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The Count of Monte Cristo Episode 3 (PBS) · Girls Gone Hallmark | Hallmark Movie Reviews

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to Girls Gone Hallmark, a Hallmark review podcast, and
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  Speaker 1: we're in PBS Masterpiece mode for the next couple of days.
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  Speaker 1: I'm Megan and I'm a longtime Hallmark fan.
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  Speaker 2: I'm Wendy. I'm a former Hallmark hater.
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  Speaker 1: On today's episode, we are discussing the PBS Masterpiece series
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  Speaker 1: The Count of Monte Cristo, Episode three, which originally aired
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  Speaker 1: on PBS on Sunday, April fifth. It's currently available to
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  Speaker 3: Hey, we would love your feedback on this episode or
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  Speaker 3: anything we're reviewing. Your thoughts on The Count of Monty
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  Speaker 3: Christo itself. Email us hello at Girls Gone Hallmark dot com. Megan,
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  Speaker 3: I just have a thought, Yeah, if we ever move
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  Speaker 3: away from Hallmark or add way more additional content outside
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  Speaker 3: of Hallmark, would we change the opening to Just like,
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  Speaker 3: I'm Wendy and I'm a former hater In general, which
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  Speaker 3: is kind of true.
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  Speaker 1: That's actually true, though.
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  Speaker 2: Don't you think you're the.
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  Speaker 1: More like optimistic, sunny disposition of the two of us?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah?
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  Speaker 3: I do, but but also because you're the realist, right,
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  Speaker 3: But I mean I generally do like not like things.
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  Speaker 2: Do we need to change our intro? No?
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  Speaker 3: No, I mean I think it's who we are, you know,
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  Speaker 3: I mean just looking down the road if there is ever,
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  Speaker 3: you know, a pivot in our future where there's been
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  Speaker 3: many pivots in the past. So you know, I'm just
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  Speaker 3: I don't know, I hate I hate this persona like
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  Speaker 3: I come off as a hater because we have talked
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  Speaker 3: about how I hate Christmas and I hate kids, which
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  Speaker 3: is not true, but like I do kind of have
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  Speaker 3: like this reservation to most things.
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  Speaker 1: Well, you know, it's our podcast and we can do
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  Speaker 1: whatever we want.
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  Speaker 3: Right, This is right, This is right, And I gotta
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  Speaker 3: tell you, I mean I did think I was going
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  Speaker 3: to go into the Count of Monte Cristo with a
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  Speaker 3: real like, not so great attitude. This show has me
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  Speaker 3: in a choke hold, I know.
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  Speaker 2: That's right.
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  Speaker 1: A couple quick notes about this episode. Joining the cast,
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  Speaker 1: we have Michelle Riandino.
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  Speaker 2: He plays Jacopo.
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  Speaker 1: Michelle is an Italian actor and director with forty six
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  Speaker 1: acting credits, mostly foreign projects, including an Italian Netflix series
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  Speaker 1: called Fidelity.
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  Speaker 3: Here's what a dummy I am. I'm like, oh, they
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  Speaker 3: have Netflix in other countries, guys. I would consider myself smart,
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  Speaker 3: but sometimes I'm a real freaking bonehead.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, haven't you ever been served a Netflix show
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  Speaker 1: and you open it.
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  Speaker 2: Up and yes, I have?
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  Speaker 1: You're right, it's like completely in German.
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  Speaker 2: Yes I have. God, I'm such a dummy. I'm such
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  Speaker 2: a dummy. You're not.
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  Speaker 1: I should be stuck in our own little world. Sometimes
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  Speaker 1: that is true, that is true. We also have the
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  Speaker 1: actor of Nicholas Farrel playing Morale. He was in episode
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  Speaker 1: one as well. He has one hundred and sixty five
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  Speaker 1: acting credits and he has appeared in projects like Hamlet
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  Speaker 1: and The Iron Lady. Why don't we take a quick
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  Speaker 1: little break and come right back with our first impressions
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  Speaker 1: of this episode? Hey, Wendy, what was your first impression
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  Speaker 1: of episode three of The Count of Monte Cristo New Money?
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  Speaker 2: Who dis.
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  Speaker 3: Sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, but I'm actually really here
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  Speaker 3: for it. I'm so into the revenge part of it,
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  Speaker 3: Like it feels so juicy to me.
