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How Embracing Vulnerability Leads to Extraordinary with Susan Wilcox · Let's Get Naked

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  SPEAKER_03: Hey everyone, I'm Anne.
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  SPEAKER_03: Welcome to the Let's Get Naked podcast, where we dive deep into vulnerability.
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  SPEAKER_03: In this space, we'll explore what triggers us, uncover the patterns holding us back, and discover how to take charge of our own growth.
• 0:14
  SPEAKER_03: If you're ready to dig in, be vulnerable, and face the tough stuff, then buckle up.
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  SPEAKER_03: It's time to get naked.
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  SPEAKER_03: I want to talk today about a disease that almost nobody talks about.
• 0:26
  SPEAKER_03: It's not cancer, it's not addiction, it's not obesity, it's not anxiety, it's potential.
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  SPEAKER_03: More specifically, wasted potential.
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  SPEAKER_03: Because if we're being honest, most people don't fail, they never really try.
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  SPEAKER_03: They negotiate, they compromise, they shrink, they convince themselves they wanted less.
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  SPEAKER_03: And then they spend the rest of their lives creating sophisticated explanations for why they never win after the thing they actually wanted.
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  SPEAKER_03: Not because they couldn't, but because they were afraid.
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  SPEAKER_03: Afraid of looking stupid, afraid of failing, afraid of succeeding, afraid of judgment, afraid of outgrowing people, afraid of becoming visible, afraid of finding out what they're actually capable of.
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  SPEAKER_03: So instead, they play small.
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  SPEAKER_03: Safe job, safe opinions, safe relationships, safe dreams, safe lives.
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  SPEAKER_03: And here's the crazy part most people don't even realize they're doing it because the prison is comfortable.
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  SPEAKER_03: The prison comes with benefits.
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  SPEAKER_03: The prison comes with approval.
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  SPEAKER_03: The prison comes with certainty.
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  SPEAKER_03: The prison comes with excuses.
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  SPEAKER_03: You don't have to risk much when you're already decided to stay where you are.
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  SPEAKER_03: But every once in a while you meet somebody who's wired differently.
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  SPEAKER_03: Somebody who sees risk and gets excited.
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  SPEAKER_03: Somebody who is willing to bet on themselves before there's even evidence.
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  SPEAKER_03: Somebody who keeps building when everybody else would have stopped.
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  SPEAKER_03: Somebody willing to be seen, willing to fail publicly, willing to make mistakes, to feel exposed, willing to build a life so ambitious, excuse me, ambitious that comfort is no longer an option.
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  SPEAKER_03: Because that's the trade.
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  SPEAKER_03: You don't get extraordinary without vulnerability.
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  SPEAKER_03: You don't get extraordinary without risk.
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  SPEAKER_03: You don't get extraordinary without periods where everyone around you thinks you're crazy.
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  SPEAKER_03: And maybe that's the question for today.
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  SPEAKER_03: Not what do you want?
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  SPEAKER_03: Everybody knows what they want.
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  SPEAKER_03: But the better question is what have you convinced yourself is impossible because pursuing it would require becoming a different version of yourself.
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  SPEAKER_03: A version that takes bigger risks, a version that disappoints some people, a version that stops asking for permission, a version that no longer uses fear as a financial advisor, life coach, relationship counselor, and GPS system.
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  SPEAKER_03: Because here's what I've noticed.
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  SPEAKER_03: At the end of life, nobody wishes they would have played smaller.
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  SPEAKER_03: Nobody wishes they would have protected themselves more.
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  SPEAKER_03: Nobody wishes they would have hidden more of who they were.
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  SPEAKER_03: But the regret is almost always the same.
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  SPEAKER_03: I knew there was more in me.
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  SPEAKER_03: And the tragedy isn't failing, but the tragedy is never finding out.
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  SPEAKER_03: Let's get naked.
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  SPEAKER_03: Today I'm stripping it all off with Susan Wilcox.
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  SPEAKER_03: Susan, welcome to the show.
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  SPEAKER_03: Thank you.
• 3:45
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_03: I'm so excited to have this conversation with you.
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  SPEAKER_03: I read your questionnaire, and a lot of the stuff that you have is very similar to my life, not in the, you know, the specific career path, but just in being willing to cannonball and to take risks and to go all in on yourself.
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  SPEAKER_03: And so I'm really excited to learn more about you.
• 4:03
  SPEAKER_03: Thank you.
• 4:04
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_03: So maybe let's start and you can just kind of tell us a little bit about you at whatever age you want, and we'll just kind of dive in from there.
• 4:12
  SPEAKER_01: Um I would say like defining moments, right?
• 4:18
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 4:18
  SPEAKER_01: So defining moments.
• 4:19
  SPEAKER_01: I was born a very asthmatic kid back in the day where you didn't have portable inhalers and stuff.
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  SPEAKER_01: I was like, you know, always in and out of the hospital and on medication and and crazy.
• 4:30
  SPEAKER_01: But um, in when I was in kindergarten, um, they had field day, if you remember field day, and I was like in my full gear, and I was a runner, and I was a fast runner.
• 4:40
  SPEAKER_01: And when I was little, being a runner was we're probably close in age, but being a runner was like a big deal.
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  SPEAKER_01: Like if you were a fast runner, you were like, great.
• 4:48
  SPEAKER_01: And so I'm like, I'm a really fast runner, but I can't breathe, right?
• 4:51
  SPEAKER_01: So we go to field day, and my mom is like, Yeah, you can do this, you could do this.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I was like, okay, so they took my um my um breathing machine, I put it in the nurse's office.
• 5:04
  SPEAKER_01: So I ran the race and I couldn't breathe, of course.
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  SPEAKER_01: Like they rushed me to the nurse's office, but I won.
• 5:11
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 5:12
  SPEAKER_01: And so I I never thought, right, like I never thought, don't.
• 5:16
  SPEAKER_01: I just thought how.
• 5:17
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 5:18
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 5:18
  SPEAKER_01: So very early on, my mom was very, she told me, if you want it, you and you don't have the money, you have to make it.
• 5:24
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 5:25
  SPEAKER_01: And I was like, you just have to make it.
• 5:26
  SPEAKER_01: I can make it.
• 5:27
  SPEAKER_01: Like that's cool, right?
• 5:29
  SPEAKER_01: Um, so I just think I had those feelings.
• 5:32
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I tried out for everything as a little kid.
• 5:35
  SPEAKER_01: I in in grade school, middle school, high school, and I made nothing, right?
• 5:39
  SPEAKER_01: I just like I was the kid who who tried out, but this is when not all kids made it.
• 5:44
  SPEAKER_01: Right before they let everybody make it.
• 5:46
  SPEAKER_01: They let everybody make it.
• 5:47
  SPEAKER_01: So I was like, shut, like I'm not really good at anything.
• 5:51
  SPEAKER_01: And then um, going into my eighth grade year, I got an award in school for trying for everything.
• 5:58
  SPEAKER_01: And I was like, I didn't know that was like a good thing.
• 6:02
  SPEAKER_01: So I was like then rewarded right for trying.
• 6:04
  SPEAKER_01: So I thought that was pretty neat.
• 6:07
  SPEAKER_01: And then so I feel like those little things like kind of built me up to have different thoughts.
• 6:12
  SPEAKER_01: Like I just we were talking earlier, just I don't think certain things, and I'm surprised to hear when other people like what you were describing.
• 6:21
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know that version of a human.
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  SPEAKER_01: I don't know fear, and I don't know that.
• 6:28
  SPEAKER_01: So it's sometimes that feels weird to not know that.
• 6:32
  SPEAKER_01: Like that I should have at some point felt fear or not jumping in, but I always just jumped in.
• 6:38
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 6:39
  SPEAKER_01: So I always say I don't have the bone.
• 6:41
  SPEAKER_01: Whatever bone that is, I was born without it.
• 6:43
  SPEAKER_01: That fear bone.
• 6:45
  SPEAKER_01: Um, so really, I mean, the the the start of it, I started my own.
• 6:49
  SPEAKER_01: Well, actually, I started a fake company when I was like, I want to say I was 21 years old.
• 6:54
  SPEAKER_01: I got business cards, I moved to LA, I got business cards made.
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  SPEAKER_01: I walked around telling people I was an art consultant.
• 7:04
  unknown: Yes.
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  SPEAKER_01: I was working for this guy as his like slave.
• 7:08
  SPEAKER_01: And but I made my own cards and I said um um that I was a business consultant or an art consultant because I studied art and college.
• 7:16
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: And just funny shit like that.
• 7:18
  SPEAKER_01: But that was like, you know, that's just kind of my story, it the beginnings of it anyhow.
• 7:24
  SPEAKER_01: So jumping and being wild and loose was really what what revs my system.
• 7:31
  SPEAKER_01: Like I find it all hilarious.
• 7:33
  SPEAKER_01: I find it the most fun.
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  SPEAKER_01: Like that's what revs some people.
• 7:38
  SPEAKER_01: I like risk.
• 7:39
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 7:40
  SPEAKER_01: Like I don't like drugs, and I don't like drinking, and I don't like fucking strangers, but I definitely love risk.
• 7:46
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, risk junkie.
• 7:47
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I'm a total risk junkie.
• 7:49
  SPEAKER_01: So yeah, I started the company when I was um my company that I have now when I was 25.
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  SPEAKER_01: I love this so much.
• 7:55
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I know it is kind of strange.
• 7:58
  SPEAKER_01: Um, people are shocked about it.
• 8:01
  SPEAKER_01: And they're like, how did you know what to do at 25?
• 8:03
  SPEAKER_01: I go, how do you know ever what exactly?
• 8:05
  SPEAKER_03: You just do the next.
• 8:06
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not I'm not entirely sure that I don't think anybody knows what the fuck they're doing.
• 8:11
  SPEAKER_01: I agree with you a thousand percent.
• 8:12
  SPEAKER_01: Right?
• 8:12
  SPEAKER_01: We and also just do the thing, anyways.
• 8:14
  SPEAKER_01: Right, and then you'll find out like along the way, like we did something at work yesterday.
• 8:19
  SPEAKER_01: Fuck some shit up, yeah, and I puss a lot.
• 8:21
  SPEAKER_01: I'm really sorry.
• 8:22
  SPEAKER_01: No, no, no.
• 8:23
  SPEAKER_01: Trust me, this is what the show is for.
• 8:25
  SPEAKER_01: So we fucked up payroll, yeah.
• 8:27
  SPEAKER_01: And everyone's like, what are we gonna do?
• 8:29
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like, we're just gonna have to handwrite checks.
• 8:32
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, like it used to be done that way.
• 8:34
  SPEAKER_01: We could still, we just messed up our software a little bit.
• 8:38
  SPEAKER_01: So what?
• 8:39
  SPEAKER_01: We disconnected it from the bank.
• 8:40
  SPEAKER_01: It's okay, it's all gonna be okay.
• 8:43
  SPEAKER_01: But anyhow, so I I did I do love risk.
• 8:46
  SPEAKER_01: I don't, I always think, why not me?
• 8:48
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, always.
