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Between The Pipes: Adrian Denny on the Utah Mammoth's 3-1 start, McBain fighting everybody, Schmaltz NHL's leading goal scorer + more · The Sean O'Connell Show

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  Speaker 1: And the summer rainbows sneaking into outside lands.
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  Speaker 2: You're listening to The Sean O'Connell Show from the Murdoch
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  Speaker 2: Hyundai Studio of ESPN 700 and 92.1 FM.
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  Speaker 1: What would they want with me? One o'clock on a Wednesday.
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  Speaker 2: That means it's time to go between the pipes with
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  Speaker 2: Adrian Denny, our Utah Mammoth insider. Valley Plumbing, Heating, and Cooling.
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  Speaker 2: Aladdin Industries make this conversation possible. What a game last
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  Speaker 2: night for the Utah Mammoth on the road in New Jersey.
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  Speaker 2: 5-3 victory. Had a little bit of everything in it.
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  Speaker 2: Lawson Kraus gets on the board. Clayton Keller, Nick Schmaltz,
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  Speaker 2: Vincent Trocek, Mackenzie Wieger netting the goals for the Utah.
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  Speaker 1: I almost said the university of Utah for the Utah mammoth.
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  Speaker 1: Lots to talk about from this one.
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  Speaker 2: And from the start of the season where the mammoth
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  Speaker 2: are three and one, two and one on the road
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  Speaker 2: so far, Adrian, daddy, welcome.
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  Speaker 1: How are you? Hey, OC.
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  Speaker 3: Thanks for having me in all great stuff to talk about.
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  Speaker 3: Don't have one thing to nitpick. Honestly, I don't have
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  Speaker 3: one thing. It's all great with the mammoth right now.
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  Speaker 3: So it's, it's been fun and goals are going in
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  Speaker 3: and the power plays are Looking like a thing of art.
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  Speaker 3: You mentioned a little bit of everything. Jack McBain dropping
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  Speaker 3: the gloves again. They've already fought three times as a team.
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  Speaker 3: Laying down the second most hits in the NHL. Team
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  Speaker 3: that lays down the most hits, Boston. Going to play
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  Speaker 3: them tomorrow as the trip continues. So they're in a
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  Speaker 3: good spot on this road trip. You split in Boston
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  Speaker 3: and Buffalo. You come home four and two and after
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  Speaker 3: starting the year with five of your first six on
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  Speaker 3: the road, that'd be a pretty good thing.
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  Speaker 2: Really, really cool to watch last night, especially that Jack
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  Speaker 2: McBain situation you're talking about. One of the more emphatic
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  Speaker 2: finishes to a hockey fight so far in the young season,
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  Speaker 2: dominant performance by McBain and dropping the gloves. And we
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  Speaker 2: were speculating on this a little bit earlier. Like when
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  Speaker 2: you have that physical presence and it's something that bear
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  Speaker 2: tourney and bill Armstrong have talked about, trying to make
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  Speaker 2: that physicality more a part of the team identity. They're
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  Speaker 2: not talking about fighting, but what they're talking about is
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  Speaker 2: a sort of identity that pervades through the roster. And
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  Speaker 2: when you have somebody who then manifests it and represents
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  Speaker 2: that in the most extreme manner and does so effectively,
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  Speaker 2: it's a nice little reminder for all of us that
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  Speaker 2: this team with some increased size might actually be that
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  Speaker 2: sooner than later.
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  Speaker 3: It's a well-rounded group, right? You've got your top six forwards,
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  Speaker 3: your Gunthers, your Cooleys, your Schmaltzes, your Kellers, Trojaks, Lees.
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  Speaker 1: Piling up points.
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  Speaker 3: But then you've got a shutdown line with a guy
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  Speaker 3: like Jack McBain, Lawson Kraus, and Barrett Hayton. You can
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  Speaker 3: put out there to do exactly that. They're one of
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  Speaker 3: a handful of forward lines in the NHL right now
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  Speaker 3: through the first week. hasn't allowed a goal at five
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  Speaker 3: on five. And you know, Lawson Krause is good for
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  Speaker 3: 20 goals a season, four times in the last five years.
