Latest / Mini Scroll / MINI SCROLL: JoJo Siwa & Kath Ebbs split, Anna Paul update, Chris Olsen called out by ex, AO3 fanfic backlash + more
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- 0:00Hi everyone. Welcome to Mini Scroll, the
- 0:03daily Internet. Culture Podcast.
- 0:05Bringing you the. Biggest stories from social
- 0:07media The creator. Economy and the digital space
- 0:10Every Monday through Thursday, I'm your host, Lauren Meisner,
- 0:14the founder of the youth digital media brand Centennial.
- 0:18World. Welcome back to Mini Scroll
- 0:20everyone. I hope you guys had a good long.
- 0:23Weekend, If you're here in Australia like I am, we need to
- 0:26get right into. It because I have 5 stories.
- 0:28The first story that I have for you guys is that JoJo Siwa has
- 0:32split from Australian influencer.
- 0:34Kath ebbs amid Chris. Hughes.
- 0:37Speculation from the celebrity. Big Brother House, So JoJo Siwa
- 0:42and her latest. Partner Kath.
- 0:43Ebbs have allegedly split. After Jojo's recent.
- 0:46Appearance on Celebrity Big Brother JoJo was on the latest
- 0:48season of Celebrity Big Brother. And over the.
- 0:50Past couple of weeks. There's been a lot of discussion
- 0:53about what we've seen on the show from her.
- 0:56Notably, she got very close. With a fellow contestant, Chris
- 0:58Hughes and. People were already talking
- 1:01about how close they. Were and how touchy they were.
- 1:04And then a couple. Days ago, JoJo.
- 1:05Revealed that her experience in the Big Brother house has made
- 1:08her realize that maybe she doesn't identify as lesbian
- 1:11anymore, but instead as queer. So people were kind of like, OK,
- 1:14is this because of her close relationship with Chris?
- 1:17Anyways, this whole time JoJo has been dating Australian
- 1:20influencer calf ABS. The two went public in January
- 1:24and I actually think they might have met when JoJo was.
- 1:26Here for the TikTok Awards. Which I think was.
- 1:28In like November ish I don't know we actually have beef with
- 1:32the tick tock. Awards, so I never go.
- 1:35But I think. It's in November.
- 1:36So Kath said that the whole. Time that JoJo was in the big.
- 1:38Brother house she was. Sending Kath messages through
- 1:41different channels, like other people's phones and stuff like
- 1:43that and the messages. Were really loving, they were
- 1:45really positive, she. Thought everything was fine and
- 1:48now. Kath has posted a bombshell
- 1:50TikTok. Video claiming that JoJo broke
- 1:52up with them this weekend at the.
- 1:54Celebrity Big Brother after. Party celebration in the UK.
- 1:57Kath said they flew across the world to support.
- 1:59JoJo after the show and thought they'd be coming on TikTok
- 2:03together to let audiences know that all the stuff we saw
- 2:06between JoJo and Chris. Was like all for.
- 2:09Show and that Kath and JoJo are solid and everything is fine.
- 2:13But obviously that is not. What It seems so JoJo allegedly
- 2:17dumped Kath at this. After party with Chris.
- 2:19In the next room, honestly thought I would come on here
- 2:23right now with my partner being like it was just ATV show and it
- 2:27was all fabricated and we're happy as Larry.
- 2:31But the truth of the matter is, I decided to show up for my
- 2:37partner and hold up my end of the bargain of being in a
- 2:43partnership and being a teammate.
- 2:44And I flew across the world to support and be there and hold
- 2:49that person in whatever they would be experiencing leaving
- 2:53such a wild experience. And instead I was dumped at the
- 3:03after party with Chris in the next room.
- 3:06OK, so I've seen a. Lot of people particularly.
- 3:08Lesbian women noting how young JoJo is like she's only 21 and.
- 3:13Even I forget that. Like I know we talked about JoJo
- 3:15A. Lot on this pod and we talked.