• 8:49
  SPEAKER_01: I don't ever think, I don't know.
• 8:53
  SPEAKER_01: I still think the same way.
• 8:55
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, I I wonder we talked before about having a different voice or a different, you know, a grown-up version.
• 9:05
  SPEAKER_01: I don't have that.
• 9:06
  SPEAKER_01: Neither.
• 9:07
  SPEAKER_03: I'm like an eight-year-old girl inside.
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  SPEAKER_03: That's how my brain works.
• 9:10
  SPEAKER_03: It's like, oh, if something is something that sparks me and I want to do it, I just go do it.
• 9:13
  SPEAKER_03: And it's like, is there a risk involved?
• 9:15
  SPEAKER_03: God, I hope so, because I'm the same way.
• 9:17
  SPEAKER_03: That that for me just like scratches something.
• 9:19
  SPEAKER_03: It's like if I'm if I'm standing on the ledge, you know, with my hands in the air and my balls flapping in the breeze to me, I'm like, let's fucking go, right?
• 9:26
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, then that's just that's for me what does it for me.
• 9:29
  SPEAKER_01: So that's actually one of my company, you know, you're supposed to do the vision and all that.
• 9:33
  SPEAKER_01: So one of my my three things is let's fucking go.
• 9:37
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, because I'm a call to action person.
• 9:39
  SPEAKER_01: Like I love a good call to action.
• 9:41
  SPEAKER_01: Like, let's see what, you know, let's see what we can do with this, let's see how far we can take it.
• 9:45
  SPEAKER_03: So I can't wait to show you the picture of my office.
• 9:47
  SPEAKER_03: I have a big neon sign behind my desk that says let's fucking go.
• 9:50
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 9:50
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I mean it's just exactly.
• 9:52
  SPEAKER_03: And I think in looking at what's happening in society nowadays, and also in other times, when you were talking about looking at other people and then being something different, that's the only time I ever feel different because I don't know any other way than being the cannonballer.
• 10:05
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 10:05
  SPEAKER_03: But when you see people and they are coming from this place of like hesitant or scared to do something, I'm like, what else?
• 10:12
  SPEAKER_03: What else are you gonna do?
• 10:13
  SPEAKER_03: You know what I mean?
• 10:14
  SPEAKER_01: Like just go do whatever feels right in this town, and I'm sure it's in every town in America, but I believe that women, I know a lot of women like this that did what they thought they were supposed to do early on.
• 10:27
  SPEAKER_01: They had the kids, they had the husband, they have the beautiful home, the kids are in charity work, this the whole system, right?
• 10:34
  SPEAKER_01: And this has been in my life too, where I later in life, they'll be like, How did you do it?
• 10:40
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, why did you choose not to?
• 10:42
  SPEAKER_01: I did that too, but I I I didn't, I didn't, that wasn't my whole life.
• 10:47
  SPEAKER_01: That was just a part of my life.
• 10:49
  SPEAKER_01: And the rest of my life was the life I was making for myself.
• 10:52
  SPEAKER_01: Sure.
• 10:52
  SPEAKER_01: But then they get to my age, right?
• 10:54
  SPEAKER_01: I'm 57.
• 10:56
  SPEAKER_01: So I've had people who I've known for 20 years be like, now they want to try to figure out how to do it, that they feel like they may have missed a portion of themselves somewhere along the lines, but they're still ultimately very scared.
• 11:10
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 11:11
  SPEAKER_03: They still won't do it.
• 11:12
  SPEAKER_03: I think that fear thing is a is the biggest component of it.
• 11:15
  SPEAKER_03: And when you say like you didn't weren't born with that, yeah, I feel the exact same way.
• 11:19
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 11:19
  SPEAKER_03: Like I have spent my entire life being a cannonballer.
• 11:22
  SPEAKER_03: And um, is it always right?
• 11:23
  SPEAKER_03: No, God no.
• 11:25
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, I fail all the time, you know, and and and and publicly in front of people, I you know, do all of the things.
• 11:30
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, and then what happened?
• 11:31
  SPEAKER_03: You know, it's like people get so twisted up in that that you're gonna let that kind of dictate what you do in your life, and that seems silly to me.
• 11:37
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and that seems silly to me.
• 11:39
  SPEAKER_01: Like, like I remember my there's women um in my life who it was their husbands would say that they didn't want them to work, and I was like, Well, who the fuck cares what he said?
• 11:54
  SPEAKER_01: Like, what do you want to do?
• 11:56
  SPEAKER_01: Do you want to work?
• 11:57
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, like I I find that statement to be so insane, but a lot of the women, it was like for their men, it was like a sign of like, you know, I'm great, I can I can wrap up this family.
• 12:09
  SPEAKER_01: And I I I don't even understand that.
• 12:12
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know why, because then those men, by the way, end up finding their wives completely boring.
• 12:17
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, isn't that wild?
• 12:19
  SPEAKER_01: They're like, now you're a piece of crap because you have nothing, because all you talk about is they held you there.
• 12:24
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, just talk about those kids.
• 12:28
  SPEAKER_03: It's it's so true though.
• 12:30
  SPEAKER_01: So bad.
• 12:30
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, yeah.
• 12:31
  SPEAKER_03: No, I think I think, like you said, we get to this age that we are, and people are looking around because their kids have gotten older and they haven't pursued kind of the things that they wanted to.
• 12:39
  SPEAKER_03: And I watch as the kids are moving out and the moms are like, well, now what?
• 12:44
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you could still go to work, like for sure.
• 12:46
  SPEAKER_01: Go do whatever you want.
• 12:47
  SPEAKER_01: So I often walk through Trader Joe's and think, like, I'd really like to work here.
• 12:52
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but you know, and and I have a job.
• 12:55
  SPEAKER_01: I always have a job.
• 12:56
  SPEAKER_01: So I can't work at Trader, I love it.
• 12:58
  SPEAKER_01: I can't work at Trader Joe.
• 13:00
  SPEAKER_01: It seems really fine to get a child with people.
• 13:02
  SPEAKER_01: Sure.
• 13:02
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but they are embarrassed.
• 13:04
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I'm like, but what about your social being?
• 13:08
  SPEAKER_01: What about like like just being in the public and with people and and carving out a place for yourself and connection with other human beings, but they're too embarrassed, like that says something about them.
• 13:20
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 13:20
  SPEAKER_01: I I I I had this job, I got this job, I begged for this job for years, and it was for the Phoenix Open.
• 13:27
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 13:28
  SPEAKER_01: And I I did all these things to try to get a job.
• 13:31
  SPEAKER_01: I couldn't get it for like five years, and I finally got it, and I was six months pregnant when I got the job.
• 13:36
  SPEAKER_01: And so the guy with my last kid, yeah, and the guy who hired me, he's like, you know, I've seen my wife in her last trimester, and she was like the shit.
• 13:44
  SPEAKER_01: Like she was getting shit done, you know, the nesting period, and I was like, Yeah, I can do everything.
• 13:49
  SPEAKER_01: Sure.
• 13:50
  SPEAKER_01: So I show up, um, my first time getting this job at the open.
• 13:56
  SPEAKER_01: I was eight and a half months pregnant, and people were like, oh, they're so upset.
• 14:02
  SPEAKER_01: Everyone was so upset.
• 14:04
  SPEAKER_01: People trying to carry things for me.
• 14:06
  SPEAKER_01: People were trying to like, and I'm like, I'm good.
• 14:09
  SPEAKER_01: This is my fourth kid.
• 14:11
  SPEAKER_01: I'm gonna have a Red Bull, yeah, and I will like to work.
• 14:17
  SPEAKER_01: You can rest assured that I'm gonna pull this event off.
• 14:20
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and so that was 22 years ago.
• 14:22
  SPEAKER_01: I've had the job ever since.
• 14:24
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but I know that like it was upsetting for a lot of people to watch me do that.
• 14:29
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you know, well, why isn't she staying home?
• 14:33
  SPEAKER_01: And why it's so sad she has to work.
• 14:36
  SPEAKER_01: You know what I mean?
• 14:37
  SPEAKER_03: I know exactly what you mean, and I think it's hilarious because we're just we're minded differently, and so for me, it's like there's not another option.
• 14:44
  SPEAKER_03: I don't, I don't need I don't know another speed.
• 14:46
  SPEAKER_03: It's it's either zero or a hundred.
• 14:48
  SPEAKER_01: What about one?
• 14:50
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, absolutely.
• 14:50
  SPEAKER_01: I've tried to get this job for five years and I finally get it.
• 14:53
  SPEAKER_01: Is the timing ideal?
• 14:54
  SPEAKER_01: No, I was giantly pregnant, and but who cares?
• 14:57
  SPEAKER_01: I still wanted the job.
• 14:59
  SPEAKER_01: This is my career, it's thing I worked for for five years.
• 15:02
  SPEAKER_01: So um I think I think it is, I know how I see it because I'm a hustler.
• 15:08
  SPEAKER_01: So I don't really care.
• 15:09
  SPEAKER_01: If you don't like what you see, you you can find a channel.
• 15:12
  SPEAKER_01: You can look away.
• 15:13
  SPEAKER_01: Like, don't look at my giant body.
• 15:15
  SPEAKER_01: Yep.
• 15:15
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and don't mind me walking up all these stairs and carrying your tables.
• 15:19
  SPEAKER_01: It says more about them, right?
• 15:20
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 15:21
  SPEAKER_03: Than me.
• 15:21
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 15:22
  SPEAKER_03: No, I I find it fascinating.
• 15:24
  SPEAKER_03: I find it inspiring.
• 15:25
  SPEAKER_03: I feel like people like you need to be spotlighted so that people can see, like, it's okay.
• 15:31
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, it's okay and go with, right?
• 15:32
  SPEAKER_03: Because there's things that we do along the way that are um are embarrassing, are cringy, or things that like, yeah, like you said with the payroll, like we're gonna figure it out.
• 15:41
  SPEAKER_03: But no, you're right.
• 15:42
  SPEAKER_03: I I think I think the people that are afraid to do stuff feel like they're waiting for either a feeling of readiness, which is ready is not a feeling, it's an action, right?
• 15:51
  SPEAKER_03: Um or we're going to give them permission.
• 15:53
  SPEAKER_03: And it's like, who do you think is up here that is granting permission?
• 15:57
  SPEAKER_03: You know, for me, I come from this place of who's gonna tell me I can't?
• 16:00
  SPEAKER_03: Right, right.
• 16:00
  SPEAKER_03: And so you you also have that same energy of just like I'm going to do whatever the fuck it is that I feel like I want to do, and and tell me I can't.
• 16:07
  SPEAKER_01: And I've been married for 32 years.
• 16:09
  SPEAKER_01: And I have four kids, right?
• 16:11
  SPEAKER_01: So God bless God, maybe, who like gave me somebody who was just cool.
• 16:19
  SPEAKER_01: Because that is not, you know, that's not normal.
• 16:21
  SPEAKER_03: No, I know.
• 16:21
  SPEAKER_03: It's you're you're not wrong.
• 16:22
  SPEAKER_03: I've been married for um 20 something.
• 16:25
  SPEAKER_03: And same.
