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Hour Two | Giants Trade Shock, Will Helmers Joins & LSU Pitching Discussion · Off The Bench

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  Speaker 3: All right, welcome back in It is OTV here on
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  Speaker 3: so we did start to talk about the trade that
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  Speaker 3: saw Dexter Lawrence, defensive tackle go from the New York
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  Speaker 3: Football Giants to the Cincinnati Bengals. And this was straight
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  Speaker 3: up for the tenth overall pick.
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  Speaker 2: Not a lot of straight up trades out there.
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  Speaker 4: Not a lot, certainly not a player for a top
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  Speaker 4: ten pick.
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  Speaker 3: Typically there's some land yap, there's something else that's you know,
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  Speaker 3: involved in there.
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  Speaker 4: Nope, this is one for to one.
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  Speaker 3: Now Dexter Lawrence again he didn't play like even though
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  Speaker 3: his name, his nickname is sexy dexy, Like that's his
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  Speaker 3: whole deal.
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  Speaker 4: It's not a sexy position.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, two times second team All Pro in twenty two
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  Speaker 3: to twenty three.
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  Speaker 4: Pro Bowls don't matter. Everybody makes Pro Bowl.
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  Speaker 3: Really good player, one of the better ones at his position.
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  Speaker 3: He you know, has a proven track record of being
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  Speaker 3: able to get pressure from the interior. We always talk
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  Speaker 3: about that here, he's got to see he's got a
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  Speaker 3: season under his belt where he had nine sacks from
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  Speaker 3: the interior. He's got a seven and a half sax
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  Speaker 3: season as well. Now, last season he had half a sack.
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  Speaker 3: He started all seventeen games and had half a sack. Now,
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  Speaker 3: the year before in twenty twenty four, he started twelve
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  Speaker 3: games when he had those nine sacks. He only played
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  Speaker 3: twelve had nine sacks. That's incredible production from the interior.
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  Speaker 3: So this is someone that has thirty and a half
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  Speaker 3: career sacks from the interior. That's not easy to do.
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  Speaker 3: But he's coming off his worst season as a pro.
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  Speaker 3: As far as getting after the quarterback. The Bengals have
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  Speaker 3: more issues in vogue on defense. They have to have
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  Speaker 3: some help there's.
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  Speaker 4: Some people.
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  Speaker 3: That you know, maybe he thought that they would go
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  Speaker 3: defense pretty much first three rounds of the draft, so
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  Speaker 3: they needed to go get an impact guy. I know
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  Speaker 3: a lot of Giant fans. Every producer I have on
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  Speaker 3: My Serious XIM show is a Giants fan. They live
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  Speaker 3: in New York. And when the trade happened, I was like, Hey,
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  Speaker 3: how are we feeling. They're like, we thought a second
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  Speaker 3: round pick was going to be incredible for Dex Lawrence.
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  Speaker 3: Not that he wasn't a great player, but for a
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  Speaker 3: veteran player at a position that is non premium.
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  Speaker 4: That's kind of what you expect if you get.
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  Speaker 3: A second round pick for a detackle that you've gotten,
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  Speaker 3: you know, seven seasons out of hell. Yeah, they got
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  Speaker 3: the tenth overall pick, and I I look, I do
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  Speaker 3: I understand Cincinnati being like, we gotta do something, and
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  Speaker 3: we got to get something proven.
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  Speaker 4: We can't.
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  Speaker 3: They've missed a lot, they missed last year on their
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  Speaker 3: first round pick, so they wanted something proven.
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  Speaker 4: But it's pretty It's.
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  Speaker 2: Interesting to me, like the way people view trades and
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  Speaker 2: formulate their opinions on them, Like the way you just
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  Speaker 2: put that about Giants fans saying if we could get
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  Speaker 2: a second round a guy that we've already got seven
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  Speaker 2: years out of. Like, that's an interesting way to look
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  Speaker 2: at look at it for me because I'm trying to
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  Speaker 2: look at this and make sense of it from both sides.
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  Speaker 2: Always look at trades, I'm like, I gotta find the
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  Speaker 2: positive for both sides, because there's a reason why each
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  Speaker 2: side did it. Of course, the for the Giants, it's obvious,
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  Speaker 2: you get it. You get it ten overall pick. Now
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  Speaker 2: you're you're picking twice in the top ten. Obviously that
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  Speaker 2: makes sense. I'm trying to make sense of it from
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  Speaker 2: the Bengals standpoint, and the way I look at trades
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  Speaker 2: is I can make sense of it because if you're
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  Speaker 2: picking ten, you know Dexter Lawrence is a top two
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  Speaker 2: player at his position. Like, if I can guarantee myself
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  Speaker 2: with a top ten pick to get a top guy
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  Speaker 2: at any position in the NFL, I'm taking it like
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  Speaker 2: that's if I can get a guaranteed pick, because every
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  Speaker 2: no matter how good you are or how of a
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  Speaker 2: can't miss prospect you are, you can definitely miss, and
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  Speaker 2: more often than not, first rounders do miss, and maybe
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  Speaker 2: they don't miss in the fact that they're like a
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  Speaker 2: bust and they never play. But they never live up
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  Speaker 2: to the draft position. Like the expectation that comes with
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  Speaker 2: that certain that that one that top ten pick or
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  Speaker 2: number five pick or number thirteen, whatever, whatever expectation comes
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  Speaker 2: with that number pick, don't live up to it. So
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  Speaker 2: if you can get a guy immediately, awesome, Like the
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  Speaker 2: Bengals probably looking at it, Okay, well, we we're gonna
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  Speaker 2: go with the with the tenth pick, We're gonna go
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  Speaker 2: defensive line. We just lost Trey Henderson. We have to
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  Speaker 2: have we have to have somebody step in immediately. If
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  Speaker 2: we can hit somebody a prospect that's as good as
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  Speaker 2: Dexter Lawrence, that would be a win. They're like, well,
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  Speaker 2: why don't we just use the pick and get Dexter Lawrence?