- 3:16About how young. She is, but if you think about.
- 3:18How many relationships we've seen her through, It's been a
- 3:21lot like she's had. Quite a big dating history from
- 3:25like 18 to 21 that we have seen publicly and you know that.
- 3:29Era of your life, whether you're queer or identify a straight or
- 3:34whatever is like. Such a transformative period
- 3:36you're dating. For the first.
- 3:37Time. You're probably out on your own
- 3:39for the. First time we know for JoJo
- 3:40that's like especially. True.
- 3:42You know, at 18, a lot of her contracts broke off and she's
- 3:45just been like, exploring who she is and trying to find.
- 3:48Herself. So that's like a transformative.
- 3:51Period for any of us, and I can't imagine having to do that
- 3:54so. Publicly, if you took a.
- 3:56Look at probably any of our dating history from 18 to 21.
- 3:59It would be a mess. So that's what a lot of people
- 4:02are saying is like. We're kind of forgetting how
- 4:04young JoJo is. Especially because Cath.
- 4:06I think is like 20. 8 So there is quite a big difference
- 4:09between like that period of your.
- 4:11Life at 21. Versus, you know, your.
- 4:13Late 20s. So far, JoJo has not responded.
- 4:16To the breakup allegations. She has not responded to any
- 4:20media outlets for comment SO. I'll keep you guys.
- 4:23Posted but like I'm. Going to say they're probably
- 4:24broken up. OK, the next way that I have for
- 4:26you guys is that Veruca Salt has.
- 4:28Leaked an alleged voice note from Anna.
- 4:30Paul Which? Here's Anna encouraging friends
- 4:33to cyber bully one of her brother's alleged victims.
- 4:36This is a. Very messy follow up from
- 4:38everything that's been going on between Anna Addis, Michaela,
- 4:42Testa, that whole saga. If you guys want like a more
- 4:45complete breakdown, head back to I think a couple weeks.
- 4:48Weeks ago I. Did like one big breakdown
- 4:51either way. I've done a couple.
- 4:52Like. Updates since then, so just go
- 4:54back and listen to old episodes. But following weeks of Anna and
- 4:58Addis defending themselves, Australian influencer Varouk
- 5:01Assault has now leaked an alleged voice note that Anna
- 5:03sent to a friends group chat. So this is like a very high
- 5:08level recap, but. Anna is obviously one of
- 5:10Australia's biggest TikTok influencers.
- 5:12And her brother. Addis has been under fire
- 5:15getting. Called out by his.
- 5:16Exes, namely Michaela Testa, who is another huge Australian
- 5:19influencer for his alleged pattern of abusing women that
- 5:22he's in relationships with. One of these.
- 5:24Women is named Alice, who claims that Addis.
- 5:27Groomed her. When they started dating and she
- 5:29was 13 and Addis was 16. So Verrucasol.
- 5:32Has always been like peripherally involved.
- 5:35She seemed to be in that circle at one point, but she is
- 5:38definitely not on good. Terms with the Pauls anymore
- 5:41Veruca first got. Involved publicly when she made
- 5:44claims last year that Anna and her family mistreat their
- 5:47father. She was saying he's homeless,
- 5:49living in his car in a grocery store parking lot while Anna and
- 5:52her family live it up in like mansions down the road.
- 5:55Anna tried to defend this. Saying her dad does.
- 5:57Van life, but Veruca. Salt has like.
- 6:00Consistently stuck to this. Story that she knows.
- 6:03That Anna's dad is not trying to do van life and that he is being
- 6:06mistreated by this family. Aside from that, I don't know if
- 6:08we. Will ever know.
- 6:09The truth behind that After Anna and Addis, you know, have tried
- 6:14to, like, defend themselves against Michaela's claims,
- 6:17Veruca released an alleged voice note from Anna to a group chat
- 6:21that they were in called millionaires and.
