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Japan stuck in the middle - Masako Ganaha · UK Column Radio

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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to the UK column. Today. I'm joined
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Speaker 1: by Masako Ganaha, who grew up in Okinawa and Japan
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Speaker 1: and currently is in Tokyo or near Tokyo. So welcome
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Speaker 1: to the program. First of all, Masako, thank.
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Speaker 2: You so much for this opportunity.
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Speaker 1: Well, thank you for joining me. And you know, Japan
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Speaker 1: is a country that we in the West no relatively
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Speaker 1: little about. We don't get very much news from there,
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Speaker 1: and so I'm very interested to understand a bit of
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Speaker 1: Japanese perspective on current events. Now, you grew up on Okinawa,
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Speaker 1: so what was that like and how do people view
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Speaker 1: the United States.
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Speaker 3: Yes, I grew up in a town called Nago City,
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Speaker 3: which is northern part of Okinawa. We have US camps
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Speaker 3: and across Okinawa we have Air Force base, and so
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Speaker 3: people as a person grow up in Okinawa, I'm very
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Speaker 3: familiar with seeing American people in normal daily life, and
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Speaker 3: there are in short, there's a heavy information campaign about
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Speaker 3: on Okinawa to split Okinawa from the rest of Japan
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Speaker 3: and also weaken Japan, meaning to demilitarize Okinawa. So when
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Speaker 3: if you were to talk about the people in Okinawa's
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Speaker 3: feeling towards US, it's heavily divided because it's made to
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Speaker 3: be that way. Let me put it that way, and
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Speaker 3: I am pro America. I love American people, but I'm
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Speaker 3: anti globalism. So that's how I view the world.
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Speaker 1: When you say that there's division there, how is that
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Speaker 1: division expressing other campaigns to try to remove the American
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Speaker 1: influence from the island.
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Speaker 3: Yes, so, there are two major local newspapers in Okinawa.
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Speaker 3: One it's called Okinawa Times and the other it's called.
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Speaker 2: UQ Simple. Both are heavily left.
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Speaker 3: Leaning and they all they do is a political campaign
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Speaker 3: to get rid of US spaces and also Japanese Self
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Speaker 3: Defense Force out of Okinawa and make the situation easier
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Speaker 3: for CCP to invade Okinawa. That's a general idea, and
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Speaker 3: a lot of the activists across Japan they gather in
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Speaker 3: Okinawa and do protests in front of US spaces and
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Speaker 3: they do sort of like hate speech, and.
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Speaker 2: When it was getting super high tension.
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Speaker 3: Those activists actually try to attack American people going in
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Speaker 3: and out.
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Speaker 2: Of US basis.
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Speaker 3: So it's very politically energized place.
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Speaker 1: You said CCP and veding the country. Are you talking
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Speaker 1: about China, Yes, yes, yes, China. So what interests has
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Speaker 1: China and Okinawa.
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Speaker 3: So have you heard of Senkak Island that is a
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Speaker 3: remote island and it's Japanese territory and there is an
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Speaker 3: oil discovered and as soon as this discovery routes and resource,
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Speaker 3: CCIP has claimed that Okinawa is theirs because Senkak Island
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Speaker 3: belongs to Okinawa District. And for decades CCIP has been
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Speaker 3: doing information campaign against Japan and es heavily to Okinawa.
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Speaker 2: So, for example they do.
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Speaker 3: In there are many multiple layers of their aggression. One
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Speaker 3: is they uh it's they invade Japanese territorial water and
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Speaker 3: it's so common for US that it's like normal nowadays
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Speaker 3: for US. Or they invade a Japanese airspace. That's one thing.
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Speaker 3: The other is they do a history war, meaning that
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Speaker 3: they do the information campaign to do to spread the
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Speaker 3: misrepresentation of history of Okinawa and say people in Okinawa
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Speaker 3: are indigenous.
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Speaker 2: People and we are not Japanese.
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Speaker 3: Therefore as a as a indigenous people, we should claim
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Speaker 3: our human rights. Therefore, why there are Japanese army and
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Speaker 3: US basis so we need to get rid of them.
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Speaker 3: So they deploy those kind of narrative and they invite
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Speaker 3: professors and activists to China and they say that CCP
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Speaker 3: China will back up Okinawan's independence movement. So those kind
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Speaker 3: of thing is going on. So they are after routes
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Speaker 3: and resource and because CCP wants to go to not
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Speaker 3: only taking Okinawa or Japan, they want to expand their
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Speaker 3: territory to Pacific Ocean. So if you look up the map,
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Speaker 3: Okinawa island is actually blocking CCP going towards Pacific Ocean.
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Speaker 3: That's why they want to take Okinawa and Japan.
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Speaker 1: There is an Okinawa independence movement as that right, and
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Speaker 1: so how many what kind of support does that organization have?
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Speaker 3: So it's based out of the propaganda.
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Speaker 2: So if you talk about.
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Speaker 3: Local people, we say what are you talking about because
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Speaker 3: we are Japanese.
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Speaker 2: But if you.
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Speaker 3: Dig into this issue, you started to find Chinese article
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Speaker 3: or Japanese article that those specific activists are claiming that
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Speaker 3: they want independence for Okinawa. So it's a political campaign.
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Speaker 1: But does it have any kind of degree of support.
