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How Women Argue | Maintaining Frame 164 · Honey Badger Radio

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  Speaker 1: All right, hello everybody, and welcome to Honey Badger Radio.
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  Speaker 1: My name is Brian. I'm here with Alison and this
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  Speaker 1: is maintaining frame number one sixty four How women argue
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  Speaker 1: or how I learned that. Apparently if you are losing
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  Speaker 1: a debate online, you can see you are sexually assaulted
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  Speaker 1: and that will basically just cause you to win. So yeah,
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  Speaker 1: we're going to be looking at well, but it's like
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  Speaker 1: to from he.
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  Speaker 2: Like he did a nice compilation of this particular frame
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  Speaker 2: course and so he covered it pretty well. I just
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  Speaker 2: think that he he doesn't necessarily have the insight into
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  Speaker 2: what's happening exactly that I think that we will bring,
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  Speaker 2: will bring the heavy hitting, deep insight into her behavior
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  Speaker 2: and why she's doing what she's doing. And before we
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  Speaker 2: get into that and this is okay, So this basically
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  Speaker 2: the the argument is between you have to help me
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  Speaker 1: Then, okay, let's play the intro.
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  Speaker 3: That's exactly what's going on this podcast. Fell like, I've
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  Speaker 3: done debate for nine years, so I know things could
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  Speaker 3: get heated. That wasn't debate. That that was assault. I
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  Speaker 3: felt like I was sexually assaulted.
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  Speaker 4: This might actually be the most unhinged TikTok meltdown I've
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  Speaker 4: ever seen, and that's saying something.
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  Speaker 1: All right, So she was sexually assaulted in a debate.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't see. Yeah, an assault take place. But yeah,
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  Speaker 1: that's what.
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  Speaker 2: We're this, that's what we're talking Yeah, this is what
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  Speaker 2: we're talking about. I'm just completely blanking on her name.
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  Speaker 2: Uh do you remember her name, Brian, she's very inhut something.
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  Speaker 2: She's like her name is like crash out some Christie.
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  Speaker 2: I think, yeah, but that's not actually her name. That's
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  Speaker 2: not actually her name. I had her damn name. I
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  Speaker 2: just I mean, she's super Internet famous, guys, super Internet famous.
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  Speaker 1: Kylie. It's Kylie, Kylie crash out, Kylie, rash out Kylie. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: Kylie Brewer was an TikTok feminist influencer. I guess I
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  Speaker 1: didn't know that was the thing. I mean, I know
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  Speaker 1: it's a thing. They didn't know that. She was like
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  Speaker 1: a big, big deal And she went on the Whatever podcast.
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  Speaker 1: Was paid. She was paid to go on the Whatever
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  Speaker 1: podcast and debate Andrew Wilson.
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  Speaker 2: Andrew Wilson, he's definitely the name on everybody's lips lately,
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  Speaker 2: and he's got the full femosphere trying to get him
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  Speaker 2: into uh, into their sites for Oh, they're.
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  Speaker 1: All making all kinds of crazy allegations against him.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, trying to hope something sticks. And he's actually insofar
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  Speaker 2: as the because it seems like there's always sort of
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  Speaker 2: a new face of the manosphere. I don't know if
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  Speaker 2: he's become the new face the manisphere, if he's going
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  Speaker 2: to dethrone Andrew Tait.
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  Speaker 1: I think it's a different He's like a different Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: there's like you got Cobra commander, but you also have
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  Speaker 1: Destro and Zartan and and uh you know, Tomax and Zema.
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  Speaker 1: You have different different high ranks for pentor you have
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  Speaker 1: different high ranking manosphere figures. Andrew Tate it's a different
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  Speaker 1: kind because he's like the you know, rich guy, fast cars,
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  Speaker 1: smoking cigars, like like this kind of hyper machismo image.
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  Speaker 1: And Andrew Wilson is like a very paleo conservative, you know,
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  Speaker 1: has a wife, they have kids, and so it's a
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  Speaker 1: different He's a different kind of enemy. He's a different monster,
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  Speaker 1: you know.
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  Speaker 2: Different monster of the week. But yeah, they're definitely gunning
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  Speaker 2: for him. So let's uh, because this is this must
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  Speaker 2: be like the third scandal, Like quasi scandal that he's
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  Speaker 2: been involved in lately and in the last couple of months.
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  Speaker 1: The definition of scandal means I said something that feminists
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  Speaker 1: don't like. That's what that's all exactly of a scandal.
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  Speaker 1: Just say something that feminists disagree with and that makes
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  Speaker 1: you makes you enemy number one basically.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, anyway, so that this channel that we are
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  Speaker 2: responding to is Brad versus everyone and everyone, and he's
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  Speaker 2: I think he's got more of the normy side of
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  Speaker 2: this particular argument, kind of take pretty baseline generally going
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  Speaker 2: into these fights, and he looks a little confused by
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  Speaker 2: what's going on and how insane it is. But we
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  Speaker 2: can bring a little bit of insight based on my
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  Speaker 2: analysis of female psychology and which i've outlind and laid
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  Speaker 2: out in threat narratives. If you're interested in that, you
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  Speaker 2: can go to a gender attic on YouTube. I don't
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  Speaker 2: know if YouTube will show you it. You might do
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  Speaker 2: a search on threat narratives. I don't think YouTube serves
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  Speaker 2: up my content, but it should be. If you do
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  Speaker 2: gender attic plus threat narratives, you can probably find it.
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  Speaker 2: And that lays out how women engage in argument basically
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  Speaker 2: because they don't. They don't engage in logical irrational argument.
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  Speaker 2: They make assertions and then if you disagree with them,
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  Speaker 2: they bring out a gun and say no, you don't. Basically,
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  Speaker 2: that's what they do. They just bring out they just
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  Speaker 2: bring out the social annihilation weapon and they're like, yeah, well,
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  Speaker 2: now do you agree with me? And most men are like, yep, yes, ma'am,
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  Speaker 2: I do, and then that's the end of that. But
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  Speaker 2: Andrew Wilson's like, no, ma'am, and she's like, I was craped,
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  Speaker 2: so just tries it harder. Yeah, anyway, So we'll bring
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  Speaker 2: that analysis to this because I think, as much as
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  Speaker 2: I think that he didn't do too bad in terms
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  Speaker 2: of his analysis, at least from a like a male
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  Speaker 2: point of view. And I don't mean that as like
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  Speaker 2: to be snide or condescending, but I think men don't
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  Speaker 2: see this particular realm of argumentation clearly a lot of
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  Speaker 2: times because they're looking at it in terms, Okay, what's
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  Speaker 2: the actionables, what's the reality, what is the final line,
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  Speaker 2: what's the final conclusion, what's the logic? Where are the facts?
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  Speaker 2: And women are like, where's my power? Where is your
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  Speaker 2: compliance to my authority?
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  Speaker 1: You know?
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  Speaker 2: And that that's what they focus on. So it's two different.
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  Speaker 2: It's like ships passing in the night. But anyway, so let's.
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  Speaker 1: You just you quoted Moonlighting. Do you remember anybody remember it? Moonlighting?
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  Speaker 1: Or my dating myself and solely dating myself? Yeah, I
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  Speaker 1: vaguelyships in the night exchanging glances. It was where Bruce
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  Speaker 1: Willis got his start. Anyway, Yeah, he did a TV show.
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  Speaker 1: He did a TV show called Moonlighting, very funny. It
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  Speaker 1: was a really funny and really clever show. But anyway,
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  Speaker 1: look I digress. Let's get into this. Okay, So Brad Palumbo.
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  Speaker 4: First, we're going to talk about a moment that's going
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  Speaker 4: mega viral and to kind of saga, kind of a
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  Speaker 4: fallout from something called the Whatever Podcast, which is a
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  Speaker 4: dating and gender podcast hosted by someone named Brian Atlas.
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  Speaker 4: It's kind of associated with the like red pill movements,
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  Speaker 4: kind of like a pro men, some would say anti women.
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  Speaker 4: I'm not normally a huge fan of this podcast because
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  Speaker 4: I think the conversations that take place on it sometimes
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  Speaker 4: can be interesting, but are often pretty vapid. They often
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  Speaker 4: bring on professional debater men to go against random Instagram
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  Speaker 4: models or women off the street, and it does oh
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  Speaker 4: just troubles him.
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  Speaker 2: Is Andrew Wilson really is professional? Is there such a
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  Speaker 2: thing as a professional debater? Like?
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  Speaker 1: Really? Who professional? No? But I mean I guess like
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  Speaker 1: there is such a thing as like sort of like
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  Speaker 1: highly regarded debate like the Monk Debates or Oxford Debates.
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  Speaker 1: But Andrew doesn't He's never been on those. But it
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  Speaker 1: doesn't really matter. It's not only him. I think what
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  Speaker 1: Brad is trying to say, and I'm gonna try and
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  Speaker 1: be charitable, is that he believes or whatever podcast is
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  Speaker 1: slanted against the women because you get a bunch of,
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  Speaker 1: you know, women who are trying to be Internet famous.
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  Speaker 1: Usually they have only fans accounts, and they go on
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  Speaker 1: there to promote themselves and be seen because it is
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  Speaker 1: like a way to get seen, and they use it
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  Speaker 1: to promote their brand. And then there are men who
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  Speaker 1: they bring on and sometimes other women. They've definitely had
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  Speaker 1: other women on there too that are dissenters against this
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  Speaker 1: kind of like lifestyle that these other women promote. And
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  Speaker 1: those men and women that go on there to be
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  Speaker 1: like the voice of dissent, they are usually a lot
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  Speaker 1: better equipped to make the arguments because usually the argument
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  Speaker 1: from the let's say the three or fours that go
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  Speaker 1: on to whatever podcast and I'm just saying that for
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  Speaker 1: the sake of brevity, is just simply like hey, it
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  Speaker 1: makes me happy and I'm free, you know, and like, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: that's the only argument they have. And so they bring
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  Speaker 1: on people to basically say, well, you know, yes, that's true,
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  Speaker 1: but have you considered you know, one, two, three, four,
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  Speaker 1: five or whatever, And a lot of times these women haven't,
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  Speaker 1: So is it I don't think it's I don't think
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  Speaker 1: it's the problem that he has essentially is that he
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  Speaker 1: feels and a lot of people have said this that
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  Speaker 1: it's like unfair to those women because they don't have, like,
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  Speaker 1: you know, a heavy hitter on their side. But the
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  Speaker 1: problem is is that their ideas don't really they don't
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  Speaker 1: they don't really have someone who could be the heavy
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  Speaker 1: heater hitter. And a lot of women go on there
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  Speaker 1: for them to go to bat for these chicks and
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  Speaker 1: they are considered to be heavy hitters, but they always lose.
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  Speaker 1: So it's like one of these things where it's like, well,
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  Speaker 1: if one side has bad arguments and one side has
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  Speaker 1: good arguments, is it really unfair that the side with
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  Speaker 1: bad arguments lose more often like that, yeah, I mean
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  Speaker 1: you know, so, yeah, this.
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  Speaker 2: Is this This is a very bizarre sort of approach
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  Speaker 2: to take that this man has, I don't know if
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  Speaker 2: he even.
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  Speaker 1: Matter, Like he thinks that there is some in some
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  Speaker 1: part of the world there's a podcast that is ultra
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  Speaker 1: balance and fair to both sides of whatever this discussion is,
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  Speaker 1: and that like they more often than not, they just
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  Speaker 1: sort of like they find themselves in a stalemate. It's
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  Speaker 1: it will be like it would be like if we
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  Speaker 1: had a show and we we had men's issues advocates
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  Speaker 1: and feminists come together and they would debate, and if
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  Speaker 1: the MRA is always won because they have the better ideas,
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  Speaker 1: this guy would be like, well, it seems like it's
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  Speaker 1: slanted against the feminists. It's like, well, no, maybe they
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  Speaker 1: have shittier ideas.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, have you considered, Brad, have you considered one side
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  Speaker 2: consistently fails because they haven't done the work. And if
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  Speaker 2: they did do the work, they'd be on the other
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  Speaker 2: side because their positions have no grounding in logic or fact.
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  Speaker 2: And I was listening to what you said, and I
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  Speaker 2: was thinking, so essentially, these women come on and their
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  Speaker 2: only position is it makes me feel good. And yet
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  Speaker 2: the other side can even argue that because they can
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  Speaker 2: say SSRI's rates of depression, rates of anxiety, and neuroticism
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  Speaker 2: are all higher on your side.
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  Speaker 1: Well, they have brought that up.
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  Speaker 2: We've given women, we've given women control over their lives,
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  Speaker 2: and we've said just make yourselves happy, and they can't
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  Speaker 2: even do that.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I also thinks it's unfair, and look, I
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  Speaker 1: just don't like him when people are misrepresented. I think
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  Speaker 1: the Whatever podcast is a lot of different things. The
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  Speaker 1: problem is is that all the clips that go viral
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  Speaker 1: are clips of women crashing out and crying and like
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  Speaker 1: leaving the show because they didn't like what the men said.
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  Speaker 1: And so because those are the ones that go the
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  Speaker 1: most viral because of ginocentrism, by the way, then that's
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  Speaker 1: what people think the whole show is. And I don't
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  Speaker 1: think it's fair, you know, because they like It's like
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  Speaker 1: what they say about Andrew Wilson, all you do is debate,
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  Speaker 1: you know, thoughts online. He's like, no, he's debated lots
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  Speaker 1: of different people on different subjects, but his debates against
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  Speaker 1: thoughts online are the ones that get the most eyes
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  Speaker 1: on them. Because there are women involved, and everybody wants
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  Speaker 1: to know what he's doing to the poor women. That's
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  Speaker 1: why it goes viral.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, let's listen to a bit more.
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  Speaker 1: All right.
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  Speaker 4: It doesn't really feel like a fair fight or super
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  Speaker 4: interesting or substantive. And then the whole thing is supposed
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  Speaker 4: to be like railing against like modern women or whatever.
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  Speaker 4: Yet it's basically used as a platform for these women
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  Speaker 4: to promote their only fans. So I'm not a huge
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  Speaker 4: fan of the podcast, but.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, but that's their choice. They're gonna That's another thing too, Like,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, like they they go that's what That's why
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  Speaker 1: you can't really feel too sorry for the girls who
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  Speaker 1: go on there, because they are going on there to
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  Speaker 1: promote their OnlyFans or their brand or their Patreon or whatever.
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  Speaker 1: And so if they go on there and they end
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  Speaker 1: up like leaving their teary eyed, like and then like
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  Speaker 1: you get people coming up and saying, don't do that
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  Speaker 1: to those women. Those poor women, they weren't ready for
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  Speaker 1: what you say. It's so infantilizing, and yet they're still
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  Speaker 1: gonna make bank on their OnlyFans. So like you know,
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  Speaker 1: you're it's it's it's crazy like they get what they
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  Speaker 1: want either way.
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  Speaker 2: Mm hmm.
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  Speaker 4: I certainly don't think that appearing on it constitutes rape
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  Speaker 4: or sexual assault, yet that is actually the claim that
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  Speaker 4: one feminist guest, who a TikTok influencer who went on
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  Speaker 4: the podcast, is now making. And Guys, this woman's name
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  Speaker 4: is Kylie Brewer. She is a self described queer leftist
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  Speaker 4: feminist who teaches anti racism and has over one hundred
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  Speaker 4: thousand followers on TikTok. Let's look at our first video
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  Speaker 4: on TikTok complaining about this situation.
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  Speaker 1: Hi, all right, I'm just pausing there for the banana,
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  Speaker 1: just to play and safe. Okay, this is Kylie whatever,
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  Speaker 1: my name is, Kylie Brewers.
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  Speaker 3: By men so severely online that I'm thinking about giving
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  Speaker 3: up misogny has always been really bad as a feminist
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  Speaker 3: content creator, but especially because I talk about intersectionality, which
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  Speaker 3: means I'm often talking about the systems that uphold white
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  Speaker 3: supremacy and racism in the US, which pisses off a
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  Speaker 3: number of uber racist white' premisests.
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  Speaker 5: About six weeks.
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  Speaker 3: Ago, I was misled by some men and they ended
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  Speaker 3: up having me on a podcast that turned out to
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  Speaker 3: be red pill, and I want to go into the
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  Speaker 3: details of it because it was honestly like the most
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  Speaker 3: trunic experience of my life and really horribly I am.
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  Speaker 1: Scared of these people. The bar of drama is so low.
