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Occcultinarium - EP 13 - Lynn, the Shaman · OCCULTINARIUM

• Lynn: Hello and welcome to tonight's episode of the Occultinarium We the voices ⁓ of Occultinarium and your hosts are... HEAL: Adriana Luigi: Luigi Amelie: Amelie Lynn: Lynn. Tonight we're bringing you another episode of our of interviews. So we shall interview another one of our hosts and tonight it's going to be this one. So, ⁓ well and I don't know the question is gonna be blind, ⁓ half blind. ⁓ So HEAL: you Amelie: Tonight is Lynn's turn. Luigi: Welcome. HEAL: you Lynn: Shoot away. Amelie: Well, I have the first question and I guess this question is because I know you a little bit as well. question is because I know that you are a shamanic soul and shamanic spirit and you're into that. And was kind of wondering ⁓ if, this is something that you would consider maybe ⁓ at some point teaching people like runes and like more about shamanism and your experience and what it actually is and how it can kind of help you in your spirituality. Lynn: Mm. a good question. ⁓ I mean, what I share with Adriana is that we are both Taurus's and we are supposed to like to teach and be good teachers and I have been a teacher for six years. So it's close to the heart in a sense. But what like for me personally, what I find, let's say maybe an obstacle ⁓ is I don't Amelie: I'm Lynn: ever believe that whatever I do is like the ⁓ true path or the one true thing. So I can teach things and open to teaching things. have given like short courses or like, you know, ⁓ for drum journeys and journeying and getting like us like to start with that. How do you do a shaman journey? Like small things like that. ⁓ And could absolutely do it in a bigger thing. But for one, I'm really bad at marketing myself as anything. So I'm like, come here, here I am. I am a teacher. I can teach you things. You know that that is true. But like I don't do the signpost stuff. So that is a bit in the way. then that, you know, I do things my way. the way that I would be teaching is like, OK, I do it this way. You can do it another way. But this works for me, you know, but I'm not like wouldn't be able to do. very well with people who would see me as like you're the one person who knows this and nobody else knows it so you are my guru or something like that would be like yeah that would be something like no no please please read other things you know so a way I would consider it but ⁓ my life so far and how things have worked out with like teaching spiritual things I don't I I wouldn't put myself out on a poster you know to ⁓ HEAL: ⁓ no. No. Lynn: probably unless maybe you know when I'm 60 or like you know I'd have nothing else to do maybe then ⁓ but if people were to approach me and know this about me and be like hey can you tell me about it can you teach me about it then I'm always open for that so in that way I guess yes Amelie: you I think that's a very healthy way to look at it. Lynn: hope so. ⁓ Luigi: Agree. And probably the marketing bit, it's something that we can all recognize ourselves. I know, maybe one or two of us are more prolific, you know, better at it than others. I'm talking about you, Amelie. Yeah. mistress of the web. Amelie: ⁓ yeah. Lynn: You say that it's like apricorn. Hmm. HEAL: Let's call it Emily. Luigi: But that's a topic for another day. So my question for you, Lynn, thank you for answering the first question. Oh, I had it. Okay, so basically, feel free to give, depending on what you feel comfortable sharing, feel free to give one or two or even three examples, choice is yours. But who and or what is your biggest, enormous, source of inspiration? Who do you go to? Who and or what? Because it could be like people being, but it could also be like a topic, know, like somebody, my what can be the fridge, like my source of inspiration is nutrition and kebab and whatnot. So what does your heart go to? know, what does your heart go to every time to seek inspiration, renewal, novelty, curiosity? Lynn: One, two, three. That is a tricky question. I'm so happy it's dark here so nobody can see me blushing. very question because I remember when I was younger we had to write this essay on... ⁓ HEAL: Yeah. Luigi: Yeah Lynn: who we look up to, for example. And I felt like everybody in the room knew exactly what to write because everybody had like, there's like some star or their parents or something. And I was just like empty. Like I had no human being that I could, and it sounds like, I don't know, sad or broken or not like how a person should work. I had nobody in mind. at first that I was looking up to, I would use as a source. ⁓ similar in