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The Late Debate | 23 March · The Late Debate

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  Speaker 1: Welcome the Late Debase.
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  Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us on the Late Debate. I'm James
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  Speaker 2: MacPerson with Caleb Bond and Anika did Georgio. Have both
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  Speaker 2: enjoyed a wonderful weekend. What'd you get up to, Caleb?
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  Speaker 3: I was down in Adelaide, of course, did a bit
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  Speaker 3: of pre election stuff on the Friday, went to a
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  Speaker 3: wedding on the Saturday, caught up with family on Sunday.
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  Speaker 1: And there's something you're not telling us. What else did
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  Speaker 1: you do?
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  Speaker 4: Well?
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  Speaker 3: Okay, yes, I went to watch the Adelaide Crows and
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  Speaker 3: perform Friday night and we lost to the Bulldogs by
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  Speaker 3: one goal. I thought we were going to win that
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  Speaker 3: game in the last quarter. We were apped by two
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  Speaker 3: golds and lost by one. It was a disgrace anyway,
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  Speaker 3: thanks for bringing that up, James, You've really set the
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  Speaker 3: show off on a good tone.
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  Speaker 1: Tonight. Was your weekend better Thanika?
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  Speaker 4: I had a good weekend.
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  Speaker 5: I must point out that Caleb and I are actually
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  Speaker 5: in the same colours tonight and James the first didn't
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  Speaker 5: quite get the memo he's in pink this eve, but
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  Speaker 5: I just thought i'd point that out.
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  Speaker 4: A little palette look great Dennie, thank you look great.
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  Speaker 2: Supposed to be a team you two are conspiring on
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  Speaker 2: wardrobe and not including me.
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  Speaker 3: He didn't get the memo. By the way, how did
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  Speaker 3: your team go, James there?
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  Speaker 1: Well, actually d Nika's team, Well, my team. So we're
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  Speaker 1: not going to talk any further about that.
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  Speaker 2: Let's get stuck into what's coming up tonight. The Victorian
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  Speaker 2: state election is just eight months away. But will anyone
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  Speaker 2: be left in Victoria to vote? A new study shows
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  Speaker 2: one in three Victorians want to leave.
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  Speaker 1: Is the AFL too white?
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  Speaker 2: While the NRL is highly multicultural, The AFL is becoming
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  Speaker 2: less so so is.
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  Speaker 1: That a problem.
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  Speaker 2: We'll get into it shortly, and the UK Council offers
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  Speaker 2: its staff counseling in advance of a visit by reform
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  Speaker 2: leader Nigel Farage. All of that coming up, but first,
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  Speaker 2: ABC staff will walk off the job on Wednesday as
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  Speaker 2: they strike for higher pay. It's the first ABC strike
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  Speaker 2: in twenty years and comes after staff rejected a ten
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  Speaker 2: percent pay rise.
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  Speaker 1: Spread over three years.
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  Speaker 2: Managing director Hugh Marx admitted the payoffer, a three point
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  Speaker 2: twenty five percent pay rise per year, was slightly below inflation,
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  Speaker 2: but he told the Cidney Morning Herald. Inflation isn't my
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  Speaker 2: job as the managing director of the ABC to address
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  Speaker 2: our funding I think goes up on average two point
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  Speaker 2: seven two point eight percent a year. If I allow
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  Speaker 2: my costs to increase significantly faster than that, I'll be
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  Speaker 2: cutting content and services, so with staff and management at Loggerheads.
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  Speaker 2: If you tune into the ABC on Wednesday, you'll get reruns.
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  Speaker 2: The question Caleb is will anyone notice?
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  Speaker 3: They may will not look as long as they don't
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  Speaker 3: interfere with the Mighty Challenge, which is the quiz that
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  Speaker 3: runs at midnight on ABC Radio, which I am a
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  Speaker 3: devote when I go, oh, it'll be all fine with me.
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  Speaker 3: But look, to be honest, they've been offered a reasonable
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  Speaker 3: pay rise, I think, and I accept.
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  Speaker 6: That it is below inflation.
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  Speaker 3: But the ABC, and yes they are a publicly funded organization,
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  Speaker 3: but they have to deal with the same pressures that
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  Speaker 3: everyone else does in terms of overheads and the cost
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  Speaker 3: of running business, etc. And what Mark says is correct
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  Speaker 3: that there increase in funding is below inflation as well.
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  Speaker 3: They have to take this stuff into account. Times are tough,
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  Speaker 3: it's tough in business. Sure, they're publicly funded but they
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  Speaker 3: do have to operate to a budget because otherwise they'll
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  Speaker 3: go knocking to the federal government saying we want more money,
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  Speaker 3: in which case we'd all be sitting here saying, well,
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  Speaker 3: do they deserve more money? So they've got to run
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  Speaker 3: a reasonably tight ship. And they begin from a position
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  Speaker 3: at the ABC. And I know people who work at
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  Speaker 3: the ABC. Many of them are good people, but they
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  Speaker 3: are reasonably well paid comparatively at the ABC compared to
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  Speaker 3: the rest of journalism. I went and had a look
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  Speaker 3: this evening at their job advertisements at the moment, if
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  Speaker 3: you want to be the executive producer of hack On
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  Speaker 3: Triple J, which is a youth news program that goes
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  Speaker 3: for half an hour a day, they're offering an eleven
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  Speaker 3: month contract, which presumably filling in for someone else's going
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  Speaker 3: off to do something else. One hundred and twenty to
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  Speaker 3: one hundred and thirty three thousand dollars a year to
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  Speaker 3: be the EP of a half hour radio program, pro rata.
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  Speaker 3: That's the base salary, so over time. On top of that,
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  Speaker 3: a reporter in esperates in WA and that's a regional job, right,
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  Speaker 3: which is entry level for people trying to go into
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  Speaker 3: TV journalism.
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  Speaker 6: Eighty one to ninety nine thousand.
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  Speaker 3: Dollars a year, which is pretty good for an entry
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  Speaker 3: level job, very good exceptional for an entry job in television.
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  Speaker 3: And they also at the ABC pay fifteen point four
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  Speaker 3: percent super so you're beginning from a pretty good base.
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  Speaker 3: So to be honest, I'd say we're all doing it
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  Speaker 3: tough at the moment.
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  Speaker 6: Suck it up for a little while, I said.
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  Speaker 5: And so many companies out there, and obviously this is
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  Speaker 5: a government department, but so many companies are tightening their
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  Speaker 5: belts as it is that you would accept that if
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  Speaker 5: you've got to pay rise in the private sector, you go, look,
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  Speaker 5: I'll take whatever I can get in this cost of
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  Speaker 5: living crisis. But here's what really drives me nuts about
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  Speaker 5: the ABC the most right, Like they've got, firstly, these
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  Speaker 5: woke editorial directions. They've got bias hosts, bias journalists. They
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  Speaker 5: have become so irrelevant it's like who do they even
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  Speaker 5: represent anymore? Because they certainly don't represent the every day
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  Speaker 5: Aussie and they're begging for more money, and when they
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  Speaker 5: don't get it, their natural instinct is to go on
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  Speaker 5: strike to the point, to the point, hang on to
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  Speaker 5: the point where programming is going to be impacted. Shows
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  Speaker 5: may not make it to air. I mean, can you
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  Speaker 5: imagine if the three of us walked off set, I'm
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  Speaker 5: going to go on strike and we would literally be
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  Speaker 5: sacked from our jobs.
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  Speaker 4: We wouldn't do that.
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  Speaker 5: But at the ABC, oh no, they can get away
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  Speaker 5: with it because they're.
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  Speaker 4: A government department. They can just trot off in the
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  Speaker 4: middle of the day and do nothing.
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  Speaker 2: I think you're being a little unfair to the ABS.
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  Speaker 2: It's not their natural. This is the first strike they've
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  Speaker 2: had in twenty years, so I don't think you can
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  Speaker 2: say they're naturally.
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  Speaker 4: They've done that.