- 6:23Billionaires where they. Seem to be speaking about Alice.
- 6:26Allegedly, Anna says she is the best person to go against in
- 6:29court. Because she digs herself a
- 6:30deeper hole. Every time she opens her mouth
- 6:32and then Mick new phone so I guess Michaela test a new phone
- 6:35said just the fact that she she was trying to charge Addis with
- 6:37the most fucked up charges makes me so rageful.
- 6:40Anna says Yep. Literally lies.
- 6:42To that should be illegal and then Anna allegedly.
- 6:45Says Addis. Will be fine though, she's just
- 6:47trying, which is so embarrassing, Addis says she's.
- 6:51Mad I got a. 100,000 likes in five hours makes us of course.
- 6:55It just makes me so sick having to read she.
- 6:56Needs psychological help. Anna says she does, and then
- 6:59Anna sends this voice note. Don't save this voice message,
- 7:03but we should make fake accounts.
- 7:04Others is all done. We should make fake tip tock
- 7:06accounts and just comment on her appearance on her tik toks, all
- 7:09the mean shit, all the things that she would be insecure
- 7:12about. We should just go into detail
- 7:13and comment that hate so that she knows that she is really
- 7:15that ugly. Like don't the type of comments
- 7:17that make you stay awake at night.
- 7:19Those types of comments where you're like, are my arms really
- 7:21fat? Is my nose really that ugly?
- 7:24Like we should really go in really specific.
- 7:27Anna finishes by saying I want. Her to have sleepless.
- 7:29Nights and Mick says Addison, I said.
- 7:31Fuck yes. So obviously this also.
- 7:33Doesn't good on Michaela but she has been really consistent in
- 7:36admitting that in her video saying like I am not the perfect
- 7:39victim like. I played a huge.
- 7:42Role in perpetuating kind of all the behavior that she has been
- 7:46calling the polls out for and all of.
- 7:47That stuff. But yes, so obviously if this is
- 7:50real. It's a huge contradiction to
- 7:53everything that Anna's been defending herself against, which
- 7:55is like, you know, the fact that she calls people fat or body
- 7:59shames them or it's just like. Really not the.
- 8:01Person that we see online I guess.
- 8:03Veruca released. This to be like see she's lying.
- 8:07I feel like a lot of what is happening.
- 8:09Is just so serious and I really hope like the proper authorities
- 8:14are being. Contacted and this will also get
- 8:16handled. Offline because.
- 8:18We're seeing a lot of stuff. Online that I feel like.
- 8:21Maybe we shouldn't be seeing all of this.
- 8:23And maybe. This should be dealt with by
- 8:25like the authorities. OK.
- 8:26This is a lighter story. The next three that I have for
- 8:30you guys is that. Luke Bateman is blowing up on
- 8:32book talk. So Australian bachelors this.
- 8:35Is a very Australian. Episode I just realized.
- 8:38I didn't mean for it to be, but anyways.
- 8:40Australian Bachelor star Luke. Bateman has joined Book Talk,
- 8:45and he's going. Super viral because the women of
- 8:48book talk are basically. Dying for him.
- 8:50In his first video posted five days ago.
- 8:53He explained that he loves reading and loves fantasy books,
- 8:56but he never. Really felt comfortable.
- 8:58Talking about it because he's from the country and he does.
- 9:00Blue collar work. And then he was.
- 9:03Like, you know, I heard about. Book talk so I.
- 9:05Wanted to like throw my hat. In the ring and like you know,
- 9:07try and join you guys. Like I said, his account
- 9:09launched 5 days ago. He already has a. 115,000
- 9:14followers. He's definitely a vibe.
- 9:16Like I totally get why people. Are obsessed with him.
- 9:19He's super hot. You know, he comes online, he's.
- 9:22Like in his truck. He's in like a cowboy hat.
- 9:24I mean, it's not a cowboy hat. What is it called in a croup?
