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Orange Is the New Housewife: A Jen Shah Exclusive with People’s Dave Quinn · Reality with The King

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  Speaker 2: in the world. Besides Porsche, of course, Dave Quinn from
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  Speaker 3: Hey, Dave, Well, what's.
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  Speaker 4: Up, Carlos. I will never be as good as a
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  Speaker 3: She's always number one. She always breaks the news first.
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  Speaker 3: But listen, you are a Peabody close second book.
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  Speaker 4: I will say. When we did the cover Digital cover
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  Speaker 4: story with Portia, I interviewed her. This is right after
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  Speaker 4: the Simon Gubadia divorced, and I said, like, what's going
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  Speaker 4: on with love for you? And she goes, I don't know,
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  Speaker 4: should I be a lesbian? And now she is so
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  Speaker 4: I got the scoop from the scooper.
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  Speaker 3: That's how it should be done. I mean, she gave
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  Speaker 3: you Edna's.
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  Speaker 2: Glusive and clearly it wasn't bullshit because she is living
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  Speaker 2: her best gay life, honey, something you and I can
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  Speaker 2: relate to. However, has that big topsy with us? It
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  Speaker 2: has everything to do with Listen, raindrops. Dave Quinn is
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  Speaker 2: here to talk about and exclusive interview. You guys are
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  Speaker 2: hanging her first that he did with former railhouse Wives
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  Speaker 2: of Salt Lake City star Jenshaw.
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  Speaker 4: Yo, it's crazy. Is that crazy?
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  Speaker 3: I mean it's insane, but it's not.
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  Speaker 2: Listen, it's not insane in terms of you getting yet,
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  Speaker 2: because of course you would get this close up. It's
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  Speaker 2: the fact that we now have on record how she feels.
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  Speaker 2: I'm assuming because listen, you're here to give us a
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  Speaker 2: school honey.
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  Speaker 3: So what is going on with Mi Jenshaw?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, like Carlos, she has not done an interview since
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  Speaker 4: she pled guilty. So that was a long time ago.
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  Speaker 4: Since she pled guilty, she went to jail. She was
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  Speaker 4: in jail for two years and nine months. She's now
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  Speaker 4: been out in home confinement. She has not spoken that
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  Speaker 4: entire time. Remember when she was arrested and indicted, we
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  Speaker 4: were all losing our minds. We were on clubhouse talking
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  Speaker 4: to all of our friends about all this. It was
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  Speaker 4: like twenty twenty Finny.
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  Speaker 3: We were all like losing our month balls.
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  Speaker 4: We were like, I can't believe Jenshaw is going to prison.
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  Speaker 3: This is crazy.
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  Speaker 4: She's indicted, look at these crimes. And the whole time
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  Speaker 4: she was saying I'm innocent, she was selling like free
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  Speaker 4: Genshaw merch and was saying that she was wrongfully accused.
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  Speaker 4: And then all of a sudden boom, she plied guilty.
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  Speaker 4: And from that moment on nada we heard not a drop.
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  Speaker 4: So finally, for the first time, she sat down and
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  Speaker 4: she said everything, how she became the alleged kingpin of
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  Speaker 4: this entire telemarketing scheme, why she decided to plead guilty,
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  Speaker 4: what it was like being behind bars, what it was
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  Speaker 4: like being behind bars with Elizabeth Holmes and Galene Maxwell.
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  Speaker 2: What wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait,
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  Speaker 2: there's so much unpack here.
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  Speaker 3: And listen, rain Jobs.
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  Speaker 2: You got to pick up the issue that is out today, Okay,
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  Speaker 2: so make sure to pick it up. But day give
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  Speaker 2: us this gooop because Elizabeth Holmes rain drops. In case
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  Speaker 2: you don't remember, she was a Silicon Valley woman, the
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  Speaker 2: inventor who allegedly was trying to invent some sort of
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  Speaker 2: blood transfusion.
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  Speaker 3: B as whatever. Hbos. Get a whole documented about her, honey.