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  Speaker 3: Hayden's usually teetering around that number. McBain's been in double
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  Speaker 3: figures two of the last three years. So they'll be
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  Speaker 3: able to pop some big goals into just by kind
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  Speaker 3: of crashing and bruising and banging and When they don't score,
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  Speaker 3: they're not going to give up anything when they're on
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  Speaker 3: the ice. And a lot of the times they'll create
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  Speaker 3: momentum with a good offensive shift that establishes puck possession.
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  Speaker 3: Then you can roll out your stars and they can
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  Speaker 3: take advantage of it.
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  Speaker 1: First goal of.
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  Speaker 2: The game was like two minutes in on the power play.
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  Speaker 2: And a nifty pass from Sergeyev, who's right up there
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  Speaker 2: at the top of the zone. Looks like, you know,
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  Speaker 2: kind of fakes a shot, gets the puck back to Keller,
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  Speaker 2: and Keller puts it in the back of the net.
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  Speaker 2: And look, you're not going to have a power play
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  Speaker 2: opportunity two minutes into most games. But the fact that
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  Speaker 2: there's no, like, waiting, there's no grace period, there's no run-up,
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  Speaker 2: that as soon as the advantage comes for this Utah
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  Speaker 2: Mammoth team, they take advantage of it, I think is
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  Speaker 2: a testament to the work they put in on special teams.
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  Speaker 3: And the first two minutes of a game, the first
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  Speaker 3: two minutes of a period, Power play percentages are terrible
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  Speaker 3: because you're just kind of coming out and you're getting settled.
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  Speaker 3: And for New Jersey, who just lost their last game
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  Speaker 3: 6-0 to the Islanders on Saturday night, the last thing
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  Speaker 3: that they wanted to do was take a penalty 10
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  Speaker 3: seconds into the game when Timo Meier high-sticked Jack McBain
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  Speaker 3: and the Mammoth, who entered the day at 6-9 on
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  Speaker 3: the power play, went to work and made it seven
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  Speaker 3: for ten but the best thing about the power play
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  Speaker 3: right now see is the ability to sustain last year
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  Speaker 3: when the power play was struggling if they didn't win
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  Speaker 3: the opening face off on the power play they were
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  Speaker 3: pretty much done they they couldn't get set up they
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  Speaker 3: couldn't get reestablished and they started this year off you
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  Speaker 3: know really good winning face offs but it's not how
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  Speaker 3: they've they've scored all their power play goals. They've been
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  Speaker 3: able when the opposing team gets a clear to come
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  Speaker 3: back down and, and get reestablished. Whereas, you know, last
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  Speaker 3: year we're, we're looking at the first half of the year,
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  Speaker 3: second worst power play in the NHL. Probably the, the
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  Speaker 3: face off percentage was the biggest thing that cost them
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  Speaker 3: to the point that head coach Andre attorney was bringing
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  Speaker 3: Kevin Stenland out. Who's a fourth line centerman to just
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  Speaker 3: try and win you a face off to get your
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  Speaker 3: five on four started on the right foot.
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  Speaker 2: Uh, New Jersey made a late push, and you had
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  Speaker 2: the insurance goal. Trochek gets on the board, and a
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  Speaker 2: newcomer like him integrating so quickly, I guess we shouldn't
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  Speaker 2: be surprised because he's an elite player, and that's why
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  Speaker 2: this Mammoth team brought him in. But again, I guess
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  Speaker 2: I'm just expressing the fact that I'm impressed with the
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  Speaker 2: fact that it doesn't take a lot of time for
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  Speaker 2: things to start firing on all cylinders it doesn't seem
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  Speaker 2: for this team, at least not this year.
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  Speaker 1: It hasn't.
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  Speaker 3: And would you put Trocek out there with Schmaltz and Keller?
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  Speaker 3: I'd say give them five or ten games to get
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  Speaker 3: settled because Schmaltz and Keller have been playing together for years,
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  Speaker 3: and they're just kind of two different guys to play with.
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  Speaker 3: So you think, okay, give them a little bit of
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  Speaker 3: time to get settled. And yesterday Clayton Keller's talking about
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  Speaker 3: that line. He's like, yeah, just give us some more time.
