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Full Show Podcast: 18 December 2025 · Early Edition with Ryan Bridge

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Speaker 1: The issues, the interviews and the insight. Andrew Dickens on
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Speaker 2: Welcome, oning't you and welcome to my last early edition
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Speaker 2: of the year and coming up over the next hour.
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Speaker 2: A coroner's report tells us the agency is helping to
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Speaker 2: prevent suicide, are letting too many young people fall through
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Speaker 2: the gaps. So why is that happening? That story in
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Speaker 2: five road Cone hysteria gave us a hotline. Now it's gone.
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Speaker 2: What happened there? That story in ten and this week
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Speaker 2: we found out the state of the government's books. Today
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Speaker 2: we'll find out just how the country is going with
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Speaker 2: the GDP figures out west PAX predictions. Just before six,
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Speaker 2: we'll have correspondence from America and right around New Zealand
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Speaker 2: and news as it breaks, and you can have your
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Speaker 2: say by using the text machine. And the number there
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Speaker 2: is ninety two ninety two. A small charge applies. It's
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Speaker 2: seven up to five the agenda. So it's Thursday, the
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Speaker 2: eighteenth of December. Naved Akra, the surviving suspect in Sunday's
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Speaker 2: mass shooting at Bundai Beach in Sydney has been charged
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Speaker 2: with fifty nine offenses, including fifteen counts of murder at
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Speaker 2: one of committing a terrorist act. Meanwhile, the first of
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Speaker 2: the funerals has taken place in Sydney. It's very emotional,
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Speaker 2: thousands gathering to mourn. Rabbi Eli Schlanger.
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Speaker 3: You're my son, my friend's confidence, Christian whyn't you.
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Speaker 2: For sec and ten year old Matilda's parents have spoken
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Speaker 2: publicly for the first time.
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Speaker 3: Matilda was born in Australia and I thought that Matilda's
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Speaker 3: who was Australian name exist.
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Speaker 2: All right to the world and America and Venezuela. Trump
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Speaker 2: has ordered a total and complete blockade of sanctioned oil tankers.
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Speaker 2: He's labeled Maduro's regime a foreign terrorist outfit, accusing it
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Speaker 2: of dre in human trafficking.
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Speaker 4: This is a campaign pressure to try to get rid
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Speaker 4: of the government led by Nikolas Maduro. That pressure has
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Speaker 4: not been enough for now. I perceive an information that
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Speaker 4: it has served partially to produce more cohesion among the
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Speaker 4: course of ours field supporting Nicolas Malulo in country.
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Speaker 2: And to La and Los Angeles. Persecutors have charged Nick
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Speaker 2: Rhiner with murder over the deaths of his parents, the
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Speaker 2: filmmaker Rob Rhiner and his wife Michelle.
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Speaker 4: Your loss is beyond tragic, and we have we will
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Speaker 4: commit ourselves to bringing their murder to justice.
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Speaker 2: He faces two counts of first degree murder with aggravating circumstances.
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Speaker 2: Life without parole or even the death penalty is on
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Speaker 2: the table. It is now nine minutes after five.
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Speaker 1: The news you need this morning and the in depth
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Speaker 1: analysis earlier this year within Andrew Dickens and are the Supercenter,
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Speaker 2: Well, I've never had a problem with road cones. I
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Speaker 2: have had a problem with excessively expensive traffic management plans
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Speaker 2: that have prevented many events from even taking place. But
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Speaker 2: road cones don't trigger me. Road cones protect roadworkers and
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Speaker 2: construction workers, and those workers are making things better for
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Speaker 2: the future, and the road cones are not there forever
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Speaker 2: and where the projectors finished, the road cones disappear, and
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Speaker 2: Orkanders are seeing this, and Orkanders are finally coming to
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Speaker 2: an end of inner city improvements, and the road cones
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Speaker 2: are disappearing, and therefore the moaning frenzy is abasing abaiting.
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Speaker 2: So I see road cones as a symptom of progress. Now,
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Speaker 2: the rogue cone hotline always seem like a stunt to me.
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Speaker 2: It appealed to talk back callers who didn't have the
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Speaker 2: patience to drive slowly around a working site. It was
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Speaker 2: an easy sound bite to bleat about, like psycho waves.
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Speaker 2: They were a moan that united us. And so it's
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Speaker 2: turned out with the government gassing its own ideas and
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Speaker 2: getting rid of the road cone hotline. But in their
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Speaker 2: report there was a damning fact. Of all the cones investigated,
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Speaker 2: eighty six percent were compliant. So if you really believe
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Speaker 2: we overcone ourselves, and you believe we could survive with fewer,
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Speaker 2: then the obvious answer was not to make a hotline.
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Speaker 2: It was simply to change the rules with immediate effects.
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Speaker 2: So over road coding was no longer compliant. Well, that
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Speaker 2: is actually happening, but extraordinarily slowly. And here here's the thing.
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Speaker 2: N z TA says, all councilors must be fully compliant
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Speaker 2: with a new guidance that'll get rid of too many
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Speaker 2: road cones. That is not happening till the first of July.
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Speaker 2: And that is not happening till twenty twenty seven News
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Speaker 2: Talk said, be So we've got a coroner who's pointed out,
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Speaker 2: has been investigating the suicides of six young people let's
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Speaker 2: call them kids, let's call them children, six young children.