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  Speaker 5: No, to be fair, they've had the odds strike here
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  Speaker 5: and they're not necessarily overpaid, but they certainly aren't immune
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  Speaker 5: to a to a walk off the job James.
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  Speaker 2: And secondly, they've been negotiating this for quite some time.
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  Speaker 2: It's not like at the first roadblock they've said, right,
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  Speaker 2: that's it, We're out of here.
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  Speaker 5: So you think that stuff at the ABC deserve more
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  Speaker 5: than this, I would say, very generous, I.
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  Speaker 2: Think, regardless of your ideological differences with the ABC.
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  Speaker 1: But when I say you're I mean the Royal.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know you personally, I mean the Royal you're
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  Speaker 2: I think, wherever you work, you've got a right to
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  Speaker 2: advocate for pay rises that at least match inflation. I
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  Speaker 2: don't begrudge them that at all. I might not particularly
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  Speaker 2: love the ABC, but if your pay rise is less
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  Speaker 2: than the rate of inflation, I understand why they'd be
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  Speaker 2: a little bit upset about.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 5: So they're a public broadcaster, they're going to trot off
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  Speaker 5: the job. Program is going to be impacted. Programs won't
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  Speaker 5: go to air, news won't go to air, up to
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  Speaker 5: date bulletins will not make it. And you think that
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  Speaker 5: that is acceptable from a public broadcaster.
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  Speaker 2: Well, teachers do it, nurses do it, everybody does it.
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  Speaker 2: So I don't see why we should can the ABC
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  Speaker 2: because they're advocating for a better wage deal, just the
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  Speaker 2: same as everybody else.
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  Speaker 6: Underhan the teachers and the nurses when they've done it
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  Speaker 6: as well. So you know, I kind of got to
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  Speaker 6: be fair here.
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  Speaker 3: I don't think you endear anyone to your cause when
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  Speaker 3: you go on strike. Befow that's true, because you unfairly
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  Speaker 3: inconvenience other people, and like it or not, the ABC
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  Speaker 3: is a different kettle of fish to a commercial outfit
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  Speaker 3: because they are publicly funded, and so the salaries of
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  Speaker 3: people who work at the ABC are paid for by
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  Speaker 3: you and me through our taxes, and so we expect
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  Speaker 3: a certain level of service provision for paying that tax.
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  Speaker 6: So, whether you like it or not, it is a
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  Speaker 6: little bit different.
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  Speaker 3: And there are also people still working at the ABC
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  Speaker 3: who are under the old scheme, so they started there
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  Speaker 3: working there decades ago at a time where you were
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  Speaker 3: eligible for a public service pension for working at the ABC.
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  Speaker 3: That means when they retire they will get a defined
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  Speaker 3: benefit indexed for the rest of their lives, which is
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  Speaker 3: a portion of the salary that they finished on when
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  Speaker 3: they leave the ABC. It will include these people who
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  Speaker 3: are walking off the job tomorrow who are getting some
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  Speaker 3: of the best deals known demand.
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  Speaker 2: I got to say when we decided that to talk
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  Speaker 2: about this topic at the top of the show, I
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  Speaker 2: never thought it would have me thinking about joining the ABC.
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  Speaker 1: Take me just for comparisons.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, the ABC's government funded, right, so public sector
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  Speaker 2: pay rises over the last little while. The APS got
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  Speaker 2: an eleven point two percent rise over three years. New
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  Speaker 2: South Wales tafe ten point five percent. Now I know
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  Speaker 2: we're comparing tafe teachers with journos. But these are all
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  Speaker 2: sort of government funded institutions, so the ten percent offer
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  Speaker 2: would be about on par with other government workers' offers,
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  Speaker 2: so you can debate whether or not they should be out.
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  Speaker 4: We'll look out.
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  Speaker 5: David Spears and James McPherson's coming for you.
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  Speaker 4: Job is ready for inside, like David Spears.
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  Speaker 6: Let's sick McPherson off to the ABC. You heard it.
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  Speaker 6: Let's go from one David Spears to another. Of course
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  Speaker 6: David Spears used to work here.
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  Speaker 1: Now he's over at the ABC.
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  Speaker 6: On inside.
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  Speaker 3: There's also another blow called David Spears, who for a
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  Speaker 3: little while was the opposition leader in South Australia until
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  Speaker 3: it came out that he was snorting cocaine. But he
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  Speaker 3: said that was a deep video and he ran for
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  Speaker 3: his seat as an independent again Black. He ran in
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  Speaker 3: and he lost it on the weekend.
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  Speaker 6: But all of that.
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  Speaker 3: Brings me to the extraordinary election that was the state
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  Speaker 3: election in South Australia on the weekend.
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  Speaker 6: Now I don't need to tell you.
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  Speaker 3: I assume that of course Malanawskus romped at home. The
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  Speaker 3: Labor Party romped at home. They have won a super majority,
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  Speaker 3: but all the eyes were on one nation and what
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  Speaker 3: was one Nation going to do. Now we've got the
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  Speaker 3: latest numbers here for you which will show you the
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  Speaker 3: state of the House at the moment. That's the primary
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  Speaker 3: vote there, which shows that One Nation has overtaken the
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  Speaker 3: Liberal Party as the second most popular party in South Australia.
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  Speaker 3: Also interesting to note, despite an increase in seats for
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  Speaker 3: the Labor Party, their primary vote has gone down by
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  Speaker 3: two point three percent because in a lot of the
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  Speaker 3: serious Labor Party seats in suburban Adelaide, they also lost
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  Speaker 3: ground to One Nation. Now, this is the state of
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  Speaker 3: the Parliament as it is tonight. I think we've got
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  Speaker 3: that graphic coming up for you. Now this is projection.
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  Speaker 3: This is the Sky and News projection. As it stands,
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  Speaker 3: One Nation set to take two seats in the Lower House.
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  Speaker 3: There are four currently undecided. Three of them one Nation
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  Speaker 3: is currently leading in so one Nation could end up
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  Speaker 3: with between three to five seats. The Libs could end
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  Speaker 3: up between four to six seats, So this is a
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  Speaker 3: pretty good result for one Nation. Of course they'll also
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  Speaker 3: get three presumably in the Upper House too. Cory Bernardi
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  Speaker 3: Carlos Kuremba, who was talking to Sharry Markson earlier, another
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  Speaker 3: one of their candidates. They have played an absolute blinder
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  Speaker 3: over the weekend. They have proven that this is not
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  Speaker 3: just a flash in the pan. This is a real
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  Speaker 3: phenomenon that we've seen in our federal polls and a
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  Speaker 3: state election. And as I said before, Labor did lose
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  Speaker 3: votes to One Nation, particular Killer Lee in outer suburban seats,
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  Speaker 3: and they're scared about this. Listen to the way that
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  Speaker 3: Peter Malanawskus has been talking about One Nation. He knows
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  Speaker 3: that they're a threat to the Labor Party as well.
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  Speaker 3: So does Andrew Lee, the federal Labor MP, who's put
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  Speaker 3: out a rather odd video on social media after this result,
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  Speaker 3: warning about the folly of One Nation.
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  Speaker 7: You might be hearing more about Pauline Hansen and One
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  Speaker 7: Nation lately, but if you're a young man thinking about
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  Speaker 7: your future, it's worth asking one simple question, what are
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  Speaker 7: you actually signing up for? Politics is about choices. One
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  Speaker 7: Nation are trying to make you angry to get your folks.
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  Speaker 7: But before you fall for their cheap trick, it's worth
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  Speaker 7: asking the question, are their policies going to make your
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  Speaker 7: future bigger or smaller?
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  Speaker 3: I mean that's you know that Citisen music in the background,
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  Speaker 3: the boogiey Man.
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  Speaker 6: You'd think it was like that thing they when you
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  Speaker 6: bar a DVD.
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  Speaker 3: Then nobody bars a DVD anymore, but you'll remember what
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  Speaker 3: I'm talking about. You put a DVD in the player
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  Speaker 3: to play a movie, and.