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Speaker 3: Not generally no, But they are trying to spring this
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Speaker 3: argument into a big thing. And activists actually go to
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Speaker 3: UN United Nations at Human Rights Council and they dress
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Speaker 3: up like indigenous people and say how they are victimized
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Speaker 3: by Japanese government, and they say, other indigenous people, we
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Speaker 3: want their rights to be protected. So they are using
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Speaker 3: this kind of information campaign to try to create that
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Speaker 3: there is such an argument and they and then they
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Speaker 3: try to brainwash with this information campaign. So those are
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Speaker 3: fabricated movement.
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Speaker 1: If we if we're looking at not just Okanawa, but
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Speaker 1: Japan in general, what's the Japanese attitude to China at
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Speaker 1: the moment, and also the Japanese attitude to NATO and
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Speaker 1: the Western fact.
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Speaker 3: Well, right now, the dominant the party in Japan is
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Speaker 3: a Liberal Democratic party and they said to be conservative
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Speaker 3: and they are heavily anti CCP, but there are many
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Speaker 3: variety of people in the party and many are pro
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Speaker 3: CCP also. So but in general, I think that more
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Speaker 3: and more Japanese people started to realize the threat of
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Speaker 3: CCP and how heavily they have influence within jap pen already.
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Speaker 3: So I can say that many Japanese people started to
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Speaker 3: realize the threat by CCP.
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Speaker 2: But also because we have LDP.
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Speaker 3: How they do the policy now is that they are
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Speaker 3: opening up the border of Japan and they are doing
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Speaker 3: mass immigration policy now even though they say that they
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Speaker 3: are not doing, but what they're doing is actually, uh,
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Speaker 3: what's happening to Europe too, So we.
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Speaker 1: Japanese people coming from sorry, where are the people coming
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Speaker 1: from that that they're bringing into the country.
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Speaker 2: Then yes, So we have many Chinese.
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Speaker 3: We have a lot of Koreans because Korean used to
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Speaker 3: be Japan, so we have many Koreans before the war and.
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Speaker 2: After War two, and a lot of the worker.
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Speaker 3: Coming from overseas are actually Vietnamese. And we have many
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Speaker 3: Kurdish people too. And there is a prefere next to Tokyo.
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Speaker 3: It's called the Saitama Prefecture, and there is a play
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Speaker 3: town called the Kavaguti. These specific place have a lot
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Speaker 3: of Kurdish people, So Japanese call this area a Kavagutista
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Speaker 3: because we have so many Kurdish people.
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Speaker 2: And so.
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Speaker 3: Depends on that area you have those features. But we
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Speaker 3: have many people from many parts of the world.
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Speaker 1: It's fascinating that similar policies are implemented in different countries
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Speaker 1: at the same time. That is very interesting. So what
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Speaker 1: kind of numbers are we talking about in terms of immigration.
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Speaker 3: Because Japanese government officially say they don't have an immigration policy.
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Speaker 3: But they say, because Japanese people do not have enough
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Speaker 3: birth rate, so we need to accept a lot of workers.
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Speaker 3: And they started to talk about Uh, they started to
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Speaker 3: talk about the numbers. But Japanese people now are pushing back.
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Speaker 3: So the number is like they the government say one number,
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Speaker 3: but it's actually it's it's not so for example, if
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Speaker 3: you want to know the detail, but the Japanese government
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Speaker 3: has been proposing. For example, I can give you an
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Speaker 3: example of the news that shocked many Japanese people.
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Speaker 2: Uh.
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Speaker 3: This year, we have our agency called the JAIKA. It's
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Speaker 3: like a Japanese version of us AID, and they are
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Speaker 3: designated for Japanese cities at hometowns for African nations.
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Speaker 2: That was the news.
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Speaker 3: And those four those African nations Tanzania and other countries
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Speaker 3: is as such, Nigeria and Ghana and one more country
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Speaker 3: is let me see, did I say a Tanzania and
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Speaker 3: Nigeria and Ghana and Mozambique. So and they say that
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Speaker 3: they disignate those four cities in Japan as African nation's
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Speaker 3: hometown and they started to walk on this project. But
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Speaker 3: Japanese people living in those cities and the people across
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Speaker 3: Japan were surprised why Japanese government suddenly say even though
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Speaker 3: they don't have the immigration policy, they are letting African
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Speaker 3: people call city in Japan as their hometown. And that
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Speaker 3: got a lot of pushback, and those cities now say
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Speaker 3: that they are going to cancel this project.
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Speaker 2: So there are so much confusion.
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Speaker 3: But even though they say they canceled, they are actually
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Speaker 3: preparing to welcome with a different project name.
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Speaker 1: You're saying that there has been pushed back. Is that
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Speaker 1: pushback across the political spectrum or is their division politically
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Speaker 1: on this issue.
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Speaker 2: Yes.
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Speaker 3: One of the party that is fighting strongly against those
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Speaker 3: policy is.
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Speaker 2: Called Sanseeto Party.
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Speaker 3: Sanseto is a very new party, but they have eighteen
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Speaker 3: seats now at the Japanese Diet and they are heavily
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Speaker 3: against those immigration policy. So those type of political party
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Speaker 3: are heavily against. But there are other party like LdB
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Speaker 3: or other leftist party that they say that we should
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Speaker 3: not be racist. Those kind of very common arguments that's
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Speaker 3: happening in other countries.
