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2026 Route 666! HALLOWEEN THROWBACKS: The Ninth Gate · Cosmic Peach

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  Speaker 1: Thank you.
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  Speaker 2: Happy Halloween, everyone! 2026, get your kicks on Route 666.
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  Speaker 2: Happy the fuck Halloween, guys. I hope you find these
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  Speaker 2: little Halloween throwbacks as entertaining and spooktacular as I do.
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  Speaker 2: They're sure to send a chill down your taint. Maybe
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  Speaker 2: you'll laugh till you faint. Anything is possible. This is
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  Speaker 2: my absolute favorite time of year. I take great pleasure
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  Speaker 2: in presenting these spooky cosmic peach classics. And again, I
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  Speaker 2: hope you enjoy each and every one of them. Now
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  Speaker 2: let's take a trip down Route 666.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you.
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  Speaker 4: Welcome back everyone to another episode of Cosmic Beach Podcast.
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  Speaker 4: It is our monthly breakdown shakedown and we have repeat
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  Speaker 4: offender Drew Misson in the house. Drew, how are you?
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  Speaker 3: I'm great, Julia. How are you?
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  Speaker 4: I'm good and good morning. I know we have a
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  Speaker 4: huge time difference and I've rudely called you in the
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  Speaker 4: wee hours of the morning thinking you stood me up
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  Speaker 4: for this episode, but no. uh my bad on that um.
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  Speaker 3: So it happens.
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  Speaker 4: I tasked you with watching a film and i was
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  Speaker 4: wondering drew if you can kind of talk to us
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  Speaker 4: a little bit about our selection tonight all right.
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  Speaker 3: So i actually went away and i wrote a little
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  Speaker 3: bit of a synopsis of what this film is okay
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  Speaker 3: so let's see how well i've done let's see if
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  Speaker 3: i can get a job in hollywood and maybe writing
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  Speaker 3: the blurbs and back of dvds or something Okay. From
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  Speaker 3: the mind of the controversial director Roman Polanski, the supernatural
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  Speaker 3: thriller The Ninth Gate is a movie adapted from the
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  Speaker 3: Autorio Perez-Riverte's 1993 novel The Club of Dumas. The 1999
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  Speaker 3: film follows the main character, Dean Corso, played by Johnny Depp,
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  Speaker 3: who is an antique book dealer who practices in unscrupulous
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  Speaker 3: methods to get what he wants. His reputation soon gets
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  Speaker 3: him noticed, and Corso is hired by a scholar, Boris Balkan,
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  Speaker 3: Franklin Gallup. to authenticate his copy of The Nine Gates
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  Speaker 3: of the Kingdom of Shadows, allegedly written by the devil.
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  Speaker 1: May I take a look? All my own rare editions
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  Speaker 1: have the same protagonist, the devil. Only the supreme masterpiece
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  Speaker 1: was missing.
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  Speaker 5: The Nine Gates of the Kingdom of Shadows. A book
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  Speaker 5: reputed to have been written by Satan himself.
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  Speaker 1: I want you to go to Europe. I want you
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  Speaker 1: to get it for me.
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  Speaker 5: You mean the devil won't show up?
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  Speaker 1: Reputed to conjure up the Prince of Darkness in person.
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  Speaker 1: Some books are dangerous.
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  Speaker 6: You don't know what you're getting yourself into, Mr.
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  Speaker 7: Corso.
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  Speaker 6: Get out before it's too late.
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  Speaker 5: I'm afraid it already is.
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  Speaker 8: At last the king will unlock the Night's Gate.
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  Speaker 3: To travel in silence.
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  Speaker 1: To break the arrows of misfortune. And fear neither noose
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  Speaker 1: nor thunder.
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  Speaker 8: There have been men who have been burned alive for
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  Speaker 8: just a glimpse of what you are about to witness.
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  Speaker 9: Boom.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, that's it right there, the ninth gate.
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  Speaker 4: So on its face, it's obviously occulted. But there's even
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  Speaker 4: more layers, like a five-layer burrito that you have to
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  Speaker 4: kind of break down as you go. And I wrote
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  Speaker 4: as kind of my synopsis that we're basically going to
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  Speaker 4: go through the film and look at the occult messaging
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  Speaker 4: and of the Luciferian left-hand path that leads the initiate
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  Speaker 4: towards enlightenment via the Whore of Babylon, in my opinion.
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  Speaker 4: So the film definitely has a lot of Kabbalism, occult,
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  Speaker 4: and Illuminati messaging throughout. But I have actually come up
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  Speaker 4: with a few of my own theories. And we probably
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  Speaker 4: came to the same conclusions because we're pretty like-minded on
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  Speaker 4: a lot of that. But it'll be interesting to kind
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  Speaker 4: of dissect this. And one of the first things I
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  Speaker 4: wanted to mention before we kind of get into our
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  Speaker 4: storyline is that The Ninth Gate, it's called a neo-noir
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  Speaker 4: horror film. Horror thriller film. But it's kind of boring
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  Speaker 4: in some parts. I don't know how thrillering.
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  Speaker 8: It is, but.
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  Speaker 4: It came out in 1999. So when you invert this,
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  Speaker 4: of course, you're getting year 666 right off the top. Now,
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  Speaker 4: did you have any thoughts about how the film was
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  Speaker 4: made or anything to get us going?
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  Speaker 3: It's definitely a Polanski-esque film. You look at it, it's,
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  Speaker 3: like you said, it's a slog at times. You're watching it,
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  Speaker 3: it's a near two-and-a-half-hour film when it's all said and
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  Speaker 3: done by the time you go in. through the motions
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  Speaker 3: of trying to understand and unpack it. I think he
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  Speaker 3: presents this film in a, like you said, it definitely
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  Speaker 3: shows the elements of the Illuminati, Satanism, all of those
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  Speaker 3: conspiracy theory tenets that we think about when we think
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  Speaker 3: of the elites. But he's just putting that out on
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  Speaker 3: its face. He's just dropping that and saying this is
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  Speaker 3: how it is, which is great, but you actually have
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  Speaker 3: to look through the hidden clues and the subtle... cinematography
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  Speaker 3: shots and the choice of colors and names and things
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  Speaker 3: to unpack what's really going on deeper on.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah because like eyes wide shut everybody knows you don't
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  Speaker 4: even have to be a conspiracy theorist to watch the
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  Speaker 4: movie and go there's something going on here but there
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  Speaker 4: are levels to it and this is the same thing
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  Speaker 4: for me i mean roman polanski is the same guy
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  Speaker 4: who You know, his wife was an admitted witch and
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  Speaker 4: she was sacrificed in some weird ritual by the Manson family.
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  Speaker 4: So you can see how his mind is already twisted.
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  Speaker 4: And anytime you watch a film like this, you're seen
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  Speaker 4: through the eyes of the director. And he claims, claims
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  Speaker 4: that he's not into occultism or Luciferianism, that he doesn't
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  Speaker 4: believe in it. And I think that's horseshit. I think
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  Speaker 4: he is absolutely involved in that.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it almost comes across more of he
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  Speaker 3: was that far into it and then he maybe pissed
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  Speaker 3: someone off on the inside and that's why he really
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  Speaker 3: fled the States. Definitely he's a kitty fiddler. We know
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  Speaker 3: that about him. But I dare say maybe he pissed
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  Speaker 3: a lot of people off just by putting out their
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  Speaker 3: little secrets on the big screen.
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  Speaker 4: Mm-hmm. And in Rosemary's Baby, which is another devil worship movie.
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  Speaker 4: But he's not into this stuff. He just loves making.
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  Speaker 7: Movies about it.
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  Speaker 4: But so I found that the premiere showing was in Spain.
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  Speaker 4: And it released on August 25th, 1999. So I'm always
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  Speaker 4: talking about the 8th. And whether or not it's a
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  Speaker 4: real thing, I have found so many eights in connection
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  Speaker 4: with stuff like this. Movie releases, et cetera, deaths, and
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  Speaker 4: so on. And when I saw that, it stood out
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  Speaker 4: to me because it didn't come out in August in
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  Speaker 4: the U.S. I think it was after that, if I'm
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  Speaker 4: not mistaken. But the first premiere being in Spain in
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  Speaker 4: August caught my attention. And one of the actors, his
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  Speaker 4: name is Frank Langella. I think I'm pronouncing that right.
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  Speaker 4: He plays Balkan. And I love his character because he's
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  Speaker 4: so pretentious, like the professor type. But he was actually
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  Speaker 4: chosen for that role because of his performance in the
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  Speaker 4: movie Lolita, which is a Stanley Kubrick film about... pedophilia
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  Speaker 4: so I don't want to say that's a definite connection
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  Speaker 4: but it's curious to.
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  Speaker 3: Me oh they probably buy their kids from the same
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  Speaker 3: people Right.
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  Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying? He was just so taken
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  Speaker 4: by his performance in this child pedophilia movie that he
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  Speaker 4: put him in this Satan worshiper movie and made him
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  Speaker 4: one of the main characters who was trying to open
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  Speaker 4: the nine gates. I mean, that's pretty interesting.
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  Speaker 10: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I would almost go as far as that Langala is
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  Speaker 3: one of two protagonists. I think it's actually not just
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  Speaker 3: Johnny Depp's character, but I think it's his character that
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  Speaker 3: they're the actual main characters of the film. They're not
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  Speaker 3: secondary um character he's not a protagonist at all i
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  Speaker 3: think they are the the main characters.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah because no other besides the girl quote unquote there
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  Speaker 4: are no characters who just stand out right off the
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  Speaker 4: top that don't get off because you meet them and
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  Speaker 4: they kind of die later on in the story even
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  Speaker 4: balkan ends up dying but it's not into way way
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  Speaker 4: but let's not get ahead of ourselves so During the
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  Speaker 4: shooting of The Ninth Gate, Johnny Depp met his longtime love.
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  Speaker 4: What's her name here? Something parody. Do you know who
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  Speaker 4: I'm talking about? And they had a daughter together that year.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, yes.
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  Speaker 3: What's her name?
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  Speaker 10: Vanessa.
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  Speaker 4: Vanessa Parody. He met her while he was filming The
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  Speaker 4: Ninth Gate. And they actually had a daughter together. the
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  Speaker 4: year the Ninth Gate was released, and that's Lily Rose Depp.
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  Speaker 4: But also interesting to me, I haven't really seen Lily
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  Speaker 4: Rose Depp in a whole lot of movies, but I
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  Speaker 4: googled her and she looks just like her dad. It's
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  Speaker 4: kind of interesting. Have you seen her?
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  Speaker 3: No, I haven't. I'm not saying I'm going to have
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  Speaker 3: to look that up, see what she looks like.
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  Speaker 4: She's really pretty. If you can imagine, well, Johnny Depp
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  Speaker 4: actually has kind of a feminine-esque type of look already.
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  Speaker 4: So his daughter, yeah, she's gorgeous. And I think she
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  Speaker 4: was a supermodel for a while, but I haven't really
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  Speaker 4: seen too many movies that she's been in. But did
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  Speaker 4: you want to jump into the storyline or do you
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  Speaker 4: have any little biscuits and gravy to spill beforehand?
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  Speaker 3: Before we get into it, once again, I always look
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  Speaker 3: at the names because I think the names are intentionally
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  Speaker 3: chosen for a reason to help push the story forward.
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  Speaker 3: And being that this was a book originally, I can
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  Speaker 3: tell that the authors used the names in it to
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  Speaker 3: help drive the character's progression in the story arc. So
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  Speaker 3: our main character, air quotes main, being Corso, played by
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  Speaker 3: Johnny Depp, is the anglicised version of the Hebrew word
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  Speaker 3: meaning justice, law or verdict. Corso actually means justice. is
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  Speaker 3: Latin and means guardian. So within the story, the character
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  Speaker 3: says his name means running away, but within the real world,
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  Speaker 3: it means a guardian. So what we see from this
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  Speaker 3: character is that he's actually a guardian of justice. And
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  Speaker 3: when we see that later in the film play out
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  Speaker 3: in his actions in regards to some of the other
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  Speaker 3: big players in this film. Boris Balkan, who's our big
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  Speaker 3: bad guy in this. Boris, a lot of people think
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  Speaker 3: stems from Russian, which means fighter. But originally it comes
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  Speaker 3: from the Turkish word, which means wolf. So Balkan is
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  Speaker 3: the Turkish, and Balkan, the surname is the Turkish word
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  Speaker 3: for mountain. So he's a wolf of the mountain, wolves
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  Speaker 3: in the esoteric and pagan symbolism. It's a spirit and
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  Speaker 3: a chaos god of destruction. So through these pagan beliefs,
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  Speaker 3: we know that the gods dwell in mountains like Zeus,
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  Speaker 3: Mount Olympus, the Norse. They all dwell in these giant mountainsides.
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  Speaker 3: So if we're thinking about this guy as being a
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  Speaker 3: spirit or a god of destruction, he dwells within a mountain.
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  Speaker 3: And what's the first place we see this character in?
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  Speaker 3: A metal high rise. So it's a modern day mountain.
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  Speaker 4: I love it when you do the names.
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  Speaker 1: Yes.
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  Speaker 4: That makes so much sense.
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  Speaker 3: And destruction comes into it later on, on his character's
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  Speaker 3: journey throughout the film, which we'll get into as well.
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  Speaker 4: Did you look up any of the other ones? I'm
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  Speaker 4: trying to remember. So the girl is literally just called
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  Speaker 4: the girl. She's nameless. There was a Telfler and a
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  Speaker 4: Kessler or something.
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  Speaker 6: You did do those?
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  Speaker 3: I did do those, but I can jump into those
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  Speaker 3: later on when we introduce the characters.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, cool.
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  Speaker 6: All right.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah. How do you want to start us out? You
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  Speaker 4: want to talk about the– I would actually like to
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  Speaker 4: start at the beginning beginning because the credits, I guess
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  Speaker 4: they're called opening credits. Are you passing through the nine gates?
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  Speaker 4: And a lot of people skip over that part because
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  Speaker 4: it's five minutes long passing through the nine gates. But
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  Speaker 4: I have done a lot of research into cursed movies and,
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  Speaker 4: And directors using movies to actually curse you. So for me,
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  Speaker 4: having him take you through all nine gates is creepy.
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  Speaker 4: So are you opening these gates in your mind? Are
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  Speaker 4: you opening those gates in your home when you watch it?
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  Speaker 4: It's just one of those fine lines for me. Where
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  Speaker 4: when you watch something on a screen, your mind can't
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  Speaker 4: really tell the difference between what's reality and what's fictional
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  Speaker 4: on the screen. So you're going through these nine gates.