the way that you're asking, I feel. So draw blanks when people ask me that when it comes to human beings. I really to go in my brain and I ⁓ sit there 10 minutes and then think who ⁓ is an to me. I mean, there are certain people who are like very artsy that inspire me in how they're doing their art. Like some of my favorite artists like Stephanie Law, for example, inspire me in how they're involved in their art and how they're just immersed themselves. So I could say that, know, certain artists, they have a way to inspire me. But on a ⁓ scheme, it's really more like the supernatural entities that I'm entangled with. For past few years, at least, that's been a big, big source of my inspiration. And, and that is, I it was actually kind of funny, I came to a tiny little anecdote, because it didn't come the way that I thought it would come. I had a few years ago, ⁓ I because I had like a big like, right, I write, I'm a writer, right. And I had a huge writer block that I've been having for many, many years. And I've tried, you know, to put it back into rituals and try to like, go to some guardians or guides that I knew back then or just ask who can help me with this and it's it stayed stuck and then I remember that I connected shortly to a certain deity that was supposed to be very connected to poems and poetry and all that and I was like maybe that one can help me I like I don't don't trust him still don't trust that one So that didn't happen and then boom, boom, boom, things happened. And then my guardian is constantly or most of the time triggering me into writing. Like, I don't know how many thousands of words I've written since that started that I realized that he triggers a lot of that. So that is to be very, very, very honest. That is my major source of inspiration. a being, know. ⁓ it's I have. That is ⁓ obviously big inspiration. But you said specifically beings or people. that... Woo It got woo woo right from the start. Thank you for the question. ⁓ Amelie: Hahaha Luigi: No, that's very powerful. Thank you. And obviously we know a bit about who you're referring to, but maybe something that can be explored if it needs to be explored at another time. So thank you for that. HEAL: you Lynn: Yeah, thank you. I'm like, ⁓ this is a scary question. Let's go. You got to face the scary stuff. It's just like, you go. It's like, OK. Amelie: Thank you for opening up so much. HEAL: Yeah. Hahaha! Luigi: Ha HEAL: Ha Luigi: Keep you on your toes. HEAL: Okay. Okay. Luigi: Maybe I'll go into journalism going forward. HEAL: Yeah. Lynn: realistic. HEAL: dear Lynn, do you think that accepting your belief and spirituality is helping you? And if so, ⁓ is helping towards to what you want? ⁓ is the thing that you feel that is taking you this spiritual path of yours? Lynn: No. No. Yes, so first of all, definitely. mean, there's several spiritual paths, I guess you could say that I'm on or have been on or whatnot, but it's definitely helped me. mean, it was the thing that has helped me in my life. And I went on a really dark period and I was going through what people call the shaman death. ⁓ was the shamanic way that helped me through it. I mean, and everything that I do that is spiritual, I'm so interwoven. I feel like I'm so interwoven with it now. Although sometimes I'm still thinking like I'm not interwoven with it enough, know, like when just life hits you and, you know, there's phases where I'm just like, it doesn't seem to be that active or that there, if you know what I mean, like I get ⁓ out of it. But in in like all this all the paths, all the spirituality, the things that I'm doing, helps I would say, ⁓ sustain kind ⁓ of answering very intuitively right now, but it helps to sustain ⁓ myself, that again, right? And it helps me stay true to whatever feel is truthful it helps me. I'm not sure we're supposed to hold on to anything. We're probably not, you know, depends on which party you're going. ⁓ it helps me hold on or anchor myself something and also propels me forwards because it's through that that I learn most ⁓ about myself about what I perceive reality and so on. that I learn through the spiritual path and the spiritual teachings that I receive. So I feel that that is evolvement and development and like you might say evolution. That's what I get through my spiritual paths. So it helps me evolve, it helps me learn, it helps me reflect, it helps me see things I haven't seen before about my own nature as well. HEAL: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Lynn: So I guess that's what I HEAL: That's lovely, thank you. So yes, so you find that is for you and it's taking you towards something that you don't know