to kind of play with in the mix
• 48:11
  Speaker 5: a little bit, because I just think there's a real
• 48:12
  Speaker 5: disparity between.
• 48:13
  Speaker 7: What was the last time the Patriots had a running
• 48:16
  Speaker 7: back that could hit home runs like Henderson did last year.
• 48:20
  Speaker 6: I mean maybe like Deon Lewis probably have.
• 48:23
  Speaker 7: To go back that far. Yeah, yeah, So I love
• 48:27
  Speaker 7: what Henderson did as a rookie. I would love to
• 48:28
  Speaker 7: see him be able to duplicate it. I'm a little
• 48:31
  Speaker 7: skeptical that he would because I just think that it's
• 48:33
  Speaker 7: hard to get four fifty plus yard touchdown runs in
• 48:36
  Speaker 7: one season. I think that was abnormal, But I think
• 48:40
  Speaker 7: his skill set, he's he's dynamic. Yeah, so you know
• 48:44
  Speaker 7: if you can get the ball on his hands and
• 48:45
  Speaker 7: get him in space, absolutely.
• 48:47
  Speaker 6: I mean, but I just like, I have no problem
• 48:48
  Speaker 6: with him being that kind of guy.
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: I feel like there's just.
• 48:51
  Speaker 6: Like a push that he needs to be more fantasy
• 48:53
  Speaker 6: thing and and I get it, but you know, everybody
• 48:57
  Speaker 6: wants him to be Jamior Gibbs and maybe maybe eventually
• 49:01
  Speaker 6: he can be in that category. But there's nothing wrong
• 49:04
  Speaker 6: with Like, he's the big play hitter and Ramandre is
• 49:07
  Speaker 6: kind of the workhorse, and they trade off and they
• 49:09
  Speaker 6: get Henderson loose at once or twice a game, and
• 49:12
  Speaker 6: that's how the platoon works, Like I don't as a
• 49:15
  Speaker 6: football team, Like, I don't think there's any problem with that.
• 49:17
  Speaker 7: So I'm going to give you my pick for the
• 49:19
  Speaker 7: mic role that Mike want not the Mike linebacker. Mike
• 49:21
  Speaker 7: Dusau's role that he's really fixated on, sort of the
• 49:24
  Speaker 7: Greg rotent of running backs is Hassan Haskas.
• 49:29
  Speaker 2: I think it is.
• 49:30
  Speaker 7: He shot immediately into sort of the top of that
• 49:35
  Speaker 7: as Evan said, yesterday on PU like that that second group,
• 49:39
  Speaker 7: you know where Jim Miller is over here and Lana
• 49:41
  Speaker 7: Larrison's over here and the son Haskins is carrying the
• 49:44
  Speaker 7: ball with the second group. I think he has a
• 49:46
  Speaker 7: lot of special teams experience, covers kicks, returns kicks. I
• 49:50
  Speaker 7: would be surprised if he didn't get every opportunity to
• 49:53
  Speaker 7: make the team.
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I had to.
• 49:54
  Speaker 6: I wanted to double check because I didn't want to
• 49:56
  Speaker 6: say he was drafted by Mike Rabel and Tennessee fourth
• 49:59
  Speaker 6: round too.
• 50:00
  Speaker 7: Yeah, not like an undrafted rood a fourth round pick
• 50:02
  Speaker 7: out of Michigan.
• 50:03
  Speaker 6: Yeah, and it was really good at Michigan for a
• 50:05
  Speaker 6: season there on one of their good teams. So they
• 50:08
  Speaker 6: have a familiarity with him, and we know how that
• 50:11
  Speaker 6: works with a lot of the variable guys, and they
• 50:14
  Speaker 6: really seem to like him. And he's you know, Paul,
• 50:15
  Speaker 6: you always say that the third running back, you just
• 50:17
  Speaker 6: want him to kind of get what's blocked and not
• 50:19
  Speaker 6: screw up and not fumble. And he's got the size
• 50:21
  Speaker 6: and the profile that that fits that kind of bill.
• 50:24
  Speaker 6: So I think right now, if I did a roster projection,
• 50:27
  Speaker 6: he'd I think he'd be.
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: On if I was doing on right now. Yeah, it's funny.