• 16:26
  SPEAKER_03: Like, right.
• 16:27
  SPEAKER_03: It's like it takes it takes a it takes a special person to be with people like you and I because I'm not me does not, we're not letting me.
• 16:36
  SPEAKER_01: And we're I'm not letting you either.
• 16:38
  SPEAKER_01: Absolutely.
• 16:38
  SPEAKER_01: I want you and I get along just fine.
• 16:44
  SPEAKER_03: I'm not juggling with you.
• 16:47
  SPEAKER_03: I love it.
• 16:48
  SPEAKER_03: But you know what, when you run that way, it's such a beautiful, beautiful pairing, anyways, because you're the like comfortable running at 100 miles an hour and having all of the things.
• 16:56
  SPEAKER_03: I'm assuming you do that same thing at the house with the kids, and you're just like the heartbeat of the household, um, in addition to everything else that you're always doing.
• 17:04
  SPEAKER_03: Yes, yeah.
• 17:05
  SPEAKER_01: And I love it.
• 17:05
  SPEAKER_01: I love, I love having had my oldest or youngest is 22, so nobody lives with us anymore.
• 17:11
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, but it was great.
• 17:13
  SPEAKER_01: I could, I could go to work and I could, you know, blaze myself to death at work, and I could go home and I could blaze myself with my kids.
• 17:19
  SPEAKER_01: Like I could just burn, and I'm good with everyone, you know.
• 17:23
  SPEAKER_01: Your mom will say, being careful.
• 17:25
  SPEAKER_01: And I was like, I think I'm built for this.
• 17:27
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, like I think this is exactly what I need.
• 17:30
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I need to go home and have a great time with the kids, and I need to go to work and and not be with my kids.
• 17:35
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 17:36
  SPEAKER_01: So it worked out, and I for the first, I don't know, I'm gonna say, I'm gonna say 18 years, I had no money, no zero, right?
• 17:47
  SPEAKER_01: I would take my paycheck and hand it to my nanny.
• 17:49
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, right.
• 17:50
  SPEAKER_01: And that I didn't care.
• 17:52
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like building, I'm building something, everyone loves it.
• 17:56
  SPEAKER_01: I want to keep doing this, and one day these kids won't need a nanny and uh it'll be like a pay raise, but uh I learned to do without, I learned to do with little.
• 18:05
  SPEAKER_01: I can do with little, I could do with medium, I could do with a lot.
• 18:08
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, which is so lovely, and also an example for people listening of you know, you don't have to have all that, just feed your soul, right?
• 18:17
  SPEAKER_03: You don't people think that there has to be all this money and whatever.
• 18:19
  SPEAKER_03: And I just chuckle when people talk about going into business and they think it's gonna be like, you know, you get to eat all the time.
• 18:24
  SPEAKER_03: It's like you eat last and you don't eat for a while.
• 18:26
  SPEAKER_03: Like there's a lot of things about starting a business.
• 18:28
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, and also I can't imagine not doing it, you know, all the different businesses over the years that I've started.
• 18:33
  SPEAKER_03: That's what I just am following my my gut that says.
• 18:37
  SPEAKER_03: Absolutely.
• 18:37
  SPEAKER_03: I'm willing to do whatever it takes.
• 18:39
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 18:39
  SPEAKER_01: And and I'm not like, like, you know, the women in back in the olden days, the suffrage, right?
• 18:45
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like so good at the suffrage.
• 18:47
  SPEAKER_01: Like you can starve me.
• 18:49
  SPEAKER_01: You can like make me run like for weeks.
• 18:52
  SPEAKER_01: Like the more that happens to me, the more jazzed I am.
• 18:56
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like, I'm like, don't spend money, let's go.
• 19:01
  SPEAKER_01: That's my favorite.
• 19:02
  SPEAKER_01: Then you make that your bitch, right?
• 19:03
  SPEAKER_03: Like, seriously, I'm like, no problems, right?
• 19:06
  SPEAKER_03: And then you just you know, correct and move this direction or move that direction.
• 19:10
  SPEAKER_03: But yeah, God, I love that so much.
• 19:12
  SPEAKER_03: I love that energy.
• 19:13
  SPEAKER_03: It is just this this drive for willing to do whatever it takes.
• 19:16
  SPEAKER_03: And obviously, maybe over the years your your mission has changed or the things maybe it's always the same.
• 19:21
  SPEAKER_03: I don't know.
• 19:22
  SPEAKER_03: Tell me tell me about that a little bit.
• 19:23
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, I um gosh, I went to college for nutrition.
• 19:30
  SPEAKER_01: So I've always been a fitness person.
• 19:32
  SPEAKER_01: I ran my first um 10K when I was like 12 years old.
• 19:36
  SPEAKER_01: Wow.
• 19:36
  SPEAKER_01: And so I love food and fitness, long-standing eating disorder.
• 19:41
  SPEAKER_01: Longstanding, maybe just when I got out of the car, right?
• 19:44
  SPEAKER_01: You know what I mean?
• 19:45
  SPEAKER_01: Like it doesn't really go away, it just kind of sticks with you.
• 19:47
  SPEAKER_01: You're right.
• 19:48
  SPEAKER_01: So I learned early on how to count calories, and I went to school and I learned all this stuff, and it was really just based in probably um my eating disorder, to be very honest.
• 19:58
  SPEAKER_01: But then I loved it.
• 19:59
  SPEAKER_01: And then I was like, oh, this is fascinating.
• 20:02
  SPEAKER_01: It's math, it's your human body, and I got interested in food.
• 20:06
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I was um in at ASU and I was working at Z Tejas, and um, there's two people who worked there.
• 20:14
  SPEAKER_01: One was in the kitchen, one didn't work there, one worked there in the kitchen, and the other one, her husband, worked there.
• 20:20
  SPEAKER_01: And they were talking about how they were feeding people.
• 20:24
  SPEAKER_01: And um, I was um had just moved in, moved from Los Angeles, where I was throwing events at a restaurant in Malibu called Pierview Cafe.
• 20:35
  SPEAKER_01: And it's now the Nobu.
• 20:37
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know if you get to LA or Malibu very often, but it's the Nobu, the Nobu is right there.
• 20:42
  SPEAKER_01: And it's where my the restaurant I met my husband at and everything was.
• 20:45
  SPEAKER_01: And I was like, well, I know how to throw a party because remember, I was an art consultant.
• 20:51
  SPEAKER_03: Whatever you're partying when your business card said, I love that so much.
• 20:53
  SPEAKER_03: I swear to God, it resonates with me so hard.
• 20:56
  SPEAKER_01: So I threw parties as an art consultant.
• 20:58
  SPEAKER_01: This lady and with Barbara Lazarov, who's Wolfgang Puck's wife.
• 21:03
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I was just like, You just put who's gonna stop you?
• 21:06
  SPEAKER_01: Who's gonna fucking stop you?
• 21:07
  SPEAKER_01: Nobody exactly.
• 21:10
  SPEAKER_01: So, um, but I loved throwing parties, like I learned how to do it in peer view at the restaurant, and so when these guys were talking about it, I was like, Well, I know how to throw parties.
• 21:21
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I didn't really know how good I was at, but they cooked, yeah, and I was like, we should start a business.
• 21:27
  SPEAKER_01: And at that time, I think I was probably 24, and again, you know, with no real we bought pagers.
• 21:37
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 21:39
  SPEAKER_01: We didn't even know like we didn't have a we didn't have a computer.
• 21:42
  SPEAKER_01: Isn't that fun?
• 21:43
  SPEAKER_01: It's crazy.
• 21:44
  SPEAKER_01: It's crazy to think that's how we did it.
• 21:45
  SPEAKER_01: We're like, what do you want for food?
• 21:48
  SPEAKER_01: Writing it down.
• 21:49
  SPEAKER_01: Just jelly, putting it on a napkin.
• 21:52
  SPEAKER_01: So um, we started the company.
• 21:54
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, that's how we started the company.
• 21:56
  SPEAKER_01: We got pagers.
• 21:57
  SPEAKER_01: Um, my aunt was a CPA, and so she's like This is how you start a company.
• 22:01
  SPEAKER_01: So thank God.
• 22:02
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 22:02
  SPEAKER_01: Because I wouldn't have known about taxes or or actually how to do anything.
• 22:07
  SPEAKER_01: So she kind of put me on the straight and narrow, which is not a path I generally walk on.
• 22:12
  SPEAKER_01: I agree.
• 22:12
  SPEAKER_01: But she scared me straight with the taxes.
• 22:14
  SPEAKER_01: So she got me in like not to say I didn't screw up, but I at least had the understanding of what a business should look like.
• 22:21
  SPEAKER_01: So we started the company, and because of our true lack, we went to Mexico and bought a whole bunch of crap in Mexico.
• 22:29
  SPEAKER_01: We took a van down to Mexico and bought all these like platters and all this equipment.
• 22:34
  SPEAKER_01: And because we didn't come from hotels or anything, any kind of real training, I mean, it was 24.
• 22:41
  SPEAKER_01: So 25.
• 22:41
  SPEAKER_01: What did I know?
• 22:42
  SPEAKER_01: Nothing.
• 22:43
  SPEAKER_01: And we started doing these events.
• 22:45
  SPEAKER_01: And I was at C Teha.
• 22:47
  SPEAKER_01: So my neighbor at Zitehas at the time, Scott Still Fashion Square, was PF Chang's.
• 22:52
  SPEAKER_01: So we got because we're restaurant people.
• 22:54
  SPEAKER_01: So we just knew everyone would drink.
• 22:56
  SPEAKER_01: I we would drink at PF Chang's and they would come drink at C Teha's.
• 22:59
  SPEAKER_01: And so PF Chang's was our first customer.
• 23:02
  SPEAKER_01: And we did the like employee appreciation party, like at a bowl and alley.
• 23:06
  SPEAKER_01: So it was kind of crazy.
• 23:07
  SPEAKER_01: And it just went from there.
• 23:09
  SPEAKER_01: Then suddenly we were doing PF Chang's corporate events in the CEO's backyard.
• 23:14
  SPEAKER_01: And like just it what and I think it was because it looked so different.
• 23:19
  SPEAKER_01: Because people, we probably'm surprised we didn't kill somebody because I don't think those are heat-safe pieces of.
• 23:26
  SPEAKER_01: But we just threw it like we threw something under there to keep it high.
• 23:30
  SPEAKER_01: Right?
• 23:30
  SPEAKER_01: Sure, you just do whatever it needs to be.
• 23:32
  SPEAKER_01: But it looked really pretty.
• 23:33
  SPEAKER_01: And so that's really how we started as caterers, and people just loved it.
• 23:38
  SPEAKER_01: And um, I'm having, I had all my kids during these first years of having the business, and the women, I would I would say, Do you care if I bring my baby?
• 23:50
  SPEAKER_01: And the women were always like, Oh my gosh, bring your baby.
• 23:52
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I will hold your baby while you plan my party.
• 23:55
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 23:56
  SPEAKER_01: And I was like, that's great.
• 23:59
  SPEAKER_01: Like, and they would, they would just the best part of my career is the women who have helped me get here.