- 9:26A croup. Whatever.
- 9:27A Kubra. Australian listeners are going
- 9:29to kill me. I've literally lived here for
- 9:31like almost 10 years. I'm sorry.
- 9:33And my husband is also from Tamworth, which is the country.
- 9:35But yes, he's wearing one of those very Australian hats.
- 9:38He has this. Very like country, Australian
- 9:40accent and of. Course the girls are going to be
- 9:43like Oh my God, like a sensitive guy that loves to read.
- 9:45Like loves fantasy books. Who works with his?
- 9:47Hands like what more could you want?
- 9:50So we'll watch. This space.
- 9:52However, I did want to say like, if we've learned.
- 9:54Anything in the? Last like 5.
- 9:57Years since tik. T.O.K really blew.
- 9:58Up. It's that whenever.
- 9:59We thirst over. A guy on social media like a new
- 10:03guy that comes along. We always get disappointed
- 10:07whenever we put a man on a pedestal like.
- 10:09This it. Comes crashing down so.
- 10:12Hopefully. We don't find out something like
- 10:13really fucked up in his past or present, you know?
- 10:16But for now the girlies are loving him.
- 10:19I'm cautiously optimistic. I've also seen a few women and
- 10:22say that like who are in the book talk community say.
- 10:25That it's so hard for. Creators who are mostly female
- 10:29in this community to grow and to find any type of like traction
- 10:33it. Can be a really.
- 10:34Competitive niche. And so they're kind of saying
- 10:37like. It's just classic.
- 10:38That this hot guy comes in and he gets 100,000 followers.
- 10:41In like a matter of days. When so many female creators
- 10:44have been slogging away in this niche, making like really high
- 10:47quality content for years and can't even crack anywhere close
- 10:51to that. And then I started thinking
- 10:53about it in terms of like, women infiltrating.
- 10:56Infiltrating is not the right. Word, but, you know, kind.
- 10:58Of like dipping their toes in or going into like more male
- 11:02dominated niches on the Internet corners of the Internet and how.
- 11:06We are received there. And it's not well.
- 11:08Like if you. Think about women in gaming.
- 11:10If you think about women in sports, we often get like
- 11:14bullied. Out of these spaces.
- 11:16And told that we have no. Idea what we're talking.
- 11:17About this space is not. For us, like it.
- 11:20Becomes a really toxic, like misogynistic experience for a
- 11:23lot of women. So I think it's really
- 11:25interesting that often the reverse happens when a man comes
- 11:30into a woman's space who seems like genuinely interested and to
- 11:34have, you know, like it isn't coming in in in any type of like
- 11:38antagonizing way, like coming in with like a pure, with pure
- 11:41intentions. So we'll see, but he is the
- 11:43latest creator. To pop the fuck off, especially
- 11:46on book talk. OK.
- 11:47And the next? Word that I have for you guys is
- 11:49that Chris? Olsen has been exposed.
- 11:51Quote UN quote. By his ex-boyfriend, Patrick
- 11:54Johnson. So TikTok stars.
- 11:56Chris Olsen and Patrick Johnson dated from October 2023 until
- 12:01about the end of last year. I think they dated for like a.
- 12:03Year over the. Weekend Patrick made several.
- 12:04Videos calling out Chris for. Essentially being fake.
- 12:07For the public. In a now deleted video, Patrick
- 12:10wrote quote. When you realize your ex
- 12:12completely exploited your relationship for.
- 12:14Views and. Used your relationship for.
- 12:16Engagement, yet you had feelings and treated him better than he's
- 12:19ever been treated before. Thank God I'm over his attention
- 12:22seeking ass he then. Told a story.
- 12:25To I guess try and like give a glimpse into how quote UN quote
- 12:28horrible Chris was to date and he said he went through hell and
- 12:32back with Chris. Just to kind of like, put in
- 12:34perspective how horrible my ex was, we had gone to the Taylor
- 12:39Swift Argentina show and we had left before the first time that
- 12:46Taylor had said Karma's gone, the Chiefs.