• 50:32
  Speaker 5: It's Paul As We talked about this stuff all the
• 50:33
  Speaker 5: time about like, you know, they have enough depth there,
• 50:35
  Speaker 5: and we'd say, well, they could always sign a veteran.
• 50:37
  Speaker 2: You know, You've got Haskins as an example. You've got
• 50:39
  Speaker 2: Van Roten as an example.
• 50:41
  Speaker 5: You've got day Kwon Jones and Jack Thompson come in,
• 50:43
  Speaker 5: like all guys who had they signed them in the offseason.
• 50:46
  Speaker 2: You'll be like, that's a good, good, solid signing, you know,
• 50:48
  Speaker 2: good NFL player. This guy will provide depth.
• 50:50
  Speaker 5: But it just shows that the team building process continues
• 50:52
  Speaker 5: into camp and even if you're a little bit concerned
• 50:55
  Speaker 5: about depth, there are some guys out there that you
• 50:57
  Speaker 5: can bring in the.
• 50:57
  Speaker 4: You know, Fred Kirsh really right, you can.
• 51:03
  Speaker 2: Always get guys.
• 51:03
  Speaker 7: He was, I'm sorry, that was the wisdom you imparted
• 51:07
  Speaker 7: on me early on.
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: He would always find guys earlier. So I think he's
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: trying to you know that.
• 51:15
  Speaker 2: But it is true.
• 51:18
  Speaker 3: How they start the summer is not how they end it,
• 51:20
  Speaker 3: you know, in terms of the full roster.
• 51:22
  Speaker 5: I think it's a real thing too though, with some
• 51:23
  Speaker 5: of the veterans being like yeah, man, I'm not doing
• 51:26
  Speaker 5: the first two weeks of camp. Like here, I'm all
• 51:28
  Speaker 5: set with you know, the non padded days and the
• 51:30
  Speaker 5: you know early days of pads when you're just getting
• 51:32
  Speaker 5: you know, they want to come in about now, have
• 51:35
  Speaker 5: a few practices, and then get right.
• 51:36
  Speaker 3: Into Yeah, the Eagles were down on the lower practice
• 51:39
  Speaker 3: field they come to when they enter the join the
• 51:42
  Speaker 3: Patriots on the two upper fields, like west Side story, right,
• 51:45
  Speaker 3: welcome to the I was gonna say, of the new facility,
• 51:48
  Speaker 3: they're gonna start, They're gonna start singing and dance when you're.
• 51:53
  Speaker 2: Snapping their fingers up there. It's very intimidating.
• 51:57
  Speaker 6: It's fine, was fine Helicopter.
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: I have that song stuck in my head from whatever
• 52:05
  Speaker 2: that Super Bowl.
• 52:06
  Speaker 5: Number was, fifty two. That's like me and Seahawks. I
• 52:10
  Speaker 5: can't get that out of my my stupid that one.
• 52:14
  Speaker 6: Somebody brought up the other day about how they're like
• 52:16
  Speaker 6: it's gonna be Banner Knite for Seattle, and like, I've
• 52:18
  Speaker 6: just completely blocked that entire game out of my brain
• 52:21
  Speaker 6: that I don't think it's going to really I know,
• 52:23
  Speaker 6: like that happened, Yeah, Like I have just completely erased
• 52:26
  Speaker 6: that memory.
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: Like it is.
• 52:29
  Speaker 2: I did too.
• 52:29
  Speaker 3: It didn't happen, and it was kind of easy to
• 52:31
  Speaker 3: erase because it wasn't that sudden joke like a lot
• 52:35
  Speaker 3: of the losses and Super Bowls were for the page.
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: They weren't even supposed to really be there.
• 52:39
  Speaker 4: It was.
• 52:39
  Speaker 3: It was just a slow death throughout the game, so
• 52:43
  Speaker 3: you never really had me hope. It was easy to
• 52:45
  Speaker 3: just wash it away.
• 52:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there's Jalen Harding. I think it's as hopeful as
• 52:49
  Speaker 2: I got.
• 52:49
  Speaker 5: Was like I think the first like drive they moved
• 52:52
  Speaker 5: the ball a little bit, you know, I was like okay,
• 52:54
  Speaker 5: and then from there it was like no.
