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Opposition Leader Lia Finochiarro says the Fyles Government has not shown it is making changes to address youth crime · 360 with Katie Woolf

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  Speaker 1: But joining me on the line right now is the
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  Speaker 1: opposition leader Leah Fano Kiao.
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  Speaker 2: Good morning to you, Leah.
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  Speaker 3: Good morning Katie and to your listeners.
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  Speaker 2: Great to have you on the show.
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  Speaker 1: Now.
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  Speaker 2: Plenty to cover off on this morning.
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  Speaker 1: Firstly, we know that police are investigating after a group
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  Speaker 1: of youths terrorized a service station in perrap overnight about
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  Speaker 1: ten o'clock last night. A group of seven had to
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  Speaker 1: be kicked out of the servo after two of them
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  Speaker 1: tried to climb over the counter, with one even throwing
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  Speaker 1: an item at the shop attendant's head. Now police have
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  Speaker 1: confirmed with us this morning that it is the same
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  Speaker 1: servo that was targeted by four female youths on Sunday night. Lea,
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  Speaker 1: this is a frightening situation for those working at the servo.
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  Speaker 1: What's your reaction when you hear that kids as young
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  Speaker 1: as eleven are involved in incidents like this?
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  Speaker 3: Oh, it's absolutely appalling, Katie, absolutely unacceptable and it just
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  Speaker 3: reinforces to me the severity of the problem we have
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  Speaker 3: in the territory that is only getting worse.
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  Speaker 4: Now.
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  Speaker 3: We've got Kate Warden a new Minister for Police, but
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  Speaker 3: she also holds the territory family's portfolio, which is where
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  Speaker 3: use justice sits. And so rather than having a situation
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  Speaker 3: where we're going to see improvements in crime, I am
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  Speaker 3: extremely concerned that this is only going to exacerbate a
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  Speaker 3: very bad situation before.
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  Speaker 2: Why do you reckon it's going to make it worse.
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  Speaker 3: I think it's going to make it worse because you
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  Speaker 3: have police on one hand, who, just like with those
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  Speaker 3: ten and twelve year olds who are arrested for aggravated
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  Speaker 3: robbery and then bailed, we've got a situation where police
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  Speaker 3: in the community have broader expectations around people doing the
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  Speaker 3: wrong thing not receiving bail. And then you have territory
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  Speaker 3: families of course, who've driven this agenda or the you know,
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  Speaker 3: the labor government who've driven this agenda of making sure
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  Speaker 3: breach of bowel condition isn't an offense. And I think
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  Speaker 3: inherently those two organizations just.
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  Speaker 4: It's they're not aligned. They're not aligned.
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  Speaker 3: We've got police having to catch these kids every single
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  Speaker 3: day and then let them go, and you've got territory
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  Speaker 3: families making sure that the kids are being let go.
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  Speaker 3: So it's an unsustainable situation. But again goes back to
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  Speaker 3: the fact that our laws aren't aren't working well. Territory
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  Speaker 3: families have a bigger care and protection of children role
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  Speaker 3: to play here, because ultimately, if you're ten years old
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  Speaker 3: and you're out in the street in the middle of
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  Speaker 3: the night, breaking and entering and aggravated robbery, that is
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  Speaker 3: a child protection issue, and of course it harks back
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  Speaker 3: to a lack of alternative sentencing options and policies around
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  Speaker 3: getting these kids into school, into skills training and offer
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  Speaker 3: paths of crime.
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  Speaker 1: Look taking that into account that you know, as you've
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  Speaker 1: said that it is obviously a situation where you know
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  Speaker 1: where you're wondering where the parents are, You're wondering where
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  Speaker 1: the cares are. Wouldn't that sort of wouldn't that mean
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  Speaker 1: then the changes that they've made could potentially be a
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  Speaker 1: good thing in the sense, you know, if you've now
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  Speaker 1: got the same minister that's overseeing the police portfolio and
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  Speaker 1: also the portfolio of territory families, if you have got
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  Speaker 1: kids that are out on the streets at ten o'clock
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  Speaker 1: at night or eleven o'clock at night, engaged in this
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  Speaker 1: kind of behavior, they're actually able to make sure that
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  Speaker 1: that information is cross referenced and that happens quickly.
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  Speaker 3: Well, that's already happening now. Territory family. You know, police
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  Speaker 3: have to make those notifications. Territory families are the ones
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  Speaker 3: who are supposed to respond, and it's just not happening.
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  Speaker 4: But you know, when you.
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  Speaker 3: Look at people being bailed for aggravated robbery, it's just unbelievable.