- 12:49And we got back to the hotel room and I had been scrolling
- 12:52and told him I was like, Oh my God, did you see that?
- 12:55Taylor said Karma's gone, the Chiefs.
- 12:59And I said that in a genuine place of like, Oh my God, you're
- 13:02such a Taylor fan, like, you're going to love this.
- 13:05And then he looked up from his phone and said, I don't fucking
- 13:09care. And then went into the bathroom,
- 13:12shut the door and then filmed the slower reaction to that
- 13:18audio and then posted it and saying can't believe I saw this
- 13:23live. Chris has now responded in a
- 13:25video he's lip syncing to the Miley Cyrus Hannah Montana song
- 13:29Nobody. 'S perfect.
- 13:30And he's lip syncing. Over like the part where she
- 13:32says. Everybody makes mistakes.
- 13:34And then in the comments somebody was like, are you
- 13:36really a Swifty or not? And then Chris said yes, I am a
- 13:40Swifty, I guess. I guess.
- 13:42When you think about like dating someone.
- 13:45Who is like significantly. More famous than you like?
- 13:47Chris is like the. Famous one in this relationship.
- 13:49I don't even know if Patrick had a following before Chris.
- 13:53But either way, Chris is like. The famous 1.
- 13:56You as a person who dated them. Obviously.
- 13:59Knows them better than anybody on the Internet is ever going to
- 14:02know them and you know. People are like complex.
- 14:05I'm not saying that. Chris Olson is not a shitty guy.
- 14:07Like, I have no idea, but you know, people.
- 14:10Are complex like. Relationships and the way they
- 14:12break down are nuanced and complex.
- 14:14And yeah, I do imagine that if you dated.
- 14:17Someone who was like super famous.
- 14:18And they were super. Beloved, the way that.
- 14:20Like Chris Wilson is and you're watching millions of people
- 14:23adore them when you feel like they mistreated you or you.
- 14:27Feel like. That doesn't add up to the
- 14:28person that you knew. Yeah, I imagine that would be
- 14:32difficult to handle. And we?
- 14:34See this a lot where people are like the influencer that.
- 14:36You think you know, like you don't know, and I think we just
- 14:39need to remember as audiences like that is always going to be
- 14:42the. Case there's always.
- 14:43Going to be like a public persona even.
- 14:46When regular people who. Are not trying to be influencers
- 14:49post. A TikTok like you're still.
- 14:51Putting on some type of performance, some type of filter
- 14:53for, you know, the public consumption.
- 14:55Patrick did end this video saying he.
- 14:57Hopes that people will stick. Around so I think he did get a
- 15:00lot of his followers through. Chris, and he was.
- 15:02Like I hope you'll stick around and like give me a chance to
- 15:04show you like my personality and stuff like.
- 15:06That the last story that I have for you guys is that AO3 authors
- 15:09are. Removing their The Pit fanfic
- 15:11after. The cut.
- 15:13Wrote a story. Linking to their work.
- 15:14I know that sounds like word salad.
- 15:16But let me explain. So AO3 which is the.
- 15:18Fan Run, nonprofit repository for fanfiction and other types
- 15:22of fan work, has been platformed by The Cut in a new.
- 15:25Article published yesterday. And the AO3 community is
- 15:29actually not down the cut. Wrote an article.
- 15:31About the fanfiction being written about the TV show The
- 15:33Pit. Which which is I've never.
- 15:35Like seen it or? I hadn't even.
- 15:36Heard of it but apparently it's amazing people are like going on
- 15:39and on about. It it's apparently a very
- 15:40realistic. Depiction of what it's like to
- 15:42work in the ER. So fans of the show have been
- 15:45writing like, you know, sexy fanfic and anyways, Emily.
- 15:48Gold for the Cut wrote about this, she said.
