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Know the Enemy: Pittsburgh · Boundary Corner Podcast

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  And welcome back to the Boundary Corner Podcast along with my
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  partners Brian Siegel and Jonathan Talley, and our special
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  guest, The Hardest Working Man in Hokey podcast land, Mike
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  McDaniel from The Hokey Hangover.
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  I am Curtis Wilson. This episode is brought to you
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  by Doctor Jeremy Counts at the Main Street Pharmacy in
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  Blacksburg, your friendly neighborhood pharmacy located at
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  301 S Main St. in Blacksburg. Mike.
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  Hey, buddy. What's up?
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  What's going on? I thought.
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  I thought if I came on this podcast this week, we might have
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  a chance to actually win a game. You know, I I've been recapping
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  all these games on my podcast. And nothing good has happened
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  yet. So I was thinking, if I went on
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  another Virginia Tech podcast, maybe something good would
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  happen this week. Let's mix it up, let's let's do
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  things a little different, see if we can get a different
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  outcome because if we're being honest, I mean it is not look
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  good the last three weeks. No, not at all.
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  It's not look good. It's not look good at all.
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  Good evening, Lavar. Always good to hear from you,
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  man. Down in the 75.
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  It hasn't boys. It has been a rough last three
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  weeks. Hokie sit at 1:00 and 3:00 after
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  the 24 to 17 lost to Marshall the first time they have beat
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  the Hokies in 83 years. That's right, 83 years.
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  Right down. Big Yikes.
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  And before we get into all that, got a couple things.
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  Obviously we always are pumping it rally for Robbie this year to
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  support testicular answer. Not sure what lot it's going to
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  be in yet trying to get with Grayson on that.
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  Look at that. Once we know we will tweet it
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  out, go visit get yourself one and it will be always at the
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  pharmacy 7 dollars, then they'll only they do accept them only
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  cash there. Before I get into the game,
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  there's two things we got to talk about.
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  First of all let's talk about Pop Watson.
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  He was suspended indefinitely. He has since been reinstated and
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  has also been. This is what happens when we
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  record before the the Tuesday presser man.
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  Like we we don't get to actually talk about the news when it
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  happened, and now it's like it's already over.
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  Yeah, surprise, we glad. We glad that's over.
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  Definitely glad it's over. But I mean like, you know, we
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  had, we had talked about it elsewhere off camera here like.
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  Indefinitely definitely got taken with and ran.
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  But I mean that's if it's only one week, that's when you know
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  just say it's one week or say it's pop.
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  Needs to take some steps before he's back with the team.
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  Don't say indefinitely and definitely makes people think
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  he's out till November. And then don't don't forget,
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  somebody comes up and says, well, the last person that was.
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  Suspended and definitely killed a man.
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  I'm like, Jesus Christ, we can't.
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  We can't win, man. We can't win on Twitter.
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  We can't win on the field. We fucked up all around.
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  Thank you, Virginia Tech. Twitter.
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  You keep my started. And and it's and it's started
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  with Fry winning every press conference and winning over
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  everybody and now it's like every little thing gets
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  deadpicked when you only win four out of your first 15 games.
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  So. That's what happens.
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  Oh yeah, Oh yeah, everything will be nitpicked.
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  Can't even tweet the one and no graphic anymore because that's
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  going to get trolled all the hell.
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  Oh yeah, they killing it. I've seen one of the coaches say
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  something about God or or or or. Thank you, Jesus.
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  I saw that. And somebody.
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  You gonna have to Was it winner, Marv it?
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  Was one of the two. I'll go man.
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  I'm smart. Marv is smart for sure.
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  It's Mark. I had them messed up.
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  Y'all it was Mark. Messed up.
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  Hey man, some of y'all out there.
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  Ruthless man they are. Ruthless they are.
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  Ruthless for them. It's a passionate fan base, man,
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  but that's why we show up in 65,000 in the seats for a one in
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  three team coming off a three win season.
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  It came sold out. Super interesting to see it sold
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  out beforehand. It'll be interesting to see
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  second anyway. You see network.
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  How many people are actually there?
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  I'm not going, Mike, you going this week?
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  He lagging a little bit. I think we lagging Tally, you
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  ain't going obviously. See you.
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  Ain't going, are you? I'm not going.
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  All right, We'll let him. We'll let Mike get sorted out
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  here. He is lagging there, but let's
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  talk about the other thing. It broke today.
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  I think this had been in the works for quite a while where
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  the Hokies are moving their home game headquarters from the Hotel
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  Roanoke to Blacksburg at the Inn in Blacksburg.
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  This was a David Teal article. It is going to cost the
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  department about 100 + K more a year.
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  But I mean, if you've got something that can accommodate,
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  there we go. He came back.
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  He left again, left again. Well, that might figure it out
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  here. But if you have the amenities in
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  Blacksburg to keep the team 5 minutes from the field, please
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  do that. It's it's almost an hour ride
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  with a bus up 81 to. We've had enough travel issues
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  so far this year that we don't need to continue adding to that,
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  to that run, right. So we don't, you know, you got a
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  late, late plane. I mean, let's let's keep it
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  simple. When there's something else that
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  happened in the travel that threw things off, I can't
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  remember what it was. Some of the Rutgers, the plane,
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  they went there, they went back and all that stuff.
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  To my knowledge, nothing else travel wise happened.
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  They did mention at one point this year like there had been
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  some issues coming up 81 that had delayed them, which makes
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  sense because they're roughly leaving there what, 4 hours
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  before the game? How much of the traffic from the
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  75, the 804 and Nova's coming in at that point in time, getting
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  into it 3 hours beforehand? Of course there's going to be
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  traffic delays, right? And right now we've lost Mike,
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  so we're going to try to get him back in here he.
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  Said his computer crashed. He's getting back up.
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  We're good. We will get him.
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  But do y'all like that. I mean, y'all y'all both played,
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  you know, collegiate ball and stuff.
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  You know, how far did y'all stay from your home stadium tally?
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  Well, I mean, it was. I can see good and bad, I guess
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  in in in why you do that? Because sometimes you want to
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  be, you know, away just to have your team just not really run
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  into people, just focus on the game, you know what I'm saying?
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  But of course, we're dinosaurs now.
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  So you got social media, they got their phones, they're going
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  then. They're not just going to be
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  with the team anyway and mostly everybody knows where they stay,
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  so you're going to run in the fans there as well, so.
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  I mean, I feel like why wasted like you said, why it caused
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  more problems going and taking off when you can just be right
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  around the corner or not. Yeah, I would.
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  When I played, he used to stay in the Wyanoke Hotel for game
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  nights, sometimes for the home games.
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  Big home games. We actually didn't.
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  We didn't do it for every home game.
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  Curtis knows that because Curtis knows I would occasionally DB
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  for that motherfucker on on Friday nights if I didn't have
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  to go to the hotel. Yes, he did, because he couldn't
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  sleep too. Amped up, yeah, I mean, night
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  before a game, if I got to sleep before two or three, if I was
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  doing something good, even even on road trips in a hotel like it
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  could, just I just got amped up and.
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  That was kind of my routine. So I was like, if I'm awake, I
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  might as well do something productive with my night.
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  What do you think about it, Mike?
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  I mean, did you read the TL article or see it or hear about
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  it, the moving from the hotel, rolling out back to the Inn at
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  Blacksburg and what are your thoughts on it?
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  Yeah, I read it. No, I'm here.
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  I'm here. I'm here.
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  Don't worry, I'm here. No, I read it.
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  I read it. I my thoughts.
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  My thoughts on it are, look, it makes a lot of sense, right?
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  I think this is one of those things where, you know when your
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  program is struggling, you're looking for a layup literally
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  anywhere, right? And I think this is one of those
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  things where, you know, David Teal writes his story and you
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  know the staff is looking for anything good in a moment where
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  the team's really struggling, things are going really poorly.
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  And I think when you pen this story.
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  And you, you put it out there. Any positive press right now for
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  this football program is good press.
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  And being like okay, there's a reason why we're doing this.
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  It's, you know, something that will bring the recruits, you
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  know, around the team, have them be, you know, part of the
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  weekend, have it be a little bit easier to the Virginia Tech.
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  In that way they're right there on campus all weekend.
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  I think it makes a lot of sense and I don't know why they
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  weren't doing that before, to be honest with you.
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  It seems like this was something that started back in the Beamer
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  area. Again, Gladys, there also you,
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  if you read the article, Mike, you saw too.
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  It was one of those things with recruits on campus Friday
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  nights. Now the coaches, like literally
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  can just go meet with them. They can set up visits and all
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  that. The other big part, and this is
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  wild, you spent how much money on the Beamer Barn.
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  You weren't using it for walkthroughs on game days.
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  Now they're going to use it as their walkthrough on game days
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  versus one of the conference rooms in a Hotel Roanoke.
