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  Speaker 2: Erow. Hi, it's so nice to talk to you.
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  Speaker 1: What a thrill, Well, what a thrill it is to
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  Speaker 1: be with you, because you you cover so much inside
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  Speaker 1: this book, The Architect of Deception, that it's like I've
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  Speaker 1: got I've got probably three days of conversation here and
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  Speaker 1: we're we only get ten minutes. So it's like, oh
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  Speaker 1: my god, because I mean, you really do You're you're
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  Speaker 1: speaking a street that a lot of people want to
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  Speaker 1: connect with, and I want listeners to really understand that
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  Speaker 1: what you're doing here is My god. I mean, I
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  Speaker 1: don't even know how you had the courage to put
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  Speaker 1: things together.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I got to say, you know, it was it
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  Speaker 2: was a challenge, it was exciting, this concept of this
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  Speaker 2: modern day, who done it? This modern day? I get
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  Speaker 2: to Christie where you know, different plot threads all come
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  Speaker 2: together at the end for a big jackpot is. It's
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  Speaker 2: a dream of mine and I want to continue doing it.
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  Speaker 2: Architect of Deception is my ace book, but it's my
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  Speaker 2: first mystery thriller, and I had so much fun writing it,
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  Speaker 2: and I'm so happy that it translates to the reader
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  Speaker 2: that kind of you know, when you're making a fist
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  Speaker 2: and pulling it into your side, like yes, you know
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  Speaker 2: when the bad guy deft it in the end and
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  Speaker 2: the good guy prevails and you think, I'm going to
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  Speaker 2: go back and read it because I know I could
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  Speaker 2: have figured this out the beginning.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, what do you do in those situations?
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  Speaker 2: Though?
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  Speaker 1: When you do like a mystery like this, and it's
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  Speaker 1: like we live in this day and age where binge
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  Speaker 1: watching and binge reading is the big thing, and so
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  Speaker 1: they want you to kind of stretch it out into
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  Speaker 1: a series more than just a book. And the thing
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  Speaker 1: is that for my book Halloween seventy eight, they still
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  Speaker 1: don't know who done it because I said I wasn't
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  Speaker 1: going to finish the book until they responded to the
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  Speaker 1: first book, and it didn't nobody responded the way I
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  Speaker 1: wanted to, So that second book is still silent. How
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  Speaker 1: do you how do you deal with situations like that, Debbie?
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  Speaker 2: Well, I only know my vision for the story. Yes,
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  Speaker 2: it's it can be a great joy to hear a
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  Speaker 2: reader's impression that something slightly different. I've had readers say,
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  Speaker 2: for example, they really connected with a villain, and I'm
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  Speaker 2: I think myself really, But you know, reading is so subjective,
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  Speaker 2: and you know, I sometimes I'll read a review and
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  Speaker 2: disagree and that, you know, kind of a gentler version
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  Speaker 2: of things, you know, stamping my foot. But you have
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  Speaker 2: to give the readers the grace to enjoy the book
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  Speaker 2: on their own terms.
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  Speaker 1: For them to Yeah, it's like it's almost like I
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  Speaker 1: always want to try to include them in the process.
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  Speaker 1: I cannot be unless you, unless you are being with me.
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  Speaker 1: And it's like, you know, even in the world of
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  Speaker 1: radio where I can't see my listener, you just have
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  Speaker 1: to trust that your reader and your listener is there
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  Speaker 1: and and just hope to God that there is a connection,
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  Speaker 1: a marriage of sorts.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly, and with you know, all my books, that sort
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  Speaker 2: of sense of gratitude that without the reader, there is
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  Speaker 2: no writer, there is no me that you know. That's
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  Speaker 2: a great feeling to know that, you know, you owe
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  Speaker 2: the reader your career, this book. Having that, you know.
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  Speaker 2: I can remember going to see my actually was my
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  Speaker 2: kids went to see the movie Knives Out several years
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  Speaker 2: ago and they came home and they were like, Mom,
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  Speaker 2: this movie is incredible. You have to go see it.
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  Speaker 2: You've never seen anything like it. And so, of course
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  Speaker 2: I thought and very much enjoyed it. But I think
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  Speaker 2: to myself, these kids, they're really a good who done.
