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World Series Preview with Matt Snyder, Vinnie Iyer talks NFL & Trent's Picks presented by Circa Sports · The Lunch Rush with Trent Condon

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  Our number 2. Welcome back, Millerine Condon,
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  Iowa Sports Radio Network, Trent Condon and Ken Miller talking
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  sports with you. Appreciate you being here.
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  We'll take you until 2:00 off the bench at that time with
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  Lucas Strange, Sean Roberts until 5:00 still to come.
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  This hour, Vinny Ayer covers the NFL for the Sporting News.
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  He'll join us at the bottom of the hour.
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  Trent will make some pick Circus Sports sponsor those couple of
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  college football games. A little NBA action tonight as
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  well as we continue on mattsnydercbssports.com.
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  He joins the program. We're down to two.
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  It's the Blue Jays and the Dodgers starting at Rodgers
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  Center in Toronto. Hello, Matt Snyder, How are you?
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  Probably not as good as you are. Feeling pretty good.
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  How about that? That was a fun one.
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  It really was. I I'm guessing it was not very
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  fun for quite a while. Yeah, and then it was amazing.
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  No, that that's for sure when the big dumper put one over the
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  fence of that boy is a good run. But little did we know that
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  Springer had other plans and the and the and the guy just killed
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  all season long. Hoffman was unbelievable in the
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  9th inning so fast. I I guess we got to and the
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  inevitable is coming and here come the Dodgers.
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  I think they played in the regular season and and the
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  Dodgers took two of three. The Jays won the Sunday game and
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  I think it was a hair on fire save as the Dodgers came roaring
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  back, if memory serves. But that aside, how do you beat
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  this Dodgers team at I just Yamamoto to Snell or whatever,
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  whatever order they're in Snell to Yamamoto to Otani to glass
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  now. I mean, how do you beat them?
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  Well, you've got to jump on the starting pitching early and
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  that's what the the Brewers, they scored like they hit a solo
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  home run if Yamamoto in the first inning, but that was about
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  it. Like the there needs to be
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  traffic. There needs to be stressful
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  innings. You cannot let these starting
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  pitchers get through 6789 because Yamamoto threw a
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  complete game innings. You just can't the the weakness
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  of this Dodgers team is the underbelly of the bullpen and
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  they they will would love to use Rokie Suzaki basically and maybe
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  a little Blake Trinon, but Trinon can be gotten to.
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  There's a few other guys, but the more you make that bullpen
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  throw through the course of the series, the, the bigger the
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  chance the Blue Jays have to win it.
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  Now a lot easier said than done because those starters are
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  amazing right now. They're they're ER as something
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  like 1.48 as a rotation in the playoffs.
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  And that's not using openers and bullpen games.
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  That's using every single guy going into the 6th inning or
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  later. It's just ridiculous.
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  Like they're averaging almost 7 innings to start in the post
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  season from that rotation. And I, I like how it's kind of
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  like making the starting pitcher a main character again.
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  We started to get away from that and sold.
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  You know, a lot of teams are getting away from that in the
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  playoffs. But the Dodgers now, it is kind
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  of an old school approach. The way they're using their
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  starters. You cannot let them rack up that
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  many innings because you can beat, you can get to that
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  bullpen. So it's and maybe the Blue Jays
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  have the offense to do it because they led the majors in
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  batting average. They can draw their walks, they
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  can hit for power. They're not as reliant on the
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  home run as a lot of their power hitting team.
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  So they have the type of offense to do it.
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  You look at this matchup very, very one sided.
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  So we're just looking for a confident, not pie in the sky.
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  You know, everything goes right. Vlad hits eight home runs in a
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  series. You know the What is the most
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  realistic path for the Blue Jays?
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  Not to hang around, not to win a couple, to win this series?
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  What's the path as you envision it?
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  What's it look like for Toronto to take down this behemoth?
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  Well, the first thing is, and it's the easiest one, but it
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  matters. It's it's when you're home
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  games. And they didn't do it to start
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  the ALCS, but they do have home field advantage here.
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  And they were 54 and 27 in the regular season at home.
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  They won both of their home playoff games against the
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  Yankees and the ALDS. They won games six and seven at
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  home when they were when their backs were against the wall.
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  They need to win their home games.
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  And if they do that, then they're going to win the series.
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  Very simple. The Dodgers are four and O so
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  far this postseason on the road, so again, easier said than done.
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  They went into Philadelphia in 1-2.
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  They went into Milwaukee in 1-2. Like I said, it's you've got to
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  get to those starting pitchers and make the bullpen work and
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  then you've got to hold up your home field advantage.
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  So, you know, the other thing I thought about is I went back to
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  before the playoffs started when I was in the Cubs dugout and
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  Craig counsel was talking to some media members and he said
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  one thing he always thinks that you need is some special
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  performances, not only from the guys that you count on, but
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  special performances that look like outliers.
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  You know, maxers are coming out and surprisingly absolutely
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  dealing against the mayors of Seattle.
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  The Andres Jimenez 2 run home runs in two different games in
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  Seattle. You need stuff like that.