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  Speaker 6: It was like that.
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  Speaker 3: You wouldn't steal a car, you wouldn't steal a handbag,
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  Speaker 3: so why would you steal a film?
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  Speaker 6: That's how they talk you on One Nation.
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  Speaker 2: On that video, he talks about how one Nation going
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  Speaker 2: to scrapnet zero. And as he says that, they've got
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  Speaker 2: the young man sitting there and these dark clouds.
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  Speaker 1: Come over him and the whole screen goes dark.
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  Speaker 2: It reminds me of when Labor were campaigning against nuclear
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  Speaker 2: power at the last election and there were three headed fish,
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  Speaker 2: and it's Labour always resort to this ridiculous characterture of
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  Speaker 2: every issue. If I was Pauling Hanson, I would take
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  Speaker 2: that video and just add on the end of it
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  Speaker 2: Pauling Hanson.
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  Speaker 1: Endorses this video. Well, we know, scrapnet zero, get rid
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  Speaker 1: of reduced migration. It's pretty good advertisement. Actually it's great.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, we know that the scare tactics don't work.
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  Speaker 5: In fact, they emboldened Pauline hansoon more and look at.
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  Speaker 4: The polls, look at the results.
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  Speaker 5: We just showed you the state of play, and I
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  Speaker 5: actually think that the weekends the result vindicates Pauline Hanson
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  Speaker 5: because it goes to show that everything that she is
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  Speaker 5: campaigning on, the mandate to which she was elected to
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  Speaker 5: the parliament back in the nineties is working. Mass migration,
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  Speaker 5: who we're bringing into this country, our values, the woke
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  Speaker 5: green dream, wokism, dei policies, I mean, everything that she
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  Speaker 5: has been talking about.
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  Speaker 4: She has been vindicated in this.
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  Speaker 5: I'll also point out, though the Liberals, as you mentioned,
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  Speaker 5: four seats better than the expected zero, that there was
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  Speaker 5: one point where they thought that they could have gotten zero.
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  Speaker 4: So a better result overall.
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  Speaker 5: But I think another lesson here for the Liberal Party
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  Speaker 5: and it will be interesting to see if this result
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  Speaker 5: is replicated in Victoria. I'm going to talk about Victoria soon,
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  Speaker 5: but it'll be interesting to see that.
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  Speaker 4: But right now, one nation look out.
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  Speaker 5: So forget the Liberal Party and the Labor Party that
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  Speaker 5: keep bagging out Pauline Hanson. She's basically saying to the
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  Speaker 5: lot of you, hey, I was right from the very beginning,
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  Speaker 5: and you're wrong and good honor.
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  Speaker 2: And the proof is, as you said, Caleb, that the
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  Speaker 2: South Australian Eremier delivered most of his remarks to One
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  Speaker 2: Nation in his victory speech.
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  Speaker 1: That's a backhanded compliment.
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  Speaker 2: The Prime Minister went to Melbourne, addressed the Vietnamese community
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  Speaker 2: and made comments about the need for social cohesion and
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  Speaker 2: not going backwards in time, directed again towards One Nation.
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  Speaker 2: And now Andrew Lee with that video, by the way,
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  Speaker 2: I love where Andrew Lee says if you're a young
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  Speaker 2: man thinking about your future, If you're a young man,
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  Speaker 2: you're not watching videos by Andrew Lee?
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  Speaker 1: Are you?
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  Speaker 3: Who knows the algorithm that unfortunately pop them up for you?
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  Speaker 3: And we should be clear as well that some people
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  Speaker 3: will try to spin this as well. You know they're
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  Speaker 3: only going to get a handful of seats in the
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  Speaker 3: Lower House. You know Labors still romped at home, so
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  Speaker 3: who really cares.
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  Speaker 6: It's not a huge.
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  Speaker 3: Turnout for One Nation, but from a primary vote of
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  Speaker 3: twenty two and a half odd percent in a preferential
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  Speaker 3: voting system, when you've got a split vote between the
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  Speaker 3: Libs and One Nation, when if you put the Libs
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  Speaker 3: in one nation together you've got a much higher primary
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  Speaker 3: than the Labor Party pull. But when you've got a
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  Speaker 3: split vote, it becomes hard to actually win seats for
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  Speaker 3: a minor party to be able to a pull a
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  Speaker 3: primary vote of that kind and then converted into Lower
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  Speaker 3: House seats, which is unheard of in South Australia. You've
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  Speaker 3: had independence in South Australia, but this is unheard of.
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  Speaker 3: The Greens haven't been able to do it. One nation
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  Speaker 3: has managed to do it. What they pulled off on
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  Speaker 3: the weekend, although it hasn't necessarily translated to becoming the
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  Speaker 3: opposition or masses of seats, was an extraordinary feat and
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  Speaker 3: it sets the groundwork for what they now have to
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  Speaker 3: do across the rest of the country. It has now
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  Speaker 3: been proven that a party that emanates from Queensland, as
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  Speaker 3: the premiere was at pains to tell us last week,
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  Speaker 3: you know, save travels back to Queensland. Pauline has been
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  Speaker 3: able to take that message and sell it into South Australia,
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  Speaker 3: which is a very different place. And if they can
• 15:59
  Speaker 3: do that, guys the limit.
• 16:00
  Speaker 5: Yeah, look absolutely, and I just think that right now,
• 16:04
  Speaker 5: I think that Pauline Hanson as I said, she's always
• 16:07
  Speaker 5: had the message. The message has always been there, but
• 16:09
  Speaker 5: now we're seeing Australia catch up and it has been
• 16:12
  Speaker 5: because of events, and I would say since October seven,
• 16:14
  Speaker 5: twenty twenty three, where our social cohesion has fractured and
• 16:18
  Speaker 5: the message has been clear from Pauline Hanson from day one,
• 16:22
  Speaker 5: that's for sure. So look out, Victoria, Let's see what
• 16:24
  Speaker 5: happens there. Let's go over to the UK. Now, look,
• 16:27
  Speaker 5: please spare a thought for the snowflakes over at the
• 16:31
  Speaker 5: Leeds Council because they've been offered counseling. Now you might
• 16:34
  Speaker 5: be wondering why would they be offered counseling. Are they
• 16:37
  Speaker 5: being bullied? No?
• 16:38
  Speaker 4: Did somebody die?
• 16:40
  Speaker 5: No? No, none of that. Actually it's because Nigel Farage
• 16:46
  Speaker 5: is visiting their city. Yes, you heard it correctly. Staff
• 16:50
  Speaker 5: at the local council have been offered a safe space
• 16:54
  Speaker 5: to talk if they're upset that the Reform UK leader
• 16:57
  Speaker 5: will be coming to Leeds on Tuesday ahead of tomorrow's
• 17:00
  Speaker 5: local election campaign event. Now, the details emerged in an
• 17:04
  Speaker 5: email to staff from its HR chief. His name is
• 17:08
  Speaker 5: John Ebo. Let's bring that up. This is what he wrote,
• 17:12
  Speaker 5: No doubt you will have picked up in the news
• 17:14
  Speaker 5: that Nigel Farage and Reform are holding an event slash rally.
• 17:19
  Speaker 5: I am mindful of such events impact on colleagues and
• 17:22
  Speaker 5: would ask that we enable safe space conversations for colleagues,
• 17:26
  Speaker 5: such as the Wellbeing Network chats. Be vigilant if you
• 17:29
  Speaker 5: are in this city center on this day, be vigilant,
• 17:34
  Speaker 5: Be vigilant from what from whom.
• 17:37
  Speaker 6: You see someone see something something.
• 17:40
  Speaker 5: It's exactly like the Labor Party video of Andrew Lee.