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  Speaker 1: I lost an argument. It was the most traumatic experience
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  Speaker 1: of my life.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, so you're basically establishing what misogyny is for you,
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  Speaker 2: because I know misogyny is a moving target. It seems
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  Speaker 2: to be redefined for every single woman who asserts it.
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  Speaker 2: It's whatever she dislikes. I mean, I would like to
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  Speaker 2: petition that my definition of misogyny be the one that's
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  Speaker 2: enthrined into social law or whatever you want to ht,
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  Speaker 2: which is the automatic association of women with victimhood, right,
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  Speaker 2: and that the whole idea of Believe All Women is
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  Speaker 2: the automatic association of women with victimhood. Me too, automatic
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  Speaker 2: association of women with victimhood. All of the feminist initiatives
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  Speaker 2: to frame domestic violence and sexual assault as something that
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  Speaker 2: women face and men don't, automatic assumption of female victimhood.
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  Speaker 2: And yeah, I think that's misogyny because it actually removes
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  Speaker 2: a good portion of women's sense of self. And ironically,
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  Speaker 2: I think that's where a lot of their insecurity and
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  Speaker 2: existential angst that's causing the aforementioned sri use and netin
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  Speaker 2: need for therapy of avocado toast therapy and constant depression
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  Speaker 2: and anxiety and neurosis is coming from. Is that fundamental
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  Speaker 2: lack of a sense of self right, That's something that's
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  Speaker 2: inherent to some to illnesses like borderline personality disorder, not
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  Speaker 2: a strong sense of continuity between your actions and their effects.
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  Speaker 2: So the world just becomes chaos, which is a very
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  Speaker 2: insecure position. And like I said, I think that's where
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  Speaker 2: all lot of their anxiety is coming from, not from patriarchy,
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  Speaker 2: but from the things that they're doing to themselves in
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  Speaker 2: terms of making themselves out to be victims in every
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  Speaker 2: conceivable circumstance. And I know that they do it in
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  Speaker 2: every conceivable circumstance because if there is a circumstance in
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  Speaker 2: which feminists or women who are feminist adjacent start making
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  Speaker 2: themselves out to be a victim and I go in
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  Speaker 2: and I say, hey, I don't think you're a victim
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  Speaker 2: as a woman, I immediately become person non grata. Well
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  Speaker 2: the pick me anyway, So nobody can challenge this without
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  Speaker 2: being socially ostracized. So this is a negative spiral with
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  Speaker 2: no breaks, this constant how am I being acted upon
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  Speaker 2: by the world instead of how do I act upon
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  Speaker 2: the world? So you just become a helpless leaf in
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  Speaker 2: the wind.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, yep, that's the point people, So I would prefer
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  Speaker 3: to not go into more detail. By then became a
• 18:49
  Speaker 3: meme known as crush out Kylie, which here's a photo,
• 18:53
  Speaker 3: but they sent there hundreds of followers on to me
• 18:56
  Speaker 3: to leave hate comments and see my account until it
• 18:58
  Speaker 3: was removed on hate comments.
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry, Alison, I'm gonna take it a little step further.
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: I don't think misogyny exists. I don't think any kind
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: of bigotry exists. I think all of it is a
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: tool used to control people's behavior and to essentially try
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: to convict them of crimes that cannot be substantively measured.
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: So the only thing we should be focused on is
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: right or wrong. That's it Yecause like when you get
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: into the muddy waters of misogyny, then you have to
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: define it. Then you have to figure out what it means.
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: I'm not doing that. I'm done. I'm done with all
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: of this. I'm done with white supremacy. I'm done with racism, misogyny, homophobia,
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: all of it. It's all bullshit to me. I'm done
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: with it. That's it. So it's just a form of control.
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: But that's what I just want to do something out here.
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: All right, Let's go back like about twenty seconds, so
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: I think this is seconds. Yeah, start with the ridiculous
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: green Yeah, there you go.
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: Okay, Yeah, I mean known as crush out Kylie, which
• 19:57
  Speaker 3: here's a photo. But they sent their hundreds of followers
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: on to me to leave hate comments and sparem report
• 20:02
  Speaker 3: my account until it was removed on Instagram.
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: For wait wait wait, wait wait child porn for child porn.
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: Okay, so like what.
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: Wait, we're supposed to take her word for this, Okay,
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: that she wasn't engaging, like when when they came over
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: to do their hundreds of hate posts, that they were
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: indeed hate posts and somehow Instagram targeted her for removal
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: for child porn. There are some steps missing here.
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean I would imagine that if there
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: was a report on her account, that you know, Instagram
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: would have investigated it before they did that.
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean, and if it's a false accusation,
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: you know, it's not great. There should be sharing.
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: That that famous that famous book by Andrea Tworkin about
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: is that the one about sexualizing boys? So that's that's sorry.
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: I get politics confused all the time. I'm sorry.
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I don't know if Jermaine Greer was a
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: political lesbian. I think she's like a political cougar. But
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: she yeah, she might have been. She been, she was.
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: She might have been sharing that that book, or she
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: might have been engaging in something that was a little
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: bit nancy. And suddenly a whole flood of people who
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: didn't like her came in and said, wait, eat a second,
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: this is against the t S.
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: We've had that experience, not specifically that we've had bad
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: faith interpretations of us breaking the rules. And what's really
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: happened is we came, I guess, too close to a
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: rule that could be bent to be seen that we
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: broke it. So, for example, we showed video of man
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: being molested during a concert. It was a singer being
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: molested by a fan during a concert, and we did
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: that in order to raise awareness of men being molested.
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: And YouTube said, Nope, that wasn't you weren't You're you
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: as a channel that has talked about male victims of
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: sexual assault for fifteen years. You didn't do that to
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: raise awareness. You did that to share it salaciously, and
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: then we got a hit for that, so they you know,
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: we we've experienced stuff like that. We've experienced reinterpretations of
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: rules in order to slam us with this, that or
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: the other. But I I don't know how you can
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: reinterpret sharing childborn. Maybe take the l and just just
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: just disappear from the internet, Kylie on that one. I mean,
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: you think that'd be a really easy thing to investigate well, or.
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: You know, humble yourself and say, oh, maybe I was
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: wrong about all this, like that's all. That's all. It's
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: so freeing. It's so freeing, guys. Just humble yourself. Yeah,
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: it's liberating.
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you're not You're flawed, you make mistakes, and you know,
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: I'm I'm stubborn. It's hard for me to take responsibility
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: for crap. But usually it does feel better if I've
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: done something genuinely wrong and not I'm not being dogpiled
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: on by a bunch of bad faith actors, then yeah,
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: take responsibility. Say I did that, it was bad. Let's
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: I'll try not to do it again. I mean I'll
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: do it. I will not do it again insofar as
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: it's within my pot my ability not to. Sometimes, like
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: I said, the aforementioned YouTube strikes, there was nothing we
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: could have done to prevent them because because they were
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: bad faith. But you know something, if it's within your
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: realm of improving your behavior, apologize and improve it, because
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: the apology is meaningless unless you do. But you know,
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: apparently whatever podcast haters came to her Instagram account and
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: then somehow she got banned for posting child born. Like
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: I said, there needs to be some more steps there.
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: I feel like we're missing a bit of information.
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah did you did you skip a season? You shouldn't
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: skip seasons or or.
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: A finale for a child.
• 24:28
  Speaker 5: They do the same thing.
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: So that my content has been censored, is not appearing
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: on people's for you pages, I become a target for them,
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: for in cells and red pill people.
• 24:35
  Speaker 5: So if you see this, if you could just let
• 24:37
  Speaker 5: me know, because I'm like, make.
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: You a target of something. Could you stop with the
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: vocal fry and just have a little enthusiasm for your life.
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: I'm just a girl. Just as she has to talk
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: like that, it's like part of her part of her programming.
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: So I want to show that the link that she
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: shared here because she's making a claim. It says online
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: harassment has severe repercussions for those who experience it. It can
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: affect people's mental health and well being and lead to anxiety, depression,
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: and PTSD. Online harassment often has the express purpose of
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: forcing the person to abandon the Internet or take down
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: their content.
• 25:21
  Speaker 4: Yeah, well, I.
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: Don't know, man, I think that you can do. You know,
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: what is it that Tyler the creator used to say,
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: just close your eyes, just get off the internet, Like
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: if you need to break, yeah, break, you know, yeah.
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: Go go play with your dog. But okay, so the
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: reason why they do the vocal fry is because it
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: makes them sound tired and exhausted, which is vulnerability. That's
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: what it is. It's just an affectation of vulnerability. She's
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: just saying, I'm so weak, I can't, I can't even
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: somebody has somebody it has to come in and save me, save.
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: Me my life.
• 26:00
  Speaker 4: Which is.
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: It's that it's felt? Yeah, I know, yeah, Oh how
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: long we've been doing this? Felt?
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: Oh god, I'm having flashbacks.
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: Felt. What a terrible movie. Okay, have you see this?
• 26:19
  Speaker 5: If you could just let me know, because I'm like
• 26:21
  Speaker 5: really close to giving up and I've been doing this
• 26:23
  Speaker 5: for two years. This has been my dream.
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: So this is your dream When.
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: You were born, before the internet happened, your dream was
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: you were like five years old and your your your
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: mom said what do you want to be when you
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: grow up? And you're like, I want to be on
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: TikTok and influence people towards feminism. They were like, what's TikTok? Okay?
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: Do you know what I wanted to be when I
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: was like, oh eight nine? I wanted to be a
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: marine biologist like every fucking girl and and hitarro. But
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: it's you wanted to make content on the internet. You
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: wanted to be an Internet content creator. Like that's not
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: just the thing that you just do when it every
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: you know, like it's just you just I don't know,
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: everything else fails and you just end up doing that.
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: This is this is something people aspire to that just
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: blows my mind. Okay, all right, good lord?
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: Should I play from here or do you want to
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: hear his reactions to this?
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: Or yes, yes, I'd like to. I like to get
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: the pulse ignorm.
• 27:38
  Speaker 4: I'm absurd if you know a little bit of the context.
• 27:40
  Speaker 4: First of all, she's complaining about being censored and my
• 27:43
  Speaker 4: videos aren't being shown on the for you page. This
• 27:45
  Speaker 4: video has one point one million views. I don't know
• 27:47
  Speaker 4: what she's talking about. I don't know what happened with
• 27:49
  Speaker 4: her Instagram account. I did look and see that it's
• 27:51
  Speaker 4: still suspended, and if that whatever reason it's suspended is
• 27:56
  Speaker 4: from like trolling and spam and she didn't actually do
• 27:58
  Speaker 4: anything wrong, but of course I don't support with that.
• 28:01
  Speaker 4: But I don't know exactly what happened there. I do
• 28:03
  Speaker 4: know the hosts and the guest other guests definitely, but
• 28:05
  Speaker 4: you know, you know the.
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: Shell of what happened, dude. The haters came to her
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: channel and apparently spam reported her and she got caught
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: with child porn or something like she she did something
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: that was child porn adjacent or could be misconstrued as
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: childborn like maybe maybe if we are very charitable, misconstrued
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: as child porn. I don't know what could be misconstrued
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: as child porn. Maybe she shared.
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: I don't know, Blogger, well, I think she's trying to
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: like say that whatever it was was like really absurd.
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: It's possible that trolls. But again, I I don't know
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: it's possible to.
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: Have to retweet something or and if she's like retweeting
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: it and saying I don't like that, does Instagram have
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: no sense of context?
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: There's not enough steps in here. There's not enough steps in.
• 29:10
  Speaker 6: Ing.
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: I'm he is, yeah.
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: Well, he's basically saying I don't know what happened. And
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: I'm like, well, you know, a couple things haters came.
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: She alleges that they mass reported her and she got
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: got for child porn, right, those are the things we know,
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: and there's a lot missing. And he's like, well, you know,
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: if she was mass reported for insert nothing. She he's
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: not repeating what she was mass reported for, is what
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: I'm saying, probably because it reflects badly on her.
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: If true.
• 29:52
  Speaker 4: But anyway, if true, her band, at least I've seen
• 29:56
  Speaker 4: no evidence of that, and they're not necessarily responsible for
• 29:59
  Speaker 4: what random viewers decide to do afterwards. Also, like side note,
• 30:03
  Speaker 4: I find it hilarious that she says, oh, just white
• 30:06
  Speaker 4: supremacists don't like my content because I teach anti racism
• 30:09
  Speaker 4: or whatever. Actually, she posts like ridiculous, absurd race baiting
• 30:14
  Speaker 4: content that.
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what anti racism is, absurd baiting.
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: What are you expecting?
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: That's yeah, what are you looking for, like a Martin
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: Luther King quote, Because that's not anti racism, that's anti racism,
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: active racism against white people. That's what it is. Just
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: say it fascism.
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: I think I think Martin Luther is fascism now because
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: he's like judge them by. Yeah, that's that's that's far
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: right fascism.
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: Now, Yeah, that's what that's what it means. When when
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: you say, oh, she supposedly put I see unhinged content,
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: but she says it's just anti racist. No, you don't
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: understand anti racism. You should read Robin DiAngelo or even
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: Max Kendy. That'll give you a better idea. Belle Hooks,
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: it was like an old school feminist from the seventies.
• 31:03
  Speaker 4: I think lots of people object to who aren't racists
• 31:07
  Speaker 4: or white supremacists because it's absurd and condescending and probably
• 31:12
  Speaker 4: ignites racial tension where none actually exists. Here's a little
• 31:16
  Speaker 4: sample of that.
• 31:17
  Speaker 6: Hi, this is just a reminder that hustle culture is
• 31:19
  Speaker 6: white supremacy prior to colonization, there was no structured idea
• 31:22
  Speaker 6: of time in the.
• 31:23
  Speaker 5: Sense that we have.
• 31:24
  Speaker 4: I also find it funny.
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: Hustle culture is white? Going to work on time is
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: white supremacy.
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: Did you know how old the idea of time is? Like,
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: if we go back far enough, I'm pretty sure the
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: Sumerians had a concept of time. Does that mean we're
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: all Sumerian.
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: Colonialized typical colonizers speak, Alison, I will not have any
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: of it. You're just covering for white supremacy and patriarchy
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: because they're basically Northern Europeans.
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: Didn't invent time?
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: Uh, yes they did. I don't know.
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: I would have find out who invented time?
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: Actually, yeah, go to the Smithsonian. The Smithsonian Institute proves it.
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: Because you can go to the Smithsonian, they'll tell you
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: that time is a white supremacist construct. So really, I'm
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: not culture. I'm not kidding. The Smithsonian did say.
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: That which culture invented time? Well, the concept of time
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: itself is likely inherent. The Babylonians and Egyptians are credited
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: with being among the first to developed measured methods for
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: measuring and organizing time. The Babylonians and the Egyptians so
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: we were all colonized by an ethnicity that probably no
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: longer exists. How are we to blame them?
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: Obviously you don't understand how deep the rabbit hole goes.
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: Richard Berre gave us a super chow for ten dollars. Richard,
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: and he says, in the live action movie of Leelee
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: and Stitch, I think you meant Lilo and Stitch, the
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: older sister who wants to be a marine biologist actually
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: tells Lilo that she needs to go into foster care
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: so that the older sister can go to college. Yes,
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: what is that that's saying from Lelo and Stitch. It's
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: like o'hanna means family, not anymore, not anymore. Ohanna is
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: basically another thing in the way of female empowerment. So
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: go to foster care, bitch. Anyway, thank you Richard for that. Yes,
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: you ever see Leelo and Stitch, Alison?
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: Yes, okay, I was looking up the Babylonians versus the Sumerians.
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: Tell me more about what's going on with Leelo and Stitch,
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: because I thought it was a very charming movie.
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: The original one. It was still the original was cute,
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: but they beat a live action remake and they changed
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: the one of the primary moments in the film, in
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: the first one, where the little girl says, Ohanna means
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: family and like that sort of like because she wants
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: to keep stitch. I think I only saw the movie
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: once to be honest, And then in the remake that
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: doesn't that doesn't happen. In the remake, the older sister says,
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: I gotta go to college, you gotta go to foster care.
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: So Hanna doesn't mean family anymore. So they because like, otherwise,
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: you're gonna be in the way of this woman who's
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: going into STEM to like make it, and we can't
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: have that because if little girls see a girl that
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: cares about family more than her girl boss career, well
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: women aren't going to go into STEM.