- 15:51Quote. For your convenience and.
- 15:52Pleasure, I've compiled. Some of the best, most
- 15:54satisfying, most elaborate, and most.
- 15:57Straight up bizarre. Pit fan fiction on the Internet.
- 16:00Charge your favorite devices. And get to reading.
- 16:02She then compiled. A list of work that followed
- 16:05different. Fan fiction storylines for The
- 16:07Pit. So these are some of them.
- 16:09Doctor Santos and Doctor Garcia enemies.
- 16:12To lovers Doctor Mel. King as bisexual Doctor Mohan
- 16:16and Doctor Abbott getting together and then some just.
- 16:20Like straight up sex stories? The article.
- 16:22Is essentially a listicle. Like she literally says.
- 16:25Here's one fanfic that's like PG14 and.
- 16:28Here is like a very high level summary.
- 16:30Of it and she like links it out but now the AO3 community.
- 16:33Is really pissed that. This content has been taken kind
- 16:36of. Out of their safer.
- 16:37Fan community and platforms on this mainstream publication.
- 16:42So the backlash first started on Instagram, where users and AO3
- 16:45authors were commenting. Some of the comments say, hey, I
- 16:48don't think any of these writers consented to having their work
- 16:51which was meant for that specific fandom space.
- 16:53LinkedIn, fucking New York Magazine have some decorum,
- 16:56Another says. I understand the aim of this.
- 16:58Article but a lot of the authors.
- 16:59Of these works didn't consent the publicly of them publicity.
- 17:03Of them, fan fiction is created. Did by fans for fans and we
- 17:06don't need corporations of any size to mingle in our.
- 17:08Affairs. It just.
- 17:10Harms fan communities and pushed writers not to write.
- 17:13Best thing to do? Is to leave us.
- 17:14Alone what? The fuck the cut?
- 17:16We're really out here. Dropping AO3 links on a
- 17:18mainstream magazine website like fan fiction wasn't specifically
- 17:22meant to stay within fandom spaces.
- 17:24And shame on you too, Emily books gold either.
- 17:27You know nothing of fandom. Etiquette or you deliberately.
- 17:29Chose to ignore it. To get this piece out.
- 17:32The backbone of fan fiction is by fans, for fans, and trying to
- 17:36monetize. It like this is just a disgrace
- 17:38and now a lot of these authors are.
- 17:39Apparently removing their. Stories.
- 17:41Because they don't. Want it to be kind of platformed
- 17:44like this on a mainstream publication.
- 17:46I did question if I was doing the same thing as the Cut by
- 17:51talking about this story, but like I'm coming at it from the.
- 17:53Perspective of of like why the? Community would be feeling this
- 17:58way. Also, this is like an Internet
- 17:59culture podcast and it's kind of laughable to think that I
- 18:03shouldn't cover something because.
- 18:04It's like the same as the cut. Like the cut is literally.
- 18:06Part of New York Magazine like we are not the same.
- 18:11So at first glance, you may. Think why would the authors not
- 18:14want their? Stories to be platformed.
- 18:15In the cut like could this not? Be of great.
- 18:17Benefit to them and it could, but when you think about why
- 18:21people join these communities. Like it is a safe space away.
- 18:24From the quote UN quote like stigma that mainstream culture
- 18:28can bring to so many. Interests like this, people who
- 18:33are in these. Communities want it to remain,
- 18:35you know, filled with people who actually want to be part of that
- 18:38community and partake in that interest not.
- 18:40People who just like. Find this kind of niche
- 18:42community or niche interest on a mainstream publication like The
- 18:46Cut, go to it out of interest, and then, you know, they
- 18:49probably don't fully understand it.
- 18:51They might think that it's kind of weird.
- 18:53Whatever the stigma may. Be and that does put these
- 18:56communities, these authors, you know, potentially in harm's way.
- 19:00You know, they're just staying protective of their safe.