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  Speaker 2: It is a kind of a lost art.
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  Speaker 1: And see and see. And that's the thing about it.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's like you're busting down the doors
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  Speaker 1: of that lost art and saying no, no, no, it's not lost.
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  Speaker 1: I found it now, and now we got to get
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  Speaker 1: more people tapped into it, exactly.
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  Speaker 2: And I think to myself all the time as I'm writing,
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  Speaker 2: I grew up on you know, I think my friends
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  Speaker 2: were reading other books that I was reading Agatha Christie,
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  Speaker 2: and you know that idea of Agatha Christie in the
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  Speaker 2: twenty first century, you know, you read Poirot and Miss
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  Speaker 2: Marple and they're solving crimes with their intuition and very
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  Speaker 2: little else. There's no DNA, there's no cell phones, there's
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  Speaker 2: no you know, aphis to tract fingerprints, and so to
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  Speaker 2: take that it's harder to commit crimes now and it's
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  Speaker 2: easier to solve them. So it's a challenge for a
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  Speaker 2: mystery writer to create a scenario that requires real deduction
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  Speaker 2: to solve. And I think that that's one of the
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  Speaker 2: great joys of the Architect of the section is that
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  Speaker 2: all these interreading plot threads, all these clues and red
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  Speaker 2: herrings drop threads, you know, that ultimately intertwine and leads
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  Speaker 2: this big payoff at the end.
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  Speaker 1: Please don't move. There's more with Debbie Baldwin coming up
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  Speaker 1: next the name of her book, The Architect of Deception.
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  Speaker 1: We are back with author Debbie Baldwin. So, like, when
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  Speaker 1: you're building up this suspense, how do you keep it
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  Speaker 1: a big secret? Because I can't even keep a Christmas
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  Speaker 1: present a secret. And when I do that, because I
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  Speaker 1: want to share with everybody as to how I'm building
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  Speaker 1: the suspense, what I'm going to do, what the execution is,
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  Speaker 1: and it's almost like I'm giving the story a way
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  Speaker 1: to family and friends, and sometimes I think I'm breaking
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  Speaker 1: the rules on that that I need to hush up
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  Speaker 1: a little bit.
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  Speaker 2: It is a challenge. It's a challenge to know just
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  Speaker 2: how much, because really a lot of it is in
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  Speaker 2: the way you reveal things to the reader, because a
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  Speaker 2: reader will dismiss certain facts automatically and lock on to others.
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  Speaker 2: So when you're dropping hints about you know who done it,
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  Speaker 2: it's it's a kind of an art form, and I'm
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  Speaker 2: still mastering it, certainly, I'm learning every time I write
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  Speaker 2: a story. When you look at the greats, you know, P. D. James,
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  Speaker 2: Elizabeth George, Agatha Christie, and you say, oh, look at
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  Speaker 2: the way she gave that away plan as day, and
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  Speaker 2: I ignored it.
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  Speaker 1: You know, well, you you bring up these names and
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  Speaker 1: right away, of course, this is the artistic self and
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  Speaker 1: me going do you write with a writing instrument like
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  Speaker 1: Agatha Christie wants to? It was with a pen. It
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  Speaker 1: wasn't necessarily typing, Well how do you write? Because I
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  Speaker 1: mean that, I mean I'm one who has to write
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  Speaker 1: it out first with my fingers, and even though I
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  Speaker 1: cannot read my writing half the time, it's still part
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  Speaker 1: of that journey. What about you?
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  Speaker 2: You know, I write the stories, typically on a computer. However,
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  Speaker 2: I carry a notepath nice and I've heard your tales
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  Speaker 2: of those gorgeous antique fountain pens. My dream is to
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  Speaker 2: one day champing and dig one up.
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  Speaker 1: Oh my god, I just Oh my god, Debbie, I
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  Speaker 1: just planted a new fountain pen this morning here at
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  Speaker 1: this place where we're camping. And that's so interesting that
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  Speaker 1: you would bring that up because I just put it
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  Speaker 1: in the ground not even two hours ago, knowing that
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  Speaker 1: the last time that I was at this place it
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  Speaker 1: was two and a half years ago. Will I come
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  Speaker 1: back before the two and a half years or will
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  Speaker 1: it be longer? But my god, you just talked about
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  Speaker 1: something I just did.