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: So and yet a huge yet that they'll never pay back.
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, they changed it. They changed it for
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: the message basically just another thing, just another thing on
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: the sacrificial uh slab.
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: Now it's trid. Actually, all family is tried, even found
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: family is tried. Any connection between one human being and
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: another that isn't mediated by corporate fiat is trad It.
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: Hasn't been You can trust efficient.
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: If you have a friend that's traditionalism. You know, if
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: you if you like another human, hell, if you like
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: another creature, if you have a dog, that's traditionalism. Now
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: there you go. Nobody should have affection for anyone. That
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: should be taxed. So somehow we need to make money
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: off of that. If people enjoying each other's company and
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: enjoying the dopamine rush of was it a dopamine rush,
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: maybe a dopamine drip of actually being friends or having
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: romantic interest or having any kind of pleasurable interaction with
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: another human being. My god, that's a source. That's a
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: free source of dopamine and probably probably has something to
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: do with global warming too.
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: We got a tax absolutely absolutely. Captain Planett told us,
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: can't have too many kids anyway. All right, so let's
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: let's keep going. Thank you for the super child.
• 35:56
  Speaker 4: By the way, me that she objects to being depicted
• 36:00
  Speaker 4: as crash out Kylie, but yet chose to upload multiple
• 36:05
  Speaker 4: crash out videos to TikTok.
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: That's pretty that's pretty came.
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: No, yeah, that's not. I wouldn't call that a crash out.
• 36:14
  Speaker 7: But be meet object to being angry like hearing like
• 36:19
  Speaker 7: like patriarchy and white supremacy and like capitalism and all
• 36:23
  Speaker 7: this bullshit like being blamed for everything in the world, everything,
• 36:27
  Speaker 7: even things that are not at all harmful, like time
• 36:30
  Speaker 7: that's not a crash out, that's just normal.
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: Like where have you been? Like this is like twenty
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: fourteen arguments? Where have you been? Dude? This has been
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: going on forever, okay, and.
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: It's just getting worse.
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, if you just want to.
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: They didn't. They want to. They want to get rid
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: of any concrete concept and replace it with a pure
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: like vibe, and they just want to vibe vibe for
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: the rest of existence. Everything is emotion, everything is immediate,
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: everything is now, nothing is the future, nothing is Oh shit,
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: my camera is scaring freeze.
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: Oh shit.
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: Wait okay, let me just see if I can get this,
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: get this, get this crap started again. Yeah, okay, let's
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: just let's listen to more of him.
• 37:26
  Speaker 4: While I'm illantime, it is ironic to me that a
• 37:31
  Speaker 4: feminist content creator would so deceptively portray herself as a
• 37:37
  Speaker 4: victim and as lacking agency when that is not in
• 37:41
  Speaker 4: fact the case. So she has produced no evidence that
• 37:45
  Speaker 4: she was misled about the nature of the podcast, and
• 37:48
  Speaker 4: she if she only found out that the whatever podcast
• 37:51
  Speaker 4: is a red pill podcast. Once appearing on it, then
• 37:54
  Speaker 4: that is her fault. All their episodes, all their debates,
• 37:59
  Speaker 4: are publicly of many of them have millions of views.
• 38:02
  Speaker 4: And if you did not do the basic diligence too.
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: But it's not ironic because the goal is to be
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: the victim. That's like directly in line with feminist thought.
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: Like that's so she might have known, but it's okay
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: for her to play like she does. Like why did
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: she go on there? She was paid to go on
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: the whatever podcast to debate. She knew what it was.
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: She had to I'll tell you back, no, just keep going.
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: When when my video is back, then I am back.
• 38:38
  Speaker 4: Okay, look up what media program you were appearing on.
• 38:43
  Speaker 4: See what it's like. The tone and tenor of her
• 38:46
  Speaker 4: appearance wasn't really that different from any other segment I've
• 38:51
  Speaker 4: seen on there. It is hostile, it is rude, It
• 38:54
  Speaker 4: can be crude, but it's what she signed up for,
• 38:58
  Speaker 4: and it's a debate, a political debate. Here's an actual
• 39:02
  Speaker 4: clip from the show.
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: How is it? Like? What? So? What does that mean? Rude? Like?
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: I think, like do do we are we at the
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: point now where if you are because I think that
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: there's a Alexander Grace made a video actually that goes
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: up with what I've been I've been saying for a
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: while that the way that men and women communicate is different.
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: And the way when men communicate in earnest with other men,
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: no one sees a problem with it because of the
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: way that men communicate, But when men communicate in earnest
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: with women or just like in our like larger society,
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: because I think our whole like society is more feminine
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: oriented in terms of its communication, it's seen as rude,
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: but it's not. And Alexander Grace made a video about
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: the way that men and women communicate. It's kind of
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: recent one which I thought was good and I don't
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: even really think I mean, is it crass, sure, But
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: like those girls on there, they're pretty crass too, Like
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: they're cursing and you know, their foul mouth, and they're
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: calling each other names, and you know they're because they're
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: like I mean, a lot of them are, like I said,
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: they're prostitutes or strippers or something like that. So they
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: act that out there. You know they're they're three or
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: four is a lot of them, not all of them,
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: And so like to say, oh, well, you know, you
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: knew that it was rude. It's like, is it though,
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: like or is it just guys being honest with each other?
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: Like can you know? Like I don't. I don't think
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: it's entirely fair again to describe the way men communicate
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: as somehow like mm hmm, let's say more uh, in
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: a more negative or pejorative way to see that, because
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: that's really all it is, Like, it's just the way
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: men communicate is different from the way women do it.
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, And you're you're right because men prize like
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: women seem to prize a feeling, a vibe, and men
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: men want truth and facts because truth and facts are actionable.
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: And you can sort of see why that would be
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: because women are evolutionarily keyed to lay down the emotional
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: habits of very young children, so you don't want to
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: expose young children to the extremes of human existence. So
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: women tend to want to keep it vibe, you know.
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: And so I'm not sure sure if they're they're able really,
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: but to keep conflicts.
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: Morescurate, they want to they want to, like essentially they
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: engage in conversation to keep but their goal is to
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: keep things more safe, and they're more agreeable, and they're
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: more likely to be like, oh, you know if a
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: girl says something they disagree with, like, well, you know,
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: I see where you're coming from. You know, have you
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: considered like you have to like work a long way
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: around to get to something. Yeah, and men just to like, look,
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: let's just get down to the nitty gritty, right, and
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: women find that And again I'm speaking in broad strokes,
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: I know, but women will generally find that like more
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: let's say, anxiety inducing, like oh my god, you're just
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: saying that, you know, and men are like yeah, yeah.
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: On the other hand, like I've always found female dominated
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: spaces to be extremely stressful because it always feels like
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: I'm walking on eggshells. Yes, and that the ultimately what
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: happens is that you have to conform to whatever the
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: dominant woman's opinion about things is. And of course I don't, like,
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: I have no interest. I remember going into home maths
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: for them, and he had a room just for the women,
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: and I think that that it was it was in
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: the process of breaking apart or people women were going
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: to disappear or whatever. And I remember getting in there,
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: I'm like this is a very uncomfortable atmosphere. And there
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: was a woman who worked in the oil industry, and
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: the oil industry is very male dominated and it's very
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: results dominated, and she described how she had to deal
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: with stupid humor from men, which is which is less
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: offensive and just more like grown worthy, like uh like
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: get dad humor, except maybe a bit more ribaled that
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: kind of thing. And another woman was like, you shouldn't
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: you shouldn't You shouldn't just tolerate that, and she's like, well,
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's my job. If I start kicking up
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: a fuss, I'm gonna lose it. And and she's like,
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: but you need to stand up for all the women
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: who aren't part of that job nor will ever take it.
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: And I'm like watching this exchange, and I'm like, what
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: are you doing? You're forcing her to conform to your expectations,
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: Like and why should did she have to do that?
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: Like why should she go out of her way to
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: incur harm to herself? Because that's what this is. If
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: she's just able to go to work and tolerate this
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: shit and shrug it off with a haha, that's really funny, Todd,
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: then she should be able to just do that. She
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: doesn't have to constantly be an avatar of women's expectations
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: of maintaining the vibe into every freaking because she can
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: live her life right and let you can let her
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: live her life. And she was like, oh my god,
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: well I don't have to listen to you. And I'm like, yes, exactly,
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: you don't have to listen to me. She doesn't have
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: to listen to you. And that's the thing, Like, this
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: is the this is the irritation that I get with women.
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: They're so controlling, right, and it's it's it is. It
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: is like they every time they'd start to consume each
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: other autonomy, they blame it on patriarchy, so they get
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: nowhere with it. It's like one woman will pop her
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: head above the palisade and say, hey, I actually find
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: my problem is actually with the behavior of other women,
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: and then she will get a volley in the face.
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: So it's never dealt with. It's always just this endless
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: obnoxious I have control over your life because you have
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: to serve the sisterhood. I'm like, fuck you, fuck you.
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: I don't have to serve the sisterhood. I can be
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: an independent actor and I can judge myself based on
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: my behavior towards other individuals, not the fucking sisterhood. Sorry
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: a little bit.
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: I just wanted to say something else I thought of
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: while we were sitting here, is that because men and
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: women do communicate differently, I think I understand that women
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: don't understand what men are doing when they're talking to
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: each other and when they so when they tried to
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: sort of like jump into a conversation between men, they
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: only they use the tactics they think men are using.
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: But it just comes across as insulting because they that's
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: all they pick out of men's conversations with other men.
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: They see the aggression and the insult, but they see
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: it like in a vacuum, like it's and it may
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: not even be really a serious insult. For example. And
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: I know, you know, just to bring it up again,
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: but when we covered the live debate between Andrew Wilson
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: and Natty, she was just hurling insults, right, all this
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: passive aggression, all of these insults at him, and he
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: was just like he didn't understand where it's coming from.
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: I think it's because if you watch his debates as
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: a woman, that's all you see is him like calling
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: people name. That's why when people talk about the whatever podcast,
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: all they can think of are the insults, which are
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: probably not that frequent, and I think most of the
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: conversation is relatively respectful. But when men argue, they're very
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: like their stance, they're assertive, they don't apologize. They may
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: say things that are you know, crass or direct or whatever,
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: but women see that as insulting, and so when women
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: try to be a part of the conversation, it's almost
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: like that's the only part of the way men communicate
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: that they pick out, and then you start using that
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: and they think they're winning, and it's like, but you're
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: not saying anything of substance. You're just you're just insulting
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: the person. Like it's there, like there's you know what
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: I'm saying, Like it's like yeah, it's like women don't
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: get the way men. That's why, like, for example, that's
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: why women hate Trump so much because of the way
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: he communicates. They think it's nothing but insults. But there's
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: that there's no substance, and it's like, but you're not
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: listening to what's actually being said. You just are focused
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: on the parts of what's being said that you don't like.
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: So that's all you can see. Do you see what
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: I'm saying?
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that it's it's because women want to
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: be right. I actually made a joke a while back
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: in the discord that the problem is that women mistake
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: women's rights, for women are always right, and it's they
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: get I think, connected to being right in a way
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: that men maybe don't. And it might be just another
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: a cultural thing because generally, in order to lay down
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: the emotional habits necessary for a civilization, there has to
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: be conformity. So there has to be the one right
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: way when you're talking about busing very young children. Otherwise
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: it's chaos. Right, So there's this drive I think for
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: women to have the one right way and be I
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: don't know, shield maidens of the one right way. And
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: if you say, well, no, actually that isn't right, there
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: might be another right way. It becomes really because they're
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: all sort of competing over the same kind of territory,
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: if that makes sense. Like men can be right when
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: it comes to welding, and then another man can be
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: right when it comes to building steps, and another man
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: can be right when it comes to fixing a computer.
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: Another man can be right when it comes to fixing
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: a car, but there isn't that much latitude when it
• 49:21
  Speaker 2: comes to raising very young children. Do you get what
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: I'm saying?
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you know.
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: And if women are and I think they are more
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: evolutionarily primed to raise very young children, I don't think
• 49:35
  Speaker 2: that men do a very bad job of it at
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: all when they do, which is interesting. But if that's
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: the way it is, then they would have a tendency
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: to be much more controlling around the concept of what
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: is right, you know, and not really understand that people
• 49:52
  Speaker 2: can be right in certain circumstances wrong in other circumstances.
• 49:57
  Speaker 2: The applications of certain and solutions might be incorrect here
• 50:02
  Speaker 2: but correct, So there's not I don't know if there's
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: that flexibility, And then they take it very personally if
• 50:08
  Speaker 2: they feel like they're not being seen as right, so
• 50:10
  Speaker 2: they think it's an insult, like they don't realize they
• 50:13
  Speaker 2: just get so ego invested in this being right, is
• 50:19
  Speaker 2: what I'm getting at. That it becomes when when you're
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: in a debate and another person says, well, that is
• 50:25
  Speaker 2: not right. What you're saying is not right. That's perceived
• 50:29
  Speaker 2: as an insult. You see what I'm saying. It's and
• 50:33
  Speaker 2: I think the ego investment is because there isn't as
• 50:36
  Speaker 2: much flexibility on what is right when you're dealing with
• 50:39
  Speaker 2: very young children and establishing the emotional habits that support
• 50:42
  Speaker 2: a civilization. And you could sort of understand the logic
• 50:45
  Speaker 2: behind that, But the problem is that we don't recognize
• 50:50
  Speaker 2: these limitations at all in women, and so we don't
• 50:54
  Speaker 2: give them the tools to overcome them depending on the
• 50:57
  Speaker 2: circumstances they're in. Because I'm pretty sure if we said
• 51:02
  Speaker 2: to women, hey, your automatic ego involvement in being right
• 51:08
  Speaker 2: all the time as actually limiting you and maybe you
• 51:12
  Speaker 2: shouldn't do that. Like I think Christianity probably has a
• 51:16
  Speaker 2: few passages on that one, and it will probably improve
• 51:21
  Speaker 2: a lot of the outcomes for these women in the
• 51:22
  Speaker 2: various endeavors that they have. But we don't do that.
• 51:25
  Speaker 2: We just constantly insist that whenever a man corrects the woman,
• 51:29
  Speaker 2: that's wrong. Like somehow half the human race, half the
• 51:34
  Speaker 2: human race that is responsible for building and maintaining the
• 51:39
  Speaker 2: systems that we enjoy, is completely wrong about them. Yeah,
• 51:45
  Speaker 2: it doesn't make a lot of sense. Now I have
• 51:48
  Speaker 2: xed it out.
• 51:50
  Speaker 4: Okay, all right, let's keep going to give you a
• 51:53
  Speaker 4: sense of what it was like when she actually appeared
• 51:56
  Speaker 4: that she is now so traumatized by By the way,
• 51:58
  Speaker 4: if that's the most traumatic experience you've ever had in
• 52:01
  Speaker 4: your life, that tells me you have had a very
• 52:04
  Speaker 4: sheltered life for which you should be grateful. Let's look
• 52:07
  Speaker 4: at an actual clip from the show. Now, are you
• 52:10
  Speaker 4: aware that men only got any rights to vote about
• 52:13
  Speaker 4: a decade roughly before women.
• 52:17
  Speaker 6: That is not true. Men have been making The founding
• 52:19
  Speaker 6: fathers were all men. So I have no idea what
• 52:20
  Speaker 6: you're talking about.
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: The right to vote.
• 52:22
  Speaker 6: The right to vote was historically withheld from men of color.
• 52:24
  Speaker 4: It was also.
• 52:27
  Speaker 6: Do not cut me off.
• 52:28
  Speaker 5: Do not cut me off.
• 52:29
  Speaker 6: I'm in the middle of speaking.
• 52:30
  Speaker 4: I don't care if you're in the middle of speaking.
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: You're in the middle of a debate.
• 52:32
  Speaker 6: The right is to vote.
• 52:33
  Speaker 4: You don't have your TikTok mute button, sweetheart, I.
• 52:37
  Speaker 6: Was speaking anymore until you have a conversation with it.
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: All right, So she got wow, because again, was he
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: was he insulting? This is a debate. Okay, this is
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: a debate. So some of what it is, Yes, you
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: do have to rustle some jimmies to like score you
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: know a little bit, but ultimately she tried to do
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: the whole. Well, the Founding Fathers were all men, therefore
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: therefore what.
