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"Truth In The Unknown" with Brian J. Corey of Necronomicast · Caught on the Mike...

0:20
SPEAKER_00: Once again, we find ourselves in the Halloween season looking for the truth in the unknown.
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SPEAKER_00: Apparently, sponsored to places don't UFO's fixed foot conspiracy theories, all of these topics seem to spark more interest this time of year.
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SPEAKER_00: And with good reasons.
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SPEAKER_00: My next guest is a podcast host whose podcast, the Necronomicast, covers all of these topics and more, including true crime.
0:48
SPEAKER_00: I'm super excited to have fellow musician and friend Brian J.
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SPEAKER_00: Corey joining me on the podcast today.
0:56
SPEAKER_00: Here's to getting the Halloween season off on the right foot.
1:00
SPEAKER_00: Ladies and gentlemen, this is caught on the mic.
1:15
SPEAKER_00: Brian J.
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SPEAKER_00: Corey from Necronomicast.
1:18
SPEAKER_02: How the heck are you, man?
1:20
SPEAKER_02: I'm doing really good.
1:21
SPEAKER_02: Uh I am so excited to be a part of your program.
1:23
SPEAKER_02: Uh you do a great job, and I'm really looking forward to this conversation, Mike.
1:27
SPEAKER_00: Oh, thank you very much.
1:28
SPEAKER_00: Thank you very much, sir.
1:29
SPEAKER_00: It's uh words of encouragement from gentlemen such as yourself that keeps it going for me.
1:36
SPEAKER_00: Right right on, man.
1:37
SPEAKER_00: We all need a pat on the back.
1:38
SPEAKER_00: Right.
1:39
SPEAKER_00: Absolutely, absolutely.
1:40
SPEAKER_00: Now, one of the things that you and I share in common, and uh you still have a foot in the music world.
1:47
SPEAKER_00: I don't any longer, but we both kind of come from the band world, and now we're like deeply entrenched into the podcast world.
1:54
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, we're progressing as old men, I think it is, right?
1:57
SPEAKER_00: Is that kind of is that what it is?
1:59
SPEAKER_00: Is it the old guy thing to do?
2:01
SPEAKER_02: I don't know.
2:01
SPEAKER_02: I don't think I that's kind of a joke, but uh you know, my my clubbing days and playing in punk clubs, you know, and you know, I'm done with my feet sticking to places on the floor to the floor, like places like Cog Factory and things like that.
2:15
SPEAKER_02: You know, I I much prefer you know sitting in my little studio here and you know conversing with the world.
2:20
SPEAKER_02: Um, but yeah, yeah, the the music I I know you were super heavily involved and it had a lot of ton of successful groups and and you had your share of the limelight and and and all that.
2:30
SPEAKER_02: And you know, I did myself too.
2:32
SPEAKER_02: And it's uh it's uh they're great memories, man.
2:35
SPEAKER_02: It's it's great.
2:35
SPEAKER_02: You know, I'm 46 now, and you know, it's my rock band and and punk band and ska band days are probably behind me.
2:44
SPEAKER_00: So it's it's funny because I'm sure you get it too, where at least once a year somebody tries to get you to crawl out of the woodwork and do it again.
2:51
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that kind of thing, sure.
2:53
SPEAKER_02: And I'm I'm happy that oh, a number of years ago, uh I was in a ska band called Jimmy Scaffa, and we had a 25, I think it was, or was our 20-year reunion?
3:01
SPEAKER_02: 25, 20-year reunion, but we're having another one next year, and uh I'm gonna be a part of that in somehow.
3:10
SPEAKER_02: I mean, Dan Stewart, you know Dan, he's putting that together.
3:12
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that'll be a good uh a good thing.
3:14
SPEAKER_02: I I played at that new jazz club last year, um, the Jewel here in Omaha.
3:19
SPEAKER_02: That was a lot of fun.
3:20
SPEAKER_02: But most of the time, man, it's just uh church and weddings and and gigs like that right now for my my trumpet playing.
3:25
SPEAKER_00: So let's talk a little bit about Necronomicast.
3:29
SPEAKER_00: Why don't you explain to my listeners what your podcast is all about?
3:33
SPEAKER_02: Oh, thanks.
3:34
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
3:34
SPEAKER_02: Necronomicast, uh, it started in 2011, believe it or not.
3:39
SPEAKER_02: And you know him, I know him, but there is your your listeners won't.
3:44
SPEAKER_02: Um, his name's Wayne Brecke, and Wayne in Omaha was known as the Pod Father.
3:50
SPEAKER_02: He really embraced podcasting, uh, not only just as a way to get information out, and uh he made it an art form here in Omaha.
4:00
SPEAKER_02: I mean, he had the uh Worlds of Wayne, which lasted a real long time, and I still prod him once in a while to you know kind of resurrect it back up.
4:07
SPEAKER_02: And he's an entrepreneur and he's always got you know different different things going on, cooking in his life.
4:12
SPEAKER_02: But he started with a guy named Tim Welch, uh the Necronomicast, and it started off as a way to discuss their love of horror movies.
4:21
SPEAKER_02: And Tim had an inside track with his um, he was really involved with like independent filmmakers, and so he got a lot of that that kind of guest on the show.
4:31
SPEAKER_02: Uh, he was um really involved with special effects makeup and things like that.
4:34
SPEAKER_02: So they talked about horror movies, they had uh people in the horror industry on.
4:38
SPEAKER_02: Uh, and then a couple years later, uh Wayne tinkered with the show, had some other guys on, and invited me uh kind of as a guest because I was just kind of local Friday the 13th horror film guy.
4:49
SPEAKER_02: Uh, and then we all fell in love with each other and he asked me to be a co-host.
4:53
SPEAKER_02: Uh, then I kind of was a producer of that for a while.
4:56
SPEAKER_02: And then just as things, you know, progressed in life, uh, I was thinking about starting my own show, and Wayne was kind of getting out of it.
5:05
SPEAKER_02: Uh, and so we chatted, and he's like, why don't you just take it over and and kind of rebrand it as your own thing instead of starting from scratch?
5:12
SPEAKER_02: And so uh I was really glad when him and his wife, Lori, offered me the opportunity to take over Necronomicast and kind of make it my own with their blessing.
5:20
SPEAKER_02: And uh, I've just been rocking and rolling ever since.
5:22
SPEAKER_00: And what kind of topics are you covering now with Necronomicast?
5:26
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, the tagline uh for the show is the horror of Hollywood and beyond.
5:32
SPEAKER_02: So we talk about uh I talk about you know horror movies, but the the beyond part is like what inspires horror movies, you know, like the true stories, the true crime, paranormal topics.
5:44
SPEAKER_02: And frankly, with COVID, um, there wasn't a lot of movies to talk about, like a lot of new movies and things like that.