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  Speaker 4: Right? Like, to me, that is a sound mindset to
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  Speaker 4: go with. Now, Now, the.
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  Speaker 2: Way you looked at it is a sound like we've
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  Speaker 2: already gotten seven. If we get anything, it's a win.
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  Speaker 2: But why not look forward, like we can get four
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  Speaker 2: more years out of this guy. We can get five
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  Speaker 2: contract for two more years with the Giants. Right, they
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  Speaker 2: signed another year extension for the Bengals. But I looked
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  Speaker 2: at it, and I was trying to my immediate knee
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  Speaker 2: jok reaction is like, what the hell are the Bengals thinking?
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  Speaker 4: But now I'm looking at it and I think I
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  Speaker 4: think both sides get what they want.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I actually can see a world where it makes sense.
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  Speaker 3: And I was just like you initially, I'm like, man,
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  Speaker 3: did the Bengals get fleeced a little bit here? Because
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  Speaker 3: like number ten, it's number ten. And you also made
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  Speaker 3: a good point during the break, they might have believed
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  Speaker 3: that all the guys that they were targeting, and we've
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  Speaker 3: talked about that run of seven to twelve all having
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  Speaker 3: the same needs, and they might be hearing stuff like, hey, guys,
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  Speaker 3: we're not going to get the guy that we want.
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  Speaker 2: And if you start looking at let's just see what
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  Speaker 2: a GM and a scouting staff is going to do.
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  Speaker 2: Let's rank this draft class, which we know that it
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  Speaker 2: is a lower tier draft.
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  Speaker 4: Class as a whole. You have some upres pal, yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Up top, you got some some Jews, Yeah you do.
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  Speaker 3: Mid the middle portion of the first round doesn't have
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  Speaker 3: high grades.
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  Speaker 2: And so they're doing their own mock drafts, right, every team,
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  Speaker 2: like who do we think is going is actually going
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  Speaker 2: to be available for the people they they're saying who's
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  Speaker 2: actually available, they're probably like, well, do we value him
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  Speaker 2: or Dexter Lawrence more?
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  Speaker 4: Right? And to me, that's an easy pick. It's the
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  Speaker 4: week of the draft.
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  Speaker 2: Basically, they just drafted Dexter Lawrence with the tenth overall pick, yep,
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  Speaker 2: and they're happy with that. So I can get behind
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  Speaker 2: this draft pick. Like, again, I think the knee jerk
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  Speaker 2: correction for everybody's like, oh, top ten pick, those are
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  Speaker 2: like those are holy, You're only giving that up for
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  Speaker 2: I don't know, the best player in the entire world.
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  Speaker 2: For Tom Brady, that's the only person you'd ever give
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  Speaker 2: a top top ten pick for in a straight up trade.
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  Speaker 2: But look, it's the week of the draft and basically
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  Speaker 2: what the Bengals just did was draft Dexter Lawrence.
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  Speaker 3: So a couple of trades. I was trying to think, like,
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  Speaker 3: have we had something similar to this now? Again, like
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  Speaker 3: this is going to be for some edge rushers, So
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  Speaker 3: not one and one with the defensive tackle, even though
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  Speaker 3: Dexter Lawrence does have incredible rush ability. In two thousand
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  Speaker 3: and eight, so our rookie year, Minnesota got Jared Allen
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  Speaker 3: from Kansas City, Kansas City received the first round pick
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  Speaker 3: for Minnesota seventeen third round pick, actually two third round
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  Speaker 3: picks that year, so a first two thirds, and then
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  Speaker 3: a sixth round pick in two thousand and nine, so
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  Speaker 3: they got seventeen, two third round picks and a sixth
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  Speaker 3: round pick for Jared Allen. Whoa, that's a hal Khalil
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  Speaker 3: Mack when he went to the Bears from the Raiders.
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  Speaker 3: The Bears got Khalil Mack, a twenty twenty second round pick,
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  Speaker 3: and a conditional fifth round pick. The Raiders got two
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  Speaker 3: first round picks, a third round pick, and a sixth
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  Speaker 3: round pick, so they got four picks for Mack and
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  Speaker 3: a second rounder.
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  Speaker 2: So that's really rare. You see a straight up, That's
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  Speaker 2: what I'm saying. There's always little lettuce on it.
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  Speaker 3: Jalen Ramsey the Rams received Jalen Ramsey. Jacksonville received two
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  Speaker 3: first round picks in a fourth round Richard Seymour the
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  Speaker 3: Raiders received Seymour. This is the one where it was
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  Speaker 3: kind of one on one. The Patriots received their first
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  Speaker 3: round pick in twenty eleven. That's the only kind of
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  Speaker 3: straight up that I could find where it was like, okay,
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  Speaker 3: you get a first round pick, we get your defensive player,
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  Speaker 3: and that was for a defensive tackle as well. Richard
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  Speaker 3: Seymour HM. That's going all the way back to twenty eleven.
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  Speaker 3: So it doesn't happen often. It certainly doesn't happen very
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  Speaker 3: often where it's just one for one. Now, what's the
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  Speaker 3: Giants plans with now?
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  Speaker 4: Five?
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  Speaker 2: And tender can tell you?
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  Speaker 4: Can I just you and Kate McDonald.
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  Speaker 2: He's going to the Giants.
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  Speaker 4: That's what's going to be.
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  Speaker 2: What's going to be.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know. It's interesting for the Giants.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know, Like obviously, like he was a player
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  Speaker 3: who wasn't happy, he wanted a trade.
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  Speaker 4: You get the tenth overall pick, you do it, like now.
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  Speaker 2: It's like a you don't even think about it type deal.
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  Speaker 3: But I felt like they were gonna get a hell
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  Speaker 3: of a player at five because of what their needs
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  Speaker 3: are and what's going to be selected in front of them,
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  Speaker 3: Like they don't need a quarterback, they don't need a
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  Speaker 3: running back. I believe that a quarterback at a running
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  Speaker 3: back we're going to go ahead of them at five.