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  So it makes perfect sense and all that.
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  All right, all right, well, let's just get to it.
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  Y'all because we can't hide it. We got a lot of people.
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  Yeah, right. Tell us, Dwight.
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  We got to tell the truth Tuesday.
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  And we've got a lot of stuff, too.
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  We got a lot of. Stuff going forward.
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  Mikey, welcome on board. Mike.
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  They all love you here but we got to tell the truth Tuesday.
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  Mike, what we do here is we talk about what went well what went
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  bad, did anything happen we were not prepared for and what can we
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  do better moving forward. This is a philosophy taken told
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  to us by our buddy Robbie company.
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  He's a coach down in North Carolina and he they developed
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  this from Pete Carroll. So.
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  So you know where it's coming from, but let's talk about the
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  first one. And this isn't a long list
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  today, it's the shortest of the year so far.
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  But what went well? What went well?
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  Anybody want to talk about anything?
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  For two quarters we run the ball pretty damn well.
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  We did best run we had all year. Yeah, I mean, we had.
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  Runs. We had runs.
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  Yeah. How many yards did?
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  Two. And average was it?
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  Was it like 6-2 was at 9.82 almost averaged A10 spot?
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  They should have gave him the ball like he was Jamal Anderson
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  back with the Falcons. They should have gave him the
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  ball 35 times. And I would have told drones you
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  are running back until you throw for over 300 yards.
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  When you drop back, just fucking run.
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  They ain't stopping us from running, so why are we stopping
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  running? Going with the other Evans one
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  reading go let. Me slow back down.
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  We talked about what went well. I think somebody put the quick
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  start. A quick start was good.
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  You know, again, let me let me put this in slam out there right
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  quick. I did not watch the game
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  Saturday. My son had a baseball tournament
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  that I was at, so we were in Coleman, Alabama, which has no
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  service. At all.
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  It don't sound like it had service.
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  No, it had no service at all. So I mean, like I was getting
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  updates on the way home. Marshall just scored again.
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  And when I say on the way home at 8:00 at night, I'm getting
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  updates then. But I did not watch the, you
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  know, reading Twitter and talking to the guys, I knew what
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  happened, but I didn't watch the game until.
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  Earlier today, I didn't plan to watch it, but I knew we had to
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  do a show. I was like, yeah, I probably
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  better watch it. So I watched it earlier today.
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  So that's just a disclaim I wanted to put out for everybody.
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  But the quick start was, I guess, you know, hit or or
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  getting the text from Curtis and saying, hey, look at that, we
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  scored y'all realized that we hadn't scored a touchdown all
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  year in the first quarter. The only points that we had got.
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  In the first quarter, I think was the safety against Old
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  Dominion. It's not good, man.
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  It's not freaking good. But we all, we all.
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  They gave us that. It wasn't like we really earned
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  it. They just snapped the ball into
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  the next damn city. They gave us back 1 from 20. 20
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  Yeah they you know we stepped we stepped the ball into you know
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  Williamsburg from from Norfolk and we and they snapped 1 to
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  rolling. Blacksburg to Roanoke.
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  So that's right, Mike. What else?
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  We hit a couple spots here. There ain't many bright spots.
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  What else went well in your opinion?
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  So this is for for 25 carries. For Rasheena Lee.
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  The rushing defense actually played really well for 25
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  carries. Just want to emphasize.
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  Disclaimer. Disclaimer.
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  He had more. He had a couple more than 25.
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  He had 27. He had 27 for 174 and two
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  touchdowns. He also had 25 carries.
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  He had 25 carries for 57 yards. He had two carries for 117
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  yards, 2 touchdowns. So for 25 carries, the Russian
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  defense was very, very good. Which, I mean, it seems
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  ridiculous to even bring this up given, you know, those were two
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  of the biggest plays of the game right for Marshall's offense.
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  But that was, in my opinion, it was a step in the right
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  direction for much of the game against the run now.
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  Of course, you look at the two touchdown runs and what was the
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  issue? It was it was the run fits
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  again, right? And it's just, it keeps the
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  rearing its ugly head. But I was actually encouraged by
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  the rushing defense for a good portion of the game, even
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  though, you know, it was the two carries end up, you know,
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  constant tech and it really just led to the outcome.
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  Yeah. And and Mike, we were talking
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  about it just before that. You take those two runs out,
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  they averaged 2.1 a carry. Yeah, on the other 42 carries
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  they had, they pounded the shit out of the ball 2.1.
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  Wouldn't you, though, Like, oh, I would too.
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  I mean, even if we're showing, even if we're showing a
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  propensity to stop the run consistently, we're also showing
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  that we will give up explosive plays in the run game.
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  So if you keep running the ball, you're eventually going to hit
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  something. You're going to hit one.
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  Now there's one other actually bright spot.
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  We forced 2 turnovers. We forced 2 turnovers.
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  We had two picks Saturday. We didn't do anything with them,
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  but it's still the whole. One of those was part of the
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  fast start. So one of those worst part of
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  the fast start. But again, we have two picks and
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  we are, I mean, what are we up to five now?
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  Turnovers. I think we were at 7 total last
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  year, yeah. Something like that, Not many.
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  Where's John? We're on a better, we're on a
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  better pace right now. But yeah, you know we're going
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  to talk about a little bit. That's the part of the problem I
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  have is that we're we're seeing. Steps up in some areas and steps
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  down in others. And we we can't ever get those
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  steps up to sync with the with with not taking a step back.
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  So it's true, all right. Y'all Got anything else on what
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  went well? That's it.
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  That's it. Because that's it.
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  We got a lot here. We got a lot here for what went
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  bad. And I'm going to start this one
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  out because this one is the one that I think could have really
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  changed it. The what went bad.
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  I think coach prize hyperaggressive go forward on
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  4th down up 7. We're already got the lead.
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  It's I think it's 4th and 3 1/2 from the 36.
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  Brian you did the math. 47 yard field goal.
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  Kick it, kick it, You go up. I think it was the 3032, it was
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  32, but you when I texted you, you said 47 yard field goal.
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  We've seen John Love. He's got the leg to get there.
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  Take it. You get them down 10.
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  Nothing to Bonds point just a few minutes ago.
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  Now they might not be able to just continue to pound the ball
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  because okay, we're down. We're down to scores.
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  Now if if they stop us and we get 2.12.12.1 we got a punt and
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  we could be losing grass to this game.
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  Go ahead. It's just football. one-on-one,
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  too. It's like most people know, when
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  you get a turnover, what's the first thing you want to do?
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  You want to, you want to try to go down the field, you want to
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  try to take a shot right after a turnover.
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  You get the ball in plus territory and you're only able
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  to move it. You know what?
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  20 yards, I think 19 yards, something like that.
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  If that much. Like why go for it on that 4th
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  down when we can at least give ourselves a chance, You know
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  what I'm saying? Like we just we weren't moving
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  the ball very well, so there's no reason to.
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  Try to go for it there in my No, no, no, no, no, Kelly, this was
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  right after the scoring drive. This was right after scoring Dr.
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  We had just went six. Plays and 74 yards.
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  But I'm saying, I'm saying on that drive, once we got the
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  turnover, we weren't moving the ball well enough to like have
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  the confidence of my opinion that just well we're going to
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  throw it. You know, because I think on
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  that, on that 4th to Aaron play, we threw it right, Like he
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  threw. A deep Yeah, he's coming right
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  here. Yeah, it's like, why go for that
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  if you. I mean, it's just the wrong call
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  all around to me. I would have rather kicked it
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  there and go up to you because off of a turnover, if you got
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  the opportunity to get points, let's get points.
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  But if you're going to go for it in that situation, I feel like
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  go for it. Go for what's been working.
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  You know, if we've been gashing them with the run and the
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  quarterbacks legs have been killing them, why not do that?
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  Gentlemen, we know there's nothing there.
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  There's not a shortage of short pass calls in the Tyler Bowen
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  playbook. We don't need to be throwing it
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  30 yards down the field. And he had three men on.
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  I'm like, yeah, why throw it to him?
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  And some people say, well, when Drone, if Drone starts, you got
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  to give him the same energy. Drones definitely gets the same
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  energy. Anybody who sets back there at
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  quarterback is going to get the same energy.
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  You can't make that throw. I don't care what kind of
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  pressure you got, if you got the legs that he has, you got to.
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  You got to take off the run. You have to.
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  I get it. But go ahead, Mike.
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  No, I was just gonna. I hated.
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  I hated the play call. I didn't hate the decision to go
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  for it. I was actually okay with that.
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  I mean the 47 yard like if this is inside 40 yards, right With
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  Love I feel better about it. I get love has the leg but from
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  an accuracy standpoint, 47 yard field goal, you miss it.
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  You're giving a bunch of field field position anyway, right?