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  Speaker 2: One of my favorite actresses, Mada Seyfried Baby played her
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  Speaker 2: in a biopic. So way she was in she shared
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  Speaker 2: the same jailso as her.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: So they were in the federal prison camp in Brian, Texas,
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  Speaker 4: which is a minimal security camp, and they shared I
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  Speaker 4: think there was over ten months that they were in
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  Speaker 4: the same unit. Dude, are you ready for this? This
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  Speaker 4: is my favorite quote from the piece. I'm gonna read
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  Speaker 4: it to you verbatim because I am a journalist, as
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  Speaker 4: you mentioned, and I like to make sure that I
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  Speaker 4: get my quotes correct. So I asked her about what
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  Speaker 4: it was like, you know, being with Elizabeth Holmes and
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  Speaker 4: whether they were had a friendship, and she said they were,
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  Speaker 4: They were friends, and they were both high profile prisoners,
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  Speaker 4: so there you kind of had things in commons. And
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  Speaker 4: she said, quote, we both got assigned to poop duty together.
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  Speaker 4: When you do poop duty with someone, you're gonna be close,
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  Speaker 4: I said, poop duty. So then she explains to me
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  Speaker 4: what poop duty is, so the loss on crimsis.
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  Speaker 3: So who's picking up? What poop? Are they picking up?
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  Speaker 2: Day?
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  Speaker 4: Okay, So what poop duty is is each unit has
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  Speaker 4: their own bathroom, right, so like each like sector in
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  Speaker 4: the prison has their own bathroom, and they were assigned
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  Speaker 4: to the same bathroom. And if someone in your bathroom
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  Speaker 4: going to your bathroom does not clean it, you get
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  Speaker 4: a strike. And if your bathroom gets three strikes, guess
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  Speaker 4: what happens poop duty. So sure enough, they were doing
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  Speaker 4: everything they can to make sure they didn't get poop duty,
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  Speaker 4: but they did get poop duty. And uh, what it
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  Speaker 4: does is you have to sit with a metal chin
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  Speaker 4: in the bathroom and you watch people like you're a
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  Speaker 4: bathroom attending. You watch people come and go into the bathroom,
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  Speaker 4: and when they leave the stall, you get up off
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  Speaker 4: your chair and walk over and make sure it's clean.
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  Speaker 4: And if it's not clean, you either have to clean
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  Speaker 4: it or you have to go get that person to
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  Speaker 4: come and clean it. Poop duty yuck?
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  Speaker 5: Oh okay, okay, And she's in Denvergala Maxwell too, who
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  Speaker 5: we all know was Jeffrey Epstein's girlfriend and co conspirator.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, and sentenced to I think twenty years in prison
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  Speaker 4: for her crimes, and apparently, according to Jenshaw, showed absolutely
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  Speaker 4: no remorse behind the scenes, told everybody and told jen
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  Speaker 4: blatantly that she had no remorse. The TV's on and
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  Speaker 4: they're showing the the the horrible victims of Epstein fighting
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  Speaker 4: to get the unsealed documents in Congress, and she's like
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  Speaker 4: mocking it in the room. Apparently, what girl, I was shocked.
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  Speaker 2: This is madening. Okay, back to Jinshaw. So, because baby,
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  Speaker 2: let me tell you something. Between Elizabeth and Galley, this
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  Speaker 2: whole fucking episode can be about them alone.
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  Speaker 4: But yeah, where is my real Housewives of the Clink?
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  Speaker 4: You know, like give it to me Orange is a
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  Speaker 4: new Housewives? Like I want to.
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  Speaker 2: See it, Lizzy, that's an episode that's the title this episode?
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  Speaker 3: Or a Housewives? That's actually Genia's Dave. That's why I
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  Speaker 3: love him, so body.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, So back to jin Okay, how did she describe.
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  Speaker 3: Her experience behind bars.
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  Speaker 2: Because you know on the show, she loved the label
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  Speaker 2: she had a big house, she's a mom, she's a wife.
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  Speaker 3: Did she get along with people. Did somebody try.
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  Speaker 2: To like, you know, you know, check her and big
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  Speaker 2: Mama her like what people, Mama.
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  Speaker 3: You know, these are things that my brain DAWs want
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  Speaker 3: to know.