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  Speaker 4: So now, how we don't really love the receivers in
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  Speaker 4: this draft.
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  Speaker 3: In the top ten but because it's their second pick,
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  Speaker 3: I would fully be ready for them to maybe even
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  Speaker 3: explore a receiver.
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  Speaker 2: Right and you don't even really know what they're going
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  Speaker 2: to try to do. Maybe maybe they're trying to deal
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  Speaker 2: with fifth. They could and move back and take their
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  Speaker 2: receiver later in the first because that fifth we talked
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  Speaker 2: about with the Saints, how that eighth pick is valuable. Yeah, maybe,
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  Speaker 2: my god, that fifth pick. Certainly, if if Jeremi i
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  Speaker 2: Love is there, I always think.
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  Speaker 3: But I kind of think if if Mendoza and Love
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  Speaker 3: go and let's say, for whatever reason, David Baylor rvel
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  Speaker 3: Reese kind of starts to slide, Hey.
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  Speaker 5: Dallas, like that fifth pick is how much do you
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  Speaker 5: want real juicy you have as your best edge rusher, right, yeah,
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  Speaker 5: you give me twelve in your second round, or you
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  Speaker 5: can have five.
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  Speaker 2: So I think if they get lucky, if they trade
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  Speaker 2: the fifth, they can still take their defensive tackle Launder
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  Speaker 2: at ten. Probably might be able to snag them up,
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  Speaker 2: scoop them up right there.
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  Speaker 6: I feel like that's what's gonna happen.
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  Speaker 2: Like, if they do want to add a receiver or
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  Speaker 2: defensive end or whatever it is, we've you can move
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  Speaker 2: back plenty. That fifth pick is going to be I
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  Speaker 2: mean this, that trade could end up being real good
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  Speaker 2: for the Giants if they play their cards right, if
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  Speaker 2: they find suitors for that pick, or maybe they just
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  Speaker 2: have two guys that they've already eyeballed. They're like, hey,
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  Speaker 2: we think so and so one of two players is
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  Speaker 2: going to at least fall to ten and we'll be
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  Speaker 2: able to scoop up two great defensive play.
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  Speaker 4: What if you get Sunny Styles and Kalmons b I
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  Speaker 4: pretty good and then of course you get k McDonalds
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  Speaker 4: some point.
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  Speaker 6: On top of Yeah, the headlines are we forgetting who
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  Speaker 6: Joe Shane is? Like, I know, it's not I know,
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  Speaker 6: he's like Mickey Loomis, except not on a worse right.
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  Speaker 4: That's what I'm saying. The Hard Knocks, I don't know Joe. Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: I know the front off.
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  Speaker 6: Hard Knocks it was.
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  Speaker 4: It was really tough.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, everybody was telling him to drive Jaana Daniels.
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  Speaker 4: His son.
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  Speaker 6: His son was telling him to drive Jana Daniels. He's like, nah,
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  Speaker 6: I know better than everybody.
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  Speaker 4: We're not moving up for that.
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  Speaker 3: Very interesting trade, and it could uh potentially could affect
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  Speaker 3: the Saints because now the Giants and their plans at
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  Speaker 3: five feel like they probably changed a little bit there.
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  Speaker 2: So so do you think like you're you're going to
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  Speaker 2: talk about this? I'm sure it nausea this afternoon. Oh yeah, Like,
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  Speaker 2: what's your overall Phoebe? What do you think the the
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  Speaker 2: national opinion is going to be? And now that the
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  Speaker 2: dust settled a little bit.
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  Speaker 3: I think the fan opinion is going to be that
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  Speaker 3: Theles got fleeshed and the Giants are undoubtedly the winner
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  Speaker 3: because they see tenth overall pick defensive tackle.
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  Speaker 4: But I think if you peel back.
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  Speaker 3: To layers like we're doing here, you realize that the
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  Speaker 3: Bengals right now just got a twenty eight year old
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  Speaker 3: player for three more years, somebody that's proven in the NFL,
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  Speaker 3: somebody that's one of the best, if not the best,
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  Speaker 3: interior rusher in the NFL. And they now, because they've
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  Speaker 3: had some missues in the draft and the defensive line,
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  Speaker 3: some bad ones, they know what this player is.
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  Speaker 2: And let's let's be honest. As weird as this sounds,
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  Speaker 2: because beingals of the Bengals, they've been very bad. They
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  Speaker 2: have not been a threat.
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  Speaker 4: Is weird? Does it sounds that Bengals are in a
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  Speaker 4: win now state of their franchise.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, with the amount of money that they're paying
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  Speaker 2: at receiver with Joe Burrow at its like you know
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  Speaker 2: in his a at least age prime. I know that,
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  Speaker 2: I know the history of injury and things like that.
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  Speaker 2: They are in a win now SI situation. And then
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  Speaker 2: look at their division. You got the Ravens, you got
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  Speaker 2: the and the Steelers changing coaches, you got the Browns
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  Speaker 2: of who's gonna brown all the time?
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  Speaker 4: Like they are. They are in a literal win now
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  Speaker 4: situation in Cincinnati.
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  Speaker 2: This is like the best window that they could have,
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  Speaker 2: which is crazy to say because they stomped last year,
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  Speaker 2: but like they are trying to fix things now instead
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  Speaker 2: of wait till later. So the more we talk about this,
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  Speaker 2: the more it makes sense to me on both sides.
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  Speaker 2: Like I think both teams got exactly what they wanted.
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  Speaker 2: Both teams kind of win in this situation where they
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  Speaker 2: are now. The Giants are going to win in the
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  Speaker 2: long run because the Bengals to the Bengals, They're just
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  Speaker 2: gonna keep doing Bengal things. And but maybe they win
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  Speaker 2: a weak division and make a run, and I think
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  Speaker 2: that's the hope for them.