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  Speaker 3: And we're like, it looks pretty good to us. And that,
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  Speaker 3: that insurance goal that, that Trocek scored was in a
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  Speaker 3: one goal game, but it all came because Clayton Keller
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  Speaker 3: comes up from behind, picks a guy's pocket when he's
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  Speaker 3: trying to skate it out of the Utah offensive end.
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  Speaker 3: And then Schmaltz streaks in, scoops it up. And then
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  Speaker 3: all of a sudden the mammoth are off and running.
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  Speaker 3: So as, as many points as Schmaltz and Keller put
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  Speaker 3: up defensively, they are elite. Nick Schmaltz was in the
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  Speaker 3: top 10 of the NHL and, takeaways and strips last year, but,
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  Speaker 3: but he's just tenacious. And for him to be starting
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  Speaker 3: off this eight year contract and having taken his game
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  Speaker 3: to another level after a career year last year, where
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  Speaker 3: he got 33, it's just really, really impressive when, when
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  Speaker 3: the team around him has gotten better and he's able
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  Speaker 3: to take his game and elevate it to, to an
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  Speaker 3: even more elite level, both defensively, but, but putting the
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  Speaker 3: puck in the net, you remember a During the inaugural season,
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  Speaker 3: he didn't get his first goal until after Thanksgiving. It
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  Speaker 3: was an ongoing saga. We're like, this guy scores 20-plus
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  Speaker 3: goals every year. It just didn't come for him. You
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  Speaker 3: see what happens when he gets hot. Nick Schmaltz is
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  Speaker 3: a guy that when he gets on a streak, it's
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  Speaker 3: good for Utah.
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  Speaker 1: He is currently the goals leader in the NHL.
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  Speaker 2: We're just going to assume that that continues all the
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  Speaker 2: way through 82 games, right?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's always funny.
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  Speaker 3: The first first couple of weeks of the season, the,
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  Speaker 3: the guys you see leading the, the NHL and goals, um,
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  Speaker 3: Paul Cotter, who is with Vancouver, uh, who's a guy
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  Speaker 3: that's teetered from the minor leagues to the NHL for
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  Speaker 3: the last couple of years is, is up there too.
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  Speaker 3: But Schmaltz is, I mean, it's legit 30, 33 goals
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  Speaker 3: last year, a career high about 10 above, you know, is,
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  Speaker 3: is career average. So You know, when the power play
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  Speaker 3: is going as it is, the power play for the
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  Speaker 3: Mammoth is often the best start through four games for
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  Speaker 3: any team in NHL history since the league started tracking
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  Speaker 3: power plays in 1977. So that's almost 50 years. Eight
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  Speaker 3: for 13, 61%. But Schmaltz is always out there on
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  Speaker 3: the power play, and it's a good spot for a
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  Speaker 3: goal scorer to be in. And, you know, you got
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  Speaker 3: that first power play unit, and Barrow will leave him
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  Speaker 3: out there forever. full two minutes. You got Anders Lee
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  Speaker 3: and Vinny Trocek and Barrett Hayton, Lawson Krause, Mike Carconi
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  Speaker 3: on your second one. He just leaves out Sergachev, Schmaltz, Keller, Cooley,
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  Speaker 3: and Gunther for the whole time. And they've been able
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  Speaker 3: to eventually score.
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  Speaker 2: We're Between the Pipes with Adrian Denny brought to you
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  Speaker 2: by Valley Plumbing, Heating, and Cooling and Aladdin Industries talking
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  Speaker 2: Utah Mammoth Hockey.
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  Speaker 1: I guess this is a negative, finally, to talk about.
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  Speaker 1: about for this team.
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  Speaker 2: Mikhail Sergeyev got boinked in the head with a puck
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  Speaker 2: friendly fire. I think it came off the stick of
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  Speaker 2: McKenzie Weger and just hit him in the back of
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  Speaker 2: the head.
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  Speaker 1: He did not return to the game, which is never great.
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  Speaker 1: Any updates? What do we know? no updates.
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  Speaker 3: Team's not practicing today in Boston. They'll have a full
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  Speaker 3: morning skate tomorrow ahead of the game against the Bruins.
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  Speaker 3: And that is typically when you'll get an injury update
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  Speaker 3: is right before the team hits the ice for morning
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  Speaker 3: skate right before their next game. Gosh, like it's unfortunate.