• 24:06
  SPEAKER_01: And they are the most dear people to me.
• 24:10
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 24:10
  SPEAKER_01: Um, who gave me a shot.
• 24:12
  SPEAKER_01: Like, how do you be a mom and do the whole thing, right?
• 24:15
  SPEAKER_01: And they allowed me to do that with them.
• 24:18
  SPEAKER_01: So, um, and almost exclusively women, as you can imagine.
• 24:22
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I'm sure a guy, if I brought my baby, would be like, I'm not holding your baby.
• 24:26
  SPEAKER_03: What the fuck do you want me to do with this?
• 24:27
  SPEAKER_03: I'm not holding your baby.
• 24:29
  SPEAKER_03: Thank you.
• 24:30
  SPEAKER_03: It's fun because your energy is infectious, right?
• 24:32
  SPEAKER_03: And it makes people want to help you win, whatever that is.
• 24:36
  SPEAKER_03: And also, you know, I think when we were talking before we started recording about the authenticity component of it and being willing to be vulnerable and say, like, I don't know what I'm doing, I'm just swinging for the fence because this feels like the right thing to do.
• 24:47
  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
• 24:47
  SPEAKER_03: I think that goes a long way, you know.
• 24:49
  SPEAKER_01: I I think so.
• 24:51
  SPEAKER_01: I think I know that now.
• 24:53
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 24:54
  SPEAKER_01: I didn't know it then.
• 24:55
  SPEAKER_01: I thought I was just trying, right?
• 24:58
  SPEAKER_01: And that's we talked about that authentic thing.
• 25:00
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I didn't know there was an alternative.
• 25:02
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 25:03
  SPEAKER_01: If I knew, if like there was a better way to be and it had gotten me to a better place faster, I might have tried it.
• 25:09
  SPEAKER_01: Sure.
• 25:10
  SPEAKER_01: But again, like I don't I don't know.
• 25:12
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 25:13
  SPEAKER_01: So it it is been, it's been wild and it's been fun.
• 25:17
  SPEAKER_01: And um, I've I the one you know, sometimes you're in a group doing a card game or something, and somebody will say, like, what if you had three wishes, right?
• 25:26
  SPEAKER_01: And mine is one of mine, I only have one, and it's to do it all over again.
• 25:31
  SPEAKER_03: Really?
• 25:31
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 25:32
  SPEAKER_03: What would you do differently?
• 25:33
  SPEAKER_03: That's nothing.
• 25:34
  SPEAKER_03: Oh my oh my goodness.
• 25:37
  SPEAKER_03: I love that you say that so much because as soon as you said that, I'm thinking, I would never do it all over again.
• 25:41
  SPEAKER_03: But when you say it from that standpoint of like not doing anything different, same.
• 25:45
  SPEAKER_03: I have no regrets.
• 25:47
  SPEAKER_01: I'd love to have my babies again.
• 25:49
  SPEAKER_01: I would I I have I have squeezed the life out of every minute of my life so far.
• 25:55
  SPEAKER_01: And I love that.
• 25:56
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 25:57
  SPEAKER_03: I live, I live the exact set for you.
• 25:59
  SPEAKER_03: It's so God, we're very similar in that way because I swear to God, we we say it all the time of like, I have sucked the life out of every every drop of what's been available to me and what hasn't been available to me.
• 26:11
  SPEAKER_03: No regrets.
• 26:11
  SPEAKER_03: It doesn't matter, right?
• 26:12
  SPEAKER_03: No regrets and just doing the thing, and it doesn't mean uh everything is a win, you know.
• 26:16
  SPEAKER_03: But when you look back, they all they all led to what it is.
• 26:20
  SPEAKER_03: Where do you start pulling things out?
• 26:21
  SPEAKER_03: And people are like, what do you regret?
• 26:22
  SPEAKER_03: I'm like, where do you start pulling the Django thing, you know, things of your life out before it collapses?
• 26:27
  SPEAKER_03: Like it all leads to that.
• 26:28
  SPEAKER_03: It wouldn't, right?
• 26:29
  SPEAKER_03: So it's like everything that I went through had to have happened to be here.
• 26:33
  SPEAKER_01: That that the worst thing is is uh is a step towards the I tell my kids all the time, if you're not failing, and this is such an old, stupid saying, but you're not trying.
• 26:41
  SPEAKER_01: Agreed.
• 26:41
  SPEAKER_01: It's just feedback.
• 26:42
  SPEAKER_01: Please try back, yeah.
• 26:43
  SPEAKER_01: Try, try, try, try.
• 26:44
  SPEAKER_01: I don't care if 90% of it doesn't work out.
• 26:47
  SPEAKER_01: You are living in your life.
• 26:49
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so that's that's you know, and it's scary and it doesn't always work, and it's okay.
• 26:59
  SPEAKER_03: Let's be real.
• 27:00
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• 27:04
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• 27:10
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• 27:14
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• 27:20
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• 27:28
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• 27:40
  SPEAKER_03: Do you have people that are around you that don't live in fear, or do you feel like that's a pretty big, pretty big blanket that covers most people?
• 27:46
  SPEAKER_03: Because I feel like in my life, fear is around not necessarily everyone that's super close at my table, but everyone is just it feels like kind of handcuffed by fear and then don't do their life.
• 27:59
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 28:00
  SPEAKER_01: A lot.
• 28:01
  SPEAKER_01: Like I can think of that even in my own children.
• 28:04
  SPEAKER_01: Like I can think, like so what I think is great about me, they may think is crazy.
• 28:11
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, like that's crazy.
• 28:12
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 28:13
  SPEAKER_03: And I'm like, they tell me that all the time, too.
• 28:15
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like, whatever.
• 28:16
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
• 28:17
  SPEAKER_01: Like just normal.
• 28:18
  SPEAKER_01: It's just you know, this is who I am.
• 28:20
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and then I have I have a friend who's doing her second wedding right now, and I am pushing her to do it all different.
• 28:29
  SPEAKER_01: Like it's your second one.
• 28:30
  SPEAKER_01: You don't have to do it the way you did the first one.
• 28:32
  SPEAKER_01: Do you like?
• 28:34
  SPEAKER_01: And it's funny because she's keeps sliding back down to kind of the way it was, it's always been done.
• 28:41
  SPEAKER_03: What feels comfortable?
• 28:42
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 28:43
  SPEAKER_03: A lot of people are scared to leave that comfort, right?
• 28:46
  SPEAKER_03: And and to me in my house, comfort's a four-letter word.
• 28:48
  SPEAKER_03: You know, I think comfort is very dangerous.
• 28:51
  SPEAKER_01: I think so too.
• 28:52
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, how many years do we actually have?
• 28:55
  SPEAKER_01: 100%.
• 28:56
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
• 28:57
  SPEAKER_01: I haven't been comfortable.
• 28:59
  SPEAKER_01: Uh maybe I'd like to be comfortable eventually or rest.
• 29:04
  SPEAKER_01: After you run out of steam.
• 29:05
  SPEAKER_03: Maybe.
• 29:06
  SPEAKER_03: Well, you said you're 57.
• 29:07
  SPEAKER_03: You don't look like you're anywhere close to running out of steam.
• 29:09
  SPEAKER_03: So which is a good thing.
• 29:11
  SPEAKER_01: So I'm uh I'm about to open up two new restaurants in the next 12 months.
• 29:15
  SPEAKER_01: I I it's very so I started another company when I was 50.
• 29:21
  SPEAKER_01: So I was, um, we had a client.
• 29:23
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know if you know about so I have restaurants, I have a catering company, and then I have another company called Pivot Culinary.
• 29:30
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 29:30
  SPEAKER_01: And so that company, I was, I was on the eve of my 50th birthday, and I was inside of the facility of one of our clients.
• 29:41
  SPEAKER_01: And I was like, is this it?
• 29:44
  SPEAKER_01: Is this it?
• 29:45
  SPEAKER_01: Like this is this, I don't think this is it.
• 29:47
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I don't think I'm done.
• 29:48
  SPEAKER_01: This doesn't feel people will say, like, you're so successful.
• 29:51
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm like, but I don't, I know, but what if I don't like it's not that I don't think I'm successful, I just don't think this is the level of success I was thinking about.
• 30:00
  SPEAKER_01: And so um, one of the guys in the room, um who I had worked with from my client, and I said, Hey, I can uh, and this is how I am.
• 30:11
  SPEAKER_01: So this is, I think, what is good about me and potentially strange.
• 30:15
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like, hey, can I talk to you for a minute?
• 30:17
  SPEAKER_01: And he's like, Yeah.
• 30:18
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm like, Can you teach me about the business of baseball?
• 30:22
  SPEAKER_01: And he's like, Yeah, I can.
• 30:25
  SPEAKER_01: And so he, because I was like, We're feeding you.
• 30:29
  SPEAKER_01: What what are every other team doing?
• 30:31
  SPEAKER_01: I have no idea why it dawned on me, just standing there, but it did.
• 30:34
  SPEAKER_01: And he drew me this picture, and he drew me this picture, and I was like, Oh, like, stop what you're doing right now because I am I'm overly stimulated.
• 30:43
  SPEAKER_01: Like, this is amazing.
• 30:44
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I gotta go, I gotta go.
• 30:46
  SPEAKER_01: And so I went back to my office and I built the company.
• 30:50
  SPEAKER_01: Took me a year on paper, right?
• 30:52
  SPEAKER_01: What does it look like?
• 30:53
  SPEAKER_01: What is it?
• 30:54
  SPEAKER_01: And so I'm a firm believer in just saying stuff out loud, like that.
• 30:58
  SPEAKER_01: I'm doing what are you doing?
• 31:00
  SPEAKER_01: I'm doing this.
• 31:01
  SPEAKER_01: And then people are like, You are?
• 31:02
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm like, just it's happening.
• 31:05
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know a thing about what I'm talking about that you know, it's interesting, it's good for it's it's interesting conversations.
• 31:12
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 31:12
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and so he so I went back a year later to him and I said, I have everything I need.
• 31:18
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I know how to run a business, I'm very confident in what I've created.
• 31:22
  SPEAKER_01: The amount of opportunity is staggering in professional sports.
• 31:27
  SPEAKER_01: And I was like, I can do this.
• 31:29
  SPEAKER_01: And I said, the only thing I don't have is connections.
• 31:32
  SPEAKER_01: I said, Can you help me with my connections?
• 31:34
  SPEAKER_01: Because I'm not a sports fan, right?
• 31:36
  SPEAKER_01: And I don't I don't know anybody.
• 31:39
  SPEAKER_01: And he's like, Yeah, absolutely.
• 31:41
  SPEAKER_01: And the company, I started that in 2020, and then in 2020, just fucking imagine that.
• 31:49
  SPEAKER_01: And then the as they were shutting the restaurants down, this other company, we got a call from the Dodgers and said, Could you travel with us?
• 32:00
  SPEAKER_01: And we were like, Of course.
• 32:03
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and I'm like, I love that you just say yes before anything else because I'm the same way.
• 32:07
  SPEAKER_03: I'm like, we're gonna figure that afterwards.