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  Speaker 4: Because they got it.
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  Speaker 2: They got a puncher's chance in every game they have
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  Speaker 2: because of the offense. They can just find they gotta
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  Speaker 2: stabilizing force down a little on defense. Just don't be
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  Speaker 2: horrid to kind of be okay. If you're okay on defense,
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  Speaker 2: you win thirteen games.
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  Speaker 4: Just be okay.
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  Speaker 2: Thirteen thirteen is alive. They can go thirteen and four.
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  Speaker 2: Ball keep board got healthy.
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  Speaker 4: The division is not as good as it has been,
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  Speaker 4: no doubt, no doubt. They got your Flacco bud. It's
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  Speaker 4: a backup fair point. So, oh Lander, what did I
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  Speaker 4: say wrong? It's at nauseum, you said.
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  Speaker 2: But I was I was about to say nauseum.
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  Speaker 4: I was about to throw the m on there. Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: And I was like, is that right?
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  Speaker 6: Well, it's also not at. It's a like ad ad nauseum.
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  Speaker 6: It's a D nauseum.
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  Speaker 4: Latin ad ad nauseum naseum. Okay.
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  Speaker 2: I just thought it was like, we're gonna talk about
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  Speaker 2: it too, we get nauseated. I mean that makes more sense.
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  Speaker 6: No, that's what they just like use the Latin for
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  Speaker 6: some reason.
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  Speaker 2: Well, this is America.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, you're right, Latin is a dead language.
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  Speaker 4: Why are we doing this?
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  Speaker 2: I'm just gonna say until nausea sets in.
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  Speaker 6: I was gonna let us slide bud what it just
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  Speaker 6: cracks me up.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm gonna say it like that again next time.
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  Speaker 2: Who cares, I'm gonna say it until nausea sets in.
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  Speaker 2: Ad nauseum. Let's who speaks Latin nobody language exactly.
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  Speaker 4: A lot of doctors.
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  Speaker 2: Still, that's stuff they learn, So don't try with ad nauseum.
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  Speaker 2: Don't try to speak Latin.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, all right, on that note, when we come back
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  Speaker 3: All right, welcome back in ot be here on this
• 19:32
  Speaker 3: Monday morning. Gonna make a little bit of a switcheroo
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  Speaker 3: here our guy Will Helmers, who joins us every Monday,
• 19:38
  Speaker 3: typically a little bit later. We didn't want to have
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: to make him wait. Man, we're dying to talk about
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: this baseball series over the weekend with Texas A and
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  Speaker 3: M so we're like, we gotta get him on the microphone,
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  Speaker 3: so we'll have weekend winners a little bit later on.
• 19:52
  Speaker 4: Will's gonna join us now?
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: Well, and it's and we were talking about it earlier,
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: like you got swept in the Old Miss series and
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: we'll get to like all that.
• 20:07
  Speaker 4: Like you at least had like.
• 20:08
  Speaker 3: Opportunities in that series where there was a play to
• 20:10
  Speaker 3: be made. No, you didn't make the winning play, but
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: there was places to be made.
• 20:13
  Speaker 4: Uh. You know, you could go back to the first
• 20:15
  Speaker 4: game of that series.
• 20:16
  Speaker 3: You had a disastrous ending on defense. That's what kind
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: of led to that loss. You come back on Sunday,
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: you have a chance, you lose by a run. There
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: were moments, Yeah, no moments this week, no moments, no
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: flat Hey make this one play, Hey, this one opportunity.
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: It got away from you and you never held on
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: to any hope.
• 20:37
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's rough.
• 20:39
  Speaker 7: Rough, I mean, that's the best way to put it
• 20:41
  Speaker 7: is just you get swept two weekends in a row,
• 20:44
  Speaker 7: and they're totally different sweeps in my opinion, Just like
• 20:46
  Speaker 7: you said, it's you know, they come out and just
• 20:49
  Speaker 7: look flat all around, you know, for the most part,
• 20:53
  Speaker 7: besides the bullpen you know, the bullpen looked great, so
• 20:56
  Speaker 7: we say, yeah, you know, it gave you at least,
• 20:59
  Speaker 7: it gave you a chance to try to play catcher, right,
• 21:01
  Speaker 7: you know, and that's what they've They've been in positions
• 21:04
  Speaker 7: to do that all season and they have played catch
• 21:06
  Speaker 7: up for the most part. But besides that, you know,
• 21:09
  Speaker 7: everything just looks flat. You know, the bats are just dead.
• 21:13
  Speaker 7: You know, it's like, where where do you go from there?
• 21:16
  Speaker 7: And I, you know, I don't have the answer. You know,
• 21:21
  Speaker 7: it's it's it's not a it's not the worst place
• 21:24
  Speaker 7: they've ever we've ever been in. You know, I still
• 21:27
  Speaker 7: look at it like it's hopeless. Yeah, but just the
• 21:29
  Speaker 7: way that they're playing feels hopeless.
• 21:31
  Speaker 4: You know.
• 21:31
  Speaker 7: It's like the record six and twelve or the third
• 21:34
  Speaker 7: to last in the SEC, and you know, it seems
• 21:37
  Speaker 7: like all hope is lost. But I look back at
• 21:40
  Speaker 7: twenty twenty four, we were three and twelve, Yeah, and
• 21:42
  Speaker 7: all of a sudden, we were, you know, pitch away
• 21:44
  Speaker 7: from going back having a super region at the box. Yeah,
• 21:47
  Speaker 7: you know, so baseball's weird. It's you know, it's funky,
• 21:50
  Speaker 7: and funky things can happen. Who knows, they got four
• 21:52
  Speaker 7: series to prove themselves, and this is you know a
• 21:55
  Speaker 7: lot of people have mentioned this is not the spot
• 21:57
  Speaker 7: you want to be in going into these four.