• 52:57
  Speaker 3: And then the moment you had a little hope break
• 52:59
  Speaker 3: through the interception and that was it.
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: It was just like a little house money. That was
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: house money.
• 53:03
  Speaker 6: Like they were a year or two even before, you know,
• 53:06
  Speaker 6: ahead of schedule, and like it didn't hurt like the
• 53:09
  Speaker 6: Brady Ones.
• 53:09
  Speaker 5: Now it's still it's still just crazy to me that
• 53:12
  Speaker 5: after everything they went through the last couple of years,
• 53:14
  Speaker 5: that all of a sudden, of all the teams in
• 53:16
  Speaker 5: the a f C, which the a f C has
• 53:18
  Speaker 5: just been, you know, so impressive with the quarterbacks they've had,
• 53:20
  Speaker 5: that that they somehow made it.
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: Oh the booze for Jordan, Mamama.
• 53:27
  Speaker 2: Give him the mataz so Mackay Lemon, I guess practice
• 53:34
  Speaker 2: I got a hamstring.
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: I didn't think he was going to I wasn't sure,
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: but one.
• 53:38
  Speaker 2: Of them is not not healthy. We should have him
• 53:40
  Speaker 2: come up here and just stare at the camera, you know,
• 53:41
  Speaker 2: like he did it. He was staring at the man.
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: Jordan Mylotta is just like a hoss now.
• 53:48
  Speaker 6: I would just if Will Campbell turned into anything close
• 53:50
  Speaker 6: to that, Jordan.
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: Mylott, I would be so happy.
• 53:52
  Speaker 2: Look at this, Look at the side.
• 53:54
  Speaker 7: Lane Johnson and Morgan Moses like, that's too like NFL.
• 53:58
  Speaker 7: I think tackles they've seen some stuff now.
• 54:01
  Speaker 6: I think you can make the case that Lanine Johnson's
• 54:03
  Speaker 6: still the best tackle in football him or or Williams
• 54:07
  Speaker 6: in San Francisco.
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: I mean they're they're now.
• 54:10
  Speaker 4: Now Campbell spent some time with him.
• 54:12
  Speaker 6: Yeah, yep, with Tristan Wharfs, Dion Dawkins, Lane Johnson. We
• 54:16
  Speaker 6: can't learn from a better trio than that. Really, But
• 54:18
  Speaker 6: that was that a camp was that? It just an
• 54:21
  Speaker 6: impromptu get together.
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: Like a little bit of both, a little bit of both.
• 54:25
  Speaker 6: I think they they hung out and they did some
• 54:28
  Speaker 6: some ball talks, some not you know, extracurriculars.
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: I'm sure as well.
• 54:32
  Speaker 6: Some beers were probably drunk, and you know, they just
• 54:35
  Speaker 6: kind of told try to help him out a little bit.
• 54:38
  Speaker 6: Because I think that was one of the cool things
• 54:40
  Speaker 6: about Campbell's Like the whole offensive line community after the
• 54:43
  Speaker 6: Super Bowl, I think felt so bad for him because
• 54:45
  Speaker 6: it's this rookie in the Super Bowl that got his
• 54:47
  Speaker 6: butt kicked, and a lot of those guys kind of
• 54:49
  Speaker 6: like gave him a hug, you know, like they all
• 54:52
  Speaker 6: kind of embraced them and and said, you know, tried
• 54:54
  Speaker 6: to help him out. Even Deon Dawkins, who's on a
• 54:57
  Speaker 6: division rival, is trying to help him out. So that's
• 55:00
  Speaker 6: pretty cool.
• 55:00
  Speaker 2: I thought it was interesting.
• 55:01
  Speaker 5: I've listening to Will Campbell the other day and he
• 55:03
  Speaker 5: said the same thing that you've been saying all off
• 55:05
  Speaker 5: season of just trying to, you know, change up some
• 55:08
  Speaker 5: of his techniques and throw different things at the pass
• 55:10
  Speaker 5: rushers and not be so predictable. Uh, you know, we'll
• 55:13
  Speaker 5: see you get I love That's what I like about
• 55:15
  Speaker 5: the immediate tests with Seattle.
• 55:16
  Speaker 2: You'll get an immediate feedback on how that's going.