• 53:08
  Speaker 2: So like, you know, he bought a war or the
• 53:11
  Speaker 2: rights that they got, but they didn't have those rights
• 53:14
  Speaker 2: until they fought a war for them. Yeah, Like seriously,
• 53:19
  Speaker 2: if she was a woman, Okay, let's let's just let
• 53:22
  Speaker 2: me let me try to put this into woman thought. Okay, ladies,
• 53:26
  Speaker 2: you go out into the forest and you have a
• 53:29
  Speaker 2: lovely day gathering nuts and berries and tubers, and then
• 53:34
  Speaker 2: you come home and there's this dude that says you
• 53:38
  Speaker 2: owe me half. Do you think that you owe him half?
• 53:42
  Speaker 2: Because and his logic is because I don't have half,
• 53:46
  Speaker 2: like I don't have the things that you get. You
• 53:48
  Speaker 2: spent all day gathering, so you owe me half of them? Okay,
• 53:53
  Speaker 2: does that logic fly? No, the Founding Fathers did the work.
• 53:57
  Speaker 2: They put their lives in danger in order to gain
• 54:01
  Speaker 2: the rights that didn't exist before they did the work.
• 54:07
  Speaker 2: Why why do women owe are why are women owed
• 54:13
  Speaker 2: the rights that they did the work to get that?
• 54:16
  Speaker 2: The Founding Fathers did the work to get that the
• 54:18
  Speaker 2: men did the work to get. Please inform me what
• 54:23
  Speaker 2: is women's right? Why do women have a right to vote?
• 54:28
  Speaker 2: Why do women have a right to work to labor
• 54:31
  Speaker 2: that men do? Tell me? And furthermore, if women had
• 54:37
  Speaker 2: the right to vote, then how are they going to
• 54:41
  Speaker 2: make sure that they can defend it?
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: Right?
• 54:44
  Speaker 2: Are they going to go out and with a musket
• 54:47
  Speaker 2: and start marching in a freaking square whatever they did
• 54:52
  Speaker 2: at the time, I guess they were doing guerilla warfare. Hey,
• 54:54
  Speaker 2: women can do guerilla warfare, Like were women going to
• 54:57
  Speaker 2: go out and fight for the vote and not just
• 54:59
  Speaker 2: the individual u women who were probably trans men doing it?
• 55:03
  Speaker 2: So don't appropriate the valor of transmn feminists. I'm talking
• 55:07
  Speaker 2: about all women. Are they going to go out and
• 55:09
  Speaker 2: do the work? So why is it? And I guarantee
• 55:12
  Speaker 2: that women understand. Women are very much aware of what
• 55:17
  Speaker 2: the when they do the work, that they should get
• 55:19
  Speaker 2: one hundred percent of the benefit of that work and
• 55:22
  Speaker 2: nobody else, certainly not their husband, should get any benefit
• 55:25
  Speaker 2: from that work. What's mine is mine and what's his
• 55:28
  Speaker 2: is mine? Right, and you can't apply that to the vote.
• 55:31
  Speaker 2: Men earned their say in the political process and they
• 55:36
  Speaker 2: have done so when for as long as there has
• 55:39
  Speaker 2: been a political say, a political process, and a say
• 55:43
  Speaker 2: in it, they have had to fight because, as the
• 55:47
  Speaker 2: founding Father's show, those rights didn't exist until they fought
• 55:52
  Speaker 2: for them and they established them, and they said, we
• 55:56
  Speaker 2: are going to die. We are going to die in
• 55:59
  Speaker 2: the service of maintaining our rights. And you're telling me
• 56:02
  Speaker 2: that women, oh, that are old they aren't. Women are
• 56:05
  Speaker 2: not old shit. If women can understand that men aren't
• 56:11
  Speaker 2: old shit, if women do the labor, then women can
• 56:14
  Speaker 2: understand that women aren't ol shit if men do the labor.
• 56:19
  Speaker 2: And I mean, like, that's where I would have gone.
• 56:23
  Speaker 2: I wouldn't have I wouldn't have gotten into this trap
• 56:25
  Speaker 2: of oh, well it was the uh you know, it
• 56:28
  Speaker 2: was white men, black men, it was brown men, it
• 56:31
  Speaker 2: was the Asian man. Like, I wouldn't have gotten into
• 56:33
  Speaker 2: this trap. I'm like, who fought for the rights? Hmm?
• 56:37
  Speaker 2: What a surprise that the group that initially fought for
• 56:40
  Speaker 2: those rights got them first, and then gradually as other
• 56:44
  Speaker 2: groups of men also fought to maintain those rights, they
• 56:49
  Speaker 2: got the right to vote whom I wonder why, because
• 56:55
  Speaker 2: they earned it. Until we get to the nineteenth amendment,
• 57:00
  Speaker 2: and then suddenly nobody has to earn nothing because women
• 57:04
  Speaker 2: are demanding it. Not not even a nurse or a
• 57:10
  Speaker 2: doctor's draft for women. Nope, nothing. Women did nothing to
• 57:17
  Speaker 2: earn the vote. And it shows, I know, one hundred
• 57:22
  Speaker 2: years later, it shows.
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: Okay, all right, let's keep going. Really, look.
• 57:34
  Speaker 8: If we can for both people, if we can allow
• 57:38
  Speaker 8: each other to finish, even if you want to jump in,
• 57:41
  Speaker 8: just let the other person finish speaking. If somebody's going
• 57:45
  Speaker 8: on a monologue and they're filibustering, I'll try to get
• 57:49
  Speaker 8: them to wrap up, but just if they're making a point.
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: The finish.
• 57:53
  Speaker 6: Now, I did not go to school for four years
• 57:56
  Speaker 6: and build a platform, so I.
• 57:59
  Speaker 2: Will be I think, what do you think they would accuse.
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: Me of rape if you went on there? Uh? Yeah,
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: Roma was on there like yesterday, so they flew CHLOI
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: Roma out to the whatever podcast. I didn't watch it,
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: I mean, you know, I don't. I didn't watch it,
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: so I don't know. I don't. I haven't like Chloy
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: Roma is kind of like, I know, I'm not trying
• 58:21
  Speaker 1: to be me, but she's kind of low tier in
• 58:23
  Speaker 1: terms of like the quality of her content. So I
• 58:26
  Speaker 1: have no interest, like you know, standing on the shoulders
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: of the giants. That's all I'm going to say. So
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: but uh so, yeah, I didn't really think there was
• 58:34
  Speaker 1: much to it, but I know she was.
• 58:35
  Speaker 2: While pretending that she's she's fifty feet tall.
• 58:38
  Speaker 1: And yeah, that basically invented everything. Like I want to
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: see the eventual like you know, Thunderdome with the originators
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: of the men's movement involving Rollo Tamasi versus Roma. But yeah,
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: I do. I think that I didn't watch it, but
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: I know she was on there. So this is this
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: is this is not irrelevant because cause it means like
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: the thing that gives me the most let's say white
• 59:05
  Speaker 1: pills of all this is that the conversation that we've
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: been having is like it is out there, Like it
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: is out there and there's nothing that can stop it
• 59:15
  Speaker 1: because it's based in truth and a lot of men
• 59:17
  Speaker 1: are looking for that. And so you know, when you
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: consider all the people involve different quality, like there are
• 59:22
  Speaker 1: all different levels, you know, but it's out there.
• 59:26
  Speaker 2: So yeah, it's just you know, us autists we got
• 59:29
  Speaker 2: there first. Yeah, yeah, it's not it's not it's not
• 59:36
  Speaker 2: men appropriating women's stuff like the feminists like to say.
• 59:38
  Speaker 2: It's it's the norm. He's appropriating the artists. I am
• 59:42
  Speaker 2: being very facetious. Do not quote me on that.
• 59:45
  Speaker 1: Okay, all right, let's uh, let's keep.
• 59:47
  Speaker 3: Going finish now.
• 59:50
  Speaker 6: I did not go to school for four years and
• 59:52
  Speaker 6: build a platform to be talked to like this. So
• 59:55
  Speaker 6: I will be walking away from the microphone right now,
• 59:57
  Speaker 6: and I wouldn't get you to get your best under control.
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 6: I'm gonna take two minutes so you can ask him
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 6: questions if you'd like, and I will be right back
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 6: because you show I.
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: Just see now, this is a this is a tactic.
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: He was rude to me. I'm gonna leave this bit. Basically,
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna take you my ball and I'm going home.
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 1: And Andrew is rightfully, and I'm sorry, but he's right.
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 1: He's like, this isn't your show. You don't have control
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 1: over how this thing goes. And you could leave if
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 1: you want to, but you're not gonna look like a winner.
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 1: So h okay, won't And I don't give a ship.
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 1: What do I care. I'm here to have a debate.
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 1: Now listen to your whining. Do you want to have
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 1: a debate or not all.
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 6: Right, I'm not gonna be talking to you like this.
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 8: Well do you want do you want to just take
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 8: two minute breather? You want to take a two minute breather?
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 1: This is feminism. You're the strong woman.
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 4: You're the strong woman.
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 1: She comes back for a bit. So I don't know if, like,
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 1: I don't think Brad Colombo has the whole context, Alison,
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 1: are you frozen?
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 2: No, I'm not frozen. I'm just I'm just boggling.
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 1: Mhmm. Yeah.
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 2: But he's he's yeah, he's pretty cutthroat. He's like, uh,
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 2: he goes for the the identity, doesn't he? And yes,
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 2: well yeah absolutely, that is not an active strength.
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 1: I mean, like it's is he wrong though? Like that's
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 1: that's all. That's all I care about. He's not wrong,
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 1: So likes. Because like the thing is, once you start
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 1: concerning yourself with tone, you lose. Because these people control
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 1: the tone. That's their whole thing. That's their fucking main
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 1: gun is tone control. If you let them control the tone,
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 1: you will lose. If you let them control the language,
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 1: you will lose. You have to hold their feet to
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 1: the fire. You have to. It's the only way. And yeah,
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 1: they'll probably cry and spurg out or whatever, crash out.
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: So fucking what you know, if you're gonna because you
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 1: what you are talking about affects people's lives, you want
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 1: to do this through legislation, through the political will of
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 1: the government and all the force that comes with that,
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 1: you better bring fucking receipts. So no, I don't blame
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 1: him at all for that. That's what has to happen.
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 1: That's that's what feminism has to be destroyed. It has
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 1: to be burned to the ground. And we have to like,
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 1: if somebody hears the word, they have to basically be like, no,
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 1: I don't want to deal with that. It has to
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 1: be as bad as Nazism is. It has to be
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 1: treated the same because it is the same. That's the
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 1: only way you have to like.
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 2: Is that it needs be to be the behavior yeah
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 2: saying like women playing the victim, the behavior of asserting
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 2: that men oppress women, which is just basically another way
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 2: of saying men are strong, women are weak. Therefore men,
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 2: men have to serve women at all of that the
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 2: expectations that men lead, but giving them no ability to
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 2: do so, meaning that all that you're doing is blaming
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 2: men for women's choices. All of this we have to look,
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 2: we have to get we have to look at it,
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 2: and we have to resolve it. And nobody like that
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 2: is one of the hardest things to do because it's
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 2: how people have structured their self worth in this society.
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 2: Men take self worth from service to women, from a
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 2: sense of guilt to women, and women take self worth
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 2: and being able to direct men to do shit. So
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 2: when you say no, we got to actually fix this,
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 2: we gotta look at it and we got to fix
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 2: it because it's not serving us. You know, people don't
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 2: want to do it. Because people that is the hardest
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 2: thing for any human being to challenge is where they
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 2: get their sense of self worth from, what actions? They
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 2: get their self worth from how they arrange themselves in
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 2: relation to society and other people and in order to
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 2: feel a sense of self worth. That is the hardest
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 2: thing to question. And I as much as you say that,
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 2: Andrew Wilson, is you know, putting the forth stuff that
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 2: we are putting forth, which is great. The fact that
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 2: we go back to that over and over again, the
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 2: fact that you say no, women have to take responsibility
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 2: and men have to let go of some responsibility. That's
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 2: going right into how people feel like they have worth.
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 2: Men feel like they have worth when they take responsibility,
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 2: and women feel like they have worth when men take
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 2: responsibility from them. And when you got two weirdos on
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 2: the internet saying hey, I think that this is why
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 2: the world is going to hell and is on fire,
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 2: nobody wants to listen to that because it's just it's
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 2: it's honestly, I think everybody here can agree that there
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 2: is something wrong, and what we're saying is common sense.
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 2: But when you identify your self worth with pushing the
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 2: door and not pulling it, somebody saying, hey, that door
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 2: says poll you don't want to hear it. You'll just
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 2: push harder just to prove them wrong. And that's what
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 2: we're up against. But on the other hand, what where
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 2: this particular framework of how we see men and women
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 2: in the relationship between them. Where this has led us
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 2: is to a society that's suffering from an oversaturation of
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 2: rejecting men. That's what it is. That's I know this
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 2: is gonna sound challenging, but everything that's wrong with the world,
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 2: almost everything, probably not everything, but close to everything, can
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 2: come back to the fact that we women are over
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 2: rejecting men. They're rejecting men for stupid reasons. They're rejecting
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 2: masculinity because they don't want to feel like they're wrong.
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 2: As women, they don't want to feel like there's anything
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 2: that they don't know, that there's anything that they should
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 2: maybe grow from or develop or take responsibility for. That's
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 2: our problem, and if we are ever going to overcome
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 2: this over rejection of men, we're going to have to
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 2: challenge how we take our self worth as men and women.
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 2: Women rejecting men. That's got to change men feeling like
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 2: they're overcoming women's rejection. Maybe that needs to be questions
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 2: this is a source of self worth because it's creating
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 2: a lot of dare I say simping? Okay, all right,
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 2: let's keep going.
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 4: This was an l for the feminist community. I mean,
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 4: there's just everything about this is awful, the condescending nature
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 4: of I'm an IVY League educated debater, and I won't
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 4: be spoken to like this. Okay, then you should probably
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 4: be able to handle a little bit of just rough debate.
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 4: Like j I'm not a fan of Andrew Wilson. I
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 4: think he has very extreme, far right political views, and
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 4: oh I need hate us, I mean his approach.
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 2: What well, I'm just thinking that if Brad doesn't like
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 2: Andrew Wilson. I think if we ever came on his radar,
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 2: he'd probably get a chill up. Is fine, Like, oh
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 2: my god, is cracked open? What is that?
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't doesn't even know what Andrew's
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 1: views are. I wonder if it isn't just because Andrew
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 1: goes viral for like, criticized the women and yeah, and
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 1: then he looks at that and says, oh, misogyny must
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 1: be far right, Like he just equates these things. And
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 1: then he claims, oh, I'm not a feminist. You're literally
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 1: playing into the playing into the framework. You know, criticizing
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 1: women is far right. Now. I don't know if you
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 1: guys know that. Also liking women is far right, and
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 1: also around women is far right. It's all far right.
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 1: So yeah, you know what it is.
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 2: You know what it is.
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 1: It is.
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 2: It is unique culture. Women want men to be in
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 2: their unique core era. They want them to be mild, soft,
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 2: disinterested hard work or lift things. Yeah, safe and yet
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 2: and I don't know, maybe they'll go to the forest
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 2: and get a bear when they feel a danger.
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 4: Okay, Okay, at least in this clip is definitely kind
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 4: of hostile and kind of like there is a rudeness
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 4: to it, kind of a gotcha vibe to it that
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 4: I don't love, and it isn't how I would prefer
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 4: to engage in a debate. But the meltdown from her
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 4: is proving his point, right. If his point is that
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 4: like women are sensitive and weak and men are strong,
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 4: it's like you didn't have to place so perfectly into
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 4: the stereotype here.
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but you're missing something if you go back over
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 2: that particular conflict. He started by correcting her, right, And
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 2: the thing is that feminists will gallop, gish gallop. They'll
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 2: they'll spew out a bunch of incorrect facts and then
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 2: if you don't correct them, then they just let that.
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 2: You just let that beat the truth and you it's infuriating.
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 2: That's why I like to just go at the route,
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 2: which is, well, who earned those the right to vote?
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 2: Who earned those rights? Okay, that's why they got him first.
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 2: Let's moving on.
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 1: Ye.
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 2: But uh, but they will gish gallop and they'll spew
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 2: out a whole bunch of facts. And that's what she did.
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 2: She started with a false fact, and then she was
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 2: just going to be like, I'm gonna throw this out
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 2: going so fast that it can't be dealt with. That
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 2: is a dishonest, baiting debating tactic. It's dishonest. So she
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 2: started from a poor, poor, poor, your poor debating style,
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 2: shall we say, So, let's say this is an MMA.