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Speaker 1: Would you consider that most Japanese political parties fall on
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Speaker 1: the left of the political spectrum or are the traditional
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Speaker 1: political parties on the right as well?
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Speaker 3: What I can say is that I don't now divide
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Speaker 3: the political sphere as left or right, even though they
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Speaker 3: have there is a right, they are only controlled opposition
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Speaker 3: to the heavily left, and they serve the same outcome.
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Speaker 3: So what I can say is that the Sunset Party
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Speaker 3: is anti globalism and they are conservative, but most of
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Speaker 3: the other parties are opening borders and they're they pushing
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Speaker 3: walk ideology, so most of them are not conservative.
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Speaker 1: So it sounds like Japan is experiencing very many of
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Speaker 1: the same types of how do we describe it, cultural
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Speaker 1: change operations that countries in the West are. Do you
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Speaker 1: think that's because since the Second World War, Japan has
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Speaker 1: been more aligned with the West than it has been
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Speaker 1: with what's now sort of known as the global size.
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Speaker 3: Yes, I think a lot of things have to do
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Speaker 3: with what we experienced after we lost in World War Two.
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Speaker 3: Because after the war, US deployed the agency what's called
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Speaker 3: d General Headquarter, and they did a lot of the
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Speaker 3: information campaigns so that Japan won't be strong and independent again,
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Speaker 3: and there are a lot of censorships, and they put
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Speaker 3: a lot of red people into the important position and
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Speaker 3: did the conservative parts, and so there are so many
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Speaker 3: things destroying the Japanese traditions and religion and family structure.
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Speaker 3: So those now come to fruition that we are just.
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Speaker 2: Going along with the.
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Speaker 3: Foreign interest or outside influence, that basically we are being
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Speaker 3: a puppet country. We are not truly independent. That's what
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Speaker 3: I can say for sure, even though I'm ashamed to
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Speaker 3: say it, but that's the situation in Japan.
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Speaker 1: Are you suggesting then that actually, whether it's the United
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Speaker 1: States and NATO and so on one hand or China
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Speaker 1: on the other, really Japan needs to be looking to
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Speaker 1: go in its own way.
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Speaker 3: Yes, yes, exactly, that's what we need to do in Japan.
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Speaker 3: Because talking about, for example, constitution, the constitution that we
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Speaker 3: have right now is not created by Japanese people.
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Speaker 2: The constitution we have now.
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Speaker 3: US made it for Japan, and that includes that we
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Speaker 3: cannot have actually military forces. So Japanese self defense force
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Speaker 3: that we have is technically it's not military, and we
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Speaker 3: have our what's called Article nine that forbids US abandoned
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Speaker 3: force to protect our sovereignty. So, for example, when CCP
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Speaker 3: invades Japan, or if there is such a thing happens,
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Speaker 3: then what Japanese conservative people are thinking is okay, does
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Speaker 3: this trigger the treaty with the US that US has
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Speaker 3: to protect Japan. We have a treaty with US. If
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Speaker 3: something happens, then US will help Japan. So Japanese people
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Speaker 3: are always thinking about what US think, what American president think,
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Speaker 3: and would they assure that they are going to protect
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Speaker 3: us if something happens.
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Speaker 2: So we have this mentality.
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Speaker 3: So whatever important topic comes, then we have to make
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Speaker 3: sure that we don't make US upset because then they
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Speaker 3: can leverage that they say, okay, if Japan is gonna
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Speaker 3: do that, then US is not gonna help you.
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Speaker 2: It's your business.
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Speaker 3: So we are always afraid that US won't help Japan
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Speaker 3: if we do on our own thing. So that was
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Speaker 3: the important struggle that Japan always had. But like you said,
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Speaker 3: we have to be.
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Speaker 2: On our own.
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Speaker 3: We have to have our own constitution. We have to
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Speaker 3: toss out Article nine to help ourselves, to protect ourselves,
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Speaker 3: so we have to be independent country.
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Speaker 1: Do Japanese people in general think that the United States
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Speaker 1: is in a position to assist in the event that
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Speaker 1: there should be any kind of aggression from the Chinese,
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Speaker 1: because obviously China is building a military capability at the
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Speaker 1: moment which is beyond anything that we've seen for a
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Speaker 1: very long time from China. And the question is whether
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Speaker 1: you know China is in a state of building their military.
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Speaker 1: The United States military is a state of relative collapse.
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Speaker 1: And so I wonder what people think about the United
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Speaker 1: States ability to actually protect them in the event of
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Speaker 1: any kind of aggression.
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Speaker 3: Your concern is very I agree with your concern.
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Speaker 2: And so right now, Japanese people have.
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Speaker 3: An illusion that US is strong and they're going to
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Speaker 3: take care of us if something happens. Under the illusion
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Speaker 3: we abandoned our sovereignty and we are keeping in this cage,
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Speaker 3: putting ourselves in this cage. But what we need to
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Speaker 3: do is we need to realize what's happening in US
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Speaker 3: and what China is doing, and build ourselves strong again
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Speaker 3: and independent again. And I myself having seen what's happening
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Speaker 3: in US, for example, the mass invasion of illegals going
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Speaker 3: in through the from the southern border of US, and
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Speaker 3: the US official at that time it was a Biden administration,
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Speaker 3: but the administration itself let it happen, its own destruction
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Speaker 3: of the USA. If the own government, US government won't
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Speaker 3: protect us, destroy us, why would US do to other
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Speaker 3: country like Japan, and so we are in a very
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Speaker 3: difficult situation as a Japan because we have the illusion
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Speaker 3: and the illusion is not true. And actually do you
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Speaker 3: I wonder if the people foreign people know that Japan
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Speaker 3: even don't have the anti espionage law. So there are
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Speaker 3: so many spy in Japan. It's easy to do because
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Speaker 3: we don't have the.