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  I'm of the opinion that. You know, it's Brian's point on
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  the short passing game. I mean, Bowen calls short passes
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  all game long and then we decided to air it out deep down
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  the sideline on 4th and three. I hated the play call.
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  I mean, it was the wrong read by Drones 2, I think, right?
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  I mean throwing it downfield, it really well covered.
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  I mean that had no shot of getting completed.
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  So I I just hated the play call. But the decision to go for it, I
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  was actually okay with. I appreciate the aggressiveness
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  because you know right out the gate you go down and score,
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  right? And then you get in your
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  reception. And now for the first time all
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  season really it feels like you have some positive momentum like
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  with a lead, right, Because we've seen some positive
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  momentum like coming back, right.
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  Purdue, you're down 17, Old Dominion, you're kind of
• 21:01
  screwing around. They have a good, you know, a
• 21:02
  good third quarter start to pull away.
• 21:04
  But we, we haven't really seen tech play from the lead much
• 21:07
  this year. And so I was okay with the
• 21:10
  aggressive decision to go for it.
• 21:11
  I just really hated the play call.
• 21:14
  Mike said he was okay let pride let his nuts hang a little bit
• 21:16
  on in that scenario. Just.
• 21:18
  Be a. Little bit of strategic with
• 21:20
  what you do with. He wasn't okay with Bowen trying
• 21:25
  to let his nuts hang out going for a touchdown and a triple
• 21:28
  coverage. All right, the other one I got,
• 21:30
  and these are mine personally because I wrote these out three
• 21:33
  and outs. You know how many we had against
• 21:35
  Rutgers? Mike maybe 3 and outs we had
• 21:37
  against Rutgers, we had zero. 0. We had four versus Marshall and
• 21:43
  they came at the most inopportune times and the worst
• 21:46
  times all game and it's that's where it frustrates you because
• 21:50
  and I and I, I shouldn't say 3 and outs because you know 3 and
• 21:56
  outs 4 and outs because money downs.
• 21:58
  We were three for 16. We were dreadful after having a
• 22:01
  good game against Rutgers and it's like, Brian, would you just
• 22:05
  say? We took the steps up in the run
• 22:08
  game. We look more competent moving
• 22:09
  the ball. What do we do on the money
• 22:11
  downs? What do we do on the three and
• 22:12
  outs? Thanks.
• 22:16
  OK, right back down. It's the old one step up, two
• 22:20
  steps back in every scenario and and and and that and that really
• 22:25
  screwed because the way we were moving the ball if we could have
• 22:28
  converted three more third downs.
• 22:33
  I say 3 or 4, three to four more third downs, not a great number,
• 22:36
  still still under 50%, but the way we moved the ball numerous
• 22:40
  times against them that that probably took one score off the
• 22:44
  board. And if you're not so awful on
• 22:47
  3rd down in that second quarter, you probably don't get quite
• 22:51
  that many points scored on you in that quarter.
• 22:54
  And that was the quarter that really flipped the game and put
• 22:58
  us behind the 8 ball pretty much the rest of the way out.
• 23:01
  Yep, because it was fumble 3 and out, three and out.
• 23:05
  And they went field goal or they scored a touchdown, then they
• 23:10
  scored a field goal and we didn't do anything to answer
• 23:13
  either one of those going to have.
• 23:15
  So yeah, but what else? What else do y'all have up here?
• 23:18
  We have a bunch of stuff written out here.
• 23:20
  Who wants to tackle the next one?
• 23:22
  I'll go go for one thing. Offensive line pass pro was
• 23:27
  atrocious. And we thought it was doing
• 23:30
  good, like the run the run stuff was bad at first.
• 23:33
  Now the the pass Pro is horrible.
• 23:36
  I think we we finally hit a team that can rush the passer pretty
• 23:40
  well too and the guy that we were concerned in this in this
• 23:45
  situation got absolutely worked a bunch of key times gave up a
• 23:49
  sack bunch of like about five or six.
• 23:53
  I think hurries surrendered. I mean, it was, it was a bad
• 23:56
  night for for our right tackle. And Mike, I'll let you go.
• 24:01
  I know you're about to say something that I was, I was just
• 24:03
  gonna say it's almost like Tyler Bowen should just roll the
• 24:07
  quarterback out like he was doing against Rutgers.
• 24:09
  Why are we now having Kyron drones be a dropback passer?
• 24:13
  I don't want to dive in this too deep, cuz I'm gonna go on a
• 24:15
  little bit of a rant later on this podcast about this.
• 24:18
  But why? Why are we all of a sudden we're
• 24:20
  we're rolling him out against Rutgers, getting him real
• 24:23
  comfortable, right? Having him kind of feel the game
• 24:25
  out a little bit as a passer. And then against Marshall we're
• 24:28
  we're just turning them into like Peyton Manning like drop
• 24:30
  back like three or five step drops.
• 24:32
  What are we doing with the passing game?
• 24:35
  I. Don't understand it.
• 24:35
  You want to know why we're doing that?
• 24:38
  Inexperienced. We have a inexperienced
• 24:41
  offensive coordinator that is picking fucking Madden plays and
• 24:46
  hoping that you're going to score on them.
• 24:48
  Inexperienced. Prior.
• 24:50
  You need to go get some experience in the coaching staff
• 24:53
  at those coordinator positions. That's what the problem is.
• 24:57
  I was disappointed that that is. So two things happened that kind
• 25:01
  of switched up the way this kind of play calling went, right?
• 25:06
  So Bowen comes out the game, he's calling run plays.
• 25:10
  He got Kyron drones going on a quarterback power that he broke
• 25:14
  a tackling and went up for a touchdown.
• 25:17
  Good opening scheme, right? So the the, the play call sheet,
• 25:20
  he's like, I've scripted this, it's good to go.
• 25:23
  And then? The second drive you have two
• 25:26
  and put it on the ground. We get we get it get back on it
• 25:28
  though we end up getting a field goal range end up going forward
• 25:30
  on forth, down. Then the drones fumble happens
• 25:34
  and it's like every every time something bad happened on
• 25:37
  offense that butthole was getting a little bit tighter and
• 25:40
  after that drones fumble it's like all right Kyron you gonna
• 25:44
  be you gonna be thrown from the pocket for for the next two
• 25:46
  quarters and you're gonna like it.
• 25:48
  We're gonna have maybe 2 design runs in the next two quarters
• 25:51
  for you and you're gonna like it.
• 25:53
  That would be great if you have people that was blocking.
• 25:55
  He was under duress every time, the whole game, and the only way
• 26:01
  that you could beat that pass rush was to roll the
• 26:04
  quarterback. And if you've been coaching as
• 26:07
  long as some of these coaches have been coaching, I don't
• 26:10
  understand why you don't see this, which I'll get into what
• 26:14
  when we talk about some of our stuff later on.
• 26:17
  Yeah, can we shout out Owen Porter for absolutely working?
• 26:22
  Our tackles, but particularly our right tackle.
• 26:25
  Listen, I'm on. Let me let me say something
• 26:27
  right quick, #70, #70. I don't want to call your name
• 26:31
  because I've done it too much and I think you're a great kid
• 26:34
  and you're probably going to make a great husband and you're
• 26:36
  a great son. You are not a very good tackle
• 26:39
  at this point. I'm going to tell you like I
• 26:42
  tell my own son that thirteen years old, that plays football.
• 26:45
  He's not a football player, he's a baseball player, told him last
• 26:48
  night. They got beat 40 to 6.
• 26:50
  By a team that they shouldn't have got beat 40 to 6.
• 26:52
  I say it Enjoy this next game that you play because it's
• 26:55
  probably going to be your last football game.
• 26:57
  You ain't playing no more. That's it.
• 27:00
  We ain't time on football. We're going to go do something
• 27:04
  this productive. I'm gonna say to me, if you're a
• 27:07
  good Fisher, go buy you some reels and rods, man.
• 27:11
  Go catch something as bass. With that facial hair, if he's
• 27:14
  not a good Fisher, somebody did something.
• 27:17
  It's almost hunting season, man. We a few weeks away, Mike,
• 27:21
  anything to add on any of the offensive stuff?
• 27:25
  Because what I said it was. I called it Tyler Bowen being a
• 27:28
  Jekyll and Hyde because there were times it was times it
• 27:31
  looked like genius, and it was times it looked like what?
• 27:36
  Yeah, his lack of his, his lack. I think his, I think his lack of
• 27:44
  creativity. So the opening script was pretty
• 27:48
  good. Obviously go down and score
• 27:50
  great. But when it comes to like big
• 27:53
  moments in the game, you know he won't roll the quarterback out.
• 27:57
  He won't make life a little bit easier on the offensive line.