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 2: She starts out with a sneaky uppercut before the bell
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 2: is even wrong to start the match. So she's already
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 2: starting out being a little shit. All right, that's that's
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 2: something that he's not hiving in this analysis. Then when
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 2: she he calls her out on it and says, hey,
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 2: what you're that's incorrect, and he did so he didn't
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 2: do so impolitely. She started throwing her weight around. So
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 2: not only does she start with the sneaky uppercut. When
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 2: the guy was like, hey, wait, that that's not that's
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 2: not part of the rules, and I'm not gonna let
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 2: you get away with that, she started throwing her weight
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 2: around and saying, I'm a refuge, I'm a refee on
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 2: my our referee on my off time. How dare you
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 2: challenge how dare you challenge my understanding of the rules.
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 2: You don't understand the rules as well as I do.
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 2: I know what I'm talking about, and you are. And
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 2: it's like, so, not only does she get a sneaky
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 2: upper cut in, she then goes into a self righteous
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 2: rant why he should shut up, and then he gets
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 2: a snipe jab in back, and you're like, oh, oh yeah,
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 2: because you don't notice how she's being a shit that
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 2: when she she's been a shit in the beginning, she
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 2: was a shit when she was called out, and then
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 2: she continued to be a hit and he was calling
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 2: her out for it. You're saying, you don't get a
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 2: mute button. You don't get to mute me because I'm
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 2: not on your TikTok channel. You don't get to mute me.
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna challenge you on all your bullshit. And he
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 2: didn't even say it that way, he just did it, Okay.
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 2: The fact is he was responding to her being a
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 2: little shit and you're saying, oh, I don't like that. Well, no,
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 2: what is he supposed to What is he actually supposed
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 2: to do? Brad? I know what he's actually supposed to do.
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 2: He's supposed to suck up her shitty behavior, because that's
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 2: what men are supposed to do. Right, and Andrew Wilson doesn't.
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 2: I mean, this is the big thing. This is why
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 2: he's always in the crosshairs. He does not suck up
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 2: these women's shitty behavior, and if they are shitty to him,
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 2: he is shitty back. He plays tit for tat, not
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 2: simp for thought or whatever the hell simp for twat,
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 2: which is what they're playing, which is if a woman's
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 2: a twat, you simp and if she's more of a twat,
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 2: you simp harder. No, Andrew Wayatt Wilson is if you're
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 2: going to play shit games, I'm gonna play shit games back.
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 2: And as bad as you think it makes him look,
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 2: it only reflects your own bias to excuse women.
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 4: All right, all right, my dear, the feminism girl Bossing
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 4: didn't hit the way that we hoped it would in
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 4: this clip, and unfortunately that was kind of indicative of
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 4: how the event went the rest of the podcast. She
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 4: kept like quitting and walking away and then having to
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 4: be coaxed back to the table. Now she claims that
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 4: she only didn't leave because of financial manipulation or something.
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 4: Let's listen to her TikTok video explaining that aspect of
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 4: it how their promise to reimburse her travel expenses was
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 4: held over her head to trap her. There, let's listen
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 4: to that.
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 6: Hi, my name is Kylie. This is part two of
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 6: my story of being harassed by inseels. It has root
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 6: in my mental health so severely that I actually ended
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 6: up getting Bell's palsy. I will not be using names
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 6: specifically because again I am scared of these people.
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 1: But okay, and Paulsy there she got Bell's palsy from comments.
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 2: Online Bell's palsy.
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 1: She got yeah, and yes that she's going to go
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 1: into it. But at one point she said she was
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 1: paid a certain amount of money to go on there,
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 1: and I think by someone, and she was going to
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 1: refund them, that person who paid her to go on
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 1: the whatever podcasts to debate and so what she said, well,
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 1: I'm not gonna do this, so I'm going to return
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 1: the money to that person. And then Brian Atlas, the host,
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 1: he was like, well what if we what if we
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 1: get someone to match that, one of our super chatters,
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 1: So you stay, and so I think they offered her
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 1: double or something, and then she was like, okay, I'll
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 1: say and she stayed for like a little while longer
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 1: and then left anyway. So she was only willing to
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 1: stay because they were throwing money at her, which, by
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 1: the way, that's what this has always been about. That's
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 1: what feminism is. It's a fucking scam to make money.
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 1: But yeah, cerebral cerebral palsy. So let me just go
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 1: back again. She said, like, this is this.
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 3: Is crazy specific because again I am scared of these people,
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 3: but you can do your research. I was misled by
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 3: these people and told that I would be reimbursed for
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 3: traveling out to California from Chicago. I was not, and
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 3: I have yet to receive any money. I am out
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 3: one thousand dollars from my appearance on this podcast, and
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 3: still every day I am harassed by their fans online
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 3: telling me that I got owned, when in reality, I
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 3: was disrespected blatantly to my face and made to feel unsafe.
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 2: These people, are you fucking oh good? That was disrespect?
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 1: Was it? She called? She called the people who went
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 1: to her comments. She just she just threw it out there.
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 1: She just said they were in cells. We don't even know,
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 1: like she just said that this is like what they
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 1: how they use.
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 2: This She's threat narrative basically, she got called out like
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 2: and he wasn't gonna let her gift gop she's got.
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 2: He wasn't gonna let her throw shit out in order
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 2: to terror form the environ meant to suit herself. She
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 2: got called on it. She threw a fit, started throwing
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 2: her weight around like a thug, and he called her
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 2: out on that, and then she raged quit and presumably
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 2: there was no more progress to be had after this,
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 2: And now she's threat narrativing around how she's a victim.
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 2: And yet if she was the recipient of her own behavior,
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 2: she would know that she was being a disrespectful shit heel,
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 2: and she would threat narrating about herself if she had
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 2: received her own behavior. That's like, lady, if you're going
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 2: to go in and act and play dirty, don't be
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 2: offended when somebody says you're playing dirty, and you don't
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 2: get to do this on this platform because you don't
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 2: have a mute button. Right, It's this, was this this,
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 2: And then to say oh, good, great, okay, let's just
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 2: keep this is sorry. I'm i'm uh, We're gonna be
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 2: here forever if I keep ranting over this.
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 1: All right, let's go.
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 5: We're talking about harming women.
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 3: They were drinking alcohol on set and making me feel
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 3: generally very uncomfortable and unsafe, as well as prolonging my
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 3: dress by holding money and financial gain over my head
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 3: because they kept trying financial gain.
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 2: Long you don't holding it over my head financial gain.
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 1: They were jingling the keys of financial gain and that's abuse. Also,
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 1: they were drinking, smoking, but aggressively Brian aggressively drinking. Again.
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 1: They do this on the show. She knows that, like
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 1: I think that if they get over a certain amount
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 1: in a super chat, they pop a bottle of champagne
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 1: and everybody at the table can drink it if they
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 1: want to. You know, it's optional. That's a normal thing
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 1: they do on there.
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 2: So I'm just I'm just having a very really uncharitable thought.
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 2: I mean, if she really wanted to win the argument,
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 2: she could have just pushed him over and sat on him.
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 1: Oof.
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 4: Okay, just saying, okay.
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 3: Conditions in the contract that they wouldn't pay me uto
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 3: unless I stay till the end.
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 5: On the live stream, people would send in.
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 3: Money and be like ten dollars to put a sock
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 3: in her mouth, slap the bitch. Twenty dollars and a
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 3: bunch of other things. Is obviously scared that they would
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 3: take the money and harm me the end.
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 1: Oh my god, nothing back. The bitch of the super
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 1: chat comes in, Andrew gets out of his share the
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 1: come on on camera live really.
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 2: Oh god, she's thinking about it.
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 1: No, she wants, she wants to use anything.
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 2: May play the victim of this in order to establish
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 2: her emotional dominance over it. It's a very old playbook.
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 2: And then it's because she cannot actually support her position.
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 2: I could probably argue the feminist position better than she could.
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 1: Anyway, they didn't pay.
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 4: Okay, so again I am not buying the melo drama
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 4: here that you were tricked into appearing on this podcast.
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 4: It is not their fault. You didn't google it and
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 4: watch a couple episodes before going on. If you did,
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 4: you would have known exactly what to expect. You would
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 4: have known that they do belittle their female guests, sometimes
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 4: in ways that I don't support and don't think our
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 4: Oh you're productive, they do.
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 1: Oh god, dude, stop. They go on there to be
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 1: belittled on purpose because they weren't their to their only fans.
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 1: Well when it happens, okay, And and the thing is too.
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 1: A lot of women do that to other women on there.
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 1: It's not just men that are like, oh, I don't
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 1: have anything to do that, I think I want to
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 1: go something, and.
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 2: Agreeing with this guy because she calls it belittling if
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 2: a woman, for if a man behaved in the way
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 2: that these women did, what would they do to him?
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 2: Would they belittle him?
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 1: At least they probably get a lot more Yeah, he'd.
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you might, he might get uh, you know, he
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 2: might get put his head shoved in a toilet, get
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 2: a swirly if he was that dumb. All right, So
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 2: this isn't belittling them because they're women. In fact, they're
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 2: being they're getting petty, they're getting a kitt glove treatment
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 2: because they're women. Because if men went on this podcast
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 2: and said the things that these women say, they get
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 2: worse treatments.
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 1: That podcast and they have. But those clips don't go viral.
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 2: Alison, of course not because it doesn't buy into the
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 2: narrative of the virulent misogyny against women like I wish,
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 2: I wish that they would get like one of the
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 2: Karen Well, Karen probably wouldn't go on because she doesn't
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 2: want to travel. But like, get a female m r
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 2: to go after these women.
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 1: Well, Roma was on there, but but again I don't
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I watched a little bit of it.
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 1: I got bored and I left it. She was she
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 1: was no she did. From what I saw, she was
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 1: not very confrontational or combative. I think it was just
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 1: like they were just vibing there and I was like, Okay,
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 1: this is going nowhere. I got bored because, yeah, women,
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 1: it's boring because there's even when they's supposed to be
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 1: about something really contentious, they never get to it because
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 1: everyone's like laying the pillows out, so you don't was
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 1: away from his computer for a while.
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 2: Get someone more savage one. If you're gonna have a woman,
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 2: take that to have Pearl hunt.
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 1: You know, Pearl has been on I think. And also
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 1: there's this comedian female It was a while ago. I
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 1: don't really remember. I'm sure it was and I And
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 1: also there's a comedian named LEONARDA. Joni who's like one
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 1: of the most like censored comedians like women on the internet.
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 1: But she was on there, and she was a lot
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 1: more like no kid Gloves. But again, I don't think
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 1: a lot of her content went viral. A lot of
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 1: it comes down to, yeah, because it's a woman holding
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 1: other women accountable. I don't think that stuff goes viral
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 1: as much. And it's the stuff where men are being
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 1: held to their feet to the fire doesn't go viral
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 1: either because nobody gives a shit like Okay, you know
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 1: he got he got schooled in this particular subject, but
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 1: nobody cares enough to share it around like, oh my god,
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 1: look what they did to this guy. No nobody cares.
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 2: So he says, Roma is more of a feminist than
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 2: an m RA.
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 1: Yes, I know we've said that. I mean, she knows
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 1: the she knows a lot of the m R talking points,
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 1: but she's definitely got more of a feminist sympathetic side.
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 1: I don't know how to put it, but definitely like
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 1: a blue pilled anti feminist or a blue pilled MRA.
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 1: Let's put it that way. Is that fair? You guys
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 1: think she's like a blue pilled men's rights activist because
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 1: she she's very concerned with how her message makes women feel.
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 1: So something you're gonna have confront at some point.
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 2: But yeah, yeah, unfortunately, we just can't care because the
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 2: thing is, it can't be about how women feel as
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 2: soon as it is you lose. Yeah, it has to
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 2: be about how what women do. Can't be about howe
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 2: It has to be about what women do. And if
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 2: you don't understand the difference, then I can't help you.
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 2: You're going to be part of the the mass dissolving?
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 2: Shall we shall we call it? All right, let's all right, let's.
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 4: Keep going mm hmm antagonize their female guests, and I
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 4: guess sometimes their male guests as well, And it's not.
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 2: Like what about Yeah, I'm going to work on my
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 2: camera here for a sec. But so just keep going
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 2: and responding.
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 1: All right.
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 4: That said, you should have known that. You also should
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 4: have known that no one gets assaulted on They don't
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 4: punch or hit people, that that's not a thing that
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 4: happens on their show, and you had no real reason
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 4: to believe that it would. Now, as for the expenses, listen,
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 4: if I ran the podcast, if I was this Brian guy,
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 4: I would probably reimburse her just because she did come
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 4: all the way out there. You did get the views
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 4: and clicks that you were hoping for. But in hi defense,
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 4: they had an agreement and a written agreement that she
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 4: would come and complete the podcast, and he would reimburse her,
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 4: and she left early, and both sides.
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 1: No, she did not live up to her end of
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 1: the deal. She doesn't deserve any money. And I guarantee
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 1: you that her crying on TikTok about this probably got
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 1: a bunch of people to send her money. So she's fine, dude,
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 1: She's gonna be just fine.
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, she's fine.
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 1: She broke a contract, it was an agreement, she didn't
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 1: go through with it. Why would he give her anything?
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 1: He doesn't have.
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 4: Totiuple times disrupted the podcast, she didn't stay till the end.
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 4: She didn't really hold up her end of the deal.
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 4: So it's exactly the craziest thing in the world that
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 4: you would refuse to reimburse her. I would probably still
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 4: reimburse if I was him, especially to take away, you know,
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 4: whatever tiny bit of a legitimate grievance she might have
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 4: to garner sympathy in this fallout. But I don't think
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 4: he's crazy for not wanting to reimburse her when she
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 4: didn't hold up her end of the bargain, which again,
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 4: she should have known what she was signing up for
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 4: by doing basic due diligence. And it's not his fault
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 4: if she agreed to do something that she was not
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 4: emotionally or mentally strong enough to actually fulfill, and yet
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 4: expects the full benefits of the contract. Ironically, that doesn't
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 4: seem very feminist to me. The feminist position would be
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 4: that men and women are equal, and that a woman
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 4: is just as capable of fulfilling her obligations and being
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 4: held to account to the agreement she signs up to you.
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 1: Sweet summer child. Oh well, that doesn't sound like feminism
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 1: that I read about. That's weird. She stopped living up
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 1: to those standards that she has. I'm sorry, I don't
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 1: mean a shit on this guy, and always like a
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 1: normy dude that's talking about this. But when I hear
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 1: people say, oh, that's odd, whoa what would it be
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 1: like if the shoe was on the other foot, this
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 1: is weirdly hypocritical, Like, you know, that doesn't sound very feminist.
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 2: John Doe says, Roma is worried about misogyny in the MRM.
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, she's made videos about it.
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because she again is concerned about how things make
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 2: women feel, as opposed to because being concerned about what
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 2: women do. You know, my concern is that what women
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 2: do and the consequences of what women do is sacrificed
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 2: for how women feel. And not only do I find
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 2: that unbelievably patronizing, I think it's toxic and I would
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 2: consider that to be misogyny. I don't I want to know.
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 2: I don't care. Don't don't don't, don't, don't, don't flatter
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 2: my feelings. I want to know the truth, Kay, I
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 2: want to know the truth. I don't want to live
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 2: in this freaking, this vibe of lukewarm vomit or amniotic
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 2: fluid that that women seem to want to exist with them.
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 2: Just tell me the truth. Just tell it to me straight,
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 2: be honest. That is more respect than whatever these whatever
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 2: roma wants for women. And if you can't do that,
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 2: then how can you be part of a solution? Like
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 2: the problem is that women are not being held accountable
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 2: for their half of holding up the sky. If telling
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 2: women that makes them feel uncomfortable, and you're not allowed
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 2: to make women feel uncomfortable, how do you solve the problem.
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 2: You're just a distraction. I'm sorry. You just got to
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 2: be able to blame women, and you've got to be
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 2: able to say suck it up, buttercup, when're upset, and yes,
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 2: you need to uphold your contractual duties. If you sign
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 2: a contract, you should do your half. And even though
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 2: this guy would be like, oh, I'd pay her, maybe
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 2: she can learn a lesson from this, all right. And
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 2: that's actually why I like I think Pearl more than Roma,
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 2: because Pearl doesn't seem to think that she's not operating
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 2: in the in the sphere of I need to care
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 2: about what women feel. I mean, I wouldn't necessarily go
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 2: as far as Pearl in terms of just tearing women down,
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 2: because that's not my focus. My focus is on getting
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 2: women to take responsibility for the things that they need
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 2: to take responsibility for so we can have a functional society.