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Speaker 2: Law to region it.
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Speaker 3: If something some unusual activity happens in Japan, what we
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Speaker 3: Japanese ended up doing.
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Speaker 2: It we arrest these.
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Speaker 3: People as other things, not the not the act of espionage,
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Speaker 3: but for example, maybe stealing something or doing violating minor
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Speaker 3: things because we don't have the anti espionage law.
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Speaker 2: So that's that degree.
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Speaker 3: How deterior or rating situation Japan is.
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Speaker 1: When you are concerned about espionage, are you talking about
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Speaker 1: from what countries are we talking about here? Is it
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Speaker 1: just China or is it actually quite a range of countries?
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Speaker 2: I think any country except the Japan.
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Speaker 1: The United States.
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Speaker 3: Yes, yes, any country, because the intelligence is any other
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Speaker 3: country is a job, and Japan our job is to
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Speaker 3: protect any such activity.
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Speaker 1: So there was some suggestion over the last month or
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Speaker 1: two that relations between Japan and China were approving, and
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Speaker 1: so the question is whether or not that's that's real,
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Speaker 1: or whether that's something which is being encouraged by the
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Speaker 1: same political forces that are bringing that are opening the
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Speaker 1: borders and so on.
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Speaker 3: Oh, I think there is a hot news right now
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Speaker 3: in Japan and it's outraging at Japanese. Which is a
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Speaker 3: Chinese ambassador to Japan. He posted something on x What
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Speaker 3: he said was outraged towards our Japanese prime minister. And
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Speaker 3: if I were to translate his post into English, it's
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Speaker 3: not an exact word because I'm translating if you could understand,
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Speaker 3: but he posted something meaning it's inevitable to cut her
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Speaker 3: head off.
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Speaker 2: That was the post by ambassador from China. And what the.
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Speaker 3: Japanese side it was that it wasn't Usually this act
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Speaker 3: would be we would designate you as a non persona
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Speaker 3: grata or something. That's the cowmon sense I think. But
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Speaker 3: we didn't do that. We just expressed our.
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Speaker 2: Sorriness, right. So that's Japan is being very real weak.
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Speaker 1: Okay, so clearly there is no possibility of better relations
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Speaker 1: with China. Let's let's set China aside for a second.
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Speaker 1: What about Russia. What's what's Japan's attitude towards Russia.
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Speaker 3: Recently, Japanese Prime minister said to US side that Japan
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Speaker 3: cannot cut all the import of the natural energy from Russia,
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Speaker 3: meaning that US side demanded that we cut off one
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Speaker 3: hundred percent of this natural resource energy from Russia. But
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Speaker 3: Japan's Japan basically we declined. So I think current cabinet
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Speaker 3: is still main trying to maintain the relationship with Russia.
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Speaker 3: Because Japan don't have enough natural resource. We have to
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Speaker 3: import most most of our energy that we use more
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Speaker 3: than ninety percent. And what I think myself is that
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Speaker 3: we have to have a better relationship with Russia and
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Speaker 3: built the pipeline from Russia so we can maintain the
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Speaker 3: stable energy import from Russia. Actually, what this was what
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Speaker 3: Prime Minister Abbe was doing. He promised with putting back
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Speaker 3: in twenty nineteen and putting flud to Japan, and they
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Speaker 3: agreed to make a plan to construct pipeline from Russia
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Speaker 3: to Japan and they were working on it. But according
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Speaker 3: to their plan, it should have been completed by year
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Speaker 3: twenty twenty one or twenty two each but this plan
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Speaker 3: was abundant, so it didn't.
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Speaker 2: Come to the light.
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Speaker 3: So that was Prime Minister Abbe was doing, and Prime
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Speaker 3: Minister Abbe and current Prime Minister Takaiji they are very
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Speaker 3: close and right now in Japan many people support Prime
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Speaker 3: Minister because people consider that she is the successor of
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Speaker 3: Prime Minister Abbey.
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Speaker 1: So what route would that pipeline have taken?
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Speaker 2: Ah, Yes, it's from the.
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Speaker 3: If you look, I forgot the specific destination of Russia.
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Speaker 3: But it's from the Tishima Island. I think it's how
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Speaker 3: do you say it's in Japanese, it's Tishima Island.
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Speaker 1: Obviously, a pipeline has to cross the sea, and that
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Speaker 1: makes it an easy target.
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Speaker 3: Potentially maybe, but we have we need to maintain multiple
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Speaker 3: source of getting the energy from. So directly from Russia,
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Speaker 3: I think it's very ideal and for US Japanese. If
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Speaker 3: the sea lane is closed by China down South China Sea,
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Speaker 3: then uh, it will be very troublesome for US Japanese.
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Speaker 3: So if we have multiple way of coming, then it
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Speaker 3: will be very beneficial.
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Speaker 1: Obviously, Trump would prefer that Japan is buying all its
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Speaker 1: oil and natural gas from the United States.
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Speaker 2: Whatever America thinks.