5:50
SPEAKER_02: So I've been really having uh leaning heavily on paranormal topics and authors and thinkers and writers.
5:59
SPEAKER_02: Uh, true crime had a uh just a really good year, a good solid year, I think, of guests for the true crime and things like that.
6:06
SPEAKER_02: I had a psychotherapist on talking about the Chris Watts murders.
6:10
SPEAKER_02: My favorite uh episode, uh beginning of the year, was with a guy named Scott James, and he wrote a book about the nightclub fire, the great white nightclub fire at the station nightclub.
6:22
SPEAKER_02: Uh wow.
6:22
SPEAKER_02: Just just yeah, fantastic, fascinating story.
6:25
SPEAKER_02: And he wrote such a masterful book about it.
6:27
SPEAKER_02: So it that kind of also ignited some of my musical ideas too, you know, talking about you know, all of our days, Mike, you know, I'm playing in clubs and and you know, and cheap pyrotechnics and and and studio foam that might be flammable or it might not be.
6:42
SPEAKER_02: Who knows?
6:43
SPEAKER_02: You know, I it that was that was a really interesting episode, but I try and keep uh kind of the things that inspire horror movies, kind of the darker side of things.
6:52
SPEAKER_02: Uh that that just seems interesting to me.
6:54
SPEAKER_02: I've had an interest in paranormal and things like that ever since I was a small boy.
6:58
SPEAKER_00: So I think we come from that generation where it really kind of apexed for us.
7:03
SPEAKER_00: Like horror movies really peaked in the 80s, where the greatest characters were born, realistically.
7:09
SPEAKER_02: Sure, it's the god, it's the like the modern golden age of horror.
7:13
SPEAKER_02: I mean, like you think about the universal and even the hammer films, right?
7:16
SPEAKER_02: You know, they had all the great Dracula, Wolfman, on and on and on.
7:20
SPEAKER_02: Now we have uh Jason Voorhees, Freddy Kruger, Michael Myers, Pinhead.
7:25
SPEAKER_02: Michael Myers has got a movie coming out next week, you know, for Pete's sake with Halloween kills.
7:29
SPEAKER_02: So yeah, we the 80s were such a great time for special effects.
7:35
SPEAKER_02: I mean, me and my friends, we knew about Freddie Krueger and Michael Myers, but we also knew about oh Stan Winston and Tom Savini and uh Kevin Yeager, the great special effects makeup artists that that created all that shit and and the directors of the time too.
7:49
SPEAKER_02: And it was really an exciting time, a great time uh to sneak into R-rated films when you're 12, 13, 14 years old, you know.
7:59
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
7:59
SPEAKER_00: Now now we uh now we let our kids watch it with discretion.
8:03
SPEAKER_00: I think my son, who's 12, he threatened me with oh man, almost certain death if I watch Halloween kills without him.
8:11
SPEAKER_02: So that no, no shit, dude.
8:13
SPEAKER_02: That just happened to me tonight.
8:14
SPEAKER_02: I was talking to my son because I bought pre-tickets already to go see it next week with some friends of mine.
8:19
SPEAKER_02: And I've been trying to initiate him into the world of horror.
8:23
SPEAKER_02: Now my daughter's yeah, see, okay, good.
8:26
SPEAKER_02: We got something more in common than I even knew.
8:28
SPEAKER_02: Uh my son, we watched uh starting beginning of the year, sort of, we started watching all he watched all the um Friday the 13th films, and now we're uh we watch all the Halloween films, except we didn't watch the Rob Zombie ones because he's 12, and I'm like, those are a little yeah.
8:47
SPEAKER_02: I mean, those are Halloween 4, yeah, people get chopped up in that one, but it's not like the Rob Zombie ones.
8:53
SPEAKER_02: So right.
8:54
SPEAKER_02: But uh uh and now and now we're about halfway through the Freddie Kruger saga, and and it's when he watched the first eight of Friday the 13th, I actually bought him the uh Blu-ray DVD eight film set and kind of gave it to him as like a graduation gift, you know.
9:09
SPEAKER_02: Like, here you are, son.
9:11
SPEAKER_02: You know, take it, take this and use it wisely.
9:13
SPEAKER_00: So let's talk about the paranormal a little bit because about a year ago, actually exactly a year ago this week, I had a mutual friend Johnny Hauser on my podcast.
9:24
SPEAKER_02: Oh, he's great.
9:25
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, Johnny's a good, good dude.
9:27
SPEAKER_00: And we actually recorded the episode at the Velisca Axe Burner House.
9:31
SPEAKER_02: I gotta give you some props on that one because my latest episode that just dropped last week of the Necronomicest, I investigated.
9:38
SPEAKER_02: I mean, excuse me, I interviewed an investigator recorded inside the Malvern Murder.
9:43
SPEAKER_00: Malvern Manor.
9:44
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yes, and that's exactly where I was going with this is Malvern Manor, Velisca Axe Murder House, right, ball cemetery, and is there something about the Midwest, or is it just boredom?
9:59
SPEAKER_02: That's a that's a really good question.
10:00
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I mean, when we talk about Velisca Axe Murder House, when we talk about the Malvern Manor, when we talk about places like even in St.
10:08
SPEAKER_02: Joe, Beattie Mansion, uh, the Sally House, the uh the McInter Villa in Atkinson, Kansas, those places just wellsprings of history, first of all.
10:21
SPEAKER_02: You know, if you don't believe in ghosts and things like that, fine.
10:24
SPEAKER_02: But the history and how it lives on uh through the stories uh of the community, uh vastly important.
10:30
SPEAKER_02: So if there's no such things of these as these ghosts and phenomena that we investigate, uh the stories just live on on the on their own without any kind of uh spirit after death kind of a thing.
10:41
SPEAKER_02: But yeah, the Midwest, I I there's a lot of crazy stuff in Iowa, man.
10:45
SPEAKER_02: The Ferrar Schoolhouse.
10:46
SPEAKER_02: I was just there uh a couple months ago um again for an event.
10:50
SPEAKER_02: And it's just amazing that these uh these jewels of paranormal activity uh and history are just you know 90 minutes away, two hours away, an hour away.
11:01
SPEAKER_02: It's just it's we live in a real uh crazy.
11:04
SPEAKER_02: I call it on my show, The Haunted Heartland.
11:07
SPEAKER_02: And and that's dude, that's the truth for real.
11:09
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's a that's a really fair assessment because I mean there's other places that have some sort of folklore attached to them, Hummel Park, you know, and I I had mentioned I had mentioned Ball Cemetery, and there was a really good episode of the Unsolved Mysteries podcast that covered that.
11:27
SPEAKER_00: I don't know if you ever listened to that.
11:28
SPEAKER_02: Oh, yeah, I heard that episode uh for real.
11:30
SPEAKER_02: You gotta be, hey listeners, if you're out there, I know even international listeners, if you want to go out to the ball cemetery, you gotta watch out for the caretaker.