• 22:00
  Speaker 4: You gotta go. You got one that's gonna be favorable
• 22:04
  Speaker 4: for you.
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: The other three, like even Missippi States not as good
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: as it's going there or into duty.
• 22:10
  Speaker 7: Noble is a tough place to play for a team
• 22:12
  Speaker 7: that's not doing well.
• 22:13
  Speaker 4: What did y'all do when y'are three and twelve? Like?
• 22:15
  Speaker 4: What are the things they got y'all? I mean, have
• 22:17
  Speaker 4: it turned around? Yeah? I mean it's it comes all within.
• 22:20
  Speaker 7: You know, it's and I think that you you know,
• 22:23
  Speaker 7: you you hear Jay's press conference on I guess that's
• 22:26
  Speaker 7: Saturday when he kind of you know, everybody's heard it.
• 22:29
  Speaker 7: He kind of just up front, honest with everybody, like, look,
• 22:31
  Speaker 7: this is what it is. You know, here we are
• 22:34
  Speaker 7: and and you know, so at this point, it's really
• 22:36
  Speaker 7: got to come from within the team. You know, it's
• 22:39
  Speaker 7: got a change has to happen. You know, they got
• 22:41
  Speaker 7: to get tougher. You know that they're playing soft, you know,
• 22:45
  Speaker 7: and I don't like saying that, but I think they
• 22:46
  Speaker 7: know that too. You know, they're playing a brand of baseball.
• 22:50
  Speaker 7: That's not LSU baseball. And they they understand that, and
• 22:53
  Speaker 7: they just need to get tougher, you know, and in
• 22:55
  Speaker 7: every aspect of the game of you know, starting pitching,
• 22:59
  Speaker 7: you know, defense, you know, just making routine plays and
• 23:03
  Speaker 7: doing routine things like you know, you know, Jay would
• 23:07
  Speaker 7: always say this, A sign of a tough team is
• 23:09
  Speaker 7: two out hitting. If you can, you know, manufacture runs
• 23:12
  Speaker 7: with two outs, you're a tough team.
• 23:14
  Speaker 4: And they have not done that, yeah, you know, and.
• 23:16
  Speaker 7: That's a huge momentum builder, you know against another team.
• 23:20
  Speaker 7: And you know, when that doesn't happen, lots of things
• 23:23
  Speaker 7: can go poorly.
• 23:25
  Speaker 4: And that's you know what we've seen. And so look,
• 23:29
  Speaker 4: they got to do it. They just have to do it.
• 23:31
  Speaker 4: You know. It's there's nothing agains there.
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 23:33
  Speaker 7: They're probably one of the more more talented teams in
• 23:35
  Speaker 7: the SEC. You know when you just look at strictly talent,
• 23:39
  Speaker 7: you know, they got to learn to play together and
• 23:42
  Speaker 7: do the right things.
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 23:43
  Speaker 4: That sounds, you know, well, what are the right things?
• 23:46
  Speaker 7: Well, I don't know, you know, it's just baseball's like that,
• 23:51
  Speaker 7: you know, and we'll see what happens. And I think
• 23:55
  Speaker 7: they have a great opportunity, you know, to turn this
• 23:58
  Speaker 7: thing and flip it around.
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: Let's take a look at Let's take a look at
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: Jay's comments from Saturday's press conference, where he talked about
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: basically said there were mistakes made in constructing the roster. Right,
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: So pretty harsh words for you say, like mid season
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: like that, right, but honest words, certainly, and all we
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: can ask for from coaches and players is honesty. But
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: like it's got to be at the right time. How
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: do you feel if you're in the locker room, we're
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: getting ready to play a second game, just lost on
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: a Friday night, getting ready to second player, second game
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: in the middle of the season of SEC player, and
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: your coach says that, how do you feel as a player?
• 24:38
  Speaker 7: Well, so, when I look at that and when he
• 24:41
  Speaker 7: says that to the public, you know, in a press
• 24:43
  Speaker 7: conference before he's saying that to the public, he said
• 24:46
  Speaker 7: that to this team probably forty times, right, you know.
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: That he made a mistake. Yes, with the team, Yes,
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: with the.
• 24:52
  Speaker 7: Way they're current, with the way they're currently playing and
• 24:55
  Speaker 7: with their you know.
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: I specifically talking about personnel, right, I know he roster
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: comment and he probably doesn't mention that to the team.
• 25:03
  Speaker 7: I mean, he probably has tell you the truth when
• 25:05
  Speaker 7: when things go poorly, and he's a very positive coach,
• 25:08
  Speaker 7: always is, you know, and he stays positive even in
• 25:11
  Speaker 7: the tough times like when we were three and twelve,
• 25:13
  Speaker 7: he's like, let's go. Yeah, he's gonna do everything he can,
• 25:15
  Speaker 7: and he is doing everything he can to turn it around.
• 25:19
  Speaker 7: And he's making his coach and staff do everything he
• 25:21
  Speaker 7: can to turn it around. And by staying positive, it
• 25:23
  Speaker 7: goes a long way. But I don't know how you
• 25:27
  Speaker 7: feel when your coach says that, you know, it's well, okay,
• 25:30
  Speaker 7: you know, it's it's a you know, and no, college
• 25:33
  Speaker 7: sports is in a different world today.
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: No, That's why I was just you know, we didn't
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: hear that in college much, but we heard that in
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: the NFL. Right, It's something very so Hey, hey guy, hey,
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: we brought you in here to run power. We can't
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: run power. Were the worst team in the NFL running power.
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: That's why you're here. Like stuff like that would happen
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: in the NFL where back in college, like you, we
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: didn't hear that, right, but now it's way of professional right,
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: It's and it's because here at mid season.
• 26:04
  Speaker 4: I guess y'all were going good.
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: I mean, like every coach is yelling at you. Yeah,
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: you know, like I made a misplay. That's it's like
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: the skip Burntment story of like I made a mistake
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: recruiting you. You can't do it.