• 32:09
  SPEAKER_03: I'm gonna go, oh shit, but to your fans, I'm gonna be like, we can do that.
• 32:12
  SPEAKER_01: We're totally ready.
• 32:13
  SPEAKER_01: Can you go to this state this year?
• 32:14
  SPEAKER_01: I'm at it.
• 32:15
  SPEAKER_01: Totally.
• 32:15
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I hang up to them.
• 32:16
  SPEAKER_01: I go, we need a logo.
• 32:19
  SPEAKER_03: We need some t-shirts.
• 32:21
  SPEAKER_01: We need some t-shirt.
• 32:22
  SPEAKER_03: I love you so much.
• 32:23
  SPEAKER_01: We need to figure out what to do.
• 32:24
  SPEAKER_01: That's how we started the company, and we learned how to do it on the road.
• 32:28
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 32:28
  SPEAKER_01: So it took a year on the road, and you know, last year was our biggest year.
• 32:33
  SPEAKER_01: We did nine and a half million.
• 32:36
  SPEAKER_01: And what we do is we feed people food, just like let that fucking sink.
• 32:41
  SPEAKER_01: That's what we do.
• 32:42
  SPEAKER_01: Do you know that other companies don't do that who feed people food?
• 32:45
  SPEAKER_01: They're not feeding them food.
• 32:47
  SPEAKER_01: Like, what are the what are you eating?
• 32:49
  SPEAKER_01: Like, where did that come from?
• 32:51
  SPEAKER_01: How long has it been like that?
• 32:53
  SPEAKER_01: Like, did you cook it or did you heat it up?
• 32:56
  SPEAKER_01: Sure.
• 32:57
  SPEAKER_01: And so that's our competition.
• 32:59
  SPEAKER_01: And so, although we're tiny, we feel mighty playing a game.
• 33:05
  SPEAKER_01: I will say it is a game I am learning how to play.
• 33:10
  SPEAKER_01: It's a big game.
• 33:12
  SPEAKER_01: Like, literally, things I don't know.
• 33:14
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm kind of older, so I feel like I should know some more stuff than I do.
• 33:20
  SPEAKER_01: Like, is that a phrase or is that a term?
• 33:23
  SPEAKER_01: Like, what are you talking about?
• 33:24
  SPEAKER_01: But learning a lot, and um yeah, so that's what I've been up to since then in more restaurants, and I want to hit$100 billion because somebody once told me that number, and it just doesn't leave my head.
• 33:37
  SPEAKER_01: He sold his company for a hundred billion dollars, or yeah, a hundred million, not billion, hundred million.
• 33:42
  SPEAKER_01: And I was like, that sounds like all it's not.
• 33:47
  SPEAKER_03: I have no idea.
• 33:48
  SPEAKER_03: I love you so much.
• 33:49
  SPEAKER_03: It is so excellent to live life this way because it's um, it's in session every day, right?
• 33:55
  SPEAKER_03: Today's a gift, use it accordingly.
• 33:57
  SPEAKER_03: I think people that that are hemming and hawing about what they're going to do and don't just go for it.
• 34:02
  SPEAKER_03: It's like, yeah, you just lost yesterday, you're not gonna get that back, right?
• 34:05
  SPEAKER_01: Like what you're wasting potential, you're wasting time.
• 34:08
  SPEAKER_01: I get mad.
• 34:09
  SPEAKER_01: So my husband's a bit of a dreamer.
• 34:11
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 34:11
  SPEAKER_01: And he'll um, I'm like, are you doing it or not?
• 34:14
  SPEAKER_01: You're not doing it.
• 34:15
  SPEAKER_01: I want you to stop talking about it.
• 34:17
  SPEAKER_00: 12 hours.
• 34:19
  SPEAKER_01: Right?
• 34:20
  SPEAKER_01: I agree.
• 34:20
  SPEAKER_01: He's like, we should do this.
• 34:22
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm like, we're not, I cannot live like that.
• 34:25
  SPEAKER_01: We're either doing it or we're not doing it.
• 34:27
  SPEAKER_01: But no, the we shoulds, like, I don't know why.
• 34:30
  SPEAKER_01: You're a let's fuck a go girl.
• 34:32
  SPEAKER_01: It sets me on fire.
• 34:33
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, like I go out, get the bits, bring it back.
• 34:35
  SPEAKER_01: If it's a good deal, we'll do it.
• 34:36
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 34:37
  SPEAKER_01: Well, do you want to do it?
• 34:38
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like, that is what I said.
• 34:40
  SPEAKER_01: That's what I said.
• 34:42
  SPEAKER_01: Do that, they'll be happier.
• 34:44
  SPEAKER_01: But yeah, I when people talk like that, I'm like, shut up.
• 34:49
  SPEAKER_01: Shut up.
• 34:49
  SPEAKER_01: Like, don't, you're never gonna do it.
• 34:51
  SPEAKER_01: Stop talking about it.
• 34:52
  SPEAKER_01: You're wasting everyone's time, including your own.
• 34:54
  SPEAKER_03: It's so funny because when new people come into my orbit that don't know Anne, because Anne is a just this force, right?
• 35:01
  SPEAKER_03: Susan is as well.
• 35:02
  SPEAKER_03: I can totally tell your energy.
• 35:04
  SPEAKER_03: Um, they look at me from the standpoint of I sometimes just look over and I will see the look on their face, and it's just like, well, this is just how we roll.
• 35:11
  SPEAKER_03: I don't, I do not fuck around.
• 35:12
  SPEAKER_03: Like, there's no time for that.
• 35:14
  SPEAKER_03: Like I'm I'm running out of daylight in my life.
• 35:16
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 35:17
  SPEAKER_03: Um, there's only so many trips around the sun you're getting.
• 35:19
  SPEAKER_03: Exactly, and you don't know.
• 35:20
  SPEAKER_03: So, like, I have this sense of urgency.
• 35:22
  SPEAKER_03: And it's funny because, you know, my my son says to me a couple months ago, um, I sold my first main business back in 2020, and uh lots of stuff has happened since then and whatever, but I fucking hustle hard and I'm the same.
• 35:35
  SPEAKER_03: I'm like, okay, now we're starting this business, now we're doing this, now we're going there.
• 35:38
  SPEAKER_03: And he's like, Mom, you're living in free mode.
• 35:40
  SPEAKER_03: I said, What do you mean?
• 35:41
  SPEAKER_03: He goes, You've already made your money, and like now you just do whatever the fuck you want.
• 35:46
  SPEAKER_03: And it's like that's exactly what I'm telling him.
• 35:48
  SPEAKER_03: It's like, that's not, I do what like my it, my soul says, go this way.
• 35:52
  SPEAKER_03: My gut says, go this way.
• 35:54
  SPEAKER_03: And then I just do it.
• 35:55
  SPEAKER_03: And I don't do like a bunch of figuring it out on charts and all that shit.
• 35:58
  SPEAKER_03: I do that after I cannonball, right?
• 36:00
  SPEAKER_03: Which is what it sounds like you do, right?
• 36:01
  SPEAKER_03: It's like got a contract, and then we're like, okay, fuck, we're gonna figure out how to do this on the road.
• 36:05
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, but that's the fun, you know, and so it's like when people don't know their direction or what they're doing, it's like figure out what sparks you, right?
• 36:12
  SPEAKER_03: Try some different things, figure out what sparks you, and then just go in that direction and chase your highest excitement.
• 36:17
  SPEAKER_03: Whatever your fucking highest excitement is that you have going on in your life right now, go in that direction.
• 36:21
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 36:21
  SPEAKER_03: Will you tweak things as you go a little bit?
• 36:23
  SPEAKER_03: Sure.
• 36:24
  SPEAKER_03: Life is gonna hand you a bunch of different left turns and right turns and U-turns and all sorts of shit that you have no idea about, but get off the starting block.
• 36:32
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, because sitting on the fucking couch is not doing any good for anybody.
• 36:35
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, right.
• 36:36
  SPEAKER_01: But you know what I used to think?
• 36:37
  SPEAKER_01: I used to think anybody could do it.
• 36:39
  SPEAKER_01: Truly.
• 36:40
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I really think it's not true.
• 36:41
  SPEAKER_01: It's not true.
• 36:42
  SPEAKER_01: I know, but I didn't know that.
• 36:44
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, you can do it, and you can do it.
• 36:46
  SPEAKER_01: I will help you, like whatever you want to do.
• 36:49
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I've I've made so many mistakes.
• 36:51
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I could help you do it faster, and I don't believe anymore.
• 36:55
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know if it's like, you know, God hit me in the head on the way out, and it was like, you get one, you know, you're gonna be insane.
• 37:02
  SPEAKER_01: And but I don't, I think it's something that comes from within you.
• 37:05
  SPEAKER_01: I don't think that you can get it.
• 37:08
  SPEAKER_03: It took me, it took me a long time in life to realize that everyone wasn't like me.
• 37:12
  SPEAKER_03: Because I agree, I agree with you.
• 37:14
  SPEAKER_03: I was like, yeah, you guys don't think like that, or you don't want to just go all in, you don't want to cannonball, and everyone's like, we'll be back here on the fucking ledge.
• 37:20
  SPEAKER_03: And I'm like I'm in the water already going, oh, just figuring it out, whatever that looks like.
• 37:25
  SPEAKER_03: And also, you know, I think you're probably the type of person as well that lives in a no rules type situation.
• 37:30
  SPEAKER_03: There are no rules.
• 37:31
  SPEAKER_03: Only the ones I like.
• 37:32
  SPEAKER_03: Of course, but no rules, right?
• 37:34
  SPEAKER_03: Like for me, when people are like, okay, you have to do things this way or whatever.
• 37:38
  SPEAKER_03: I'm like that now.
• 37:38
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I'm like, no, you don't.
• 37:41
  SPEAKER_03: Because people don't question things.
• 37:42
  SPEAKER_03: It's like this is how things have been done for however long, and then they just keep doing that that way.
• 37:46
  SPEAKER_03: And it's like that I don't have.
• 37:47
  SPEAKER_03: It's like, I don't, I don't think that's how it's supposed to be.
• 37:49
  SPEAKER_03: I think we're supposed to be constantly improving things, making things better, like finding new solutions.
• 37:54
  SPEAKER_03: And so people will come to me all the time.
• 37:55
  SPEAKER_03: It's like, I'm looking for a solution.
• 37:56
  SPEAKER_03: I'm like, hit me with it.
• 37:57
  SPEAKER_03: Because that's that's what does it for me.
• 37:59
  SPEAKER_03: That's what graces my peaches like.
• 38:01
  SPEAKER_01: I would agree.
• 38:01
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, let me find the solutions.
• 38:03
  SPEAKER_01: I have an odd altar personality that is very strict.
• 38:08
  SPEAKER_01: So I have a very strict set of rules for myself.
• 38:11
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 38:12
  SPEAKER_01: What how um I make the bed, yes, I work out?
• 38:17
  SPEAKER_01: You're disciplined.
• 38:18
  SPEAKER_01: I eat very disciplined.