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  Speaker 4: And by the five minute marker passing through the gates,
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  Speaker 4: I was like, oh my fucking God, I just let
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  Speaker 4: a bunch of demons into my house. Like I already
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  Speaker 4: fucking know. But, I mean, yes, it's five minutes. That's
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  Speaker 4: so long. So, obviously, it was very important to him.
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  Speaker 3: And it's very fixating by the tone and the ominous
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  Speaker 3: music that's happening in the background as you're watching it
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  Speaker 3: and you're really trying to focus on the words and
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  Speaker 3: the names and the directors, everything that's coming up. You're
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  Speaker 3: actually going through these doorways, these gates as it's happening
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  Speaker 3: and you're not even realising it, even though it's a
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  Speaker 3: five minute span of time, which kind of predicts how
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  Speaker 3: long the film goes for and how long it drags out.
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  Speaker 3: You just fixate on it. It's almost like a brainwashing
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  Speaker 3: technique in itself.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah. Yes. Yes. So I'll let you kind of take
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  Speaker 4: the lead on the storyline because you're way better at
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  Speaker 4: it than I am. Because I kind of, I go
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  Speaker 4: from the beginning to the end, to the middle, to
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  Speaker 4: the end again. Drew, do your thing. Let's go through
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  Speaker 4: the storyline.
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  Speaker 1: Sure.
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  Speaker 3: So our film introduces, their first character we meet is
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  Speaker 3: Andrew Telfer. He's the man who owns the book the
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  Speaker 3: first time around. And we find out that he's committing
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  Speaker 3: suicide hanging himself from a noose on a fan on
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  Speaker 3: his ceiling. The really interesting thing I noticed about this
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  Speaker 3: fan was at the very centre of it, there's a
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  Speaker 3: golden pine cone in the centre of it. So this
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  Speaker 3: pine cone we see a lot in Catholic symbolism, in
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  Speaker 3: the esoteric. It's actually a symbol of the pineal gland.
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  Speaker 3: So this man who's had this demonic book, a book
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  Speaker 3: supposedly written by the devil who's now committing suicide, It's
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  Speaker 3: almost sending a message that he's a person who's tried
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  Speaker 3: to master the dark arts or contact the devil, whatever
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  Speaker 3: way you look at it, try to become illuminated to
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  Speaker 3: gain knowledge through consciousness, and he's failed at it. So
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  Speaker 3: in his epic failure, he's decided to commit suicide under
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  Speaker 3: a symbol that is the third eye, the pineal gland.
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  Speaker 4: Wow, you're already killing it, Drew. I didn't even notice that.
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  Speaker 4: So you have the pine cone symbolism right off the top.
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  Speaker 4: And we later find out about this character that his
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  Speaker 4: wife had a big thing to do with him committing
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  Speaker 4: suicide as well. So, yes, we have the hanging scene.
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  Speaker 4: Kind of symbolizing also, sorry, the hanged man in occultism
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  Speaker 4: as well. Okay, go ahead.
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  Speaker 3: Definitely. So we move on. We find out later on
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  Speaker 3: that he sold his book to Balkan, which is our
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  Speaker 3: big bad guy in this film. But we move on
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  Speaker 3: to our protagonist. He's giving an evaluation on a private
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  Speaker 3: book collection in the city. We soon notice that Dean
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  Speaker 3: Corso is somewhat of a grifter and a charlatan. He's
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  Speaker 3: conning the couple, telling them that their collection's worth upwards
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  Speaker 3: of $ 700, 000, $ 600, 000, and they need a couple of months
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  Speaker 3: to appraise it and get a perfect buyer. And then
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  Speaker 3: at the same time, he says, oh, but there's a
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  Speaker 3: four-volume edition of Don Quixote here, which I can give
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  Speaker 3: you some money for. And He gives them cash and
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  Speaker 3: you see the original owner who suffered a stroke in
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  Speaker 3: a wheelchair gripping his leg like trying to protest at
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  Speaker 3: the selling of these really expensive books. The interesting thing
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  Speaker 3: is the choice of the books that he's buying. Don
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  Speaker 3: Quixote literally means someone who's determined to change. So this
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  Speaker 3: shows our character's progression throughout the film of how he
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  Speaker 3: changes as a character and becomes more relevant as a
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  Speaker 3: metaphor for the film as it goes along.
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  Speaker 5: Well, at a rough preliminary estimate, you have a collection
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  Speaker 5: here worth around $ 600, 000.
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  Speaker 3: $ 600, 000?
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  Speaker 5: Yes, or thereabouts. I've picked out one or two volumes
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  Speaker 5: that merit special attention. This Persilis, for example, is important.
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  Speaker 5: I'd hang on to that. It will never depreciate. It's
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  Speaker 5: a good investment.
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  Speaker 4: Valuable?
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  Speaker 5: Very valuable. As for this Hypnorata Machia di Polifilo... by Kelowna, Venice, 1545,
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  Speaker 5: I'm sure I could find you a buyer. But I
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  Speaker 5: wouldn't let the rest go for less than $ 500, 000 under
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  Speaker 5: any circumstances. It may take a month or so to
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  Speaker 5: place them, so in the meantime, I advise you to
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  Speaker 5: be patient.
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  Speaker 6: A month?
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  Speaker 5: Yes, a month or two. It depends on how much
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  Speaker 5: of a hurry you're in. You see, more hurry, less money.
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  Speaker 1: Of course.
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  Speaker 5: Well, that's my advice, anyway. I'm sure you wouldn't want
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  Speaker 5: to rush things, but... Please feel free to consult another expert.
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  Speaker 5: If you have any questions, you know where to reach me. Incidentally,
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  Speaker 5: this four-volume edition of Don Quixote is quite nice, but
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  Speaker 5: not particularly valuable. Now, I could take it off your
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  Speaker 5: hands right away.
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  Speaker 3: How much were you thinking of?
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  Speaker 5: Oh, I couldn't go more than 4,000, 4,200 tops.
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  Speaker 3: Fine.
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  Speaker 4: And you know what else is interesting about that Don
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  Speaker 4: Quixote is when I did the breakdown for the Imaginarium
• 21:12
  Speaker 4: of Dr. Parnassus, Ron was talking about Terry Gilliam, who
• 21:18
  Speaker 4: directed that movie. And he also directed something else. But
• 21:25
  Speaker 4: he was trying to make a movie about Don Quixote.
• 21:28
  Speaker 4: And it's literally called A Cursed Project. every single time
• 21:33
  Speaker 4: he tried to make the movie about Don Quixote, something
• 21:36
  Speaker 4: horrible happened, or one of the actors died in some
• 21:40
  Speaker 4: really mysterious or tragic way. And I had just done
• 21:44
  Speaker 4: that breakdown. And then I watched The Ninth Gate, and
• 21:47
  Speaker 4: he's going after these Don Quixote books. And I was like,
• 21:50
  Speaker 4: oh my god, it's just so weird. But yeah, Johnny
• 21:56
  Speaker 4: Depp is so smooth. He's I'll just take these off
• 22:00
  Speaker 4: your hands for you. How about, I think he gives
• 22:03
  Speaker 4: them $ 4, 000 or something like that. And they're worth like triple,
• 22:08
  Speaker 4: quadruple that amount of money.
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: Really low balsam. And at the same time, he's let
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: them know that the rest of their collection is worth
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: huge amounts of money when it's pretty much worthless that
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: we find out later on. So he leaves this place,
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: he leaves the building and One of his competitors walks
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: in and starts calling him a shrew of a man
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: and a charlatan and all the names under the sun.
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: And then he meets his friend who's an antique bookseller
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: and he tries to negotiate a deal. Have you got
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: that customer who wants to buy these books? And then
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: they're haggling about, oh, what percentage do I get? And
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: the entire time Corso sticks to his guns and isn't
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: willing to budge on the percentage, even to a friend
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: air quotes. So this really instills the motivation behind Corso.
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: Everything is about cold, hard cash. He has a greed
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: for money.
• 22:56
  Speaker 4: And he's very black and white when it comes to
• 23:00
  Speaker 4: he he it's not even that he really has an
• 23:03
  Speaker 4: interest in the books themselves but just the business of
• 23:10
  Speaker 4: the books so i would almost compare him to a
• 23:15
  Speaker 4: drug dealer for books he doesn't want he's not giving
• 23:19
  Speaker 4: anybody discounts it is what it is um And we
• 23:25
  Speaker 4: see that when he is tasked to do this little
• 23:30
  Speaker 4: adventure thing. But so, yes, he meets his friend at
• 23:32
  Speaker 4: the bookshop. And it's kind of showing us his character
• 23:39
  Speaker 4: a little bit. But what happens after that?
• 23:43
  Speaker 3: Before we jump in, did you notice how much his
• 23:45
  Speaker 3: character looks strikingly like Leon Trotsky, one of the key
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: members of Bolshevism in Russia during the rise of communism?
• 23:53
  Speaker 4: With the moustache.
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: The moustache, the round glasses, the hair, which is really
• 23:58
  Speaker 3: interesting because Leon Trotsky himself was a person who was
• 24:01
  Speaker 3: absolutely fascinated by books. So I don't know whether that
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: was creative control by Johnny Depp or not.
• 24:07
  Speaker 4: I actually put that in the very back of my
• 24:09
  Speaker 4: notes in case you didn't mention it and I knew
• 24:13
  Speaker 4: you would. Okay, go ahead. All right.
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: So we now see our protagonist visit the Balkan Press building.
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: his trip where he meets the spirit of the mountain,
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: aka Vulcan. He's lecturing people on witchcraft and Satanism. So
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: we're setting the tone really early what this film's actually about.
• 24:33
  Speaker 3: Dean falls asleep during this lecture, but before doing so,
• 24:36
  Speaker 3: he notices a very strange blonde woman who's staring at him,
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: has these very vibrant green eyes. He falls asleep during this.
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: It doesn't really interest him. You can see that he
• 24:46
  Speaker 3: doesn't care about the content of of what this guy's
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: telling or saying, and he just falls asleep. A few
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: moments later, he's awoken by Balkan and is given the
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: proposition of working for him. So he's there for a
• 24:59
  Speaker 3: meeting and he guides him to the elevator leading up
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: to his personal library. Now, I dare say you would
• 25:05
  Speaker 3: have noticed this too. What's the three buttons that he,
• 25:08
  Speaker 3: the button that he pressed three times on the elevator
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: to go up? 666.
• 25:12
  Speaker 4: Yeah, bingo, 666.
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: So you thrift the six three times to give six, six, six.
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: They're talking the whole time up this elevator. You're getting
• 25:23
  Speaker 3: a bit more character development. You're finding out that they're
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: both not the best people in the world. They don't
• 25:29
  Speaker 3: really have friends. They're not the nicest people. They all
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: stab someone in the back to get ahead. But they
• 25:35
  Speaker 3: know that about each other and there's somewhat of a
• 25:37
  Speaker 3: mutual respect for their profession and one another. He then
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: walks out of the elevator, goes to this giant ornate
• 25:45
  Speaker 3: glass cabinet of his personal library where there's giant monolithic
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: pillars on the inside of this building looking very ancient.
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: And to access the library, again, the code is 666,
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: at which point Balkan describes he has the most vast
• 26:03
  Speaker 3: collection on any one topic of one character, and that
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: protagonist is the devil.
• 26:11
  Speaker 4: This scene, to me, describes many things about those two.
• 26:19
  Speaker 4: But the girl backing up a little bit to the
• 26:26
  Speaker 4: lecture where he sees her and then he falls asleep.
• 26:31
  Speaker 4: She's totally out of place, but not out of place
• 26:35
  Speaker 4: enough that she couldn't just be a student anymore. She
• 26:39
  Speaker 4: has a messy bun and a jacket, a zip up jacket, sneakers.
• 26:44
  Speaker 4: So she could easily be a student, but she looks
• 26:48
  Speaker 4: younger than everyone else in the entire room. So she's
• 26:51
  Speaker 4: out of place, but not out of place. And this
• 26:54
  Speaker 4: is the first time that I noticed how the ambiguity
• 26:59
  Speaker 4: around this character starts the moment you see her, because
• 27:05
  Speaker 4: she could have been no one. She could have been,
• 27:08
  Speaker 4: the most important person in the room, you have no
• 27:10
  Speaker 4: idea because of her look. And the reason that Johnny
• 27:17
  Speaker 4: Depp associates her with Balkan is because that is his
• 27:21
  Speaker 4: first sighting of her. But I don't even think Balkan
• 27:28
  Speaker 4: being this pompous, he has this whole library, right? And
• 27:31
  Speaker 4: he's got all the books and da-da-da-da-da-da-da. He never... once
• 27:37
  Speaker 4: questioned how Johnny Depp was getting away with like all
• 27:42
  Speaker 4: this stuff. He was never like, how did you make
• 27:44
  Speaker 4: it out? And well, this girl showed up and I
• 27:46
  Speaker 4: think she's working with you. And he never questioned any
• 27:49
  Speaker 4: of that because he was so self-centered. And he tells
• 27:53
  Speaker 4: Johnny Depp when they're in the library, he's like, there's
• 27:55
  Speaker 4: nothing better than like a man's Tress that can be
• 28:00
  Speaker 4: bought for hard cash or something like that.
• 28:03
  Speaker 3: There's nothing more reliable than a man's loyalty that can
• 28:06
  Speaker 3: be bought with cold, hard cash.
• 28:08
  Speaker 4: Cold, hard cash, yeah. Do you have anything about the
• 28:13
  Speaker 4: little conversation that they're having while they're looking at the
• 28:17
  Speaker 4: book for the first time when they flip it open?
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: The engravings you're now admiring were adapted by Torquia from
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: the Della Melonica collection. They form a kind of satanic riddle.
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: Correctly interpreted with the aid of the original text and
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: sufficient inside information, they're reputed to conjure up the Prince
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: of Darkness in person. You don't say. Are you a
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: religious man, Mr. Corso? I mean, do you believe in
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: the supernatural?
• 28:49
  Speaker 5: I believe in my percentage. Don't you get dizzy standing there?
• 28:59
  Speaker 5: What is it that you want from me, Balkan? I
• 29:08
  Speaker 5: want you to go to Europe and investigate. The other
• 29:11
  Speaker 5: two copies are in Portugal and France. I want you
• 29:13
  Speaker 5: to find some way of comparing them with mine. Every page,
• 29:17
  Speaker 5: every engraving, the binding, everything. I'm convinced only one is authentic.