• 26:13
  Speaker 4: I got it.
• 26:14
  Speaker 7: But like, and Jay's a very calculated individual AND's part
• 26:18
  Speaker 7: of that that he's probably I'm sure he did on purpose.
• 26:21
  Speaker 7: You know, it may be another tactic to get this
• 26:23
  Speaker 7: team rolling. And and college sports are different, you know,
• 26:28
  Speaker 7: it's and your guy guys, Yeah, you got a brand
• 26:32
  Speaker 7: new team every year, like whether you like it or not,
• 26:35
  Speaker 7: because you're bringing in portal guys. And it's a great thing.
• 26:37
  Speaker 7: You know, it's it can be great, and then it
• 26:39
  Speaker 7: can bite you in the butt a little bit.
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: We're talking about it well with LSU softball a little
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: bit earlier. So LSU softball had this old team that
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: had been together.
• 26:47
  Speaker 4: For a long time.
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: A lot of them were recruited here out of high
• 26:50
  Speaker 3: school and they were a good softball team and they
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: would start like twenty three and two and then it
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: would kind of fade a little bit.
• 26:56
  Speaker 4: And this team's a little bit different.
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: This team was way more portal additions, and they struggled
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: out of the gate and then they found out what
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: to do, how to play with each other themselves, and
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: they have found it. Now they're thriving, right and they're
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: going in the other direction right. So like it is new,
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: there's going to be new teams. You don't have, you know,
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: players that have been here for the most part for
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: four years, that have been through the fire with you like,
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: and it can go one of two ways. For softball,
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: it's going up right, baseball's going down right.
• 27:24
  Speaker 7: And that's what's you know, that's gonna be and you'll
• 27:27
  Speaker 7: see it change a lot, you know, over the years,
• 27:29
  Speaker 7: I think with how college sports is going. But you know,
• 27:34
  Speaker 7: and there's a chance that LSU baseball has the chance
• 27:37
  Speaker 7: to do that. They they find a way to learn
• 27:39
  Speaker 7: to play together and you know, and I don't know
• 27:42
  Speaker 7: the answers. I don't know what's going on in that
• 27:46
  Speaker 7: locker room specifically. I don't know everything, but I do know,
• 27:50
  Speaker 7: like these are great kids, you know, and and they're
• 27:53
  Speaker 7: doing their best, and they're and trying and effort and
• 27:56
  Speaker 7: confidence is not an issue.
• 27:59
  Speaker 4: And I got a chance to with Gordon last week.
• 28:01
  Speaker 7: They come in and do their nil, shoot and get
• 28:03
  Speaker 7: to talk to them and do a little podcasts with them.
• 28:05
  Speaker 4: They're awesome.
• 28:06
  Speaker 7: Like, these kids are doing everything they can to play hard,
• 28:09
  Speaker 7: and it's you know, it's just not going in their
• 28:12
  Speaker 7: favorite Baseball is like that sometimes, you know, baseball's a
• 28:14
  Speaker 7: lot of you don't like to hear it, but it's
• 28:17
  Speaker 7: very luck driven and just things aren't going their way
• 28:20
  Speaker 7: and there is a way to turn that around. And
• 28:22
  Speaker 7: people don't like to hear that. Well, look, but that's
• 28:26
  Speaker 7: a part of it, you know. And you know, these
• 28:28
  Speaker 7: are great kids and the best coaching staff in America,
• 28:32
  Speaker 7: and I don't want that to get lost on people.
• 28:34
  Speaker 7: You know, Like this is if you don't think Jay
• 28:36
  Speaker 7: Johnson's proven himself, you need to leave. You need to
• 28:40
  Speaker 7: just get out.
• 28:40
  Speaker 4: You know.
• 28:41
  Speaker 7: It's just sometimes years don't go your way and you
• 28:44
  Speaker 7: can't win a national championship every year.
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: It's just you know, yeah, well and Jay, we trust exactly,
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: and so tell us, like from your in your shoes,
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: like what are realistic expectations for the rest of the
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: Like what goals they got? Certainly their goals going to
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: be win every single game for the team within the building. Yeah,
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: Like as a fan base, and as a former player, like,
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: what's a really realistic expectation for that thing?
• 29:07
  Speaker 4: All right, So they're six and twelve. They got two
• 29:09
  Speaker 4: home series, two away series.
• 29:12
  Speaker 7: I think that if they win three of those series,
• 29:17
  Speaker 7: which is very doable, very very doable. You know, they've
• 29:20
  Speaker 7: shown that, they've proven they can be a good team.
• 29:22
  Speaker 7: They just need to do it, you know. So if
• 29:24
  Speaker 7: they go to Mississipi, Mississippi State this weekend, win two
• 29:27
  Speaker 7: or three there, just you know, don't get swept there.
• 29:30
  Speaker 7: They come home, they got to sweep Yeah, you know,
• 29:33
  Speaker 7: they got to sweep South Carolina, and then they go
• 29:36
  Speaker 7: to Athens, which is going to be their toughest probably
• 29:39
  Speaker 7: game of the year, just talent wise. Based off of
• 29:41
  Speaker 7: that team, Georgia looks, you know, looks the part of
• 29:44
  Speaker 7: a college baseball team and a national champion and a
• 29:46
  Speaker 7: guy who's going to go to Omaha. They looked that
• 29:49
  Speaker 7: part and the yeah, in a couple of places, he's
• 29:52
  Speaker 7: been exactly, he's been around the block. And I love Wes.