• 38:19
  SPEAKER_01: And it's this those rules do not go undone.
• 38:23
  SPEAKER_01: That is the structure of my life.
• 38:25
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I had a friend ask me once, how do you, how long does it take you to get my kids are, I had them with all in five years.
• 38:30
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 38:31
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you rip the band-aid off.
• 38:32
  SPEAKER_01: I understand your style.
• 38:33
  SPEAKER_01: There's kids everywhere.
• 38:35
  SPEAKER_01: And they're like, How do you, how long does it take you to get them to bed?
• 38:39
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm like, 20 minutes.
• 38:41
  SPEAKER_01: They're like, what are you talking about?
• 38:42
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like, I line them up outside the bathroom door.
• 38:46
  SPEAKER_01: I wash, I hand them to my husband, he drives jammies in bed.
• 38:50
  SPEAKER_01: And they're like, You're kidding, that's crazy.
• 38:52
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm like, is it?
• 38:53
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 38:54
  SPEAKER_01: I don't think it is.
• 38:55
  SPEAKER_03: I think you can't run the way that you do if you don't have systems, right?
• 38:58
  SPEAKER_03: Because that's your system of saying, like, make my bed every day.
• 39:01
  SPEAKER_03: Fitness is non-negotiable, certain things.
• 39:03
  SPEAKER_03: And it's like, to me, that doesn't feel like punishment.
• 39:05
  SPEAKER_03: I think a lot of times people think discipline and they think it's like a punishment.
• 39:08
  SPEAKER_03: It's like, no, no, no, no, no.
• 39:09
  SPEAKER_03: That's that's the system, and you will rise or fall to whatever your systems are.
• 39:13
  SPEAKER_03: That's on you.
• 39:14
  SPEAKER_01: The system is necessary to do the next, the next portion.
• 39:17
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 39:17
  SPEAKER_01: Like I cannot not work out.
• 39:18
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I don't, I, I have it frees me from myself, which is not an easy task.
• 39:25
  SPEAKER_01: It's the only thing that frees me from myself.
• 39:28
  SPEAKER_01: If I can move faster than I move, I'm golden.
• 39:32
  SPEAKER_03: I love this.
• 39:32
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's like a flywheel or something.
• 39:34
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like, okay, I'm good.
• 39:35
  SPEAKER_01: Like I can I can relax for a few minutes.
• 39:37
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 39:38
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 39:38
  SPEAKER_03: So what do you do to relax?
• 39:40
  SPEAKER_03: Like, what does your downtime look like?
• 39:42
  SPEAKER_03: Whatever downtime you carve out.
• 39:44
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I like being outside.
• 39:45
  SPEAKER_01: So I um we bought a new house like three and oh, it'll be four years in July.
• 39:51
  SPEAKER_01: And it's the first time we ever have had a house that has so much cactus.
• 39:56
  SPEAKER_01: So we have grass, we have cactus, um, we have a we have like a uh uh acre yard, and so I have been, I plant and I cut and I and I weed and I have a hat and I have the gear, I have the gloves, I have the whole thing.
• 40:13
  SPEAKER_01: And I just tool around.
• 40:15
  SPEAKER_01: And um, it's funny because um there's a video of me of me doing something, and my I didn't really even think about this, but my aunt is like you are just like your grandfather.
• 40:27
  SPEAKER_01: She goes, you walk like him and you do all these things just like him.
• 40:32
  SPEAKER_01: But isn't it funny?
• 40:33
  SPEAKER_01: Like you, I I didn't see, but I know that now.
• 40:36
  SPEAKER_01: Like I remember him being like me, just somewhat tooling around.
• 40:40
  SPEAKER_01: And I was like, Oh yeah, I guess I do that.
• 40:42
  SPEAKER_01: But I'm uh he had a greenhouse, yeah, you know.
• 40:45
  SPEAKER_01: But I love the earth.
• 40:46
  SPEAKER_01: I feel like super great when I am dirty.
• 40:50
  SPEAKER_01: Um, my weekends I look like a homeless person.
• 40:52
  SPEAKER_01: I love that.
• 40:53
  SPEAKER_01: I'm mismatched, yeah, fairly dirty.
• 40:56
  SPEAKER_03: I love that so much.
• 40:58
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, but you know what?
• 40:59
  SPEAKER_03: That's the kind of shit that keeps you grounded.
• 41:01
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 41:01
  SPEAKER_03: You know, that's the kind of stuff where you can just connect and let your nervous system be normal so that you can run at 100 miles an hour.
• 41:07
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 41:08
  SPEAKER_01: And it's the perfectionist part of me that I want the perfect yard and I want the perfect.
• 41:14
  SPEAKER_01: And, you know, back to what my mom said, if you want it and you can't afford it, you gotta do it.
• 41:19
  SPEAKER_01: So what I do in my yard, I can't afford to.
• 41:22
  SPEAKER_01: It would be like 25 hours a week, and I'd have to pay somebody to go do that.
• 41:27
  SPEAKER_01: And I I don't want to pay that many.
• 41:29
  SPEAKER_01: I think I can do it.
• 41:30
  SPEAKER_01: I can learn.
• 41:30
  SPEAKER_01: So I've learned how to like, I think it's called propagating.
• 41:33
  SPEAKER_01: Yep.
• 41:34
  SPEAKER_01: So I've I've taught, I've showed all my friends how I do this and how many, how many of these I've done and how many I've replanted in my yard.
• 41:41
  SPEAKER_01: And so yeah, I love it.
• 41:43
  SPEAKER_01: That's so incredibly awesome.
• 41:44
  SPEAKER_01: And it's quiet for me.
• 41:46
  SPEAKER_01: I'm by myself, got my granddogs around, but I I don't have to talk to anybody, and it's just nice.
• 41:53
  SPEAKER_03: When you started off, when you're talking about your mom telling you, you know, that you have to make it and all of the things, I think back to the life.
• 42:01
  SPEAKER_03: Well, I think about the life that I live right now, and I think back to the Anne little girl version.
• 42:08
  SPEAKER_03: And I always knew where I was going to go in life, which was just, I felt like I got dropped down in the wrong fucking place on this planet.
• 42:16
  SPEAKER_03: I was like, you know, we were poor as shit, like all of the things.
• 42:19
  SPEAKER_03: And I was willing to do whatever it took.
• 42:20
  SPEAKER_03: And so I just have clawed and scratched and done all of the things to get myself to this place.
• 42:25
  SPEAKER_03: But also I always believed that that was a good thing.
• 42:28
  SPEAKER_03: Exactly.
• 42:28
  SPEAKER_03: And so, yeah.
• 42:29
  SPEAKER_03: So it's like you you visualize, you feel the emotion of what it will feel like.
• 42:34
  SPEAKER_03: And to me, especially when you get to this place where you understand that your thoughts are emotions, your emotions are whatever, that's your reality.
• 42:41
  SPEAKER_03: And so we're just now talking about this as mainstream nowadays, but it's like that's what I was doing this whole fucking time.
• 42:46
  SPEAKER_03: And I love that so much.
• 42:47
  SPEAKER_03: And so it's like trying to share with other people.
• 42:50
  SPEAKER_03: Don't let anything else, don't let anyone tell you.
• 42:52
  SPEAKER_03: Yes, people told me I was crazy all the time over the years, whatever, right?
• 42:55
  SPEAKER_03: I even now the stuff that I'm doing.
• 42:57
  SPEAKER_03: I'm like, I'm doing this and project, and I'm like, my my big vision is um, you know, promoting unity uh over division because I just think we're all so divided and all of these things, and everyone's like, what's your goal?
• 43:07
  SPEAKER_03: And I'm like, to change the world.
• 43:08
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I'm starting a global global movement.
• 43:11
  SPEAKER_03: I'm gonna change the world.
• 43:12
  SPEAKER_03: I am also going to change the world.
• 43:15
  SPEAKER_01: It's like I haven't had a chance to tell you, but I am also going to do that.
• 43:19
  SPEAKER_03: Tell me this, or do I want to talk about this afterwards?
• 43:21
  SPEAKER_03: Your choice.
• 43:22
  SPEAKER_03: This is this is how crazy it is because people look at me like, oh my God.
• 43:26
  SPEAKER_03: And I'm like, I don't care if you look at me like that.
• 43:28
  SPEAKER_03: This is what my highest excitement is.
• 43:30
  SPEAKER_03: And I fucking believe I have what it takes to do it because I'm willing to go all in on what my gut tells me is the right thing to do.
• 43:37
  SPEAKER_03: And it's like, I believe collectively we're sick.
• 43:40
  SPEAKER_03: I just do.
• 43:41
  SPEAKER_03: I believe with the fear and the and everything that that just everybody fear mongers and it's rooted in everything.
• 43:47
  SPEAKER_03: I believe that when you can change somebody from a negative to a positive, it changes everything, right?
• 43:52
  SPEAKER_03: And you have to start by being that person and all of the things.
• 43:54
  SPEAKER_03: But I'm like, I can fucking do this.
• 43:56
  SPEAKER_03: You have to believe that it's true.
• 43:58
  SPEAKER_01: Like you have to know about like you.
• 44:00
  SPEAKER_01: You can see it, you can visualize it.
• 44:01
  SPEAKER_01: So my changing the world is that I want to I want to change how food is made.
• 44:09
  SPEAKER_01: Like I want us to go back to the beginning.
• 44:11
  SPEAKER_01: Like the reason part of my the vision in the sports world was like if I could get so many sports teams who are so like well thought of and so good, and I could get clout, and then if I got clout, I could go to the farms and I could say, I don't want to, I don't want you to, I want you to farm this way for me.
• 44:28
  SPEAKER_01: I'll buy all your food, but this is how we want you to farm.
• 44:31
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 44:31
  SPEAKER_01: Because as you know, it doesn't exist.
• 44:33
  SPEAKER_01: But I and that's changing the world.
• 44:35
  SPEAKER_01: Because then those farms, then I could go to schools and say, You could you should use my farm.
• 44:41
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's better food, it's food food.
• 44:43
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, right.
• 44:44
  SPEAKER_01: So that's my that's how I want to change the world.
• 44:46
  SPEAKER_03: So we'll we'll meet at the end.
• 44:48
  SPEAKER_03: Yes, we will.
• 44:48
  SPEAKER_03: Isn't that it's so much fun to have that kind of energy and to know that you can do that?
• 44:52
  SPEAKER_03: And like you said, you you you visualize that, you feel the emotion of that, you know that you have what it takes.
• 44:57
  SPEAKER_03: To me, it's necessary.
• 44:58
  SPEAKER_03: Like to you, it's necessary.
• 44:59
  SPEAKER_03: 100%.
• 45:00
  SPEAKER_03: Like if we don't do it, what are we gonna do?
• 45:02
  SPEAKER_03: 100%.
• 45:02
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 45:02
  SPEAKER_03: You know, people say that they look at me like I'm crazy, and I'm like, there are no other options.
• 45:06
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 45:06
  SPEAKER_03: When you feel that pull, when you feel how powerful that is, that you're being called to do something.
• 45:11
  SPEAKER_03: I was telling my husband, I'm like, I literally feel like I'm just being drug along.