• 29:21
  Speaker 5: I want to know which. That could be an expensive trip.
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: That's to get you started. Spend what you need.
• 29:31
  Speaker 5: What if I find that your copy's a forgery?
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: It's quite possible.
• 29:36
  Speaker 4: Really?
• 29:39
  Speaker 5: It doesn't appear to be. Even the paper sounds kosher.
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: Even so, there's something wrong.
• 29:48
  Speaker 5: You mean the devil won't show up?
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: If all three copies turn out to be bogus or incomplete,
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: your work will be done. If, on the other hand,
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: one of them turns out to be genuine, I'll finance
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: you further. I want you to get it for me.
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: At all costs. Never mind how.
• 30:06
  Speaker 5: Never mind how sounds illegal.
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: Wouldn't be the first time you've done something illegal.
• 30:11
  Speaker 5: Not that illegal.
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: Hence the size of the check. Do a good job.
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: I'll double it.
• 30:25
  Speaker 5: There's gotta be something wrong with it if you're letting it.
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: Out of your hands. I have the utmost faith in you, Mr. Corso.
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: There's nothing more reliable than a man whose loyalty can
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: be bought for hard cash.
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: So the whole idea is Balkan has hired Johnny Depp
• 30:39
  Speaker 3: as an appraiser to look at the book that he's
• 30:42
  Speaker 3: just purchased. Now, Balkan's come to the conclusion, the information
• 30:46
  Speaker 3: that there's actually three books in circulation, but only one
• 30:50
  Speaker 3: of them is genuine. And his whole idea is that
• 30:52
  Speaker 3: he's hiring Corso to appraise the books, to look at them,
• 30:56
  Speaker 3: compare them, to find out which is the original, which
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: is the real one, to find out which one's a counterfeit.
• 31:02
  Speaker 3: This in itself is a nod to the Holy Trinity.
• 31:05
  Speaker 3: It's like an inversion of it, that there's not just
• 31:07
  Speaker 3: one book, there's three that have to be used together
• 31:10
  Speaker 3: to decipher the code that we find out later on
• 31:12
  Speaker 3: in the story. In their discussion, he's boasting and bragging
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: about this book because it's the ultimate of his collection.
• 31:20
  Speaker 3: It was a final piece he needed for his library collection.
• 31:23
  Speaker 3: And he's talking about how the book was made in
• 31:25
  Speaker 3: Venice in 1666. So, once more, we get that 666
• 31:29
  Speaker 3: symbolism again. And he's talking about how the author was
• 31:34
  Speaker 3: writing this book in league with the devil based off
• 31:38
  Speaker 3: the devil's own version of the Bible. And he was
• 31:41
  Speaker 3: transcribing it onto this book. And this character was later
• 31:44
  Speaker 3: burned alive by the Inquisition.
• 31:47
  Speaker 10: Mm-hmm.
• 31:49
  Speaker 3: And- They're going through the book and he's looking at it.
• 31:51
  Speaker 3: And this is the first time we find out that
• 31:53
  Speaker 3: Corso is actually a very well-read person. He's just not
• 31:56
  Speaker 3: an appraiser. He's very knowledgeable in languages and history. He
• 31:59
  Speaker 3: reads the bottom Latin transcript, silence is golden. And we
• 32:04
  Speaker 3: can see a bit of a smirk on Balkan's face.
• 32:06
  Speaker 3: And he says, yes, that's exactly what it is. And
• 32:10
  Speaker 3: he's asking him about, are you a religious man? Do
• 32:13
  Speaker 3: you have a belief in the spiritual world in those realms?
• 32:17
  Speaker 3: And Corso turns around and says, I believe in my percentage.
• 32:21
  Speaker 3: I don't really care about any of this stuff. I
• 32:22
  Speaker 3: just want the money. Tell me what I've got to do.
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: Let me get this job done. Let's stop the small chat.
• 32:27
  Speaker 3: Let me just be done with it all. Yep.
• 32:29
  Speaker 4: Totally uninterested. And that kind of bothered Balkan because he's
• 32:34
  Speaker 4: one of those that likes to just hear himself speak.
• 32:37
  Speaker 4: And he wanted Corso to be interested in it so
• 32:41
  Speaker 4: he could just give him a big lecture like he
• 32:43
  Speaker 4: was just doing in the classroom. But When he says that,
• 32:48
  Speaker 4: you're off the bat going ahead and making the assumption
• 32:52
  Speaker 4: that Corso is totally skeptical. He is a skeptic. The
• 32:55
  Speaker 4: book could have been how McDonald's was fucking founded. He
• 32:59
  Speaker 4: doesn't give a shit. Like, he does not give a
• 33:03
  Speaker 4: single shit about what the book is. But he agrees
• 33:07
  Speaker 4: to do the job. And he now has to investigate
• 33:13
  Speaker 4: further into the origins of the book. And the book
• 33:18
  Speaker 4: was written by something-something Torcha in tandem with the devil,
• 33:29
  Speaker 4: pretty much. I can't remember the first of his name,
• 33:31
  Speaker 4: but it's something-something Torcha. And they're going to the previous
• 33:38
  Speaker 4: owner before Balkan, which is Tefler. And here's where we
• 33:44
  Speaker 4: meet Liliana.
• 33:47
  Speaker 10: Yeah.
• 33:47
  Speaker 3: Before we jump into that, I'd have to point out
• 33:49
  Speaker 3: that the whole time this conversation is going on, it's
• 33:52
  Speaker 3: like Corso doesn't actually want the job. He's looked at
• 33:55
  Speaker 3: the book, he's flipped through it, he's like, yeah, it's genuine,
• 33:57
  Speaker 3: just pay me. He even flicks the pages and goes,
• 33:59
  Speaker 3: it even sounds kosher. At which point, Balkan says, yes,
• 34:03
  Speaker 3: but there's something wrong with it. And Corso says to him, what,
• 34:07
  Speaker 3: the devil didn't appear? So, implying- and he doesn't deny it. So,
• 34:11
  Speaker 3: it's implying that this man who has a huge interest
• 34:14
  Speaker 3: in the esoteric and the devil has actually tried to
• 34:17
  Speaker 3: summon Lucifer through this book and it hasn't worked. That's
• 34:22
  Speaker 3: why he's actively trying to find out what's wrong with
• 34:24
  Speaker 3: it to see if it's a fake. So, yes, you're right.
• 34:26
  Speaker 3: He does leave this, reluctantly takes the job. He's written
• 34:30
  Speaker 3: a check, doesn't even look at the number on it
• 34:32
  Speaker 3: to see how much he's paid, puts it in his
• 34:35
  Speaker 3: pocket and then checks it later. He leaves and then
• 34:39
  Speaker 3: goes and sees Liliana Telfer. Now, this is where Liliana's
• 34:43
  Speaker 3: name comes into it.
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: Yes. So.
• 34:45
  Speaker 3: It's Hebrew in origin for my God has answered, and
• 34:50
  Speaker 3: Telfer French means to cut. So we know in satanic
• 34:55
  Speaker 3: rituals they engage with the other world through blood magic
• 34:58
  Speaker 3: and bloodletting. Liliana's God has answered through her self-bloodletting.
• 35:05
  Speaker 4: Oh, my God. I also feel like it was their...
• 35:15
  Speaker 4: maybe like their wink or nod in the direction of
• 35:20
  Speaker 4: will it. So it's the inversion again, because this Scarlet whore,
• 35:30
  Speaker 4: this Lilith, this fucking Liliana, I hated her character from
• 35:36
  Speaker 4: the second I saw her in the movie. She had
• 35:41
  Speaker 4: ruby red lipstick on, but very gothic, like a gothic
• 35:44
  Speaker 4: chic type of vibe. And didn't really seem too concerned
• 35:52
  Speaker 4: or remorseful that her husband just literally hung himself a
• 35:57
  Speaker 4: few days before this. But so Corso shows up at
• 36:02
  Speaker 4: her house and she is acting like she knows everything.
• 36:07
  Speaker 4: nothing about the nine gates, but Drew, tell us a
• 36:10
  Speaker 4: little bit more about this scene.
• 36:12
  Speaker 3: So he's sitting down really just trying to unpack why
• 36:15
  Speaker 3: the husband would sell such an important book and trying
• 36:19
  Speaker 3: to unpack where he got it from to find out
• 36:21
  Speaker 3: whether it's a forgery or not. And she seems shocked.
• 36:25
  Speaker 3: She's shocked that her husband sold his most prized possession.
• 36:29
  Speaker 3: She plays it pretty well. So he's trying to gleam
• 36:31
  Speaker 3: an understanding behind why He would sell it prior to
• 36:34
  Speaker 3: a suicide. And she makes out that it's his most
• 36:38
  Speaker 3: prized possession in his collection. And he was acting very
• 36:41
  Speaker 3: strange in his last few days before his death that
• 36:43
  Speaker 3: he was actually around that book in his office for
• 36:47
  Speaker 3: the days leading up to it and only coming out
• 36:49
  Speaker 3: to eat. And then one morning she heard the scream
• 36:51
  Speaker 3: of the help as they found his body. Like you said,
• 36:55
  Speaker 3: she's presented very dark. She's wearing dark satin clothes and,
• 37:00
  Speaker 3: red nails red lips her hair's even slightly dyed a
• 37:04
  Speaker 3: darker color she's not an unattractive woman by any means
• 37:08
  Speaker 3: as well so she's trying to um boost this persona
• 37:11
  Speaker 3: of like a sexual energy going on but she's playing
• 37:15
  Speaker 3: it very dumb and she's not letting out too much
• 37:18
  Speaker 3: information she's kind of playing the role of the the
• 37:21
  Speaker 3: rich housewife who didn't really know what the wealthy husband
• 37:23
  Speaker 3: was up to so.
• 37:27
  Speaker 4: She is a slutty slut bag. And it's like you said,
• 37:34
  Speaker 4: it's not that she was unattractive. It's just she was
• 37:38
  Speaker 4: playing like she didn't know anything. So she could actually
• 37:42
  Speaker 4: gain information from Corso because I don't think she even
• 37:47
  Speaker 4: knew what happened to the book. I think her husband
• 37:49
  Speaker 4: probably sold it and then killed himself. And she was like,
• 37:52
  Speaker 4: where the fuck is my book?
• 37:53
  Speaker 3: Ready for the connection?
• 37:54
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 37:55
  Speaker 10: Go ahead.
• 37:55
  Speaker 8: Go ahead.
• 37:56
  Speaker 3: The first gate, the first page, the first transcript, silence
• 38:01
  Speaker 3: is golden. This scene is silence is golden because she's
• 38:05
  Speaker 3: refusing to talk about the truth and she's gaining information
• 38:08
  Speaker 3: from Corso. Oh. So, this is what I'm going to
• 38:13
  Speaker 3: point out throughout the film. There are key scenes in
• 38:16
  Speaker 3: this film which actually relate to each of the gates. So,
• 38:20
  Speaker 3: each of the pictures that are drawn in these books
• 38:22
  Speaker 3: are There's a scene that correlates to each of the
• 38:24
  Speaker 3: events in this story that each of the characters have
• 38:26
  Speaker 3: to go through to obtain enlightenment by the end.
• 38:32
  Speaker 4: So I have in my notes that the entire movie,
• 38:37
  Speaker 4: just like how the first five minutes was taking us
• 38:40
  Speaker 4: through the gates, I feel like the rest of the
• 38:43
  Speaker 4: movie from start to finish was just us seeing Corso
• 38:48
  Speaker 4: going through the gates, right? but I had a hard
• 38:51
  Speaker 4: time finding out what the first gate was. I wrote
• 38:55
  Speaker 4: down that it was when he met Balkan for the
• 38:59
  Speaker 4: first time. I felt like that was significant, but that
• 39:04
  Speaker 4: makes more sense. This with the silence is golden thing.
• 39:08
  Speaker 4: And then I for sure know what the second gate is,
• 39:11
  Speaker 4: but yeah, such an interesting movie because if you're watching
• 39:16
  Speaker 4: it just to watch a movie, you're going to fucking
• 39:18
  Speaker 4: hate it because it's so slow and kind of like
• 39:21
  Speaker 4: you said, sluggish, but there's so much going on. So
• 39:26
  Speaker 4: he meets Liliana, slut bag, uh, Mrs. Telfer, and then
• 39:31
  Speaker 4: what happens?
• 39:33
  Speaker 3: So he then goes to the library. So he's at
• 39:36
  Speaker 3: the library trying to investigate the book a bit more.
• 39:39
  Speaker 3: He's taking out volumes of a study by Kessler, which
• 39:44
  Speaker 3: is a character we meet later on, Baroness Kessler. She
• 39:46
  Speaker 3: wrote a book about the creation of the book and
• 39:48
  Speaker 3: the author of it. So he's trying to correspond to
• 39:50
  Speaker 3: make sure it's a proper book and everything's kosher. At
• 39:55
  Speaker 3: which point he sees a woman in the library as
• 40:01
  Speaker 3: he's looking through the books. He sees that blonde woman again.
• 40:05
  Speaker 3: But just prior to this, he's looking in the book
• 40:08
  Speaker 3: and he notices that that's the very front page of it.
• 40:10
  Speaker 3: And in Latin, it says, thus let the light shine.
• 40:14
  Speaker 3: That's the opening title of the book. Thus let the
• 40:17
  Speaker 3: light shine. As we know, Lucifer is the light bringer.
• 40:20
  Speaker 3: So it's definitely the devil's book, but the symbolism on
• 40:22
  Speaker 3: the front of it, we have a cloud on top
• 40:24
  Speaker 3: of a tree with a snake wound around it. That's
• 40:27
  Speaker 3: actually the symbolic of the Kabbalah.
• 40:31
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 40:32
  Speaker 10: Yes.
• 40:33
  Speaker 4: And we can come up with a name for the girl,
• 40:37
  Speaker 4: quote unquote, the messy bun. I think she looks like
• 40:41
  Speaker 4: a Katrina. And I also have a few different theories
• 40:46
  Speaker 4: on who I think she is that just to kind of,
• 40:50
  Speaker 4: go outside the box because a lot of people speculate
• 40:54
  Speaker 4: that she was Lucifer, which could be true. And I
• 41:01
  Speaker 4: have another theory to go along with it, but she
• 41:03
  Speaker 4: keeps appearing. First sighting in the lecture hall, second sighting
• 41:09
  Speaker 4: here in the library and messy bun. It peers through
• 41:16
  Speaker 4: the books at him and then quickly vanishes. And you're
• 41:20
  Speaker 4: not for sure if she has supernatural abilities yet, because
• 41:25
  Speaker 4: maybe he could have just not caught up to her.