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 2: Whereas Pearl seems to delight in being a gadfly and
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 2: instigating shit and trolling the overinflated egos of the modern woman,
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 2: which you know, I can understand, it's just not my focus. Okay,
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 2: all right, let's keep going.
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 4: Instead, she seems to want the best of both worlds
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 4: that nobody can hostily debate her the same way they
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 4: would a man. She can still get her end of
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 4: the deal without having to fulfill her obligations. Like ironically,
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 4: it doesn't seem actually equal at all. But here's the part,
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 4: it's almost like they don't want equality.
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 1: Do they understand what.
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 2: What it benefits her ego and abandoning it when it doesn't.
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 2: That doesn't seem feminist.
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 1: He that doesn't sound like her quality. Look, Brad, I
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 1: don't have anything against you, but you're clearly like new
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 1: to this whole thing called These people don't care about hypocrisy,
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 1: so they care about hierarchy, They care about power.
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 2: Warred about equality. They would have started their entire movement
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 2: by looking at the situation with for men in society
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 2: and historically with the same concern and rigor as they
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 2: attempted to find women's victimhood. And they did not. From
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 2: the very start, feminism wasn't about equality and never acted
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 2: like it was right. You know, if if the suffragettes
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 2: were honest the suffragettes, the suffragettes were honest about equality,
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 2: they would have recognized that men had to serve their
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 2: country and protect the rights that they would they often
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 2: didn't even have before they did protect them in order
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 2: to get those rights right. They would have recognized that.
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 2: Instead they handed out white, white, white feathers for shaming
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 2: men for not not paying the price for the for
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 2: being a male citizen. They don't even have the vote.
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 2: At the time, they suffragettes shamed men for not paying
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 2: the price for a vote they didn't have, while shaming
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 2: men for not having a vote that they never paid
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 2: the price for. That's not equality, and it never was.
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 2: Their first act was a massive inequality. There was an
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 2: act of creating massive inequality that incidentally most women were against,
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 2: maybe partly for that reason. Right, So feminists always were
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 2: about inequality in favor of their brand of womanhood, because
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 2: not every woman agreed with them, and at the time
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 2: they were championing or they were doing terrorist acts to
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 2: try to force the vote, most women disagreed with them.
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 2: Now most women agree with them because we've had a
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 2: century of chipping away at the relationship between men and women,
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 2: leading to massive amounts of single, miserable single women who
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 2: are statistically far more miserable than married women. Right, miserable
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 2: single women who so only hope in life, I guess
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 2: is to advocate for for policies that are insane and
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 2: uh and expand their misery. So well, here we are.
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 2: It was never about equality.
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 1: No, sorry, we'll figure it out at some point.
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 4: But yeah, totally lose the plot because I'm not without
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 4: any sympathy for her experiences here. They definitely weren't nice
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 4: to her, and if she didn't know that, what she
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 4: that's what she was signing up for. If she's not
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 4: used to this kind of you know, verbal jousting and
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 4: hostile debate. I wouldn't be phased by it, because I've
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 4: done him many times. Again. She should have looked into
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 4: it before agreeing to do it, But I can understand
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 4: how that would be a very jarring and upsetting experience
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 4: for someone. Here's where she totally one hundred scent loses me.
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 1: I'm busing it there again. So she lost me when
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 1: he opened.
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 2: Up, when she opened her mouth.
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 1: But go ahead, Yeah, yeah, there was something he said
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 1: that I wanted to comment Tom, But I want to go.
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 4: Back a little bit and listen again, because I'm not
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 4: without any sympathy for her experiences here. They definitely weren't
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 4: nice to her, and if she.
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, that's that's the thing I wanted to comment on.
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 1: So it's interesting because I think that when men are
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 1: let's say direct, or even rude or crass with each other.
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 1: We can see it like it's very it's on the
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 1: surfaces right there. But when women do it, we they
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 1: do it, they do it while being nice. So I
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 1: think what I'm what I'm seeing is I wonder if
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 1: Brad knows that that woman when she said, like you know,
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 1: all this stuff about like oh it was white men,
• 1:34:59
  Speaker 1: and like I will not put up with that, Like
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 1: she wasn't being nice. She was being like hostile in
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 1: a a very like passive way. She was very combative.
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 1: And I wouldn't even be bothered by that, Like it
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 1: wouldn't matter because, like I said, we are that they
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 1: are there to debate. If there's gonna be bans, there's
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 1: gonna be you know, some kind of it's intended to
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 1: be combative, like that's the framing of it. But it's
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 1: funny that he doesn't see her way of communicating as
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 1: as you know, let's say not nice, you know what
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 1: I mean, you know.
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 2: And actually her way of communicating is much worse. And
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 2: I'll tell you why. She he's banting. He's using bands
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 2: like that whole you don't have your Twitter Twitter, but
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 2: that's bans. She's using dehumanizing rhetoric. And when I used
• 1:35:56
  Speaker 2: the word dehumanizing. It's actually a misnomer to call it dehumanizing,
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 2: because when we target a group of people for callous,
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 2: cruel and violent actions, we don't dehumanize them. We frame
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 2: them as criminal. So what she's doing is she's framing
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 2: him as criminal. So she is engaging in targeting him
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 2: for war. She's targeting him with war propaganda basically, so
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 2: propaganda that you would use in order to justify taking
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 2: away someone's rights, taking away someone's freedom, incarcerating them, destroying them,
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 2: killing them, and doing all sorts of antisocial things to them.
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 2: So she's leveling that rhetoric against him, and nobody is
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 2: prepared to realize that makes her the monster. The instance
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 2: she started doing that, she became the moral monster. He's
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 2: engaging in bands, he's engaging in calling her on the
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 2: mat right, right, they're they're having their their philosophical mma fight.
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 2: She's the one that's brought a shive right and is
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 2: prepared to use it to stab him to death to
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 2: a fight, an mma fight that's supposed to go by
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 2: certain rules, like you're not there to kill your opponent.
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 2: She is a savage thug, right, and she's there engaging
• 1:37:39
  Speaker 2: in savage thuggery, and nobody sees that because we feel
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 2: like it's okay for women to use rhetoric that frames
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 2: men is criminal. We think it's okay, even though we
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 2: are now know that that kind of rhetoric is the
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 2: most dangerous rhetoric period Like that is, if there is
• 1:38:07
  Speaker 2: anything that is hate speech, that is it to frame
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 2: a group of people as inherently criminal. Not recognize that
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 2: you know that you have a higher percentage of criminality,
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 2: or that you know whatever, but to frame them as
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 2: inherently criminal. That's the kind of rhetoric you use in war, right,
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 2: and she is directing that against him. At that point,
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 2: she should probably have been escorted off. She should probably
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 2: have been told right, this is a place where people
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 2: engage in safe debate, not a place where you get
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 2: to come in and start threatening people with extreme violence. Right,
• 1:38:59
  Speaker 2: That is the That is probably where I would have
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 2: gone with that, because what she's doing is horrific and
• 1:39:08
  Speaker 2: that and nobody realizes this. Nobody notices this because again
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 2: we seem to just give a woman a pass on
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 2: framing men as criminal, and somehow that's justified. But that
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 2: is like if you had a hierarchy of harms that
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 2: you can do with your mouth, that's on the very top.
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 2: So she starts this whole thing basically pulling a gun
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 2: on him, and then he's like, no, I'm I'm not
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 2: going to respond to that. And then she plays the
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 2: victim just like a little hun right, just like a
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 2: like just like a little mongol or well, you know,
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 2: like a somebody who's an aggressive person on a horse. Sorry,
• 1:39:56
  Speaker 2: the just like a desperado. She's just she comes in
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 2: guns of kimbo, and nobody calls her out on it.
• 1:40:04
  Speaker 2: Nobody says, you know what, that's bad cricket. And they
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 2: really should, like, I mean, if they're if they're going
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 2: to call out anything when women start with the threat
• 1:40:16
  Speaker 2: narrativing and start with framing men as criminal, they should
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 2: say stop, you are engaging in violence the only type
• 1:40:27
  Speaker 2: of wordage that could really be considered violence, which is
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 2: what's consistent with wartime propaganda. If they really want to
• 1:40:37
  Speaker 2: play this game, I mean, sure, let her say it,
• 1:40:39
  Speaker 2: but call it out. Call it out for what it is.
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 2: You are attacking Andrew Wilson very right to exist, right.
• 1:40:50
  Speaker 2: And then and then this guy's like, well, I think
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 2: that he was a little. She's attacking his very right
• 1:40:55
  Speaker 2: to exist. She's attacking is very right to exist. All
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 2: he's responding with two is keep to the facts, ma'am,
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 2: and dance. Are you fucking mental? It's like going into
• 1:41:09
  Speaker 2: let me try a different way of it. It's like
• 1:41:11
  Speaker 2: going in and saying that someone who pulled a gun
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 2: is equivalent to I don't know somebody who uh simply
• 1:41:25
  Speaker 2: said what are you gonna do?
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 1: Man?
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 2: And then the guy pulls a gun? And then you're saying,
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 2: oh my god, and it's not. In fact, she didn't
• 1:41:31
  Speaker 2: she pulled the gun first. And then and then let's say,
• 1:41:35
  Speaker 2: the guy's really good and he manages to disarm her.
• 1:41:39
  Speaker 2: And this dude comes in and he's like, oh my god,
• 1:41:41
  Speaker 2: you both are wrong. You're both are wrong. You both
• 1:41:44
  Speaker 2: are wrong. No, she pulled the gun. At that point
• 1:41:52
  Speaker 2: she basically said, I'm not here. I'm not here for
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 2: your debate. I'm here to slow what are you? Andrew Wilson?
• 1:42:03
  Speaker 2: And then then and he she comes in as, oh,
• 1:42:05
  Speaker 2: they're both, they're both. I could see how he was
• 1:42:08
  Speaker 2: being mean, and you don't see how she was being
• 1:42:12
  Speaker 2: absolutely grotesquely brutal. Okay, and this is like I said,
• 1:42:18
  Speaker 2: this is this is what gets me every time. It's
• 1:42:19
  Speaker 2: like the women do this and nobody calls them out
• 1:42:22
  Speaker 2: on it. It's not even like you're talking about she's
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 2: being passive aggressive, that's one thing. But she came right
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 2: out of the gate with a gun. All your men
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 2: are criminals and they okay, right, all right, so you're
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 2: already starting with the most extreme act of social ostracization
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 2: at that point. The fact that Andrew Wilson disarmed her.
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 2: M h yeah, nah, I don't think I don't think
• 1:42:50
  Speaker 2: these things are equivalent. I don't think they are. Okay,
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 2: all right.
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 1: Let's keep going.
• 1:42:57
  Speaker 4: Know that what she that's what she was signing up for.
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 4: If she's not used to this kind of you know,
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 4: verbal jousting and hostile debate, I wouldn't be faced by
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 4: it because I've done them many times.
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 2: Okay, Again, imagine this guy is describing a situation where
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 2: someone someone walks into a room with a gun pulled
• 1:43:16
  Speaker 2: and some other guy actually manages to disarm him. And
• 1:43:20
  Speaker 2: she's like, well, I don't think she knew that she
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 2: was going into a hostile situation. She was the hostile situation,
• 1:43:28
  Speaker 2: good lord, And she's continuing to pull more and more
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 2: guns on this guy.
• 1:43:37
  Speaker 4: Yeah, free to do it, but I can understand how
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 4: that would be a very jarring and upsetting experience for someone.
• 1:43:44
  Speaker 4: Here's where she totally one hundred pers Oh my god.
• 1:43:47
  Speaker 2: It's starring enough shouting that she got her gun taken
• 1:43:50
  Speaker 2: away from her before she got to use it.
• 1:43:56
  Speaker 4: Men being mean to her on a podcast feels like
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 4: the same thing as rape. That's sexual assault. Seriously, that's
• 1:44:05
  Speaker 4: what she said, listen to this.
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 3: That's exactly what's going on. This podcast fell like made
• 1:44:10
  Speaker 3: me feel violated in so many ways disrespect.
• 1:44:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and essentially what's happening now is, like I said,
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 2: she's trying to frame them as criminal.
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 1: She's pulling out the bazooka. She's pulling out like the
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 1: orbital satellite laser that is natual assault allegations. Yes, it's not.
• 1:44:29
  Speaker 2: Good enough that she threatened Andrew Wilson. Now she's threatening
• 1:44:32
  Speaker 2: the entire podcast. And this is so funny because she's
• 1:44:36
  Speaker 2: like the gun slinger walked in, got disarmed, and then
• 1:44:39
  Speaker 2: he's like, I'm gonna go get my poset and we're
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 2: gonna kill that town. And then everybody's like, oh my god,
• 1:44:47
  Speaker 2: she's so hurt.
• 1:44:49
  Speaker 1: No, she's a fun he's a death ball, like she's
• 1:44:53
  Speaker 1: holding it up and she's gonna throw it at the
• 1:44:57
  Speaker 1: Whatever Podcast and all of the Red Pill bro.
• 1:45:01
  Speaker 2: She's gonna try. But then everybody's here like, oh, she's so,
• 1:45:05
  Speaker 2: why are you treating this creature like a precious flower?
• 1:45:09
  Speaker 2: Like you're always she went into a hostile situation. She
• 1:45:12
  Speaker 2: was the hostile situation, and she's expanding the grounds of
• 1:45:16
  Speaker 2: hostility like a frickin psycho like she's she's she's we're
• 1:45:23
  Speaker 2: into cold war territory, guys, it's time for this time
• 1:45:26
  Speaker 2: for nuclear arms escalation. Good lord. And everybody's like, oh
• 1:45:33
  Speaker 2: my god. So she's so, she's so harmed. Really, she's
• 1:45:40
  Speaker 2: harmed by this. I don't see any harm for her.
• 1:45:44
  Speaker 2: I see a lot of harm that she's attempting to
• 1:45:46
  Speaker 2: direct at Andrew Wilson in the Whatever Podcast. And who knows,
• 1:45:50
  Speaker 2: maybe she'll be successful, Maybe she'll be successful in her
• 1:45:55
  Speaker 2: campaign of destructions.
• 1:45:58
  Speaker 1: Not over yet, it's.
• 1:46:00
  Speaker 2: Not over yet.
• 1:46:01
  Speaker 5: Disrespected and used in addition to them having.
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 2: To fly, yes, yes, exactly, Oh my god, Desperado lost
• 1:46:09
  Speaker 2: her gun to somebody who disarmed her. She's so disrespected.
• 1:46:13
  Speaker 2: How dare how dare when she came in with the gun?
• 1:46:17
  Speaker 2: How dare they fight back?
• 1:46:20
  Speaker 1: Notice that she crammed in. Also that she was used,
• 1:46:24
  Speaker 1: like this is like that she got used, Guys, she
• 1:46:27
  Speaker 1: was She volunteered and agreed to fly out there to
• 1:46:31
  Speaker 1: debate this guy. There was even money on the table
• 1:46:34
  Speaker 1: for her to do it. She crashed out and left early,
• 1:46:39
  Speaker 1: did not get compensated because she didn't do the thing
• 1:46:41
  Speaker 1: that she was supposed to do, which is essentially stay
• 1:46:43
  Speaker 1: there for the full conversation. And how she feels used
• 1:46:47
  Speaker 1: like discarded, like this is all part of the whole
• 1:46:51
  Speaker 1: rape narrative around this. They raped me and they threw
• 1:46:54
  Speaker 1: me aside, Like I don't I mean, does this Maybe
• 1:46:57
  Speaker 1: she's into that. I don't know. Maybe maybe there's a
• 1:47:00
  Speaker 1: little bit of a fantasy going on here too, But
• 1:47:02
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 1:47:03
  Speaker 2: It's possible there could be a kink playing out, but
• 1:47:08
  Speaker 2: I think more likely what we're seeing is the process
• 1:47:12
  Speaker 2: of attempted nuclear annihilation. She's gathering her arsenal and she's
• 1:47:19
  Speaker 2: going to go after the Whatever podcast and Andrew Wilson
• 1:47:23
  Speaker 2: and everybody's and as she does this, everybody's not going
• 1:47:27
  Speaker 2: to notice that she is the aggressor. She is the
• 1:47:29
  Speaker 2: hostile situation. She is the monster in the room. She
• 1:47:33
  Speaker 2: is Genghis Khan, she is Adolf Hitler, she is everything.