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  Speaker 2: I yeah, love it. This episode was really fun.
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  Speaker 1: My first episode is Edmondante's has been out of prison
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  Speaker 1: for what feels like forty five minutes and he has
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  Speaker 1: stolen closed, found treasure, assumed a fake identity, hired us
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  Speaker 1: by and saved a man's life while I'm over here struggling.
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  Speaker 2: To respond to a text message.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, did we not talk about this in the last episode.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, he came out of prison with a plan. That
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  Speaker 2: escaped with a plan.
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  Speaker 1: How I towing in?
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  Speaker 3: So he was thinking about he did feel refreshed on
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  Speaker 3: his prison vacation.
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  Speaker 1: He was ready to go. It was making that mental
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  Speaker 1: to do list on.
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  Speaker 2: His flhe yep, yep, yeah, totally.
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  Speaker 3: He was on his laptop going on, I wish I
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  Speaker 3: could get away from these people so I can.
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  Speaker 2: Go in and we'd ruin some lives.
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  Speaker 1: It's time to be productive after fifteen years in a
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  Speaker 1: dungeon scraping.
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  Speaker 2: My way through a cement walll.
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  Speaker 3: Stone, I guess, because I don't know if cement even
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  Speaker 3: like No, it was Stone, Yes, yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Definitely wasn't like a cement machine pulling up to the island.
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  Speaker 1: Are you picturing when I'm picturing the rolling?
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  Speaker 2: Yes? I am, Yes, I am. What did you like
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  Speaker 2: about this episode?
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  Speaker 3: Like I said in the opening, I love that we
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  Speaker 3: get like the revenge turns on, like we are in it,
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  Speaker 3: like we are we're doing this now.
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  Speaker 2: I loved it. I loved it so much. I love that.
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  Speaker 3: It's I mean, obviously we don't know the plan other
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  Speaker 3: than like he's out to get some people. But it
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  Speaker 3: was kind of interesting because, like he gets back, he
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  Speaker 3: realizes his father's dead, He realizes or is told that
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  Speaker 3: Mercedes is off in Paris married to someone else, Like
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  Speaker 3: his entire life is gone.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know what he expected. Did he expect to
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  Speaker 2: come back and.
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  Speaker 3: Find Mercedes like burning the midnight oil for him? That's
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  Speaker 3: not the right term, but.
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  Speaker 1: You know, yeah, she kept a light on for him, right,
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  Speaker 1: That's that's what I was looking for.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, like he was.
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  Speaker 3: She was waiting for him all these years, Like, I mean,
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  Speaker 3: come on, like, well, but I guess he didn't realize
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  Speaker 3: that they thought he was dead. So you know, just
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  Speaker 3: a lot of like realization that happens for him all
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  Speaker 3: at once.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, for him, of course.
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  Speaker 1: But it's it's such a great question because they show
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  Speaker 1: him yearning and having memories of her throughout his time
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  Speaker 1: in prison, and and he he remembers her as she was,
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  Speaker 1: and for him, he doesn't know what has changed, and
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  Speaker 1: nothing has changed for him all he's he's been in prison,
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  Speaker 1: so he can't imagine a world in which she's not
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  Speaker 1: still in it apparently, and again, this is not twenty
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  Speaker 1: twenty six prison, where you know there's electronic communication or
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  Speaker 1: even the postal system, so it doesn't have any of
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  Speaker 1: this information, right right.
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  Speaker 2: I also say, like with the revenge stuff.
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  Speaker 4: I I do find it morally questionable on my part
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  Speaker 4: that I find it so entertaining, But I also think
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  Speaker 4: there's like.
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  Speaker 3: A little seed inside of me that operates from a
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  Speaker 3: place of revenge, which I don't feel great about admitting.
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  Speaker 3: But I'm human and flawed, so I think I find
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  Speaker 3: it very entertaining to see him move forward with all this,
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  Speaker 3: all these plans.
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  Speaker 2: It's absolutely entertaining.
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  Speaker 1: But also I think for me there's a part of
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  Speaker 1: it that feels like, no, that is due to them.
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  Speaker 1: They behaved badly, they should be punished. Now I have
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  Speaker 1: absolutely no idea the ways in which he is going
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  Speaker 1: to punish these people, and that I really can't wait
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  Speaker 1: to see what.