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Speaker 2: And these kids were in contact with a number of agencies,
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Speaker 2: and yet somehow they didn't get the help and their
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Speaker 2: family didn't get the help they need. So how does
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Speaker 2: this happen when we've got so many agencies and we've
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Speaker 2: been talking about this for so long. So I'm going
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Speaker 2: to talk in a few moments time to Sarah Chapman,
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Speaker 2: who is a psychologist at Mine Works and is well
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Speaker 2: known for her work in the sphere. Because this is
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Speaker 2: not acceptable news talks, there'd be It's eleven minutes after five,
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Speaker 2: get ahead.
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Speaker 1: Of the headlines on early edition with Andrew Dickens and
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Speaker 2: So Krain and Tanya Teti Haha says the system is
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Speaker 2: broken after probing the suicides of six young people, these
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Speaker 2: young people that she looked at age between twelve and seventeen. Now,
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Speaker 2: some of these children, some of these young people had
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Speaker 2: contact with up to seventeen agencies and yet still fell
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Speaker 2: through the gaps and the corner's messages blunt streamline care
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Speaker 2: or this will keep happening. My work psychologist Sarah Chatwin
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Speaker 2: is with me this morning. Good morning to you, Sarah. Sorry, Sarah,
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Speaker 2: my mouse is not working. I'll use my finger. No,
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Speaker 2: that doesn't work either. There we go, got you on,
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Speaker 2: I got it. I've got a sticky house, so there
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Speaker 2: we go.
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Speaker 5: Oh dear, we don't want one of those this early
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Speaker 5: in the morning, Sarah.
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Speaker 2: How on earth does this happen? How do so many
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Speaker 2: children slip through cracks?
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Speaker 5: That was a particularly hard read, And you know, it's
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Speaker 5: hard to not be yet another voice suggesting that the
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Speaker 5: needs of the rang and tahi are not being met
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Speaker 5: by an enormous amount of services and groups that don't
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Speaker 5: seem to be interfacing, sharing information, you know, picking up
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Speaker 5: on the need, picking up on those cares who are
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Speaker 5: presenting in a way that must be you know, somewhat
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Speaker 5: clear in these situations. So you know, it's just hard
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Speaker 5: not to sound like another person who says the continuity
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Speaker 5: of care when dealing with these kids going through these
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Speaker 5: issues is just wow. It ain't there right, No.
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Speaker 2: Well, with so many agencies seventeen some had contact with seventeen,
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Speaker 2: you have to wonder whether the left hand knows what
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Speaker 2: the right hand is doing, and whether the right hand
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Speaker 2: is actually just presuming and assuming that the left hand
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Speaker 2: is doing all the work and when it isn't.
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Speaker 5: Happening, and even if that isn't the case, and it
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Speaker 5: clearly looks to be that because there is no continuity
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Speaker 5: of care, because the conversation, the transparency between agencies, I mean,
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Speaker 5: it just can't exist or in a form that's workable.
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Speaker 5: You think to yourself, wow, we can understand the coroner's suggestion,
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Speaker 5: you know, about providing a single coordinated care pathway. Yes,
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Speaker 5: that sounds tremendous. But then of course we go to
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Speaker 5: the fact of, okay, how do we do that? So
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Speaker 5: we have all these agencies up to seventeen and the
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Speaker 5: kids that were highlighted in this article were I think six,
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Speaker 5: you know, they had been through they had seen thirteen agencies,
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Speaker 5: seventeen agencies. They had experienced, you know, a raft of situations, bullying,
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Speaker 5: domestic violence, you know, disconnection with far no family parents.
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Speaker 5: The symptoms were very, very similar in most cases and
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Speaker 5: they had been in front of these agencies, but for
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Speaker 5: whatever reason, whether it was the lack of transparency, so
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Speaker 5: one agency picked it up but didn't transmit to another
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Speaker 5: agency when they lost the child because clearly the child
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Speaker 5: wasn't seeing them all at the same time, there weren't
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Speaker 5: any of those markers, any of well, any people putting
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Speaker 5: their hands up and saying, hey, we are seeing this
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Speaker 5: person now and then and ongoing. So clearly something has
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Speaker 5: to be more focused with regard to this particular person,
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Speaker 5: with regard to that particular person, But it's just not
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Speaker 5: happening being identified or being followed through with.
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Speaker 2: If they create a single coordinated care pathway, it's still
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Speaker 2: going to be the same people that start it, and
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Speaker 2: they've just been amalgamated into one unit.
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Speaker 5: So well, I think the key is that that doesn't happen.
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Speaker 5: The key is that if you are providing a single
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Speaker 5: coordinated care pathway, you clearly have to change the people up.
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Speaker 5: You clearly have to put people in place that have,
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Speaker 5: you know, communication skills, the ability to be transparent, the
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Speaker 5: willingness to deal with these issues, not just have thinking
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Speaker 5: groups and focus groups and documentation that proves that we
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Speaker 5: have this problem oh, yes, in New Zealand, we clearly
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Speaker 5: have this problem. We are being used by other countries
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Speaker 5: as a country with a huge problem with regard to
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Speaker 5: teen suicide grapes. So I think you're right. It can't
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Speaker 5: be an amalgamation. A single pathway that the coroner suggests
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Speaker 5: cannot be just an amalgamation of what we're going on
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Speaker 5: with at the moment with the same people, because clearly
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Speaker 5: this isn't working, and the people who are in this
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Speaker 5: system there may be some who don't work, so it
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Speaker 5: has to be changed up and looked at. This will
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Speaker 5: take time, and this will take resources, all.