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  Speaker 3: He was playing a great game. He had three points
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  Speaker 3: and he's been, you know, the minutes leader for Utah
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  Speaker 3: each of the last two seasons. And in every situation,
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  Speaker 3: he was in the top six in minutes in 24, 25.
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  Speaker 3: And then as the mammoth got deeper last year, they
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  Speaker 3: didn't have to use him as much, but, but you know,
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  Speaker 3: whether he's playing 22 minutes or 28 minutes, it's still
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  Speaker 3: a big chunk of minutes out there. And he's a
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  Speaker 3: tide for third in the NHL and scoring right now
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  Speaker 3: with Keller and Schmaltz and Gunther with six points in
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  Speaker 3: four games.
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  Speaker 2: Who has surprised you most on the roster so far?
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  Speaker 2: Who's been the, the revelation.
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  Speaker 3: McKenzie Weger has come out and really done, you know, what,
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  Speaker 3: what the mammoth traded for like top five and block shots,
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  Speaker 3: top five and hits every year. And he's, he's out
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  Speaker 3: there last night blocks, six shots, laid down two hits
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  Speaker 3: Sunday in, um, New York against the Rangers. Just, he
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  Speaker 3: had eight shot attempts, um, six hits, five block shots,
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  Speaker 3: first player since 2018 to have, you know, numbers like
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  Speaker 3: that in terms of hits, block shots, shot attempts.
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  Speaker 1: He scored his first goal. Um, last night.
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  Speaker 3: So that's, that's what you get from him. He's, he's
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  Speaker 3: a bruiser with some skill and, you know, after the
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  Speaker 3: trade last year, he went from the slowest team in
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  Speaker 3: Calgary to the fastest team in Utah. And, you know,
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  Speaker 3: that being the hockey aspect of it and trying to
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  Speaker 3: get settled, trying to, you know, up, uproot your life and,
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  Speaker 3: and come in. So he, Expected to have this start,
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  Speaker 3: and the Mammoth are really happy that he has because
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  Speaker 3: he's on year four of an eight-year contract. He's here long-term,
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  Speaker 3: same contract that Sergeyev's on, but to have a big
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  Speaker 3: defenseman who just does all of those things and can
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  Speaker 3: play the heavy minutes we're talking about with Sergeyev, that'd
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  Speaker 3: be one. Daniil But, Dmitry Sibyshev have looked fantastic. pretty
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  Speaker 3: good too. And it's just what we talked about last week.
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  Speaker 3: It's just kind of the confidence. It's all they needed.
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  Speaker 3: It was just, they've, they've got, they've got everything. It's just,
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  Speaker 3: you know, the, the confidence to, to do it and
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  Speaker 3: not think.
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  Speaker 2: We're going to have the same conversation about the mammoth
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  Speaker 2: here that we're, we've had for several weeks about the Utes.
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  Speaker 2: Of course, an NHL season kind of progresses faster. You
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  Speaker 2: learn things faster because the activity, you get more games
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  Speaker 2: in a shorter span of time. Right now, they've looked
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  Speaker 2: really good. The Mammoth have looked really good against the Blackhawks,
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  Speaker 2: the Blue Jackets, and the Devils. They lost against the Rangers.
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  Speaker 2: There were some good things in that game, some things
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  Speaker 2: that obviously they would like to change, and we don't
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  Speaker 2: expect to see a constant problem. But based on the competition,
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  Speaker 2: you have to adjust expectations, and you have to say,
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  Speaker 2: all right, we don't know this yet because we've only
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  Speaker 2: seen it against these teams. And again, Two weeks from now,
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  Speaker 2: we probably don't have to have the conversation the same way,
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  Speaker 2: although there's always going to be an element of that.
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  Speaker 2: But in the very, very early goings, how quality are
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  Speaker 2: these wins against teams like the Blackhawks, who you shut
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  Speaker 2: out in the home opener, against the Devils, who have kind.
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  Speaker 1: Of the same expectations that you do? They want to
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  Speaker 1: be a playoff team. They want a playoff series.
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  Speaker 2: They're plus 3,000 to win the Stanley Cup, just like
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  Speaker 2: you are. When you're judging the competition and the performance
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  Speaker 2: against the competition, how do you net out?