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  Speaker 2: Oh my god. That is crazy. I love it.
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  Speaker 1: And the thing about it is, I mean, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: so many people think that I'm doing it for me. No,
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  Speaker 1: because there's another writer out there that's going to find
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  Speaker 1: this writing instrument and they're going to use it. That
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  Speaker 1: all I'm trying to do is get other people to
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  Speaker 1: share their story. And that's what you do as well.
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  Speaker 1: Something got you started, Debbie, and look at you go.
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  Speaker 2: Now, well, thank you? It is It is such a thrill.
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  Speaker 2: I you know these characters come to life. For me,
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  Speaker 2: it's really exciting to get, you know, to about the
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  Speaker 2: midway point in the story and just watch the characters
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  Speaker 2: kind of write it for me. Wow.
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  Speaker 1: And maybe that's my connection with you, is that you
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  Speaker 1: write in a language that is so every day original,
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  Speaker 1: especially when it comes to your humor, you know, because
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  Speaker 1: I'm with all these comedians who always talk about, well,
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  Speaker 1: you know, I have to craft my joke. I got
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  Speaker 1: to go into this club and that club and that,
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  Speaker 1: and I'm going, how does Debbie pull this off? Because
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  Speaker 1: I don't see your jumping from club to club to
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  Speaker 1: club to make sure that that scene plays out. How
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  Speaker 1: is it that you're able to make me laugh in
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  Speaker 1: ways that I hold on to longer than going to
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  Speaker 1: a comedy club.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I honestly, that is such a huge compliment, because
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  Speaker 2: you know, in these you know, thrillers where these they're
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  Speaker 2: these moments of just heart racing suspense. To have those
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  Speaker 2: moments where you just burst out laughing, then I feel
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  Speaker 2: like I've succeeded. You know that I can do a
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  Speaker 2: swing swing a situation like that, and you know, I
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  Speaker 2: don't know, I think I'm kind of a funny person
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  Speaker 2: by nature. I've written a lot of comedy in my life.
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  Speaker 2: I had a ten episode single camera comedy ten years
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  Speaker 2: ago on Audience Network and Tea's original programming channel, so
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  Speaker 2: I have some experience running comedy. But really more I
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  Speaker 2: think it's that sense of banter that just growing up
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  Speaker 2: around funny people, you know, jiving my brothers, having them
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  Speaker 2: tease me, my friends, and just saying, oh my gosh,
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  Speaker 2: that's a honey line I might have to use that.
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  Speaker 1: Is it okay to say I think that you are
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  Speaker 1: Ras James in the way of that You've got to
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  Speaker 1: make a choice in your life with the scepters and
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  Speaker 1: the scyths in that I mean, it's like would you
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  Speaker 1: do it? Would I do it? Who would do this?
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  Speaker 1: Who would take a chance to do this? And it's
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  Speaker 1: almost like you're presenting yourself in a way that says, hey, look,
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  Speaker 1: this is who we can be if we take a chance.
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  Speaker 1: I'm just gonna put it out there. And then as
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  Speaker 1: that writer, then you sit there and you wait for
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  Speaker 1: the people to jump on it and to start asking
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  Speaker 1: that question about you, the writer, did she did she not?
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  Speaker 1: And you become the suspense and the mystery.
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  Speaker 2: To me, what an insightful observation. I'm you know, I
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  Speaker 2: think that we all have, you know, come to those
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  Speaker 2: forks in the road in life. Yes, And you know,
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  Speaker 2: this character as James, is in a point in his
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  Speaker 2: life where he sort of has nothing to lose. He's
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  Speaker 2: in a very kind of low point despite all of
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  Speaker 2: his privilege. And you know that's sort of another examination
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  Speaker 2: in the book too, is this sense of you know what,
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  Speaker 2: how do you define privilege? And you know, while he
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  Speaker 2: gets sucked into this trap of a mystery, and you know,
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  Speaker 2: I think we all sort of think back to those
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  Speaker 2: kind of seminal moments in our lives where we made
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  Speaker 2: a decision that you know, forecast our future. Wow.