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  So whether it's your savage contend continuing to to look
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  amazing as he's done in two of his three playoffs starts so
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  far, maybe it's somebody like Nathan Lucas stepping up and
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  having a big game. Maybe it's low profito now that
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  Santander is out for the rest of the playoffs.
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  And you know, and it's not like an outlier performance, but Beau
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  Bichette returning, maybe Bichette comes back and has a
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  gigantic series. You need stuff like that because
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  you don't just need your best players to step up up, you need
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  special moments. You know, you mentioned Bob
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  Bouchette and and apparently he does want to come back.
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  Where are they going to put him? I mean, Jimenez is that is, is I
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  think locked it short. You're not taking Ernie Clement
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  out of the lineup. You don't need ADH.
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  Springer's got that role. I mean, I know he can play right
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  field, but, but I, I just don't know where Bob Bouchette's going
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  to go. And I love Bobouchette.
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  I, I was hoping they were going to find a way to sign him maybe,
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  I guess maybe him and his slides back over to second base.
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  I might take him and as out too. He's a good glove.
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  Though he's a great defender, but what you got out of him
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  offensively you're probably not going to.
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  Get it and. I feel like you're in a series
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  where you need to out slug the Dodgers, though you're probably
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  going to need the offense a lot more than the defensive aspect.
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  Could totally be wrong. You know, maybe they take him
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  out and they make a few errors and that helps the Dodgers win.
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  But it's one of those situations where you're talking about a guy
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  who hit 311 with a nearly 5, 100 slugging percentage in the
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  regular. Speed you're.
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  Going to have to out slug somebody and Jimenez.
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  Those two huge, huge home runs aside, you're probably not going
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  to get those again in the World Series.
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  Matt, we went the Max of the American League and yet we still
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  have this layoff. Do you like this layoff for the
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  World Series even if everything's pushed back?
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  We know if it's a short series, yeah, it gets too long.
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  Is 3 days too much? Is it too little?
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  How do you like kind of the set up here as we get ready for
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  Friday night? I wouldn't mind.
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  See, I have travel, so I like being able to book pants and I
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  have moved to travel. I do think that's a big part of
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  it. Like they've got so many people
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  that they need to fly in. They have so much stuff.
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  I think they like having the set date and knowing, you know, this
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  is when you have to get everywhere in terms of just the
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  baseball. Obviously you can't do something
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  like, well, the Dodgers have been off for a lot of days
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  because they slept the Brewers. So we need to hustle and we need
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  to have a quick turn around and we need to start game 1:00
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  tomorrow. Tomorrow.
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  You can't do that to the Blue Jays because they unloaded their
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  as much pitching as they needed to get through Game 6.
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  But in terms of the baseball aspect, Thursday wouldn't have
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  been horrible. I mean, the Blue Jays would be
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  ready to go on on Thursday, but we're only talking about one
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  day. So do we really need to upend
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  all the travel just to start one day sooner?
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  Probably not. So I'm perfectly OK with it.
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  What are we? Who are we going to see on
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  Friday night? Do you think it's going to be
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  Snell? No, for one.
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  Absolutely no. Is he going to face you, Savage?
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  Savage, Yeah, Yeah, I think so, because I mean, obviously it was
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  set up for Gossman, but with him throwing last night, even though
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  it's a throw day, like give Gossman the extra day there and
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  and throw him in Game 2, I think it might be a Savage.
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  I wouldn't be. Surprised, I think, and the
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  approach with him is while he hasn't been daunted so far, home
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  game, game, game one of the World Series against the
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  defending champion Dodgers might be a little more daunting than
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  anything else. But I think the thing you say to
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  him is, hey, you've got nothing to lose right here.
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  Everybody expects the Dodgers to steamroll us, so just go out and
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  have fun. You're pitching in the World
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  Series and he probably. Will throw really well what a
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  year he's had start enabled starting at the world.
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  Series, it's a long ramp up, isn't it going to end up here,
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  Matt? There's a lot of big picture
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  things that are happening and you'll obviously be able to hear
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  out there at the World Series. We'll get to hear from the
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  Commission and everything that goes along with it.
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  What do you look at this sport, the health of it, the Dodgers,
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  the way that they spend, the way that they've been able to do it,
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  Just kind of where are you and the concern that lays forward
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  with a very real possibility of a work stoppage coming.
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  Yeah, I'm still I'm not going to stray from being staunchly anti
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  salary cap. I think that there's a lot of
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  owners who need to spend more. I would love to put in a floor a
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  lot quicker than a salary cap. And I'm tired of hearing the
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  guys cry poor, especially when they get revenue sharing
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  dollars. There's been a lot of Major
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  League Baseball technology sales in the last decade and all these
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  poor owners are just pocketing it like nutting with the
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  Pirates. Just pocket stuff.
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  Makes profits every year, doesn't even try.
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  I am, however, a little concerned about the top end in
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  the rich getting richer and richer and richer.
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  But you know, part of that is the Dodgers shouldn't be able to
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  outspend the Cubs to the that they are the Cubs.