11:38
SPEAKER_00: That that old dude does not people coming out to the cemetery.
11:43
SPEAKER_00: We're staying at Kimberly Creek Resort, which is like this little resort area, and it's about 10 minutes away from Ball Cemetery.
11:50
SPEAKER_00: And my wife and I are sitting around the campfire, and I played that Undersolved Mysteries episode, and she was like, We need to get in the car and go there.
11:59
SPEAKER_00: And I'm like, Do you want to be shot at with rock salt?
12:02
SPEAKER_00: Because you're gonna get shot at with rock salt.
12:04
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, do not go out there uh when that cantankerous fellow is prowling around for sure.
12:10
SPEAKER_02: And you know, and bless his heart, he's he he's he's protecting the place, you know.
12:13
SPEAKER_02: I mean, he's he's got his mission to make sure these people rest in peace, you know.
12:17
SPEAKER_00: So talking about this haunted heartland, what's a personal experience that you've had with the paranormal?
12:24
SPEAKER_02: You know, and that's that's I like how you frame that as personal experience because so many of these things I think are almost meant to be personal, uh, they're intimate.
12:32
SPEAKER_02: I have investigated a couple places.
12:35
SPEAKER_02: One place in particular, I'm not I'll tell you off the air.
12:38
SPEAKER_02: I I don't want the place to get bombarded with paranormal guys in black t-shirts uh you know knocking on the door because this is a like a working place of business.
12:46
SPEAKER_02: But uh during COVID, they had a staff working, but the nature of their business, they weren't having uh the nature of the business in operation so much.
12:56
SPEAKER_02: Uh so I called them and I said, Hey, I am a serious paranormal investigator.
13:03
SPEAKER_02: I'm not just gonna go and you know, just uh, you know, be I don't know.
13:08
SPEAKER_02: We all start someplace, but you know, I I wanted to do my history, I wanted to do my research, so I did tons of reading.
13:14
SPEAKER_02: And so when I asked them, I said, you know, I'm just a sing uh a man, not a team, coming out.
13:19
SPEAKER_02: Can I spend the day there or an hour there or something?
13:21
SPEAKER_02: They're like, oh yeah.
13:23
SPEAKER_02: So I went there and they let me from the basement storage up to the very top of this historic building in Omaha.
13:31
SPEAKER_02: And it was very strange, uh surreal experience, but um doors closing.
13:38
SPEAKER_02: I think I was touched.
13:39
SPEAKER_02: And when I say I think I was touched, you know, I I I don't have any proof and and and I and I don't want to have to I don't want to have to have people validate the evidence because maybe they can't, and then they you know, it leads down the roads of non-belief or or just dismissal.
14:00
SPEAKER_02: And I and I don't want to do that.
14:01
SPEAKER_02: But I had uh a door shut on me when I was in this room of the place, and I was like, well, that's interesting.
14:07
SPEAKER_02: Didn't scare me or spook me.
14:08
SPEAKER_02: I thought, well, let's because there's reports of that happening.
14:11
SPEAKER_02: So I'm like, let's open the door again, and I put the door stop down, and I pulled on that door like against the door stop and it wouldn't budge.
14:19
SPEAKER_02: And I sat in there another 20 minutes, and just when I was thinking about leaving again, this big heavy door, door stop, I suppose I didn't see with my eyes, but the door shut and it wasn't like a self-closing kind of a door, it was just a big, heavy old door, old place, and that shut.
14:36
SPEAKER_02: And that really it spooked me out, you know, because it has a reputation of doing that.
14:41
SPEAKER_02: The nature and the history of the room, especially uh what it was used beforehand, uh it was just so I was out of my skin a little bit, not frightened, but just the implications of what we're talking about, Mike.
14:55
SPEAKER_02: I mean, when we're talking about when we're talking about human spirit, your essence, your soul persisting after your bodily death.
15:05
SPEAKER_02: If that's even what we're talking about, because I don't even know what a ghost is.
15:08
SPEAKER_02: I mean, that's I read so much about the paranormal, I don't even know what a ghost is anymore because your mind is just so blown apart by all these different theories and and and the research of that's been going on for hundreds of years.
15:19
SPEAKER_02: So a long-winded answer to your question there.
15:23
SPEAKER_02: A door closed on me a couple times, and but just just the experience of it, you know.
15:28
SPEAKER_02: Um, just it was just really it just kind of like, what is going on here?
15:33
SPEAKER_02: What is this all about?
15:34
SPEAKER_02: You know, it's very strange.
15:35
SPEAKER_02: And and you hear things, EVPs and things like that, and I have theories on that, so but you know, I don't know how much time you got.
15:43
SPEAKER_00: Well, well, that's it.
15:46
SPEAKER_00: So I read a really good quote yesterday, and you know, I've throughout my life, I've kind of hopscotched between believer and non-believer, believer and non-believer.
15:58
SPEAKER_00: And the quote that I read is that we don't have souls, we are souls, but we have bodies.
16:06
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that's fair.
16:07
SPEAKER_02: I can I can accept that.
16:08
SPEAKER_02: Uh, I've heard it explained in a number of ways too.
16:10
SPEAKER_02: Like, here's here's a real simple way.
16:13
SPEAKER_02: Like, think of yourself as a television.
16:17
SPEAKER_02: And Mike Clark, Brian Corey were programs on the television.
16:21
SPEAKER_02: When the television breaks down and you don't know you no longer have the television, the program continues in some form.
16:28
SPEAKER_02: Like, if you get mad and you watching a UFC fight and you put your fist through a television set because you don't like what happens, the television's gone.
16:36
SPEAKER_02: The program, the UFC fight is still happening, it still exists.
16:40
SPEAKER_02: But the television, the vessel, your body, uh, after bodily death, the the the program continues in some form.
16:47
SPEAKER_02: And so maybe that's what people are have been experiencing since humans walked the earth, since the two um sentiment uh sentent cavemen uh were standing around and one died, and the other one's like, What is that all about?
16:59
SPEAKER_02: You know, I mean that's what that's where these questions started, you know.
17:03
SPEAKER_00: So beyond the paranormal and true crime, are you covering other topics on your show, such as you know, extraterrestrial encounters and conspiracy theories?
17:14
SPEAKER_00: And maybe share share with me a little bit about that and some of the guests that you've had on your show in regards to that.
17:20
SPEAKER_02: Sure.
17:21
SPEAKER_02: Uh, in terms of uh UFO phenomenon, I had just a couple episodes ago a gentleman by the name of Ben Hansen, who's a former federal agent, and you might um recognize him if you do a Google search.
17:33
SPEAKER_02: Um, Ben he was a federal agent, a former federal agent.
17:38
SPEAKER_02: And so he's got a different insight in how things are investigated, and he's had a lot of uh remarkable documentaries about alien phenomenon and and Roswell cover-ups and things like that.