• 17:44
  Speaker 5: So what I'll say is my sincere thoughts and prayers
• 17:47
  Speaker 5: go to the Leeds Council ahead of what will be
• 17:49
  Speaker 5: a very very unnerving event for them. And may I
• 17:53
  Speaker 5: just say, if this is the response now to a
• 17:56
  Speaker 5: local council matter, well can you imagine it the upcoming
• 18:00
  Speaker 5: general election because Nigel Farage right now over there is
• 18:03
  Speaker 5: on track to possibly become the next Prime minister. So
• 18:06
  Speaker 5: here would be my advice to the snowflakes of the council.
• 18:10
  Speaker 5: Maybe now you should start stocking up on valium ahead
• 18:14
  Speaker 5: of the general election because you might need it to
• 18:16
  Speaker 5: get you through.
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: So does the Leeds Council provide a safe space? You know,
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: every time there's a pro Palestinian rally or a Greens convention.
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: As for people in Leeds needing counseling because Farage is
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: coming to town. The rest of the UK needs counseling
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: because Starma is in number ten or that's the biggest problem.
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: But you said why would they need counseling.
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: There is a serious point to this because some people
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: will indeed need counseling. I'm looking at you laugh here
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: where I'm going. No, there's there's a syndrome. It's called
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: crisis brought on by accidental agreement. And I think that's
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: the problem that they're worried. Some leads council members might
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: hear Faras say something and think, oh, that actually sounds right.
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: Well it could be true, and those people immediately immediately
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: need counseling so that their existential crisis can be arrested
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: and they stay as leftist progress games.
• 19:04
  Speaker 4: Be vigilance, please, you.
• 19:06
  Speaker 3: Don't want truth ideologies total be alert, not alarmed. You said, Deneka,
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: they should stock up on valium. I think they need
• 19:15
  Speaker 3: to stock up on cement mix so they can have
• 19:17
  Speaker 3: a spoonful of cement and hard in the air up.
• 19:19
  Speaker 3: I mean, for goodness sake, get over yourselves. You're not
• 19:23
  Speaker 3: the most important person in the world if you can't
• 19:26
  Speaker 3: hack a politician coming to town. And what are they
• 19:29
  Speaker 3: going to do in South Australia now with One Nation
• 19:31
  Speaker 3: members down there.
• 19:32
  Speaker 6: Heck they're going to have.
• 19:33
  Speaker 3: To start handing out the spoonful of cement and counseling
• 19:36
  Speaker 3: for people at Parliament ourse do That's.
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: That's the crazy thing about this thing, right, is that
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: Faraj isn't speaking to staff at Leeds Council. He's not
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: saying things which are going to address or change anything
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: in Leeds. It's the mere fact he's in the city
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: is cause enough for them to need safe space.
• 19:56
  Speaker 4: Well, they've developed a phobia met phobia metter.
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: If Trump came to town, oh, they pass out.
• 20:01
  Speaker 5: They would never cope that they checked themselves in. I
• 20:04
  Speaker 5: would never cope with this though.
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: Actually, to be fair to Leeds counsel and I think
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: they took a leaf out of Queensland's book because remember
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: after the Voice referendum, the Queensland Public Service offered five
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: days of leave to public servants if they were aggrieved
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: by the result of the Voice referendum, paid leave by
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: the way, So you know that they're just taking a
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: leaf out of the Australian book. They've looked to us
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: and gone, there's the world's standard. If you're political decisions,
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: you can have time off and.
• 20:37
  Speaker 6: A safe suppose to go and talk about the fact
• 20:39
  Speaker 6: that your feeling.
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: There was a corporation I think it was in Queensland
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: they offered their staff yarning circles after the failed referendum,
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: where you could sit in a circle for quote unquote.
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: I don't think it was nitting. I think yarning. It's
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: in indigenous culture, it's chatting. But the point was so.
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: That they could experience quote unquote healing from the referendum result.
• 21:00
  Speaker 5: Well, so you know, Caleb and I haven't reached that
• 21:03
  Speaker 5: point with you around James yet. We're not sitting at
• 21:05
  Speaker 5: a circle holding hands at this point, aren't we are?
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: All right, We've got some breaking news on the war
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: in Iran. Donald Trump's forty eight hour ultimatum with Iran
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: was going to expire tomorrow morning. Well, in the last
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: few moments, Donald Trump has just posted this on truth
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: Social He's written, I'm pleased to report that the United
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: States of America and the country of Iran have had
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: over the last two days very good and productive conversations
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: regarding a complete and total resolution of our hostilities in
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: the Middle East. Based on the tenor and tone of
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: these in depth, detailed and constructive conversations, which will continue
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: throughout the week, I've instructed the Department of War to
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: post bone any and all military strikes against Iran power
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: plants and energy infrastructure for a five day period, subject
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: to the success of the ongoing meeting and discussions. Thank
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: you for your attention to this matter, President Donald J.
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: Trump. So there you go.
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: That's breaking right now. That's some good news to Nika Well.
• 22:10
  Speaker 5: I mean, look, in the end, Donald Trump was winning
• 22:12
  Speaker 5: this war. He's been in charge. He has literally given
• 22:15
  Speaker 5: Iran the ultimatum. I mean, he obviously knows that if
• 22:20
  Speaker 5: Iran is going to call his bluff.
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: We don't know yet.
• 22:23
  Speaker 5: You can't trust the Iranian regime, but clearly Iran's gone.
• 22:26
  Speaker 5: We are running out of options, and we're running.
• 22:28
  Speaker 4: Out very quickly. Which makes me wonder.
• 22:30
  Speaker 5: I mean, could we possibly be seeing an end to
• 22:33
  Speaker 5: the war at some point soon? Is it closing in?
• 22:36
  Speaker 5: Is it nearing an end earlier than had expected. I'm
• 22:39
  Speaker 5: not surprised to hear this. I think that Donald Trump's
• 22:41
  Speaker 5: got a run, fair and square.
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: Need to emphasize this doesn't mean that the US and
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: Israel not still striking Iran. This deal related specifically to
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: the straight for moos and so that was the deal.
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: So the war continues, but perhaps ships will be allowed through,
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: which would be great news for everybody, not le those
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: of US driving vehicles.
• 23:02
  Speaker 3: And of course Irun sort of threatened black for like
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: if the US and Israel went after their energy plants,
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: they were going to do the same to the other
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: hour of nations that we are aligned with the UAE
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: buying all this sort of thing as well. So it's
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: a positive development, I suppose. I'll believe it when I
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: see it. We well know that in the Middle East
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: there are promises made and very few promises kept in
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: many cases. But we'll see how it develops over the
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: next five days. I also appreciate how Donald Trump always
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: puts these things out in all caps, as though you
• 23:36
  Speaker 3: didn't already realize what was going on. It drives the
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: message home, I suppose. But look again, Donald Trump is
• 23:43
  Speaker 3: a man who well understands that this war cannot go
• 23:46
  Speaker 3: on forever.
• 23:47
  Speaker 6: If it goes on forever.
• 23:48
  Speaker 3: He will be heavily tarnished by it. Politically, it will
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: be bad for him. So it is in his interest
• 23:53
  Speaker 3: to get this done as soon as possible, and I'm
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: sure he will be doing everything possible to make sure
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: that that goal has achieved.
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: And just while we're chatting, our producers have just told
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: me the price of crude oil has gone down ten
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: percent since that announcement just moments ago.
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: So is it amazing. What's happening on the.
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: Other side just effects absolutely everything, absolutely, and nothing's changed
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: other than a stay of execution, as it were, and
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: hopefully that flows through to the Bowser fairly soon.
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: All right.
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: Caleb's favorite topic is horse racing. Caleb, I'm not sure
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: you're going to like what the British horse Racing Authority
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: have done. They've undertaken a three year DEI strategy to
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: make sure there's more diversity in horse racing and as
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: part of their strategy, they've interviewed different stakeholders within British
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: horse racing and one focus group and this was a
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: big focus group. They had all of twenty people in it.