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Speaker 2: Right, Sarah chah And and I thank you. Yes, attending a
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Speaker 2: meeting in a room is not actually helping a kid
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Speaker 2: in any way, shape or form. James Murray twelve, Maya
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Speaker 2: Marshall fourteen, Hamawera elis Adache seventeen, Marty Leffen, Romanoli fifteen,
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Speaker 2: Summer Mills, Mecca fifteen, A Tarier Heater sixteen on behalf
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Speaker 2: of those responsible. We're so sorry for your family, Andrew,
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Speaker 2: I write to text A Graham. I sometimes have to
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Speaker 2: work on roads behind cones and it's a great place
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Speaker 2: to see. Firstly, the who believe We've put them there
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Speaker 2: to inconvenience them in particular, and secondly realize how really
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Speaker 2: stupid some people are. Have a happy holiday. Thank you, Graham.
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Speaker 2: We're talking rope cones next here on news Talks Here
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Speaker 2: The Rogue Cone hotline came and went. It's life short lived.
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Speaker 2: The government says job done, data collected awkward bit. Ninety
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Speaker 2: three percent of complaints were about cones that were perfectly
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Speaker 2: fine under the rules. The Temporary Traffic Management Industry Steering
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Speaker 2: Group chair as Dave Tilden and Dave joins us this morning.
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Speaker 6: Hello Dave, morning.
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Speaker 2: Are was this a waste of time?
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Speaker 6: I'd say there's a couple of as well as to
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Speaker 6: look at the silver lining, there's maybe a couple of
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Speaker 6: useful things that have come out of it, But generally
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Speaker 6: i'd say it's probably a distraction. Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Was it a stunt or was the data collection that
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Speaker 2: they got from that good?
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Speaker 6: I'd say some of the data could be quite useful.
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Speaker 6: I'd suggest that it bought the road controlling authorities the
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Speaker 6: councils work safe enterta a little bit closer together, got
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Speaker 6: them working on the topic well. And so some of
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Speaker 6: the data they've collected might be useful, but I'd say
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Speaker 6: it probably doesn't isn't valid based on the effort put
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Speaker 6: it well.
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Speaker 2: It's obvious when they say ninety three percent of the
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Speaker 2: complaints were about cones that were perfectly fine. That means
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Speaker 2: they were compliant. So the complainants were complaining about something
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Speaker 2: that was okay under the rules. The problem is not
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Speaker 2: actually complaining about them or excessive use of them, it's
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Speaker 2: the rules.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, correct, And that system change has been underway for
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Speaker 6: a couple of years now, so that's sort of already
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Speaker 6: in motion, and so i'd suggest that the current hotline
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Speaker 6: being sort of injected into that hasn't necessarily helped. It's
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Speaker 6: probably hindered the system change that everyone's after.
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Speaker 2: And yes, and the new rules coming up from MZTA,
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Speaker 2: councils have to make sure that they are compliant with
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Speaker 2: the new rule and that has to happen by the
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Speaker 2: first of July. And as I pointed out earlier this morning,
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Speaker 2: that's the first of July twenty twenty seven. These are
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Speaker 2: rope codes. Why is it taking so long?
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Speaker 6: So that's the last milestone of a series of changes
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Speaker 6: that all new contracts are actually from the first of
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Speaker 6: July twenty twenty sixth. So and themselves, DYTA, all of
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Speaker 6: their contracts are already in motion. In fact, many of
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Speaker 6: them already switched. So that milestone you've got there is
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Speaker 6: the very last of all of them. And that's the
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Speaker 6: councils themselves, where DTA doesn't necessarily have a direct instruction
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Speaker 6: role that they can play with those councils all the time.
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Speaker 6: So that's the Minister Transport a short time ago announcing
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Speaker 6: around how the funding might be compromised as the councils
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Speaker 6: don't make that shift. So there's several moving parts there
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Speaker 6: that have that timeline out to that point. But overall
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Speaker 6: it's actually it's a pretty big capability challenge for the
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Speaker 6: sector to change from rule following to brisk based thinking.
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Speaker 6: So it is somewhat understandable. How take so long?
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Speaker 2: Okay, and finally, has the traffic management industry been milking it?
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Speaker 6: It's hard to say, I personally don't supply physical TTM,
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Speaker 6: and the sector is simply a product of the inertia
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Speaker 6: in the type of system that it's been underpinned by.
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Speaker 6: It's a compliance based system, so people will will follow
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Speaker 6: the rules in front of them, and those rules have
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Speaker 6: been proven to not serve society the way we want
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Speaker 6: them to, and so they're can get changed. And I
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Speaker 6: think it's less about you know what, It's more about
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Speaker 6: the incentives that people have in the system as a whole,
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Speaker 6: necessarily than any ulterior multimotives.