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  Speaker 2: It's going to be.
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  Speaker 1: Because at the end of the episode, Yakapo's like, why
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  Speaker 1: don't I just kill him?
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  Speaker 2: And He's like, no, no, no, no, no.
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  Speaker 1: They need to pay in the ways in which I suffered.
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  Speaker 1: That's worse, I know, I know, but I'm like man.
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  Speaker 1: There is a little part of me that's like, he's
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  Speaker 1: kind of Dexter's the wrong analogy, but like doing bad
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  Speaker 1: for the sake of good, yes, punishing bad people.
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, I'm kind of okay with it now.
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  Speaker 1: I may change my tune when I see what he's
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  Speaker 1: got planned. You got that seed in you two, don't
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  Speaker 1: tell me otherwise. I just want to see the bad
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  Speaker 1: people suffer me too. But here's what I what I
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  Speaker 1: love is the people that are on his side. I
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  Speaker 1: think what is leaning me towards, like I'm team Dantes
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  Speaker 1: here team count is he's good to the people who
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  Speaker 1: are good to him. He saves Yakapoe's life and you're
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  Speaker 1: not really sure where that's going, and you can see
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  Speaker 1: them sailing away, and he's real torn. He's like, I
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  Speaker 1: got to get to this island, but the man's got
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  Speaker 1: a gun, so I have to take him home. He
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  Speaker 1: steals the boat, but then he makes good on that,
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  Speaker 1: like he more then makes up for the fact that
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  Speaker 1: he steals their little boat, right, like, sends them all
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  Speaker 1: money and to buy the boat, and money for a home,
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  Speaker 1: and money just money to travel with. And then when
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  Speaker 1: he's first escaped, he breaks into that farmhouse and he
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  Speaker 1: steals some clothes and a pair of scissors, it seems like,
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  Speaker 1: and he sends Yakapo back with a giant pile of
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  Speaker 1: money to make.
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  Speaker 2: Up for that.
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  Speaker 1: He's more than compensating these people for what he may
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  Speaker 1: have taken from them. Right, So I'm like, I like him,
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  Speaker 1: Like he's putting good into the world world. I know
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  Speaker 1: he's going to do bad right now. I'm like, he's trying.
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  Speaker 3: To be an example. Okay, So I have so many questions.
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  Speaker 3: This is so interesting. I think Edmund is a product
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  Speaker 3: of circumstance. Right, we meet him.
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  Speaker 2: He's like this.
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  Speaker 3: I think he's like supposed to be nineteen. He's very young,
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  Speaker 3: right yeah, And he's a good guy, and so we're
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  Speaker 3: rooting for him because we know he's a good, innocent man.
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  Speaker 3: He only turns bad because of the way he's wronged, right, yes,
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  Speaker 3: And so we're grappling with like we know, at his
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  Speaker 3: core he's a good man and he's only in acting
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  Speaker 3: revenge on people because of what has been done to him.
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  Speaker 2: So it's all justified.
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  Speaker 3: But is there a bigger conversation here about people being born?
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  Speaker 2: Kind of?
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  Speaker 3: Are we born innocent? Are we born evil, Like, is
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  Speaker 3: there something bad in everybody, but we are taught to
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  Speaker 3: be morally good?
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  Speaker 2: Do you see what I'm throwing down here? Or is
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  Speaker 2: this ide?
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  Speaker 1: Doog?
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  Speaker 5: No?
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  Speaker 1: I do see what you're throwing down. I think it's
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  Speaker 1: a hard question to answer, because up until circumstances were
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  Speaker 1: what they were, we had no reason to believe Edmund
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  Speaker 1: was anything but a net good in the world.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 1: He was good to his father, he was loving to Mercedes,
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  Speaker 1: he was a hard worker. He had all of these
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  Speaker 1: things going for him. And even when he is first
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  Speaker 1: arrested and taken in and questioned by Villefort, he's answering
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  Speaker 1: very honestly. It's clear that he's a good person and
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  Speaker 1: he just doesn't understand what's happening to him. So it's
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  Speaker 1: impossible to separate what has happened to him and wonder
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  Speaker 1: who he would.