- 19:02Space for everyone. In there understands like.
- 19:06What the goal is, what the rules are, you know what they're there
- 19:09for. But I think this situation
- 19:10aside. We've seen more and more.
- 19:12Outrage similar to this. Around like, public interest
- 19:15journalism, when it comes to reporting on like Internet
- 19:18culture, what's happening on TikTok, what's happening in
- 19:21these fan communities? Whatever, and.
- 19:23I'm finding that very, very interesting because we're in
- 19:26this like weird point in time, these last five.
- 19:29Years where like. Regular people are being.
- 19:32Covered by like the biggest. Publications in the world
- 19:36because they make a tick. Tock about something and it
- 19:38gets. A few views there hasn't really.
- 19:40Been a time like. This where like average people
- 19:44are getting. Written about getting
- 19:45platformed, their content is being shared in this like really
- 19:49widespread, mainstream way. Now, especially without their.
- 19:53Quote UN Quote Consent. As people are saying here, like
- 19:56if you get covered as a regular. Person and like you know, your
- 19:59town newspaper. Or a magazine or whatever.
- 20:02It's like you've. Probably sat down for an
- 20:04interview. You've probably done a photo
- 20:05shoot. Like all you know.
- 20:06What's happening, You understand what the story's about, and in a
- 20:09lot of publications like that especially.
- 20:11Print. Media you get to.
- 20:12Read the story before it goes out but with.
- 20:15You know, digital media and kind of.
- 20:17Like click bait culture. And Internet culture reporting
- 20:20happens now with like. TikTok.
- 20:22And everything moving so fast. People see a viral.
- 20:25Video and they. Write a story about.
- 20:27It and then that person now has. Their face, their video.
- 20:30Their name, Their handles. Whatever on like yeah, they're
- 20:34cut or like the. Daily Mail or wherever it's
- 20:36interesting. Because it's also not illegal
- 20:38because like that. Publisher has taken or that
- 20:41journalist has taken that content that the person has put
- 20:45out there and as long. As they are not.
- 20:47Like, you know, doxing. Them like revealing information.
- 20:49About them that is not publicly accessible online.
- 20:52As long as they're not doing something like that, you know
- 20:54they're covering. It from a public interest
- 20:57perspective that is fully legal. That's under fair use.
- 21:00And like. That is part of.
- 21:01Public interest journalism. We could argue all day.
- 21:04If that's like valid journalism, you know, if it's like useful
- 21:07journalism. But in terms of the argument
- 21:09that a lot. Of like we've seen a lot of
- 21:11regular quote, UN quote like regular people who are to say
- 21:13regular, I mean people who are not like celebrities or
- 21:15influencers. Who are not like, who would not
- 21:17normally be? Covered by the media.
- 21:19For any like. Random reason, you know, we see
- 21:22a lot of. Outrage when this happens and
- 21:25they. Feel like their their.
- 21:26Privacy is being invaded. But that is actually just a risk
- 21:29that we take. Posting online and actually in a
- 21:32lot of cases depending on the. Terms of service the.
- 21:34Platform actually owns that content, like you don't own the
- 21:37IP to that video. Yeah, it's very interesting
- 21:40because there's a lot of friction right now.
- 21:41Between like regular people. And like entertainment
- 21:44journalists and like kind of the expectations of both.
- 21:47There's definitely a lack of due.
- 21:48Diligence on the publisher. Side you would say the same
- 21:50thing for. Us here, you know, I'm not
- 21:52reaching out. To people that you're going to
- 21:54put in. Stories And then of course, I
- 21:55think there's also like a lack of understanding from like an.
- 21:58Average user of like OK if you're.
- 22:00Publishing this on TikTok and it does go.
- 22:03Viral even if it doesn't go viral, but like if it does go
- 22:06viral, this. Will get picked up and like
- 22:08that. Actually is fully legal.
- 22:10Doesn't mean it's ethical, but it's legal.
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