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Speaker 2: Good So, Dave Tilton, chair of the Temporary Traffic Management
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Speaker 2: Industry Steering Group, and I thank you five twenty five
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Speaker 2: Mischials t B. I'm Andrew Dickinson's five twenty seven. Then
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Speaker 2: I'm still in slack. Male shock at Barbara Edmund's performance
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Speaker 2: on this program. Yesterday, after the release of the government's
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Speaker 2: books showing we're still in deficit and will be in
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Speaker 2: deficit longer and with every day that passes, our debt grows,
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Speaker 2: Labor was quick to say National has screwed things up
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Speaker 2: and that we should have voted Labor onto the Treasury
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Speaker 2: benches because they could do things better. So I thought
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Speaker 2: if they thought they could do things better, they could
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Speaker 2: perhaps come on to the program and tell you and
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Speaker 2: I what should have been done. So we gave them
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Speaker 2: the opportunity to share their superior knowledge, particularly with you
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Speaker 2: the voter, yesterday morning. And what did we get? Nothing
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Speaker 2: other than slogans in a general tone of just trust us.
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Speaker 2: Things could have been better, and we'll tell you why
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Speaker 2: we will be better next year when the election cut
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Speaker 2: rolls round. And that was it. I gave specific questions
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Speaker 2: about spending and debt and all sorts, and she wouldn't answer. Now,
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Speaker 2: to be fair, she did criticize National's tax cuts, and
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Speaker 2: that was the moving of the thresholds and reinstating the
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Speaker 2: rebates for landlords. Now they kinter tax cuts, and yet
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Speaker 2: they're not. But they had the effect of reducing government
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Speaker 2: revenue by fourteen billion dollars. Fourteen billion that could have
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Speaker 2: been used to repay the debt or build infrastructure if
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Speaker 2: the government wanted to, or they could have just blown
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Speaker 2: it anyway. Fourteen billion. Now, look, the thresholds were morally wrong,
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Speaker 2: and I agree with resetting them. They were giving government
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Speaker 2: and automatic tax rise due to wage inflation. John Key
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Speaker 2: loved it. But changing them in a time of economic downturn,
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Speaker 2: when your revenue is reducing anyway, well that's a self
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Speaker 2: inflicted wound on your books, isn't it. But they had
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Speaker 2: promised them in the election, and at the time they
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Speaker 2: called them a tool against the rise and the cost
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Speaker 2: of living. But you know that that's kind of slogan
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Speaker 2: airing as well. That's no better than Barbara Edmonds. It
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Speaker 2: was slogan to get votes. And I don't know if
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Speaker 2: National knew that purposely reducing their revenue was unsustainable. Slashing
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Speaker 2: their own revenue undid all the work they did over
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Speaker 2: the last two years cutting spending. But if they did
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Speaker 2: know that, that was a piece of economic foolishness. But
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Speaker 2: it was a good slogan and got them votes. And
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Speaker 2: this is what worries me the most about this country
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Speaker 2: and pretty much all its politicians. They will say anything
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Speaker 2: to get votes, and they care more about keeping their
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Speaker 2: jobs than making the country better. News Talk said, be
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Speaker 2: all right, we had the government books the other day,
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Speaker 2: but you know that's just the government's books. The country's
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Speaker 2: books are another thing. That's everybody. And we get the
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Speaker 2: GDP figures out today and we're hoping for a bounce,
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Speaker 2: so we'll get the predictions coming out from West back
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Speaker 2: before six o'clock today. We're off to America as well,
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Speaker 2: where Trump and Venezuela are go and hammer and tongs.
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Speaker 2: I'm sorry you've just been wound to get and last
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Speaker 2: Christmas Day.
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Speaker 7: Now.
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Speaker 2: This fluid that's going around Europe's pretty something, isn't it.
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Speaker 2: At least twenty seven or thirty eight countries in Europe
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Speaker 2: are reporting high or very high flu activity. The flu
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Speaker 2: season began four weeks earlier than normally. Populations atget it.
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Speaker 2: They've been told by the World Health Organization obviously to
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Speaker 2: get vaccinated, stay home if I'm well, and wear a
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Speaker 2: mask in public if I have respiratory symptoms. And that's
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Speaker 2: triggered some people. I know the mask is back and
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Speaker 2: the who was saying the mask is back, So there
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Speaker 2: we go. Meanwhile, I'm doing the summer breakfast this summer,
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Speaker 2: and my producer is a lovely fellow who went to
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Speaker 2: Lady Gaga and he announced yesterday that he's got COVID
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Speaker 2: and I mean, okay, well, we've got work to do,
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Speaker 2: we've got interviews to record. You were going to come
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Speaker 2: in on Fridays, so that's not happening. He said, oh no,
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Speaker 2: I thought I might still come in. And I said, what,
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Speaker 2: why are you going to come in? And he said, well,
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Speaker 2: you know I'll be fine enough by then. I mean,
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Speaker 2: the boss says COVID is not a thing. I think
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Speaker 2: COVID is not a thing. I said, what have you
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Speaker 2: got right now? Is it covid? I said, how are
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Speaker 2: you feeling? He said terrible? I said, you know what,
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Speaker 2: I don't want to feel like you. COVID is a
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Speaker 2: thing and it's very very catchy, and you feel terrible,
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Speaker 2: and I don't want to feel terrible. And if I
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Speaker 2: feel terrible, I can't do the show. And then you've
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Speaker 2: got no breakfast show on News Talks EDB. So don't
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Speaker 2: come in. And the only thing I have to say
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Speaker 2: about that is COVID is still a thing. Apparently the
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Speaker 2: event he went to in Brisbane Lady Gaga has now
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Speaker 2: officially been called a super spreader event. Oh look at
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Speaker 2: all this nostalgia ray it's still there. It's twenty two
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Speaker 2: to six news talk said b round the country. We
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Speaker 2: go o tiger Callum Proctor. Good morning to you. A
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Speaker 2: merry Christmas. Yes, same to you, Andrew. We've got a
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Speaker 2: shooting a gore.