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: One hundred percent of twenty participants said they had experienced
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: racism while participating in horse racing in the UK seventy
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: five percent. And this is where I checked out of
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: this study. To be honest, seventy five percent of people
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: said they had experienced microaggressions and unequal treatment. So they
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: have released these details as part of their commitment to
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: cleaning up racism within the horse racing industry. They gave
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: examples of racism within the industry as certain managers lacking
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: patients with people who spoke English as a second language.
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: That was an example of rampant racism within the racing industry.
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: Another problem was that only twenty five percent of jockeys
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: were women. Funny how they're not upset that most jockeys
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: are five foot two rather than five.
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: Foot ten would be more representative. So I don't know.
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: First of all, why do you need diversity, equity and
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: inclusion within horse racing. Second of all, why do you
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: have to make these things public. It's amazing that British
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: horse racing authority would make public their dirty linen. We've
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: found racism within our industry, let's tell everybody about it.
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: It seems to me very much like virtue signaling rather
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: than a commitment to actually do anything serious.
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: When you said you're not going to be happy what
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: the British horse Racing Authority has done with racing in
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: the UK. I thought you're about to tell with their
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: band jumps racing. So I am somewhat of time somewhat
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: relieved to hear that this is the worst they can do.
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: But I mean, for goodness sake, what is it with
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: sporting organizations continually trying to dig up this stuff to
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: make themselves look bad.
• 26:28
  Speaker 6: I mean Collingwood.
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: Football Club did it years ago and produce this report
• 26:33
  Speaker 3: about all this alleged racism that had gone on within
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: the club. You know, if you think there are problems
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: going on, go and deal with them quietly, right, You
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: don't need to go through this self flagellation process. We
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: go and pay someone to produce a report and then
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: you put.
• 26:46
  Speaker 6: It out publicly and you say.
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: Look how bad we've been, so now we can say
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: how well we are doing to fix it all up.
• 26:54
  Speaker 6: Same thing over at Hawthorne.
• 26:56
  Speaker 3: Your mate Clarko got dragged through Chris Fagan at Brisbane
• 27:00
  Speaker 3: who's since won two premierships, and good on him drag
• 27:03
  Speaker 3: through the mud for all these since discredited claims about
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: racism that they had been involved in.
• 27:08
  Speaker 6: At the Hawthorne Football Club. On and on it goes.
• 27:11
  Speaker 3: It's almost as though they want to find these things
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: so they can then virtue signal about how well they're
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: doing to fix it. But if the British horse racing
• 27:22
  Speaker 3: Authority is doing all this, I must say I'm very
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: much looking forward to the governing body over in Hong
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: Kong where they have horse racing, complaining that there aren't
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: enough white jockeys riding at Chatin and Happy Valley, and
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: the same in Japan, where they also happen to have
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: the richest jumps race in the world. I'm sure over
• 27:40
  Speaker 3: there they'll be doing a report into their racing industry
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: and coming back and saying, you know what, we don't
• 27:46
  Speaker 3: have enough white jockeys in this country right now.
• 27:49
  Speaker 6: We must do something.
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: About it, because that's all in the name of diversity,
• 27:53
  Speaker 3: is it not?
• 27:53
  Speaker 4: Well exactly? You know.
• 27:54
  Speaker 5: It just reminds me of the boy who cried wolf right,
• 27:57
  Speaker 5: because when you cry racism one too many times, nobody
• 28:01
  Speaker 5: actually comes knocking when genuine racism occurs, and I like
• 28:06
  Speaker 5: to give people the benefit of the doubt. I think,
• 28:07
  Speaker 5: you know, when something is racist or when something is
• 28:10
  Speaker 5: often and you like to think that people do call
• 28:13
  Speaker 5: it out. You don't need a how to manual, You
• 28:15
  Speaker 5: just certainly don't need this research. This is called the
• 28:18
  Speaker 5: all in race program. You don't need a dummy's guide.
• 28:21
  Speaker 4: You call it out.
• 28:22
  Speaker 5: And a lot of companies actually have very good HR
• 28:25
  Speaker 5: policies in place for racism as it is. And I'm
• 28:27
  Speaker 5: sure Caleb, they would in the horse racing industry. Surely
• 28:30
  Speaker 5: they would have good policies for these them.
• 28:32
  Speaker 6: You could find any week.
• 28:34
  Speaker 4: But this is a thing. But this is the thing.
• 28:36
  Speaker 5: And the other thing is it was a three year equality,
• 28:38
  Speaker 5: diversity and inclusion strategy. Di do we know how well
• 28:42
  Speaker 5: DEI goes?
• 28:43
  Speaker 4: DEI never works. DEI always fails.
• 28:46
  Speaker 5: Every time I think of DEI, it reminds me of
• 28:48
  Speaker 5: the Secret Service when Donald Trump was shot at and
• 28:51
  Speaker 5: that was a disaster. That is an example of how
• 28:53
  Speaker 5: DEI fails. So in terms of this, come on, I.
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: Thought when they would do it like inclusion in the
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: British horse racing industry, I thought would be like Shetland ponies.
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: As a job, I would watch that die.
• 29:06
  Speaker 6: But what is a microaggression, by the.
• 29:07
  Speaker 5: Way, Well, what I say is it when you're aggressive
• 29:10
  Speaker 5: towards somebody, but only.
• 29:12
  Speaker 4: In a teeny teeny teeny tiny way.
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: So when racism didn't actually happen, but you want to
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: cry racism, so you imagine that something that meant nothing
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: actually means.
• 29:21
  Speaker 4: Something imaginary racism.
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, which is actually more damaging than I.
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: Agree seventy five percent of people in this twenty person
• 29:29
  Speaker 3: focus group of Senate. So isn't that good? While we're
• 29:32
  Speaker 3: talking about matters of race and sport. A really interesting
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: article today in the Sydney Morning Herald by Neil Breen
• 29:39
  Speaker 3: talking about the fact that the NRL Rugby League has
• 29:43
  Speaker 3: now become exceedingly multicultural. In fact, to the point now
• 29:48
  Speaker 3: we're fifty one percent of players in the NRL from
• 29:54
  Speaker 3: the Pacific Island nations of some description, whereas over in
• 29:59
  Speaker 3: the AFL they are getting whiter. Apparently, if you look
• 30:03
  Speaker 3: at the numbers that the AFL has been collecting over
• 30:06
  Speaker 3: the last few years, at the moment only fourteen percent
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: of players in the AFL are deemed to be multicultural,
• 30:13
  Speaker 3: and that means that they have a parent who was
• 30:15
  Speaker 3: born overseas or they with themselves born overseas. And of
• 30:19
  Speaker 3: course the AFL, which has had a long term representation
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: of Indigenous players, a proud heritage of Indigenous players who
• 30:27
  Speaker 3: happen to be historically some of the best in the AFL.
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: They now only have sixty two listed Indigenous players, which
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: is seven and a half percent of the playing group.
• 30:38
  Speaker 6: That is a twenty year low.
• 30:41
  Speaker 3: And one of the things that Neil Breen wrote about
• 30:44
  Speaker 3: is that the AFL over all the sport, I should
• 30:48
  Speaker 3: say not the AFL, which is the governing body Aussie rules,
• 30:51
  Speaker 3: over the last decade or so in particular, has become
• 30:56
  Speaker 3: very much driven by private schools. And now you've got
• 30:59
  Speaker 3: these schools that are investing a lot of money in
• 31:02
  Speaker 3: setting up programs to get kids who are good at
• 31:04
  Speaker 3: football to come and study at their school. They have
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: a football program for them, and then they set them
• 31:10
  Speaker 3: up to go off to the AFL draft. It's a
• 31:14
  Speaker 3: mark of prestige for the schools to pick up these
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: kids and get them into the AFL. Something like seventy
• 31:19
  Speaker 3: percent of AFL players now have a private education, which
• 31:24
  Speaker 3: is maybe to some degree locking out these young Indigenous
• 31:29
  Speaker 3: fellas out in communities or whatever who simply don't get
• 31:32
  Speaker 3: found anymore. And clubs are perhaps less willing to touch
• 31:37
  Speaker 3: than they otherwise would have been, because they're getting these
• 31:40
  Speaker 3: boys who have been trained up prim and proper at
• 31:42
  Speaker 3: a private school to come and play at an AFL club.