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  Speaker 2: Have been otherwise. Correct, I find it super compelling. I
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  Speaker 2: do too.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, So I guess to your point, like he had
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  Speaker 1: that goodness in him, and perhaps he can't help but
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  Speaker 1: act on that in the circumstances in which it's warranted. Right,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know, Like, I love seeing the good side
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  Speaker 1: of it. And even when he goes to Cadarousse at
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  Speaker 1: the inn. Yes, it's one of my favorite scenes. First
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  Speaker 1: of all, it's the only funny scene, like when when
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  Speaker 1: he gives Caterous the money and his voice cracks like
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  Speaker 1: he's shocked by it.
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  Speaker 2: Real funny.
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  Speaker 1: That was one of those scenes where he kind of
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  Speaker 1: had Cadarousse by the balls, so to speak, like when
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  Speaker 1: he Carous is like, I didn't I didn't do this,
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  Speaker 1: and he's like, yeah, but you knew about it.
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  Speaker 2: And didn't do anything about it.
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  Speaker 1: And yeah, Cadarousse again behaved in his own self interest
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  Speaker 1: because he was afraid what would happen to him if
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  Speaker 1: he had tried to stop them, or if he had
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  Speaker 1: gone to the authorities, or if he had told people.
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  Speaker 2: What was going on.
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  Speaker 1: And so Catters doesn't really have a choice, Like he's
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  Speaker 1: standing there with a gun to his head for all
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  Speaker 1: intents and purposes. He does not have to go above
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  Speaker 1: and beyond and give him all of that money to
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  Speaker 1: get him to do his bidding. Yeah, well, and now
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  Speaker 1: it makes me wonder like it goes back to again
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  Speaker 1: to moral character when we talk about Cadarousse, because, like
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  Speaker 1: you said, Caterousse didn't want to put himself out on
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  Speaker 1: the line because he was worried what would happen to him.
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  Speaker 1: So in that moment he decides, well, okay, I'm gonna
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  Speaker 1: Unfortunately that sucks what happened to Edmund, but I'm good,
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  Speaker 1: right who throws the letter in the fire? Catarousse did,
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  Speaker 1: and then Morel goes and gets it out.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, because it wasn't act not Morel danglars Yeah, uh yeah,
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  Speaker 3: yeah yeah. So I mean Cadarousse did does try to
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  Speaker 3: stop what's in motion, but he he knew what happened.
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  Speaker 3: He knows what happens to Edmund, and like he could
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  Speaker 3: have told somebody, but he did not correct. So it
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  Speaker 3: I mean, it just goes back to these are deeper
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  Speaker 3: questions that I think about, like would I say something
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  Speaker 3: to potentially put myself, you know, in the line of
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  Speaker 3: fire to save somebody else or to stand up for
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  Speaker 3: somebody else like I would hope I would, But would
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  Speaker 3: I if I feared, you know, retribution, and it's my
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  Speaker 3: own life.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know. I'm not sure that I would have either.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, this is kind of a lawless place a
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  Speaker 1: little bit in the sense that you can't even trust
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  Speaker 1: the people who are in charge of upholding the law
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  Speaker 1: right and so to me, would I have gone farther
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  Speaker 1: than Caderous did? Like you said, I don't know that
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  Speaker 1: I would have either.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, he stood.
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  Speaker 1: Up to these men and then when they go above him,
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  Speaker 1: that's where it ends. But yeah, clearly did fear for
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  Speaker 1: his own.
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  Speaker 2: Life, right.
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  Speaker 3: I have a lot of other likes that we saw.
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  Speaker 3: We might have to just like rewind. Yeah, for sure,
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  Speaker 3: things we've already talked about. But Edmund's confession to the priest.
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  Speaker 3: I thought this was really interesting because he frames it
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  Speaker 3: as justice and not revenge. So I feel like there
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  Speaker 3: is a line that he's clinging onto that he sees
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  Speaker 3: himself as a good man, like he's not he's not
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  Speaker 3: a bad dude, Like that's.
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  Speaker 2: How he sees himself. I thought it was.