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  The Cubs should spend more, for example.
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  But if all the teams who had a bunch of money, Blue Jays,
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  Yankees, Red Sox, Phillies, Mets, Cubs, Dodgers, White Sox,
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  probably Angels, where we are starting to get to a point where
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  there's haves and have nots and it is worrisome, it at least
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  should be a little bit concerning.
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  Yeah, I'm with you, boy. The teams that got knocked out
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  late, Brewers, obviously their prospects for getting back next
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  year. And then the Mariners,
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  obviously, it's a sting. They've never been there.
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  They were so close this year. The Mariners and the Brewers,
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  more likely of those two to, you know, be back in a spot to play
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  for a World Series next year. Any thoughts there?
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  Yeah, Brewers, I'm concerned for the Mariners like this might
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  have been a like a once in a generation team for them because
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  you're never going to have a switch inning catcher hit sixty
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  home runs again. You're just not as much as I
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  like Kel Raleigh and they went out and they traded for Naylor
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  and AU as far as at the deadline now they're both free agents.
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  They one of their calling cards was even though they play in
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  such an oppressive home ballpark for power, they hit for power,
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  especially when they were on the road.
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  Are they going to have that again?
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  How are they going to replace what they had in the second-half
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  with Naylor and Suarez? They were a middling team, a
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  middling contending team when they went out and they traded
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  for those guys when they really, really got awesome was in
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  September when they won 17 out of 18 and that was with that
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  team that we saw in tech in the playoffs.
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  They do have a good rotation, but it's not amazing.
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  A lot of the rotation numbers are good because they pitch in
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  T-Mobile half the time. I would be concerned there for
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  the Mariners. So they do have a good
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  foundation because when you get to build around some of those
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  young arms like Kirby and Gilbert, in addition to Julio
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  and Cal Raleigh, that's a great foundation.
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  But we'll see how much they want to spend to build on that.
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  And the Brewers, it doesn't matter for them.
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  They they turn over and they turn guys out.
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  It's their system. They're they're such a good
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  system, at least in the regular season that I expect that
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  they're going to be good for quite a while just because
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  they're for me. I wrote an article and basically
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  said like the Brewers right now or whatever.
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  But he says the Rays are. OK.
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  Makes sense. Does Yeah, I can buy that, Yeah,
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  absolutely. So I see Kurt Suzuki got hired
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  by the Angels and that. Was his job.
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  I did too and it felt really old because he's younger than me but
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  that's becoming more and more the norm anymore.
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  But still we're continuing to see this younger and younger.
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  It's not the old guy smoking a stogie in the scar anymore.
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  Recycle, recycle, recycle. Trader Jackets, these young
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  guys, Why? Why is that?
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  Why do you think that we've gone this way in Major League
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  Baseball and going a direction from the old stodgy guy to now a
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  lot of these guys just fresh out of the game getting these
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  managerial jobs. I don't know, I mean, maybe
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  they're trying to find the next managerial star, like one that
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  really seemed like it worked well.
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  I just mentioned the race was Kevin Cash and I think a lot of
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  a lot of teams are kind of wanting to go that way.
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  But there has been success with guys who have been around for a
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  long time. Rob Thompson when he it with the
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  Phillies was in term and he made that his full time job.
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  Same, same thing happened with Snicker.
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  He was in term and he made that his job.
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  And then we've got the retreads like Terry Francona and Dusty
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  Baker, who's probably done now forever.
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  Bruce Bochy who might be done. But like we've seen some of the
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  Joe Madden hung around for a long, long time.
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  One thing that sticks out to me is the catchers.
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  It's you're always, I think people are trying to find the
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  next Bruce Bochy there. Joe Madden was a catcher on the
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  Miners. Kevin Cash was a catcher.
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  We've seen the mayor's went from Scott's service to Dan Wilson,
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  both catchers. The Cubs hired David Ross, who
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  was the backup catcher. A lot of the line of thinking is
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  the catcher's kind of the manager on the field.
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  He's the one who calls the pitches.
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  He deals with the the pitching staff.
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  I think he manages the game plan with the pitchers before every
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  game. So it's like on job training to
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  become a manager. And I was just asked before I
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  came on, I was on CBS Sports HQ and they they asked me about
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  pool holes versus Suzuki. And I said, well, it might not
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  be fair to pool holes. All things being equal, I would
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  rather hire the catcher because of everything I just said versus
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  the all time great player. Because there aren't that many
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  all time great players who were great managers.
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  I mean, we can think about like Frank Robinson or Paul Molitor
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  or Pete Rose. None of them were like
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  overwhelmingly successful as managers.
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  Ryan Sandberg wasn't great in his Philly spent.
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  I I there might be something there in it's a lot harder for
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  the all time grades to teach because things came a lot easier
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  to them. Now they did obviously had to
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  work really hard on them, their craft or they would not have
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  been all time great. But when you have that much
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  talent, it's a lot harder to know how to deal with talent, I
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  think. Interesting point.
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  Did you get a non-stop from Toronto to LA?