yet what it is, but it's in the right path. Lynn: Yeah, no question. It feels when it feels right. Yeah, so it's pushing me towards yes. HEAL: Yes. Luigi: trust our feelings. Lynn: Show us your feet. Amelie: My next question is, and I find it might be not extremely interesting, but find it very interesting ⁓ I was thinking like Tarot, ⁓ Tarot practice. Like ⁓ would you like to be ⁓ let's say around like a year's time in your Tarot practice? Lynn: Hmm. ⁓ yeah, that is that's the marketing thing again because I would like to be to be ⁓ famous ⁓ Oslo tarot witch every every weekend or something. I mean, I don't necessarily have to be that in a year, but I would kind of like to. I would like it, but I'm not taking the Amelie: Ha ha ha. Lynn: practical steps to get there because I'm not connecting with people. I don't know any people and everybody here is just so... Oslo is very... People are very closed off and if you don't have people... Like if you don't know people, you're not getting anywhere. So it's like... making progress with knowing people with some of the, you know, friends that I... ⁓ ⁓ ⁓ with and I have had the chance last year. to actually participate in a kind of a ⁓ spiritual, half like a music kind of festival where I was invited to, well, practice healing or terror. And I was like, ⁓ yeah, I'll do terror because I was mostly comfortable, most comfortable with that and wanted to challenge myself to read for people that I don't know. You know, face to face, like I would in any practice. I read for friends and people I know like so often. but complete strangers, right? I got my foot in there and I feel that if I just do this more often and I have more such opportunities, I will grab all the opportunities I get and then I just be very famous in like five years times. It's me. moonwingstarot.com. moonwings or on Instagram. Amelie: I just to know like, do you want read more for other people? ⁓ Or if it was because that there wasn't enough things going on where you you know? ⁓ So maybe we have to take it onto the internet as well, you know? what I'm saying. ⁓ Lynn: Mm. Yeah, yeah. Totally. I really do want to, but I also see logically there's so much going on in my life and I'm a person who needs a lot of own space so it really has to just happen when I'm okay with it because I do so much. I so many projects and so many both extrovert and introvert projects so I wouldn't do it as a main thing because I have a job that I very much and that is 100 % full-time. ⁓ stuff. So I wouldn't want to have clients every day, know, that's it would be a bit. Yeah. But, something. HEAL: Mm. Amelie: If you're a very, very special person and you really would like to have a reading with Lynn. Lynn: ⁓ recommend it. No, yeah, I really love doing it. Luigi: Link below. think that would be an interesting topic at some point as well, like not to bring out more ideas, but you know, like do introverts and extroverts, you know, how do we interact with the spiritual world, with this ⁓ world, who knows? ⁓ But thank you. My question for you now, Lynn, it's a bit controversial, so hopefully we don't lose any, depending on the answer, hopefully we don't lose any subscribers or something. Lynn: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Luigi: We don't get blocked or who knows. Basically, I don't fully know. This is the problem with my questions. I don't fully know. I know what I want to ask, but I don't know how to formulate it. If it's a thorough question, fine. But when it comes to like exploring other people, it's a bit more nuanced. So you had the opportunity to shape the world, you know, if ⁓ your own ⁓ preference. And talking about, you know, like how is he run? Lynn: you Luigi: the education system, the employment system, and whatever other system you can think of. No judgment, this is a safe space, hopefully. I know we have the internet, but would ⁓ run the world? What would Lynn's world be run like, in much detail as you can provide us? Lynn: So much judgment. So much judgment. Amelie: Be controversial, please. Lynn: Wow. ⁓ my goodness. Okay, so first of all, I'm not a political person. would say whatsoever. So I'm not involved with general politics and I do not ⁓ very well how the systems work. What I do feel and experience is the systems do not work for the small people whatsoever. So first of I do not want to run the world. I don't. HEAL: You Lynn: I will gladly support people who do. first of all, we're thing subscribers now because we're a spiritual channel. So all the subscribers, matriarchy or at least down with the patriarchy. That's the first thing. Patriarchy is not, okay, my opinion, you asked for my opinion. Patriarchy