• 41:29
  Speaker 4: Like she ran away and he couldn't see where she went,
• 41:32
  Speaker 4: but you later find out that she does have supernatural capabilities.
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 41:38
  Speaker 3: It's an interesting character. Polanski makes you feel like she's,
• 41:43
  Speaker 3: you're guessing the whole time. A lot of people early on,
• 41:46
  Speaker 3: seem to think that she actually might be an angel.
• 41:48
  Speaker 3: She might be good because she's following the bad guys
• 41:51
  Speaker 3: around and keeping tabs on them. Then we kind of
• 41:53
  Speaker 3: feel like, oh, is she Lucifer or is she the
• 41:55
  Speaker 3: whore of Babylon or is she a fallen angel? You're
• 41:58
  Speaker 3: questioning the whole time and your idea and understanding of
• 42:02
  Speaker 3: this character, it culminates at the very end of it.
• 42:05
  Speaker 3: The rest of the time you're guessing about the motives
• 42:07
  Speaker 3: of this character the whole time.
• 42:09
  Speaker 8: Mm-hmm.
• 42:10
  Speaker 4: And it's actually in the library when he opens the
• 42:14
  Speaker 4: nine gates and he's observing the engravings that it stuck
• 42:19
  Speaker 4: out to me. The first engraving is the danger will
• 42:27
  Speaker 4: come down on you from above engraving. And the figure
• 42:32
  Speaker 4: is very specifically drawn. The one with the bow and
• 42:35
  Speaker 4: arrow and the, I'll say who it is later, but
• 42:40
  Speaker 4: just bookmark that, everyone. The engraving with the little cherub-esque
• 42:46
  Speaker 4: being with a bow and arrow. Okay, moving on to
• 42:48
  Speaker 4: the next.
• 42:49
  Speaker 3: You'll actually notice that a lot of the characters that
• 42:52
  Speaker 3: are in this film are represented in the etchings within
• 42:55
  Speaker 3: the book. It's very much a Wizard of Oz style
• 42:57
  Speaker 3: type of a thing.
• 42:58
  Speaker 9: Yes.
• 42:59
  Speaker 3: So Dean ends up leaving the library, going back to
• 43:02
  Speaker 3: his home. It's pouring down rain. He finds the front
• 43:05
  Speaker 3: door to his apartment complex open, which you see he
• 43:07
  Speaker 3: finds odd. He then walks into his room, his house,
• 43:11
  Speaker 3: his apartment and finds it's been completely ransacked. So we
• 43:15
  Speaker 3: leave from here and Dean feels like that he's being followed,
• 43:17
  Speaker 3: that someone's trying to steal the book. That doesn't seem right.
• 43:20
  Speaker 3: So he goes to his friend Bernie's antique bookshop and
• 43:23
  Speaker 3: asks him to hide it.
• 43:26
  Speaker 4: Yes. And so Bernie is actually kind of reluctant, I
• 43:32
  Speaker 4: feel like. And then it's like, kind of sad what
• 43:37
  Speaker 4: happens but i think he was reluctant to hide the
• 43:40
  Speaker 4: book at first and after he agrees corso goes back
• 43:48
  Speaker 4: to his apartment right and that's the second appearance of
• 43:52
  Speaker 4: slut bag.
• 43:54
  Speaker 3: That's right so will he goes back home and he
• 43:58
  Speaker 3: gets a knock on the door and liliana's help is
• 44:00
  Speaker 3: there and she comes in and she initially just tries
• 44:02
  Speaker 3: to buy the book back she tries to appeal to
• 44:05
  Speaker 3: his his sense of greed and passion for money, which
• 44:09
  Speaker 3: he's kind of saying, you know, my client has a
• 44:11
  Speaker 3: lot more money than you. I don't think it's going
• 44:13
  Speaker 3: to go the way you want. I can't possibly sell it.
• 44:15
  Speaker 3: So she tries another approach. She tries to use her
• 44:18
  Speaker 3: sexual feminine wiles to try and seduce him. She lifts
• 44:22
  Speaker 3: her skirt up and shows a little bit of thigh.
• 44:25
  Speaker 3: He offers her a drink and she just grabs him
• 44:27
  Speaker 3: on the crotch. She doesn't mess around. Oh, yeah. She doesn't.
• 44:32
  Speaker 3: He's standing in front of her with two scotches and
• 44:34
  Speaker 3: she just grabs him by the old fella and proceeds
• 44:37
  Speaker 3: to seduce him. So you can tell that there's a
• 44:40
  Speaker 3: bit of a time jump. They've clearly slept together. They're
• 44:42
  Speaker 3: both laying on the ground. He's lathered in sweat. She's
• 44:45
  Speaker 3: all messed up. But prior to this, it's the way
• 44:50
  Speaker 3: in which she kisses him seems very serpentine, very animalistic.
• 44:57
  Speaker 4: Yes, she tongues him down.
• 44:59
  Speaker 7: Oh, my God.
• 45:00
  Speaker 3: It's so gross. Even her cigarettes are black. They're rolled
• 45:04
  Speaker 3: in black paper.
• 45:06
  Speaker 4: And she has this fancy cigarette case because only bougie
• 45:13
  Speaker 4: sluts have the fancy cigarette cases. And after they get
• 45:20
  Speaker 4: freak nasty.
• 45:26
  Speaker 4: She's like, give me the book. And he's like, no.
• 45:31
  Speaker 4: And she's like, dad. It's really bad.
• 45:38
  Speaker 3: So while he's there having sex for the first time,
• 45:41
  Speaker 3: we see that she has like almost like a triple
• 45:44
  Speaker 3: infinity symbol of a snake on her thigh, which we
• 45:46
  Speaker 3: later find out is the silver serpent cult or esoteric group.
• 45:52
  Speaker 3: So laying on the ground, first thing she does after
• 45:55
  Speaker 3: the act is She goes to his bag and she's
• 45:57
  Speaker 3: rifling through it. She says, where is it? And he says,
• 46:00
  Speaker 3: where's what? And she says in the most demonic tone,
• 46:03
  Speaker 3: which for the shortest amount of time made me believe
• 46:05
  Speaker 3: that actually she was the devil. She says, don't fuck
• 46:08
  Speaker 3: with me. And then she jumps on him and starts
• 46:11
  Speaker 3: beating the shit out of him, like you said. And
• 46:13
  Speaker 3: he's trying to fight her off. He grabs her by
• 46:14
  Speaker 3: the wrist and she leans in and bites his chest.
• 46:17
  Speaker 3: She's that much of a psycho bitch.
• 46:19
  Speaker 4: She is legitimately, she wants to actually kill him, I think.
• 46:26
  Speaker 4: doesn't she like break a beer bottle and like go
• 46:29
  Speaker 4: after him it's like it went from okay give me
• 46:33
  Speaker 4: the book and then literally attempted murder so how does
• 46:40
  Speaker 4: he get her out of there or he just runs
• 46:44
  Speaker 4: out or something she cracks him over the head and
• 46:48
  Speaker 4: he passes out.
• 46:49
  Speaker 3: Right one of the many times he gets knocked out
• 46:51
  Speaker 3: in this film which actually relates back to another one
• 46:54
  Speaker 3: of the pictures in the book Um, so he wakes
• 46:56
  Speaker 3: up after this and the first thing he does is go,
• 46:59
  Speaker 3: oh shit, I've got to call Bernie. He calls Bernie,
• 47:01
  Speaker 3: doesn't get an answer. Come on, Bernie, pick up. He
• 47:04
  Speaker 3: leaves and goes to Bernie's apartment. He has his bags packed,
• 47:07
  Speaker 3: everything so he can flee to Europe on this trip.
• 47:10
  Speaker 3: He gets in and he sees Bernie hanging from the
• 47:13
  Speaker 3: staircase from one foot in the exact manner of the
• 47:17
  Speaker 3: page that he earlier commented on the book. So when
• 47:19
  Speaker 3: Bernie's looking at the book, ready to hide it, He
• 47:22
  Speaker 3: stops at a page where we see a man hanging
• 47:24
  Speaker 3: from a tower by one leg, and Bernie says, these
• 47:27
  Speaker 3: engravings are terrific, sensational, absolutely sensational. The one he comments
• 47:32
  Speaker 3: on and stops on is the manner in which he dies. Yes.
• 47:36
  Speaker 4: So do you believe this is the second gate?
• 47:39
  Speaker 3: I believe this is the second gate, yeah.
• 47:42
  Speaker 4: Okay, so that is what I also have in my notes.
• 47:44
  Speaker 4: This is the second gate. So we're now at two
• 47:47
  Speaker 4: gates and two bodies, right? Tefler and Bernie, RIP. And
• 47:56
  Speaker 4: now moving on, he gets a taxi from the bookshop
• 48:03
  Speaker 4: and he's horrified because that's his friend. Even though he's
• 48:06
  Speaker 4: not overly emotional, you can tell that really bothered him.
• 48:11
  Speaker 4: And I actually read something where he was interviewed about
• 48:15
  Speaker 4: this movie and he said, it's up to the director
• 48:18
  Speaker 4: to push the actor to get what they need out
• 48:22
  Speaker 4: of them and Roman Polanski was like I never understood
• 48:25
  Speaker 4: why Johnny Depp played that character so flatly and so
• 48:29
  Speaker 4: I think there was like a miscommunication there because he
• 48:33
  Speaker 4: did play it like really kind of emotionless and uh
• 48:38
  Speaker 4: flat but.
• 48:40
  Speaker 3: I think it worked out though it played into the
• 48:42
  Speaker 3: character's um apathy to everything else but money which is
• 48:46
  Speaker 3: really interesting because we see that we know this guy
• 48:48
  Speaker 3: must grift people and get a lot of money out
• 48:50
  Speaker 3: of his profession, but he lives in a really humble house.
• 48:54
  Speaker 3: It's just a tiny little apartment. He doesn't have the
• 48:56
  Speaker 3: best furniture. So it makes you wonder where his money
• 48:59
  Speaker 3: is actually going to.
• 49:02
  Speaker 4: Unless he's just like banking it, you know, because it's
• 49:05
  Speaker 4: like you said, very bare minimum with everything, his wardrobe,
• 49:10
  Speaker 4: his apartments. But so he gets a taxi and, he
• 49:16
  Speaker 4: stops along the way and visits a pay phone and
• 49:22
  Speaker 4: calls Balkan because he wants out of the job and
• 49:26
  Speaker 4: you could probably put a little bit more detail on
• 49:29
  Speaker 4: that conversation.
• 49:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah so after the events of finding uh Bernie dead
• 49:34
  Speaker 3: he's he said that's it I quit I don't want
• 49:35
  Speaker 3: the job And essentially, Balkan just pushes that more money
• 49:39
  Speaker 3: is going to be available for you if you can
• 49:41
  Speaker 3: do this. Have you got the book? He's always asking,
• 49:45
  Speaker 3: do you have the book on you? Where is it?
• 49:47
  Speaker 3: That type of thing. He speaks a little bit to
• 49:52
  Speaker 3: Liana about what her motivations are and that she's wanting
• 49:55
  Speaker 3: the book back, that type of a deal. But it
• 49:58
  Speaker 3: doesn't really go too far beyond, you've got to stick
• 50:00
  Speaker 3: this out and make sure that you can verify these
• 50:04
  Speaker 3: books for me. So he leaves the phone call a
• 50:07
  Speaker 3: bit bemused by it, that the guy wouldn't let him
• 50:08
  Speaker 3: out of the deal. And he goes to the airport
• 50:11
  Speaker 3: and flies to the first destination, which is Portugal. So
• 50:15
  Speaker 3: he arrives in Portugal and he's walking through this really
• 50:18
  Speaker 3: old town, cobblestone streets, old brickwork, looks very barren. There's
• 50:24
  Speaker 3: no people and there's one kid of anyone you see there.
• 50:27
  Speaker 3: And he enters this library, which is held by two twins.
• 50:32
  Speaker 3: that are very, very interesting in themselves. And I think
• 50:34
  Speaker 3: you can note to who they look.
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: Like as well.
• 50:38
  Speaker 6: Yes.
• 50:39
  Speaker 4: So this bookshop owned by the twins, for those who
• 50:44
  Speaker 4: need a visual description, it looks like the town from
• 50:50
  Speaker 4: the beginning of the exorcist. I don't know if you
• 50:53
  Speaker 4: remember that, but that it just reminded me of that.
• 50:57
  Speaker 4: So yeah, He goes in and he meets the twins
• 51:01
  Speaker 4: who own a bookstore of rare books, but they're both
• 51:05
  Speaker 4: chain smokers. And they're dropping their fucking ashes all over
• 51:09
  Speaker 4: the priceless works. And they look like the cherub-esque figure
• 51:16
  Speaker 4: from the first engraving of the Nine Gates with the
• 51:20
  Speaker 4: bow and arrow. They are that character. or devil, demon, whatever.
• 51:29
  Speaker 4: That's them.
• 51:32
  Speaker 5: My client wishes to satisfy himself on the book's authenticity.
• 51:36
  Speaker 5: His name is Balkan, Boris Balkan of New York.
• 51:39
  Speaker 7: All books have a destiny of their own. Even a
• 51:41
  Speaker 7: life of their own.
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: Mr.
• 51:43
  Speaker 7: Balkan is a celebrated collector. He's no fool. He must
• 51:48
  Speaker 7: know this book is authentic.
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: We know it.
• 51:50
  Speaker 7: So must he. We've had this book for years. Many years.
• 51:53
  Speaker 7: An ample opportunity to study thoroughly.
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: Painting.
• 51:57
  Speaker 9: The bindings are magnificent, a sample of 17th century Venetian craftsmanship.
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: Finest rock paper, resistant to the passage of time. Modern
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: wood pulp.
• 52:09
  Speaker 7: Watermarks, ink, typefaces.
• 52:13
  Speaker 9: If this is a forgery or a copy with missing
• 52:15
  Speaker 9: pages restored, it's the work of a master.
• 52:18
  Speaker 7: A master.
• 52:19
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 52:20
  Speaker 5: Have you studied the engravings? They seem to have some
• 52:24
  Speaker 5: underlying significance.
• 52:25
  Speaker 7: But of course. Here, for example.
• 52:28
  Speaker 9: This one could be interpreted as a warning. Venture too far,
• 52:32
  Speaker 9: it seems to say, and danger will descend on you
• 52:34
  Speaker 9: from above.