17:50
SPEAKER_02: And and uh for conspiracy theories, I have a guy coming up out of Michigan, a guy named Craig Ciccone, and he's like one of the preeminent uh Kennedy assassinologists and also political assassinations of the 1960s.
18:05
SPEAKER_02: Uh and so I'm I'm I'm really boning up on that conversation right now.
18:09
SPEAKER_02: I'm reading um Mark Lane's book, Rush to Judgment, which is all about uh the Warren Commission and what just about the Kennedy assassination, and and it's just so mind-blowing that in this day and age when people are saying, well, the government can't rig elections, I'm not saying election was rigged, but the fact that people are saying an election can't be rigged, or with COVID, you know, we know everything and the science, and we just need to follow the science.
18:39
SPEAKER_02: Hmm, okay.
18:40
SPEAKER_02: Well, I seem to remember that African-American people uh for 40 years were experimented on by the CDC with syphilis, uh, and and a president of the United States was gunned down in front of the world in Dallas, Texas, just what, 60 years ago?
18:56
SPEAKER_02: I mean, it's just, you know, so when we talk about conspiracy theories and things like that, and and people think you wear a tinfoil hat, it's more of just research and and doing mental gymnastics to eliminate to eliminate some of those conspiracy theories.
19:10
SPEAKER_02: But then a lot of these things persist, you know, especially with the Kennedy assassination.
19:13
SPEAKER_02: I mean, my goodness, I mean, uh, a president gunned down in front of the nation, and they're telling us uh that the bullet came from here when it very clearly came from this way, and there's no way Oswald could have shot three shots in that amount of time.
19:28
SPEAKER_02: I mean, I can go on and on about it, but right, you know, I mean, it's it's so fascinating that if you if you listen to the people who do this research and their stories and what they've put together, whether you believe it or not, it's just it's just so incredible to have conversations.
19:45
SPEAKER_02: And I know you feel the same way when you're doing your podcast that you research a topic, but when you get somebody on the air, the conversation that you have with somebody and and the interaction, it just makes it so worthwhile, man.
19:57
SPEAKER_02: So conspiracy theories, UFOs, uh, another great guest that I I could quit this show tomorrow and just be happy in the fact that I that I interviewed Bob Gimlin and Bob Gimlin from the Patterson Gimlin film, the the the Bigfoot footage that was filmed in Bluff Creek, California.
20:14
SPEAKER_02: You know, Roger Patterson died uh many years ago of cancer, but Bob Gimlin is like pushing 90.
20:21
SPEAKER_02: And I had the opportunity to talk to him for over an hour, and what a great old school gentleman he was.
20:26
SPEAKER_02: And and and to talk to him about what Bigfoot is, what it could be, it was just so amazing whether or not you believe it in Bigfoot or Sasquatch or not.
20:38
SPEAKER_02: Just having that conversation with a guy who says, Yeah, it's real.
20:41
SPEAKER_02: I filmed it.
20:42
SPEAKER_02: You know, that's it's so worthwhile.
20:44
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
20:45
SPEAKER_00: And I think that's where I was gonna bring this full circle is um kind of differentiating true paranormal investigators from people that are cosplaying as Ghostbusters, uh intellectual, intellectuals that question things versus fringe conspiracy theorists, uh, people that have fact-supported evidence of UFOs versus people that are telling off the radar abduction stories just maybe because they have a borderline personality disorder or something along those lines.
21:22
SPEAKER_02: Oh, sure.
21:23
SPEAKER_00: You know, as somebody that's hosting a podcast that explores a lot of these topics, where do you find yourself a lot of times?
21:31
SPEAKER_00: Do you question your own sense of belief, or do you question the sense of the belief of some of your guests?
21:37
SPEAKER_00: And I I'm not saying that as a way for you to tarnish your brand in any way, shape, or form, but like, are there moments where you're like, okay, shit, I believe this, or uh it might be a little far fetched.
21:51
SPEAKER_02: Oh boy, good question, Mike.
21:53
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
21:54
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, let's talk about that for a little bit because I try not to have a concrete.
22:00
SPEAKER_02: Create belief system in a lot of this paranormal um anomalistic research and and phenomenons and stuff.
22:07
SPEAKER_02: You know, it's um what we're doing is what we are looking for when you talk paranormal, we're trying to answer the most burning question that man has had since since since recorded time is what happens to us after we die, you know.
22:24
SPEAKER_02: I mean, when you people talk science, and and if I start bouncing around, let me know.
22:28
SPEAKER_02: But when you talk science, you know, like theoretical physics, you know, we know that there's four dimensions.
22:34
SPEAKER_02: Well, what if there's four, why not five?
22:36
SPEAKER_02: Why not six?
22:36
SPEAKER_02: Uh why not seven?
22:38
SPEAKER_02: Why not a hundred?
22:39
SPEAKER_02: You know, uh, that stuff's all super cool and all.
22:42
SPEAKER_02: And if you make a breakthrough in physics, uh, that might help explain like the spin and properties of a quark.
22:47
SPEAKER_02: And if you make a breakthrough in math, it might get you a Nobel Prize in mathematics.
22:51
SPEAKER_02: But if you make a breakthrough in the paranormal researching this kind of phenomenon, you've changed the reality of humankind fundamentally forever.
22:57
SPEAKER_02: And that's how important this stuff is.
22:59
SPEAKER_02: And so I do take I take it seriously.
23:02
SPEAKER_02: You know, uh parapsychology, the study of it and and the evolution of parapsychology, it's where a lot of our soft sciences came from, um, psychology, uh, psychiatry.
23:13
SPEAKER_02: Um, parapsychologists were the first ones to discover or to study like uh recovered memory and post-traumatic stress disorders.
23:20
SPEAKER_02: They were looking to see how the mind deals with these situations and how the brain works.
23:23
SPEAKER_02: And you talk about telepathy.
23:25
SPEAKER_02: Uh there's a guy, Brian David Joseph, and he was a Nobel Prize-winning um physicist, and he spent 40 years stilling telepathy.
23:32
SPEAKER_02: And I think he pretty much proved that it's real.
23:34
SPEAKER_02: He's got evidence.
23:35
SPEAKER_02: I mean, they give him a Nobel Prize and he's got a stamp of himself in England.
23:39
SPEAKER_02: Um I try not to have these concrete beliefs in the paranormal because it ebbs and it flows.
23:47
SPEAKER_02: And if you spend too much time studying like this this this tentacle, you're gonna miss the octopus, you know what I'm saying?
23:54
SPEAKER_02: And it's it's just so crazy interesting.
23:57
SPEAKER_02: And and I do I believe in God.
23:59
SPEAKER_02: I'm a Catholic, and I believe I I believe in that.
24:02
SPEAKER_02: That's that's where I come from.