• 45:14
  SPEAKER_03: Happily, happily, because I enjoy every single day, right?
• 45:17
  SPEAKER_03: And it's like, okay, we're gonna create this and we're gonna create that.
• 45:20
  SPEAKER_03: And I look at things and it's like, okay, well, you have to have this to have a platform, or you have to have this to be able to do that, just what you're talking about of like, okay, if I don't have a sports team and I need to be able to do that, where do I start?
• 45:28
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 45:28
  SPEAKER_03: Gotta find a sports team.
• 45:29
  SPEAKER_03: And then it's easier to get the next one and the next one than you know, all of the steps that it takes.
• 45:33
  SPEAKER_01: But if you don't start, yeah, how are you gonna make the change?
• 45:37
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and the the vision may be far off.
• 45:40
  SPEAKER_01: It it depends, right?
• 45:41
  SPEAKER_01: It could happen tomorrow, or it could happen, or it could happen in in 20 years.
• 45:46
  SPEAKER_01: I I at least want to be part of the to move things forward.
• 45:50
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you know.
• 45:51
  SPEAKER_03: Well, and I and I think it's possible, you're magnetic, you're you you know, when you vibrate at the the frequency that you do, you just pull those those opportunities, those collaborations, those people into you.
• 46:01
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you feel like that?
• 46:02
  SPEAKER_01: I do now.
• 46:02
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, I didn't I didn't understand that before either, but I mean, I'm a woman, and so are you, in a world that still is not entirely built for us.
• 46:13
  SPEAKER_01: Um and I so I belong to entrepreneurs' groups I have for the longest time, and those have really taught me a lot.
• 46:22
  SPEAKER_01: But I was there was very few women, right?
• 46:25
  SPEAKER_01: And so I still get that feeling that I'm looked at as a woman.
• 46:32
  SPEAKER_01: And I I don't, I I don't know, do I love it, do I hate it?
• 46:35
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
• 46:35
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know if I have enough time to think about it.
• 46:36
  SPEAKER_01: I just know that it exists, right?
• 46:39
  SPEAKER_01: And I wonder sometimes, because I think women tend to be a little bit more thoughtful in our endeavors.
• 46:46
  SPEAKER_01: Um like I don't like there's opportunities like to maybe fuck people over that I wouldn't do.
• 46:52
  SPEAKER_01: Do you know what I mean?
• 46:53
  SPEAKER_01: Like take a shortcut that wouldn't be true to the deal.
• 46:57
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, like and I I don't I think women are more thoughtful.
• 47:00
  SPEAKER_01: I agree.
• 47:01
  SPEAKER_01: So maybe opportunities haven't come my way because I'm not going to be a dude.
• 47:08
  SPEAKER_03: I think that's the best thing about you.
• 47:11
  SPEAKER_03: But it's interesting, right?
• 47:12
  SPEAKER_03: In a world that is still run by a lot of dudes.
• 47:16
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 47:16
  SPEAKER_03: You said that really, really lovely.
• 47:18
  SPEAKER_03: Um living in a world that's not quite built for us.
• 47:23
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 47:24
  SPEAKER_03: And also, okay, right.
• 47:26
  SPEAKER_03: I don't come from this place of you know being sour about that.
• 47:29
  SPEAKER_03: I just that's just what it is, right?
• 47:31
  SPEAKER_01: When you more of us would just get on the bus, maybe we could like lock arms.
• 47:36
  SPEAKER_01: I agree.
• 47:36
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, like help me help all of us, right?
• 47:40
  SPEAKER_01: The more that that get in the game, the better chance we have of supporting each other.
• 47:44
  SPEAKER_03: There's just, yeah.
• 47:46
  SPEAKER_03: Do you know what I find myself at when it comes to what you're saying, as far as you know, women and more of us linking arms and stuff?
• 47:53
  SPEAKER_03: Um, there's a lot of women out there, and I'm gonna say the majority that I've come across that are still doing like baby bitch high school behavior.
• 48:00
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 48:01
  SPEAKER_03: And for me, it's like, ladies, we gotta stop doing that.
• 48:03
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 48:04
  SPEAKER_03: We have to be able to support one another's wins because me lighting someone else's candle doesn't do anything to my flame.
• 48:09
  SPEAKER_03: No.
• 48:10
  SPEAKER_03: Right?
• 48:10
  SPEAKER_03: And and being able to do that where it's not you leave the room and then I'm talking shit about you behind your back because I watch that kind of behavior and I'm like, not in my circles, ladies.
• 48:19
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 48:19
  SPEAKER_03: If I have a new gal that comes into any of my circles, I swear to God, we have a conversation.
• 48:23
  SPEAKER_03: I will go have lunch, breakfast, or coffee with them, and I will say, we don't do that shit in my group.
• 48:27
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I don't give a fuck if you like it or not.
• 48:30
  SPEAKER_03: Don't come around if that's not your vibe, because we only we only champion for one another, we only celebrate one another's wins.
• 48:35
  SPEAKER_03: And that doesn't mean it has to be all like roses and stuff, but it isn't bullshit where you're talking shit about somebody's yeah, whatever they are with their flapping their balls in the breeze out there and making fun of them or not supporting them.
• 48:46
  SPEAKER_03: I fucking hate that for women.
• 48:47
  SPEAKER_01: It's so interesting.
• 48:48
  SPEAKER_01: So I'm gonna tell you I have this opposite the thought.
• 48:52
  SPEAKER_01: It's not even a theory, it's just how I think.
• 48:54
  SPEAKER_01: But you sort of changed how I think.
• 48:56
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 48:56
  SPEAKER_01: And um I am resigned.
• 49:03
  SPEAKER_01: I feel resigned to that people talk shit about me.
• 49:07
  SPEAKER_03: And I think okay, it doesn't bother me at all for me.
• 49:11
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 49:11
  SPEAKER_03: No, no, no, I don't give a shit about it for me.
• 49:13
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 49:13
  SPEAKER_03: You can judge me all you want, but if you come into my group and you talk shit about other people, you're causing cancer.
• 49:19
  SPEAKER_03: That's to me, to me, that's cancer, and you have to be fucking cut out.
• 49:22
  SPEAKER_03: And I just I don't have a problem doing the hard thing.
• 49:24
  SPEAKER_03: I'm just like, you're not the vibe.
• 49:26
  SPEAKER_03: So sorry.
• 49:26
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I you know I mean I agree.
• 49:28
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
• 49:28
  SPEAKER_03: No, people talk shit about me all the time.
• 49:29
  SPEAKER_03: Okay, I'm just like, no, no, no, no, no, no.
• 49:32
  SPEAKER_03: Don't get it twisted.
• 49:33
  SPEAKER_03: I don't give a fuck about that.
• 49:34
  SPEAKER_03: Like, I'm not for everybody and I know that, right?
• 49:36
  SPEAKER_03: So it's like, I'm not sure.
• 49:37
  SPEAKER_03: I'm a acquired taste.
• 49:39
  SPEAKER_03: I'm a very acquired taste.
• 49:41
  SPEAKER_03: And also, I don't care.
• 49:42
  SPEAKER_03: In my mind, the way that I operate is that I'm the one holding the paintbrush.
• 49:46
  SPEAKER_03: And so I just assume everyone likes me because I'm not going to do this whole thing where it's like, did she mean this with that?
• 49:52
  SPEAKER_03: Or I don't have fucking time for that.
• 49:54
  SPEAKER_03: And so I just say in my in my world, everybody likes me.
• 49:57
  SPEAKER_03: If you don't like me, change your channel, stay away, go do whatever the fuck you want to.
• 50:00
  SPEAKER_03: I don't give a shit, right?
• 50:01
  SPEAKER_03: If you have a valid concern and you know, I value your opinion, you've been in the arena with me, or you're in your own arena, right?
• 50:07
  SPEAKER_03: Then I'll absolutely take your take your feedback or your criticisms or your comments or whatever.
• 50:12
  SPEAKER_03: From the outside, if you're my cheap seats, I don't care.
• 50:14
  SPEAKER_03: And people talk shit all the time.
• 50:15
  SPEAKER_03: That I don't care about.
• 50:16
  SPEAKER_03: But it's like in your friend group where it's like, you know, you have this people where so-and-so leaves the room, and then there's that, you know, those girls that talk shit about one another about like, right.
• 50:23
  SPEAKER_03: Can you believe what she did or this or that?
• 50:25
  SPEAKER_03: Whatever.
• 50:25
  SPEAKER_03: I'm like, mm-mm.
• 50:26
  SPEAKER_03: We're not in high school, ladies.
• 50:27
  SPEAKER_03: We're not in fucking high school.
• 50:28
  SPEAKER_03: I don't know why you girls didn't get rid of that shit.
• 50:30
  SPEAKER_03: We don't play like that here.
• 50:31
  SPEAKER_03: I think that's bitch behavior.
• 50:32
  SPEAKER_03: I'm not doing it.
• 50:33
  SPEAKER_01: I yeah, I would agree.
• 50:35
  SPEAKER_01: I don't have time for it.
• 50:36
  SPEAKER_01: No, who does it like?
• 50:38
  SPEAKER_01: It's mostly like I feel like if we talk, if I I have a really great group of friends, if we're talking about someone, it tends to be more out of care.
• 50:44
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, sure, sure, sure, sure, sure.
• 50:46
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, yeah.
• 50:46
  SPEAKER_01: I just told my friend, which this hurt her feelings.
• 50:48
  SPEAKER_01: I said, Oh, we were talking shit about you at Bunko last time.
• 50:52
  SPEAKER_01: And she goes, Why?
• 50:54
  SPEAKER_01: And I go, I love it.
• 50:56
  SPEAKER_01: Why?
• 50:56
  SPEAKER_01: Tell me what I did for you.
• 50:57
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I go, no, because you didn't come.
• 50:59
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 50:59
  SPEAKER_01: And we missed you.
• 51:00
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 51:01
  SPEAKER_01: I love it.
• 51:02
  SPEAKER_03: Which is perfect.
• 51:02
  SPEAKER_03: And that's the right amount of shit.
• 51:04
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 51:04
  SPEAKER_03: You you understand what I'm saying when I'm talking about the gall that we're coming.
• 51:08
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, it's like, it's like biting at one another.
• 51:10
  SPEAKER_03: You're talking shit, you know, people are talking shit about different things that others are doing to make, you know, to improve themselves.
• 51:16
  SPEAKER_03: So it's like you lose people in life because and and people will say, like, you've changed.
• 51:21
  SPEAKER_03: I'm like, that's the game.
• 51:22
  SPEAKER_03: We're all supposed to change.
• 51:23
  SPEAKER_03: That's the problem.
• 51:24
  SPEAKER_03: You haven't.
• 51:25
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 51:25
  SPEAKER_03: Right?
• 51:25
  SPEAKER_03: That's the problem.
• 51:26
  SPEAKER_03: The gap has gotten too big.
• 51:28
  SPEAKER_03: I've actually had to break up with friends recently where um the gap got too big.
• 51:32
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 51:32
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 51:32
  SPEAKER_03: Because I am growing at a rate that I think we're supposed to be.