is doing anybody any good. Not men, not women, not any person in the world. It's all built on dominance and it's all built on power structure. and it's all built on suffocating people ⁓ want, what people really are and so on and so on. Down that stuff. I don't know if it's ever going to be that matriarchy actually comes back because we had it and we've had it for many thousands of years. And ⁓ the of matriarchy has in the broader sense and ⁓ in longest sense been ⁓ nourishing, have been much less wars, very little of that. It's been all more about supporting each other and nourishing each other. And that is what we all can see in the world that is lacking. So I don't know if that ever would come back or if you get something completely new, like if you go into Thelema right, the believing we're getting something else. And that might be the robotic revolution. We don't know, right. we definitely need a change in it's run because People are suffering and it's only the top 1 % of all people on the planet who are having fun. I mean, we can have fun on the small scale, right? But it's the people in power who are keeping the power and who keeping the world run. I mean, we can also say it's all just a game and doesn't matter, right? But that ⁓ was the question. And down the giants ⁓ and raise up people. what I'm saying. ⁓ nourishing, be nice to each other, be kind, know, forget about wars. In my ideal world also there would be lot less human beings living, there we go. More nature, you know, more nature and I, there would be a promotion of animism, you know, having more respect for things that are alive, being more open to what actually is seen as alive. Luigi: Hahaha Lynn: communicating more with everything, not talking, but communicating. There's a difference. ⁓ Re-learning that. Yeah. Connecting back to ⁓ or, you know, our surroundings, nature, the Earth world. Luigi: Yeah, true. Lynn: I'm not saying like, you know, like nature, like, we're flying, we're running through the flowers and the fields and all that. I mean, that is great, too, but really just our core. We are connected to. much and we like continuously being bombarded by so many superficial things that don't care so many things that ⁓ the up there, the one percent make us believe is important and we're losing our heads over it and we're losing our life force over it. ⁓ Like people say that time is money but time is not I don't remember who said it. I'm quoting somebody I don't remember who is. ⁓ he said time is not money. Time is your life. Literally the time ⁓ spend in ⁓ job you don't like. ⁓ That the time ⁓ of life that you're ⁓ giving something that doesn't deserve it. Yeah, so ⁓ that's Luigi: lot to take in but that's the world that I will sign up to as much as far as you described it I would be like yeah I would welcome that world I would welcome that world and I think the best way to summarize the correct me if I'm wrong so yeah a return of the matriarchy versus the patriarchy and an elevation of people an elevation for kindness and mutual respect and mutual nurturing but also a observation and devotion and ⁓ Lynn: Mmm. Mmm. It's good. Luigi: nature, for the earth and for everything that is alive. Lynn: that be wonderful? ⁓ Might be coming. Yeah. Luigi: It's coming. It might be coming. Thank you. Thank you for answering that. Amelie: I guess next question is very close to what you've been talking about because next question is like what is your world view? ⁓ it goes really hand in hand there. HEAL: That was beautiful. Lynn: Yeah, well, and no, because that is kind of my ideal way of how the world would be run. My I'm a bit of a different angles, how I... So because here now I'm going a bit more like with the shaman eyes again. So ⁓ obviously I no idea how the world or reality and all that actually works. I do not know. Right. ⁓ But what tend to or what I tend towards and also like with my spiritual practice or what I think sometimes is true. Well, first of all, it's like I don't it's like a lot of things could be true at the same time. But I experience that or what I think that the world as we see it, what we call the real world is like ⁓ thing. And then we have over or underlying versions of that, like say for example a blueprint. There's like a blueprint of this world which is the exact same but it's the same or magical and that is in some techniques that in one of my Shaman schools that we do is that if we want to change things in this material world that we're having, we can go into the blueprint world that looks exactly the same and we change it there. And that will change the material world as well. Small magic here for everybody. ⁓ the