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- 0:00Speaker 1: School shootings. Yeah, it's a phrase that brings up a
- 0:03lot of emotions, doesn't it. It's tough to even think about,
- 0:06you know, the darkness that finds its way into the
- 0:08every day. And that's exactly what we're going to do today,
- 0:11dive deep into a tragedy that shook the nation back
- 0:14in two thousand and five, the Red Lake shootings. Ten
- 0:17lives lost, including the shooter red Lake Senior High School.
- 0:21At the time, it was the deadliest school shooting in
- 0:23US history. And we're here to do more than just
- 0:25recap what happened. We're going way beyond the headlines to
- 0:28try and understand why, what could possibly lead to something
- 0:32so awful. At the heart of it all is a
- 0:34sixteen year old Jeff Weiss, a student at the school. Right,
- 0:38So who was he? What was going on in his life?
- 0:40Speaker 2: Yeah?
- 0:41Speaker 1: Well, his story starts with a lot of trouble early on.
- 0:43His parents split before he was even born, and his
- 0:45childhood was really rough. Then, when he was only eight,
- 0:49his dad died by suicide. It was a standoff with
- 0:51the police.
- 0:52Speaker 2: Oh wow.
- 0:53Speaker 1: And as if that wasn't enough, his mom had this
- 0:55terrible accident, severe brain damage. Can you imagine eight years
- 0:59old losing your dad in such a traumatic way and
- 1:01then your mom is essentially gone from your life.
- 1:03Speaker 2: It really makes you think about how that would impact
- 1:06a young kid.
- 1:07Speaker 1: Well, we have to look at those early traumas, especially
- 1:10how his dad died. Studies show that children who lose
- 1:13a parent, especially in such a violent way like that,
- 1:15they're way more likely to have mental health struggles later
- 1:18on depression PTSD, even thoughts of suicide themselves.
- 1:22Speaker 2: And that's what we see happening with Weiss. Right. He
- 1:25ends up living with his grandmother on the Red Lake
- 1:28Indian Reservation, and things start to get really disturbing when
- 1:31you look at what he was doing online. Okay, he
- 1:34used these aliases regret and to deSingel, which is I
- 1:40think that's German for angel of death.
- 1:42Speaker 1: Oh gosh.
- 1:43Speaker 2: And he was posting these violent animations online, like shootings
- 1:46and stuff, and it's eerie, and one of them, the
- 1:48character actually kills himself. Wow. And it gets worse. There's
- 1:52proof he was mixed up with neo Nazi groups online.
- 1:55His posts on these forums were really disturbing, really hateful stuff.
- 1:59It's like he was looking for somewhere to belong you know,
- 2:02and the worst corners of the Internet were it.
- 2:05Speaker 1: So we've got a troubled childhood. He's obsessed with violence online,
- 2:09maybe even embraces these extreme beliefs. But that's not all.
- 2:13Weiss was bullied at school, called a goth kid because
- 2:16of how he looked. On top of all that, who
- 2:19knows what kind of mental health issues he might have
- 2:21had that warm't being treated. That's a lot for anyone
- 2:23to handle, let alone a teenager.
- 2:25Speaker 2: Yeah, you start to see all these individual risk factors,
- 2:28these threads of trauma, isolation, and his mental state all
- 2:33coming together. Yeah, like a perfect storm brewing in this
- 2:36kid's life.
- 2:37Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just heartbreaking because there were signs he was
- 2:39trying to reach out. Weiss tried to kill himself twice
- 2:42before the shooting even happened, even wrote about it online.
- 2:45He was prescribed prozac, but who knows if he was
- 2:49getting the right kind of mental health care. Was the
- 2:51dosage right? You know, we're left with these.
- 2:53Speaker 2: Questions, and this is where we have to be so careful.
- 2:55We're trying to understand what led to this, not make
- 2:58excuses for what Weiss did. For sure, It's about recognizing
- 3:01that everyone who commits an act of violence has a
- 3:03complex story exactly.
- 3:06Speaker 1: And to really understand Red Lake, we need to take
- 3:08a step back, look past Jeff Weiss himself and look
- 3:11at where he came from. So we're talking about the
- 3:13Red Lake Indian Reservation back in two thousand and five.
- 3:16What was life like there? Could that have played a
- 3:19role in all this? Yeah, when you look at the numbers,
- 3:21is pretty stark. Unemployment was around forty percent, which is
- 3:24more than three times the national average. Back then, almost
- 3:27half the families there were living below the poverty line.
- 3:29Poverty was a fact of life. And then there's the
- 3:32history of.
- 3:32Speaker 2: Trauma exactly, generations of being held down, forced to conform treaties,
- 3:37broken left and right. It leaves a mark on a
- 3:40community and that history it can show itself in a
- 3:43lot of ways. Violence, substance abuse, suicide. We saw it
- 3:47with Jeff and sadly, so many others on the reservation.
- 3:50Speaker 1: And get this, Red Lake is a closed reservation. Only
- 3:53Ojibwe members can live there or own land. The idea
- 3:56was to protect their heritage, their independence. All this meant
- 4:00a lot of isolation. The closest time with the grocery
- 4:02store was over thirty miles away. Think about that, that
- 4:05was the reality for people, limited access to just the basics,
- 4:09barely any opportunities to make a better life. It's like
- 4:12being trapped. How's a young person supposed to feel hopeful
- 4:15in that environment.
- 4:16Speaker 2: Yeah, you got to think about what that does to
- 4:18you mentally. You grow up surrounded by poverty, no opportunity,
- 4:23and that weight of history on your shoulders. It can
- 4:26make you feel like there's just no way out, like
- 4:28things will never get better.