• 28:00
  He won't just be stubborn in some ways and just stick with
• 28:04
  the run because you know the running game actually looked
• 28:08
  pretty good early on and then we just went away from it.
• 28:12
  I just think that he goes through these spurts in the
• 28:15
  middle of the game where he gets so inconsistent.
• 28:18
  He's just very he's very tentative like the tight
• 28:24
  butthole comment is like that is that is that is the truth.
• 28:29
  I mean the the big time moments. I mean, he's just kind of, I
• 28:34
  want to say shrivels up, but it kind of feels that way, right?
• 28:37
  And you just, you have a feeling in the big moments.
• 28:40
  You know it's felt that way. Obviously for the first two
• 28:42
  years you just have a feeling in the big moments.
• 28:44
  The offense is just not going to come through and that's a
• 28:46
  terrible feeling. Right.
• 28:48
  I'll say this. Let me let me talk about this
• 28:50
  real quick though, because I've seen this on both sides of the
• 28:52
  ball, both coordinators and I think this goes back to the
• 28:57
  inexperience that Tally was talking about it, what Mike you
• 28:59
  were talking about, it seems like in the moment.
• 29:04
  We get really conservative because we don't, we don't want
• 29:07
  to roll the dice and take take a chance that our players can make
• 29:10
  plays. So we end up playing it very
• 29:13
  conservatively and then that bites us in the ass.
• 29:17
  So thinking about it on defense, every time we get there's the
• 29:20
  offense is as a check with big. When we've got a blitz going,
• 29:24
  we've checked out of the blitz almost every time.
• 29:27
  We don't say I'm going to trust my guys to get home.
• 29:32
  And make this play work. Yeah.
• 29:35
  Just like on the offensive side, as soon as there's a first sign
• 29:38
  of trouble, we we get really conservative, all right, We're
• 29:41
  going to essentially become an Air raid offense for two
• 29:44
  quarters because we're we're afraid to to run the football
• 29:48
  and and potentially put the ball in the ground again.
• 29:50
  And we're afraid that if we throw the ball deep, we might
• 29:53
  turn the ball over, like at some point you got to let your
• 29:55
  players go out there and make plays.
• 29:57
  Yep, you got to become fearless in in some point, regardless of
• 30:02
  what you are as an offensive coordinator.
• 30:03
  Mike, I'm going to do a little bit different before I pitch it
• 30:05
  to you here. I do think some of Tyler's play
• 30:08
  calls are creative. I think what you're saying is is
• 30:12
  in tight moments he does not want to get those creative play
• 30:14
  calls going and it's like that's the issue.
• 30:17
  It's not that he doesn't design creative plays.
• 30:19
  It's like this is the time to pull that creative roll out with
• 30:24
  the with with with Benji Gosnell trickling back.
• 30:29
  Right up the scene with a crosser coming where they don't
• 30:32
  know where to go and he's rolling.
• 30:33
  So the linebackers leaving their space, the safeties are out of
• 30:36
  place. That's what he doesn't know how
• 30:37
  to do. Now agree.
• 30:39
  I agree with that. I thought he called a pretty
• 30:41
  good game. I might be in the minority here.
• 30:43
  I thought he called a pretty good game against Rutgers.
• 30:44
  I thought that execution wasn't there.
• 30:46
  I thought, I thought the play calling was pretty good against
• 30:48
  Rutgers. I thought the play calling early
• 30:50
  in this game was pretty good and then he just went away from it.
• 30:53
  And you know, again, Tech was playing from behind the 8 ball
• 30:57
  right before halftime and then on throughout the second-half
• 30:59
  and just kind of went away from what was working early in the
• 31:03
  game. Yeah, it seemed like he didn't
• 31:05
  go back to it until it's like, all right, we're in desperation
• 31:07
  mode where if we don't score on this drive, this game is over.
• 31:11
  And that's when he finally, like the the switch finally clicked.
• 31:14
  He was like, all right, maybe we need to get back to the running
• 31:16
  game. Maybe we need to use drones in
• 31:18
  the running game to generate some offense cuz you weren't
• 31:22
  generating it consistently enough with.
• 31:25
  Air Raid concepts and a couple of inside runs with Thomas and
• 31:29
  let's talk about it tootin was very effective and Thomas had a
• 31:32
  lot of run in that second and third quarter where he was very
• 31:35
  ineffective and we just kept him on the field for drive after
• 31:40
  drive. So that that kind of frustrated
• 31:44
  me too. I don't know if that was a call
• 31:45
  by Brooks. I don't know what The Who, who's
• 31:48
  controlling the rotation there at at the running back position
• 31:52
  on a game day situation, but it just felt like.
• 31:57
  We're getting back to a point in this We had similar criticisms
• 31:59
  of the last office of coordinator, like situational
• 32:02
  play calling is not where it needs to be.
• 32:06
  And you don't need to be great at it.
• 32:08
  You just need to be good at it. You don't need to be great.
• 32:10
  You just need to be good. All right, let's move on.
• 32:12
  Let's flip over to defense. All right, Mike, The floor is
• 32:15
  yours, man. Mike wanted to go on.
• 32:17
  This is this is the only reason he came on here.
• 32:19
  Y'all he wanted to go on this rant.
• 32:21
  So Mike Floor's yours, 2 carries, 117 yards and two
• 32:28
  touchdowns for Rachina Lee. 68 1/2 yards for carry, that's
• 32:32
  that's pretty good for two runs. Then he also had 25 other runs,
• 32:36
  went for 57 yards and averages over 2 yards per carry.
• 32:40
  The the run fit issues are just unfathomable.
• 32:45
  I don't understand it. Like the linebacker play in
• 32:48
  particular has been so bad, and I get that.
• 32:52
  There's there's personnel issue, there's mismatched personnel.
• 32:54
  Guys play in our position at linebacker.
• 32:56
  I get all that and they're they're trying to get more
• 32:58
  athletic and more talented. There's no excuse for the run
• 33:01
  fits. That's that's got nothing like
• 33:03
  being more athletic and getting more talented at linebacker,
• 33:07
  that's got nothing to do with run fits, right?
• 33:10
  Fill the gap on the right, You call defense, you have a
• 33:13
  defensive play call. Fill the gap you're supposed to
• 33:16
  fill. And how many times this year
• 33:18
  have we seen explosive runs through the first four games?
• 33:21
  That should never have happened. It's just fundamental football.
• 33:25
  I mean, that's all that it is. It's just fundamental football.
• 33:28
  We can have a conversation about Okay, linebackers aren't big
• 33:31
  enough or they're not fast enough.
• 33:32
  Not like enough. They're not wrapping up.
• 33:34
  We can have that conversation. That's not what this is about.
• 33:37
  It's a run fit issue. It's been a run fit issue and
• 33:40
  hasn't been corrected. Brent Pride led unbelievably
• 33:44
  good defense is a Penn State. Like good defense is a
• 33:46
  Vanderbilt under Franklin and he comes here and I get that.
• 33:50
  He wants to kind of bring Chris Marvel along, have him under his
• 33:54
  wing, have this defense like you know in his image, right.
• 33:58
  He's got that. He's got the the scheme that he
• 34:01
  wants to implement. He's got the guy that he wants
• 34:03
  to bring along and mentor, right.
• 34:06
  The issue is that PRI was over involved defensively last year
• 34:11
  and I thought the defense throughout the year, given how
• 34:13
  bad the offense was, I thought the defense hung in there last
• 34:15
  year. PRI is now more hands off and
• 34:19
  everything's going to hell. Tech had some issues on defense
• 34:22
  last year. It was run fit issues from time
• 34:24
  to time. It wasn't like this though.
• 34:26
  This is unbelievable to me how bad the run fits are and I get
• 34:30
  they're down to you know, you're down to starting safeties.
• 34:33
  I get that you've had, you know, injuries on the defense.
• 34:36
  I understand all of that, but there's just no excuse for the
• 34:39
  for the run, fit issues through four games now, right?
• 34:43
  We're going into conference play against the Pittsburgh team and
• 34:46
  we'll talk about it in a bit. It's not that great, right?
• 34:49
  Not very good. And I've got zero confidence
• 34:53
  that this team's going to stop the run on Saturday 0.
• 34:55
  Confidence because I think they can do it in spurts.
• 34:59
  Obviously there was you know, 25 out of 27 carries by Ali on on
• 35:04
  on Saturday against Marshall. They did it.
• 35:06
  They're pretty good, pretty good.
• 35:09
  But it's the two that they didn't which end up costing you
• 35:12
  the football game. And it's been kind of a week
• 35:14
  over week thing and it's just been inconsistency on the
• 35:17
  defensive side of the football has now become a hallmark of a
• 35:20
  Brent Pride head coach team, which is the problem.
• 35:23
  It's the inconsistency of stopping the run and that's what
• 35:26
  it is, because if you look at the other metrics, Mike and I'm
• 35:29
  sure you have and y'all probably have too.