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  Speaker 3: It just doesn't meet any standard of community expectations.
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  Speaker 4: So, and this is right across the territory.
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  Speaker 3: When we saw that incident being reported out of Kintoling,
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  Speaker 3: broke into police's house to get the keys to the
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  Speaker 3: police station and then stole weapons from the police station.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, when is this going to end? Those kids
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  Speaker 3: are eleven, fourteen and sixteen. So unless we have a
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  Speaker 3: fundamental change in our thinking and start to do things differently,
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  Speaker 3: nothing's going to change. And unfortunately, the Natasha File's government
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  Speaker 3: hasn't done anything yet that shows that there's going to
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  Speaker 3: be a different pass on crime than there was under
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  Speaker 3: Michael Gunner. And so territories are just left. I think,
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  Speaker 3: you know, when Michael Gunner quit, I think there was
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  Speaker 3: some hope in the community that perhaps Natasha would do
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  Speaker 3: something differently. But it's been a month now and we've
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  Speaker 3: been no movement in that crime space.
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  Speaker 2: I think it's been more like a week and a half,
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  Speaker 2: hasn't it.
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  Speaker 3: No, when we were in Parliament, the cabinet's only about
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  Speaker 3: a week. Hold.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, we've been.
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  Speaker 3: Sitting around for the last six years doing nothing.
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  Speaker 1: Well, look, time will tell, Yeah, time will definitely tell.
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  Speaker 2: There is no doubt about that. Now.
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  Speaker 1: I do want to talk about over the last couple
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  Speaker 1: of days, we've spoken about these claims by the Union
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  Speaker 1: that the CEO of Police Foreign Emergency Services have made
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  Speaker 1: disrespectful comments to a group of new recruits back in April.
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  Speaker 1: So the claim is that Jamie Chalker have made comments
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  Speaker 1: that then the Union have found out about and are
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  Speaker 1: really upset by. They are now calling, of course, for
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  Speaker 1: the separation of fireies from police and emergency services management Lea,
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  Speaker 1: do you think the fireries need to be separated from
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  Speaker 1: police and emergency services?
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  Speaker 3: Look, of course these are allegations and we've had fire
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  Speaker 3: Chief Mark's Being come out and refute those. So I'm
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  Speaker 3: not going to get into the who said what business,
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  Speaker 3: But I think what's really important is there is certainly
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  Speaker 3: there is an issue across police and Fine. Now, whether
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  Speaker 3: that's Jamie Chukus folder.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know. I'm not saying it is. But what
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  Speaker 4: we've been trying to.
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  Speaker 3: Do is look at the causation of why police are
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  Speaker 3: leaving in the high numbers that they are, why morale
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  Speaker 3: is so low. And I think that's to a lesser
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  Speaker 3: degree with the fieries, but clearly they've got their own
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  Speaker 3: concerns and so we've been really proactive about this. We've
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  Speaker 3: tried twice in Parliament to get a reviewer, an inquiry
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  Speaker 3: happening where we can look at these issues and really
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  Speaker 3: delve into why that turnover, why that attrition, why morale,
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  Speaker 3: why the relationship between rank and file and the executive
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  Speaker 3: might be more strained than it has been in the past,
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  Speaker 3: and of course labor have.
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  Speaker 4: Just continued to knock that back.
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  Speaker 3: So we certainly want to see these issues resolve because
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  Speaker 3: it's really important that we have that a very strong
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  Speaker 3: and functioning system and if people on the ground are
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  Speaker 3: feeling higher levels of discontent, and it's the government's obligation
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  Speaker 3: to really get to the bottom of what they can
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  Speaker 3: be doing better to support our rank and files.
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  Speaker 2: So what do you.
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  Speaker 1: Think the government needs to do in this space? I know,
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  Speaker 1: like you said, you guys called for in the last
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  Speaker 1: parliamentary sittings for that parliamentary inquiry into this area. They
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  Speaker 1: knocked that back. What do you reckon needs to happen here, Leah.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I think that is what needs to happen, and
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  Speaker 3: unfortunately we saw again the new files government knocked that back.
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  Speaker 3: We've got a new Police and Fire minister now we
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  Speaker 3: haven't heard from her on this issue. You know, what's
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  Speaker 3: her vision for police foreign emergency services?
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  Speaker 4: How does she want.
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  Speaker 3: To tackle these excessive attrition? I mean, to hit eleven
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  Speaker 3: percent attrition this year is devastating, Katie. You know it's
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  Speaker 3: just a few years ago it was only around two percent.
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  Speaker 3: So we're talking enormous, enormous turnover, morale issues, all of that.