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  Speaker 4: Well, she didn't open up about that first thing. You know,
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  Speaker 4: we've been laughing we're talking about this, but I do
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  Speaker 4: want to just strip it back to just say the
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  Speaker 4: big purpose of the interview was really Jenshaw talking about
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  Speaker 4: what happened, and she was very very accountable, saying over
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  Speaker 4: and over again that she is sorry, that she takes
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  Speaker 4: full accountability for what happened, that she's doing everything she
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  Speaker 4: can to pay the restitutions. She owes six point six
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  Speaker 4: million dollars in restitution to pay back the victims that
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  Speaker 4: were defrauded. She was very clear that she never targeted
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  Speaker 4: the elderly. That the way the government's case works that
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  Speaker 4: if over ten people are over the age of fifty
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  Speaker 4: five who are among your victims, they are considered elderly
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  Speaker 4: and they can add in this elderly charge which would
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  Speaker 4: require which would therefore get you more prison time. So
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  Speaker 4: she was very clear that that was never something that
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  Speaker 4: she targeted. She also said that she really didn't know
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  Speaker 4: that there were victims that she had been going through
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  Speaker 4: these processes believing she was doing the right thing, not
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  Speaker 4: recognizing that the people she was in business with were
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  Speaker 4: not doing the right things. She shouldn't have been more trusting,
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  Speaker 4: and she takes accountability for that. She's clear that she's
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  Speaker 4: not placing blame. She said clearly to me, I'm sorry.
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  Speaker 4: There is no excuse, but there is an explanation, right, like,
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  Speaker 4: this is how I got here, but there's no excuse
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  Speaker 4: for it. And she said to me pretty much at
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  Speaker 4: the eleventh hour of the story that also while this
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  Speaker 4: was happening, Coach and I were nearly divorcing, our marriage
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  Speaker 4: had completely fallen apart, I was abusing alcohol. Things were
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  Speaker 4: happening in my life where there was massive amounts of
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  Speaker 4: trauma due to the death of relatives, where I hadn't
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  Speaker 4: dealt with it, and my life was falling apart, and
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  Speaker 4: I wasn't being diligent. So this all happened around that time.
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  Speaker 4: Jen's now thirty six months sober. She is in a
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  Speaker 4: totally different mindset. This is a woman who we all
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  Speaker 4: are used to popping off and acting sort of very entertaining,
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  Speaker 4: I will say on the TV, but this is somebody
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  Speaker 4: in our conversation, who was really really different than the
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  Speaker 4: person that you had seen on TV. So the experience
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  Speaker 4: when you ask me what was she like back there,
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  Speaker 4: it is really changed her. She said that it is
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  Speaker 4: not camp Cupcake, it was prison. It was difficult. She
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  Speaker 4: was treated differently because she was well known. She said,
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  Speaker 4: everybody there watched Bravo and everybody knew everything about her.
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  Speaker 4: When she came in. She called it a Bravo Con
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  Speaker 4: meet and greet. She said they all came up to
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  Speaker 4: her asking about the show Andy, everything like a Bravo
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  Speaker 4: con meet and greet, And then she said they're they
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  Speaker 4: didn't really understand how to separate the difference between television
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  Speaker 4: and reality, so that it was almost they have no
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  Speaker 4: social media, right, so they would talk to her as
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  Speaker 4: if they were on social media, meaning if they liked her,
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  Speaker 4: they would say they loved her, and if they hated her,
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  Speaker 4: they would say they hated her. It got so bad
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  Speaker 4: that she had to be moved to another unit because
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  Speaker 4: it was so intense. So these are things that we
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  Speaker 4: don't think about, right, Like, we're adult enough to know
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  Speaker 4: that when we're around one of these women that we
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  Speaker 4: can sort of separate.
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  Speaker 3: But in these situations.
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  Speaker 4: They were not able to. Bravo was taken off the
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  Speaker 4: TV temporarily because it got so bad and they eded
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  Speaker 4: it back on. She said she didn't even watch the show,
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  Speaker 4: but she knew what was happening at all times. And
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  Speaker 4: remember she's behind the scenes, behind the scenes, she's behind
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  Speaker 4: bars when it is on the show, right, that whole
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  Speaker 4: thing is happening while she's away. When when when Heather
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  Speaker 4: Gay is blaming the black eye on her, like she's
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  Speaker 4: been gone for all this time.
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  Speaker 2: So when it came to Monica's iconic season, was she
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  Speaker 2: able to watch it and did she share her thoughts
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  Speaker 2: on Monica Garcia.
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  Speaker 4: I definitely asked her about Monica Garcia because I'm messy
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  Speaker 4: and I want to know about Monica Garcia, like I
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  Speaker 4: love Monica, I'm curious what her feelings about it were.