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  No, I I'm actually unfortunately and I'm pretty down about this.
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  I'm not going to Toronto. I'm only.
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  Doing the middle part in LA. So, yeah, man, I'm, I'm, I'm
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  bummed, but it's going to be I, I, I hope it's a fun series.
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  And I know I hate to put you through this, but I've talked
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  about it before. We haven't had a game seven in
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  the World Series since 2019 when Howie Kendrick hit the ball.
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  Man, I'd like to have 7 again. I know that's a lot of a lot of
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  tense moments for you, a lot of nerves around a week and a half,
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  but you can. Deal with it.
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  Well, yeah, yeah, that's for sure.
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  Take it a little bit more. Hey, one guy we talked about how
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  it's all come together in your article over at CBSSports.com
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  for the Dodge Dodgers and that rotation.
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  The guy that has been getting a lot of pub around here is Jack
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  Dreyer called a bunch of his games in high school, watched
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  him at the University of Iowa. And I'm turning into what are
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  their more useful pieces that they've done and buried a
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  different things with them this year.
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  Just it's one of the stories that's important here in our
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  market because it is a local guy, but a guy that's doing
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  important things in that bullpen and they ask a lot out of him.
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  Absolutely. I mean, if you look, he was, I
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  know I put in the article like 5th or 6th and innings pitched
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  during the regular season, maybe 6th on the Dodgers, which sounds
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  ridiculous for a reliever. 76 and a third inning.
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  That's a big workload, man. And a lefty.
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  It seems like Bessia is is Dave Roberts go to lefty out of the
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  pen but drives right behind him. So, you know, I expect that
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  he'll get some work here. I don't know if the Blue Jays
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  are necessarily going to pound the Dodgers starting pitching or
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  anything like that, but I do think they're going to put up a
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  lot more of a fight than the Brewers did.
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  And with it being yeah and with it being A7 game series and the
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  way that the five game series against the Phillies was laid
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  out, they didn't have to dip in the Bolton as much because he's
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  Tyler Glass now in game one and they could start the game.
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  Game 4. Not going to be able to do
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  anything like that in the World Series.
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  You're going to see Dryer and and some big moments.
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  The World Series, game one and two in Toronto, 345 in LA.
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  Does it get back to Toronto? I'm sure you've been asked.
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  You know all the hits that you've done to predict the
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  outcome, Dodgers, and how many. I, I, I hope that I'm wrong, but
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  I had Dodgers in five. I really hope it goes deeper
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  and, and if he said which team would you rather win?
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  I'm not just pandering to you. I don't want to reap.
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  I like being able to stay. We haven't had a repeat champion
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  2000. So I really hope that it's Blue
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  Jays and I hope it goes 7, but I had Dodgers in five.
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  I like, I get it. Vladimir Guru makes $500 million
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  on his contract. The tears coming down his face
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  after they clinched. You don't see too many mega
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  superstars like that that get affected like that.
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  That in essence my team and yes, he's my guy.
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  But it but it was good to see anything else say.
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  Well, I it's a while ago, but going back to Friday night, the
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  performance, Oh my God. From Otani Matt, you run out of
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  things. I mean, you can scream from the
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  mountain top, this is the greatest playoff performance,
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  the greatest baseball performance, just on it's it's
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  so ridiculous. Take us back to Friday night as
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  you were going through and knowing, oh boy, there, there's
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  probably going to be some work that we're going to have to do
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  after this one. Oh, yeah, and I did, but I did
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  it with joy. It was a labor of love.
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  What was amazing was the chronology between the two
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  games. Raleigh hit the game time bomb,
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  then Otani hit the bomb, then Suarez hit the Grand Slam.
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  It was like, you got to be kidding me, man.
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  Those might have been the two biggest hits in Seattle history.
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  Now you've got Otani going deep. I tried to tell everybody who
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  would listen that this is not hyperbole.
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  This is the greatest baseball game an individual has ever
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  played. The only other time a pitcher
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  hit three home runs in a game was a guy by the name of Jim
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  Tobin in 1942 and he hit three home runs and he threw a
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  complete game, but he gave up five runs.
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  This is a playoff. That was a regular season.
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  This was a playoff game, an elimination game for the
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  usually always kind of an exaggeration And he did not
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  single handedly dominate this game.
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  But this was about as close as you can get to doing it single
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  handedly in baseball to to go 6 shut out innings and more home
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  runs than the other team scored runs.
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  I mean, that was that was the, we've seen so many huge moments
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  from Otani and he's the most talented player that baseball's
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  ever seen and he might go down as the greatest player of all
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  time. That's going to be his signature
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  moment. Glad he got it out of the way.
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  Yeah, hope he doesn't have another.
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  Instead of it being in like game.
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  Four in the World Series. Yeah.
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  We'll recap it with you next week.
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  Matt Snyder, Thank you. What you do?
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  Appreciate it buddy. Take care.
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  Let's get right to our friend Vinny I from the Sporting News.
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  He joins the program. He's got a hard stop at in 20
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  before 2. So let's get right to him.