• 55:18
  Speaker 3: So you're seeing the offensive line go through their position drills,
• 55:22
  Speaker 3: getting ready for team drills back in Dante's Inferno.
• 55:27
  Speaker 4: Here's some cheering in the background.
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, wide receiver, cornerback.
• 55:33
  Speaker 2: We're not allowed to show those, is that what?
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: Davonte Smith?
• 55:37
  Speaker 6: Will Campbell Deavante Smith just beat Carlton Davis on a
• 55:41
  Speaker 6: go route down here.
• 55:42
  Speaker 4: Okay, so you keep your eye on that, Evan I will.
• 55:46
  Speaker 6: Yes, I'm waiting for the offensive and defensive line to
• 55:49
  Speaker 6: get started, but they're still going through warm up.
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: It seems you.
• 55:52
  Speaker 5: Got eyes on on on Jordan Davis there and ken Ja.
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: I mean it's hard to miss them there. Yeah.
• 55:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, those was the story for me today.
• 56:01
  Speaker 5: Well, it's interesting they're doing receivers and cornerbacks and linebackers
• 56:05
  Speaker 5: and backs, but not doing the the one on ones
• 56:07
  Speaker 5: offensive defensive line offensive.
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: That was weird as well.
• 56:11
  Speaker 2: Maybe they'll do that tomorrow. Yeah, they'll only do one
• 56:14
  Speaker 2: day or though, I don't know.
• 56:15
  Speaker 8: There's Drake May I think that was Veto that was yeah, okay, yeah,
• 56:22
  Speaker 8: Kobe Prentiss back in the story connection back in the.
• 56:25
  Speaker 5: Mix, Oh that's not that's check Wester was struggling get away.
• 56:30
  Speaker 2: Christian, Sam is still kicking around league.
• 56:31
  Speaker 6: Huh Christian, that Christian, I have believed you to Vito
• 56:39
  Speaker 6: doing a little dribble.
• 56:42
  Speaker 2: The dobbs too far inside? Yeah that snap, Wow, that
• 56:45
  Speaker 2: snap ruined that timing.
• 56:47
  Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, Tommy to chains. Now these are fun. This
• 56:50
  Speaker 5: is why this is such a great take. If you're
• 56:52
  Speaker 5: a fan, Uh, come down and watch these. I mean
• 56:54
  Speaker 5: right into it. It's not like you have to sit
• 56:56
  Speaker 5: through a couple of periods. It can't stop turn.
• 56:59
  Speaker 6: I would just say with wide receiver CB one on ones,
• 57:02
  Speaker 6: like you get one move, like like these guys that'd
• 57:05
  Speaker 6: run these double moves.
• 57:06
  Speaker 7: And like you see that, Like no, you get one move,
• 57:09
  Speaker 7: Like Drake was gonna throw it and then he's like
• 57:12
  Speaker 7: waiting and then he just throws it and there's like
• 57:13
  Speaker 7: nobody on Douglas, Like I don't know what happened there.
• 57:16
  Speaker 3: From the crowd, it looks like the defender went one
• 57:20
  Speaker 3: way and the receiver went to the other.
• 57:24
  Speaker 2: Now these are fun. I mean, I don't know how
• 57:26
  Speaker 2: much you really read into this stuff, but nothing fun to.
• 57:28
  Speaker 4: Watch unless unless the receiver just drops it.
• 57:31
  Speaker 2: You read nothing, Yeah, I lead more.
• 57:33
  Speaker 6: You know, the offensive and defensive line pass RUSS stuff
• 57:35
  Speaker 6: I think is important.
• 57:37
  Speaker 2: Evan and his.
• 57:39
  Speaker 6: Well, I think it's important because that that type of
• 57:42
  Speaker 6: stuff is very technical and you know, you get matchups
• 57:45
  Speaker 6: and you can see body types on body types and
• 57:48
  Speaker 6: things like that. I think with the receivers, they just
• 57:50
  Speaker 6: have so much space, like they have the whole field
• 57:53
  Speaker 6: to run through, and you should be completing like ninety
• 57:57
  Speaker 6: percent of the wide receiver one on ones. If you're not,
• 58:00
  Speaker 6: if you're having a tough day wide receiver wise in
• 58:02
  Speaker 6: this drill, then then that's not good.