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Speaker 6: Yeah.
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Speaker 8: Two people have been here lifted to Dunedin Hospital here,
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Speaker 8: one in a serious condition, the other said to be
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Speaker 8: in a moderate condition. This is after an incident on
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Speaker 8: Upper Rima Street and Gore. It happened about ten to
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Speaker 8: eight last night. Please say the injuries are not believed
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Speaker 8: to be life threatening, but initial reports are of a
20:15
Speaker 8: firearm being discharged and then a significant emergency response to this.
20:19
Speaker 8: Police ambulances and helicopters responding. According's in place while inquiries
20:24
Speaker 8: are carried out. Police say, look, they don't believe there's
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Speaker 8: any risks to the public, but they're asking people to
20:29
Speaker 8: avoid that area.
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Speaker 2: A local ODT reporter.
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Speaker 8: At the scene says that attention appeared to be focused
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Speaker 8: on a unit on a rare section.
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Speaker 2: How's your weather.
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Speaker 8: It's a bit wet around the south for dneedan today,
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Speaker 8: early rain, then rain this evening.
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Speaker 2: Nor easterlies and twenty very good and I thank you.
20:46
Speaker 2: Of course, this is my last early edition for the year,
20:49
Speaker 2: so I'm saying Merry Christmas to everybody. Merry Christmas. Clear
20:51
Speaker 2: sherwood from Christchurch.
20:53
Speaker 9: Merry Christmas.
20:54
Speaker 2: So tell me about an electric double decker bus.
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Speaker 9: Yeah, well, christ Church will soon home to the country's
21:01
Speaker 9: first electric double decker. This bus is, as I say,
21:05
Speaker 9: first of a kind of New Zealand. It will meet
21:07
Speaker 9: weight limits without needing a special permit. It's built using
21:11
Speaker 9: some aerospace grade aluminium, which of course means it's lighter
21:14
Speaker 9: but also stronger than the traditional steel built buses. Environment
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Speaker 9: Canterbury chair doctor Dion Swiggs says this is a major
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Speaker 9: step towards the goal here of making christ Churches public
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Speaker 9: transport network zero emissions by the year twenty thirty. He
21:29
Speaker 9: says they're focused on making sure this city is as
21:32
Speaker 9: innovative as possible.
21:34
Speaker 2: Charge up on power made by coal. But never mind,
21:37
Speaker 2: no smog is speaking of smug. How's you weather?
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Speaker 9: Oh well, a bit of high cloud about today. There
21:42
Speaker 9: will be a spot of light rain around midday. Otherwise
21:45
Speaker 9: light ones and north easterlies developing and the high will
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Speaker 9: be twenty to Max.
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Speaker 2: Toll, we go in Wellington. Merry Christmas, yes, and to you.
21:52
Speaker 2: So that council has apologized for what.
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Speaker 10: Well, yeah, I thought we might get through the rest
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Speaker 10: of twenty twenty five without one more Wellington City Council blunder,
22:02
Speaker 10: But here we go. They've essentially been under charging rate
22:05
Speaker 10: payers for one important part of their services. That's the
22:09
Speaker 10: very glamorous sounding sludge levy. It's part of waste management.
22:13
Speaker 10: That's really all you need to know. There's a fixed
22:16
Speaker 10: cost that's tacked onto our rates bill. At the moment,
22:18
Speaker 10: it's an average of forty dollars a person or a house,
22:22
Speaker 10: but in reality we've been under charged by up to
22:24
Speaker 10: one hundred bucks. Commercial ratepayers undercharged up to five thousand
22:28
Speaker 10: dollars each, so it's no small sum, ludicrous than it
22:31
Speaker 10: could happen. The council says it can't legally waive the cost,
22:35
Speaker 10: so we're all looking up for our next bills in
22:37
Speaker 10: a couple of months to see how much we have
22:39
Speaker 10: to pay. Something to do with the council's billing system
22:42
Speaker 10: going wrong human error. Chief Finance Officer Andrea Reeves is
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Speaker 10: in the hot seat. A quote from her yesterday I'm
22:48
Speaker 10: really apologetic for it, genuinely. Well, as long as it's
22:51
Speaker 10: genuine more blunders like this coming next year genuinely most likely.
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Speaker 2: All right, So how's you read the cloudy and drizzly
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Speaker 2: this morning?
22:59
Speaker 10: Nor West Still he's nineteen the high.
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Speaker 2: Wendy Petrie from Auckland joints week, Mary Christmas, turn your
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Speaker 2: microphone on.