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  Vinny, good to talk to you. Trent and Ken, appreciate you
• 23:18
  being with us. Just real quick, your, your,
• 23:21
  your cats of Northwestern kind of a surprising season in a
• 23:24
  positive way, right? Yeah, I mean, Speaking of hard
• 23:30
  stops, yeah, yeah, it's actually not been bad if you look back.
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  I mean, their losses were to Oregon and they hung in for that
• 23:38
  game for a little bit. And Tulane is playing really
• 23:41
  well down to the, I guess, the last play of the game last week
• 23:45
  they won. They've only lost one game with
• 23:47
  the Jake refs last. So their two losses are pretty
• 23:51
  acceptable at this point. And the Big 10, I mean, it's
• 23:55
  just very weird looking at it now with the standing in the Big
• 23:59
  10. I mean, Penn State known by the
• 24:01
  wayside, just wide open. I think after the obvious team
• 24:06
  there at Ohio State is in Michigan is in a good spot as
• 24:09
  well. Of course, Indiana having a big,
• 24:11
  big season, so interesting stuff there.
• 24:14
  The Big 10, which is now probably big, I don't know how
• 24:17
  many. Is it Big 23?
• 24:19
  On its way they're. Building, building, no doubt.
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  Vidya, I want to talk to you about the NFC and the Lions
• 24:26
  looked really good at times and yet they still have that head
• 24:28
  scratching loss in Week 1. What happened a couple weeks ago
• 24:30
  against KC? The Packers have the best record
• 24:33
  right now. They'd be the number one seed
• 24:35
  yet. Feels like there's some warts on
• 24:36
  that team, certainly away from home.
• 24:39
  Is this wide open or do you think that there are a couple of
• 24:42
  clear cut top teams in the NFC? Yeah, I think it is a bit wide
• 24:48
  open. I think it comes down to the
• 24:51
  consistency. Can you find different ways to
• 24:54
  win? And the Eagles have been really
• 24:56
  good at doing that, right? But now one of their avenues is
• 24:59
  gone in the running game where really they're struggling.
• 25:02
  I mean, it's not even a fluke. Now it's the trend where they
• 25:05
  can't run the ball with stake on Barkley.
• 25:08
  Partly it's because they're inside offensive line hasn't
• 25:11
  been all that great this year. So that's a big problem.
• 25:15
  So they they were the team that could morph and beat teams.
• 25:18
  But some teams cannot change and adapt right from week to week.
• 25:23
  The Lions need the running game to work for Jared Goff to work.
• 25:26
  And if you take away the Lions running game, if you look at
• 25:28
  both of the games, they did not run the ball well and then they
• 25:32
  lost. So they're kind of some
• 25:34
  dependent teams. They got to get into the rhythm
• 25:37
  of what they want to do. There's some teams that are just
• 25:39
  going to adjust moving. The 49ers have done a great job
• 25:42
  adjusting with their personnel issues so that you would put
• 25:45
  them on the top of the list and then you put the Eagles down.
• 25:47
  This is why these teams are always on the short list with
• 25:50
  their coaching to make the Super Bowl.
• 25:51
  Now, I think it's wide open. I think the Bucks were a bit
• 25:54
  overrated. I mean, people bet on me about
• 25:57
  not putting them #1 to the power rankings.
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  Like, quite frankly, they're not like the Colts, right?
• 26:02
  Going in, like you've seen the Colts dominate some games where
• 26:06
  the Bucks have had remarkable comebacks in a lot of games.
• 26:09
  And that's not going to sustain in terms of being consistent,
• 26:14
  right? So now they've got some injuries
• 26:16
  as well. So again, it's open.
• 26:18
  I think the Bucks may be fading a little bit.
• 26:21
  The Eagles, if they get their pass game going to make up for
• 26:24
  Barclays issues then they're going to be a force to be
• 26:26
  reckoned with going forward. What about the Seahawks, Vinny?
• 26:29
  This team's really got my AI as of late.
• 26:33
  Yeah, that's an interesting team.
• 26:35
  The only problem is they're the wrong bit of real estate right
• 26:38
  at the NFC West. I mean, I want to see them do
• 26:41
  it. I mean, we go all the way back
• 26:43
  to week one. They didn't look all that great.
• 26:45
  Nope. Against the 49ers.
• 26:47
  So can they get it down against the Rams and 49ers, like beating
• 26:51
  up the Cardinals? I mean, as we saw, the Texans
• 26:53
  don't look like they're very good team right now either.
• 26:56
  So that doesn't really move the needle in terms of how good the
• 26:59
  Seahawks are. So I don't know.
• 27:02
  I mean, I think they're going to take care of business.
• 27:04
  I mean, keep in mind they were right on the cusp of the
• 27:06
  playoffs last year, so they were pretty good team last year as
• 27:10
  well. I think what they've done is
• 27:11
  stabilize quarterback. They made the right call and
• 27:14
  going Stan Brown with a routine for Smith.
• 27:16
  As we look at it now and then, look, Jackson's been the jig bus
• 27:19
  emerged. They have pretty good running
• 27:21
  game. Their defense has really come
• 27:23
  through. So they're solid team.