blueprint thing. But then I also ⁓ like there's other kinds of worlds or layers that we do not as we normal like normal people or if you go with our eyes closed or whatever, do not perceive or do not see so often, but runs in a sense parallel to ours, I think, is where all these beings we HEAL: Mm. Lynn: can communicate with some of us where they reside. you know, whether space is actually existing, space and time, you know, I know. And whether, if this is ⁓ the Earth, and then the parallel is also here, or it's just everything is the same. I I don't ⁓ right? But when I into a different reality, it could be could be different things like I have there's so many worlds because again right so many worlds that I could step into like just the blueprint thing but that is not always so interesting well different worlds where different beings reside and I suppose there's also a layer where you can access your own development or your own soul's development. So say like past lives, for example, like stuff like that. these might all be like kind of parallel things that drawn at the same time. But again, I think that time ⁓ a concept that we don't really understand or ⁓ weird. yeah, I ⁓ that answered. ⁓ very confusing. HEAL: Yes, I think you were talking. So you were talking about quantum jumping and so that is fascinating and I think that is amazing and that they'll be able to trigger things in other parallels, you know, be able to bring that experience towards these realities in order to trigger the changes. And I found that fascinating and I wish, you know, I would be there yet, still work to do. So yeah. Lynn: Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's very quantum. Mm. Mm. HEAL: I think, we all have like parallel, you know, very similar things in our lives and that is making, you know, realize now that we hear from somebody else that we are in a similar path or, you know, we have similar experiences. So it's evident, that the spirituality has helped you and has ⁓ gives you a little bit more sense of integrity and honesty to your own self. Where do you find yourself now in your path of self-realization? Do you know who you are or what you are? Lynn: Yes and no. So ⁓ a good sense ⁓ of myself. I a good of myself and what is truthful to myself in a way. I know to trust my ⁓ own awareness of stuff. Which is when you have to deal with people. who are, for example, narcissists, who just happen and try to change your worldview or your perception of things. And. Yeah, so ⁓ very I feel I'm I'm very steadfast in in who I but the time, ⁓ who I am Changes or it moves, it's not stable. So. I feel like I know myself very well, but I'm not limiting my own or I don't want to limit my own being to what I know that I am. ⁓ that is obviously where a lot of clash comes in because my ⁓ and my awareness and I'm like, ⁓ I am like this and then ⁓ else or somebody can give me the input of like, no, but try that instead. I'm like, no, but I can't do that. Right. So I have obviously there's a lot of resistance. to certain changes or breaking through that. And it's always a very psychological as well. There might be like trauma and blockages that everybody has and I have them as well. And my helped me with that in not a gentle way. It's sometimes like, ⁓ just ⁓ to, jump now. ⁓ or I'll slap you, you know. I don't always love that. But when I do go with it, then I come out a different self. ⁓ in way, yes, I know myself, but I also I do not know who I'm going to be. I think the essence of myself is very strong, like because I still remember myself as a child. And in a lot of ways, I'm still true. to who I used to be as a child. So I feel like this essence of myself is very ⁓ necessarily linear, but it's very strong maybe if that's the right word. I can sense that. And everything around is like wobbly and ⁓ can of change. But what I am, don't know either I have obviously there's names and there's words that I can use. And all of these names and words collapse me, if you're thinking quantum again, like collapse me into that thing. So if I say I'm a witch, you know, then I collapse myself into a witch. And I like that because I like that word. I can also say I'm a dog trainer. And then everybody sees me as a dog trainer and imagines me as like me with doggies. And it's another thing. Yeah. And I can say I'm a vet tech and then people see me, oh, yeah, you're working with animals. And I'm like, yeah, but I'm also like a shaman and I'm also, I'm also a writer. HEAL: Mm. Lynn: And some of these things go hand in hand, well together, but not necessarily all of them. So there's a lot of these things, right? And they're all collapse and a collapse