• 35:32
  We're like upper echelon pass defense.
• 35:33
  Well, we always go back to, well, if you can run the ball on
• 35:36
  us, you're not gonna pass the ball.
• 35:37
  That makes sense. We forced turnovers.
• 35:40
  We forced 3 interceptions. We are a middle of the pack team
• 35:44
  in Tfls. We are middle of the pack team
• 35:45
  in Sacs. You start looking at the
• 35:47
  metrics, We're Okay. It's stopping third down and it
• 35:50
  says Okay, We're Okay here. It's the one glaring issue,
• 35:54
  right? It's the one glaring issue that
• 35:57
  I think if you said it's somehow between now and the end of next
• 36:00
  month, it can get fixed. This team will go from us
• 36:04
  wanting to throw shit to probably being like, you know
• 36:06
  what that used to be a 35 yard run.
• 36:09
  It's a 10 yard run now. Well.
• 36:11
  The thing. Is down, yes, but it's not
• 36:14
  killing you. And that's what the that's what
• 36:16
  it is. Go back and look every game.
• 36:18
  This year we've played every game.
• 36:21
  The big runs, the big runs, if what's killed it, the big runs
• 36:24
  are why we're losing the games. We can talk about the other
• 36:27
  shit, y'all know that. But that's what's losing us.
• 36:30
  The games it's not. Oh, we didn't.
• 36:32
  We lost them last year. It lost them last year.
• 36:35
  I lost PIT last year. Jesus Christ.
• 36:38
  We don't want to talk about pit last year.
• 36:40
  We're talking about the pit this year.
• 36:43
  We'll put, you know what, Brian, but hold on, hold on.
• 36:45
  Can I say something real quick? I'm going to give you a floor
• 36:46
  tally in a second. We are stepped back.
• 36:49
  We're in the pit to Georgia Tech phase again.
• 36:53
  We've taken that step back because look at the games.
• 36:57
  We're not getting the shit kicked out of us like we did
• 36:59
  against UNC, like we did against West Virginia, like some of
• 37:03
  those early games we're not. It's that same threshold where
• 37:08
  we were last year from PIT up to Liberty, where we do one fucking
• 37:12
  thing wrong. We make one bad fit.
• 37:15
  We screw up one bad penalty, one holding, one false start, one
• 37:19
  false start on Saturday, by the way, 4th and one to 4th and 6th
• 37:22
  with the Game Online bitch. It's one little do y'all see
• 37:28
  what I'm saying? It's like we thought we were
• 37:30
  over that and now we're we're right back in it.
• 37:33
  Yeah, we were hoping this year as Tally is is prone to say that
• 37:38
  we were in the win by a little stage, but we're back in the
• 37:40
  lose by a little stage, so go. Well, the thing that yeah,
• 37:45
  because the thing that's concerning is like Brett Pride
• 37:49
  is a defensive coach. You know, you came to a no
• 37:53
  matter what Virginia Tech wants to be, they're known as a
• 37:56
  defensive school. You know, like we've always been
• 37:59
  known to have a the lunch pail defense.
• 38:02
  Take that away. We don't have to be the lunch
• 38:04
  pail anymore because we can't fucking stop nobody from
• 38:06
  scoring. But anyway, Pride is a defensive
• 38:09
  coach and I just don't see him like.
• 38:13
  With the fire, when things are going wrong, because he's seen
• 38:17
  it like I I have no doubt that he has in his mind how things
• 38:22
  are supposed to look and how he can fix it.
• 38:25
  But standing on the sidelines writing stuff down on a piece of
• 38:28
  paper ain't fixing it, you know, Doing it at practice ain't
• 38:32
  fixing it. Maybe in the game you need to
• 38:34
  get in a coach's ass or a player's ass or put somebody
• 38:37
  else in. I don't know what the right
• 38:38
  thing to do is. That's why I'm not getting paid
• 38:40
  $4 million to coach the team. I'm just saying as a defensive
• 38:44
  coach, going to a defensive school, you can't keep having
• 38:49
  the same defensive problems and think that everybody's going to
• 38:52
  be okay with it. Like at some point you got to
• 38:55
  win. And I don't just mean win on
• 38:57
  like in the win column, I mean. Not have the explosive play.
• 39:03
  They threw a touchdown and beat us.
• 39:05
  It's got to be something different.
• 39:06
  We keep saying the same thing, the same thing over and over.
• 39:10
  Kind of like what Mike said, what Curtis said and for me it
• 39:13
  it's the head coach like it's on him.
• 39:16
  It's the second year we're we're regressing.
• 39:19
  We're seeing the same thing over that we've seen last year and
• 39:23
  hell, it's fucking it's. Embarrassing at this point.
• 39:27
  You know, you're getting commentators that starting to
• 39:30
  say stuff that are just like, well, sooner or later, Virginia
• 39:34
  Tech's going to have to leave or have to do more than just have a
• 39:37
  cool entrance. They said something like that
• 39:39
  the other day. I've been saying that.
• 39:42
  But when I hear somebody else say, it pisses me off, you know,
• 39:45
  So the head coach and again, like Mike said, and I'm going to
• 39:48
  give it back to you, Curtis. He was so great at press
• 39:53
  conferences in the offseason. I think he has to flip a switch
• 39:57
  now and he has to kind of like Biggie said, you got to lean
• 40:01
  into the beef sometime. You got to address the hard
• 40:04
  stuff. You got to start saying, look, I
• 40:07
  hear what y'all are saying about this team and we're going to fix
• 40:10
  it. If we got to scorch the earth,
• 40:13
  we're going to make sure that this works instead of just doing
• 40:16
  the hey, we going to make it. It's going to be okay.
• 40:19
  We kind of get now we do it. Hey man, stop the stop the sweet
• 40:22
  talking. You know what I want?
• 40:24
  You know what I want? You talk about the Big E blind.
• 40:27
  I want to enter defensive coordinator in him to come out
• 40:30
  because defensive coordinators don't act like that on the
• 40:32
  sidelines. We saw Bud for years.
• 40:34
  We even saw you ever watch some of the Penn State games.
• 40:36
  He was a fiery guy on the. Yeah, exactly.
• 40:39
  He's got to find that because I think that's what's missing on
• 40:43
  that side of the ball. I think so.
• 40:45
  On that side of the ball and we said and and we sat down like
• 40:49
  for the Purdue game we were right behind the bench.
• 40:51
  Chris Mark give Chris Mark credit Chris Mark did have fire
• 40:54
  on the sidelines you we saw him like getting in guys faces
• 40:58
  grabbing face masks hitting you know doing the old thing like
• 41:02
  good job probably was calm the whole game.
• 41:05
  I think what it is is a lot of the team is following that.
• 41:09
  Yeah, you need to be cool under pressure, but sometimes you got
• 41:11
  as as we say it on this program, like, I'll let you nuts hang.
• 41:15
  He's got to let his nuts sang in somebody's face.
• 41:17
  The prime opportunity, especially as bad as run fits
• 41:20
  would have been, was getting after Will Johnson when he
• 41:23
  missed that fit on that first touchdown run.
• 41:25
  Like, literally come here. Why are you looking where the
• 41:29
  quarterback's going? You are in B gap.
• 41:31
  You get the fuck to B Gap and you stop his ass.
• 41:34
  I don't care if you just get an arm or if you get a part of a
• 41:37
  leg. Guess what that's going to do?
• 41:39
  That's going to make clean up a lot easier 10 yards down the
• 41:42
  field than it is 61 in the end zone.
• 41:46
  Anything else from Saturday? I'll play for you anytime,
• 41:51
  Curtis. Jesus.
• 41:52
  I thought Curtis Red is always a fun thing.
• 41:56
  Yeah, I thought about playing for Curtis until he just said
• 41:58
  somebody needs to let the nuts hang in somebody's face.
• 42:02
  Definitely. Just take everybody's face.
• 42:04
  I promise you, you did. No.
• 42:07
  Well, you go back and listen to this.
• 42:10
  Why? You better not.
• 42:11
  You better not edit it. I'm not editing it out the
• 42:13
  teabag. I'm not editing it out.
• 42:14
  The Teabag Man Teabag stays in. What else do we see from
• 42:21
  Saturday that that was bad? I mean, we went through bouts
• 42:28
  where we're not, we're getting consistent pressure.
• 42:30
  I mean, I know they weren't throwing the ball very much, but
• 42:33
  I feel like. Since ODUI haven't seen the
• 42:38
  consistent pressure that I want to see.
• 42:39
  I think we're we're getting some hurries but we're not getting
• 42:42
  home and getting those sacks and getting them in long down and
• 42:46
  distant situations that would benefit our team and help on
• 42:49
  those downs where we're surrendering these long ass
• 42:52
  runs. You know they might be throwing
• 42:55
  the ball if we can get them in 3rd and 12 and 3rd and 9
• 42:58
  consistently. I got.