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Speaker 3: The American government, of course want the Japanese as too
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Speaker 3: dependent on.
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Speaker 2: Them, so then they can control us.
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Speaker 3: But we need to end this relationship and yes, we
27:36
Speaker 3: need to be truly independent. So that's what I think
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Speaker 3: that Japanese leader need to think of, not just considering
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Speaker 3: going along with our West and say Russia is the
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Speaker 3: evil and Ukraine we need to help Ukraine.
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Speaker 2: Ukraine? Ukraine?
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Speaker 1: Is Japan helping Ukraine at the moment? What is the
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Speaker 1: situation there?
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Speaker 3: Japan we helped funding the rebuilding the Ukraine. And when
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Speaker 3: Putin's daughter had the bank account in Japan, it's not
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Speaker 3: recent the news, but before one time Japan frozen the
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Speaker 3: bank account of Putin's daughter's bank account and then send
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Speaker 3: that money to Ukraine. That's what Japanese government done. So
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Speaker 3: I think it's a very insane thing to do. If
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Speaker 3: Japanese the government consider things for Japan that can't be legal. Yes,
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Speaker 3: so I don't see our Prime minister, including Prime Minister Avedo,
28:54
Speaker 3: the leaders in Japan.
28:56
Speaker 2: They are picked to.
28:58
Speaker 3: Be puppet of the West, and the very people that
29:03
Speaker 3: we believed in that they're conservative and they're the ones
29:07
Speaker 3: who restored bring Japan strong again. We believed those people
29:15
Speaker 3: and the very people who said what they're gonna do,
29:19
Speaker 3: they just betrayed, so control, the idea of control or position,
29:26
Speaker 3: that's the very thing happening in Japan, and Japanese people
29:30
Speaker 3: have been betrayed so many times. But because that leftists
29:37
Speaker 3: in Japan, they are out of a question. So only
29:41
Speaker 3: hope that we had was LDP Liberal Democratic Party. We
29:46
Speaker 3: say we thought there are conservative people, but they are
29:50
Speaker 3: the very people who have destroyed Japan. But Japanese people
29:55
Speaker 3: still believe in them.
29:57
Speaker 1: And what about the situation in the Middle Eastern There
30:00
Speaker 1: is there much discussion about that in Japan.
30:03
Speaker 3: Are not so much because well it needs to be
30:11
Speaker 3: but as as you can tell, the because Japanese government
30:17
Speaker 3: and the media all in global globalist hands. So those
30:23
Speaker 3: people are all for helping Israel, and we don't know
30:30
Speaker 3: much about Israel being very corrupted and there is a
30:38
Speaker 3: genocide going on. So the people who are protesting against
30:43
Speaker 3: what's happening in Gada are actually liberal people leftist people
30:48
Speaker 3: because they want to oppose whatever the government say. So
30:53
Speaker 3: it's very complicated the government saying that they're conservative, they
30:59
Speaker 3: are not actual conservative. They're the puppet of globalist and
31:03
Speaker 3: they are all for helping the West and.
31:08
Speaker 2: The general side.
31:10
Speaker 3: But because there is a leftist people who want to
31:16
Speaker 3: just oppose the government, so they happened sometimes to be
31:20
Speaker 3: doing what globalists don't like. So it's it's very twisted, complicated.
31:28
Speaker 1: Yes, no, no, I understand that absolutely, and then that's
31:32
Speaker 1: that's not an uncommon thing. Japan obviously has no armed
31:35
Speaker 1: forces of its own, so I'm a right and saying
31:38
Speaker 1: then that the Japan is not manufacturing any kind of
31:44
Speaker 1: defense equipment or there is no defense industry, and Japan
31:48
Speaker 1: is a correct.
31:48
Speaker 3: No, we do have a defense industry, but Japanese government
31:52
Speaker 3: always buying the equipment from US manufacturing.
31:58
Speaker 1: Are you manufacturing and thing yourselves and exporting that to
32:03
Speaker 1: other countries or or is that something that just is
32:06
Speaker 1: not a part of the sort of productive capacity in
32:10
Speaker 1: Japan at the moment.
32:12
Speaker 3: I don't think we are like exporting. We are trying
32:17
Speaker 3: to build up our industry. But because we are not,
32:22
Speaker 3: we are not allowed to have a military to begin with.
32:26
Speaker 3: And the mechanism is like, we try to build up
32:33
Speaker 3: our military, we want to be strong again, but that's
32:38
Speaker 3: something that is not allowed by globalists, and what we
32:43
Speaker 3: ended up doing is that we raise defense budget and
32:48
Speaker 3: then this money goes to us and we buy their missiles,
32:56
Speaker 3: and by doing this, actually Globalist a building up with
33:00
Speaker 3: Japan because.
33:02
Speaker 2: They want to fight using.
33:04
Speaker 3: Japan against the CCP also, so there's a very difficult situation.
33:11
Speaker 3: CCP is of course after Japan, so we need to
33:14
Speaker 3: protect Japan from CCP. But at the same time globalist
33:20
Speaker 3: US wants to use Japan to smash CCP also, so
33:26
Speaker 3: we are in between. We need to build up Japan,
33:30
Speaker 3: Japanese the military. But at the same time, if we
33:33
Speaker 3: just keep going along with a narrative with the globalist
33:37
Speaker 3: then we will be used like Ukraine too.
33:41
Speaker 2: Does it make sense.