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Speaker 11: Ah Christmas and Merry Christmas before you.
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Speaker 2: So, Wendy, tell me about the trains in Auckland.
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Speaker 11: Well, there's disappointment as Auckland Transport sets up for another
23:16
Speaker 11: month long rail closure. No trains operating but between December
23:21
Speaker 11: twenty seventh and January twenty eighth. Now Key we Rawl
23:24
Speaker 11: says the closure is needed to allow for urgent repairs
23:27
Speaker 11: and maintenance which is needed for the upcoming City rail Link.
23:30
Speaker 11: Public Transport Users Association national coordinator John Reeves says he
23:34
Speaker 11: hasn't seen another project which needs this many closures. He
23:37
Speaker 11: says he doesn't think it would be acceptable in any
23:39
Speaker 11: other first world country.
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Speaker 2: Well, some of these tracks have not been maintained for
23:44
Speaker 2: one hundred years, yes, So what we have to hope
23:47
Speaker 2: for is when the CRL comes in that we don't
23:49
Speaker 2: have these closures anymore now delays. How's Aukan's weather?
23:52
Speaker 11: Well, I seems to always come right at the moment,
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Speaker 11: doesn't it. It sort of starts off a bit cloudy, so
23:56
Speaker 11: I think it's a fine day with some cloudy periods,
23:58
Speaker 11: a few showers easing the afternoon, southwesterlyis and a high
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Speaker 11: of twenty one.
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Speaker 2: To me, I thank you so much. So look just
24:06
Speaker 2: quick note. End of the year and time to review
24:08
Speaker 2: it and the head of the Public Service, so Brian
24:09
Speaker 2: Wroach released a report on the state of public service
24:12
Speaker 2: and I haven't had time to mention it this week
24:13
Speaker 2: because of Bondai and all, but this is my last
24:16
Speaker 2: early edition for the year, so here we go. This
24:18
Speaker 2: report is not good. It shows just how bigger beasts
24:21
Speaker 2: the public service is and how hard it is to
24:23
Speaker 2: make it smaller and more efficient. Brian says the public
24:27
Speaker 2: service is facing big old risks due to insufficient talent development,
24:30
Speaker 2: a lack of joined up thinking in a slow uptake
24:32
Speaker 2: of technologies that they're not getting into the AI. And meanwhile,
24:36
Speaker 2: the service is still pretty big despite all the cuts
24:39
Speaker 2: they've been creating new roles, so the sector isn't that
24:41
Speaker 2: much smaller. According to Brian sixty six hundred and fifty
24:45
Speaker 2: four staff now compared to the peak of sixty five,
24:48
Speaker 2: six hundred and ninety nine, we have forty three departments,
24:51
Speaker 2: departmental agencies and interdepartmental executive boards of various sizes and
24:55
Speaker 2: mandates operating right now. That's a lot. Brian says. This
24:59
Speaker 2: is more than small advanced economies. The complexity limits our
25:04
Speaker 2: ability to manage costs, maintain critical capacity and deliver joined
25:08
Speaker 2: up services with a system perspective. Wow. And so Brian's
25:13
Speaker 2: in charge, and he knows what's wrong, and presumably he
25:16
Speaker 2: also knows how to make it better, but his report
25:19
Speaker 2: shows it's not going to be easy to do. We're
25:22
Speaker 2: off to American next. This is news talks, heb It's sixteen.
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Speaker 1: To six international correspondence with ins and eye insurance, peace
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Speaker 1: of mind for New Zealand business.
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Speaker 2: It's fourteen to six. Off to the United States. We
25:35
Speaker 2: go and Shagriti. Dave joins me. How a Shagruti, Hi, Hey,
25:39
Speaker 2: Merry Christmas. So Donald Trump has announced a blockade of
25:43
Speaker 2: sanctioned oil tankers in and out of Venezuela or them.
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Speaker 12: So yes, this is specifically in a truth social post
25:52
Speaker 12: that Donald Trump said that he is going to block
25:57
Speaker 12: and start a blockade of sanctioned oil tankers. Now this
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Speaker 12: isn't all oil tankers in and out of Venezuela because
26:04
Speaker 12: that would be against international law. He's essentially enforcing existing
26:08
Speaker 12: sanctions sanctions on sanctioned oiled vessels. So those vessels that
26:12
Speaker 12: are under sanctions, they will not be allowed and they
26:14
Speaker 12: are out of Venezuela. And that is going to be
26:18
Speaker 12: very difficult for Venezuela's economy because it exports oil as
26:21
Speaker 12: its main source of income sales to countries like China,
26:25
Speaker 12: and this is going to be a big problem. Mean,
26:29
Speaker 12: a lot of its is transported on sanctioned vessels as well.