helps in a way to form something, but it also makes things very narrow. sometimes ⁓ don't even know if I'm a human being because also sometimes I present as a human being, right? I but. HEAL: Mm. Lynn: also sometimes it's just like, what is a human being? We just weird things that we recognize each other by skin sacks. is how we recognize each other. I wear a sack of skin and you know this sack of skin is Lynn, but you don't even know my skeleton ⁓ or my right? ⁓ So it's it's just weird. life is fucking weird. ⁓ HEAL: Yes. Luigi: Very fair observation. HEAL: Hehehehehe Lynn: Reality is weird. Yeah. Yeah. Luigi: Ain't that the truth? So speaking of is weird, ⁓ of which, ⁓ I am coming back with the controversial questions. ⁓ do you not believe in? Lynn: Mm. Yes. Right, yeah. We always talk about what we believe in and so on. do we not believe in? Again, I mean, it's the same that I do not, it's the other side of the coin, right? Or when I say that ⁓ don't think that only one thing is true, you know, like maybe everything can be true at the same time. But again, I have a tendency towards believing something to be more ⁓ than another thing. And the things that I as myself right now do not really believe in. now I'm going just into like the ⁓ not necessarily. I don't believe in the power structure and I don't believe that, you know, it's not I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about the the spiritual ⁓ or So I don't believe in black and white things. Really? A lot of my some of my practices, they talk a lot about like light beings and we're like the of light and stuff. And some people call say angels and not, you know, and this light and darkness thing. I do recognize the concepts of light and darkness. I the concepts, but I don't believe ⁓ in as much as people ⁓ want ⁓ So that you know, HEAL: Yeah Lynn: Obviously people think that light is good and dark is bad. And I absolutely do not believe that. I've always had a very fast, a fascination for things that were considered dark without, you know, like not, you know, slaughterhouse kind of murder, blah, blah, dark, you know, but just things that are creepy or, or, or considered dangerous or scary or whatnot. Luigi: I'm just kidding. Lynn: And even in in shamanic practices like the old school practices like from the 60s, like the first books that are written from like Western people, there when they're like describing how to journey into the other world, for example, ⁓ what to do or what not to do. It's it's a lot of fear based stuff. I find like there's ⁓ one because everybody will know what I'm talking about and also because he's like the first pioneer in shamanism, a white person who wrote this book. But anyway, he's like, if you meet something in the other world has red eyes, do not engage, ⁓ around. You know, this is bad. But what would Lynn do? And she goes into the other world and she sees like a being that has fangs and dark and is dark and has red eyes and seems scary. I'm like, OK, who are you? know, and I'm Na-ee, I'm not like, oh, how are you? Right? I mean, I feel the fear or I feel like there is something that is scary. But I have learned. I've had that, obviously, I've had as a child, I was terrified of things. You know, there were things that I said there was a learning process. I've not I wasn't born like this. Right. But in my learning process, I have learned there was a switch when I was just stopping myself from being like, oh, shit, this is bad. I was just like, hmm. But is it? And there was really like this experience where I met something and this something was really threatening me. And you can just imagine like a big monster with fangs and claws. And it's like, I'm going to rip you apart. I will kill you. I will. You know, and it was really in my face and everything was like saying, I get the fuck away. Call guardians, whatever, protect yourself. And and I'm like, and then I just stood still. HEAL: you Yes. Lynn: And I just let it do the things because I knew like it couldn't, it wouldn't hurt me. you know, you know, was just, I was just being not, I was just testing things. I was just being rebellious. And then it was really like, know, and then it stopped. And then it just looked at me. And then it just, and it was quiet. And then after, I don't know, 10 minutes, we had a conversation. HEAL: You Luigi: Mmm. Lynn: And is ever since then, but that is how I approach things, beings. That seems scary. Like I have learned it. That ⁓ so, know, I walk on the dark path ⁓ means me that I am not or like the chaos which part in means also that that I do not believe in this ⁓ dark is and, you know, blah, blah, blah, blah. I engage with