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  Speaker 4: And the first thing she said to me was Monica
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  Speaker 4: Garcia Garcia. I don't know Amonica Garcia. And she kept
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  Speaker 4: saying like I knew some Garcia's behind bars. But and
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  Speaker 4: then she was like, oh, Monica Fowler because remember Monica's
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  Speaker 4: name changed, So she was throwing a little subtle shade,
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  Speaker 4: which I you know, we like our Housewives a little shade,
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  Speaker 4: and then she sort of went back and said like ultimately,
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  Speaker 4: like I'm not going to give her any time of day,
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  Speaker 4: you know, I got a respect boundary, but would.
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  Speaker 3: Love a little more, would love a little more.
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  Speaker 4: I'm sure Monica will have something to say about it
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  Speaker 4: when she sees the clip.
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  Speaker 3: Absolutely, absolutely, absolutely.
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  Speaker 1: This is reality with the King and I'm Carlos King.
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  Speaker 3: Let's get back into the show. Did you watch any
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  Speaker 3: of the of the season gift thoughts on the show
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  Speaker 3: so far?
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  Speaker 4: She didn't watch it, but she was aware of everything
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  Speaker 4: that was happening. I did ask her about Andy's comments
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  Speaker 4: that he never wanted to see her again, and I
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  Speaker 4: thought that she handled that really diplomatically. You know. She said, listen,
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  Speaker 4: I was not able to speak once I pled guilty.
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  Speaker 4: My lawyers said, don't say anything because there's a distance
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  Speaker 4: between when you plead guilty to when you go and
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  Speaker 4: get sentenced to go to prison. This isn't like, you know,
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  Speaker 4: a crime where you're arrested for murder and you say
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  Speaker 4: I'm guilty and that you go to jail right away.
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  Speaker 4: There's this distance and anything that she was said, the
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  Speaker 4: federal government was tracking and they were put everything in
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  Speaker 4: their sentencing document. They were watching her every move, so
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  Speaker 4: any interview she gave they were going to use that
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  Speaker 4: against her in some capacity. That's why she stayed silent.
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  Speaker 4: And remember Andy wanted to do interviews with her. She
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  Speaker 4: didn't do any of that. So she recognizes that people
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  Speaker 4: have this portrait of her that they don't know the
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  Speaker 4: full thing. And that Andy, she said, I respect him.
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  Speaker 4: He can say whatever he wants, but he doesn't know me.
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  Speaker 4: He knows what he thinks about me, So I take
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  Speaker 4: it with a grain of salt. And that's sort of
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  Speaker 4: how she felt about the women in general. She was
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  Speaker 4: really open and looking to speak to them, possibly because
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  Speaker 4: she doesn't really hold on to the grudges of what
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  Speaker 4: had happened in the past. She doesn't even remember it right.
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  Speaker 4: She's been away from this experience for so long.
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  Speaker 3: Does she keep in touch with any of us all?
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  Speaker 4: Like City Housewives, She keeps in touch with Meredith, and
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  Speaker 4: Meredith has talked about this. I know too, but she
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  Speaker 4: said Meredith has been really consistent and that Meredith was always,
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  Speaker 4: you know, getting in touch with her while she was away,
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  Speaker 4: getting in touch with coach. Meredith and Seth stayed good
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  Speaker 4: friends to coach, so she really appreciated that. She also
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  Speaker 4: said that she reached out to maryam Cosby after Robert
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  Speaker 4: Junior died. She said she privately reached out to her
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  Speaker 4: because she felt like it was the respectful thing to do.
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  Speaker 4: So she mailed her card telling her how deeply sorry
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  Speaker 4: she was to hear about the passing of Robert Junior,
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  Speaker 4: and that you know, Mary was in her family's prayers
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  Speaker 4: every day, and she wanted to do that privately and
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  Speaker 4: not publicly. She want to post about it. She wanted
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  Speaker 4: to make it about her right, but she wanted Mary
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  Speaker 4: to know that you know, she really cares about her
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  Speaker 4: and is thinking of her. She hasn't spoken to Angie.
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  Speaker 4: She hasn't spoken to Heather, though she does say she
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  Speaker 4: wants to clear up things with Heather over that Black.
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  Speaker 3: Eye LESSI does she give you the exclusive of whether
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  Speaker 3: or not she did it.