24:04
SPEAKER_02: And people say, well, Brian, you as a Catholic, how can you believe in ghosts and monsters and UFOs and things like that?
24:11
SPEAKER_02: And I'm like, well, to me, in my circle of thinking, my circular thinking, all things are possible with God.
24:20
SPEAKER_02: And not to go down the God road for your listeners if they're uncomfortable with that, but all things are possible, and I think that's a healthy mindset to have.
24:29
SPEAKER_02: Like I said earlier, believing in ghosts.
24:33
SPEAKER_02: I don't know what a ghost is.
24:34
SPEAKER_02: Is a ghost um a little essence, an invisible essence of ourselves after we die?
24:40
SPEAKER_02: Maybe, maybe, maybe ghostly phenomenon is time travelers, maybe ghostly phenomenon is aliens, maybe Bigfoot out in the forest.
24:49
SPEAKER_02: Why can't we catch him?
24:50
SPEAKER_02: Well, maybe it's he's the ghost of a Neanderthal.
24:53
SPEAKER_02: You know, I mean, like if you want to start getting weird.
24:57
SPEAKER_02: So, you know, but you know, uh not to ramble on and on, but I do like exploring the topics.
25:06
SPEAKER_02: And if things catch my interest and if things make a little bit of, you know, a tumbler clicks into place in my brain, then I'll even explore that a little bit further, man.
25:15
SPEAKER_02: But the the wonders and the mysteries of this world are just we're never gonna figure them out.
25:20
SPEAKER_02: And so that's why I just kind of jump into them and explore them and and then get grounded in my own life with my with the things I do try try to believe in, you know.
25:29
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, for sure.
25:30
SPEAKER_00: So, what's a recent phenomenon that's caught your attention more than anything else?
25:36
SPEAKER_00: What's something that's happened recently that just made you say, huh, I'm gonna look into that?
25:43
SPEAKER_02: Boy, you know, it it it it bounces around like this.
25:46
SPEAKER_02: Um you remember in the summer there was a lot of hype about the government um having disclosure about UFOs.
25:55
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
25:56
SPEAKER_02: And people were really they were really hot and bothered about the government coming out, and there's gonna be disclosure.
26:03
SPEAKER_02: And I thought, well, we'll see what happens.
26:04
SPEAKER_02: And they released like a nine-page report.
26:06
SPEAKER_02: Um I think that there is absolutely the possibility of life on other planets, and I think it's pretty much possible that they might have visited us or continue to visit us.
26:18
SPEAKER_02: Now, do I think they're gonna try and take us over?
26:20
SPEAKER_02: Or do I think that they've come here and and given us us simple human beings like advanced technology and things like that?
26:28
SPEAKER_02: I don't know.
26:28
SPEAKER_02: I mean, Mike, have you ever flown to China to explain math to a cat?
26:32
SPEAKER_02: I mean, why would they do that for us?
26:34
SPEAKER_02: You know, I mean, right it doesn't make it doesn't make a ton of sense, but things that have caught my attention, it's always it's always that kind of thing, like the wonders of the universe, man.
26:44
SPEAKER_02: You know, somebody came out tomorrow and if they said that they shot a Bigfoot and they have a carcass, I mean, that would be huge, groundbreaking, wonderful news.
26:52
SPEAKER_02: But at the same time, I'd be super sad that that such a mythical creature that's captured the imaginations of millions of people over thousands of years uh was shot and killed, you know.
27:04
SPEAKER_02: So I I I always open up these um websites to check weird stories or things like that and the phenomenon.
27:11
SPEAKER_02: And and I have like a healthy sense of not skepticism, but just a healthy sense of I got a good bullshit detector.
27:19
SPEAKER_02: How about that?
27:20
SPEAKER_02: Is that fair to say?
27:21
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
27:22
SPEAKER_02: Absolutely.
27:23
SPEAKER_02: Oh, okay.
27:24
SPEAKER_02: Well, maybe you're just trying to sell a book and more power to you, you know.
27:27
SPEAKER_02: So I don't know.
27:28
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, to kind of answer my own question and throw mine out there.
27:33
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
27:34
SPEAKER_00: The uh the large hadron collider, the CERN super collider, yeah, and the Mandela effect.
27:41
SPEAKER_00: That one's the one that has piqued my interest more than anything else.
27:46
SPEAKER_02: How about that?
27:47
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so I mean, I have you looked into that much or followed.
27:50
SPEAKER_02: Not a lot, just just the cursory stuff that I read that that jumps out at me.
27:54
SPEAKER_02: You know, I haven't done deep diving into that kind of stuff, but like, what about it is like really fascinating to you?
27:58
SPEAKER_02: Like, what are you digging about it?
28:00
SPEAKER_00: So, you know, I I think it's everything from start to finish because there are certain memories that I have that are like I remember it being this way, and then it really happened this other way, like logos appearing differently, and uh the fact that they say that the bulk of it took place after the biggest um activation of the super collider, I think in April of 2012.
28:30
SPEAKER_00: Um, it's weird because I can correlate that to a lot of things that I was going through personally at that time.
28:36
SPEAKER_00: So I'm not gonna go down that road because it's same same thing, same thing as you.
28:41
SPEAKER_00: It's like, how much time do you got?
28:42
SPEAKER_00: I can correlate all of this, but and now in our fifth hour of this episode, ladies and yeah, exactly.
28:48
SPEAKER_00: So that's one thing I will say to my listeners and and and to Brian's listeners.
28:54
SPEAKER_00: Uh Google it, Google the Mandela effect and Google the Large Hadron Collider.
29:00
SPEAKER_00: It will blow your mind.
29:02
SPEAKER_00: And actually, Google Large Hadron Collider April 2012.
29:05
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
29:06
SPEAKER_02: You know, I I remember seeing one of your Facebook posts just the other day when Facebook went down.
29:11
SPEAKER_02: Like afterwards, we're we're talking about the big uh blackout of Facebook 2021.
29:18
SPEAKER_02: How did we all do?
29:20
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, isn't that interesting, you know?
29:22
SPEAKER_02: And and if you think about social media and what a what a what a crazy influence that in such a short amount of time that it's had on society.
29:31
SPEAKER_02: That that's really interesting to me too.
29:33
SPEAKER_02: Like how there's a there's a Tibetan concept called a tulpa.
29:40
SPEAKER_02: Kind of a it's a thought form, it's a paranormal uh occurrence where uh thoughts, reoccurring thoughts, uh feeling, psychical energy kind of congeals or it manifests itself.
29:53
SPEAKER_02: Sometimes people think it manifests itself into evil spirits or ghosts or or or things like that.
29:58
SPEAKER_02: It's just it's a whole kind of a side topic, the Tulpa, the aggregore, the thought form.
30:03
SPEAKER_02: But I can't help but think that that with psychical energy out there, and when you're commenting, commenting on on something uh negative way, like you see something, you're like, well, F this guy, and I'm gonna tell him what exactly I want to feel.