• 58:05
  Speaker 2: Just time to shine in this drill.
• 58:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah, very hard to win if you're the defender in
• 58:11
  Speaker 3: these drills or if it gets overthrown like that.
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: Henry Yeah, Matt Collins.
• 58:21
  Speaker 5: Yeah, now that's interesting. They break the two days up.
• 58:24
  Speaker 5: I mean, I'm sure we'll probably do a you know,
• 58:26
  Speaker 5: a competitive kind of too.
• 58:28
  Speaker 6: Let's play he's really good at that route, his inside
• 58:32
  Speaker 6: release and then come fade back outside and stack the
• 58:36
  Speaker 6: Super Bowl the Super Bowl touchdown.
• 58:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he's really good.
• 58:39
  Speaker 2: At that route.
• 58:41
  Speaker 5: Williams Kyle, Yeah, a little more juice here with the Eagles,
• 58:46
  Speaker 5: a little more. I mean, no disrespect to the Colts
• 58:48
  Speaker 5: that I think they're a pretty good team too.
• 58:49
  Speaker 2: But the Eagle's got a lot of guys play colts
• 58:55
  Speaker 2: are pretty talented. Yeah, yeah, we gotta want something blocking here.
• 59:00
  Speaker 4: I don't know.
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: This Eagles team, to me is one of the best
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: rosters in the league.
• 59:04
  Speaker 4: Though.
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: This is they're stacked.
• 59:07
  Speaker 2: Where's Howie Roseman? Yeah, I don't know, going around, loved
• 59:12
  Speaker 2: making calls.
• 59:13
  Speaker 4: He's making calls, making moves.
• 59:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's my kind of guy.
• 59:18
  Speaker 2: You gotta come up.
• 59:18
  Speaker 5: So yeah, they're just I guess they're kind of working
• 59:20
  Speaker 5: on the pad, not quite as exciting, but.
• 59:22
  Speaker 1: We're we're like kind of trickling over.
• 59:25
  Speaker 7: He did a little spin move and almost you see that. Yeah,
• 59:28
  Speaker 7: is that my guy? My guy Gainer.
• 59:30
  Speaker 2: Now, guys, I might be misben remembering this.
• 59:33
  Speaker 5: So, but we were down at Philly for joint practices
• 59:35
  Speaker 5: with these guys a few years ago, and I to.
• 59:37
  Speaker 6: Remember twenty nineteen, My lotta was like a low round
• 59:40
  Speaker 6: pick was seventh round and yet like I just remember
• 59:43
  Speaker 6: seeing like that guy is huge, seventh round pick. It
• 59:46
  Speaker 6: was like Ozzie rules or rugby or something like that.
• 59:48
  Speaker 2: They didn't play football.
• 59:50
  Speaker 6: Seventh round pick and Jeff Stotlin, their offensive line coaches,
• 59:53
  Speaker 6: like their Dante Scarnicky has.
• 59:54
  Speaker 2: Turned him into like the best line.
• 59:56
  Speaker 5: It's so interesting because I remember looking at me like,
• 59:58
  Speaker 5: this guy is enormous, and clearly they got up too.
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 2: Oh, hold on in there, Yeah, punch out away got.
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 4: To you gotta keep your hands on it.
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 6: Yeah, Stalin's not with them anymore. They changed offensive coordinators
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 6: and he's you know.
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 2: They were too good. They He's developed.
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 1: Apparently like a Hall of Fame level line.
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 2: Coad's like when you get Dontey Scarneckia, you hold on to.
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 3: All right, de Gennaro one minute left in the show,
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 3: when I'm told this period's going to be over. We're
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 3: not allowed to film after period five, so but we'll
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 3: be back tomorrow at nine to forty five and we'll
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 3: talk about everything we saw today for the remainder of
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 3: the practice.
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 4: Obviously it's going to heat up a little bit.
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll do a camp cast after us as well,
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 2: so give you a nicer little recaps. The practice is over.
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 5: For sure, so that'll be up shortly after twelve fifteen
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 5: when things wrap up.
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 3: All right, Well, thank you for watching today. For Paul myself,
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 3: Evan Deuce, we will see you tomorrow here on Patriots Unfiltered.
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