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  Speaker 4: So what is Kate.
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  Speaker 3: Warden's vision for police foreign emergency services? I think that's
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  Speaker 3: what people need to hear. The troops certainly need to
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  Speaker 3: hear it because at the moment, it's things that it's
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  Speaker 3: unsustainable to keep things the way they are, and it's
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  Speaker 3: something we're very very concerned about, especially when you overlay
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  Speaker 3: that crime and violent crime is increasing, our police and
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  Speaker 3: emergency services are being pushed to the very limits, and
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  Speaker 3: something needs to be done. It's just not sustainable and
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  Speaker 3: I'm fearful of what will happen if we keep pushing
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  Speaker 3: them this hard in this direction without doing something well.
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  Speaker 1: I believe I am due to catch up with the
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  Speaker 1: Minister tomorrow morning on the show, so we'll see if
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  Speaker 1: we can get the answers to some of those questions.
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  Speaker 1: Now moving along, Lea, we do know that the prevalence
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  Speaker 1: of flu obviously around the Northern Territory at the moment,
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  Speaker 1: it is high. Yesterday we spoke to Robin Kahl from
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  Speaker 1: the Palmerston GP Superclinic. She spoke to us about, you
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  Speaker 1: know those people that are presenting at the moment with
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  Speaker 1: influenza A in other states at the moment they've decided
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  Speaker 1: to make the flu vaccine free.
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  Speaker 2: Do you reckon that this is a path we should
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  Speaker 2: be going down.
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  Speaker 3: I think it's something government should absolutely be looking at it.
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  Speaker 3: Certainly something will be asking about in estimates when that
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  Speaker 3: rolls around in a week or two times. So you know,
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  Speaker 3: flu is knocking people out at the moment. I think
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  Speaker 3: everyone knows someone who had it, and certainly I know
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  Speaker 3: the schools in my electorate to being heavily impacted both
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  Speaker 3: with students and teachers getting the flu, so you know
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  Speaker 3: that it's flu season time. We need to be making
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  Speaker 3: sure that we've got the most efficient way for people
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  Speaker 3: to be able to have access to the flu show. Now,
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  Speaker 3: of course vulnerable people and certain age categories do get
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  Speaker 3: the free flu shot, but how do we incent A
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  Speaker 3: lot of workplaces provide it for their staff, which is fantastic,
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  Speaker 3: but how do we further incentivize people to be able
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  Speaker 3: to get that job and make sure that they're guarded
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  Speaker 3: against influenza A this year? And I think it should
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  Speaker 3: be on the table now.
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  Speaker 1: Leah Overnight Anthony Albanezi obviously unveiled his new cabinet portfolios
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  Speaker 1: or new portfolios for various people, and we found out
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  Speaker 1: that the Minister for Northern Australia is the member for Quanana,
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  Speaker 1: which is in Rockingham, just outside of per Do you
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  Speaker 1: think that's a true representation of Northern Australia.
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  Speaker 3: I think it's a true representation of federal labor having
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  Speaker 3: absolutely no idea where Northern Australia is and no commitment
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  Speaker 3: to driving a North Australia agenda to have a minister
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  Speaker 3: representing us and the Kimberley and the top of Queensland
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  Speaker 3: sitting in Perth couldn't be more out of touch if
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  Speaker 3: you tried, maybe if they made them from Tasmania. I
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  Speaker 3: don't know, Katie, but I think it also shows a
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  Speaker 3: lack of confidence in Luke Gosling. Really he should have
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  Speaker 3: got that job and he's walked out without anything from
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  Speaker 3: that cabinet despite being a two term member. And I
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  Speaker 3: think it also shows a lack of influence that Natasha
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  Speaker 3: Files has had at that federal level of not being
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  Speaker 3: able to lobby to secure someone actually from Northern Australia
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  Speaker 3: to represent her.
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  Speaker 2: I thought it was bloody ridiculous when I read that.
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  Speaker 1: You know that we've obviously got you know, fair enough
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  Speaker 1: that she's the Minister for Resources as well as I
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  Speaker 1: understand it, because obviously Rockingham is an area where there
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  Speaker 1: is you know, a lot of a lot happening when
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  Speaker 1: it comes to that space. But then to think that
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  Speaker 1: Northern Australia we've now got someone based out of Rockingham,
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  Speaker 1: I was quite sucked.
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  Speaker 2: I've gotta tell you.
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  Speaker 3: It's terrible and it can only mean one thing, and
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  Speaker 3: that's that there's not going to be a major focus.
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  Speaker 3: So I think we need to be looking really carefully
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  Speaker 3: at whether there's going to be changes in policy direction
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  Speaker 3: in that scope.