• 51:35
  SPEAKER_03: If you're not putting into yourself and bettering yourself on all fronts, whether it's personal business, like whatever, I think we're meant to do that.
• 51:43
  SPEAKER_03: That's why they have that saying a reason, a season, or a lifetime.
• 51:46
  SPEAKER_03: If that's why they have it.
• 51:47
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 51:48
  SPEAKER_03: Just for just for us.
• 51:49
  SPEAKER_03: Exactly.
• 51:49
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 51:50
  SPEAKER_03: And I think if you look back a year and you don't go, oh my God, so much has changed in a year, I think you're doing it wrong.
• 51:54
  SPEAKER_03: That's just that's just me personally.
• 51:57
  SPEAKER_03: You know, I think we're meant to just continue to evolve and grow and expand our minds and all of those things.
• 52:02
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 52:03
  SPEAKER_03: If you're doing the same thing, sitting on the same bar stool at the end of the same bar, bitching about the and complaining about the exact same things, that's the wasted potential that is uh is involved in that is sad to me.
• 52:13
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 52:14
  SPEAKER_03: Because I think we're all meant to bring whatever our why then.
• 52:17
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 52:17
  SPEAKER_01: But then why?
• 52:18
  SPEAKER_01: Why, what what is the damn, what's the problem?
• 52:21
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 52:21
  SPEAKER_01: Do you know what that is?
• 52:22
  SPEAKER_01: Like, do you know why somebody would not move and just speak fear?
• 52:27
  SPEAKER_03: 100%.
• 52:28
  SPEAKER_03: We're the people that are still in high school that are afraid they're gonna look silly, that are afraid, fill in the brand blanks I'm afraid of, and then fill in the blanks.
• 52:36
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 52:36
  SPEAKER_03: When when when I've I've done enough stuff over the last 10 years to really take a good look at fear and what it gets into because there's so much stuff that's rooted in fear, and you've got everything coming at you that all it does is promote it, right?
• 52:49
  SPEAKER_03: You look at organized religion, you look at politics, you look at the media, you look at it fear, fear, fear, fear.
• 52:54
  SPEAKER_03: Everything is rooted in fear.
• 52:56
  SPEAKER_03: And so I don't blame people when they're doing that, but also, hey guys, there's a different way, and there's a way better way to run this life.
• 53:02
  SPEAKER_03: And to me, it's like a fucking game.
• 53:04
  SPEAKER_03: So that's your mission.
• 53:06
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, 100%.
• 53:07
  SPEAKER_03: 100% to get the people to map out of it.
• 53:10
  SPEAKER_03: 100%.
• 53:11
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I'm I'm I'm serving up a big job.
• 53:13
  SPEAKER_03: I'm serving I do.
• 53:14
  SPEAKER_03: I have I'm serving up medicine.
• 53:16
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 53:16
  SPEAKER_03: Because I think people don't realize that they're the problem in their own lives.
• 53:20
  SPEAKER_03: But if you're the problem, here's the great news you can also be the solution, right?
• 53:24
  SPEAKER_03: And I just don't think people realize that.
• 53:25
  SPEAKER_03: It's like there's no one else that's out there that's holding you back besides yourself.
• 53:30
  SPEAKER_03: You've built this cage around yourself with limiting beliefs and with all of the things.
• 53:34
  SPEAKER_03: The cage is open, you guys, you can get out whenever you want to.
• 53:36
  SPEAKER_03: And so just trying to share that with people, and and I'm I'm this like very energetic hummingbird who's like all the time.
• 53:43
  SPEAKER_03: And so I, you know, it's hard for me to pull that back enough to like speak where I can share the information where people are like, okay, yeah, I do want to do something that's different, you know.
• 53:55
  SPEAKER_03: If I'm one-on-one with people, no problems.
• 53:57
  SPEAKER_03: I have you, no problems.
• 53:58
  SPEAKER_03: Like, I'll I'll convert you from negative to positive, just as it's a matter of time.
• 54:02
  SPEAKER_03: And it's a game for me.
• 54:05
  SPEAKER_03: You know, I do the podcast.
• 54:07
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 54:08
  SPEAKER_03: Um, I haven't done public speaking yet.
• 54:11
  SPEAKER_03: I have prepared for that because the universe told me that that's the direction that's I'm gonna get pulled into.
• 54:16
  SPEAKER_03: Um, but haven't had the opportunity to do that yet.
• 54:18
  SPEAKER_03: So I'm just waiting for the knock on the door from the universe that says, and also I just pursue different things where it feels like, okay, I'm supposed to go in this direction, I'm supposed to go in this direction.
• 54:26
  SPEAKER_03: Um, but this is all new stuff for me.
• 54:28
  SPEAKER_03: You know, I did this life of very masculine, I was very in my masculine of being able to produce and then reward, produce and then reward and writing the book and doing the show and you know, the and project, which is this whole like, I'm gonna change the world.
• 54:43
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 54:43
  SPEAKER_03: Uh that's that's what calls to me.
• 54:45
  SPEAKER_03: That's what feeds my soul.
• 54:46
  SPEAKER_03: And I watch as the people that I work one-on-one with, um, it, it, it's, it's mind-boggling.
• 54:52
  SPEAKER_03: It's humbling, it's mind-boggling.
• 54:54
  SPEAKER_03: And just being able to watch as people shed this fear and be able to live their own lives from this place of their own authenticities, right?
• 55:01
  SPEAKER_03: Where they didn't even realize what it was because things are so mucked up.
• 55:04
  SPEAKER_03: You know, I think so many people are so we're we're just like a society of numbers where it doesn't matter what your numb of choice is, it can be food or alcohol or drugs or porn or you know, whatever your shopping, whatever your choice is, doom scrolling, TV.
• 55:18
  SPEAKER_03: Um, we numb out so much that we lose whatever that untapped potential is.
• 55:21
  SPEAKER_03: And so it just gets wasted because people don't even realize.
• 55:24
  SPEAKER_03: But we're meant to collectively contribute whatever your highest excitement is.
• 55:30
  SPEAKER_03: And people just don't even spend enough time in, you know, with themselves to figure out what their highest excitement is.
• 55:35
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 55:35
  SPEAKER_01: And then also to be good with a whatever that is.
• 55:37
  SPEAKER_01: Like if 100% you like there's so much shame, right?
• 55:41
  SPEAKER_01: And like being a stay-home mom or being a working mom, like we have no breaks, like you're gonna breastfeed or you're not gonna breastfeed.
• 55:49
  SPEAKER_01: Like it's all it's all wrong, it's all wrong.
• 55:53
  SPEAKER_01: Whatever you're you've chosen, you're wrong and wrong.
• 55:56
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and it's so you can sort of get beat up a lot.
• 55:58
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, um, yeah, I I find it fascinating.
• 56:02
  SPEAKER_01: And and the choices, you know, people make choices.
• 56:05
  SPEAKER_01: I I think it's okay to look back and think, I would rather have not done that choice, but it's also okay to know that and then to move on from it.
• 56:14
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 56:14
  SPEAKER_03: Because also I think you do you've probably lived from this same thing where I don't slow down enough to really evaluate it from this.
• 56:21
  SPEAKER_03: Okay, let's look at so so I I shoot first, I ask questions later.
• 56:25
  SPEAKER_03: Maybe usually I don't even slow down long enough to ask questions, but I'll learn from whatever the mistakes were.
• 56:29
  SPEAKER_03: Um, but when you come from that perspective, we're just going.
• 56:33
  SPEAKER_03: I have this urgency about my time on this earth.
• 56:37
  SPEAKER_03: And I do feel like I have a big task ahead of me because I think when people change from negative to positive, when they change from it, feels like literally like a one of those little watch batteries, yeah.
• 56:46
  SPEAKER_03: That it's negative.
• 56:48
  SPEAKER_03: And whatever side you have up is going to be the life experience that you have.
• 56:52
  SPEAKER_03: I truly believe that at my core.
• 56:53
  SPEAKER_03: It's just a matter of convincing people like, hey, your negative side up with your victim card, you know, held really high and like all of that stuff.
• 57:00
  SPEAKER_03: You're the one who has the power to change that.
• 57:03
  SPEAKER_03: And then just showing them that.
• 57:05
  SPEAKER_01: Just change our mind.
• 57:06
  SPEAKER_03: It just is.
• 57:06
  SPEAKER_03: It's like just change your mind.
• 57:08
  SPEAKER_03: That's literally all you have to do.
• 57:09
  SPEAKER_03: You have to just change your mindset and realize.
• 57:11
  SPEAKER_03: Just change.
• 57:12
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 57:12
  SPEAKER_03: And and when you do that, it isn't like you have to fix all of the little problems.
• 57:15
  SPEAKER_03: No, you just fix that one.
• 57:17
  SPEAKER_03: Everything changes.
• 57:18
  SPEAKER_03: And so it's like convincing people of that.
• 57:21
  SPEAKER_03: That's why part of the doing the show is like I bring a bunch of people on that just show different ways that they can do that.
• 57:26
  SPEAKER_03: Um, just in hopes that somebody will resonate with someone to be able to say, like, it doesn't, you don't have to live this mediocre life on hamster on this hamster wheel.
• 57:35
  SPEAKER_01: No, it's just not.
• 57:37
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I don't believe that.
• 57:38
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 57:39
  SPEAKER_01: Well, you know I don't believe that.
• 57:40
  SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
• 57:41
  SPEAKER_03: I don't believe that.
• 57:42
  SPEAKER_03: Susan, please tell everyone, uh, our listeners, where they can find you or connect with you.
• 57:47
  SPEAKER_03: Or maybe you don't want to share that.
• 57:48
  SPEAKER_03: Maybe call me.
• 57:50
  SPEAKER_01: Maybe you're too busy with other things.
• 57:51
  SPEAKER_01: But um, so I have um my company is called one of my companies is called the Herbox.
• 57:56
  SPEAKER_01: We have two locations.
• 57:57
  SPEAKER_01: One is right down the street here in Old Town Scottsdale.
• 57:59
  SPEAKER_03: I've been to it.
• 57:59
  SPEAKER_01: And then one is on um Shea and Scottsdale.
• 58:02
  SPEAKER_01: We have two more going into the North Scottsdale neighborhood in the next 12 months.
• 58:06
  SPEAKER_01: So I am always around.
• 58:08
  SPEAKER_01: I work, I I'm a I'm a I'm an old-fashioned dad.
• 58:12
  SPEAKER_01: I go to work every day.
• 58:13
  SPEAKER_01: That's what I do.
• 58:14
  SPEAKER_01: I love that.
• 58:15
  SPEAKER_01: And I go home between five and six, and that's how I run my life.
• 58:19
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but that's what I do, and that's where I'm at.
• 58:21
  SPEAKER_01: Excellent.
• 58:21
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 58:22
  SPEAKER_03: Susan, thank you for taking your time and and sharing your energy with me.
• 58:25
  SPEAKER_03: This has been excellent.
• 58:26
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you.
• 58:27
  SPEAKER_03: Um, that's our time for today.
• 58:28
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