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  Speaker 4: She did not give me an exclusive about whether or
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  Speaker 4: not she did it at that point. I will say
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  Speaker 4: we did talk for like over two hours, and at
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  Speaker 4: that point, when it was really the last set up
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  Speaker 4: questions and there was only so much I could push,
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  Speaker 4: I did ask her if she had any advice for
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  Speaker 4: Wendy Osepho because of course also going through a fraud case, right,
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  Speaker 4: So I asked her if she had any advice for
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  Speaker 4: Wendy and Eddie, and she said that while she's not
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  Speaker 4: spoken to them and doesn't really know the details of
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  Speaker 4: their crime, that her heart goes out to both of
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  Speaker 4: them going through this. She mentioned that they have younger children,
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  Speaker 4: and her advice was just saying to like, focus on
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  Speaker 4: what matters in your life, focus on what's you know,
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  Speaker 4: the right thing for your family, because at the end
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  Speaker 4: of your day, your children and your family are all
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  Speaker 4: that matters.
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  Speaker 2: She did she bring up anything about what's happening now
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  Speaker 2: with her and Coach and the kids, Like she back
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  Speaker 2: in the house and she's not allowed to leave the premises, right.
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  Speaker 4: So it's interesting she talked to me a lot about this.
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  Speaker 4: And this is really where you can see that Genshaw
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  Speaker 4: is different because she does wear an ankle monitor and
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  Speaker 4: you and I both know that these celebrities love to
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  Speaker 4: have their ankle monitors accessoriyes and and don't you think
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  Speaker 4: that if I would have told like, don't you think
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  Speaker 4: Jenshaw would do that?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, a whole Gucci, but dazzle logo exactly.
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  Speaker 4: But she told me that she's actually she feels a
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  Speaker 4: lot of shame towards it. She didn't want to have
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  Speaker 4: it photographed. She sort of hit it away, and she's
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  Speaker 4: she's like, I never thought that I would be somebody
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  Speaker 4: with an ankle monitor. I talked to her a lot
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  Speaker 4: about letting go of that shame, you know, she recognizes
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  Speaker 4: that it's part of the process. And when you're in this,
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  Speaker 4: when you get you know, God forbid you hopefully never
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  Speaker 4: have to do this. But when you're in the process
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  Speaker 4: of being in jail, everything is like a step, right.
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  Speaker 4: You have to do certain things to get here. When
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  Speaker 4: you go to jail, you have to do certain things
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  Speaker 4: to get your phone card. Like you're just sort of
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  Speaker 4: aware of the process. So she knows that this is
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  Speaker 4: like a key to the process. She's on home confinement,
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  Speaker 4: likely until August. It might be a little bit earlier
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  Speaker 4: that she'll be released. She won't know for sure. It's
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  Speaker 4: all based on good behavior. She has to get permission.
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  Speaker 4: She's still a member of prison, like I had to
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  Speaker 4: get permission for the Bureau of Prisons to have this
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  Speaker 4: conversation with her to begin with, And she essentially is
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  Speaker 4: allowed to go certain places on their approval, so she
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  Speaker 4: can go to religious services or things for work. I said, oh,
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  Speaker 4: so it's not like you're going to Target. She goes, No,
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  Speaker 4: I can go to Target. If she gets that approval,
• 18:36
  Speaker 4: she can go to do that to get you know,
• 18:40
  Speaker 4: hygiene products and various other things that she may need.
• 18:44
  Speaker 4: So she is that the boys are both out of
• 18:47
  Speaker 4: the house. Both of her kids are adults and in school,
• 18:52
  Speaker 4: so she's there with the dog and with Coach. She
• 18:56
  Speaker 4: did tell me that they were, you know, as I mentioned,
• 18:58
  Speaker 4: going through a really hard time when this was all starting,
• 19:01
  Speaker 4: but they've worked through those through they're shared renewal and
• 19:05
  Speaker 4: faith and really are I said to Coach because he
• 19:09
  Speaker 4: was there too, I said, a lot of other men
• 19:11
  Speaker 4: would have left, and I think it's pretty impressive that
• 19:15
  Speaker 4: they stood by one another.
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: You know that He.