30:19
SPEAKER_02: And you type that out there.
30:20
SPEAKER_02: Well, you put that out there and you put your negative energy out there, and then millions of people have the possibility of reading it, and then they react to it, and either they are like, Yeah, man, I feel the same way, or screw that guy.
30:31
SPEAKER_02: And so that all this negative energy, my God, is is created.
30:36
SPEAKER_02: And I can't help but think that somehow that manifests itself.
30:40
SPEAKER_02: I mean, everybody knows that stress causes heart attacks and and and stress causes mental strain.
30:47
SPEAKER_02: But when you take that and you put a magnifying glass and you blow it up, you magnify it to the world, and you're reading comments from people from Paris, Texas to Paris, France, negative psychical energy.
30:58
SPEAKER_02: I mean, I think that's that's something that I don't even know how you'd even begin to to explore that and study that.
31:05
SPEAKER_02: But that's it seems like that is a uh a real problem.
31:11
SPEAKER_02: I mean, it's a real it's a real thing that's really kind of uh shackling uh humanity right now in a lot of ways, you know.
31:18
SPEAKER_02: I try and be as positive as I can, and I know you appreciate like the music 311 and positivity and and things like that, but we it's like fighting that negative energy.
31:28
SPEAKER_02: It's it's that I I just wonder what's uh the future of uh social media in this interaction, instant interaction and instant rage and it's gonna have on people.
31:40
SPEAKER_00: That's that's something to consider too.
31:42
SPEAKER_00: Absolutely.
31:43
SPEAKER_00: With as you know, I I tend to consider myself pretty politically purple.
31:50
SPEAKER_00: I more more libertarian than anything else.
31:53
SPEAKER_00: And with being a guy that does not want government intervention on most things in my life, I have this deep-seated fear that we need more government intervention in social media right now.
32:08
SPEAKER_00: I hate to say that because I mean I don't there's a part of me that truly doesn't believe that, but there is research recently that has shown that Facebook's current algorithm, like if you're looking at a comment thread, Facebook Facebook's current algorithm will put the most negative response garnering topic to the top so you see it first.
32:31
SPEAKER_02: Sure.
32:32
SPEAKER_00: And so if if you're looking at the splinter in society, well, the algorithm is programmed to feed that splinter, you know?
32:41
SPEAKER_02: So yeah, people I love it when people say, you know, I don't want to get political either, but when since you mentioned it, when people say, Well, I don't believe in organized religion, and I think, oh, well, that that's that's fine, that's your journey, that's where you're at, that's what brings you happiness, I guess.
32:56
SPEAKER_02: Uh, do you vote on the second Tuesday of November or the first Tuesday, whatever election day is?
33:01
SPEAKER_02: Do you um wear an outward sign of your beliefs with an I voted sticker or or a donkey or an elephant button?
33:11
SPEAKER_02: Do you contribute money or tithe to these political organizations?
33:15
SPEAKER_02: Do you go to these mass community rallies or or you know, it's like you don't believe in organized religion, huh?
33:22
SPEAKER_02: Oh, okay, sure.
33:26
SPEAKER_02: Okay, that's fine.
33:28
SPEAKER_00: Oh man, yes, yes.
33:30
SPEAKER_00: This is another one where we could go to our six and seven, man.
33:35
SPEAKER_00: The marathon.
33:37
SPEAKER_00: Absolutely, absolutely.
33:39
SPEAKER_02: It's a weird, crazy world we live we live in, Mike, you know, and and and nobody the thing is nobody knows.
33:45
SPEAKER_02: Everybody thinks they have the answer to something like this is the way, this is the truth, this is and and nobody really knows.
33:52
SPEAKER_02: I mean, in a lot of ways, and people say, Oh, well, COVID this, COVID that.
33:56
SPEAKER_02: Oh, yeah.
33:56
SPEAKER_02: Oh, well, nobody knows.
33:59
SPEAKER_02: I don't, I, I don't think there's a big conspiracy that there's a secret few running the whole world.
34:04
SPEAKER_02: I think there's there's a lot of people trying to run the world, and they're all it's just chaos.
34:10
SPEAKER_02: I mean, it just looks like it's just a cluster everywhere, you know, because we're all at the end of the day, we're all humans, you know, and and and we are lazy sometimes and we're stupid sometimes, and we and we're irrational many times in our lives.
34:23
SPEAKER_02: And you know what I'm saying?
34:25
SPEAKER_02: I don't think there's yeah, yeah, a secret society controlling everything.
34:29
SPEAKER_02: I think there's probably a million secret societies that are all trying to get their foot in the door, right?
34:34
SPEAKER_00: Right.
34:34
SPEAKER_00: And and and leave it to us to create that sense of escapism for people.
34:39
unknown: Yeah, right.
34:40
SPEAKER_00: There you go.
34:41
SPEAKER_00: You know, and I and that I think that's you know, I was gonna ask you, what's been one of your greatest joys of doing the Necronomicast?
34:49
SPEAKER_00: And I have a feeling you're gonna say the same thing that I would say.
34:52
SPEAKER_02: Oh, well, maybe uh we'll see.
34:54
SPEAKER_02: Uh, my greatest joy of it right now, honest to gosh, is to interact with people that in everyday life I would never have the opportunity to interact with and like really have a real or try to really have a meaningful discussion about a singular topic, kind of trying to have a focus about a topic, whether it's a true crime thing, and it's not sensationalistic or we're glorifying the cries.
35:18
SPEAKER_02: We're talking about a lot of times the pain and suffering that ensues uh from the true crime, the the courageousness of the of the victims that it's happened to, or the the diligence and the hard work of the detectives that might have solved that crime.
35:32
SPEAKER_02: You know, it's not just blood and guts and things like that.
35:35
SPEAKER_02: It's like the entire story.
35:36
SPEAKER_02: I love people's stories.
35:38
SPEAKER_02: That's why I love the paranormal.
35:39
SPEAKER_02: I said at the beginning of your show, it's sometimes paranormal experiences are intimate.
35:45
SPEAKER_02: Uh it happens for whatever reason to you, and and you have to kind of uh decipher what's happening to you.
35:51
SPEAKER_02: Did you see grandma?
35:52
SPEAKER_02: Did you see grandpa's ghost?
35:53
SPEAKER_02: Did you see the ghost of a little girl that might have lived here?
35:56
SPEAKER_02: Why did you why did you see that?
35:58
SPEAKER_02: You know, things like that, you know.
36:00
SPEAKER_02: Um it's just so interesting to me and and people's stories.
36:03
SPEAKER_02: I just love talking to people.
36:05
SPEAKER_02: I've always been a kind of a personal, I mean a a a person person, you know what I mean?
36:12
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, a people, a people person, I think is what I'm trying to spit off.