• 29:55
  Speaker 7: He's a great guy. He helped me out a lot,
• 29:58
  Speaker 7: you know, and pitching and whatever. They go there and
• 30:01
  Speaker 7: don't get swept and they come back in sweep Florida,
• 30:04
  Speaker 7: and then you go win a couple games in the
• 30:06
  Speaker 7: SEC tournament, you get hot. You know, things are looking
• 30:10
  Speaker 7: your way to be in a regional and you might
• 30:12
  Speaker 7: not host one, but who cares. You know, you go,
• 30:14
  Speaker 7: you make it an NCAA appearance, and you don't know
• 30:18
  Speaker 7: what happens, right, you know, you don't know where you
• 30:20
  Speaker 7: end up, who you're playing against, and and sometimes things
• 30:22
  Speaker 7: just go your way and you get hot at the
• 30:24
  Speaker 7: right time, like you saw it in twenty three when
• 30:27
  Speaker 7: Ole Miss or twenty two when Old Miss one. You know,
• 30:30
  Speaker 7: actually the last time LSU got swept was in twenty two.
• 30:34
  Speaker 7: We got swept in twenty twenty two against Ole Miss.
• 30:36
  Speaker 7: That was when Old Miss flipped. They flipped and then
• 30:39
  Speaker 7: just started going nuts, and then they won the national championship.
• 30:42
  Speaker 4: You know, they just got hot, and.
• 30:44
  Speaker 3: That you know, had that moments in their seasons, right
• 30:46
  Speaker 3: had they were struggling, Yeah, flipped it.
• 30:49
  Speaker 7: And there's been a lot more of a struggle with
• 30:51
  Speaker 7: LG Baseball I think than those, But there's still a
• 30:53
  Speaker 7: chance to flip it around. You know, you go win
• 30:56
  Speaker 7: a bunch of games in the SEC tournament and all
• 30:57
  Speaker 7: of a sudden, it's like well, where's this been all season?
• 31:00
  Speaker 7: It's just it's baseball. The age old quote, it's baseball.
• 31:04
  Speaker 4: So you gotta punch.
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: Back, got to punch you gotta do you gotta do
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: something different, yeah, like, and that's that's what we haven't
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: been able to see. There hasn't been like, there's been
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: no drastic there's been no sension all year of the team,
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: like we're getting a little bit better at this all
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: all year long. It just hasn't been that. So they're
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: gonna have to do something they haven't done this season
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: right to be consistent enough to make that type of run.
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: And can they do it? Yeah? Yeah, will they do it?
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: That's gonna be.
• 31:31
  Speaker 4: Yeah. All right.
• 31:32
  Speaker 3: Uh, A lot going on with Louisiana. Loaded go out
• 31:36
  Speaker 3: here on a positive note. I'm pretty tired. Yeah, a
• 31:39
  Speaker 3: long weekend. You told us your schedule last week and
• 31:42
  Speaker 3: then you just laid it out again for us.
• 31:44
  Speaker 7: Tell the people what your schedule was. Let's see started
• 31:47
  Speaker 7: at Tipotinas on Thursday. Thursday Night saw the Bends. Awesome
• 31:53
  Speaker 7: little little band from Baton Rouge lsu Band saw them
• 31:56
  Speaker 7: at Tipotina's Long night, Hopped on a hopped on a
• 32:02
  Speaker 7: plane to Shreveport, did some crawfish for the Gordon's offices
• 32:05
  Speaker 7: up in Monroe and Shreveport rubber boots.
• 32:08
  Speaker 4: Uh awesome crawfish up there. Yeah.
• 32:12
  Speaker 7: Flew back straight to Fred's to see the bends again, obviously,
• 32:16
  Speaker 7: and then French Quarterfest Saturday did all that and then
• 32:20
  Speaker 7: Sunday hit the game.
• 32:23
  Speaker 4: Good weekend, long Saturday night.
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: We took it.
• 32:27
  Speaker 4: Took it easy, man.
• 32:28
  Speaker 7: It was take a long weekend and long week this week.
• 32:31
  Speaker 7: Jazz Fest starts this week in Louisiana. Zurich Classic this weekend. Yep,
• 32:36
  Speaker 7: you know it's it's on the move, the up and up.
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: You're gonna be at all the above.
• 32:40
  Speaker 4: I will be at all of you. Grab some high
• 32:43
  Speaker 4: on your good no doubt, great point hydration station. All right, Well,
• 32:49
  Speaker 4: we appreciate.
• 32:50
  Speaker 3: Hopefully next week we'll have a little bit better spirits
• 32:53
  Speaker 3: because LSU Baseball did something special.
• 32:55
  Speaker 4: Let's see what happens. It'll be good. Get it done.
• 32:58
  Speaker 4: We'll take a break more OTB when we come back.
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  Speaker 3: the Will Helmers for who, man, God bless his liver
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  Speaker 2: Don't waste it. Cassie, Well, I know you had a
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  Speaker 4: I'm sorry. Yeah, all right, we ran out of time.
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  Speaker 4: Our fault.
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  Speaker 2: That's that's on us.
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  Speaker 4: It's all right, we'll be better. You can ask Hunt
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  Speaker 4: the same baseball question.
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  Speaker 6: I could do that.
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  Speaker 3: I do always forget they were three and twelve that year,
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  Speaker 3: twenty four, but that, you know, even that just felt different.
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  Speaker 6: It feels apathetic.
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  Speaker 2: So at a certain point they were six and twelve,
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  Speaker 2: then potentially they were.
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  Speaker 6: I don't remember how it went, but it was just Sam.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, mmm, players only meeting second week, second week in
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  Speaker 2: a row.
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  Speaker 3: No, I've never been a I hate players, like Buddy guy.
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  Speaker 3: And I'm not talking just this team, like teams I've
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  Speaker 3: been on. Like everyone, players, only do your job. If
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  Speaker 3: I gonna have somebody to get up there and say
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  Speaker 3: we gotta work hard, shut up, do your job players only? Okay,
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  Speaker 3: what are you gonna say in here that the coaches
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  Speaker 3: can't hear the players only? I brought it up man,
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  Speaker 3: making fun of it.
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  Speaker 4: I know, I know you are. I know you hate
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  Speaker 4: them as much as I do.
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  Speaker 5: M M.