• 27:25
  I think that's a great description for the Seahawks.
• 27:27
  I don't know if they're going to be spectacular, but I think they
• 27:30
  definitely are a threat. We get a wild card to the NFC.
• 27:34
  Drake Bay just turned 23 years old and what we're seeing, he's
• 27:36
  now third betting choice to win the MVP.
• 27:40
  Is this a mirage? Is this something that is
• 27:42
  sustainable? What do you think about Drake
• 27:44
  May? What we've seen out of him and
• 27:46
  we kind of look through the schedule, there's not exactly a
• 27:48
  bunch of daunting defenses he's seen to this point.
• 27:50
  Your take away on the Patriot signal caller.
• 27:54
  Yeah, I mean, I think it just comes down to some people are
• 27:56
  just better at coordinators than Josh McDaniels is one of them.
• 27:59
  I think Robert Sala, we're learning is one of them.
• 28:02
  And like when they're just doing the basics of teaching offense
• 28:07
  or teaching defense, they're special.
• 28:09
  And that's what McDaniels has done.
• 28:10
  And like Brabel having a better situational coach and we have a
• 28:13
  180 with his coaching staff with both Brabel and McDaniel,
• 28:17
  they're influencing the quarterback.
• 28:18
  So look, they're getting it done.
• 28:20
  They're not shying away, which I like, right, even tell more 40°
• 28:25
  expensive rattlers not shying away from being aggressive.
• 28:27
  You can't just put your quarterback in a shell, right?
• 28:31
  And Drake may has a massive arm. So you want to show that off a
• 28:34
  little bit. And Keyshawn Booty has been a
• 28:36
  story with Stefan Diggs. I mean, they've got weapons all
• 28:39
  of a sudden. So I think they might be buyers
• 28:41
  of the trade deadline if they had another weapon.
• 28:43
  Watch out. I mean, I think this Patriots
• 28:46
  team is legit. They have their resume have been
• 28:48
  inflated of course, of late. They beat the Saints of Titans
• 28:51
  and now they get the Browns this week.
• 28:53
  But that's kind of what the NFL wants, right?
• 28:55
  For these teams to be in position to rise for parity.
• 28:59
  I'll let you go on this, Vinny. The Chiefs looking like the
• 29:02
  Chiefs again. I, I, I mean, I can't put much
• 29:04
  stock in the way they just dismantled the Raiders.
• 29:07
  I mean, three first downs, come on, was unbelievable.
• 29:10
  The week before they just took it to the Lions.
• 29:13
  I, I, I are we back to just being here they go again.
• 29:16
  It's inevitable. Are the Chiefs the best?
• 29:19
  I know you've got them at the top as far as the AFC of your
• 29:22
  high most highly rated AFC team. Are the Chiefs back in your
• 29:26
  mind, Vinny? Or they never really left, but
• 29:28
  do they belong on top again? Yeah.
• 29:31
  I mean, The funny thing is if the playoffs are they, they
• 29:33
  would not be this crazy. Yeah, that's not going to last.
• 29:38
  The Chiefs are going to get on a hot streak here.
• 29:40
  I don't think anyone's going to be able to stop their offense
• 29:43
  for a while. Defense playing this well.
• 29:45
  So whenever things breakdown, the info who's the best team in
• 29:50
  FC, the surprise team to the FD, whatever.
• 29:54
  And then you're like, OK, it's all going back to the Chiefs.
• 29:57
  So that's what you're enjoying. So Mahomes again, great year.
• 30:01
  I mean it's his best year since this GMPP seasons.
• 30:04
  Unbelievable, Vinny, thanks for what you do for us.
• 30:06
  We'll run you down in a couple of weeks if your schedule
• 30:08
  allows. Thank you, Vinny Iyer.
• 30:11
  Thanks guys. Have a good one.
• 30:12
  You're the same vinnyiyersportingnews.com as we
• 30:14
  check out in the NFL, there is Vikings news.
• 30:17
  Carson Wentz will start. Max Brosnor is the.
• 30:20
  Backup. What's going on there?
• 30:23
  You know, Mike Palm's been saying this for weeks.
• 30:25
  There's. There's no injury, according to
• 30:27
  Mike Palm. JJ McCarthy is healthy enough to
• 30:30
  be your emergency quarterback, but he's not healthy enough to
• 30:33
  be your starter. Short week.
• 30:35
  They play Thursday in LA against the Chargers.
• 30:37
  Wentz has banged up. Yeah, yeah.
• 30:40
  This is not a healthy play. Well, Carson.
• 30:42
  And this is a big team. This is a big game for both
• 30:44
  teams. Oh, absolutely, both teams.
• 30:47
  I Palm's been saying that he he's got somebody with the
• 30:50
  Vikings inside the Vikings. I don't know.
• 30:52
  Well, maybe we'll ask him on Friday.
• 30:54
  That says that the injury, they're, they're blowing this
• 30:57
  thing up. Doesn't feel like a stretch,
• 30:59
  does it? No, not a.