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  Speaker 3: Chicago has not looked good. They're one in three. They
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  Speaker 3: won their first game last night. Columbus beat Buffalo, who
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  Speaker 3: is the Atlantic division champion from last year that came
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  Speaker 3: out of nowhere, six, three in their first game. They've
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  Speaker 3: played one other game. It was against Utah. They lost four,
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  Speaker 3: one mammoth controlled that, that whole thing. The Rangers look good, man.
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  Speaker 3: Like Igor Shisterkin healthy in goal. Like they, they can
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  Speaker 3: win every game when, when he's in, they beat the
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  Speaker 3: Islanders last night. They're four, one Utah, Utah, could have
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  Speaker 3: won that game on Sunday with all the imperfections. And
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  Speaker 3: we've been like, yeah, pretty good game. And then New Jersey,
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  Speaker 3: not sure what to really expect from them. I think
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  Speaker 3: the way that they've controlled New Jersey, Columbus, and Chicago
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  Speaker 3: has been a pretty good exclamation point for what they've
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  Speaker 3: come out and accomplished so far this year. Power play
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  Speaker 3: is going to come back down to earth, right? Eight
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  Speaker 3: for 13. That's, that's something we know. we'll come back down,
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  Speaker 3: teams make adjustments, teams focus, teams dial in, they'll figure
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  Speaker 3: stuff out, and then Utah has to adjust.
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  Speaker 2: Not to interrupt, but even coming back down to earth,
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  Speaker 2: but we expect, right? You want it to be better
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  Speaker 2: than it was. So what is the percentage, like a
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  Speaker 2: realistic target percentage that this team is preaching within the
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  Speaker 2: dressing room?
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  Speaker 3: I think they can have a 25% power play, which
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  Speaker 3: would be top eight in the NHL, top quarter of
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  Speaker 3: the league. um, there's, there's talent out there that, that
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  Speaker 3: can score. So they, they've re-signed assistant coach, Blaine Forsyth,
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  Speaker 3: who oversees the power play to a multi-year contract. The
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  Speaker 3: same day they did head coach Andre tourney and in
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  Speaker 3: June and power play was second best in the NHL
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  Speaker 3: from February 1st on last year. So they definitely saw some,
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  Speaker 3: some stuff that made them feel pretty good about the
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  Speaker 3: power play coming into this year. And, and just off
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  Speaker 3: to an amazing start. And so what were they two
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  Speaker 3: for four on the power play last night? I think
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  Speaker 3: that the middle one that they didn't score and might've
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  Speaker 3: been their best power play of the night.
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  Speaker 1: So, so that's looking good.
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  Speaker 3: That's going to come back down to earth, just percentages
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  Speaker 3: and teams adjust. And we saw it last year after
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  Speaker 3: you had that hot October, but the way that Utah
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  Speaker 3: is playing right now, with the physicality and, you know,
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  Speaker 3: the net front presence, they've scored almost 60% of their
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  Speaker 3: goals from right in front of the net this year.
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  Speaker 1: Last year it was 40%. That's a pretty big jump.
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  Speaker 3: So the, the identity that they're playing with right now
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  Speaker 3: is it's not something you can game plan against. You
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  Speaker 3: just have to go out and deal with it. So consistency,
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  Speaker 3: big thing, but When Utah won seven straight last year
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  Speaker 3: in October and they're running and gunning with Gunther, Paterka,
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  Speaker 3: and Cooley, teams are watching that. They're like, okay, how
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  Speaker 3: do we slow that down? And they do it. It's
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  Speaker 3: an ongoing chess match all season in the NHL.
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  Speaker 2: Once again, the Mammoth are mentioned in potential trade rumors
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  Speaker 2: with Simonson and these other players that are out there.
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  Speaker 2: Any sort of insight on any of that front?
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  Speaker 3: No, other than Bill's going to pick up the phone
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  Speaker 3: and call. If that's something that gets leaked that they called,
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  Speaker 3: he's going to call on everybody. It's his job to
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  Speaker 3: make the team better and go down every avenue. As
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  Speaker 3: I've said, when you've got cap space like Utah has,
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  Speaker 3: when you have the prospect system that Utah has, when
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  Speaker 3: you've got ownership who's come out and made a statement
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  Speaker 3: in every area that we want to win Stanley cups
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  Speaker 3: around here. Like you're going to be, you're going to
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  Speaker 3: be mentioned and Bill's Bill's tactful and he's aggressive. And
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  Speaker 3: he also knows when to say, okay, thanks. Have a
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  Speaker 3: nice day. If, uh, if, if it's not what he
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  Speaker 3: wants to part ways.