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  Speaker 3: I mean that team, you know, a team that we're
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  Speaker 3: talking about too, Like they also had Gauge Jump, Luke Coleman,
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  Speaker 3: Kate Anderson was on that team.
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  Speaker 4: Young player Gryffin Herring was on that team. He's pretty good.
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  Speaker 4: Griffin Herring was one of my favorites, like of all time.
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  Speaker 4: He was so good.
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  Speaker 3: You had Coleman out of the pin, one of the
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  Speaker 3: best relievers ever out of the pin, so.
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  Speaker 6: Which I said during the break that ironic. Oh yeah,
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  Speaker 6: that's you heard ironically. I feel like the only thing
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  Speaker 6: that is progressing is the bullpen, not the starting pitching.
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  Speaker 6: But the bullpen has been pretty okay for how it
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  Speaker 6: all started.
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  Speaker 2: But it's I mean, the starting pitching hasn't been terrible.
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  Speaker 6: It hasn't been terrible, but it also hasn't been what
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  Speaker 6: it's been the past few years. Like last year you
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  Speaker 6: had Kate Anderson and Anthony ianson the year before that,
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  Speaker 6: you had Luke Coleman Engaged Jump, and then you had
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  Speaker 6: Paul Skeen's ty Floyd Like it's it's when that's been
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  Speaker 6: the standard the entire time, it's kind of hard to
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  Speaker 6: look at this pitching staff that's not doing horrible, but
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  Speaker 6: they're also like, aside from William Schmidt, not starters. Cason Evans, Yeah,
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  Speaker 6: eight strikeouts and gave up six runs, but like he's
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  Speaker 6: just not I don't think he's a starter.
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  Speaker 4: I think, yeah, he's and for.
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  Speaker 6: Sure, like he had double digit Yeah he had double
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  Speaker 6: digit strikeouts. Like he has great stuff, it's just not working.
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  Speaker 6: I don't think he's a bad pitcher. And then whenever
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  Speaker 6: they put Grant Fonto in, I knew they were gonna
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  Speaker 6: save Zach for Sunday and last season I was like, no, like,
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  Speaker 6: let's not start Zach Cowen. Let's he's a middle because
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  Speaker 6: last season was different. Last season we didn't need that.
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  Speaker 6: Last season, we needed a reliever and he was a
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  Speaker 6: great reliever. This season with Cooper more out, I mean,
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  Speaker 6: you got to make that move which ended up Devon
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  Speaker 6: Sheeran is doing.
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  Speaker 4: Really good.
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  Speaker 2: But we and we talked about how Jay Johnson values
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  Speaker 2: is always going to value the lineup over defense and.
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  Speaker 6: Not if your lineup's not producing exactly.
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: So if your defense is going to flounder a little bit,
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  Speaker 2: you got to put up runs. And that has been
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: again that's been one of those things that has saved
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  Speaker 2: you and has hidden some things as some big innings
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: and some big games with a lot of a lot
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: of run production. But when that's not there, you can't
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  Speaker 2: go against A and M and score two on Saturday
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: and Sunday, right, can't do it like the and I
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  Speaker 2: bring it up with a pitching. Yeah, it's not like
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  Speaker 2: the elite pitching that we've been spoiled by the last
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: couple of years. But it hasn't been the worst starting
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: pitching right out there, like it's it's winnable, right, and
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  Speaker 2: if you're should be sacks you up, sure you should.
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  Speaker 6: Swept swept, but you were playing from behind the entire weekend.
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  Speaker 6: And I know he's injured right now. I think he
• 41:12
  Speaker 6: has like a cut on his finger or something like that.
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  Speaker 6: But it seems like Trent Carraway has lost his spot
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  Speaker 6: in the lineup since before that we haven't seen a
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  Speaker 6: lot of him, but I think his fielding at their
• 41:25
  Speaker 6: what are y'all laughing at? I know, I know, we'll
• 41:30
  Speaker 6: like you kind of got to That's what I said.
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  Speaker 6: Whenever I learned. I was like, well, it better be
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  Speaker 6: like a deep ass cut, like it better be I mean,
• 41:39
  Speaker 6: I was like okay, sure, like okay, whatever, but it
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  Speaker 6: seems like he lost his spot on the on the
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  Speaker 6: on the lineup, and I just.
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  Speaker 4: Like he was a rotating player. Yeah, was a part
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  Speaker 4: of it.
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  Speaker 6: Right, But I just don't feel like he's doing any
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  Speaker 6: worse than what a lot of other people are doing
• 41:59
  Speaker 6: on this So like that is like a his I
• 42:02
  Speaker 6: think that he was good at their base. So that's
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  Speaker 6: just something that's a little perplexing to me.
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  Speaker 3: My finger, there's just I mean, even go back.
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  Speaker 4: To twenty four like it, and.
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  Speaker 3: They would have sweeps, they would have guys that they
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  Speaker 3: had guys that would fight.
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  Speaker 6: Like I've said it at nausea.
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  Speaker 2: I can't get you can't get swept. Oh Latin.
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  Speaker 3: Sorry, I'm sitting here looking at like the twenty four
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  Speaker 3: like and just having people like and again like I'm
• 42:34
  Speaker 3: not saying these baseball players are more talented, but like
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  Speaker 3: he had guys have a fight, yeah, and scratch and claw,
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  Speaker 3: like Hayden Travinsky, Josh Pearson, Ashton Larsen, even his young
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  Speaker 3: player remember that year, how like big he came up
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  Speaker 3: at the end of Malaso like was gonna give you
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  Speaker 3: everything he had. Oh Man, Matt Bingham's the name I
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  Speaker 3: hadn't thought about a long time.
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  Speaker 6: Did he transfer to you out right?
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  Speaker 4: Okay? Ash and Larson did He's a tex He's a Texas. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: You want guys to fight and claw and scratch, but
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: don't get a scratch on your finger.
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  Speaker 4: All right, we're not gonna come back from that on.
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