• 43:03
  I got one piece for y'all and we're not we're not the worst
• 43:09
  team in the country and I'm the bottom 10.
• 43:10
  We're, I think we're like 72nd, but it's the penalties and it's
• 43:14
  the stupid penalties, 6 fall starts, 6 fall starts.
• 43:20
  We're regressing there again. We're regressing there again.
• 43:23
  We're regressing there again. And then we had a couple
• 43:26
  offsides and I know I got two guys here, one play D line, they
• 43:30
  both played on the offensive line.
• 43:33
  That's that's them. Y'all said it before Italian
• 43:36
  Brian. Like that's that's not coaching,
• 43:39
  that's you. You're supposed to do your job.
• 43:41
  You know what you're supposed to do?
• 43:44
  That's that's thinking too much about other stuff and not not
• 43:48
  staying focused on what the task at hand is because and and I
• 43:53
  know they're practicing enough where from a mental Rep
• 43:56
  standpoint, this should not be a problem.
• 43:59
  I'm I'm not concerned about that.
• 44:02
  Because if you're repping it and you're repping these situational
• 44:07
  calls where you're going on a different count, are you, are
• 44:10
  you doing this even in an even in a hostile environment like
• 44:13
  Marshall? I know that's not, you know,
• 44:14
  hostile. I'll use quotes here.
• 44:17
  It's a road game, right? So I mean that that really
• 44:21
  shouldn't be a a problem, that that is you thinking too much
• 44:25
  about your assignment or you got beat last time and you're trying
• 44:29
  to get one back. And all this other stuff, and
• 44:32
  now you know you're doing too much.
• 44:35
  Do less. It's fear.
• 44:38
  That's, that's what it is. I hate to say that as an
• 44:40
  offensive lineman, tight in a lot of times jumping outside is
• 44:44
  fear. Or if you seen even like wide
• 44:47
  receivers or somebody jumps at them and they flinch.
• 44:50
  It's fear, you know, because you're reacting to what's going
• 44:54
  on around you or what the other person is doing.
• 44:56
  I've talked about it before. When you're on that line, it's a
• 45:01
  lot of stuff that's being said. You know, you got the
• 45:03
  quarterback making calls, you got your center supposed to be
• 45:05
  calling some things out. You got their defensive captain,
• 45:09
  probably linebacker making some calls.
• 45:10
  You got your lineman switching and moving and you got lineman
• 45:14
  that's probably talking shit. And if I did to 70 what 55 did,
• 45:18
  I would be saying do y'all know what I'm about to do.
• 45:21
  I'm going to go kill your quarterback.
• 45:23
  I'm about to fuck y'all up again.
• 45:24
  We'll get some Alvin Mac folks in here.
• 45:27
  Exactly. Bad.
• 45:29
  We don't even talk about this movie right now.
• 45:31
  But, well, last piece. You can see the fear, you see
• 45:37
  the fear on our offensive line and I think it's what pisses me
• 45:40
  off. Go ahead Curtis.
• 45:42
  Well the last piece I got and it goes back to some we talked
• 45:45
  about probably 20 minutes ago. Now is we are having another,
• 45:49
  again, lack of complimentary football because we forced the
• 45:52
  turnover. We get nothing.
• 45:54
  We have a string of them going 3 and outs.
• 45:57
  We get nothing. Prac keeps preaching it,
• 46:00
  complimenting football, complimenting football.
• 46:02
  Eventually you got to do something.
• 46:04
  And The thing is, everything. We're kind of leading up to
• 46:07
  this, right? It's great.
• 46:09
  Those those four drives, they could not run the ball, they
• 46:12
  could not pass the ball. But you know what?
• 46:14
  You were so conservative and you were tight.
• 46:17
  You didn't attack. You didn't attack just like
• 46:21
  Y'all were talking about take somebody put on here a while
• 46:23
  ago, Why didn't we take a shot on 1st down when we were right
• 46:27
  there after the turnover? That's your prime time take a
• 46:29
  shot. So it's it's this whole, if you
• 46:32
  won't call any football, you've got to do the right things in
• 46:35
  those points. And right now we're not seeing
• 46:39
  it. And the bad thing is we're
• 46:41
  seeing pieces here and there. All right, Y'all got anything
• 46:44
  else on what went bad? Because I think we just went 20
• 46:46
  minutes or 25 minutes on what went bad.
• 46:49
  Yeah. And I mean, I'll, I'll finish
• 46:51
  one more thing here, wrap it up, let's take you to the next one.
• 46:54
  Yeah, you you talk about the the complimentary football, but it's
• 46:57
  also it's like we we can't seem to do each of those.
• 47:03
  Like you have buckets of things, things you have like you do
• 47:06
  every week, right. These are the things we need to
• 47:07
  do this week and like. One bucket will look good for
• 47:11
  1/4 and another bucket will look good for 1/4.
• 47:13
  Another like a different quarter and but we're not piercing
• 47:16
  together other than like coming out of the gate in the first
• 47:19
  quarter. We did never piece the rest of
• 47:22
  the game together where everyone all of those buckets were kind
• 47:26
  of working In Sync, yeah. And that's only for like a
• 47:29
  couple of possessions in the first quarter too.
• 47:31
  You know, it wasn't even, I know it was a it was a pretty quick
• 47:34
  quarter, but it was really just those first.
• 47:37
  You know, it was the the one offensive procession and where
• 47:39
  they, you know, go out and score, get the interception and
• 47:42
  then that was about it. Then it just kind of stopped,
• 47:44
  right? Especially on the offensive
• 47:46
  side. All righty.
• 47:48
  All right, let's move on to the next one.
• 47:50
  Cuz we've talked enough about that we probably could talk
• 47:52
  another 15 minutes about it, but eventually we have to move on.
• 47:55
  We have a lot more stuff talk about and the next piece is, did
• 47:59
  anything happen that you were not prepared for?
• 48:01
  I'm gonna just tell you all this, nothing shocks me anymore
• 48:04
  right now with this team. Nope, it likes to me.
• 48:11
  I got a kind of positive, I got a kind of +1 that I was really
• 48:16
  prepared for. So I we haven't seen a lot of of
• 48:20
  drones, you know him coming from Baylor and then him practicing
• 48:24
  and that's not now this is not the pat him on the back because
• 48:27
  he still has to get better. But I was shocked at how.
• 48:31
  How strong he is. If you watch some of his runs,
• 48:34
  he's starting to fall forward on that touchdown run, he wasn't
• 48:38
  supposed supposed to score. I mean, he was locked up and he
• 48:41
  broke out of there. And not only did he break out of
• 48:43
  there, he accelerated, you know? So that kind of shocked me.
• 48:48
  Now that takes me to kind of another point.
• 48:51
  Once you start seeing somebody game, once you start seeing
• 48:54
  somebody be a gamer, you got to build off of that.
• 48:57
  If you see that he has that. You got to let him cook.
• 49:02
  You got to let him do that. Hey man, you remember in the
• 49:05
  first quarter or you got bottled up and that you didn't go down.
• 49:08
  You kept your legs turning. I need that.
• 49:11
  We need 3 yards. That's what we got to see.
• 49:14
  I'm going to ask you a question to y'all because I don't know
• 49:17
  the answer. I wish I had Shelton here.
• 49:19
  How many offensive coordinators and quarterback coaches are in
• 49:23
  the in the booth like across college football?
• 49:27
  Do y'all know I I can I do not know that I'll I'll I forget
• 49:34
  while y'all talk about it. Well, it just seems to me
• 49:37
  because of what Tebow is supposed to be, you know, he's
• 49:42
  coaching the quarterbacks and they said, oh, he's close to
• 49:44
  those guys. And you have a quarterback there
• 49:48
  now in Kyron Drones that has been playing that's very young,
• 49:53
  but his skill set is a little bit different from somebody like
• 49:55
  Grant. Would it not help if he's there
• 49:59
  on the sideline and can talk to him and see what he's seeing and
• 50:03
  they can have that commentary instead of he get off.
• 50:06
  You got to pick up the phone. You know you.
• 50:08
  I don't know, man. It's just it's a it's a lot of
• 50:11
  stuff that goes on in that coaching stuff that I don't
• 50:12
  understand. This is this is where having
• 50:15
  Bowen be both the OC and the QB coach, I think becomes a little
• 50:19
  bit of a problem, I think because of what you just said.
• 50:22
  And that's a really good point. That's something I actually
• 50:24
  hadn't even thought about. And there are a lot of reasons
• 50:27
  why. So I I was actually originally
• 50:28
  okay with Bowen being the quarterbacks coach.
• 50:31
  Like, I didn't love it, but I understood it Now.