26:32
Speaker 12: And Donald Trump is saying the goal of this is
26:34
Speaker 12: to stop drug trafficking and getting narcotics into the United States,
26:38
Speaker 12: similar to the justification behind the attacks on the boats,
26:41
Speaker 12: but Venezuela is saying that the aim is to cripple
26:44
Speaker 12: the country and get hold of its oil. And in
26:46
Speaker 12: Truth Social in that truth Social post, Donald Trump was
26:49
Speaker 12: threatening that this blockade will that Venezuela is completely surrounded
26:52
Speaker 12: by the largest armader ever assembled in the history of
26:55
Speaker 12: South America, and that it will only get bigger until
26:57
Speaker 12: such a time as they return to the United States
26:59
Speaker 12: of America all of the oil, land and other assets
27:02
Speaker 12: that they previously stole from US. It's not clear exactly
27:05
Speaker 12: what he means by that, but it seems to be
27:07
Speaker 12: a reference to Venezuela's nationalization of its oil industry under
27:10
Speaker 12: Hugo Chavez, which meant that, you know, American and Western
27:13
Speaker 12: oil companies had to leave the country either voluntarily or
27:16
Speaker 12: they were kicked out. But this is sort of part
27:18
Speaker 12: of the ongoing issues that the United States has moved Venezuela,
27:22
Speaker 12: and it's.
27:23
Speaker 2: Really mean, well, the whole countries are actually a charda
27:28
Speaker 2: around the water cooler about Donald Trump's chief of staff,
27:31
Speaker 2: Susie Wilds, who's been given the gossip to Vanity Fear
27:35
Speaker 2: over sixteen interviews.
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Speaker 12: Yeah, so this is quite an extraordinary piece. It's caused
27:43
Speaker 12: shock waves within Washington because partly because it's so rare
27:47
Speaker 12: to hear a chief of staff on the record, and
27:50
Speaker 12: not least a chief of staff speaking so openly. It
27:54
Speaker 12: seems on the record. She has made several comments, some
28:02
Speaker 12: of them not particularly flattering, I guess about various members
28:06
Speaker 12: of the cabinet even of the President himself. She says
28:09
Speaker 12: that he's got an alcoholics personality, which Donald Trump has
28:14
Speaker 12: responded to in an interview with The New York Times,
28:17
Speaker 12: saying that you know, he's not offended by this at all.
28:20
Speaker 12: He's famously a teetotaler, actually, but he said, you know,
28:22
Speaker 12: if he were to drink, he probably would be an alcoholic,
28:25
Speaker 12: because he says he has a possessive and addictive type personality.
28:29
Speaker 12: But he's expressed confidence in Wilds's ability to continue. And
28:33
Speaker 12: Wiles was talking about this in terms of the context
28:35
Speaker 12: of her own up bringing. Her dad was an alcoholic,
28:37
Speaker 12: so she sort of understands the big personality types that
28:41
Speaker 12: you know that she's often had to work with in
28:42
Speaker 12: the cabinet. But yeah, this is an extraordinary.
28:44
Speaker 2: It is a article. I read it yesterday after seeing
28:47
Speaker 2: the news on when got it ahead of read it,
28:50
Speaker 2: and it is I mean, it gives you an insight
28:52
Speaker 2: to the inside of what's happening in the Donald Trump
28:55
Speaker 2: White House, and it's fascinating and entertaining all on the
28:58
Speaker 2: same time. Jaguti dave, I thank you very much. It
29:00
Speaker 2: is now ten minutes two six zeb so it's didypday.
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Speaker 2: The final read for the year, we had a zero
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Speaker 2: point nine percent drop in June. Banks are expecting to
29:11
Speaker 2: bounce back, some are saying one percent. West Tax chief
29:14
Speaker 2: economists Kelly Echol who joins me, Now, Hello, Kelly, good morning,
29:19
Speaker 2: and what do you think.
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Speaker 13: Well, then we're going to get a pretty good quarter
29:23
Speaker 13: this time around. We've got zero point nine percent gain
29:27
Speaker 13: in the forecast, so basically felling in that hole that
29:31
Speaker 13: we saw in Q two.
29:33
Speaker 2: So where are getting the hint that it's going to
29:35
Speaker 2: be good? Is that retail figures are one.
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Speaker 13: Well, it's actually quite across the board this time, which
29:41
Speaker 13: is quite encouraging because I mean in previous quarters where
29:45
Speaker 13: we have seen strength, it's been quite narrowly based, particularly
29:49
Speaker 13: around the agricultural sector. So what we can kind of
29:52
Speaker 13: see here and the indicators is that a lot of
29:54
Speaker 13: the indicators of the services sector center have done quite well.
29:57
Speaker 13: So we have had decent retail trade, We've had some
30:00
Speaker 13: decent construction figures, but it does look like all through
30:04
Speaker 13: the professional services type sectors there's been decent activity there
30:08
Speaker 13: as well, So we're looking for a broad based result.
30:12
Speaker 2: Is it fair to say that we just got our
30:14
Speaker 2: mojo back that we've got some confidence, and now people
30:16
Speaker 2: are prepared to commit some capital after sitting on their hands.
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Speaker 13: I certainly think this is one of the better results
30:23
Speaker 13: I've seen in a couple will be one of the
30:25
Speaker 13: better results we've seen in a couple of years, assuming
30:27
Speaker 13: the forecast right. Because of that broader based nature, I
30:31
Speaker 13: think it's probably a little bit too early to assess,
30:33
Speaker 13: because there remains quite a lot of volatility in this data.
30:38
Speaker 13: You know, for example, what this result would do is
30:41
Speaker 13: fill in a big hole from the previous quarter. There's
30:44
Speaker 13: still quite a pronounced seasonal pattern. We need to see
30:48
Speaker 13: two or three quarters of this before you can really
30:50
Speaker 13: confidently say that you're on a on an underlying upward
30:54
Speaker 13: trend to reckon.