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: With ESPN, put out a list that means very little, uh,
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: Next to nothing, but they put out their top 100
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: NHL players. Four Utah Mammoth on it. Keller, the highest
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: ranked at 39. Gunther at 58. Cooley at 60. And
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: Sergeyev down at, I think, 88 is where I saw him. Yeah,
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: 88 for Mikhail Sergeyev. Who is most likely to play
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: themselves into that top 100 conversation.
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: Over the course of this season? That's not there now.
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: That's not there now. Top 100.
• 19:36
  Speaker 3: I look at this roster, and I see a lot
• 19:39
  Speaker 3: of meat and potatoes, too. You got your stars that
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: that were listed right there. Um, you said Keller, you
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: said Gunther Cooley circuit or Gunther Cooley circuit chip. What
• 19:54
  Speaker 3: about Schmaltz? How's Schmaltz not on the list? Isn't that implied?
• 19:57
  Speaker 3: I thought that was going to be your answer. Maybe
• 19:59
  Speaker 3: I thought you said it. And then I'm like, he
• 20:01
  Speaker 3: didn't say it. Yeah. Yeah.
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: Schmaltz is not on there, man. I've got, that's a problem.
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: I've scrolled it a couple of times. Now Schmaltz is
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: not on there. 39 for Keller. He was 40 last year.
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: Gunther was not ranked last year. Cooley was 97 last year.
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: He's 60 this year. And Sergachev on last year's list
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: was 96, and now he's 88.
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: I guess Schmaltz has to be there. Outside of that,
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: I mean, Trocek and Lee are probably... 100 to 150,
• 20:40
  Speaker 3: they're going to have the consistent seasons they always do.
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: And you look at the D, like Wieger, Marino, Schmidt,
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: like they bring it. Like John Marino, a plus 42
• 20:55
  Speaker 3: second best in the NHL.
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: But popping into.
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: That 100, Schmaltz is the one guy that should be
• 21:02
  Speaker 3: there that isn't. But beyond that, I think he got
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: a lot of 100s to 200s. Number one on the list,
• 21:09
  Speaker 3: you could guess.
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: McDavid. Conor McDavid. Number two. Nathan McKinnon. Yes. Number three.
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: Kel Makar. They've got Nikita Kucherov. Okay. Makar is five
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: on the list. So Kucherov, three. Makar, five. Who do
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: you think they have at number four.
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: On the list?
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: Quinn Hughes. Macklin Celebrini. Macklin Celebrini. Okay. Quinn Hughes is nine.
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: They've got... It goes.
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: Wow, that's... McCarr, Dreisaitl, Zach Wierenski, David Pasternak, Quinn Hughes,
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: Kirill Kaprizov, Austin Matthews at 11. Number 100, Evgeny Malkin
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: at age 40.
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: All right. For all of us old guys out there.
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: This is a fun list. I hadn't seen this. This
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: is all new to me. Mackenzie Wieger gets honorable mention.
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: Uh, so just outside of the top 100, along with
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: guys like Brad Marchand, what was the, he, he left,
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: wasn't able to put any weight on his leg.
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: Do we know anything about that injury?
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: No. Other than the fact that it's the last thing
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: Florida needs because their captain Alexander Barkoff is hurt again.
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: He got hurt two games earlier in San Jose and
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: it's not as bad as, um, that was initially feared. Um,
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: so I, I think it's, uh, six to eight weeks
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: ish on, uh, on Barkoff, but that, that Marshan thing
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: was some of the puts fear into you too. And gosh,
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: it's the exact same thing that happened last year with,
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: with the Florida Panthers.
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: Next up, as you already mentioned, Boston, how does that
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: game go? Never won in Boston before been shut out.
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: Scored one goal. Played in December last year. Last time
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: the Mammoth saw the Bruins was December. Both teams were
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: kind of still figuring themselves out, teetering in terms of playoffs.