• 50:34
  I'm not as big of a fan of it and Tally.
• 50:36
  I think that was a great point. And now it's making me wonder
• 50:38
  like I'm good with the OC being in the booth normally, right?
• 50:43
  Sees, sees the whole field and all that.
• 50:45
  But usually you got the quarterback coach on the field,
• 50:47
  right? You got you know you you used to
• 50:49
  have Glen on the field just there and you know talk to wells
• 50:52
  last year don't have that anymore so.
• 50:56
  Yeah, I don't know what the right answer is there.
• 50:57
  That's a great point. And I think that would be okay
• 51:00
  if you had a experienced offensive coordinator and an
• 51:04
  experienced quarterback coach. But Bowen is neither right now.
• 51:09
  Yeah. So it's kind of that double
• 51:11
  whammy and as someone that has been on the been on the sideline
• 51:15
  and been in a booth and in a game situation talking about you
• 51:18
  in the booth. I hated being the booth.
• 51:23
  I mean, I'm an energy guy. I I need the energy of the
• 51:26
  sideline to kind of get in the right mindset and like get hyper
• 51:30
  focused on what I'm seeing being in the booth.
• 51:32
  It was too detached from that for me.
• 51:36
  And I feel like with when you got a inexperienced quarterback,
• 51:41
  you got an inexperienced coordinator and and he's
• 51:44
  inexperienced at coaching the quarterback position.
• 51:48
  Any way that they can engage more dynamically on the
• 51:51
  sideline, I feel like would be a good thing in terms of both
• 51:54
  Bowen's growth and drones growth.
• 51:58
  I'm I'm with you on that and I think it's you'll make really
• 52:01
  good points across about he needs to be down there.
• 52:03
  But the question is who do you put in the booth then you're
• 52:06
  going to have, you're going to have.
• 52:08
  Right now there's only one guy up there, Cuz Fontel's on the
• 52:11
  field, Crook's on the field and Stew's on the field.
• 52:13
  And I see it. Four of the offensive coaching
• 52:16
  staff members are on the field. It's only Bowen and probably an
• 52:20
  analyst up in the booth. If you bring him down, who goes
• 52:24
  up? It's not.
• 52:24
  It's got to be. It's got to be.
• 52:26
  Brooks. It's got to be Brooks and I
• 52:29
  don't know how often Brooks has been up there, but I will say
• 52:32
  this and and you know Coach Pride, if you listen to this, we
• 52:36
  still love you. Please come back next year.
• 52:40
  But let's be realistic though. We have seen pride make changes.
• 52:44
  He's not afraid to do something different.
• 52:46
  We saw it in the offseason. We've already seen it this
• 52:48
  season because remember last year, Glenn and Bowen were in
• 52:52
  the booth, then Glenn came down later in the season.
• 52:56
  Remember that, that to his credit, he will make the changes
• 53:03
  and then you just have to decide who goes up.
• 53:05
  Because right now, if y'all look it's Fontelle is effectively the
• 53:08
  guy getting the huddle, calling those first set of plays and
• 53:14
  sending them to the field. He's the juice guy.
• 53:16
  He's also getting getting the calls in.
• 53:18
  But the other thing is you see a lot of times and y'all follow a
• 53:21
  lot of football. Usually the wide receivers coach
• 53:24
  is up in the booth to effectively see what's the
• 53:27
  backs, coverages and to see what routes or should we rerunning
• 53:30
  into. So we'll see how that goes.
• 53:32
  All right. Anything else?
• 53:35
  Brian, you already mentioned your anything else y'all we're
• 53:37
  not prepared for. Tally went positive there.
• 53:42
  As positive as you could be after losing the Marshall, I'm
• 53:48
  laughing at comments here. So.
• 53:49
  Yeah, I was reading that too. And Jerry still let it, man.
• 53:58
  Listen, we we we can't fire somebody every 15 games.
• 54:02
  Y'all y'all got to put that in your head.
• 54:03
  Where's the money coming from? Where's the?
• 54:05
  Because if you pull him out right now, if you can pay 23 and
• 54:08
  a half million dollars stroke to check, get him out, nobody'd
• 54:11
  have a problem. Are we still?
• 54:12
  Paying for Are we still paying for Winte?
• 54:14
  We're still paying for Winte. That's why I thought so.
• 54:17
  If you got 33 million, stroke it to the athletic department.
• 54:20
  We can get rid of pride. Yeah, shit don't work like that.
• 54:23
  You can't just fire, fire fire fire, by the way.
• 54:26
  We don't have Tennessee booster money.
• 54:29
  Tennessee didn't even do that shit.
• 54:30
  They gave guys three years at least before they fired him.
• 54:34
  Y'all this ain't mad and this ain't college football on your
• 54:36
  PlayStation. You've got to look through the
• 54:38
  lens of if it goes really bad this year, he's got next year to
• 54:42
  win a lot of games and that's it.
• 54:45
  But I think we also this year and he turns it around this year
• 54:49
  by the way and ready. All love, baby.
• 54:53
  All love. All love.
• 54:55
  We we get heated. No we get heated.
• 54:57
  We won't our program to be good because we've seen it good.
• 55:00
  And I think the other thing, so we'll say this real quick just
• 55:02
  to kind of piggyback on that, you know, when we talk about
• 55:06
  this whole coaching thing like. I love what Dion's doing in
• 55:10
  Colorado. That's not something that you
• 55:12
  can replicate in every scenario across the country one.
• 55:17
  Of 1, Even when you talk about bringing in a former player,
• 55:21
  like highest profile possible, it's Dion is Dion.
• 55:27
  Dion's always been Dion one of one.
• 55:30
  There's like he's one of one and there's only like maybe two or
• 55:34
  three other guys even in that category that.
• 55:38
  Took the path that he took to kind of get there, right?
• 55:40
  So hold on, hold on. You want to talk about Dion?
• 55:43
  He started coaching high school football over a decade ago.
• 55:48
  He started coaching high school football.
• 55:50
  He did from 12 to 13. Then he went to Trinity
• 55:53
  Christian, which I believe is a pretty top notch where he was an
• 55:56
  OC. Wagon.
• 55:59
  Then he went to Jackson State. Dion just didn't jump into
• 56:03
  Colorado. Dion took this as his path.
• 56:06
  Deon started this in 2012. Did everybody know that?
• 56:11
  Did everybody know Deon was coaching high school football in
• 56:13
  Texas for damn near 8 years where he took to Jackson State
• 56:16
  job? Nobody did.
• 56:18
  If you did, you ain't been paying attention.
• 56:20
  I'll go on a small a small tangent here just so people
• 56:24
  understand how, because they talk about the culture and
• 56:26
  stuff. And I guess I got to be the
• 56:27
  black spokesperson for this. So a lot of people have hitched
• 56:32
  their wagon to Deon because. High talks, high dresses, things
• 56:36
  that he does with his team, how outspoken he is, which beyond
• 56:42
  coaches like he played. He's prime time.
• 56:45
  He's the only person who can do that and get away with that.
• 56:49
  There is a lot of black coaches out there too, and I want to say
• 56:52
  a lot as in millions, hundreds, thousands, 20, but I'm saying
• 56:58
  there's a lot of good black coaches out there.
• 57:00
  You talk about Locksley, you talk about.
• 57:04
  James Franklin, You know those guys are undefeated right now.
• 57:07
  You know when you talk about black coaches being at big time
• 57:11
  programs, I say all that to say, the thing that bothers me about
• 57:16
  Dion is that I feel that and I don't want to mess this up.
• 57:22
  But he's put a target on his back.
• 57:23
  He's put a target on his team's back and now they got to live up
• 57:27
  to it. You know, I know they only won
• 57:30
  one game last year, no games last year.
• 57:32
  They won three. Great job.
• 57:35
  But going and getting Curb stopped by Oregon didn't look
• 57:38
  good. And then now you got USC that
• 57:41
  you got an answer to and you're a 20 point underdog and that.
• 57:44
  And then you know he goes and he says, well they better get me
• 57:47
  now because it's the worst I'm going to be.
• 57:48
  I've heard that before and his name was Justin Fuente.
• 57:53
  That comment didn't doesn't resonate that well with me.
• 57:56
  So Dion has a lot of work to do with his players and his team.
• 58:00
  If he wants to go to that next level and start to, you know,
• 58:03
  win those big time games and things like that, Kudos the deal
• 58:06
  for what he's doing though. All right, all right, y'all
• 58:09
  let's just talk real quick because we've got two more
• 58:12
  things before we hit break here. What can we do better moving
• 58:15
  forward? Brian, I'm going to let you
• 58:17
  leave this because we we've been talking about 70 a lot.
• 58:25
  Yeah, you got to get Brody at left at right tackle there.
• 58:28
  Get Brody Meadows at right tackle.