• 52:36
  Speaker 7: This type of books often contain little puzzles. Especially in
• 52:40
  Speaker 7: the case of such an illustrious collaborator.
• 52:43
  Speaker 5: Collaborator?
• 52:44
  Speaker 7: You couldn't not proceed very far.
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: In your research, senor. Here, look close. You see?
• 52:50
  Speaker 9: Only six of the nine engravings were signed by Aristide Torquio.
• 52:54
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 52:55
  Speaker 5: And the other three?
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: This is one of them. L.C.F. Who's L.C.F.? Think. Lucifer?
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: Very perceptive of you, senor.
• 53:16
  Speaker 11: Torquia was burnt alive because he wrote this book in
• 53:21
  Speaker 11: collaboration with someone else.
• 53:23
  Speaker 5: Come on, you can't honestly believe.
• 53:25
  Speaker 9: That the man who wrote this book We saw an
• 53:27
  Speaker 9: alliance with the devil and went to the stake for it.
• 53:30
  Speaker 7: Even hell has its heroes, senor.
• 53:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and we find out that the death from above
• 53:36
  Speaker 3: happens soon after this little encounter. So we find out
• 53:40
  Speaker 3: that these two characters, they actually owned the book before
• 53:44
  Speaker 3: Tefla bought it from them. And we find out that
• 53:47
  Speaker 3: it was the wife that was very motivated about it.
• 53:50
  Speaker 3: She saw the book and she had to have it.
• 53:52
  Speaker 3: And she persuaded and pushed Andrew to buy the book
• 53:55
  Speaker 3: for her. which he seems very confused about. And he says, no,
• 53:59
  Speaker 3: I thought it was in his collection. He says, oh, no, no, senor.
• 54:02
  Speaker 3: It was her. She wanted it. And he said, they
• 54:07
  Speaker 3: seem to know that it was Balkan that bought the book.
• 54:09
  Speaker 3: Everyone seems to know this guy. He runs in these circles.
• 54:13
  Speaker 3: And they made a comment about the book and who
• 54:15
  Speaker 3: it ended up with and who's had it in their possession.
• 54:17
  Speaker 3: They say, all books have a destiny of their own
• 54:20
  Speaker 3: and a life of their own. So this book is almost...
• 54:24
  Speaker 3: going between people trying to find the right person to
• 54:28
  Speaker 3: unpack its secrets. They're looking through the book, looking at pages,
• 54:33
  Speaker 3: and he's asking these two guys, could this be a fake?
• 54:36
  Speaker 3: Could this be something that's replicated? And they're saying, oh, no, no, no,
• 54:38
  Speaker 3: it couldn't be. You need the period paper, you need
• 54:41
  Speaker 3: the inks, you need the press, and it's more costly
• 54:44
  Speaker 3: to make a fake than it would be to sell
• 54:47
  Speaker 3: an original. And he pointed out a couple of little keys.
• 54:50
  Speaker 3: There's misprints on the letters, and then he points down
• 54:53
  Speaker 3: to a little inscription at the bottom, LCF. And Corsa
• 54:57
  Speaker 3: has no idea what this is. Who's LCF? And he goes,
• 55:00
  Speaker 3: who do you think it is with a smirk? And
• 55:01
  Speaker 3: he says, Lucifer. And he says, yes, even hell has
• 55:05
  Speaker 3: its heroes, senor.
• 55:07
  Speaker 4: Even hell has its heroes. And so now that he
• 55:14
  Speaker 4: is of the understanding that the engravings are signed LCF
• 55:21
  Speaker 4: or LCF, th or tf whatever for torture he notices
• 55:28
  Speaker 4: that it's like every other one is signed by lcf
• 55:33
  Speaker 4: which is interesting right and i don't think he believes
• 55:37
  Speaker 4: that it's actually lucifer because when he says that he
• 55:41
  Speaker 4: almost rolls his eyes like okay yeah lucifer drew this
• 55:45
  Speaker 4: one um but it's i think the fact that they're
• 55:49
  Speaker 4: twins is also significant too by the way But it's
• 55:54
  Speaker 4: after he leaves this bookshop that I think we pass
• 55:59
  Speaker 4: through the third gate.
• 56:02
  Speaker 3: Yes, he's walking down through an alleyway with scaffolding on
• 56:05
  Speaker 3: the side. And as he's walking through, the scaffolding starts
• 56:08
  Speaker 3: to fall and he has to run. Otherwise, he's going
• 56:10
  Speaker 3: to be crushed. So that is the death from above
• 56:12
  Speaker 3: that we see in that original transcription with the cherub
• 56:16
  Speaker 3: and the arrow pointing down. So that's the third gate
• 56:18
  Speaker 3: him passing through.
• 56:21
  Speaker 4: Do you think that they were trying to kill him?
• 56:27
  Speaker 3: I think that these are events that have to happen
• 56:30
  Speaker 3: for the character. I think the characters have to go
• 56:32
  Speaker 3: through turmoil, pain, fear, all of these things as they
• 56:37
  Speaker 3: pass through these gates so that they can get to
• 56:39
  Speaker 3: the final stage and attain enlightenment from Lucifer in this story.
• 56:45
  Speaker 3: So I don't know whether it was someone trying to
• 56:46
  Speaker 3: kill him. We find out later on that there's a
• 56:48
  Speaker 3: bodyguard from Liana that's been following him, trying to get
• 56:52
  Speaker 3: the book. So we're left to wonder, did this thing
• 56:55
  Speaker 3: collapse supernaturally on top of him that he had to
• 56:58
  Speaker 3: evade it, or was someone trying to knock it down?
• 57:02
  Speaker 4: Do you think I just had a weird thought? And
• 57:06
  Speaker 4: you can tell me if I'm full of shit, but
• 57:10
  Speaker 4: doesn't Corso, like he has to pass through all nine
• 57:13
  Speaker 4: gates himself, and the first gate was the silence gate.
• 57:18
  Speaker 4: So what if him stealing those books from that mute
• 57:23
  Speaker 4: guy is the first gate?
• 57:25
  Speaker 3: That could be as well, because he's putting someone else
• 57:29
  Speaker 3: through some kind of torture in doing so.
• 57:32
  Speaker 4: Right, because he couldn't speak for himself, and he literally
• 57:37
  Speaker 4: robbed him.
• 57:37
  Speaker 3: And the silence is gold, and he got the gold
• 57:39
  Speaker 3: from it.
• 57:41
  Speaker 4: Do you think maybe that could have been the first gate?
• 57:44
  Speaker 3: That could definitely be it, yeah.
• 57:46
  Speaker 4: I think that Tefler was... maybe trying to open his
• 57:50
  Speaker 4: own gates and he fucked up and maybe got like, Oh,
• 57:56
  Speaker 4: went in way over his head and then he killed himself.
• 57:58
  Speaker 4: But it's like, for me, I think, see, this is
• 58:01
  Speaker 4: why I love this movie. It's so fucking cerebral. You think,
• 58:04
  Speaker 4: you know what's going on, but you fucking don't know shit.
• 58:07
  Speaker 4: All right. So after the scaffolding event, take us to
• 58:13
  Speaker 4: our next stop.
• 58:14
  Speaker 3: So next stop is we find him on a train
• 58:16
  Speaker 3: and he sees again for the third time, the strange woman.
• 58:20
  Speaker 3: So the blonde is there again. And he has a
• 58:24
  Speaker 3: little bit of an interaction with her and he's like, oh.
• 58:26
  Speaker 3: And he asks the question about her being a student.
• 58:29
  Speaker 3: Is this why you're on the poorer class stagecoaches? Is
• 58:32
  Speaker 3: it because you're a student? And she says, yes, something
• 58:35
  Speaker 3: like that with a bit of a smirk. She never
• 58:37
  Speaker 3: gives away a lot of information. She leaves the viewer
• 58:41
  Speaker 3: wanting more to try and find out who she is.
• 58:44
  Speaker 3: So they're on this train. This train is then heading
• 58:46
  Speaker 3: towards- the next character who owns the second book, which
• 58:50
  Speaker 3: is Victor Fargus.
• 58:53
  Speaker 4: I think that she purposely doesn't give a lot of
• 58:57
  Speaker 4: information because if she is the devil, he's the devil Lucifer,
• 59:03
  Speaker 4: he slash she is the god of lies and deceit.
• 59:10
  Speaker 4: and they don't answer a question with the truthful answer
• 59:15
  Speaker 4: it's a omission of truth or a half truth or
• 59:21
  Speaker 4: completely ambiguous statement are you a student maybe or it's
• 59:28
  Speaker 4: like why are you on this train I like trains.
• 59:32
  Speaker 4: You know, it's never like an answer. And this is
• 59:36
  Speaker 4: the first time when I saw her eyes glowed and
• 59:40
  Speaker 4: started almost like a lizard person, not a human shade
• 59:45
  Speaker 4: of green and like pulsating. Why he didn't notice that,
• 59:50
  Speaker 4: God only knows. But so, yes, go ahead.
• 59:54
  Speaker 3: So we meet Vector Fargus, which is Latin for Conqueror
• 59:59
  Speaker 3: and Fargus means forges, which is interesting in the manner
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 3: in which this guy dies because you temper steel by
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 3: putting it in water, and this is how a character dies,
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 3: by being drowned in water. He meets with them, and
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 3: this guy's the most open out of all the people
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 3: that owns books. He doesn't really seem to care too much.
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 3: He doesn't seem to be a believer in Satan. He's
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 3: just a collector of rare older books. He shows off
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 3: his whole collection. He's very proud of it. You can
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 3: tell that this manor house is a place that's... in
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 3: disrepair and it's slowly crumbling away. And he even talks
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 3: to it. Corso says, to be honest, this isn't the
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 3: way I imagined the Fargus collection. And Fargus turns and
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 3: says to him, old families are like ancient civilizations. They
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 3: all wither and die.
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 3: And I think this is the thing that all of
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 3: these elites are trying to overcome in this whole storyline.
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 3: They're all committed to this book trying to obtain enlightenment
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 3: or information from Lucifer because they're trying to avoid death.
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 3: And I think in general, a lot of these elite societies,
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 3: that's what their end goal is. They want to overcome death.
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 3: They have a fear of death.
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 4: And this is where he compares the Balkan copy to
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 4: the Fargus copy and notices there are discrepancies in the engravings.
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 4: And you could probably speak a little bit more to that.
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so like what you said, some pages have.
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 3: Lucifer, or they have the author's titles there. So two
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 3: different people have drawn the pictures. And we notice that
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 3: in these variations of the pictures, there's slight discrepancies. In
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 3: this one scene, we see that in the Fargus collection,
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 3: the keys are in a different hand or they're different
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 3: styles of keys. Ironically, the person who's depicted in this
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 3: book with the keys looks like Fargus.
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 4: And....
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so that's the difference. The difference is there's slight
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 3: variations in the pictures, and if you find the different picture,
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 3: if you look closely, generally you'll find LCF as the
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 3: person who drew it or entity.
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 4: And he starts doing a little chart where he writes Spalken, Fargus,
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 4: and then eventually he'll write Kessler, and he's mapping out
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 4: the engravings, which is something that no one has done
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 4: before because... as you were saying before, they're elitist. They
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 4: think they have the one and only copy and fuck
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 4: those other copies. Like mine's the real one. But if
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 4: they wouldn't have been so egotistical, they may have been
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 4: able to open the gates, but they needed all three
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 4: of these copies in order to make it work. But
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 4: so he, he leaves the manor and this, What they
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 4: call an albino, which he's not. He just has bleach
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 4: blonde hair. Guy on a motorcycle tries to run him
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 4: off the road. And we see the third appearance of
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 4: Messy Bun on a motorcycle. And she kind of chases
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 4: the other guy off. And something that I have actually
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 4: spoken about before is when you see the bleach blonde hair,
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 4: like Marilyn Monroe, Kanye, Eminem... They change their hair color
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 4: so dramatically and intensely that it almost kind of signals
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 4: that they have an alter. They're now in an altered
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 4: state because when Kanye went crazy, he bleached his hair.
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 4: When Eminem went crazy, he bleached and buzz cutted his hair.
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 4: And then when I saw the guy in the motorbike
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 4: with the bleach blonde hair, I was like, oh, okay,
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 4: so he's into some shit. He's part of this cult. And,
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 4: but yeah, so he goes back to the hotel, right?
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 3: And he has a phone call. He has a conversation
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 3: with Balkan updating him what he's found out. He points
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 3: out to Balkan that both books are genuine, but there's discrepancies.
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 3: And as soon as Balkan finds out there's discrepancies, he says,
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 3: I have to have it. Corso, I have to have
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 3: this book by any means necessary. And he says, like,
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 3: the guy's not going to sell the book to save
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 3: his life. And then he kind of hangs up and
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 3: ends the conversation. So he then again sees the blonde.
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 3: The blonde is sitting down in the lobby of this
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 3: hotel and she's reading a book that's titled Winning Friends
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 3: and Influencing People.
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 4: Yes. And it's significant because he takes the book out
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 4: of her hand and he reads it. He's like, influencing
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 4: your friends and da, da, da. Is this a book
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 4: for school? And she was like, maybe. I just like books. Again,
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 4: like can never answer a question, can never be straightforward.
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 4: And if this character is who we think it is,
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 4: how fucking fitting is that?
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 1: Absolutely.
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 3: That's what makes you think that this person might be
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 3: the devil or a demon or something otherworldly that influences people.
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 4: So he insta-called with Balkan and he was like, the
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 4: old man wouldn't sell the book to save his life.
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 4: He said as much. And he was like, oh, did
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 4: he click? And 3 a.m., let's just say in the morning,
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 4: Messy Bun comes to Corso's room, Doxador, and was like,
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 4: you need to get over to the Fargus house. And
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 4: they take the motorbike back over to Fargus. And he's
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 4: drowned in the fish pond.
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah. So I found the man whose family name means forge.
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 3: So men are often referred to as steel in a
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 3: lot of esoteric things. He's been tempered by the water,
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 3: so he's dead. He's been drowned in there. She climbs in,
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 3: busts into the house, and we find out that the
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 3: book we think has been stolen. We see the gap
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 3: in where it was sitting amongst the collection of the
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 3: Fargus set. He notices over the fireplace is going. He
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 3: looks in there, and that's where the book is. He
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 3: breaks it out, dusts it off, gets the flames off it.