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: Both finished strong. Boston finished as the first wild card
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: in the East. Mammoth finished as the first wild card
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: in the West. For Boston, they're the only team that's
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: beaten the Rangers so far. They lost a close game
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: to Minnesota, who's always good. Um, their last game coming
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: back from a mini two game trip, they lost four,
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: one to Ottawa and it, uh, it was ugly.
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: It wasn't good.
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: And for me, I thought, oh, it's probably a six, one, seven,
• 23:45
  Speaker 3: one game looking at the, the reaction and seeing what
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: the score was, was early, but.
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: But they're a big heavy team. Um, they.
• 23:57
  Speaker 3: Are tops in the league and hits Utah, the surprise second, but, um,
• 24:03
  Speaker 3: Mammoth have not scored a lot of goals against Boston.
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: Last year at home, beat them 3-2 in overtime. The
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: year before that, in the inaugural season, beat them 2-1
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: in overtime in a game that was scoreless going into
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: the third period. The games against Boston have been really
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: low scoring. They're a big, heavy team. You could say,
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: when you look at Utah coming into this season, you
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: could say Boston, that might be one of the teams
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: they struggle with, but We talk about how this season
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: started with the team identity as a whole, the way
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: that they've had success.
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: It'll be fun to see, as you.
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: Talked about earlier, what do we know about Columbus, the Devils,
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: Chicago Blackhawks. You know what you're going to get from Boston,
• 24:52
  Speaker 3: regardless of how it shakes out.
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: Last thing before I let you go, we were talking
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: in the previous segment about, um, Argentina bidding farewell to
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: Leo Messi, at least on the international stage is a
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: great sendoff in a friendly game against Benin. He assisted
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: two goals. He scored the final goal on a penalty. Uh,
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: you know, just the pageantry of it. His, his statement
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: was beautiful. And I was somewhat lamenting the fact that
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: we don't have that in American sports. There's, there's, There's
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: not like a deity of American sport, in my opinion,
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: at least. What is the closest equivalent we have to
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: Leo Messi in the sports world as Americans?
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: I'm going straight to hockey. I don't want to say
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: a New York Yankee, but guys like him and LeBron,
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: those are guys that the, or, uh, Aaron judge and LeBron,
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: like those are two guys you look at, um, Tom
• 26:01
  Speaker 3: Brady's retired a couple of couple of years ago.
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: Like, what do you think? Well, because, because it's unique, right?
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: Soccer has the thing where like, doesn't, doesn't matter what
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: international club you play for or what professional club you
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: play for. every four years you get to put on
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: the shirt and you get to like our football players
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: don't get to participate in the Olympics.
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: At least not yet.
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: Flag football's coming, right? Our basketball players do, but it's not,
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: I don't know. It doesn't make you love LeBron James.
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: If you're an anti Laker guy or you're an anti, uh,
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: 76 or guy or an anti Miami heat guy. You
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: don't like, oh, now I love LeBron James because of
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: wind because he won us a gold medal.
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: Who's the hero. Yeah.
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: We came up, got a good couple of texts. Muhammad
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: Ali turned into that. Michael Phelps, Serena Williams, tiger woods
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: was maybe that pre controversy or everyone kind of had
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: love for tiger, but it's a unique thing. And in hockey,
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: I think Canada has it. I don't think the U
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: S does. right?
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: Like, yeah.
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: Um, I don't think so. I don't think so. Um,
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: I'm so worldly. I had no idea what you were
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: getting after there, but I don't think so.
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: Like, does everyone in Canada still love Wayne Gretzky? I
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: think so. Even though he left and went to LA. Yeah. I, I,
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: I think so. There's always stuff. Yeah. You know, there's
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: some political stuff that, You know, that's the.
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: Other thing now that everyone has social media and they
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: can tell, they could tell everyone what they really think
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: it's harder for athletes to, and that's, I mean, part
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: of the reason probably why Leo Messi is so beloved,
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: not only in Argentina, but internationally, because you actually don't
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: know anything about him.
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: Like all you get is, is he a good soccer player?
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: And as far as we could tell, is he nice
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: to people?
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: And the answer to those seems like, yes. So everyone
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: loves Leo anyway. Always great catching up with you, sir.
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 28:08
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• 28:14
  Speaker 1: Thanks for coming in. How out of my week, buddy.
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: Thanks for having me.