33:43
Speaker 1: It absolutely makes sense. Yes, I completely understand where you're
33:46
Speaker 1: coming from with that. Okay, look, let's let's just talk
33:49
Speaker 1: about the economic situation then for a minute. And because
33:54
Speaker 1: obviously in the West we are experiencing a set of
34:00
Speaker 1: policies that are absolutely destroying productive capacity in our countries.
34:06
Speaker 1: I mean Germany, for example, it's car industry. Germany is
34:09
Speaker 1: famous for its for its car industry, and that industry
34:12
Speaker 1: is being absolutely destroyed by its own government at the moment.
34:16
Speaker 1: And this is all as you know, on the basis
34:19
Speaker 1: of net zero and climate change and so on. Is Japan,
34:24
Speaker 1: Japan is famously an industrialized country. It is producing and
34:29
Speaker 1: has produced a lot of what we drive that also
34:35
Speaker 1: produces cars, a lot of our electronics and so on.
34:40
Speaker 1: Is the house of Japanese economy doing at the moment
34:43
Speaker 1: productively or is this same policy, this effort to shut
34:47
Speaker 1: down industry happening there.
34:51
Speaker 3: What I think what's happening in Japan is that we
34:54
Speaker 3: had in the past, we had a Japanese company and
34:59
Speaker 3: operate the in Japanese custom, meaning we have we had
35:04
Speaker 3: a very good culture of operating company like we operate
35:11
Speaker 3: as we are family, not the contract. And for example,
35:17
Speaker 3: if in Japan it's not so. It used to be
35:21
Speaker 3: very common that if you have a job, you keep
35:25
Speaker 3: working for one company because it's not about salary, it's
35:30
Speaker 3: about what you can do for the community and for
35:35
Speaker 3: the company. So they get once they hired, they work
35:41
Speaker 3: in a company for entire their life, and then they
35:44
Speaker 3: just pay loyalty to a company, and so company protected
35:50
Speaker 3: the workers and workers who are very loyal to the
35:54
Speaker 3: company those things. But what's happening now is that because
35:58
Speaker 3: Japan is being taken.
36:00
Speaker 2: Over, so.
36:04
Speaker 3: We imported a lot of the culture of operating companies
36:08
Speaker 3: from West and we have the stock stock system, so
36:15
Speaker 3: it's rather the employees are not working for the founder
36:21
Speaker 3: of the country company, but they're working for people who invest.
36:26
Speaker 3: So our culture of company has changed. And now what's
36:33
Speaker 3: happening is that ahead of the big traditional companies are
36:39
Speaker 3: not Japanese or they're manipulated by for example, being a
36:46
Speaker 3: member off and so they're always looking at going along
36:50
Speaker 3: with ESG and like World Economic Forum type of policy.
36:59
Speaker 3: So that's basically it's the same in Japan, I think also,
37:06
Speaker 3: and so what there is an organization what's called k DOWN.
37:11
Speaker 3: Then K Down then is a group of strong companies
37:16
Speaker 3: in Japan who has a which has a very strong
37:21
Speaker 3: power over making policies in Japan.
37:24
Speaker 2: They work with the.
37:28
Speaker 3: Politicians and they found a lot of the money for
37:32
Speaker 3: their campaign, so they can make those politicians to make
37:36
Speaker 3: regulations that benefit those big companies, so like tax reform
37:42
Speaker 3: and so on. So small companies, mom and pop companies
37:49
Speaker 3: you say in English, those uh stores companies are very
37:54
Speaker 3: difficult to operate. And now big companies uh they who
37:59
Speaker 3: does like huge things exporting, they will get the benefit.
38:04
Speaker 1: Okay, So the World Economic Forum type policies are coming in.
38:09
Speaker 1: But is the idea of net zero a thing in Japan,
38:13
Speaker 1: and the idea that you've got to stop industrialization and
38:18
Speaker 1: effectively reverse industrialization to a large degree, are using energy
38:24
Speaker 1: production being converted into when turbines and solar panels and
38:29
Speaker 1: so on. Are these types of policies becoming a problem
38:34
Speaker 1: in Japan yet.
38:35
Speaker 3: Yes, a solar panel is a huge problem. They are
38:39
Speaker 3: destroying the very important like nature in wetland and it
38:46
Speaker 3: cannot be reversed. But that's ongoing. There are cutting down
38:50
Speaker 3: trees in many forest mountains. So in the company who
38:56
Speaker 3: make those solar panel are Chinese. For example, about the
39:02
Speaker 3: solar panel, the governor of Tokyo, whose name is Unko Koike,
39:07
Speaker 3: she is very close with globalists like George Sorows or
39:12
Speaker 3: those high people. She implemented a regulation that if you
39:17
Speaker 3: build a house in Tokyo, it's a mandatory to put
39:23
Speaker 3: solar panel on topyo of your house. So those policies
39:27
Speaker 3: are ongoing, and actually in Japan you will see SDG
39:32
Speaker 3: sign everywhere.
39:34
Speaker 2: If you see if you walk in.
39:36
Speaker 3: Downtown Tokyo, when there is a construction site and they
39:40
Speaker 3: have a sign, there is a huge sign saying that
39:44
Speaker 3: how they follow certain regulation for SDGs, so it's everywhere.
39:53
Speaker 1: We can't finish this conversation without discussing what happened during
39:59
Speaker 1: twenty twenty twenty twenty one. What was life like in
40:04
Speaker 1: Japan while the COVID scare was happening.