things. on on a polite respectful way and I have I mean you know I can get slapped on the wrist you know it might happen but so far the beings that I have encountered even those that were scary if you are if I or whatever not try this at home kids but if you are if you are polite and respectful and if you Luigi: Hahaha Lynn: you're secure in your practice, if you secure yourself, like if I done this as a 10 year old person, I would have, I would not have worked, I think I would have been poor. But if you, if you're strong in your practice and you know, you feel protected and without having to put up shields or whatever, you know, it's like, just engage ⁓ on respectful level. And even, I mean, even folk tales tell you that. Luigi: Mm. Lynn: Although folktales also mean to scare you, right? But it's for example with the fey. Do not be impolite to the fey because they're going to fuck you up. ⁓ whole idea is that you treat other beings, especially ⁓ beings with respect and see in. feel like because we as human beings, have this tendency to ⁓ or we in the Luigi: Mm. Lynn: traditions, feel we have learned the Abrahamic slash patriarchy, you know that we have to dominate. We are the best. We are the superior. We are the supreme. Like this whole thing. I don't buy in that. You know, I don't believe in that. That is more like the animist that we are part of a network. We are part of something. We are not bigger or smaller, like not less or more important than an ant and people will not like this. Right. But like that. HEAL: Yes. Lynn: everything has, you know, it's part. And like that, if you communicate with something to be humble, but not humble. Also, I feel not like humble, like, I'm so small and you know, just stand in your power and stand in what you are, but recognize the other as something that is at very least on the same level. Although I always feel like I'm on a much lower level with anything otherworldly. HEAL: Mm. Lynn: So I'm like, I'm there. I know I'm sending my power, but I'm just a tiny human being. So in front of you, I'm basically nothing, you know, with that kind of, that is my in a way, in there, if that makes sense. Luigi: That was, it does, it was a very rich answer. I don't wanna add more ingredients to the soup, but I think, because you touched base on the and shadow, good and evil, ⁓ so forth. It would be interesting, maybe not now, but it would be interesting in the future to discuss how these principles affect ⁓ for instance, and the media. ⁓ Lynn: haha Thank Hmm. Hmm. Luigi: Only because when you spoke about it, it made me think of the Lord of the Rings. But we can talk about it in another time. I just wanted to vocalize it so that I remember it and hopefully if I forget it, maybe you guys will remember it, but I'll write it down. But yeah, thank you. That was a very rich... you. ⁓ organized, proper tours. ⁓ that was a very rich journey down what you not believe in and I will take note of it today. Lynn: I'll make a note. HEAL: I have the last question, Lynn. I hear you talking about this process and how you relate to other entities and being, is that your shamanic path and how it has changed you, how to interact? How is your shamanic path? What is the thing that you have found in yourself that has changed you? Lynn: ⁓ Thank you. I squashed on the surface. It has changed everything. So basically, it was really the big trigger points in my life, in my spiritual experience. was triggered, or not rather triggered, but... HEAL: No. Lynn: don't know what the word is, but if you light something on fire, you gasoline on it and then you put the fire and then it happens, or the snowball effect. Or if go into the ice, the snowballs happened when I started my journey on the shamanic which I was thrown into out of necessity because otherwise I would have died, I would have not survived. ⁓ HEAL: Yes. How long have you been on the shamanic path? Lynn: Since 2011. So 15 years. Yeah, ⁓ 15 years. ⁓ I've always been ⁓ in the spiritual and I've, you know, pursued or tried to pursue it. But I've never been like, you know, I've never been like a weekend kind of, you know, making potions or I it's not. I've a pagan before I was a shaman. So I was like interacting with deities and beings. HEAL: Okay, so 15 years, yes. Lynn: I did that to a certain degree, but never as strongly as when I learned how to, basically. So, I mean, on a very practical level, what it did is it changed my entire worldview, because before it, I knew of certain things and people talk about it and, know, shaman and nana and other worlds and doodoodoo. And I knew of it. and I mean I was practicing meditation lot so I you know changes of awareness