• 1:47:39
  Speaker 2: She is. She is the will to power and the
• 1:47:43
  Speaker 2: will to make others suffer in order to gain and
• 1:47:47
  Speaker 2: keep your power. And nobody recognizes it cause she a goal.
• 1:47:54
  Speaker 5: Yep, all right, which they didn't.
• 1:47:57
  Speaker 3: I made them so much money that they asked me
• 1:47:59
  Speaker 3: to come back three times within twenty four hours, and
• 1:48:01
  Speaker 3: when I told them to pay me back, they sent
• 1:48:04
  Speaker 3: me a threatening, abusive email. Felt not like a human being.
• 1:48:10
  Speaker 3: I was harassed on the basis of being a woman,
• 1:48:13
  Speaker 3: told that I was stupid.
• 1:48:14
  Speaker 2: Okay, so you are basically turning men into criminals. But
• 1:48:19
  Speaker 2: you're the one who doesn't feel like a human being. Okay.
• 1:48:23
  Speaker 2: So why wouldn't she show the actual content of the letter?
• 1:48:27
  Speaker 2: And maybe there was like a lawyer's thing.
• 1:48:29
  Speaker 1: No, she's showing she's shown that. She's not showing the letter.
• 1:48:31
  Speaker 1: She's showing like the uh oh, she's showing her academic
• 1:48:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, her claims the victimhood.
• 1:48:38
  Speaker 2: It's the back her claim the victimhood.
• 1:48:41
  Speaker 1: M h. Yep. This kind of abuse involved is depression,
• 1:48:48
  Speaker 1: disruptions and close relationship, loss of interest in sex, and
• 1:48:51
  Speaker 1: feared anxiety, causing physical, mental, and behavioral reactions, all of
• 1:48:55
  Speaker 1: which may lead the assault survivor to feel as though
• 1:48:58
  Speaker 1: he or she has no control over her life. Some
• 1:49:00
  Speaker 1: information obtained from the Medical University of South Carolina. So
• 1:49:03
  Speaker 1: she's basically saying, I'm experiencing these feelings, and these feelings
• 1:49:07
  Speaker 1: are also associated with people who have experienced sexual assault. Therefore,
• 1:49:10
  Speaker 1: I've experienced sexual assaults. It's inverted logic. Do you see
• 1:49:16
  Speaker 1: that she's saying, I feel this way, and then she
• 1:49:19
  Speaker 1: looks and sees, oh, people who feel sexual assault feel
• 1:49:22
  Speaker 1: this way, Well, then I must have felt sexual assault.
• 1:49:27
  Speaker 2: Talked over, you, asserted something incorrect, He corrected you, and
• 1:49:32
  Speaker 2: that was talking over.
• 1:49:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah for talk down too, And I was made to
• 1:49:41
  Speaker 3: cry two, three, four times.
• 1:49:43
  Speaker 5: I went open to the back and just sobbed.
• 1:49:45
  Speaker 3: I really tried to stay to the end because I
• 1:49:47
  Speaker 3: wanted to be reimbursed for all the expenses, but I couldn't.
• 1:49:51
  Speaker 5: I've done debate for nine years, so I know things.
• 1:49:53
  Speaker 5: Kik kyah he did. That wasn't debate, that that.
• 1:49:56
  Speaker 2: Was what I felt like.
• 1:49:58
  Speaker 5: I was sexually assaulted after that?
• 1:50:01
  Speaker 2: Are you even the normies aren't with you at this point, lady,
• 1:50:06
  Speaker 2: I think you may have overplayed your hand again. Like
• 1:50:15
  Speaker 2: in my ideal world, as soon as a woman brought
• 1:50:18
  Speaker 2: up the whole allegations of criminality and dehumanization, I'd be like, yeah, no,
• 1:50:24
  Speaker 2: you don't get to do that. You don't get to
• 1:50:25
  Speaker 2: pull a gun into in like a freaking I don't
• 1:50:28
  Speaker 2: know monk debate and say I win. But this is astounding,
• 1:50:35
  Speaker 2: Like you've even lost the normies lady. That's that's that's
• 1:50:39
  Speaker 2: that's impressive and wow, Okay, you know we we we
• 1:50:48
  Speaker 2: can't recognize male victims of sexual assault by women, but
• 1:50:52
  Speaker 2: we can recognize that being told that you don't have
• 1:50:54
  Speaker 2: a Twitter and mute or a TikTok mute button and
• 1:50:57
  Speaker 2: sexual assault for women like we can't. We can't recognize
• 1:51:03
  Speaker 2: like twelve year old boys being graped by their teachers,
• 1:51:06
  Speaker 2: but we can recognize this as sexual assault. That's astounding. Okay,
• 1:51:12
  Speaker 2: all right.
• 1:51:12
  Speaker 1: Let's keep going.
• 1:51:14
  Speaker 3: I've been assaulted twice and I woke up feeling that
• 1:51:17
  Speaker 3: same sense of sadness and violation and emptiness.
• 1:51:24
  Speaker 4: Yeah, so this is breathtaking in its insanity I'll of
• 1:51:29
  Speaker 4: course say that I have tremendous sympathy and compassion for her.
• 1:51:33
  Speaker 4: That she was assaulted twice.
• 1:51:36
  Speaker 1: That's I kind of pause there for a second, considering
• 1:51:39
  Speaker 1: her standards for being assaulted or so low. I'm pressing
• 1:51:42
  Speaker 1: exit out on her previous experiences too, just saying, if
• 1:51:46
  Speaker 1: you're willing to say that somebody disagreeing with you on
• 1:51:48
  Speaker 1: a podcast means you were sexually assaulted, and then the
• 1:51:51
  Speaker 1: back that claim you say you've been sexually assaulted multiple
• 1:51:53
  Speaker 1: times before, I have to question what the standards were
• 1:51:56
  Speaker 1: for those experiences as well. So no sympathy, I don't
• 1:52:00
  Speaker 1: leave you. I mean, you lie, you lie about this. No,
• 1:52:04
  Speaker 1: I don't believe her.
• 1:52:06
  Speaker 2: No, you can believe her. But maybe the previous sexual
• 1:52:09
  Speaker 2: assaults was some dude being like a who knows, just yeah.
• 1:52:14
  Speaker 1: Well I don't believe like he could be a guy
• 1:52:16
  Speaker 1: just saying, you know, like a like a fucking dude
• 1:52:19
  Speaker 1: to the construction site that whistled at her or something.
• 1:52:22
  Speaker 1: Could be a dude that like, you know, got in
• 1:52:24
  Speaker 1: like she was in line and he got in line
• 1:52:27
  Speaker 1: behind her, and somebody behind him bumped and he bumped
• 1:52:30
  Speaker 1: into her body because they were bumped and he apologized
• 1:52:33
  Speaker 1: for it, but she's still like, oh my god, I'm assaulted.
• 1:52:35
  Speaker 1: It could have been a homeless guy that's ranting in
• 1:52:38
  Speaker 1: her general direction. God knows what. It could have been
• 1:52:40
  Speaker 1: a woman, you know, like who knows, but like, because
• 1:52:44
  Speaker 1: you because you cannot logically, like determine the difference between
• 1:52:50
  Speaker 1: somebody disagreeing with you on a podcast and sexual sexual
• 1:52:54
  Speaker 1: assault than any claims of sexual assault that you make
• 1:52:58
  Speaker 1: after that don't mean anything to me, Like that doesn't
• 1:53:02
  Speaker 1: mean anything to me. It could have been a commercial
• 1:53:04
  Speaker 1: that you didn't like. You could have been washing a
• 1:53:06
  Speaker 1: commercial that was too sexual. I'm sorry, but no, no, I'm.
• 1:53:10
  Speaker 2: Not buying somebody shirt your shirt.
• 1:53:13
  Speaker 1: Somebody wore a shirt that said pussy inspector like like it, No,
• 1:53:20
  Speaker 1: not buying it. Done, stop it, stop it, stop it,
• 1:53:24
  Speaker 1: like when you have to start by saying, first of all,
• 1:53:26
  Speaker 1: I just feel all kinds of heart pours out for
• 1:53:29
  Speaker 1: your experience. I don't buy it. Don't do it. That's
• 1:53:33
  Speaker 1: how you lose.
• 1:53:38
  Speaker 2: It's not it's not relevant to this here. And the
• 1:53:41
  Speaker 2: other thing is that, how does this justify you pulling
• 1:53:43
  Speaker 2: a gun on Andrew Wilson.
• 1:53:47
  Speaker 4: Yep, Okay, all right, anyway, horrible, No, we should have
• 1:53:51
  Speaker 4: to go through it far too many women and some men,
• 1:53:53
  Speaker 4: but particularly women, do No.
• 1:53:56
  Speaker 2: Not, there is no way you can actually hurt that, Brad.
• 1:54:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, very blue pill. Take Well wait, wait, we talk
• 1:54:05
  Speaker 1: about sexual assault. Okay, first of all, women, what are
• 1:54:09
  Speaker 1: the biggest victims? First of before we even move on
• 1:54:11
  Speaker 1: the guys. Are you listening? Women are the biggest victims
• 1:54:15
  Speaker 1: of that, and some men but mostly women. Okay, all right,
• 1:54:19
  Speaker 1: and do I still have my job? Am I alive? Cops?
• 1:54:21
  Speaker 1: Are they at the door? No? Okay, Now I will
• 1:54:24
  Speaker 1: move on. Now that I've established and I'm a decent
• 1:54:27
  Speaker 1: guy by saying women are the primary victims, now I
• 1:54:29
  Speaker 1: can get to the actual thing I want to talk about.
• 1:54:32
  Speaker 2: It's so funny because people like this will admit that
• 1:54:34
  Speaker 2: men don't report sexual assault, but and the same breath say,
• 1:54:38
  Speaker 2: but we know exactly how many men are? You guys
• 1:54:42
  Speaker 2: are full of ridiculous contradictions that you really need to
• 1:54:46
  Speaker 2: sit down and think about. And I know why you're
• 1:54:48
  Speaker 2: full of ridiculous contradictions which you never think about, because
• 1:54:52
  Speaker 2: this dude sees himself in terms of benefiting women and
• 1:54:57
  Speaker 2: women's emotions. Just like most men do.
• 1:55:02
  Speaker 4: Okay, let's keep going absurd and actually deeply insulting to
• 1:55:08
  Speaker 4: your fellow survivors of abuse. To compare being talked over
• 1:55:13
  Speaker 4: or told you're stupid, or having people be unkind to
• 1:55:17
  Speaker 4: you in a debate, actually assaulted. That is totally inaccurate,
• 1:55:23
  Speaker 4: totally disingenuous and unfair, wild and basic.
• 1:55:28
  Speaker 2: Okay, do you have another time, cod because I think
• 1:55:30
  Speaker 2: he's just gonna in the end.
• 1:55:32
  Speaker 1: Like that's that's the end. Yeah, this is the last
• 1:55:36
  Speaker 1: bit of this. Well he talks about something else. Okay,
• 1:55:40
  Speaker 1: until like one more minute. I think, like one more
• 1:55:42
  Speaker 1: minute's good.
• 1:55:43
  Speaker 2: It's good. Like I said, it's good to get a
• 1:55:45
  Speaker 2: pulse on the normies, you know, figure out where they are. Yeah, yeah,
• 1:55:51
  Speaker 2: this is gonna get worse, guys, because she's going to
• 1:55:55
  Speaker 2: make it so that this sticks. The demosphere is now
• 1:56:00
  Speaker 2: turning around and looking at this. You realize that in
• 1:56:04
  Speaker 2: your little yurts, your little yurt on the side of
• 1:56:07
  Speaker 2: Mount Everest, that's the manosphere. The femosphere is starting to
• 1:56:11
  Speaker 2: get into a position with its death laser.
• 1:56:15
  Speaker 1: It's like they are gonna be the super super child
• 1:56:21
  Speaker 1: stuck in the tubes.
• 1:56:23
  Speaker 2: Okay, let me let me jostle the tubes.
• 1:56:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, go clear it out so we can look at it.
• 1:56:29
  Speaker 1: That's like one more minute. I'll let him say his
• 1:56:31
  Speaker 1: final piece.
• 1:56:33
  Speaker 2: Okay, sure.
• 1:56:33
  Speaker 4: Accusation to lobb at someone and also really invalidating and
• 1:56:38
  Speaker 4: downplaying to the actual survivors of essay and what they
• 1:56:41
  Speaker 4: go through like that is horrible to say that.
• 1:56:44
  Speaker 1: I mean, you already said rape in the podcast. Why
• 1:56:46
  Speaker 1: say essay after that.
• 1:56:47
  Speaker 4: Normal unpleasant social interactions are the same thing as what
• 1:56:52
  Speaker 4: they went through. No, they are not, And you, of
• 1:56:54
  Speaker 4: all people, as a feminist and as a survivor, should
• 1:56:58
  Speaker 4: know better than that. That is laughable. It is frankly
• 1:57:01
  Speaker 4: despicable rhetoric to use, totally disingenuous, trying to shut down
• 1:57:06
  Speaker 4: debate and gardner sympathy for yourself on the backs of
• 1:57:09
  Speaker 4: your fellow survivors while diminishing what they went through to
• 1:57:12
  Speaker 4: score political points after crumbling really in a kind of
• 1:57:17
  Speaker 4: pathetic manner in a debate with she loves to talk
• 1:57:20
  Speaker 4: about her Ivy League degrees and her TikTok videos and
• 1:57:23
  Speaker 4: her all her years of debate. I have never been
• 1:57:25
  Speaker 4: less impressed with somebody's ability to debate in my life and.
• 1:57:30
  Speaker 1: Okay, that's it. Yeah, yeah, basically a super normy take
• 1:57:39
  Speaker 1: on this was fine. You know, it's fine. He puts
• 1:57:43
  Speaker 1: feminists in quotes like she's not a real one, but yeah,
• 1:57:46
  Speaker 1: she basically is. That's what it is. That's what it is. Guy,
• 1:57:50
  Speaker 1: it's not. That's not some like aspirational form of feminism
• 1:57:54
  Speaker 1: that you're not seeing play out. That's what it is.
• 1:57:58
  Speaker 1: So this is the real deal.
• 1:58:03
  Speaker 2: There's a there's somebody in the Special Chat and they're saying, oh,
• 1:58:08
  Speaker 2: Lord Trump, saved from the liberal, protect us from the
• 1:58:10
  Speaker 2: woke blind virus, deliver us from the gay from this
• 1:58:13
  Speaker 2: darkest of night, Bring us the brightest of the day
• 1:58:15
  Speaker 2: to Lord Trump, you pray.
• 1:58:17
  Speaker 1: Uh.
• 1:58:17
  Speaker 2: Then Simone says they got real people thinking anyone can
• 1:58:20
  Speaker 2: have a podcast. This is sad. Please stop and welcome
• 1:58:24
  Speaker 2: Trump into your heart. Well that was strange. Okay, yes, bait.
• 1:58:34
  Speaker 2: Can I not welcome Trump into my heart?
• 1:58:37
  Speaker 1: It's just bait, Allison, don't take the bait.
• 1:58:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but I mean, can I be like, can I
• 1:58:44
  Speaker 2: just be like I think he's I think he's okay
• 1:58:46
  Speaker 2: on some things and not okay on others, and just
• 1:58:50
  Speaker 2: just be like Yeah, Politician Brian likes Trump, I think,
• 1:59:01
  Speaker 2: but you know, we have different opinions. Basically, Simon, all right,
• 1:59:06
  Speaker 2: let's move on.
• 1:59:07
  Speaker 1: All right, I got a super chow from your beer
• 1:59:10
  Speaker 1: for five, and he says, I remember seeing a short
• 1:59:12
  Speaker 1: clip where a younger feminist was declaring that women aren't
• 1:59:16
  Speaker 1: weren't allowed to have bank accounts until the nineteen eighties.
• 1:59:19
  Speaker 1: Now in the future, the declaration will be that women
• 1:59:22
  Speaker 1: weren't allowed bank accounts and credit cards until the nineteen nineties. Yeah.