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  Speaker 3: Really interesting when he goes on to say because the
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  Speaker 3: priest tells him, like, you know, God is the ultimate judge, right, essentially,
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  Speaker 3: I don't remember the exact line. Edmund responds, he said,
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  Speaker 3: if God won't do it, I will, And I was like, yikes,
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  Speaker 3: like what are we getting ourselves into? Like is he
• 16:26
  Speaker 3: going to kill these people? And you said earlier that
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  Speaker 3: he he had mentioned like they need, like his revenge
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  Speaker 3: needs to be like as equally as bad and maybe
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  Speaker 3: death is the easy way out. So I don't know
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  Speaker 3: what he's going to do exactly, just makes me excited
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  Speaker 3: to watch. Also, to me, what I thought was interesting
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  Speaker 3: if I think of Edmund from episode one even episode.
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  Speaker 2: Two, like we've gone through this whole.
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  Speaker 3: Identity shift with him, right, good guy in episode one,
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  Speaker 3: hopeless but hopeful in episode two, and now we are
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  Speaker 3: really moving into like a completely different character of Edmund.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah this is the baddie and yeah, yeah, he has
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  Speaker 3: gone from good guy too like scary guy to me.
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  Speaker 3: But I'm holding on too, like this nugget of like
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  Speaker 3: he like you said, like he's doing bad for good.
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  Speaker 3: So that's what I'm holding on too.
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  Speaker 1: I think there's part of me that wants to believe
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  Speaker 1: that because I don't see myself as a person who's
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  Speaker 1: typically like into the bad boy of it all, but
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  Speaker 1: he certainly is. Oh just wait, he's certainly leaning bad boy.
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  Speaker 1: And when he's like call me the Count of Monte Cristo.
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, all right, I've.
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: I love the introduction of Jacopo, But also.
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  Speaker 3: I'm questioning Edmund's decision here because the dude he just
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  Speaker 3: met this guy, right, Like.
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  Speaker 2: He is a criminal.
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  Speaker 3: He is a criminal, Like, why are you trusting this guy?
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  Speaker 3: Like I'm like, my heck up, I'm like.
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  Speaker 2: Ah, don't try.
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  Speaker 3: Just because you've been wrongly accused, you shouldn't assume that
• 18:07
  Speaker 3: other criminals are also wrongly accused. Yeah, yeah, And he's
• 18:13
  Speaker 3: putting too much trust in this guy.
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: Well, I think he's putting too much trust in everybody.
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: Like he puts a lot of trust in Cadarousse to
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: carry out his plans.
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: Uh huh.
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: And once Cadarousse is gone, Look again, this is the
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: nineteenth century we're dealing with.
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: He doesn't have quick access to him.
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: Like, if Cadarousse decides to take that money and run,
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: he may never see him again. Right, which, by the way,
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: I looked up five hundred francs equivalent to twenty twenty
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: six money. It's like, yeah, eighty five to one hundred
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: thousand American dollars. Oh wow, he gave him a chunk
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: of change. Wow, yeah wow.
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: But back to Yakapo.
• 18:53
  Speaker 3: The Yakapo character for me feels a little unhinged, Like
• 18:58
  Speaker 3: I'm worried, right, I'm worried that he's not trustworthy, except
• 19:04
  Speaker 3: when we get that scene at the end when he
• 19:06
  Speaker 3: makes amends to the people he stole from, when he
• 19:08
  Speaker 3: gives them back money.
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: I was like, okay, okay, okay, he's a good.
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: Guy because he could have just taken that money for himself,
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: like he had no reason to take it back to
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: that farmhouse that or he didn't have to go and
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: apologize for what he had done. Yeah, but I mean
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: you're talking about Yakapo's a good guy or Edmund is
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: a good guy. Yakamo. Yakapo's not the guy who stole
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: from them.
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: Yes he is.
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: No, he's not he Edmund stole from them. That's the
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: farmhouse that Edmund went to immediately after escaping and stole
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: clothes from them. Oh, and then he Yakapo is the
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: messenger there.
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: Interesting.
• 19:48
  Speaker 3: Okay, well this explains a lot then and you will
• 19:51
  Speaker 3: hear it in my wishes.
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: Okay, that explains a lot.
• 19:54
  Speaker 3: I thought Yakapo had stolen from that family and he
• 19:58
  Speaker 3: was making amends, and then the I was like, oh,
• 20:01
  Speaker 3: he is a good guy. He has a good heart,
• 20:04
  Speaker 3: he's not a terrible criminal. And then that makes him trustworthy.