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 3: It's completely burnt in half. You think it's ruined until
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 3: he begins to flick through the pages, and it's very
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 3: clear that certain pages have been torn out. And then
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 3: the person's tried to cover up the evidence. This is
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 3: when we find out that Corso has some kind of
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 3: a belief in God as well. When he first saw
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 3: his friend dead, he said, Jesus Christ. And when he
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 3: sees Fargus dead, he says, God Almighty. They're the only
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 3: references we hear to God or a greater power that's
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 3: not evil throughout the entire movie when someone's dead and
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 3: he's commenting on it. So he has some kind of
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 3: a belief there. in the background that's going on.
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 4: And if it was Fargus in the engraving with the
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 4: keys and that name is associated with iron, could it
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 4: have been the iron keys, you know, iron gate? And
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 4: so he is that personified. And then, like you said,
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 4: with the drowning, but messy bun actually broke in the
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 4: house to let, um, Corso Inn, which to me signifies
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 4: another gate opening.
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 3: Yes. And it's almost through his death that the keys
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 3: are allowed so they can enter the dwelling. All right.
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 4: So where are we going after that?
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 3: Okay. So they leave and she says, we've got to
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 3: catch a flight to Paris. And he says, what do
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 3: you mean we? And she says, well, there's two of us,
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 3: aren't there? They're on the plane together. spending time. You think, okay,
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 3: now they're on this journey together. As soon as they land,
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 3: he's standing there, turns around and she's gone. She's completely disappeared.
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 3: And he turns around, he stops, he looks down at
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 3: a little blonde girl who stares back at him. And
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 3: it seems as if this girl's just disappeared. Messy bun
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 3: has disappeared now. So he moves on. He keeps going.
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 3: He eventually finds his way to Baroness Kessler. So Baroness
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 3: Kessler is of all people, is a German who's living
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 3: in Paris, who you can surmise lived during the war.
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 3: And it's a woman who said she's actually seen the
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 3: devil once in her life and he was beautiful.
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 4: That she was actually in love with him.
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 7: Yes.
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 3: And she's been devoting her life, her work, her library
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 3: to him. And that the book that they're talking about
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 3: and they're comparing demands a certain amount of faith to
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 3: understand it.
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 5: You know, I know your catalog almost by heart.
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 11: Strange we haven't met before. Your name is a byword
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 11: among dealers and collectors. But I imagine you know your
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 11: own reputation better than I do.
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 5: Yes, well, it does keep the wolf from the door,
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 5: so to speak. I'm sorry, Baroness, were you in the
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 5: middle of something?
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 11: My latest work, The Devil, History and Myth, a kind
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 11: of biography. It will be published early next year.
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 5: Why The Devil?
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 6: I saw him one day.
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 11: I was 15 years old, and I saw him as
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 11: plain as I see you now.
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 6: It was love at first sight.
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 5: You know, 300 years ago, you'd have been burned at
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 5: the stake for saying something like that.
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 6: 300 years ago, I wouldn't have said it.
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 7: Ha, ha, ha.
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 6: Nor would I have made a million by writing about it.
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 6: What is it you wish to discuss, Mr.
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 1: Corso?
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 5: There's a book in your collection I'd like to examine,
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 5: if possible. It's the book of the Nine Gates of
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 5: the Kingdom of Shadows.
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 6: The Nine Gates. An interesting work. Everyone's been asking me
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 6: about it lately.
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 5: Is that so?
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 6: Follow me.
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 5: You truly believe in the devil, Bernice?
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 11: Enough to devote my life and my library to him.
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 11: Not to mention many years of work.
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 6: Don't you?
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 5: Almost.
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 6: This book demands a certain amount of faith.
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 5: Yes, well, I'm afraid my faith is in short supply
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 5: these days.
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 6: I know this work extremely well. I've studied it for years.
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 5: Do you have any doubts about its authenticity?
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 6: Not whatsoever.
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 5: You sure?
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 6: My knowledge of this book is profound. I wrote a
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 6: biography of its author.
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 5: Yes, I've read it. Aristide Torkia, The Devil's Apprentice. Excellent work.
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 11: A courageous man. He died for the sake of this
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 11: very book in 1667. While studying the black arts in Prague,
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 11: he acquired a copy of the Dread Dello Melanikon. This
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 11: is Torkia's adaptation of that work, which was written by
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 11: Lucifer himself. After they burned him at the stake, a
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 11: secret society was founded to perpetuate its memory and preserve
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 11: its secrets.
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 6: The Order of the Silver Serpent.
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 3: Which we know Corso doesn't have faith and he doesn't
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 3: believe in it. He's very factual, very black and white.
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 3: This is when they start to have a conversation and
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 3: he's being a bit aloof to the point that he's
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 3: been sent by Balkan because he's got such a bad
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 3: name and he doesn't let that slip. And she's talking
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 3: about this book and who's had it and whose collections
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 3: it's been in. And she twigs and she says, who's
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 3: who you working for? Who sent you? And he says, oh,
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 3: my employer is very wealthy and just wants to confirm
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 3: the books. And she goes, well, you can tell Balkan
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 3: if he wants to come and look at my book
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 3: next time he can come and do it himself. She
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 3: knows straight away. So he's kind of burnt his bridge
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 3: in this case. He leaves. He returns to the hotel
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 3: and he's talking to Balkan about- He doesn't have a
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 3: chance to look at it because he can't get through.
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 3: She saw through it all. And he pushes him again.
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 3: You need to have a look at that book. You
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 3: have to gain access to it. You're going to have
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 3: to try and get through to it. And he says, well,
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 3: I'm going to have to see if I can give
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 3: a peace offering or something along those lines to try
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 3: and get inside. And this is when we start to
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 3: see the blonde man more often. We see our main character. He's,
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 3: Corso's drinking in a bar. He's always drinking. He drinks
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 3: like a fish and smokes like a chimmy. He's always
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 3: doing that. He's sitting down to whiskies and he notices
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 3: this Dennis Rodman looking fella outside watching him. He's standing
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 3: there like this, just watching the whole time. And you
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 3: can see that hours have passed. His receipts are piling
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 3: up on the table. The glasses are starting to pile up.
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 3: And he turns from his last drink and notices the
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 3: man's gone. And Corso thinks to himself, this is my opportunity.
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 3: I can get away. He gets out and then the
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 3: car comes after him again. So he runs. He runs
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 3: down the stairs. He disappears. He thinks he's lost them.
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 3: He starts to walk up the stairs again, and our
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 3: Dennis Rodman bodyguard is at the top of the stairs
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 3: ready to beat the shit out of him and try
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 3: and steal the book. And this is when we see
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 3: the most important part of the film, in my opinion,
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 3: around the messy bun woman. And you can tell the listeners,
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 3: what does this person do in full sight of everyone?
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 4: Oh, my God. Messy bun has some horrible... CGI. I
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 4: don't even know if it was CG. It was like
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 4: the worst graphics I've ever seen. Floats down, levitates and
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 4: floats down the staircase and starts kicking the ass of
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 4: this bleach blonde haired guy. And she actually protects Corso
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 4: and the bleach blonde guy runs off. But in the process,
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 4: they're all fighting and, Corso kind of elbows her in
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 4: the nose and her nose starts bleeding. So we have
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 4: a little bit of bloodletting there from messy bun, which
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 4: comes into play later with what she does with her
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 4: leaky nose. But the levitation scene seals it for everyone
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 4: that she is a supernatural being and she is in
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 4: some way protecting Corso along his journey.
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah. And she fights with very little effort. She puts
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 3: a slight little kick up and she sends that guy flying.
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 3: He tries to hit her punch. She dodges everything, blocks
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 3: it all with very little ease for a woman of
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 3: her size would be a real struggle. And it's interesting
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 3: to note that the only person that makes contact with
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 3: her is Corso by accident. The guy who's fighting her
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 3: can't land a punch. So that's very interesting in itself.
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 3: It's almost like they're connected in such a way that
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 3: the only person that can harm or hurt her is
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 3: Corso because he's on that journey. He's already through the gates.
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 4: Do you think that this is another gate opening when
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 4: he kind of elbows her in the bloodletting there?
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 3: Potentially. Potentially, okay. I think he almost needs to be
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 3: blooded into it. He needs to be a part of it.
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 3: That's what I thought too. She says something to that
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 3: effect later on. She says on the plane, you're a
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 3: part of this now. You're a part of it. You're
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 3: a part of this story. So... They end up going
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 3: back to the hotel now. He's been beat up. She's
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 3: got a blood nose. He seems to really care for her.
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 3: He grabs some ice and says, put this on the
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 3: back of your neck. And she sits there and she
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 3: stares at him, and this is when her serpentine, very
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 3: alluring green eyes start to glow again, at which point
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 3: she tells him to, like, kind of shush up. She
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 3: puts her fingers in her nose and with three fingers
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 3: puts three lines down his face.
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 4: In her blood. Yeah, she bloods him.
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 3: Um, at this point he's, he gets a phone call
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 3: from Balkan. He goes downstairs, has the conversation about going back,
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 3: returns to the room and she's gone. So now Corso
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 3: knowing that people are after him after the book, he
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 3: grabs a drink from the mini bar, realizes he has
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 3: a perfect spot to stash the book. He pulls the
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 3: fridge out, hides the book behind, pushes it in, then
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 3: goes about, um, he goes about photocopying the book first.
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 1: Sorry.
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 3: He photocopies pages out of the book. And we find
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 3: out this is kind of his olive branch to the Baroness.
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 3: He photocopies all the relevant pages, hides the book, and
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 3: returns to her to try and share his findings of
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 3: the book that the Baroness herself isn't even aware of.
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 4: The Baroness, I mean, this scene ends kind of tragically
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 4: for her, which I think is another gate opening. But
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 4: she's the one who goes into the detail about the
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 4: Tefler woman, the slut bag, how she's broke. a broke
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 4: French person from a French family, kind of like Da
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 4: Vinci code style.
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 4: And her maiden name is like San Martin and her
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 4: family has this, you know, manner in the country somewhere
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 4: where they've been doing these parties and she almost scoffs
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 4: at it. Like it's just a bunch of bored millionaires, um,
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 4: indulging in sexual fantasies and it has nothing to do
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 4: with conjuring the devil and blah blah blah they don't
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 4: even know what they're doing and that to me makes
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 4: so much more sense that it wouldn't be some weird
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 4: orgy party that summons the devil that it's these more
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 4: esoteric like the left hand path and all these obstacles
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 4: you have to go through and.
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 4: Did you have any thoughts on that? Like, with the weird, like,
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 4: San Martins and the.
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah, the Baroness plays that out and puts it all
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 3: on the table, and I think that's really telling to
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 3: what the elites of our world are like. They think
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 3: that they can gain the favour of Lucifer through these
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 3: things like blood orgies and all these types of horrific
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 3: stuff that he himself probably doesn't really care about. like
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 3: he's the light bringer. He's the one of knowledge of enlightenment.
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 3: He wants people to challenge themselves through finding the nine
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 3: gates and passing through them the right way, finding the code.
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 3: And she plays it out that these people don't have
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 3: a firm understanding of what he really is, what he's about.
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 3: They seem to think they are their wealth, their stature,
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 3: their standing in society because of the devil and not
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 3: their own horrible scrupulous things they do as people they
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 3: seem to think it's all down to the devil and
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 3: through these initiations of the the silver serpent which we
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 3: find out is a a cult was founded after the
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 3: death of the author that's been playing through the elites
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 3: and the celebrities of the world and eventually divulged into
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 3: that group of orgies and um just silly celebrity type
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 3: of stuff that we see today.
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 4: Yes And so he's kind of, after she divulges all
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 4: of this, he's kind of doing some more investigating through
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 4: her copy of the book and you kind of hear
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 4: the door open, but then the next thing you know,
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 4: he's getting knocked over the head again and He's like
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 4: totally concussed probably at this point, but he wakes back up.
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 4: The whole building's on fire. And Kessler is in her
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 4: wheelchair in the corner, just going back and forth, back
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 4: and forth and back and forth. And he goes up.
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 4: She's dead. She's been murdered. he grabs a picture from
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 4: the copy of the book, if I'm not mistaken, but
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 4: does he grab the whole book or just the picture
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 4: that's in it?
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 3: I think he just grabs the picture. He notices that
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 3: the pages have been torn and the picture is of
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 3: a castle, a castle that we saw originally in the
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 3: background of Balkan's library. And on the back of that postcard,
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 3: it says, I saw it first. signed yes so we
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 3: know that balkan has actually most likely purchased this castle
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 3: for himself.
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 4: Yes now he grabs the picture he skedaddles out of
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 4: there and this is where our story starts to pick
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 4: up because um he goes back to the room finds
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 4: that the book has been stolen most likely oh go ahead.
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 3: Happens he leaves the the um the office of the
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 3: baroness which is now on fire And he's standing there
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 3: washing his face and washing his hands. And there's a
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 3: large dog. I can't remember the breed of it. I
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 3: think it's a St. Bernard or something like that. And
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 3: it's just staring at him. It's not doing anything. It's
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 3: just staring him in the eyes. And this makes me
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 3: either think that there's something different about Corso. Now he's
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 3: changed in this journey. Or there's the potential that this
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 3: dog is actually the messy blonde in a different form.
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 4: Yep, I think that it is. So one of the
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 4: theories that I wrote down is that she was one
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 4: of the hounds of hell. Ooh, nice. So I think
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 4: she's a shape-shifting being, and that very well could be
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 4: her other form. But this is, what, the fifth gate?
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 3: I believe so, yeah.
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 4: Fifth gate.
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 4: Book is stolen out of his room. They devise a
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 4: plan to follow Tefler to her mansion to get the
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 4: book back. But he has to admit to Balkan that
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 4: he's lost it. So Balkan now knows that Liliana has it.
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 4: And this is where the fucking train goes off the tracks.
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 3: Balkan essentially says to him, you know the man I
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 3: am and the types of things I can do if
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 3: you don't get my book back in. a very quick
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 3: turnaround in time, life's going to be very difficult for you.
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 3: He essentially threatens to kill him. So the messy blonde
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 3: and Corso, they go to the hotel of where Tefler
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 3: is to try and get the book back. They go
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 3: up to a room and they have this large room,
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 3: a suite that's room 209 to 211. And here's some
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 3: interesting links to Romans scripture that actually kind of foretells
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 3: these characters. Romans 209, so room 209. Romans 209. There
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 3: will be trouble and distress for every human being who
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 3: does evil. First the Jew and then the Gentile. Now,
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 3: this is really interesting, especially with your theory that the
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 3: original Jews were dark-skinned, malignated people. The bodyguard is a
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 3: malignated man, a dark-skinned man. He's the first to die,
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 3: the Jew, air quotes. And then we find that she
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 3: dies after that. So it's almost foretelling the room numbers
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 3: that they're going to die. Romans 2.11 says, For God
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 3: does not show favoritism. So God's actually punishing these people
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 3: through the actions that they're doing.