• 19:17
  Speaker 4: Said that he wants to just love her through this,
• 19:19
  Speaker 4: and that's kind of what's happening. So she's really enjoying
• 19:23
  Speaker 4: her day. She's doing a lot of home improvement products
• 19:25
  Speaker 4: and projects in the households.
• 19:28
  Speaker 6: Okay, and she's like reveling in the simplicities of things
• 19:37
  Speaker 6: that she normally took for granted, making coffee, making the
• 19:40
  Speaker 6: bed right, doing the things that like she wasn't.
• 19:43
  Speaker 4: Able to do for so long. It's really shifted her
• 19:46
  Speaker 4: mindset and she's very dedicated to making things right. I
• 19:52
  Speaker 4: said to her, people are not going to be happy
• 19:53
  Speaker 4: that we're platforming the story. People are going to say
• 19:57
  Speaker 4: you shouldn't have the right to tell your story. People
• 19:59
  Speaker 4: are going to say, you know, I'll never forgive you,
• 20:03
  Speaker 4: and she was like, I know, they don't have to.
• 20:07
  Speaker 4: It was a definite distinction, and I'm really familiar with this,
• 20:10
  Speaker 4: like this distinction of making amends. Making amends is not
• 20:14
  Speaker 4: about getting someone to forgive you. Making amends is about
• 20:19
  Speaker 4: forgiving yourself. Ultimately about saying I want you to know
• 20:23
  Speaker 4: why I did this, that I'm sorry that I did this,
• 20:26
  Speaker 4: and that I've changed to be better, and you don't
• 20:29
  Speaker 4: have to forgive me. I'm doing that work for myself.
• 20:32
  Speaker 4: So it was revolutionary to talk to her. I was
• 20:35
  Speaker 4: not expecting this sort of a shift.
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: No, especially for two hours to talk about that.
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: So rain draws, please pick up a copy of this
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: is out today.
• 20:46
  Speaker 3: But they I got to ask you one last wait.
• 20:48
  Speaker 4: What can I give you a little bit more tea
• 20:51
  Speaker 4: absolutely okay. So I asked her. I was like, yo,
• 20:56
  Speaker 4: you know that when you went into prison, everyone was
• 20:59
  Speaker 4: wondering what your face was going to look like when
• 21:01
  Speaker 4: you came out, right, because like everyone was like, Wow,
• 21:04
  Speaker 4: her fillers and her botox is all going to dissolve,
• 21:07
  Speaker 4: and like, what's she going to look like? I am
• 21:09
  Speaker 4: telling you, Carlos, she looks incredible. You cannot tell. And
• 21:13
  Speaker 4: she goes, yep, I guess they didn't have any filler
• 21:15
  Speaker 4: or botox. Dude's like she was kind of like, see,
• 21:18
  Speaker 4: you thought that I was this, but she said that
• 21:21
  Speaker 4: her she was hoarding beauty products from commissary. She said
• 21:26
  Speaker 4: that she was running the ALTA at prison.
• 21:31
  Speaker 3: I can't Scam's empire girl in prison.
• 21:38
  Speaker 4: Pads for her face, laundry detergent. She had all the hairsprays.
• 21:45
  Speaker 4: She said, I thought they were running out of hairspray,
• 21:47
  Speaker 4: so I kept buying it. And she said that women
• 21:50
  Speaker 4: were like coming up to her being like, what's your
• 21:52
  Speaker 4: beauty routine? And she was like helping everyone out with that.
• 21:55
  Speaker 4: She was also teaching. She got her fitness certification to
• 21:59
  Speaker 4: be a certified Fitness instructor and she was teaching sha
• 22:03
  Speaker 4: amazing abs and she was to take this up teaching
• 22:10
  Speaker 4: a line dancing class, which she got Elizabeth Holmes to join,
• 22:14
  Speaker 4: and then she begged Elizabeth Holmes to join her step
• 22:18
  Speaker 4: dancing class because Jen of course was captain of the
• 22:21
  Speaker 4: step dance team, and Elizabeth was like, I'm going to
• 22:25
  Speaker 4: draw the line there, which, let's be honest, is the
• 22:28
  Speaker 4: best decision Elizabeth Holmes has ever made. Nobody wants to
• 22:31
  Speaker 4: see Elizabeth Holmes step dancing, not even in prison. So
• 22:37
  Speaker 4: it was it was filled with really interesting tidbits like that.