• 31:03
  Not a one I've seen. He's played one good quarter of
• 31:05
  football. Was it 1/4 or 1/2?
• 31:06
  I was it. Was 1/4 he was terrible for 3/4.
• 31:09
  OK, so he. Won against your Bears.
• 31:11
  Right. So Yep, Monday night, that's it.
• 31:14
  And now he's quote UN quote hurt.
• 31:16
  What kind of ankle injury, sort of a broken ankle that you're
• 31:19
  good enough to? Something stinks here.
• 31:23
  I agree. I agree KOC hates him.
• 31:26
  Well, he, he invested a lot of me and he said Rogers.
• 31:29
  We're good, Aaron. We're good.
• 31:31
  I want to take you back to no. Don't go back there.
• 31:34
  Not that one. OK.
• 31:35
  I want to take you back to December last year.
• 31:37
  Yep. And we saw their backup
• 31:39
  quarterback at the time who? Was it?
• 31:42
  Who was it? Mullins.
• 31:43
  No. Daniel Jones.
• 31:45
  Oh, Daniel Jones. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 31:47
  And after things went down, I said, here's the way this is
• 31:50
  going to play out. It's going to be just what we
• 31:51
  saw from Sam Darnold. Danny Jones is going to take
• 31:54
  over for a year, for another year.
• 31:56
  He's going to be the latest reclamation project the KOC is
• 31:58
  going to put together now. Steiken's done a nice job.
• 32:04
  But do we have to give some credit to KOC on whatever work
• 32:07
  that he did with Daniel Jones in the How long was it?
• 32:10
  McCarthy Yeah, about two months. Because he's not good.
• 32:14
  Yeah, that's why. Starting to wonder?
• 32:16
  I mean, if you can't process things, if you can't get through
• 32:18
  it, if you can't do it with KOC, you can't do it anywhere.
• 32:23
  No, he's a, he's a brilliant offense of mine, him and Kyle
• 32:25
  Shanahan, as good as they are on an offense.
• 32:29
  I think I would take KOC at least as a quarterback
• 32:33
  whisperer, what he's been able to do when those two guys got
• 32:36
  together. And that's what led to Sam
• 32:38
  Darnold making his way from San Francisco to Minnesota, what we
• 32:41
  put together a year ago. There is too much weirdness with
• 32:46
  this situation. Too many Burmers go to those
• 32:50
  dark corners of the Internet, not those dark corners, dark
• 32:52
  corners of the Vikings. And you can find some things
• 32:55
  that say the exact same thing. Something is off here.
• 32:59
  Something is wrong. They swung and missed and you
• 33:03
  just eat the poison pill and say we got to move on.
• 33:05
  I mean, you just do it this quickly into a tenure because if
• 33:09
  anybody knows, I mean, if KOC goes to the front office and
• 33:12
  says that, don't you just say, OK.
• 33:15
  Yeah, I do. Yeah, I think I do.
• 33:17
  They've won 3 football games the short week against the Chargers,
• 33:21
  then they go to Detroit. Lamar Jackson's going to be back
• 33:25
  home to the Bears, at Green Bay, at Seattle, home to Washington,
• 33:29
  at Dallas. All of a sudden that game looks
• 33:30
  tough at Giants, All of a sudden that game looks tough.
• 33:34
  And then finish Detroit and Green Bay can.
• 33:37
  This team right now I think is closer to finishing last in
• 33:42
  their division than having a sniff of the playoffs.
• 33:44
  Oh, I bet they're with you. What do you think?
• 33:46
  The Yes No on the Vikings to make the playoff.
• 33:49
  Is, well, it's got to be, there's got to be the the yes is
• 33:52
  a a longer price than a no. Has to be has to be all right,
• 33:56
  let's go open up the app here and see what we oh.
• 33:59
  Has to be because their record right now is 3 and 3, three up
• 34:02
  and three down. They've had their bye week.
• 34:04
  They had that after the Cleveland win that they got
• 34:06
  lucky to win, yes. As they did, as I'm scrolling
• 34:10
  through here and looking for the Minnesota Vikings yes, no, to
• 34:13
  make the playoffs. I'm going to guess before I see
• 34:15
  it, the yes is plus 1:30, no -110 OK, or maybe 1 -, 150,
• 34:23
  maybe go the other direction. But you're right.
• 34:26
  All right? Holy crap, talk about being
• 34:29
  wrong. The Minnesota Vikings to make
• 34:32
  the playoffs. Now with the division, no, just
• 34:35
  make the playoffs, get in. Yep.
• 34:37
  Plus 450. Yeah, Vegas has written them
• 34:41
  off. Wow.
• 34:43
  That is an I hope. What about the Cincinnati
• 34:47
  Bengals? You like them to make get back
• 34:50
  into the hunt. I think that there's a big win
• 34:52
  for them last week, Trent, I think it was a big win.
• 34:55
  I think they're very much. I don't like the Steelers.
• 34:58
  Nope. Neither do I.