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 4: That's what I mean about the subtleties in the five-layer burrito.
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 4: Who else is looking at that? That was a great find.
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 4: That was fucking awesome. I'm so glad you found that.
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so, yeah, like you said, they managed to get
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 3: away with the book. And they're leaving for the Chateau,
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 3: or we assume that they're leaving for a Chateau. And
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 3: this is when the messy blonde steals a Ferrari, a
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 3: bright red Ferrari of all cars. And they jump in
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 3: and they start chasing this car down. So we fast
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 3: forward now to the French Chateau. They lose them on
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 3: the way. A truck kind of blocks them and gives
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 3: them the bird because they're trying to overpass. And they're
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 3: stuck at an intersection, a crossroads of all places. They
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 3: get to a crossroads and she says, which way do
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 3: you want to go? And he says, well, You pick.
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 3: You seem to know everything. Wink, wink, the devil at
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 3: the crossroads. And she chooses the right direction to go down,
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 3: at which point they stop. And he says, we've lost them.
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 3: I don't know where they are. And he says, what
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 3: was that woman's name? What was her maiden name? And
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 3: it turns out that they're actually in the region where
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 3: her family comes from, and they track down the chateau
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 3: from which her family stems and where this big occultic
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 3: practice is going on.
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 4: Wasn't it? So they turned right?
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 4: Okay, because I was going to say that's interesting because
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 4: of what I said earlier about this whole movie is
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 4: kind of the left-hand path.
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 2: I wonder why they didn't go left now.
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 4: But it doesn't matter. She takes him in the right direction.
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 4: They find the chateau. They climb up the side of
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 4: the chateau.
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 3: They're all freaking naked in there. And some eyes wide
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 3: shut looking stuff as well.
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 4: Oh, it's a fucking eyes wide shut party if I
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 4: ever saw one.
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 7: They got cloaks.
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 3: Black cloaks, pentagrams, black candles. The whole shebang.
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 4: The whole shebiggitybang. And they're, you know, in a gunfight
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 4: and fucking just trying to kill each other. But they...
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 4: There's this scene... That's I'll obviously post pictures and shit
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 4: of it. This is the ritual scene and everybody's naked
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 4: under their cloaks. And Liliana is reading out of the
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 4: nine gates and she's like, well, we're going to summon
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 4: him here tonight. And that's a Balkan shows up in
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 4: like a fucking maniac just goes up to her and
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 4: just like punches her in the face and like kicks
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 4: her in the crotch.
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 3: Just like, It's funny, his entrance, he's so self-centred thinking
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 3: that he's the only person that understands the true master's intentions.
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 3: He walks in, normal pinstripe suit, mumbo jumbo, mumbo jumbo,
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 3: making fun of all these people and mocking them. This
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 3: is all mumbo jumbo. How dare you do all this
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 3: in the presence of the Dark Lord? Only I can
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 3: understand his intricacies and all the things that he purveys.
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 1: Look around you, all of you. What do you see?
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 1: A bunch of buffoons in fancy dress. You think the Prince.
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 8: Of Darkness would actually deign to manifest himself before the
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 8: likes of you?
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 1: He never has and he never will.
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 3: Never.
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 1: You read from his book, but you have no conception
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 1: of its true power.
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 8: I alone have grasped its secret.
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 3: I alone have fathomed the master's grand design.
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 8: I alone am worthy to enjoy the fruits of that discovery.
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 1: Absolute power to determine my own destiny.
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 6: You're insane, Boris. Give it back to me!
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 3: Like, really pumping himself up, and it gets to the
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 3: point where they get in this scuffle... And it gets
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 3: really dark really quickly. He's literally trying to kill her
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 3: to the point where he's choking her out with her
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 3: own pentagram necklace. At which point Corso tries to intervene
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 3: to save her. And that's when the messy blonde floats
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 3: down again, like glides down, gently holds him with one
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 3: hand while he's trying to fight back and allows Liliana
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 3: to be killed and murdered by Corso. By Balkan, sorry.
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 3: Corso turns to the messy blonde and says, why the
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 3: hell did you do that? And she says, he just
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 3: murdered her in front of a whole room full of people.
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 3: You're off the hook now. So it leaves the impression
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 3: that the messy blonde is actually intrigued by Corsa and
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 3: wants him to succeed on the path instead of Vulcan.
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 4: And I think this is another gate opening. I think
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 4: this may be like the eighth gate or maybe the
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 4: seventh gate because okay this is like the seventh gate
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 4: because after this he jumps in the car he leaves
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 4: messy bun there doesn't even care if she has a
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 4: ride home they're in the middle of fucking nowheresville leaves
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 4: her gets in the car starts following balkan and they
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 4: end up at this castle yes it's.
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 3: Interesting the choice interesting choice of car though so he's
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 3: balkan's in the jeep and drives away Corso jumps inside
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 3: a Rolls Royce, and the symbol of a Rolls Royce
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 3: is an angel. The symbol on it has the wings.
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 3: So he's gunning that, and this is where I think
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 3: we get to the eighth gate. He's following after him.
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 3: He goes through on the Jeep, which is a full
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 3: drive across the river, gets to the other side. Corso
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 3: hits it and bogs the car. It stops. It stalls out.
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 3: So this, I think, is the next gate, whether he
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 3: tries to get through this maze, this bridge, which is
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 3: stopping him, or he He goes along the line of
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 3: this journey that he has to succeed. Does he stop
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 3: or does he keep going? He decides to keep going
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 3: by foot, which he does end up at the castle
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 3: that we saw in the postcard and the painting in
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 3: the earlier parts of the film.
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 4: And Balkan is in there and he's trying to conduct
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 4: his ritual because he's like, I'm the only one who
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 4: can do this. And he has all of the LCF
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 4: Lucifer engravings laid out on a table and And he's like,
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 4: I can even walk through fire, whatever. And he has
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 4: like a little ritualistic symbol laid out.
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 8: I give you my allegiance, master. I pledge myself to you,
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 8: body and soul. Let me fear neither noose nor fire
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 8: nor poison. Erase me from the book of life. Inscribe
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 8: me in the Black Book of Death. Admit me to
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 8: the Ninth Gate. Let it be so. Let it be so. Now!
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 10: Boo!
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 8: I feel the power surge through me like an electric current,
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 8: rendering me capable of any feat of mind or body.
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 1: I'm invulnerable. I'm invincible.
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 8: I can float on air.
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 1: I can walk on water. Behold, I plunge my hands
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 1: in fire.
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 6: I feel no heat.
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 1: This is great.
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 5: Give us another one.
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 1: It's miraculous.
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 8: I feel nothing, nothing at all.
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 4: To make a long story short he dumps gas all
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 4: over himself and lights himself a fucking blaze.
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 10: And he's like look I don't even feel it and
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 10: he's like actually I kind of do and then he
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 10: starts freaking out and screaming He's literally lit himself on
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 10: fire in Corso.
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 4: Bang, boom, double taps that ass. He's dead. And I
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 4: believe that is the, if we're, if I'm counting correctly,
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 4: this has to be the seventh gate because the eighth
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 4: gate happens right after this scene. And then the ninth
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 4: gate is the end. So go ahead. After the double
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 4: tap that ass, go ahead to the next scene.
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 3: What happens after that? He takes pity on him and
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 3: he actually shoots Balkan. Balkan's now dead. He was a
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 3: little blazed by covering himself in petrol because that's such
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 3: a smart thing to do. Shoots him. He leaves the castle,
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 3: which is now on fire, which you see depicted in
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 3: the original pictures. He hops in the car and he
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 3: turns around and the messy blonde is there again. She
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 3: starts making out with him. Her eyes are very bright
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 3: and vibrant again, like she's seducing him. They end up
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 3: having sex outside on the ground in front of the castle,
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 3: which is now alight. And as she's having sex with him,
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 3: they're making the beast of many backs, ironically, because there's
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 3: a Hydra in the picture. They're having sex, and he
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 3: seems to be kind of out of it. He's almost disembodied.
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 3: He's sitting there not knowing what's going on. She's riding
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 3: him like a wild banshee, and her face is subtly
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 3: morphing and changing throughout all this. As the flames from
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 3: the light come across her face, You can see it
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 3: slightly changing into different people as it's going on. And
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 3: her eyes are.
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 4: Glowing the whole time. It's creepy as fuck. Like her
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 4: face is transforming into an actual demon face while she's
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 4: like grinding away. And he's like not even, he does,
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 4: it's almost kind of like a rapey type of, like
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 4: if a dude can be raped, that was a rape
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 4: scene if I ever saw one. He was totally out
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 4: of it. And, you know, eyes rolling back in his head,
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 4: not in a good way. And her face is just, like,
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 4: transforming into this demon. And, like, cut to, they're talking. Like,
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 4: I guess he wasn't bothered by the demon faces. Maybe
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 4: that's what he's into. But, like, he's still hanging around her.
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 4: And he's like, why do you think it didn't work
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 4: for him? And isn't it Bessie Bunn that says one
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 4: of the engravings was a forgery? Yes.
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 3: So his book actually was, had a forgery in it.
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 3: And if we go back to the conversation he had
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 3: with the twins, the twins spoke about it would take
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 3: an expert master to forge a missing page. And then
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 3: the second twin said, yes, an expert master. So it
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 3: implies that these twins actually forged the missing page themselves.
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 3: At which point he says, I know, I need it.
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 3: And she says, where are you going? I need it.
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 3: And you know why I need it. So he's traveled
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 3: from a path of needing financial cold, hard cash. That's
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 3: his greed. That's his sin into a sin of needing
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 3: knowledge and power. He needs to understand what's going on now.
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 3: So he actually returns to the library where the twins
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 3: are and the place has been cleaned out. They're no
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 3: longer there. There's some builders there dismantling things. They're pulling
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 3: down this old cabinet. And as they're pulling it down,
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 3: tilting it, The missing page, the original, falls off the
• 1:35:17
  Speaker 3: top and floats down the front of Corso, in which
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 3: he sees at the very bottom inscription, LCF. So we
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 3: have the very final page that he needs to conduct
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 3: the exact same ritual that our original Balkan tried to do,
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 3: but he couldn't achieve because it was a forgery.
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 4: So I think it's interesting, going back to the whole
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 4: twins idea, that they were the ones who did the
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 4: forgery because... If you think of it, the engravings were twins,
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 4: quote unquote. They were just very subtly different. And one
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 4: was the real one and one is the fake one.
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 4: But Messy Bun is in the last engraving, riding the
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 4: serpent with the many heads. And him having been raped
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 4: by her was the opening of the eighth gate, which...
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 4: Very interesting that that was the eighth gate. But the
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 4: film ends. And I told you before we started recording,
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 4: this is the part my cousin said, I watch this
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 4: movie every time. And I always hope that the ending
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 4: is going to be different. But the movie ends with
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 4: him returning, Corso returning to the castle and the doors
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 4: opening up. And there's this beautiful, brilliant, vibrant light. cascading
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 4: out of the doorway, and he enters in. Ninth Gate, ba-boom,
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 4: movie's over. Did you have anything more in detail, though?
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 4: Because that was just the gist.
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that last engraving gives you the best
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 3: clue as to who this girl is. So the biggest
• 1:37:02
  Speaker 3: clue on her identity is in that final engraving. When
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 3: Corso finds the last image, he looks closely at the woman,
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 3: and it's her face. The naked woman astride the multi-headed
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 3: beast looks like the girl. With this way, she's depicted
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 3: in the movie as the whore of Babylon.
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 4: But do you think she's the whore of Babylon?
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 3: I think it plays on ideas of the whore of Babylon.
• 1:37:24
  Speaker 3: I think it's more likely that she, I don't think
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 3: she is the devil. I think that she's a fallen angel.
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 4: I do too. And that is pretty much what I
• 1:37:34
  Speaker 4: had here that I wanted to kind of like go
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 4: over a little bit just to sum everything up. And
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 4: some people have speculated that she was a succubus, that
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 4: she was Lucifer, that she was the whore of Babylon,
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 4: that she was a guardian angel. But I actually think
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 4: that she is a fallen angel. So she is an ambiguous, shape-shifting,
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 4: supernatural woman. fallen angel being and that is some the
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 4: guardian angel thing was interesting to me because they apart
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 4: from the end where you clearly see that she's a
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 4: demon raping him they were like well what if it
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 4: was a guardian angel like a heavenly angel because god
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 4: needs the ninth gate to be open to bring about
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 4: revelation and this angel was helping him in his journey
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 4: to open these gates so that revelation can be brought
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 4: forward and fulfill prophecy. So could this have been a
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 4: guardian angel? But that last scene where she's like all
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 4: writhing and that was not, no, I disagree. I think,
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 4: and especially with the black dog, like what you were
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 4: saying with the shape-shifting and this has to be like
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 4: what is referred to as a demon, but it's really
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 4: just a fallen angel shape-shifting type being, right?
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what I assume. It's interesting that the different
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 3: gates in this film are like different tests that allow
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 3: one to enter into the next stage. It allows them
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 3: to manage the indirect route to brave the arrows and
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 3: misfortunes and failures of this quest. They have to actually
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 3: experience those things to get through the gates. It's Corso
• 1:39:21
  Speaker 3: who does all these things. It is none too clear
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 3: from Balkan's interpretations that he's the one entering into it.
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 3: He tried to use someone else to go through all
• 1:39:31
  Speaker 3: the challenges so he could just sweep in at the end.
• 1:39:33
  Speaker 3: I think that's one of the major things that made
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 3: it fail for him because he didn't actually undertake the quest.
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 3: He thought he was doing it through someone else. Balkan
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 3: assumes that he's being admitted into a pact with the devil,
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 3: one that gives him supernatural powers, but there's nothing in
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 3: his interpretation of the drawings that implies this apart from
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 3: the letters LCF. He just assumes that that's the way.
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 4: He thinks he can buy it.
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 3: That's their problem.