• 31:44
  Speaker 6: They're at an AFL club before they've even walked.
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: Through the door.
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: I found this report really interesting on a couple of levels. Firstly,
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: he compares the NRL with the AFL, and the inference
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: is the NRL is good because it's becoming less white,
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: AFL bad, it's becoming more white. Well, why is one
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: a problem and the other not a problem? I find
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: that interesting. Second, he says that there's a lot of
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: Africans who aren't playing AFL, very few.
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: Well, that's because they're.
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: All playing basketball in Melbourne, because Africans typically are brilliant
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: at basketball and have probably got a better physique for basketball.
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: Than for AFL.
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: I know that because I've got a couple of African kids.
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: You mentioned seven point five percent of AFL lists are
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: indigenous players. Well, what's the national percentage of indigenous people.
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: It's about three point two percent according to the twenty
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: twenty one census, So you could argue Indigenous people are
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: overrepresented in AFL. I just find the way that these
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: arguments are constructed to always be very interesting. But to
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: the central point, do we want more indigenous players in
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: the AFL. Well, we all love watching AFL and we
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: sat before this program talking about our favorite indigenous players
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: and immediately we knew who they were because they're absolutely
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: brilliant at AFL. I guess it just means they're drafting
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: staff need to travel a lot further. Go to the
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: Northern territory particularly and find some of these kids who
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: don't go to Kerry Baptist Grammar School or you know,
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: to Melbourne Grammar or whatever, and who otherwise might not
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: be found.
• 33:18
  Speaker 4: Yeah, go out to.
• 33:19
  Speaker 5: These remote communities where a number of these kids are.
• 33:22
  Speaker 5: But just to pick you up on that African comment
• 33:24
  Speaker 5: that you made, there's actually been an increase in the
• 33:26
  Speaker 5: number of African players, it says, but there's only an
• 33:28
  Speaker 5: average of about one per club.
• 33:31
  Speaker 4: So there has been look at, sorry to cut you off, no, no, no.
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: Well, if you go and look at basketball competitions in Melbourne.
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: My son Son's played in national championships, I'll tell you
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: what teams were stacked, especially Victorian teams with African kids.
• 33:46
  Speaker 5: And actually so I mean, but the evidence, according to
• 33:48
  Speaker 5: this is that there has been an increase in the
• 33:49
  Speaker 5: number of African players. But my argument is is that
• 33:54
  Speaker 5: as a fan, you know, I just look at it
• 33:56
  Speaker 5: and go I couldn't care less what color these players are.
• 33:59
  Speaker 5: I don't care if are they the best for the club?
• 34:01
  Speaker 5: Have they been drafted at the right level, are they
• 34:03
  Speaker 5: the most elite of their age group, of the level
• 34:08
  Speaker 5: that they're in. That's all that I care about. I
• 34:10
  Speaker 5: don't care if they're white, they're black, they're indigenous, I
• 34:12
  Speaker 5: honestly do not care. Why does everything always come down
• 34:16
  Speaker 5: to race again and again?
• 34:18
  Speaker 4: It's tiresome.
• 34:20
  Speaker 5: As a punter, you watch your team, you cheer them on,
• 34:23
  Speaker 5: you don't care what color they are. I'm not sitting
• 34:25
  Speaker 5: there going, oh, well he kicked the goalies aboraginal. I
• 34:27
  Speaker 5: don't care, for goodness sake, That's how I look at it.
• 34:30
  Speaker 5: And I think that we've got to stop pandering over
• 34:33
  Speaker 5: the most minute details all the time, because it's becoming
• 34:36
  Speaker 5: a joke. It's taking the focus of what actually is
• 34:39
  Speaker 5: a really great game. Well, they love their AFL in Victoria,
• 34:43
  Speaker 5: but they don't quite like the Allen government.
• 34:46
  Speaker 4: No surprises there.
• 34:47
  Speaker 5: In fact, more and more Victorians are now getting fed
• 34:50
  Speaker 5: up with Jacenta Allen and the Labor Party so much
• 34:53
  Speaker 5: so that would you believe one third of Victorians are
• 34:56
  Speaker 5: now considering leaving the state.
• 34:58
  Speaker 4: But god knows why they keep voting them in.
• 35:00
  Speaker 5: Now this pole have a look at this, as found
• 35:02
  Speaker 5: fifty percent of Victorians said they felt mostly or completely
• 35:05
  Speaker 5: unheard by the government. Thirty six percent, as you can
• 35:08
  Speaker 5: see on the screen, they're considering a move over state.
• 35:11
  Speaker 5: Twenty nine percent, though, who said that they feel completely
• 35:14
  Speaker 5: unheard by the government were from regional Victoria.
• 35:17
  Speaker 4: Unsurprising there.
• 35:18
  Speaker 5: We've seen a lot of renewables projects going in and
• 35:22
  Speaker 5: as you know, farmers are actually being fined if they
• 35:24
  Speaker 5: don't let transmission workers onto their land there. But older
• 35:27
  Speaker 5: Victorians were also found to be the least proud of
• 35:30
  Speaker 5: the state.
• 35:31
  Speaker 4: Twenty three percent of Victorians.
• 35:33
  Speaker 5: Age fifty five are over would vote Labor at the
• 35:35
  Speaker 5: next election, thirty three percent for the coalition, twenty nine
• 35:38
  Speaker 5: percent for one Nation. But this statistic here really stump me.
• 35:41
  Speaker 5: The most Labor holds a convincing lead over the Coalition
• 35:45
  Speaker 5: in all other age groups. So this is what I
• 35:48
  Speaker 5: don't understand. It's okay to be fed up with labor.
• 35:51
  Speaker 5: It's okay to say, well, we want to boot them
• 35:52
  Speaker 5: out of the state, but still the majority are wanting
• 35:56
  Speaker 5: to vote labor in, which is baffling to me when
• 35:58
  Speaker 5: you've got Justinto Allen presiding over a cost of living crisis,
• 36:02
  Speaker 5: a youth crime crisis, scandal after scandal.
• 36:04
  Speaker 4: Like the CFMEU.
• 36:05
  Speaker 5: She's absolutely dogging the taxpayer with the debt levee. The
• 36:09
  Speaker 5: COVID levee debt is out of control, So why are
• 36:13
  Speaker 5: Victorians still voting them in? And it also goes to
• 36:16
  Speaker 5: suggest in this poll then, and I think this is
• 36:19
  Speaker 5: a big reed that the Liberal Party maybe you're not
• 36:21
  Speaker 5: having as big as an impact that they should be
• 36:24
  Speaker 5: right now if labor is still holding.
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: At the raise a really interesting point, right if something
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: like two point five million Victorians want to leave, Incidentally,
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: that's crazy. You don't need two point five million Victorians
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: to leave, you just need one then the.
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: Whole issue would be sorted.
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: But if two point five million Victorians who keep voting
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: in a labor government or want to move to New
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: South Wales or Queensland, did New South Washman or Queenslanders
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: want these people, well, we.
• 36:48
  Speaker 4: Don't have room at the moment.
• 36:49
  Speaker 5: Okay, we're pretty chocolate blockover in New South Wales. We
• 36:53
  Speaker 5: can't get onary Sydney side. Its into houses, so I
• 36:56
  Speaker 5: don't know where do you go.
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: That I found interesting was that particularly older Victorian so
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: they have little or no pride in Victoria anymore. And
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: only seventeen percent total of those surveys said they were
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: proud of Victoria.
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: I grew up in Victoria. I loved Melbourne when I
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: grew up there. I like visiting these days. I also
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: appreciate the fact that I.
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: Don't have to pay taxes there, or try and commute
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: to there, or buy property there. So it's sad that
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: so many people who used to love the state now
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: want to get out.