40:09
Speaker 3: It was very different from other countries. I was in Japan,
40:14
Speaker 3: and also I flew to many countries, so I know
40:17
Speaker 3: the difference. And in Japan, to begin with, we didn't
40:21
Speaker 3: have an emergency Act, meaning which allows us to lock
40:25
Speaker 3: down or force us to get injection. So those are
40:30
Speaker 3: not mandatory by law. So there are not like police
40:35
Speaker 3: arresting people who are not wearing masks that kind of things.
40:39
Speaker 3: In a social world, we have a heavy pure pressure
40:45
Speaker 3: social pressure, so most of the Japanese people wearing masks
40:51
Speaker 3: without any law, and department stores they closed before eight pm,
40:58
Speaker 3: and so those kind of regulations were there. And again
41:04
Speaker 3: the governor of Tokyo, she was one of the person
41:11
Speaker 3: who did a lot of the propaganda against people, and
41:15
Speaker 3: she was saying that please do not come to Tokyo
41:19
Speaker 3: and social distancing and get the injections. And so that
41:26
Speaker 3: was the regulation that Japanese government did too. And at
41:31
Speaker 3: one point, when you fly from other countries to Japan.
41:36
Speaker 3: Back to Japan, you need to do a quarantine, maybe.
41:40
Speaker 2: Three days or a week.
41:42
Speaker 3: It depends on where you flew from and whenever you
41:46
Speaker 3: arrived to the airport. It was mandatory that you have
41:49
Speaker 3: to do pc artists. It was with Saliba and people.
41:55
Speaker 3: I experienced many times we are waiting for the result
41:59
Speaker 3: of the pc RT test. If they say that you're
42:02
Speaker 3: a positive, you will be taken to a designated hotel
42:07
Speaker 3: and you have to do your quarantine. And if you
42:10
Speaker 3: got a negative, you still have to stay at the
42:13
Speaker 3: address that you gave to the official and then they
42:16
Speaker 3: will make us installed up on your phone and randomly
42:21
Speaker 3: the app will call you and you have to immediately answer,
42:25
Speaker 3: and then the camera turns on and I have to
42:28
Speaker 3: show the proof that I am at the exact address
42:33
Speaker 3: that I reported the government, so they it was a
42:38
Speaker 3: digital jail.
42:41
Speaker 2: That was the example of the meter.
42:44
Speaker 1: So how do you prove your address if you're if
42:46
Speaker 1: you're not allowed to go outside, or how do you
42:49
Speaker 1: how do you prove your address? That's an interesting.
42:54
Speaker 3: Yes, what I experienced was if they call you, then
42:59
Speaker 3: the camera turns on and I have to show the
43:01
Speaker 3: background and make sure that I'm inside a place, and
43:06
Speaker 3: I think they have like a GPS and they know
43:09
Speaker 3: that if your deal location is your phone. Basically, if
43:13
Speaker 3: your phone is out of the building, then you are
43:17
Speaker 3: violating the regulation. So they will send somebody to the
43:21
Speaker 3: house and make sure you're inside or if not. I
43:23
Speaker 3: don't know what they did, but so some people tricked
43:27
Speaker 3: and they left the phone in the house themselves went outside.
43:34
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, okay, but in general it doesn't sound like okay.
43:39
Speaker 1: The pair pressure was probably quite quite intense. But there
43:43
Speaker 1: was no government government mandate on what you what you
43:46
Speaker 1: could do.
43:47
Speaker 3: Yes, it was not like like you cannot go out
43:53
Speaker 3: of your house or anything like this. But I think
43:56
Speaker 3: that those kind of mind control social control measure is modified, customized,
44:05
Speaker 3: depends on the culture. I think so even though Japan
44:09
Speaker 3: we did not have the mandate, it works. The Japanese
44:13
Speaker 3: society functioned as such. But now what I need to
44:19
Speaker 3: mention is that the new Prime Minister sanai A Takaiji,
44:24
Speaker 3: she mentioned before running for the prime minister race, she said,
44:31
Speaker 3: if it boll Us, for example, happens, then everybody has
44:36
Speaker 3: to get injection. We have to implement those kind of
44:40
Speaker 3: laws that Japanese government will have more power and enforced
44:46
Speaker 3: to the individual for the public. So Japanese government is
44:51
Speaker 3: going towards that direction.
44:54
Speaker 1: And is that something that the Japanese people are going
44:57
Speaker 1: with The Japanese people go along with that.
44:59
Speaker 3: I don't think japan we will go along with it,
45:02
Speaker 3: But Japanese government is it trying to So we should
45:05
Speaker 3: not let it to happen.
45:07
Speaker 1: Obviously, you were talking there about the the app that
45:11
Speaker 1: had to be installed on your phone and phone calls
45:14
Speaker 1: and geolocation and so on. That type of thing was
45:21
Speaker 1: attempted to be rolled out in the West as well.
45:23
Speaker 1: But of course now we're seeing the extension of that
45:27
Speaker 1: in digitalized ideas and and and so on, and the
45:32
Speaker 1: age verification for accessing certain websites on the Internet, including
45:37
Speaker 1: social media websites in many cases. Are you Japan of
45:45
Speaker 1: course is a very technologically relatively advanced country and and
45:50
Speaker 1: very manufacturing a lot of electronics and very pro electronics
45:55
Speaker 1: and so on. But is that is that something that
45:58
Speaker 1: you're saying being rolled out in Japan or maybe you
46:00
Speaker 1: already have this type of this type of digital identification
46:04
Speaker 1: and and the use of that on the Internet and
46:08
Speaker 1: so on.