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, do you see?
• 20:10
  Speaker 3: Uh?
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: I hear what you're saying, see, And that scene was
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: one of the ones that led me to believe that
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: Dantees is a net good because he is trying to
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: operate in the world. He's only trying to bring harm
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: among people who have harmed him, right, and trying to
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: make up for the harms that he got it.
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: Okay, all right, well now I'm back on like e
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: I don't know if we should trust Yakapo.
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: Well, I hear you, and I don't know if we
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: should trust Yakapo either. But the way Yakapo starts to
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: behave once he's in Edmund's service, he certainly behaves in
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: a way that I do trust him.
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: Like his behavior, I'm leaning towards trusting him.
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: He's not he seems to be on Edmund's side, And
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: there's part of me that really likes this like team
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: building up it all like he's going to bring all
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: of these people over and this is going to be
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: like he has these friends.
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: The way I.
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: Felt so good when he met Abby, who also potentially
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: had done some wrong to land himself in prison, I
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: don't know.
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: I just am like, oh, let's let's.
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: Build this team of Avengers.
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: I gotta tell you that I just googled does yakapo
• 21:20
  Speaker 3: ever double cross?
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: No, don't tell me the answer. I won't tell you that.
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: I won't tell you the answer.
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: But I can't I have to spoil it for myself
• 21:29
  Speaker 3: because I'm like, I can't.
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: Don't worry, I googled before after episode one, do Mercedes
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: and Edmund end up together?
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: So?
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: Oh, don't tell me that either, I won't. So can
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: I tell you.
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: Some some moments that I liked in this episode?
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: Sure?
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: I like the first time he sees himself in a mirror,
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: likely the first time and obviously the first time in
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: fifteen years. It's the silent moment shocking. I liked that
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: kind of reminds us of what we're dealing with you. Similarly,
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: when he discovers his own grave, like this wave of
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: crashing realizations he has so at the beginning of this episode,
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: seeing himself learning that his father has passed, learning that
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: he was presumed dead, and not just dead, but dead
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: by his own hand, and then learning that Mercedes is married.
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: I have a question for you.
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: He seems shocked by who Mercedes is married to, baffled
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: even I thought it seemed so obvious that Fernand was
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: like so into Mercedes and so jealous of Edmund.
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: Maybe Edmund didn't realize it in that first episode.
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: He must not have. Yeah, I don't know. But Fernand
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: the way for Nan.
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: He's like, ough, hi, Edmund, right, you can go across,
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: and he dances with Mercedes.
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I was shocked by his shock.
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: Maybe he was shocked because he was like, what Mercedes.
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: He's never showed any interest in that dude.
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: Perhaps perhaps that's a good one.
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: Finally, a scene that I loved but was hard to
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: watch when we see Morel cocking the gun. Yeah, likely
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: to take his own life, just as Yakapo delivers the
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: purse to his daughter.
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: Paying off all of his debts.
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: And again this is another argument in the Edmund is
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: a good guy call him like he Morel was good
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: to him and the money that Morel gave him for
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: a wedding gift was the money that his father lived
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: on for years. And then Dantes saves him secretly. I
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: mean that the scene when the daughter walks in, I
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: was so afraid of what was going to happen. I
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: thought that was great at the time about all the shooting.
• 23:50
  Speaker 3: Of that great scene. I have two more likes. My
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: first one is when they're in Marseille again Marseille.
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: Yes right, yes, Wendy, I just take the question mark
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: off the end of it. I can't anyway.
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: It feels so risky because Edmund's walking around his old life, like, look,
• 24:12
  Speaker 3: I know he's been gone for a long time. And
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: then yes, people also think he's dead. But are you
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: just a little bit afraid that you're going to be
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: recognized just a little bit, yes, Like the man is
• 24:23
  Speaker 3: in restaurants, I know, going about his business.
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: I'm like, I passed his father's old home.
• 24:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm like, this is so risky. The other thing
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: that I really liked man the cinematography and this show
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: is so good. When Edmund's looking for the treasure and
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: he finally finds it and he's standing on like this
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: sweeping cliff side these beautiful shots, it is giving like
• 24:52
  Speaker 3: I'm the king of.