• 1:59:26
  Speaker 1: It's a constantly shifting section of time, so it's always
• 1:59:32
  Speaker 1: like twenty years ago, no matter what year it is.
• 1:59:37
  Speaker 1: So yeah, at this point's actually two thousands when women
• 1:59:41
  Speaker 1: lost the Yeah, when they finally gained the right to
• 1:59:43
  Speaker 1: have credit cards.
• 1:59:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, or no, they have to shift it. So now
• 1:59:47
  Speaker 2: they've shifted it in like the seventies. I'm pretty sure
• 1:59:52
  Speaker 2: women had bank accounts in the nineteen twenties. I think. No,
• 1:59:59
  Speaker 2: I'm very sure that women have bank accounts in the
• 2:00:01
  Speaker 2: nineteen twenties. I'm not so sure that bank accounts really
• 2:00:04
  Speaker 2: worked the way you think they did. To be honest,
• 2:00:11
  Speaker 2: I think for the most uh, for a good portion
• 2:00:13
  Speaker 2: of like the eighteenth and well, the nineteenth and twentieth centuries.
• 2:00:19
  Speaker 2: It was really being able to take out credit at stores,
• 2:00:24
  Speaker 2: not bank accounts. That was the big thing. Bank accounts
• 2:00:29
  Speaker 2: was more for like really rich people with lots of property.
• 2:00:33
  Speaker 2: All right, so is that is that is he has
• 2:00:36
  Speaker 2: he elaborated upon his.
• 2:00:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's it.
• 2:00:42
  Speaker 2: Yep, okay, yeah, a little bit of.
• 2:00:47
  Speaker 1: A soft landing, I guess. But yeah, we got rants out.
• 2:00:52
  Speaker 1: I mean yeah again, like he doesn't he he has
• 2:00:55
  Speaker 1: like a very blue pill perspective on feminism, so he's like, wow,
• 2:01:01
  Speaker 1: this one's hypocritical. She must not be a feminist.
• 2:01:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, somebody said in the horizontal, Now he's making some sense.
• 2:01:08
  Speaker 2: You would have started with that. Yeah, well, we had
• 2:01:11
  Speaker 2: to lay out the pillows for women's feels. I sort
• 2:01:16
  Speaker 2: of fucking got I'm gonna burn those pillows one day.
• 2:01:19
  Speaker 2: Just why do we have to Why does the human
• 2:01:23
  Speaker 2: race have to go at the speed of women's feelings?
• 2:01:29
  Speaker 1: Mm hm?
• 2:01:33
  Speaker 2: Why is that the limiting factor? But anyway, that's basically that.
• 2:01:39
  Speaker 2: I mean, he's just going at the speed of women's feelings.
• 2:01:41
  Speaker 2: He has to lay out all of the caveats before
• 2:01:44
  Speaker 2: he gets to the actual criticism of this specific woman,
• 2:01:48
  Speaker 2: which will be treated as a criticism of all women. Yep,
• 2:01:54
  Speaker 2: do you know that I tweeted out the un Did
• 2:01:57
  Speaker 2: I tell you about this?
• 2:01:59
  Speaker 1: M No? Okay, whatever are you going to say? I
• 2:02:03
  Speaker 1: don't know how long ago was it?
• 2:02:05
  Speaker 2: What is it yesterday? I did a tweet. Let me
• 2:02:10
  Speaker 2: just get that tweet up. Looks like I have to
• 2:02:13
  Speaker 2: sign in or something. Uh, just give me a second here.
• 2:02:18
  Speaker 2: I think I put it in ask Allison. Maybe No,
• 2:02:24
  Speaker 2: it would probably be in the main chat. I will
• 2:02:27
  Speaker 2: find this tweet and I will hand it to you
• 2:02:28
  Speaker 2: so you can take a look at it. It's pretty crazy, Okay.
• 2:02:34
  Speaker 2: It was to un women.
• 2:02:40
  Speaker 1: Waiting for it.
• 2:02:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I just took a moment. I had to find it,
• 2:02:46
  Speaker 2: and I think it actually got some legs on it. Crazy.
• 2:02:52
  Speaker 2: Do you have it up?
• 2:02:53
  Speaker 1: Any job? Yeah, it's sharing it now. Any job as
• 2:02:56
  Speaker 1: a woman's job, Any job as a woman's job from
• 2:03:00
  Speaker 1: you and women? Yeah? Yeah, taking accountability that's a man's job. Yeah.
• 2:03:07
  Speaker 2: Oh boy?
• 2:03:08
  Speaker 1: Did that? Did they?
• 2:03:11
  Speaker 4: Yeah?
• 2:03:12
  Speaker 1: Did you be you? Did you? I am so smart?
• 2:03:16
  Speaker 1: I called you a pick me ye?
• 2:03:19
  Speaker 4: Okay, okay, look at the look at this.
• 2:03:22
  Speaker 2: Okay, I want you to see. This has got sixty
• 2:03:25
  Speaker 2: six number of the beast likes. Look at what you
• 2:03:29
  Speaker 2: and Women's got if you if you click on it.
• 2:03:31
  Speaker 1: Sixty six thousand isn't the number of the beast? Uh?
• 2:03:36
  Speaker 1: Four thousand ratio?
• 2:03:39
  Speaker 2: Raco. Yeah, I'm like, I'm looking at mine, go up
• 2:03:43
  Speaker 2: and up and up, and I'm like, have I done
• 2:03:45
  Speaker 2: a Have I done a hate crime?
• 2:03:49
  Speaker 1: By race?
• 2:03:50
  Speaker 2: You? You and Women with its four million fucking like
• 2:03:54
  Speaker 2: two million subscribers. Oh yeah, this is had mistress. Man
• 2:03:59
  Speaker 2: account ability is this mystery? And what I responded to
• 2:04:02
  Speaker 2: this because they always go with men don't take accountability,
• 2:04:06
  Speaker 2: And the way I responded to that was men take accountability.
• 2:04:13
  Speaker 2: They expect men to take accountability for all human ills
• 2:04:17
  Speaker 2: because they those human ills continue to exist, right, That's
• 2:04:22
  Speaker 2: what men need to take accountability for. Even though men
• 2:04:25
  Speaker 2: are the prime, primarily the ones who are fighting those
• 2:04:27
  Speaker 2: human ills, and women are probably half as responsible for them,
• 2:04:33
  Speaker 2: but it's men who need to take responsibility for that.
• 2:04:38
  Speaker 2: And that's what they mean when men are shirking accountability,
• 2:04:41
  Speaker 2: it's because men aren't taking responsibility for human evil, the
• 2:04:46
  Speaker 2: existence of human evil and the fact that they haven't
• 2:04:50
  Speaker 2: stopped it.
• 2:04:53
  Speaker 1: They get really upset by this. They really don't like this.
• 2:04:58
  Speaker 1: But they don't have anything against it's just cope in there.
• 2:05:04
  Speaker 2: I also pointed out that this like the people who
• 2:05:06
  Speaker 2: are getting upset believe a philosophy in which men are
• 2:05:12
  Speaker 2: the ones who are primarily, if not solely, responsible for
• 2:05:16
  Speaker 2: all of society and everybody's actions in it because of patriarchy.
• 2:05:22
  Speaker 2: So women always have a get out of jail free
• 2:05:24
  Speaker 2: card when it comes to any kind of social criticism,
• 2:05:27
  Speaker 2: a get out of jail free card for any kind
• 2:05:30
  Speaker 2: of personal action that they take because it's patriarchy acting
• 2:05:33
  Speaker 2: through them or some shit. It's like, and these people
• 2:05:37
  Speaker 2: are telling me, oh, well, men don't take accountability. Yeah,
• 2:05:40
  Speaker 2: because you're expecting men to take accountability for literally fucking everything,
• 2:05:46
  Speaker 2: including women's half of all shitty behavior. Yeah. So I
• 2:05:51
  Speaker 2: thought that was fun because it really like it got legs.
• 2:05:55
  Speaker 2: I don't know if it's could get much higher, but
• 2:05:58
  Speaker 2: especially compared to the original mm hmm. Really hit a
• 2:06:02
  Speaker 2: nerve this one, anyone. There you go, I'm doing my job,
• 2:06:06
  Speaker 2: all right, there you go, Okay.
• 2:06:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we're done. What's going on?
• 2:06:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah? I guess so, unless you have anything further.
• 2:06:19
  Speaker 1: To say, no, I think we covered it. I mean,
• 2:06:23
  Speaker 1: you know, this is like I'm just glad that this
• 2:06:27
  Speaker 1: conversation is going where it's going. I'm glad that it's
• 2:06:31
  Speaker 1: getting out there and more people are basically not able
• 2:06:33
  Speaker 1: to ignore it anymore. You know what, I think the
• 2:06:36
  Speaker 1: discussion about men is inevitable, too inevitable.
• 2:06:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what else? I was actually thinking after
• 2:06:45
  Speaker 2: the conversation we had with all those comedies, all of
• 2:06:48
  Speaker 2: Shoe's commies. Oh, I don't know what we were. We
• 2:06:55
  Speaker 2: did the video on Shoe and then all the comedies came.
• 2:06:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they just spawned conversation.
• 2:07:00
  Speaker 2: They just spawned in and so we were chatting with them,
• 2:07:02
  Speaker 2: and I was actually chatting. We were going back and forth,
• 2:07:05
  Speaker 2: and then it occurred to me that they might actually
• 2:07:07
  Speaker 2: have a point. They never make this point, but they
• 2:07:10
  Speaker 2: actually might have a point. And this is the point.
• 2:07:13
  Speaker 2: And I'll throw it out there because you know, I'll
• 2:07:16
  Speaker 2: it'll maybe make people think their their point and this actually,
• 2:07:22
  Speaker 2: you know, this is my point. Speaking is a commie,
• 2:07:26
  Speaker 2: you know, LARPing is a COMI for a moment. Now,
• 2:07:30
  Speaker 2: what we've seen throughout history is that we have this
• 2:07:34
  Speaker 2: kind of this productive kind of breeding colony situation where
• 2:07:41
  Speaker 2: people want to exchange goods and be able to avail
• 2:07:46
  Speaker 2: themselves of their native's productivity without like a direct one
• 2:07:49
  Speaker 2: to one exchange. So it's like something to keep track
• 2:07:52
  Speaker 2: of what everybody owes so that we can just move
• 2:07:55
  Speaker 2: products around really efficiently. Right, But what ends up happening
• 2:07:59
  Speaker 2: is there's always a group of people, the money lenders,
• 2:08:02
  Speaker 2: that parasitize on the system because it requires some way
• 2:08:06
  Speaker 2: of keeping track of these transactions. Either it's like a
• 2:08:10
  Speaker 2: central bureaucracy or like consumer or those old bronze age
• 2:08:15
  Speaker 2: you know places, or it's some kind of money that's
• 2:08:19
  Speaker 2: starting to change hands. But either the central bureaucracy takes
• 2:08:26
  Speaker 2: its cut or the people who make the money end
• 2:08:29
  Speaker 2: up getting in there and starting to parasitize off of
• 2:08:32
  Speaker 2: these exchange So they provide an essential service, which is
• 2:08:35
  Speaker 2: being able to keep track of all of these exchanges,
• 2:08:38
  Speaker 2: but they end up taking more and more and more
• 2:08:41
  Speaker 2: of the lifeblood out of the economy that requires something
• 2:08:46
  Speaker 2: to exchange in. Right, And I was thinking, you know, if,
• 2:08:50
  Speaker 2: and this is the big if, Right, if people could
• 2:08:53
  Speaker 2: just as they say, give according to their abilities to
• 2:09:00
  Speaker 2: according to their needs, then we wouldn't need a monetary
• 2:09:04
  Speaker 2: exchange that inevitably seems to be parasitized by some class
• 2:09:09
  Speaker 2: of people that controls it, like right now, that's the
• 2:09:11
  Speaker 2: Federal's Reserve, the government, the two big to fail corporations
• 2:09:15
  Speaker 2: and all of that. And I mean that if you
• 2:09:20
  Speaker 2: present it that way, you know, if we could just
• 2:09:22
  Speaker 2: solve that problem, we would never be parasitized by the
• 2:09:25
  Speaker 2: money lenders. Ever again, if you put it that way,
• 2:09:28
  Speaker 2: it's a nice thought, you know, it is something that
• 2:09:31
  Speaker 2: would be cool to aim for. However, the problem with
• 2:09:35
  Speaker 2: it is this, it still comes back to the same
• 2:09:38
  Speaker 2: thing that I was bringing up before. The existence of
• 2:09:42
  Speaker 2: this monetary exchange works because it piggybacks off of men's
• 2:09:47
  Speaker 2: desire for developing a pro social identity and specific it's
• 2:09:53
  Speaker 2: the one that anthropologists or ethnologists have identified all around
• 2:09:56
  Speaker 2: the world, which is this idea of the generous men
• 2:09:59
  Speaker 2: who's a to give big ley of himself. That's what
• 2:10:02
  Speaker 2: men are doing by participating in the system and acquiring
• 2:10:05
  Speaker 2: more wealth within the system. If you just make it
• 2:10:09
  Speaker 2: so it's all through generosity, that could work if it's
• 2:10:16
  Speaker 2: if it's within a kin group, But I don't think
• 2:10:18
  Speaker 2: it works outside of that, So we're still back to
• 2:10:21
  Speaker 2: the same problem. However, I sympathize with that because it
• 2:10:26
  Speaker 2: would it would get rid of the money lenders forever.
• 2:10:30
  Speaker 2: And yeah, so I was thinking that that might be
• 2:10:34
  Speaker 2: a way of looking at it, but it still has
• 2:10:38
  Speaker 2: the same problem. Anyway, those were my thoughts. I'm done
• 2:10:45
  Speaker 2: something to chew on, all right, So if you want
• 2:10:48
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• 2:10:51
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• 2:11:01
  Speaker 2: out to thank you to Richard. He actually added two
• 2:11:04
  Speaker 2: tips for five hundred dollars each. Yes, thank you, which
• 2:11:10
  Speaker 2: it's actually I sort of arranged with him. I'm gonna
• 2:11:13
  Speaker 2: get I'm going to get a dog cart for Skipio,
• 2:11:17
  Speaker 2: and Richard's convinced that it's not going to work. A
• 2:11:22
  Speaker 2: dog cart, yes, that he can pull. Richard's convinced it's
• 2:11:27
  Speaker 2: not going to work, and that it what it will
• 2:11:29
  Speaker 2: end up happening is that I will be pulling the dog,
• 2:11:32
  Speaker 2: not the dog pulling me. And so now I have
• 2:11:36
  Speaker 2: to prove him wrong. So that's that's what that's about.
• 2:11:39
  Speaker 2: But anyway, thank you Richard very much for that.
• 2:11:42
  Speaker 1: And cost.
• 2:11:47
  Speaker 2: They're not cheap because you have to I'm getting him
• 2:11:51
  Speaker 2: from a US company, So I don't want to get
• 2:11:55
  Speaker 2: a Chinese dog cart. I don't want to be eating ashphalt.
• 2:11:59
  Speaker 1: Awe a rick pall you win the street him and.
• 2:12:13
  Speaker 2: Dog Kurts. The one that I'm looking at is like
• 2:12:17
  Speaker 2: five hundred bucks American mm hmmm. So and so it's
• 2:12:22
  Speaker 2: it's sort of expensive. And that's about the cost that
• 2:12:27
  Speaker 2: it'll be for one. If you're thinking of getting one
• 2:12:32
  Speaker 2: for Jojo.
• 2:12:33
  Speaker 1: No, no, no, no.
• 2:12:35
  Speaker 2: You don't want to be going tooling down rowing oak.
• 2:12:38
  Speaker 1: With the dog, Kurt, No, no, no, Jo Jojo.
• 2:12:43
  Speaker 2: He might be a little bit, he might be a
• 2:12:46
  Speaker 2: little light for a dog, Kurt.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, he's like he's a smaller dog for sure. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I mean Skipio has got the muscle. Yeah, I mean theoretically,
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  Speaker 2: theoretically it should work. But anyway, so that's what I'll
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  Speaker 2: I mean I've been training him, you know, We've been
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  Speaker 2: doing like the rocky thing. We've been I've been taking
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  Speaker 2: him on a bike and having him run beside the bike.
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  Speaker 2: And then in front of the bike, so he gets
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  Speaker 2: used to something being behind him. And then and he's
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  Speaker 2: been he's he's been keeping up. He's he's uh, he's
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