• 37:25
  Speaker 3: And it's a parochial place as well. And I've lived there.
• 37:28
  Speaker 3: You grew up there, I've lived there. A Melbourne is
• 37:31
  Speaker 3: a parochial town. Victoria is a parochial state. And when
• 37:34
  Speaker 3: you have that many people not being able to identify
• 37:38
  Speaker 3: with the fact that they are proud of their state,
• 37:41
  Speaker 3: you have a serious problem. And it's really hard to
• 37:44
  Speaker 3: actually build a state back to what it should be
• 37:47
  Speaker 3: if you can't have a level of pride in it.
• 37:50
  Speaker 3: A large part of what has made the Malanawskis government
• 37:52
  Speaker 3: so successful in South Australia, which was affirmed over the weekend,
• 37:56
  Speaker 3: is that he supercharged the way people feel about Southastlustralia.
• 38:00
  Speaker 3: The people in Essay now going, Yes, we're a nation
• 38:03
  Speaker 3: leading state.
• 38:04
  Speaker 6: We're proud of where we live. We're getting things.
• 38:07
  Speaker 3: Done and once you're over that hurdle, the rest becomes
• 38:10
  Speaker 3: much easier. That's what any government in Victoria needs to
• 38:13
  Speaker 3: tackle if it actually wants to change.
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: Really good point.
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: All right, we're going to go to a break when
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: we come back. The federal government considering a brand new
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: tax for road users. That's coming up when we look
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: at the papers after this. Okay, welcome back to the program.
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: Let's look at what's making headlines tomorrow and Caleb, the
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: government considering a brand new tax.
• 38:36
  Speaker 3: Indeed, it says on the front of the Odds Treasury
• 38:39
  Speaker 3: leak officials modeling national ev tax for Charmers exclusive from
• 38:44
  Speaker 3: Matthew Cranston. Treasury is modeling a national road user charge
• 38:47
  Speaker 3: is part of its work on a sweeping tax package
• 38:50
  Speaker 3: that Jim Charmers will take to Anthony Alberanisi in the
• 38:52
  Speaker 3: Labor Cabinet in a move that could bolster revenues and
• 38:55
  Speaker 3: take advantage of rising demand in electric vehicles driven by
• 38:59
  Speaker 3: the Iran War oil price shock. If the Treasurer ends
• 39:02
  Speaker 3: up adopting a road user charge, one of the biggest
• 39:05
  Speaker 3: economic reforms to come out of the Alban Eazy government,
• 39:08
  Speaker 3: and would involve substantial legal, administrative, enforcement, and monitoring work
• 39:13
  Speaker 3: across federal and state governments. The road user charge modeling
• 39:16
  Speaker 3: revelation comes after Doctor Chalmers promised an ambitious budget of
• 39:21
  Speaker 3: reform so effectively you would have to pay per kilometer
• 39:25
  Speaker 3: you drive on the road, as opposed to what people
• 39:27
  Speaker 3: are currently doing, which is paying a fuel excise, because
• 39:30
  Speaker 3: if you've got an EV you're not paying any tax effectively.
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: I don't know how I feel about this. You're paying
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: so much already. Does this mean the fuel excise goes?
• 39:40
  Speaker 5: Well?
• 39:40
  Speaker 6: Who knows?
• 39:41
  Speaker 3: And this would be the thing, right, Do you dump
• 39:43
  Speaker 3: the fuel excise? Now everyone pays the road user charge?
• 39:47
  Speaker 3: Do you have a road user charge that is specifically
• 39:50
  Speaker 3: for electric vehicles? You know what is the fairest way
• 39:54
  Speaker 3: of doing it? You'll then have to levy a different
• 39:56
  Speaker 3: one for heavier vehicles, presumably appeared to other cars. I mean,
• 40:01
  Speaker 3: electric vehicles are heavier than a normal petrol car, right,
• 40:04
  Speaker 3: so they create more wear and tear on the road.
• 40:07
  Speaker 3: So do they have to pay a higher charge?
• 40:09
  Speaker 6: I don't know. On and on it goes.
• 40:10
  Speaker 5: I guess if you can't keep up with what labor
• 40:12
  Speaker 5: wants you to do it First they want you to
• 40:14
  Speaker 5: they want you to have an EVA. They're desperate for
• 40:16
  Speaker 5: the green dream. And next butt they might slug you
• 40:18
  Speaker 5: for it.
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: I mean, what do they want exactly? All right?
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: Breaking news this evening on the war in Iran. Donald
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: Trump's forty eight hour ultimatum with Iran was going to
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: expire tomorrow morning, but in the last few moments, Trump
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: has posted this on social truth sorry on truth Social
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: He's pleased to report that the United States of America
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: and the country of Iran have had over the last
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: two days very good and productive conversations regarding a complete
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: and total resolution of our hostilities in the Middle East.
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: Based on the tenor and tone of these in depth,
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: detailed and constructive conversations, which will continue throughout the week,
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: I've instructed the Department of War to postpone any and
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: all military strikes against Iranian power plants and energy infrastructure
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: for a five day period subject to the success of
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: the ongoing meetings and discussions. Thanks for your attention, Donald Trump.
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: So let's go to our correspondent in Washington, Jonathan Kurzley. Jonathan,
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: thanks for joining us. What can you tell us about
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: these discussions? What do you suppose the Iranians have agreed to?
• 41:22
  Speaker 8: I think this is particularly interesting given that just a
• 41:25
  Speaker 8: matter of days ago President Trump was indicating outside the
• 41:28
  Speaker 8: White House that he did not know who they were
• 41:31
  Speaker 8: going to be dealing with inside the Iranian regime. Cutter
• 41:34
  Speaker 8: had been a mediator in these talks prior to this
• 41:37
  Speaker 8: conflict taking place, but we had seen after the strikes
• 41:40
  Speaker 8: on Rassler Farm, the significant lequal Fi natural gas export facility,
• 41:44
  Speaker 8: Cutter had essentially expelled military and security personnel from Iran
• 41:48
  Speaker 8: to clearing them persona non grata. So the fact that
• 41:51
  Speaker 8: you've had these what the President is describing as very
• 41:54
  Speaker 8: detailed and high level, clearly talks, it had been a
• 42:00
  Speaker 8: trying to avert what would have been a very significant
• 42:03
  Speaker 8: strike on Iran's infrastructure system. As you mentioned, that forty
• 42:07
  Speaker 8: eight hour timeline was you to expire in just a
• 42:10
  Speaker 8: matter of hours or so. Time, so it would have
• 42:13
  Speaker 8: been a big move from the President to target that
• 42:16
  Speaker 8: energy infrastructure. Remember the oil pipelines on carg Island. They
• 42:21
  Speaker 8: still remain intact as well. So Rayan had warned that
• 42:25
  Speaker 8: they would hit back with some force if the United
• 42:27
  Speaker 8: States went after its energy infrastructure. But this is essentially
• 42:31
  Speaker 8: what the President had indicated a few days ago would
• 42:34
  Speaker 8: not happen, And that is some sort of a cease fire,
• 42:36
  Speaker 8: at least on the American part. He's hitting the pause
• 42:39
  Speaker 8: button in the hope that there can be something to
• 42:42
  Speaker 8: come out of the conversations that clearly have been taking place.
• 42:46
  Speaker 3: As you say, Jonathan, Iran had promised to hit back
• 42:49
  Speaker 3: just as hard if they were hitting this circumstance against
• 42:52
  Speaker 3: their energy infrastructure. Should we read into this that perhaps
• 42:56
  Speaker 3: Iran is not as well equipped to do that or
• 42:59
  Speaker 3: to deal with the fall out as they might have suggested.