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: The world, you know a little bit. But I loved it.
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: It was beautiful.
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: Also, we're not doing digit see that, which is a
• 25:00
  Speaker 3: segment that we usually do in our Hallmark movies, but
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: there is one I have to point out when he
• 25:05
  Speaker 3: finds the treasure was it not giving Pirates of the Caribbean.
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: One thousand percent. Yes, like the ride at Disneyland one.
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: Thousand percent and the movie quite frankly, I was like
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: the Sun Shining Man, Yeah totally, and he like lifts
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: it up and there's just piles of gold. Yes, yes, yeah,
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: Well let's talk wishes.
• 25:28
  Speaker 3: Well here is my whole buffoonery question of it all.
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: I was, I'm like, how did Edmund get new clothes
• 25:37
  Speaker 3: and get cleaned up so quickly? Well, apparently he sold
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: it from that farm. Yeah, he didn't remember.
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: Did they just like did they brush over that?
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: Or he goes into the farm, takes clothes, looks out
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: the windows, like whose house did you think he was in?
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: I had no idea.
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no idea. Are you like looking out at them
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: working in the farm?
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: Oh see, I totally I totally missed it. I watched
• 26:01
  Speaker 3: this episode twice too.
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's not clear where he is, but he's
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: got to be stealing them from someone. I don't know,
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: he doesn't have a home.
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: I need that like montage scene, you know where he's
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: like you need a voiceover?
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: Oh, I mean you needed like a shower in a shave, Yeah,
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: and get ready to hey cutting his hair, Like, did
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: did they show him cutting his hair? No, they just
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: show him taking the scissors from the house. Oh okay,
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: all right.
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: And then my other only wish is and I touched
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: on it briefly, is that he is being too trusting
• 26:33
  Speaker 3: of people too quickly.
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: I agree, he's telling too many people what he's.
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: Doing for sure.
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, I'm technically telling him what he's.
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: He's definitely controlling a soon.
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: To me, it feels like he's assuming that the money
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: will be enough of a control.
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: And perhaps it is mmmm interesting where he's gonna be
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: seen as like a man with power because he has
• 26:56
  Speaker 3: all this wealth, and then therefore people will fall in
• 26:59
  Speaker 3: line with him.
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: Perhaps power is powerful.
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: Well, speaking of buffoonery, Look, he calls himself Sinbad, right,
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: he tells Yakawa. He's like, my name is Sinbad. Sinbad
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: is a from the legend of the Arabian Knights who
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: had a lot of treasure.
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: But I'm like, man, this is a I don't know
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: that he could read. He certainly wasn't educated, right, Like
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: Abby does a lot of educating of him in prison.
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: And I was like, is this like an oral tradition?
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: That he was told, like did they tell kids the
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: story of Sinbad the Sailor? Like I this is my
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: twenty twenty six brain. Can't wrap my head around the
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: way in which stories were passed down, Like how did
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: he certainly didn't have like the Book of the Arabian
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: Nights sitting on his nights, you know what I mean.
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: I'm just trying to understand how he came to have
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: that knowledge. The other thing is you talked about the treasure?
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: Where's he keeping it all? Good question?
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: When I saw him come upon all that treasure, I
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: was like, first of all, how's it going to get
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: it off that island? He's going to haul it all
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: down to his tiny little sailboat. Second of all, I
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: hope the novel has more to say because or maybe
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: people are like, it doesn't matter. Stop getting caught up
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: in things that do not matter.
• 28:18
  Speaker 3: Megan, Yeah, these are questions I stick with me though, too.
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: Sure I think you are valid in bringing them up.
• 28:27
  Speaker 3: I have some discussion questions. Are you ready, please?
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: If someone had.
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: Wronged you ten plus years ago, do you even remember
• 28:38
  Speaker 3: enough details to execute this level of revenge?
• 28:41
  Speaker 5: Uh?
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: Probably this sort of significant wronging, right?
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: I mean, they stole fifteen years of his life from him.
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he done.
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: He was not forge to eat maggots. The love of
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: his life moved on, his father died. Yeah, he was
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: falsely in prison. I mean, look, I remember girls that
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: are mean to me in high school. So yeah, I'm
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: just gonna be like, do you remember that person that
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: cut you off on the four or five freeway?