was familiar to me, familiar ground but ⁓ the when you do it with a certain purpose ⁓ to with a certain goal as you do when you do shaman journeys you're very aware of what you're doing and for me it's very vivid when things happen like I have a very people do this have very different ways of perceiving things. Like some people see colors and they understand colors and some people get sounds and I'm very, very strongly visual. I see things in extreme also when I sleep. So anyway, I can see the grains of sand or I can touch the walls and feel the wood and stuff in my dreams. ⁓ But maybe it's even, I'm not even dreaming. I don't know, right? ⁓ Different thing. ⁓ so how ⁓ to interact with other worlds, ⁓ the fact that they are fact, right? But for my reality, right? It's a fact ⁓ there are other worlds and that you can interact with them and how to do so and that you can travel into these worlds. ⁓ just obviously turned my whole life around because as a child and growing up, I always wanted to meet, you know, the fairies and the unicorns and the dragon. HEAL: Thank Lynn: I was like, I believe, I believe, I've just never met them. And I've not met all of these things, but I can say that my life has become richer. And of course people can say, are you just making it up? But I'm past that now. It's like, yeah, maybe I'm making it up. But there are so many things I can't explain with making it up anymore. It doesn't matter because I think even if you think you're making it up, if it has an effect on you. that changes you to something better, it really matter if making it up, ⁓ because don't know what's, ⁓ but my reality, my reality changed because I realized there's other worlds and I can access them, not just that it's some fantasy, although, know, maybe it is, ⁓ but not just some fantasy, I can access it, I can walk other worlds. And that is what I do now, not but Often tap into the other side and I talk to beings there, specifically my guardian very often because he won't let me alone. ⁓ OK. I don't want him to leave me alone. So it's fine. But, know, it's very, it's very active and it's very rich ⁓ and very giving and very replenishing. And it's also very nurturing. Amelie: You Lynn: Like I feel protected without not the need of like I have shields and spares, but I just feel let's say not protected, but I say I feel held I belong. HEAL: Yes. That's a beautiful thing. Thank you, Lynn. You have opened a beautiful window for us, full of love and magic. Thank you. Lynn: Thank you. Thank you. Although I'm not all of that. I can curse everybody. I just pretend I'm nice. you heard it between the words because I talk to dark beings and dark things that scare me. So clearly I must be an evil witch. So there you go. Thank for all the questions. Yes. Luigi: Haha Mm. Thank you. Lynn: This is very weird being interviewed and then jumping back into, okay! This concludes. I think that was a lot of questions. Thank you very much. I did not really know where this was going to go, but feel like I ⁓ things that true to what I would have liked to say. So thank you everybody. Amelie: I was just thinking about that. ⁓ Luigi: Hahaha Amelie: I think this is the beauty of episodes in general because maybe kind of winging it in a way, but that's the beauty of it because you get the true answer on spot kind of thing ⁓ rather than that is rehearsed. Yeah, so it's just very real and honest ⁓ and I that. Luigi: Good. Lynn: you Yeah, you put people on the spot. Yeah, HEAL: Okay people, so put out the lights, like us, like us, please. Put the lights. And if you don't like it, don't say anything. ⁓ Luigi: Power of the Culinary, know. Lynn: Yes. Like, comment below. Oh, it's fine. Just put on a scale from zero to 100 how crazy you think I am. will like everything that's above the 50 % pack. Yeah, like, comment, subscribe. And well. Luigi: Move forward. HEAL: you Luigi: You Lynn: You can check me out on Moonwings Tarot on Instagram and other places as a starter. Or if you want to collapse me into the writer, then that is Lynn Payne writes on WordPress and on Blue Sky. Love you. Thank you for tonight's episode. Here we go again. A love and light and darkness. Well, good night. HEAL: Thank Amelie: ⁓ there you go again. HEAL: Good night. Lynn: And buy us a coffee! You can also buy us a coffee if you like us just a little bit, you know, it's a dollar or two or whatnot. Throw it in there if you want. It's an option. Blessed... Yes, exactly. Euros, whatever. Okay, bye, good night. Good night, everybody. Blessed be you. Luigi: Blessings to all. HEAL: One pound or two pounds, Yeah, or euros. Yes. Bye-bye. Bye-bye. ⁓ Luigi: Hahaha Amelie: Good night, bye. Bye.