36:15
SPEAKER_02: I've always been trying to get to know people or learn from them and see how that is like a mirror reflection of something that might be in my life.
36:25
SPEAKER_02: You know, it's it's I just love talking to people.
36:28
SPEAKER_02: I can talk all night as you probably can.
36:32
SPEAKER_00: No, I your your answer is a lot closer to mine than you might realize.
36:37
SPEAKER_00: It's it's yeah, it's it's developing a connection with people.
36:41
SPEAKER_00: I've always been a great speaker, but I've always been a horrible listener.
36:46
SPEAKER_00: Oh you know, and and trying to reform connections with people at this phase in life has been super, super rewarding.
36:55
SPEAKER_00: And and exactly what you said, leaning to what you you stated, it's just learning from other people and learning about their experiences and learning from a different vantage point and a different worldview, if you will.
37:08
SPEAKER_02: So, and you do a great job, Mike.
37:11
SPEAKER_02: I mean, I think I think you're you've got the ball rolling, and it's exciting to see how your show has been progressing, you know.
37:17
SPEAKER_02: Like it's it's harder than hell.
37:19
SPEAKER_02: And you know, as this as a musician, man, when you write a song or you're putting something out for public consumption, people can be real hard on people that are are creators, and you put it out there, and sometimes I don't know about you, but sometimes I have like a um um like imposter syndrome, yeah.
37:37
SPEAKER_02: You know what I mean?
37:37
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
37:38
SPEAKER_02: Like, oh, you're a paranormal expert.
37:40
SPEAKER_02: Well, there is no such thing as a paranormal expert.
37:42
SPEAKER_02: I mean, you might know a lot about research and history and things like that, but sometimes I'm like, am I qualified to talk to this uh this psychotherapist that wrote a book about this this case?
37:55
SPEAKER_02: Am I qualified, this this Emmy Award-winning journalist that wrote this book?
37:59
SPEAKER_02: Am I qualified?
38:00
SPEAKER_02: And sometimes I got to clear my mind of that and just be like, I'm a human being who finds their work interesting and they're putting work out there.
38:08
SPEAKER_02: And so I want to ask them about it.
38:10
SPEAKER_02: And if they don't want to talk to me or give me a good answer, which thankfully hasn't happened, um, fine.
38:15
SPEAKER_02: But the stories, the interaction, it's just so, it's so, it's so rewarding.
38:21
SPEAKER_02: And you know, you and I are both making um money hand over fist doing this too, you know, right.
38:30
SPEAKER_02: You know what I mean?
38:31
SPEAKER_02: It's a uh uh having a podcast, ladies and gentlemen, you it's a license to print money, that's for sure.
38:35
SPEAKER_02: So that's that's the real reason we do it, right?
38:37
SPEAKER_02: Right?
38:38
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, oh absolutely, absolutely.
38:40
SPEAKER_02: It has nothing to do with with constructing new ideas, it has nothing to do with self-growth or or bettering yourself or or new horizons.
38:47
SPEAKER_02: It's it's all fucking cash, man.
38:49
SPEAKER_02: That's all it is.
38:51
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, absolutely, man.
38:53
SPEAKER_00: Holy shit, dude.
38:55
SPEAKER_00: I tell you what, so I'm full disclosure, yeah.
38:59
SPEAKER_00: I think my last few years of playing music, I had to have a serious conversation with myself.
39:04
SPEAKER_00: I got to a point where like it was just feeding the beast, I was making art to keep other people interested.
39:11
SPEAKER_00: So before I did this podcast thing, I had to sit down with myself and how could I put the best podcast together that people are going to enjoy?
39:19
SPEAKER_00: Well, I have to be able to enjoy it myself first.
39:23
SPEAKER_00: So I have to put together episodes that I would be proud of every episode I finish, and something I would want to listen to.
39:30
SPEAKER_00: And to be honest with you, man, I never did that with music.
39:33
SPEAKER_00: Music, it was all about other people for sure, but but for the podcast podcasting world, it's been about, you know, filling my cup first and then giving it to the world and saying, okay, give me your best.
39:47
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, my podcast, I feel the same way.
39:49
SPEAKER_02: My podcast for me is a lot about personal growth and getting to know the world around me.
39:53
SPEAKER_02: You know, music, you know, it's so much fun, but so many hours and years of my life I spent alone in a practice room by myself, alone, isolated, playing scales, exercises, getting to be better at my instrument, and and then taking that all that all that passion and energy and work that I put in and entertaining other people as the end result.
40:18
SPEAKER_02: I mean, I enjoyed, I do enjoy playing music and everything, but sometimes, you know, that that uh the aspect of just being an entertainer and then people only treating you as entertainment, you know what I mean?
40:32
SPEAKER_02: I'm like, I I right, yeah, you know it's it's it's it's hard.
40:36
SPEAKER_02: I mean, creative people are so hard on themselves too, man.
40:40
SPEAKER_02: Um, because you work so hard on something and you have such passion for it, and when it's not reciprocated with congratulations or or thanks, or it's hard, it weighs heavily on you.
40:52
SPEAKER_02: And so with the podcast, at least I know that I'm trying to learn more about the world around me and interact with people and hear people's stories, and you know.
41:01
SPEAKER_00: Do you ever do you ever go back to old episodes of your podcast and just listen to them just because it's like, man, I I didn't catch that the first time around?
41:12
SPEAKER_02: Oh, sure.
41:12
SPEAKER_02: Oh, sure.
41:13
SPEAKER_02: Because I do have a critical ear, and I'm really into like you know, I always I re like recording myself like musically too.
41:20
SPEAKER_02: So I listen with a critical ear, and and sometimes I have to stop that because I'm like, I don't care about the compression that I put on my voice, I don't care about if that splice when Brian belched.
41:30
SPEAKER_02: Excuse me.
41:32
SPEAKER_02: I had a very good dinner.
41:34
SPEAKER_02: Uh, you know, I I worry about those kinds of things, but I do listen back and I'm like, man, I wish I had the opportunity again because I would have asked him this this time around, or ooh, I wish I would have boned up and read a little bit more about this subject because I had nothing to reply to.
41:51
SPEAKER_02: Like they said something, I'm just like, yeah, yeah, cool, man.
41:54
SPEAKER_02: Or you know what I mean?
41:55
SPEAKER_02: There's there's always like, I could have, I you know, but what's neat about it though is like when I stop recording and I put it into the computer and I put the show music in, and then I hit publish and it's out there, it's in thousands of people's phones, it's on the internet, it's they've they've got it and it's gone, and then I'm I'm contacting the next guest, or I'm work, I'm already editing the next show, or you know, that's it's it's fun.
42:23
SPEAKER_02: Um I don't want it to be just a factory of you know, I don't want the show just to be uh you know, just a show factory.
42:31
SPEAKER_02: I want to put a time into each one, but yeah, I go back and listen to them, and sometimes I go back and listen to them, I'm like, wow, that was so cool.