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  Speaker 1: You know you're proving to me with RAS though. Is
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  Speaker 1: it's that because it's not that I'm a jerk or
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  Speaker 1: anything like that, but when and I love snotty knows,
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  Speaker 1: rich people, kids, I love them all. But there have
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  Speaker 1: been many times in class that I'll go, your day
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  Speaker 1: is coming. Hold on tight, put on that seatbelt because
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  Speaker 1: all this beauty that you've got right now life will
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  Speaker 1: change in a heartbeat, and I just want you to
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  Speaker 1: be prepared. And that's what I love about RAS is
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  Speaker 1: that you're right that that you know, you you redefine
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  Speaker 1: what a black hole is because you know we all
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  Speaker 1: face black holes. It's not in space, it's in everyday life.
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  Speaker 1: And that in Architect of Deception tells us that, you
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  Speaker 1: know what, this book could happen. It could Why because
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  Speaker 1: I believe Debbie saw it before she reported it.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, And it's a you know, it's just this concept
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  Speaker 2: of you know, Raz thinking, oh, I'm gonna you know,
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  Speaker 2: pull It's everyone's idea that something that seems so simple
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  Speaker 2: on the outside is far more complicated once you get
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  Speaker 2: into it. And Raz thinks it's very simple. He's going
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  Speaker 2: to perform this initiation for a secret society, steal this
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  Speaker 2: little nothing trinket from a billionaire's penthouse, and then the
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  Speaker 2: next thing you know, there's a body, a body that
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  Speaker 2: you've been pulled into this murder as a prime suspect.
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  Speaker 2: And I think everyone can relate to thinking that something
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  Speaker 2: they're doing is going to be very simple and ends
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  Speaker 2: up not that not being the case at all.
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  Speaker 1: I know I've gotten overboard on this, and Terry, I
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  Speaker 1: so apologize. But here here's the thing the I got
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  Speaker 1: ask one more question. I promise you that we're going
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  Speaker 1: to talk in the future. Did you ever have to
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  Speaker 1: stop during the story just to take a breath, to breathe,
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  Speaker 1: to recatch the your pace of the heart. Because there's
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  Speaker 1: so much suspense in this book. I don't know how
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  Speaker 1: you didn't do it and take your blood pressure at
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  Speaker 1: the same time.
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  Speaker 2: There are definitely moments where I had to stand up
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  Speaker 2: and walk away because there are moments, and I don't
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  Speaker 2: know if this is true of all writers. I don't
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  Speaker 2: know if it's true of you Row as a writer,
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  Speaker 2: but I don't always know where a chapter's going, So
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  Speaker 2: I do feel the suspensive reader feels when I'm writing
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  Speaker 2: store when I'm writing a chapter sometimes, so yes, I
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  Speaker 2: do have to, you know, take the dog out for
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  Speaker 2: a walk and just kind of take a breath.
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  Speaker 1: Where can people go to find out more about you?
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  Speaker 1: I want them to tap into everything that you're doing,
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  Speaker 1: because you are it. You are that author.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, thank you, thank you so much. I have an
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  Speaker 2: Amazon page Debbie Baldwin. I'm on the social Facebook and
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  Speaker 2: Instagram as Debbie Baldwin Books. The books are available have
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  Speaker 2: an a seven book romantic suspense series called the Bishop
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  Speaker 2: Security Series, and then obviously the Architecture's Deception is the
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  Speaker 2: new release the mystery thriller Who Done It? Available on
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  Speaker 2: all online booksellers.
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  Speaker 1: I love it. Please come back to this show anytime
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  Speaker 1: in the future. We've got to continue this conversation, especially
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  Speaker 1: when it comes to the art of writing, and to
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  Speaker 1: get more people on board to really using whatever writing
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  Speaker 1: instrument they have.
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  Speaker 2: I love it, I'd be honest. Thank you so much.
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  Speaker 1: Erro, will you be brilliant today?
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  Speaker 2: Okay, I will try my best.