• 22:41
  Speaker 4: I just I really think that fans are going to
• 22:44
  Speaker 4: be interested, and I hope they'll be open to just listening. Look,
• 22:47
  Speaker 4: she don't have to. She did not get paid a
• 22:50
  Speaker 4: dime for this interview. So this was not about her
• 22:53
  Speaker 4: making money off of her story. It's about her having
• 22:56
  Speaker 4: the opportunity to tell it. And as a journalist, I
• 22:58
  Speaker 4: want to hear what your story is, and I sort
• 23:00
  Speaker 4: of hope that fans will give her a chance to listen.
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: Now listen, I'm the same way.
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: I think, at the end of the day, the job
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: of a journalist is to get the story you and
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: I grew up at a time where that's literally.
• 23:13
  Speaker 3: I was watching Barbara Watss doc.
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: On Hulu a few months ago, and the links that
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: she made to really laying the interview against her competitors,
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: whether it was Oprah, Diane Sawyer of the Men and
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: she spoke to world leaders, She's Oprah spoke to the
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: to the KKK, Mark Furman like, these were not about
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: choosing a side or giving us on a platform. It's
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: more about this person's in the news. I want to
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: ask some questions for the audience, and that's it, and
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: I think that's what we want to know, because no
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: one's excusing what Jinshaw has done. I've had my very
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: very very opinionated things about that. However, I still want
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: to know what she's up to and to hear more
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: about this too.
• 23:58
  Speaker 3: And I think that.
• 24:00
  Speaker 4: Bear, do you want to see her back on the show, Well,
• 24:04
  Speaker 4: this is.
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: The thing for me. I want to see her and
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: Monica back on the show. Listen.
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: While I understand that people may feel like you're being rewarded,
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: I do believe once you do the crime and the
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: time and you're released, then you are a citizen who
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: should go back to the workforce. I don't think you
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: should suffer by not working. I think if she's saying
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: that I owe you know, these people six million dollars,
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: I want those people to get their money back.
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: And if that means every paycheck she gets from her
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: housewives goes to them, then so be it. So I
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: would like to see her back on the show.
• 24:50
  Speaker 4: I also just like that you like chaos, I want
• 24:54
  Speaker 4: her and Monica you were like, let's.
• 24:56
  Speaker 3: Go wake it up, wake it up.
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: I mean, we need, we need something else to happen
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: on that show. And I just I just think it's
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: a step in the direction of listen. I do think there's,
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: of course, different cases where someone should not be back
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: on a show. I think in this case, once again,
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: the crime, the time she's released, and I think us
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: watching her being documented.
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: What that looks like. I would watch it.
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: I mean I would is she Well, let me ask
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: you this, does she want to get back on television?
• 25:39
  Speaker 4: I asked her if she would want to come back
• 25:40
  Speaker 4: to the show, and she gave me the very standard
• 25:43
  Speaker 4: like never say never, a sort of question. Obviously, it's
• 25:46
  Speaker 4: not her decision, she did say. I asked her how
• 25:49
  Speaker 4: she's making money. I asked her what she's planning on doing,
• 25:53
  Speaker 4: and she said that she's weighing her options right now
• 25:56
  Speaker 4: in a couple of projects within the media industry, in
• 26:00
  Speaker 4: the entertainment industry. So is it going to be a podcast,
• 26:03
  Speaker 4: is going to be a documentary? Is it going to
• 26:05
  Speaker 4: be another TV show? I don't know what it's going
• 26:07
  Speaker 4: to be, but a book, there's something obviously that she's
• 26:11
  Speaker 4: going to do with it. I guess we'll have to
• 26:14
  Speaker 4: wait and see. I don't think Bravo is knocking down
• 26:17
  Speaker 4: her door right now, but I also think that they're
• 26:20
  Speaker 4: probably waiting to see what she's like right because I'm
• 26:26
  Speaker 4: and how the fans receive her, because I'm not necessarily
• 26:29
  Speaker 4: sure they want to give I don't think they want
• 26:32
  Speaker 4: to be first to that. That situation, well, that.
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: Makes say is a huge gamble.
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: The thing about the Bravo audience, the housewives specifically, is
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: the fact that they're very opinionated and loud on social media. However,
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: they still want to know how this person is living.
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: And because look we saw with Karen Hugert who was
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: convicted of.
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: A DUI you know her her or fourth one.