46:09
Speaker 2: We have a digital idea. What's called my number.
46:13
Speaker 3: So all the Japanese people, the government will give you
46:17
Speaker 3: a number, right, but it's not you have a They
46:22
Speaker 3: send you a paper card and if you want to
46:25
Speaker 3: make it digital, you can do it. It's voluntarily, it's not
46:29
Speaker 3: man mandate for now, but Japanese government is trying to
46:33
Speaker 3: push Japanese people to move from paper one to digital one.
46:38
Speaker 3: So they say we will give you money if you
46:41
Speaker 3: do it, or if you yes, they give you coupon
46:47
Speaker 3: that those kind of traps worked well, I think unfortunately,
46:52
Speaker 3: and now what Japanese government is doing that when you
46:56
Speaker 3: go to hospital, you pay and you need, you can
46:59
Speaker 3: get the insurance for that card they have. They were
47:04
Speaker 3: saying that we are not going to give you the
47:06
Speaker 3: paper one because we are integrating this card with the
47:11
Speaker 3: my number card, so please issue your digital ID in
47:17
Speaker 3: order to do that. But what they're hiding is if
47:20
Speaker 3: you don't want to do it, they will still send
47:22
Speaker 3: you a paper one. So there are in many ways
47:27
Speaker 3: trying to have us move on to digital ID, but
47:32
Speaker 3: again it's not mandate yet and they are going towards
47:35
Speaker 3: that way.
47:37
Speaker 1: And is that something that people in general are objecting
47:41
Speaker 1: to or is there enthusiasm and in fact, how does
47:45
Speaker 1: that work in terms of age groups of people. Are
47:50
Speaker 1: the younger people more inclined to accept this?
47:53
Speaker 3: I think many Japanese people, Uh, don't we have a
47:58
Speaker 3: general idea of we don't want to be controlled because
48:02
Speaker 3: we prefer our privacy and we don't want to because
48:10
Speaker 3: this idea will They started to saying that please register
48:14
Speaker 3: this ide to your bank account too. That's what they
48:16
Speaker 3: are doing. If you receive money from from outside of
48:21
Speaker 3: the country, not domestic, but if you receive money transfer
48:25
Speaker 3: from oversea, we have to they say, we have to
48:28
Speaker 3: submit this number. So many people are like opposing something
48:34
Speaker 3: is not right.
48:35
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter what age people are there, they're feeling
48:39
Speaker 1: the same about this. It's not the case that that
48:41
Speaker 1: younger people are more accepting.
48:43
Speaker 3: How I can answer this question, maybe I shouldly say
48:47
Speaker 3: when I go to anti globalism movement, which they say
48:51
Speaker 3: they don't want those kinds of controls, so those minded
48:54
Speaker 3: people will together. And that demographic is that actually there
48:58
Speaker 3: are many women gathering or maybe more than men, for example,
49:05
Speaker 3: more younger people, more women. That's the tendency that I
49:10
Speaker 3: that I see in those kinds of movements, so it's
49:14
Speaker 3: spreading into women and the younger generations.
49:18
Speaker 1: I'm fascinated about a bunch of comments about China. I'm
49:25
Speaker 1: I would I do wonder whether whether Japan is being
49:32
Speaker 1: used as you know, effectively, as you said, as as
49:36
Speaker 1: a as restaging post by the West and it's attitude
49:42
Speaker 1: towards China.
49:43
Speaker 3: I think for US Japanese, what's important for us to
49:46
Speaker 3: recognize is that we need to be truly independent. Now
49:51
Speaker 3: it's between the choice between we go with us or
49:55
Speaker 3: we go with China. We need to be Japan. That's
50:00
Speaker 3: the uh, that's the what should I say, the choice
50:04
Speaker 3: that we have to create. So if we think this way,
50:11
Speaker 3: then we understand that we have to be strong in
50:14
Speaker 3: order to be independent, so we need to build up.
50:17
Speaker 3: But at the same time we have to be clear
50:20
Speaker 3: clever that this situation will not be used and turned
50:25
Speaker 3: against us by.
50:28
Speaker 2: Globalists. So it's very difficult situation.
50:32
Speaker 3: But at the same time, I think it's a chance
50:35
Speaker 3: for US Japanese because long being, Japan was pushed down
50:41
Speaker 3: to be weak.
50:42
Speaker 2: But because globalists.
50:44
Speaker 3: Want to use Japan to smash China, they're building up Japan.
50:49
Speaker 2: It sounds very.
50:52
Speaker 3: Dangerous thing but this long existing pressure is lifting up,
50:59
Speaker 3: so we somehow need to use this opportunity to be independent,
51:04
Speaker 3: not the other puppet form, but to be independent.
51:08
Speaker 1: Okay, Massako, thank you very much for your time today.
51:12
Speaker 1: That has been a very interesting conversation. I will let
51:15
Speaker 1: you know when it is available, but thank you for
51:17
Speaker 1: joining us.
51:18
Speaker 3: Thank you so much for your kindness and this opportunity,
51:23
Speaker 3: and for your tolerance for my English