42:38
SPEAKER_02: I didn't know I didn't know that.
42:41
SPEAKER_02: And now I've learned something, and it's it's it's so rewarding, man.
42:46
SPEAKER_02: I mean, podcasting is it's so much fun if you if you have the right mindset and you know what you want to accomplish and you work toward it.
42:53
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
42:55
SPEAKER_00: Like I I can't tell you how many times I'll hype myself up for an episode and I'll be like, okay, this is what I'm gonna ask.
43:04
SPEAKER_00: This is gonna how the conversation's gonna flow, and then it goes nothing like that, and it was perfectly okay.
43:12
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, sure, sure.
43:14
SPEAKER_02: And that's and that's great, and that's because you're a human being, they're a human being, and you never know.
43:19
SPEAKER_02: Like, you know, we we texted back and forth, like, okay, we're ready, let's do it, and blah, blah, blah.
43:24
SPEAKER_02: When when we sit down, you don't know what kind of day I've had.
43:29
SPEAKER_02: It's kind of like like ghosts, you know, you go into a place and and and you're like, there's an invisible creature in front of me, and I'm trying to interpret what they what what's going on.
43:38
SPEAKER_02: Well, you and I through Zoom, we're face to face, more or less, but I mean, and we are having a hard time also anticipating the next question or where the conversation's gonna go.
43:49
SPEAKER_02: And you and I don't know exactly what our motivations are.
43:52
SPEAKER_02: Like when you sit down with somebody like at work, something like that, you know, somebody's right across the hall or right across the from you.
44:00
SPEAKER_02: And that's hard enough to decide what's going on.
44:04
SPEAKER_02: Um forget about some strange space creatures or galactic bigfoot or something like that, you know.
44:10
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
44:13
SPEAKER_00: So in case anybody is unsure, we are making mountains and mountains of money as podcasters and we're enjoying our lives doing it.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it's no no nothing I'd rather do, man, right?
44:29
SPEAKER_00: So, Brian, tell everybody where they can find you online.
44:33
SPEAKER_02: Oh, sure.
44:34
SPEAKER_02: And thanks so much for this this opportunity to talk to you, man.
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SPEAKER_02: I mean, it's October, it's beautiful weather in Nebraska.
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SPEAKER_02: I know, isn't it great?
44:42
SPEAKER_02: And I I can't wait to start decorating outside for Halloween.
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SPEAKER_02: I gotta get that stuff done.
44:47
SPEAKER_02: For October listening, after you listen to Caught on the Mic with Mike Clark, please visit Necronomicast.
44:55
SPEAKER_02: And I'll spell it for you because when I was a guest on the show, I had trouble.
44:58
SPEAKER_02: I mispronounced like you could go back to like episode whatever my first one was.
45:02
SPEAKER_02: I think it was 88 as being a guest on the show.
45:04
SPEAKER_02: I think I mispronounced the name of the show, and now I'm the host.
45:08
SPEAKER_02: N-E-C-R-O-N-O-M-I-C-A-S-T.
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SPEAKER_02: The name comes from like the Necronomicon from like the Evil Dead.
45:15
SPEAKER_02: That's a big favorite of Wayne Brecke.
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SPEAKER_02: So it's Necronomcast, like a podcast.
45:20
SPEAKER_02: Uh Facebook, Stitcher, Twitter, Instagram, uh, Spotify, Apple Podcasts.
45:27
SPEAKER_02: Wherever you are listening to Mike, you can find my show.
45:29
SPEAKER_02: And um I try and make it bi-weekly uh every other week.
45:34
SPEAKER_02: That gives me enough time to kind of work ahead on a schedule and not get beleaguered because I read a ton, man.
45:40
SPEAKER_02: A lot of my people are are authors and stuff, and or or documentary filmmakers and things like that.
45:46
SPEAKER_02: So I have to have time to consume that stuff and think about it before I before I talk to them.
45:50
SPEAKER_02: But yeah, if if people if if uh if strange things or weird things or you know things like that interest you late at night, and you're looking for something to listen to, please just give us a listen and and that'd be great.
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SPEAKER_00: Appreciate it.
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SPEAKER_00: Dude, that is phenomenal.
46:06
SPEAKER_00: We gotta do this again here a couple months from now.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that's fine, man.
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SPEAKER_02: I'll talk to you all the time.
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SPEAKER_02: That's great.
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SPEAKER_00: Hell yes.
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SPEAKER_00: Hell yes.
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SPEAKER_00: Well, thank you very much, Brian.
46:14
SPEAKER_00: I appreciate you doing the show.
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SPEAKER_02: Hey, and Mike, uh thanks so much and all your listeners out there.
46:20
SPEAKER_02: Um, you know, thanks for supporting podcasts.
46:22
SPEAKER_02: Thank you for supporting, you know, us creative guys that are trying to try and do something interesting.
46:27
SPEAKER_02: And and thank you for supporting our passions, you know.
46:30
SPEAKER_02: It's it's uh it's um it's a negative world out there, but you gotta go out there and look for what's good and what's positive and kind of you know and embrace that.
46:40
SPEAKER_02: So thanks so much for having me on, Mike.
46:42
SPEAKER_02: I mean, you do a great job and it's it's been really a lot of fun.
46:45
SPEAKER_02: I hope I didn't bore anybody.
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SPEAKER_00: There was, I don't think there was a boring second here, man.
46:52
SPEAKER_00: Thanks again.
46:53
SPEAKER_00: I want to give a big shout out to my friend Brian J.
46:56
SPEAKER_00: Corey for joining me on the show today.
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SPEAKER_00: That was a lot of fun.
46:59
SPEAKER_00: I hope to have him on again sometime in the near future.
47:03
SPEAKER_00: In the meantime, make sure you go to your favorite podcasting platform, whatever platform you're listening to this on, and you look for Necronomica.
47:13
SPEAKER_00: He has fascinating episodes, fascinating guests, and topics that we all love to consume.
47:20
SPEAKER_00: It's also a great time of year for it, man.
47:22
SPEAKER_00: It's Halloween season, for God's sakes.
47:24
SPEAKER_00: If I sound a little bit forced and maybe like I've lost my voice, it's because I have.
47:30
SPEAKER_00: I have been fighting a cold the past week and it has sucked.
47:34
SPEAKER_00: But the good news is it's not strep throat and it's not COVID.
47:38
SPEAKER_00: Make sure you're following me on all forms of social media, Instagram, TikTok, and Facebook, and I've even got a Twitter page, so give me a like and follow on that page as well.
47:48
SPEAKER_00: Just search out Caught on the Mic, M-I-K-E not M I C, and I would appreciate that five star review on the Apple Podcast app.
47:57
SPEAKER_00: This has been Caught on the Mic with Michael Clark.
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SPEAKER_00: Until next time, thank you.