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: And she served her time and when she came out,
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: they said come back now. Granted, people listen There's people
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: out there day who looked at Karen hug and said
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: she could have killed someone, right, and they won't ever
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: forgive her for that understandable. There's people out there who
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: look at Erica James saying, I don't think you should
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: be on TV because your husband's stole money from the
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: orphans and take those earrings back. In all these things,
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: she's still on the show. She hasn't been convicted of anything.
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: And then you have Jenshaw who got committed doing fraud
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: taking money away from the elderly, as we have now
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: learned specifically what that was. And I just think any
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: opportunity to judge, I just don't think that's fair when
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: other people have done something and they're back on their shows.
• 27:58
  Speaker 4: Yeah. No, I mean it's at the end of the day,
• 28:03
  Speaker 4: I just want good television, right, So ye give me,
• 28:06
  Speaker 4: give me something good, right. And that's and that's how
• 28:10
  Speaker 4: I feel about all of these shows. When I hear
• 28:11
  Speaker 4: that Miami is on pause, like, I'm bummed about that
• 28:14
  Speaker 4: because I want Miami on my TV screens, but I
• 28:18
  Speaker 4: also want it to be a good show. Yeah, And
• 28:21
  Speaker 4: I understand, like, oh, maybe I can't have Miami and
• 28:24
  Speaker 4: my TV screens. If Alexia is still with what's this bucket?
• 28:29
  Speaker 4: Who's suing the right, who's suing the network? So like, okay,
• 28:33
  Speaker 4: well that's not going to work.
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: How are you going to show her real life?
• 28:37
  Speaker 4: If he's that that's not going to make sense. And
• 28:40
  Speaker 4: there are certain people in their mix who they don't
• 28:42
  Speaker 4: have the right cast, and it's like you kind of
• 28:44
  Speaker 4: have to wait for them to figure it out. I
• 28:47
  Speaker 4: can be patient for maybe there to be a boomerang
• 28:49
  Speaker 4: opportunity for her in the future, or maybe she'll go
• 28:52
  Speaker 4: somewhere else, or.
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: Maybe yeah, yeah, listen. At the end of the day,
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: what we can't deny is Jenshaw. It is amazing to television.
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: At one point in time, she was literally the face
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: of that particular franchise, and based on what you're saying
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: to me, it does appear that she has become somebody
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: that is different. And I also think, look, any opportunity
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: to see some growth in a person that served time
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: behind bars, I would like to see that, and then
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: and then from there, I think we can say whether
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: or not we believe it, but it sounds to me
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: like you were there, you got to change to talk
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: to for two hours and you see a difference in
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: her than what was on the show.
• 29:38
  Speaker 4: I see a difference in her, for sure than the
• 29:40
  Speaker 4: person that I had seen on TV. Whether or not
• 29:44
  Speaker 4: I believe her even is sort of not something I've
• 29:47
  Speaker 4: even spent time thinking about, because I'm just like, I'm
• 29:50
  Speaker 4: so good at I'm so good at compartmentalizing that and saying,
• 29:55
  Speaker 4: these are the facts, and these are this is her
• 29:58
  Speaker 4: story and her facts, and these facts may be different,
• 30:02
  Speaker 4: but they both validity in this case.
• 30:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, wow, Well, Dave, my friend, thank you so much
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: for this exclusive And once again, how can people pick
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: up this copy and read about it?
• 30:14
  Speaker 4: Oh my gosh. So it's People's on newsstands now and
• 30:18
  Speaker 4: you can check it out at people dot com or
• 30:19
  Speaker 4: on our Instagram page or TikTok, you know all that stuff.
• 30:22
  Speaker 4: You figure that out online. But we have so much stuff.
• 30:25
  Speaker 4: There's so many stories to this, and it's a long interview.
• 30:28
  Speaker 4: I think we're going to publish the whole transcript too,
• 30:30
  Speaker 4: so you can really read through. We are keeping the
• 30:34
  Speaker 4: kids fed.
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: Yes, feed me, beed me, feed me beed me?
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: Yes. Well, Dave, you know I love you so much
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: and I'm so happy that you share this exclusive with
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: me and Range Jobs. Go pick up a copy today
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: and Dave, I'll see you next time.
• 30:50
  Speaker 4: All right, now, shut this down so we can real
• 30:52
  Speaker 4: gassa okay.
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