• 43:04
  Speaker 8: I perhaps wonder whether it is an element of all
• 43:07
  Speaker 8: sides actually want to try and find some sort of
• 43:09
  Speaker 8: end to this conflict. I want to say all sides
• 43:10
  Speaker 8: of the United States and Iran. I mean President Trump
• 43:12
  Speaker 8: has signaled an off ramp in his conflict with Iran
• 43:17
  Speaker 8: about twenty four hours before he said he was giving
• 43:20
  Speaker 8: them forty eight hours before targeting their energy infrastructure. He'd
• 43:24
  Speaker 8: signaled that there could be some sort of military exit,
• 43:26
  Speaker 8: that their goals militarily had been achieved. There wasn't any
• 43:31
  Speaker 8: talk of regime change in that statement. And clearly Iran
• 43:35
  Speaker 8: has been battered, with its navy decimated, its air force
• 43:41
  Speaker 8: also struck, and its capability of developing ballistic missiles, all
• 43:46
  Speaker 8: those stocks analysts are saying could well start to be
• 43:50
  Speaker 8: running low, so their own ability to launch strikes, even
• 43:54
  Speaker 8: though they have been saying they're about to start an
• 43:56
  Speaker 8: offensive element of their campaign, while that might might be
• 44:00
  Speaker 8: short lived. I think what you're seeing here is there
• 44:03
  Speaker 8: is an element that both the United States and Iran
• 44:06
  Speaker 8: want this to try and end. But the real picture
• 44:09
  Speaker 8: in all of this is going to be once this
• 44:11
  Speaker 8: conflict does end, and if it is soon, as we
• 44:14
  Speaker 8: were told it would be from the outset, then what
• 44:18
  Speaker 8: does Iran look like on day one? What is Iran
• 44:22
  Speaker 8: still with a regime, still with a harmony in position
• 44:27
  Speaker 8: of power? What does that country look like? And what's
• 44:30
  Speaker 8: actually changed from the United States and Israel's military campaign perspective.
• 44:35
  Speaker 8: So look, yes, this is a significant breakthrough that the
• 44:39
  Speaker 8: President is saying that there has been some sort of
• 44:42
  Speaker 8: development in these conversations. Any sort of conversation during conflict
• 44:46
  Speaker 8: to try and bring it to an end is a
• 44:48
  Speaker 8: good idea, and I think that's what we're seeing here.
• 44:51
  Speaker 8: But whether or not that five day timeline is going
• 44:53
  Speaker 8: to stick. We've sent a forty eight hour timeline. Now
• 44:55
  Speaker 8: we're seeing a five day timeline. As the clock winds down,
• 44:59
  Speaker 8: it will be what's next? And is this still an
• 45:02
  Speaker 8: off ramp that the president is actually looking at?
• 45:05
  Speaker 5: Well, you mentioned, Jonathan that the US and ARAM were
• 45:07
  Speaker 5: both looking for some sort of a resolution in this conflict.
• 45:11
  Speaker 5: I mean, there's a lot riding on the president here.
• 45:15
  Speaker 5: How important was him was it for him to now
• 45:17
  Speaker 5: engage in this sort of dialogue given the mixed response
• 45:20
  Speaker 5: to him even entering the war from the very beginning
• 45:23
  Speaker 5: from the United States?
• 45:26
  Speaker 8: I think we need to say where that dialogue is
• 45:29
  Speaker 8: taking place and between who is it still that we've
• 45:32
  Speaker 8: got Kataris involved as mediators and you've got mid level
• 45:36
  Speaker 8: conversations going back and forth. This idea of the Americans
• 45:41
  Speaker 8: have been trying to find out who to speak to
• 45:43
  Speaker 8: inside the Iranian regime for well a couple of weeks now. Anyway,
• 45:48
  Speaker 8: they were fairly firm of the view that Moshabahamony, the
• 45:51
  Speaker 8: son of Ayatola Ali Hamony and the new Supreme leader
• 45:54
  Speaker 8: of Iran, was disfigured. According to the Secretary of Warpete Hegserth,
• 46:00
  Speaker 8: I've been looking for figures inside the Uranian leadership to
• 46:03
  Speaker 8: try and to try and climb down from to try
• 46:06
  Speaker 8: and bring something of this conflict to an end, or
• 46:10
  Speaker 8: at least dial it right back, because the concern over
• 46:14
  Speaker 8: the global energy supplies and global energy prices has been significant.
• 46:19
  Speaker 8: I mean, you're looking at sustained periods of US of
• 46:22
  Speaker 8: oil above one hundred US dollars a barrel. You've seen
• 46:25
  Speaker 8: the International Energy Agency saying this is posing the greatest
• 46:28
  Speaker 8: threat to energy supply in the history of the world.
• 46:32
  Speaker 8: Markets will open here in the United States too, in
• 46:35
  Speaker 8: just a matter of an hour or two from now,
• 46:39
  Speaker 8: So this message from President Trump may well be directed
• 46:44
  Speaker 8: at those very markets. Try and drop the price of oil,
• 46:49
  Speaker 8: trying push up the price of domestic stocks and keep
• 46:53
  Speaker 8: the economy moving forward. Because if it is one thing
• 46:56
  Speaker 8: we know about President Trump, it is that he does
• 46:58
  Speaker 8: keep a very firm eye on what happens when it
• 47:01
  Speaker 8: comes to the US economy, and this may just be
• 47:03
  Speaker 8: another facet of that. However, he's reset the clock. It's
• 47:07
  Speaker 8: five days, it's five days in counting now.
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: Very interesting development. Jonathan Kurzley, thanks for joining us at
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: such short notice. We really appreciate it. All Right, we're
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: going to go to a break. When we come back,
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: Caleb has out of the day.
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: You don't want to miss it. That's next.
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: Welcome back to the program, donik it? Do people ever
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: say that you look like somebody else?
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: I do?
• 47:30
  Speaker 4: I get Eva Mendes, do you yeah?
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: There you go, there you go?
• 47:33
  Speaker 5: But no, let's talk about dopelgayers. Here's an absolute ripper.
• 47:36
  Speaker 5: I present to you, Palm Beach Pete, who looks like
• 47:40
  Speaker 5: are you ready? The late pedophile Jeffrey Epstein. Not great,
• 47:43
  Speaker 5: but here he is defending himself.
• 47:46
  Speaker 9: I want to thank everybody for the positive comments at
• 47:50
  Speaker 9: from saying I'm not Jeffrey Epstein. I'm just Palm Beach Pete.
• 47:54
  Speaker 9: Going to play some tennis today, going into town, have lunch.
• 47:59
  Speaker 9: No thing to do with Jeffrey Epstein. He's a very
• 48:02
  Speaker 9: bad person what he did, obviously, and he is dead
• 48:06
  Speaker 9: and I'm alive.
• 48:08
  Speaker 4: I like to disclaimer at the end. He is dead.
• 48:10
  Speaker 5: It's not me, he says, palm beach pete, who is
• 48:13
  Speaker 5: milking it for all it's worth put on him?
• 48:15
  Speaker 6: Oh dear, alright, it's time for.
• 48:22
  Speaker 3: The day and today's intrigue is a chap in Melbourne,
• 48:26
  Speaker 3: where else, the home of crime in this state allegedly
• 48:30
  Speaker 3: went in to hold up a bottle shop and then
• 48:32
  Speaker 3: he wanted his knife back.
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: Despite asking for his knife back, it appears he didn't
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: get it back.
• 48:53
  Speaker 3: I wrote that deserves Imagine having the gall the horse bar.
• 48:59
  Speaker 3: After a hold up a bottle shop and someone's taking
• 49:02
  Speaker 3: your knife off, you just say, oh, you give me then.
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: How are you gonna do the next robbery? If you
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: don't off your knife? Give it up?
• 49:08
  Speaker 6: Glorious, he's in the machine.
• 49:11
  Speaker 4: It's Victoria kitchen.
• 49:13
  Speaker 6: Knife back for goodness, that is too good.
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: Only was that in Victoria? Yes, only in Victoria?
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: All right, that's from us. Coming up next is the
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: Reader Penalty Show.
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: Good Night,