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: Probably not, but yeah, girls who wronged you in high school?
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah? But are you executing this level of revenge on them?
• 29:16
  Speaker 3: Oh?
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: I'm just thinking if I if I see them on Facebook,
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: I'm rolling my eyes and thinking she was not nice.
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: Except that's not the wording I'm using. Got it, got it?
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: If you found a treasure, any treasure, but it's certainly
• 29:30
  Speaker 3: a treasure this big that he's found. Are you becoming
• 29:34
  Speaker 3: a better person or are you also launching a full revenge?
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: You know, I don't have the kind of events in
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: my life that would lead me to want to exact
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: revenge on people. I would like to think I would
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: become a better person, a better person who who lives
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: a slightly grander life, like I would want to do
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: good with it, and I would quite frankly, let's be honest,
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: anybody who's like I'd give it all the way you're lying,
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: You'd enjoy some of it. You would upburst, you would
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: upgrade your quality of life while also doing good with it.
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: I think so too. I think so too.
• 30:05
  Speaker 3: But now I'm really stuck in the muck about like
• 30:08
  Speaker 3: him pulling this big treasure chress behind him through the
• 30:11
  Speaker 3: streets of Marseilles so he can uh.
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: I needed to see him climbing down those rocks with
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: all that treasure.
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: I have taken days. Why did he do that? I
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: know exactly exactly.
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: Okay, my final question is if you're in the mindset
• 30:25
  Speaker 3: of Edmund, do you do you think he actually believes
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: this is about justice? Or is that what he's telling
• 30:33
  Speaker 3: himself so he can live with his decisions.
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: Well, I don't think he thinks like I'm Batman and
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: I'm bringing these people to justice. I think he thinks
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: they hurt me and I am going to hurt them.
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: I think justice. I mean, does he use He.
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: Might use that word, but I think his point is
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: they deserve to suffer, and not they deserve to suffer
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: in the eyes of the law, but they deserve to
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: suffer in a way that I feel measures up to
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: the way that they forced me to suffer.
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Do you think that's like a human instinct?
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: I don't, do you Well, I already admitted that I
• 31:11
  Speaker 3: have like a small seed of revenge that lives inside
• 31:13
  Speaker 3: of me. But I don't see if myself ever like
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: plotting a full scale, no tortuous revenge plot on people
• 31:22
  Speaker 3: who wronged me. So I think maybe it could be.
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: When I think about something like this happening, like if
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: I were Edmund, to me, the greater good would be like, oh, look,
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: I think I'm less interested in the revenge piece of it,
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: and oh and like, oh I have treasure, and now
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: my life's going to be amazing.
• 31:43
  Speaker 3: Yes, but amazing with people who.
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: Don't exist anymore in your life. Yeah.
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: But the thing is, for me, the revenge doesn't get
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: them back.
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: But we don't know. Maybe the revenge does get them back.
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: Maybe right, Maybe it's the revenge that gets them back.
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: Though the revenge punishes the people who put you there.
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: But ultimately, is he trying to get Mercedes back?
• 32:07
  Speaker 3: And I don't know if that's what happens in this story,
• 32:10
  Speaker 3: like do they end up back together or not? So
• 32:13
  Speaker 3: is the revenge a vehicle to get Mercedes back.
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: It doesn't feel like that to me.
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, to me in a story like this, I mean,
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: I'm very interested in the revenge piece of it, but
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: I am so much more drawn to the happy ending
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: of it all, are you?
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: I am. I'm really more interested in Like in any book,
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: I'm like, show me them on the other side of this,
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: show me the ways in which and when I read
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: a book that doesn't have a happy ending, which of
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: course is a lot of books, I'm so frustrated sometimes
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: by the reality of it, and I'm like, no, show
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: me the ways in which this all worked out for
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: the better and everyone got what they needed.
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: I'm worried you might be disappointed with the end of this. Oh,
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: I know this is not a romance.
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: I read romance novels, romance novels or Guaranteed Happily ever after,
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: I'm aware that this is not a romance novel. I
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: do think there's going to be some satisfaction in the storytelling, though.
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: You don't set out to tell a revenge story and
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: not exact some revenge. Yeah, yeah, he is the hero.
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: In our story. Yeah, got it.
• 33:18
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