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 4: That's all of their problems. That was Liliana's problem. That
• 1:40:06
  Speaker 4: was Balkan's problem. And I think the only other person
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 4: who had the capability of opening the nine gates would
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 4: have been Kessler. But she was handicapped and stuck in
• 1:40:21
  Speaker 4: a library, essentially. So it wasn't like she could actually
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 4: make the quest. But I think she was intellectual enough
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 4: and committed to the process enough to do it. But
• 1:40:32
  Speaker 4: it took, as they kept saying, there was two times
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 4: they said it. The first time came from the twins.
• 1:40:39
  Speaker 4: when they said that the book has a life of
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 4: its own and it's, Oh, isn't it funny? The destiny
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 4: of who the book ends up with. And then the
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 4: second time was Fargus when he said, some books are
• 1:40:53
  Speaker 4: not meant to be opened with impunity or something to
• 1:40:57
  Speaker 4: that effect. So they've, they keep on saying over and
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 4: over and over again that this book is alive in
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 4: some way.
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 5: Yes.
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 3: It's almost a story of, of, duality in two characters.
• 1:41:10
  Speaker 3: There's the two journeys going on in this. One is
• 1:41:13
  Speaker 3: Boris Balkan, who's materialistically hungry for the acquisition and is
• 1:41:17
  Speaker 3: determined to get what he wants. The second journey is
• 1:41:21
  Speaker 3: that of Corso, who through the narrative of the story,
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 3: he becomes a seeker of knowledge without any clear vision
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 3: of what the outcome of it. He just needs to
• 1:41:28
  Speaker 3: know it. He doesn't know what the end goal is.
• 1:41:30
  Speaker 3: He doesn't believe in it. He just needs to understand why.
• 1:41:33
  Speaker 3: Both men are traveling in opposite directions. One's heading towards
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 3: ultimate destruction and being dragged down into the fires of hell,
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 3: which is ironic because Balkan's name means destruction. And the
• 1:41:46
  Speaker 3: other is a man who's going through it through like
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 3: a revelation of the method. He's not actively engaged in
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 3: a belief system, but he's finding out through understanding and knowledge,
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 3: which is what Luciferianism is all about at the end
• 1:41:59
  Speaker 3: of the day. It's all about knowledge and power. So
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 3: neither man is innocent in this, but one failed because
• 1:42:06
  Speaker 3: he didn't play by the rules. So he suffers the
• 1:42:09
  Speaker 3: integral trap of being contained within the riddle of the
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 3: book forever. So he's burnt into that castle for the
• 1:42:14
  Speaker 3: rest of time. The other complexities around the protagonists are
• 1:42:17
  Speaker 3: that these engravings, they portray an idea that it's not
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 3: just spiritual, but psychological. They have to understand themselves in
• 1:42:27
  Speaker 3: the journey and their part before the next gate can
• 1:42:30
  Speaker 3: be opened.
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 4: Do you think that we're collectively going through, like they're
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 4: trying to... open nine gates with the world in society,
• 1:42:43
  Speaker 4: because I feel like there have been changes that have
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 4: occurred throughout the last couple of years. And you can
• 1:42:52
  Speaker 4: almost pinpoint it and say, well, this was probably gate one.
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 4: The vaccines are gate two. This is gate three. And I, I,
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 4: you know, could be totally wrong, but it's almost like
• 1:43:04
  Speaker 4: we have collectively went on such a journey together. It
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 4: doesn't matter if you're in Australia or Oklahoma, we've kind
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 4: of been on this path towards whatever the outcome is
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 4: for a while now. I think it probably started with
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 4: maybe 9-11 and then it's XYZ COVID and then it's
• 1:43:26
  Speaker 4: like XYZ transhumanism, X, Y, Z, this. And it's almost
• 1:43:35
  Speaker 4: like we're collectively passing through the nine gates to bring
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 4: about revelation.
• 1:43:42
  Speaker 3: I think you're right. Or either it's naturally happening in
• 1:43:44
  Speaker 3: the way that God would intend for it to happen.
• 1:43:47
  Speaker 3: But then there's the way that the Kabbalistic and the
• 1:43:50
  Speaker 3: elites of the world want to usher it in their
• 1:43:52
  Speaker 3: own way. And you see that within the spheres of
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 3: the Kabbalah. There's actually 10 spheres of The first one
• 1:43:58
  Speaker 3: being earth. So that's the grounding. That's where you start from.
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 3: After that, there's nine spheres. So it's got the nine
• 1:44:04
  Speaker 3: gates again. There's nine attainments of knowledge before you can
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 3: get to illumination. So it exists in their own dogma.
• 1:44:12
  Speaker 3: So it's a well-written book that it taps into so
• 1:44:15
  Speaker 3: many elements of what these people believe to be true
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 3: or the things that they're trying to usher in. And
• 1:44:21
  Speaker 3: it's presenting it in a way to the viewer that
• 1:44:25
  Speaker 3: seems so obvious on its face. but it's so much
• 1:44:29
  Speaker 3: deeper than you can ever understand.
• 1:44:31
  Speaker 4: So much deeper. So, I mean, just to wrap up everything,
• 1:44:35
  Speaker 4: I want you to maybe do like a two fold
• 1:44:39
  Speaker 4: rating for the nine gates. You can rate it as
• 1:44:44
  Speaker 4: a movie. And then as a conspiracy theorist, like for me,
• 1:44:48
  Speaker 4: I'm giving the ninth gate. Six gates as just a movie.
• 1:44:58
  Speaker 4: And 10 gates as a conspiracy theorist.
• 1:45:02
  Speaker 3: Okay. I would give it seven gates as a movie.
• 1:45:07
  Speaker 3: I feel like Polanski was very clever in his shots,
• 1:45:12
  Speaker 3: his storyline, how he drove it, how he adapted it
• 1:45:15
  Speaker 3: from a book. I think he did really well in
• 1:45:16
  Speaker 3: that regard. As a conspiracy movie, I would probably give
• 1:45:22
  Speaker 3: it a nine. A nine based on He's hitting all
• 1:45:27
  Speaker 3: the elements of the stuff that we know about in
• 1:45:29
  Speaker 3: our little community. But he's trying to portray it in
• 1:45:33
  Speaker 3: a way that he's presenting Satanism as not being an evil, bloodthirsty,
• 1:45:38
  Speaker 3: Audrey type of a thing. He's presenting it as being.
• 1:45:42
  Speaker 3: the attainment of knowledge and enlightenment, which is a trick
• 1:45:45
  Speaker 3: in itself. I think that's a deception. And I think
• 1:45:47
  Speaker 3: he's done a really good job at that. He's not
• 1:45:50
  Speaker 3: posing it as being a bad thing in this film.
• 1:45:53
  Speaker 3: When he enters the ninth gate, it looks appealing. It's bright.
• 1:45:56
  Speaker 3: It's vibrant. He's got to the end of his troubles.
• 1:45:59
  Speaker 3: He's going to get all this knowledge out of it.
• 1:46:00
  Speaker 3: It's not presented in a bad way for our hero. Damn,
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 3: you nailed it.
• 1:46:05
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 1:46:06
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 1:46:07
  Speaker 4: I'm revising my rating. I'm going to give it. I'm
• 1:46:14
  Speaker 4: going to give it a nine gates as well, because the,
• 1:46:19
  Speaker 4: the same exact idea that you're, you're going on is
• 1:46:23
  Speaker 4: it made it appealing maybe for someone who is interested
• 1:46:29
  Speaker 4: in the occult to watch a movie like that. And
• 1:46:32
  Speaker 4: then be like, you know what? I kind of want
• 1:46:34
  Speaker 4: to look more into this. Like is what, what is
• 1:46:39
  Speaker 4: this based on? Or, and then you've made an occultist
• 1:46:42
  Speaker 4: out of someone, but, It's not odd that Johnny Depp
• 1:46:49
  Speaker 4: would later go on in life to have this weird
• 1:46:52
  Speaker 4: occulted shit in his life with like Damien Echols and
• 1:46:55
  Speaker 4: the West Memphis Three and Marilyn Manson. And he petitioned
• 1:47:02
  Speaker 4: to get Damien Echols, who's very much so the murderer
• 1:47:05
  Speaker 4: of like those West Memphis Three boys. And he's innocent.
• 1:47:09
  Speaker 4: He's innocent. Damien Echols has a whole library of Aleister
• 1:47:13
  Speaker 4: Crowley books. There is a library that's dedicated to him
• 1:47:18
  Speaker 4: in a Masonic lodge. It's called the Eccles Library. He
• 1:47:24
  Speaker 4: writes books about magic. And so that and Fear and
• 1:47:30
  Speaker 4: Loathing in Las Vegas and some of the other movies
• 1:47:33
  Speaker 4: that he was in, you just kind of see that
• 1:47:36
  Speaker 4: he's totally into this shit. I don't think that they
• 1:47:40
  Speaker 4: had to force him to be in this movie, even
• 1:47:42
  Speaker 4: though he complained about like, oh, they didn't get the
• 1:47:45
  Speaker 4: best performance out of me. But I'm sure he enjoyed
• 1:47:48
  Speaker 4: making this movie. I mean, he had a kid in 1999,
• 1:47:52
  Speaker 4: the year it came out, like he met one of
• 1:47:54
  Speaker 4: his longtime loves and very interesting.
• 1:47:58
  Speaker 3: Isn't that the toll of what these films and these
• 1:48:01
  Speaker 3: lifestyles do to these people? They're very evident at the
• 1:48:04
  Speaker 3: end of their careers towards the end. He started off
• 1:48:07
  Speaker 3: as one of America's most beloved actors and method actors,
• 1:48:11
  Speaker 3: and then over time he is a broken, twisted man
• 1:48:14
  Speaker 3: whose life seems to have challenge after challenge and failure
• 1:48:18
  Speaker 3: after failure at the moment. is that he's him having
• 1:48:21
  Speaker 3: to pay the toll for what he's done in his
• 1:48:24
  Speaker 3: career choices and the things he's actually representing.
• 1:48:26
  Speaker 4: Yeah him and amber turd which like she if we're
• 1:48:32
  Speaker 4: just going to connect this back in with the fallen
• 1:48:34
  Speaker 4: angel avenue he got her that part in Aquaman, which
• 1:48:40
  Speaker 4: is about Atlantis and supernatural beings and XYZ. But I
• 1:48:46
  Speaker 4: wonder if he'll be in anything coming up that has
• 1:48:51
  Speaker 4: like these same undertones. I'll be interested to see what
• 1:48:54
  Speaker 4: his future work looks like.
• 1:48:58
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 1:48:58
  Speaker 3: He kind of was on the Disney train with parts
• 1:49:01
  Speaker 3: of the Caribbean and then he kind of disappeared. He
• 1:49:03
  Speaker 3: hasn't been in a lot of things. So it's interesting
• 1:49:06
  Speaker 3: to see what his next big choice will be. If
• 1:49:11
  Speaker 3: it is something esoteric and Kabbalistic or elite style that
• 1:49:16
  Speaker 3: we look at, it'll be very telling that maybe he's
• 1:49:19
  Speaker 3: trying to regain favor in what he's doing and try
• 1:49:21
  Speaker 3: to revitalize his career through his choices.
• 1:49:25
  Speaker 4: It'll be probably like some apocalyptic type of prophetic. Instead
• 1:49:30
  Speaker 4: of 2012, it'll be like 2021. six and it'll just
• 1:49:34
  Speaker 4: be it or whatever but so drew you came you
• 1:49:37
  Speaker 4: saw you smashed crushed blew it up bombshell loved everything
• 1:49:43
  Speaker 4: i'm so impressed and for the listeners who maybe are
• 1:49:47
  Speaker 4: hearing you for the first time can you let them
• 1:49:51
  Speaker 4: know where they can find more of your work.
• 1:49:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah sure um you're missing the point podcast m-i-double-s-e-n you
• 1:49:58
  Speaker 3: find me in all the usual podcatchers I'm on Instagram.
• 1:50:01
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• 1:50:06
  Speaker 3: I'm also under you're missing the point on Twitter. Yeah,
• 1:50:11
  Speaker 3: just search my name. You should be able to find me.
• 1:50:14
  Speaker 4: Yes, and I am truly a selfish human being. I
• 1:50:16
  Speaker 4: take up a lot of your time every time we
• 1:50:19
  Speaker 4: do one of these, but I'm so glad that you
• 1:50:22
  Speaker 4: share on your podcast as well because the other breakdowns
• 1:50:28
  Speaker 4: that you have done in the past, had inspired me
• 1:50:32
  Speaker 4: to start this little breakdown shakedown thing because you can
• 1:50:38
  Speaker 4: never run out of occult shit movies to talk about
• 1:50:42
  Speaker 4: i mean it's crazy but weren't you doing something along
• 1:50:46
  Speaker 4: the lines of like a conspiracy theater theater something those
• 1:50:51
  Speaker 4: episodes are still up.
• 1:50:52
  Speaker 3: Right yeah conspiracy theater 3000 is a movie breakdown that
• 1:50:56
  Speaker 3: myself moral bob and andy rouse I've been working on it.
• 1:51:00
  Speaker 3: It's few and far between at the moment just because
• 1:51:02
  Speaker 3: of life gets in the way with three hosts, but
• 1:51:05
  Speaker 3: we're really putting things in place to make sure that
• 1:51:07
  Speaker 3: it's at least a once-a-month recording where we're putting out
• 1:51:10
  Speaker 3: shows similar to what we've just done today, Julia, just
• 1:51:13
  Speaker 3: pulling apart classic Hollywood films and seeing what's actually the
• 1:51:16
  Speaker 3: messaging underneath.
• 1:51:18
  Speaker 4: Are you still doing your cryptids?
• 1:51:21
  Speaker 3: I am. I've got a lot of research in that,
• 1:51:23
  Speaker 3: but I'm wanting to put something together that... At the moment,
• 1:51:27
  Speaker 3: I'm not happy with it, so I'm not going to
• 1:51:29
  Speaker 3: release it until I've got it at a point where
• 1:51:31
  Speaker 3: it can be released. So a lot of work going
• 1:51:33
  Speaker 3: on behind the scenes.
• 1:51:33
  Speaker 4: Love those two, by the way. But I think that
• 1:51:36
  Speaker 4: you have so much to offer. I hope everyone goes
• 1:51:39
  Speaker 4: and checks out your Missing the Point podcast. Thank you
• 1:51:43
  Speaker 4: so much, Drew. I really appreciate it. Don't go opening
• 1:51:49
  Speaker 4: any nine gates. for the rest of the afternoon. But
• 1:51:54
  Speaker 4: to all the listeners, thank you. And we will catch
• 1:51:57
  Speaker 4: you on the next one. Bye.
• 1:52:23
  Speaker 3: Bye.