- 4:29Speaker 1: And it's just tragic. You know. A year before the shooting,
- 4:32there was this study found that a scary number of
- 4:35high schoolers on the reservation had thought about suicide. It's
- 4:38a really bleak look at the mental health crisis happening
- 4:41at Red Lake.
- 4:42Speaker 2: It really is. And you can't separate these things, the poverty,
- 4:45the historical trauma. It all breeds despair, and that despair
- 4:49can become mental health issues and in the most extreme
- 4:52cases violence.
- 4:54Speaker 1: It's heavy stuff, and we have to remember these issues.
- 4:58They don't excuse the violence, but they help us understand
- 5:02the world it happened in. It'd be like trying to
- 5:03understand a plant without knowing anything about the soil. It's
- 5:06growing in. You can't have one without the other. So
- 5:09you've got this backdrop of despair, this feeling that there's
- 5:13no hope, it seems like. And then March twenty first,
- 5:16two thousand and five arrives. That's the day Jeff Wise
- 5:19takes his grandfather's guns he was a police officer, the
- 5:23very weapons meant to protect the community, and he drives
- 5:26to Red Lake Senior High School. He goes inside and
- 5:29shoots the security guard and a teacher kills them both.
- 5:32Then he goes into a classroom and that's where he
- 5:34murders five students, shoots and injures others. It's hard to
- 5:37even hear the details. These weren't just names on a list.
- 5:39These were real people, with their own stories, their own dreams,
- 5:42and it was all taken away. And in the middle
- 5:44of all that chaos, all that heartbreak, the people of
- 5:47Red Lake they had to find a way to heal.
- 5:49Speaker 2: And that's what we'll talk about next. How does a
- 5:51community that's hurting so badly, how did they even begin
- 5:54to put the pieces back together?
- 5:56Speaker 1: It's hard to imagine, you know, after something so awful,
- 5:59where do you even start to heal? How does a
- 6:01community shattered like that, how do they even begin to
- 6:03pick up the pieces? But that's what's so powerful about
- 6:06what happened at Red Lake right after the shooting. The
- 6:08community came together at the high school gym right and
- 6:11it wasn't just a sad gathering, you know. It was
- 6:14really incredible, like a testament to how strong people can be.
- 6:17They combined traditional Jibwe ceremonies with Catholic practices. It showed
- 6:22the real mix of the reservation. You just picture it.
- 6:25The air thick with sage burned to cleanse and guide
- 6:29the spirits. Drums echoing in the gym, each beat a
- 6:33reminder of their deep spiritual connection to their ancestors, to
- 6:36each other.
- 6:37Speaker 2: It's those traditions, those rituals passed down for generations. This
- 6:41where they found comfort, where they found strengths. It shows
- 6:44how powerful community is when things fall apart. It's not
- 6:47about pretending the pain isn't there. It's about facing it
- 6:50head on together, finding strength and shared traditions in mourning
- 6:55as one.
- 6:55Speaker 1: Yeah, and those traditions, they were so important to the
- 6:58long process of healing. But like any tragedy this big,
- 7:02there were legal things to deal with and a search
- 7:05for answers something that went beyond the reservation. They reached
- 7:09a million dollar settlement with the families of the victims.
- 7:12It was a small step, but an important one in
- 7:14acknowledging their loss, but the community they also wanted to
- 7:18know why could it have been stopped? And that question
- 7:22it hung over everything, leading investigators down a really complicated path.
- 7:26One name that came up was Louis ju Dane. His
- 7:29dad was the tribal chairman at the time. He'd been
- 7:31sending emails with wispoord happened, and looking back some of
- 7:35those messages they kind of hinted at a plan.
- 7:37Speaker 2: Wow.
- 7:37Speaker 1: They ended up dropping most of the charges against Jordaane,
- 7:41but it's still a haunting thought. Did we miss something?
- 7:44Were there warning signs that we as a society just
- 7:46aren't ready to see it?
- 7:48Speaker 2: That's the hardest part, isn't it. Looking back, it's easy
- 7:51to say we should have seen it coming, But these
- 7:54situations they're never simple. It's a mistake to oversimplify, to
- 7:59say there's one one reason or one mischance that caused
- 8:02all of this.
- 8:03Speaker 1: It's about understanding how complicated it is exactly we.
- 8:07Speaker 2: Need to be having real honest conversations that acknowledge how
- 8:11powerful mental health is, how much violence there is in
- 8:14our world, and yeah, those systemic issues that make despair
- 8:17almost inevitable.
- 8:18Speaker 1: It's about realizing that hurt people, they hurt other people.
- 8:22Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's about building a society where those hurting
- 8:25people they can find help, they can find healing before
- 8:28they ever think about hurting someone else.
- 8:30Speaker 1: The Red Lake shootings, all school shootings, they leave this scar,
- 8:33this awful reminder of what can happen when despare festers
- 8:36and nobody notices the warning signs. There's no simple solution,
- 8:39no quick fix. But if we can build communities where
- 8:42people like Jeff Weiss, where they feel seen, heard, supported,
- 8:46where we talk openly about mental health and getting help
- 8:48is easy, maybe, just maybe we can stop these tragedies
- 8:52from ever happening again. And that's what we have to
- 8:54think about as we move forward. How can we, in
- 8:57our own lives and in our communities be more proactive.
- 9:00How can we encourage understanding, empathy, and support, Because sometimes
- 9:05being brave isn't about facing the violence, it's about stopping
- 9:07it before it starts.