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  Speaker 4: It certainly means the voices of.
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  Speaker 3: The people right across the north of this country are
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  Speaker 3: not going to be properly represented. Perth is a very
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  Speaker 3: very different place to the Kimberley, to the Territory, to
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  Speaker 3: North Queensland, and it's no matter how enthusiastic or hard
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  Speaker 3: working this minister might be, they're just not going to
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  Speaker 3: get it. They're just not going to be as passionate
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  Speaker 3: about it because they're not from the area. And so
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  Speaker 3: it's a huge loss for territorians already just a few
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  Speaker 3: short weeks into it in a labor federal government.
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  Speaker 2: Now a Leah before I Let you Go.
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  Speaker 1: A report by Jano Gibson on the ABC Online, it's
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  Speaker 1: been reported that the Northern Territory is Official Slow could
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  Speaker 1: be changed to we are the Territory after taxpayer funded
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  Speaker 1: research found that the current Boundless Possible tagline has left
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  Speaker 1: locals uninspired, confused, and in some cases furious. But despite
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  Speaker 1: spending more than one hundred and thirty thousand dollars on
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  Speaker 1: the rebranding efforts, the government has kept a recommended new
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  Speaker 1: catchphrase secret for more than a year apparently, so the
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  Speaker 1: ABC is reporting that this marketing takeover only emerged after
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  Speaker 1: they had obtained internal government documents detailing the results of
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  Speaker 1: brand testing with focus groups and influencers last year. So
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  Speaker 1: the Boundless Possible slogan, as we know it was, well,
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  Speaker 1: it was the subject of some real ridicule since it
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  Speaker 1: was first unveiled back in twenty eighteen as part of
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  Speaker 1: that broader one point five million dollar brand narrative.
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  Speaker 2: Lea, what are your thoughts in this space?
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  Speaker 1: I think the thing that concerns me was not so much,
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  Speaker 1: you know, the actual tagline, but there was meant to
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  Speaker 1: be a whole heap of you know, a whole heap
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  Speaker 1: of work done in conjunction with this to lure people
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  Speaker 1: to the Northern Territory, which it clearly didn't do.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, it's been a flop right from the start. Of course,
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  Speaker 3: the government has spent millions of dollars. It's actually employed
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  Speaker 3: more public servants to fill roles just to work in
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  Speaker 3: Boundless Possible. We paid inter state consultants tens of thousands
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  Speaker 3: of dollars to come up with the slogan and a
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  Speaker 3: design that looked like it was copied off the Dubai slogan.
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  Speaker 3: No one understood what boundless possible even meant. Of course,
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  Speaker 3: then we found out there were no KPIs. We urenersed
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  Speaker 3: through questioning that there were no KPIs around what this,
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  Speaker 3: all of this expenditure was going to do for the territory.
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  Speaker 3: We had the failed scheme where we were paying people
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  Speaker 3: to move to the territory, which clearly wasn't working. We
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  Speaker 3: had forty thousand dollars rockets with boundless Possible being shot
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  Speaker 3: up into the air, and people will remember all the
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  Speaker 3: bunting and fence wrap of boundless possible we'd see around
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  Speaker 3: construction sites. So it's been a complete and total disaster.
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  Speaker 3: And I cannot believe the government and are wasting more
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  Speaker 3: taxpayers dollars trying to come up with a new slogan.
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  Speaker 4: We are the territory. Well, I mean, goodness is gracious?
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  Speaker 3: We know that right, It's what.
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  Speaker 4: On earth are we doing?
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  Speaker 3: I wish these people would spend more time focusing on
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  Speaker 3: growing our economy and reducing crime than worrying about whether
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  Speaker 3: we should put at the bottom of.
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  Speaker 4: Our emails that we are the territory in goodness. If
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  Speaker 4: we don't know that. What do we know, Katie, Well.
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  Speaker 2: That's right.
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  Speaker 1: We certainly know where we are, there's no doubt about it.
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  Speaker 3: We can put it on the slogan on the bottom
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  Speaker 3: of the email of the new North Australian Minister.
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  Speaker 4: We are the territory.
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  Speaker 3: Maybe we can convince her.
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  Speaker 4: Be a good reminder of.
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  Speaker 2: Where we are. I beg. We could send a man map.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, Leah fochi ao, we better leave it there.
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  Speaker 2: Good to catch up with you as always. Thanks for
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  Speaker 2: your time.
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  Speaker 4: Cost one hundred and thirty grand. We just come up
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  Speaker 4: with that, just thank Katie.
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  Speaker 2: Thanks Lea