• 35:00
  Baltimore Yep. You can get Lamar Jackson back,
• 35:02
  but he's not going to fix your defense.
• 35:04
  Cleveland is an OK team. Not great, not playoff team, but
• 35:09
  not a really good defense. Yeah, really good defense.
• 35:12
  An elite defense at home. Yes.
• 35:14
  The Bengals are three to one to make the playoffs.
• 35:17
  On the other hand, the Ravens are still even muddy on the yes.
• 35:21
  What are the Steelers? Minus what Berg got to scroll
• 35:26
  through, because again, these are not in any particular order.
• 35:28
  Here we go. Steelers.
• 35:30
  Yes, is -140 you get the know it.
• 35:32
  Plus 1/15 parlay a few of these together.
• 35:36
  I I don't can you? You can do a couple, but then
• 35:38
  they. Yeah, they start to start to
• 35:40
  limit you if you put a bunch of them together, Think you see it
• 35:43
  all. That's a fun.
• 35:44
  Well, how about the Bears? Bears to make the playoffs?
• 35:47
  What kind of price would I have to give you?
• 35:49
  Say, you know what, that might be worth throwing in there in a
• 35:51
  party. They're not the worst team in
• 35:52
  the division. The here's the problem though, I
• 35:55
  think there's so many teams in the West.
• 35:57
  There's so many teams, I think in the NFC, Look, the depth of
• 36:00
  that conference, it's incredibly deep.
• 36:03
  The Bears to make the playoffs? Yes, plus 250.
• 36:07
  That's fair. It's about.
• 36:09
  About the right range. How many teams and seven make
• 36:12
  the playoffs? Obviously, Who are your?
• 36:14
  Who are your? Eagles in?
• 36:18
  Yeah, they'll get in. The Cowboys in no, Commanders in
• 36:23
  no. OK, so one out of that division.
• 36:26
  Packers in two, Detroit in three.
• 36:32
  Vikings in No. Bears in No.
• 36:35
  Tampa in Yep 4 Atlanta in maybe. Carolina in no.
• 36:43
  So you've got. 4 for sure. Yep, 4 1/2. 4 1/2 Niners yes.
• 36:47
  Seahawks, Yes. Rams.
• 36:49
  Yes. How tough is that?
• 36:51
  Yeah, we've got to leave two out.
• 36:53
  Right. Got to leave two out.
• 36:55
  And that Carolina story's a fun one, too.
• 36:58
  I don't think they're four and three.
• 36:59
  Yeah, I don't think it's sustainable.
• 37:00
  No, I don't either. But that defence that gave up
• 37:04
  the most points in NFL history a year ago?
• 37:06
  Yeah, turn the corner, perhaps. Playing better quarterbacks
• 37:09
  playing better, too. Miller and Condon Trench plays
• 37:12
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  Great. Like turn the clock back day.
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  Yes, it is. 1225 for Alec, he will join us and look forward to
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  that as we'll catch up with him as what he's heard down in
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  Kansas City for Big 12 basketball media day.
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  All right, so it's Conference USA Today tonight with a couple
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  of games. Are you interested in?
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  Either interested, maybe as a stretch, but I'll bet.
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  But you got to bet something. Right.
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  And so we got 2 plays for today. We're going to play Lot Tech
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  now, both them and Western Kentucky both last week playing
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  in the Fun Belt or No Conference USA, they both got clobbered and
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  both looked awful in the process.
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  I do believe in the Lot Tech defense and that's really the
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  only thing this this is a stretch, but I make plays every
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  day. That's part of the shtick.
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  And so we're going to play the texters in this one Lot Tech
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  minus. The dip your toe, you're not
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  going to jump. Yeah, this is not a head first
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  dive. This is not a multi unit play
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  that is for sure and I'm going to play the Warriors tonight I I
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  guess just to have something to watch.
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  Are they the late game they're? Probably they are, yeah, they're
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  at the Lakers. So we're going to go there.
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  I know it's going to be a public side with LeBron.
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  Obviously, again, these are not there is not a whole lot of
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  conviction behind these bets, so play at your own peril.
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  I. Think I'm going to watch hockey
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  and maybe the John Candy special on Netflix.
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  That is a great call. I don't watch it.
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  I've heard great things about it.
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  I mean such. So what was the Uncle Buck?
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  Oh, excellent. Excellent.
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  Playing Strange automobiles. Classic, I think it was.
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  It was a hell of a movie. The best Thanksgiving movie out
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  there. It's or is it Christmas?
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  It's a Thanksgiving. Movie was it yes yeah, it was it
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  was phenomenal so I that's I think I'm going to do that maybe
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  take a night off sports maybe a little puck I don't know for how
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  much conference USALC it's a. Hard, hard ass.
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  It's a bad. Action, on the other hand, bring
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  it on, baby. That's going to do it for us.
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  Glad you're with us tomorrow, Cappy.
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  Mitch Holtis will be here. Bussey will be here.
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  Bowen Camp on his Dodgers. Miller and Conda noon to two on
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  the Iowa Sports Radio Network. Des Moines Sports station One O
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  6.3 KX&O.