30:55
Speaker 2: Meanwhile, I've got we've got the RB who's getting a
30:57
Speaker 2: bit upset that retail banks are putting their interest rates up,
31:00
Speaker 2: which is not what they wanted, so and they're going
31:03
Speaker 2: to get this figure. What do you think this is
31:05
Speaker 2: going to mean for the RB heading into the new
31:06
Speaker 2: year and our interest rates?
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Speaker 13: Well, I mean, I don't think it means anything for
31:11
Speaker 13: our interest rates in the short term. And you would
31:14
Speaker 13: have seen the renew rezipient Governor on the on the
31:17
Speaker 13: tapes recently, really making that point quite forcefully now that
31:20
Speaker 13: they're not really looking at the term rate rise. But
31:24
Speaker 13: this data is going to fill in some of the
31:26
Speaker 13: hole that they saw in capacity in the economy in
31:30
Speaker 13: the last year or so. I mean, they only expected
31:33
Speaker 13: and increased a zero point four percent in this quarter,
31:37
Speaker 13: so there's going to be quite a lot better than that.
31:40
Speaker 13: So they should be probably a lot more comfortable that
31:43
Speaker 13: the economy is in a better place.
31:45
Speaker 2: Kelly, I thank you and I hope you're right. And
31:48
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Speaker 2: Heather to perceive Alan, Merry Christmas to you because this
32:04
Speaker 2: is the last time I'll see you this year. Are
32:06
Speaker 2: you not here tomorrow? I'm not here tomorrow. I'm doing
32:09
Speaker 2: the drive show tomorrow. Oh lord, yeah, musical chairs.
32:12
Speaker 14: Well this is this is Ryan leaving one day before
32:15
Speaker 14: everybody else.
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Speaker 2: Well, I guess so I don't know. I'm not preventing
32:20
Speaker 2: these high level conversations, but what I am is a
32:22
Speaker 2: fool because they found me up a couple of weeks ago.
32:26
Speaker 2: You know, could you do the drive on sure? I
32:27
Speaker 2: could do the drive on Friday. Don't have to wake
32:29
Speaker 2: up early. It's going to be a lot of fun.
32:30
Speaker 2: And then you know, get home. And Helen says, well,
32:34
Speaker 2: we might have gone down to the beach then, and
32:36
Speaker 2: now you can't leave it until seven, and why are
32:39
Speaker 2: you doing it? And I said, I don't know, but Ryan,
32:42
Speaker 2: Ryan's buggering off early.
32:43
Speaker 14: Well, I mean, do you because if you leave at seven,
32:46
Speaker 14: you're going to get to the beach at nine, which
32:47
Speaker 14: is okay actually, and that way you're going to miss
32:49
Speaker 14: the worst of the traffic on the Saturday, i'd imagine.
32:52
Speaker 14: So we're planning your life for.
32:53
Speaker 2: You right now. I could just go home and get
32:54
Speaker 2: a takeaway and open a bottle of wine.
32:56
Speaker 14: And then and then or you could make Helen drive
32:59
Speaker 14: and then you could you take away and drink your
33:01
Speaker 14: bottle of wine in the car.
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Speaker 2: I think she's going today. I think she's she's leaving
33:04
Speaker 2: you behind. Yeah, I love this.
33:06
Speaker 14: This is such great female independence. I mean, don't you
33:08
Speaker 14: sometimes just want to say I am going to discover you.
33:11
Speaker 2: Know what I called Helen the other day, I said,
33:13
Speaker 2: look in this household. You're the alpha. I'm pretty sure
33:15
Speaker 2: you've had exactly the same conversation multiple times. Yeah.
33:19
Speaker 14: In fact, it's got to the point where when you
33:20
Speaker 14: ask the children iggy who's the boss, the finger goes
33:23
Speaker 14: straight at me.
33:24
Speaker 2: Okay, that's all right, I'm Merry Christmas.
33:25
Speaker 14: Isn't it wonderful to be the passenger though, Andrew.
33:28
Speaker 2: I'm not a passenger. I am, I am, I am.
33:32
Speaker 2: I forged my own thing. I'm an independent man with
33:35
Speaker 2: my own independent money and I you know got listen,
33:38
Speaker 2: you sound like a woman from one hundred years. Well,
33:41
Speaker 2: this is a this is a gender roleship, isn't it?
33:44
Speaker 2: Turn around? And there's many men out there who have
33:47
Speaker 2: fantastic women as their partners and they know their place. Yeah,
33:50
Speaker 2: that's right.
33:51
Speaker 14: Listen, we're going to talk about the GDP today because
33:52
Speaker 14: that numbers should be good. So we're going to head
33:54
Speaker 14: off to the Christmas break feeling a little bit good
33:56
Speaker 14: about the economic recovery tomorrow.
33:58
Speaker 2: I think all right. Next year, put Merry Christmas to
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Speaker 2: Barry Merry Christmas. The producer kens he with almost six
34:04
Speaker 2: months this year. You're great, Thank you so much.
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Speaker 7: Merry Christmas, everybody, Bye bye
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