• 58:30
  I know he's mostly played guard so far in the season, but
• 58:33
  there's a when we when we look at the 2D, Brody's listed as the
• 58:37
  backup left tackle, OK, but the the 2D means Jack shit for an
• 58:41
  offensive line. You're really talking about your
• 58:43
  five starters plus two guys that you're comfortable with, maybe
• 58:46
  three at the most that you're comfortable with playing in the
• 58:49
  game, so. Given where the depth chart is
• 58:53
  and where Brody's played, they're essentially using him as
• 58:56
  a guy that can be a kind of a swing tackle.
• 58:57
  Swing guard can jump in either of those spots when needed.
• 59:01
  Get him at right tackle, get Parker off the field.
• 59:04
  He's got lazy feet, he's not graded and run blocking.
• 59:08
  Get him off the field. He is a big, big, big time
• 59:13
  hindrance to both the running game and pass pro at this point.
• 59:18
  And and really disappointing because you know by all accounts
• 59:21
  had a really good spring and good offseason and then you know
• 59:24
  we we see a couple things here there and now the you know the
• 59:28
  the wheels falling off the wagon again.
• 59:29
  So yeah, get Parker off the field.
• 59:33
  Get Brody Meadows in there, Mike.
• 59:35
  What you got, man? Just play some complimentary
• 59:39
  football for the love of God like it doesn't need to.
• 59:44
  Be thanks, Coach Brian. It doesn't have to be that God
• 59:46
  damn difficult. Like just run the football,
• 59:50
  stick with it when it's working. If the passing game's working,
• 59:54
  stick with that. Run fits.
• 59:57
  Clean it up, wrap up. It doesn't.
• 1:00:01
  This does not have to be as difficult as we're making it,
• 1:00:04
  and it's not. I'm so sick of hearing the
• 1:00:05
  talent excuse too. Like I, I, I will look last
• 1:00:11
  year, yes, go last year, yes. Go play Florida State.
• 1:00:14
  Talent issue? Fine.
• 1:00:16
  Go play other, you know, go play NC State later in the year.
• 1:00:19
  If you want to talk about talent issue, that's fine there.
• 1:00:23
  The teams that Tech's played so far through four games, this
• 1:00:27
  isn't a talent thing. This is a coaching thing.
• 1:00:30
  I mean these are, these are four, these are four teams that
• 1:00:35
  you know could be had. It wasn't like Virginia Tech was
• 1:00:38
  going into these games, the two touchdown underdog.
• 1:00:40
  Right, so. Rutgers is probably the only
• 1:00:43
  team that is close to us in terms of talent.
• 1:00:47
  You might give them the slight edge beak at home.
• 1:00:49
  We shouldn't have got waxed the way we did waxed the score ended
• 1:00:55
  up looking a little bit better than that game actually went for
• 1:00:59
  much of the second-half. I mean it was we'll come back at
• 1:01:02
  the end there. But yeah, Tally, what about you?
• 1:01:06
  Was one thing we got to do better moving forward.
• 1:01:08
  I was going to say it earlier, but you got to give Tooten.
• 1:01:12
  You got to give Tooten more run. I did say that part earlier.
• 1:01:15
  I don't know man, Malachi just he doesn't look the same as as I
• 1:01:19
  remember him looking with just how he's running.
• 1:01:23
  So I don't know why we keep trying to go back to him.
• 1:01:26
  We haven't seen Chance Black, we haven't seen Bryce Duke.
• 1:01:30
  So if we're not going to see them, you got to tell Tooten.
• 1:01:33
  Look, man, if you're tired, just fall down on the field.
• 1:01:37
  Because you're getting the ball 40 fucking times.
• 1:01:39
  If we if we if. If we are moving the ball, you
• 1:01:43
  running it. That's what's happening.
• 1:01:46
  Give him the ball, man. Give him some runs.
• 1:01:49
  Yeah, where has Chance black man?
• 1:01:50
  I feel like. I feel like he's been walking
• 1:01:51
  for. Nowhere right now.
• 1:01:54
  He's not been on any. I don't think I've seen 28 on
• 1:01:56
  the field at all this year. Now, where's David Cunningham
• 1:01:59
  when we need him? David could pull up and tell us
• 1:02:00
  if he's had the staff. David, if you're out there
• 1:02:03
  listening tonight, throw us in the chat or text one of us.
• 1:02:06
  All right, we are a third of the way through the season at one
• 1:02:09
  and four, obviously, if y'all can't tell, we went on an hour
• 1:02:12
  and 3 minutes. We're pissed about the record,
• 1:02:15
  we're pissed about all the things happening, right?
• 1:02:17
  Y'all are pissed. We see it over here in the chat.
• 1:02:20
  Y'all are pissed and there's people out there not responding
• 1:02:23
  that are sending Dms, Twitter, Facebook.
• 1:02:26
  Everybody's pissed right now. So I wanna ask y'all this and?
• 1:02:32
  Who do I start with last time? Ron.
• 1:02:34
  Mike, I'll start with you this time.
• 1:02:36
  What's the one thing in the next four games?
• 1:02:38
  You have to see I've harped enough on the run, fits.
• 1:02:44
  Offensive, offensive, offensive identity.
• 1:02:48
  What kind of team do you want to be?
• 1:02:50
  I get that you have injuries at receiver.
• 1:02:53
  You had an injury at quarterback that changed the Staffs thinking
• 1:02:56
  as far as you know what they can and can't do, right, We got to
• 1:03:01
  see some sort of offense by daddy, right?
• 1:03:04
  Jalen Lane. I think it's starting to get
• 1:03:05
  healthier. Jennings is going to be out a
• 1:03:07
  while. But drones is the guy, right?
• 1:03:11
  I mean, Wells can get healthy, but in my opinion, drones is the
• 1:03:14
  guy. So what kind of offense do you
• 1:03:16
  want to be under Kyron? Drones.
• 1:03:18
  Because you got to figure out here in year two when you're
• 1:03:21
  rebuilding, it's not going well. You got to figure out, at least
• 1:03:23
  on the offensive side, if Kyron Drones is going to be your
• 1:03:25
  quarterback moving forward. That's what you got to decide
• 1:03:27
  this year. You got to figure that out.
• 1:03:29
  If, if you're not going to come out, if you're going to lose
• 1:03:31
  every game, the rest of the schedule, you at least got to
• 1:03:34
  figure out who your quarterback is going to be next year.
• 1:03:36
  Because we already have an inexperienced offensive
• 1:03:39
  coordinator, we have an inexperienced defensive
• 1:03:40
  coordinator and we have a first time head coach.
• 1:03:43
  We can't miss on quarterback too.
• 1:03:44
  You got to figure out who your quarterback's going to be.
• 1:03:46
  So we got to figure out offense by Daddy over the next four
• 1:03:49
  games. All right, Tally.
• 1:03:51
  What about you, man? What do you got to see the next
• 1:03:52
  four games? I just say making adjustments
• 1:03:55
  quicker. You know, I think I see some
• 1:03:57
  adjustments on defense and. Even offense in the fourth
• 1:04:01
  quarter, we've seen some adjustments, but those
• 1:04:03
  adjustments have to be made a lot quicker than they've been
• 1:04:06
  being made. And it's like it's not stuff
• 1:04:09
  that's hard. You know what I'm saying?
• 1:04:12
  I don't even say that. Those two words that might keep
• 1:04:14
  saying bum, bum, you got to do those.
• 1:04:17
  Like when you see those are gone, you got to go talk and
• 1:04:20
  have those and correct them. If somebody can't do that on the
• 1:04:23
  field, let's go to somebody else.
• 1:04:25
  I'm okay with playing all freshmen and losing every game.
• 1:04:29
  I I'm Okay with Kyron drones losing every game.
• 1:04:33
  If we're trying to figure out what we're doing moving forward,
• 1:04:36
  you know what I'm saying? If we're putting in offensive
• 1:04:38
  lineman that are freshmen and they're getting blew up because
• 1:04:41
  our seniors again blew up, Okay well at least we got some run
• 1:04:45
  for next year. We can, we can talk about the
• 1:04:47
  the youth movement, but I need to see those adjustments being
• 1:04:52
  made much quicker than they are in the games that we can at
• 1:04:55
  least have a chance to win. Take a look.
• 1:05:00
  I said it on Twitter or X or whatever the fuck we're calling
• 1:05:03
  it now. Twitter You tweeted it.
• 1:05:06
  I'll say it again. I need to see four quarters of
• 1:05:10
  competent coaching and play execution.
• 1:05:14
  If you get beat, you get beat. But when you are not executing
• 1:05:20
  and when the coaches are not correcting, when the coaches are
• 1:05:24
  going away from a game plan, that's working.
• 1:05:28
  Then that's not competent quarterback play.
• 1:05:30
  That's not competent coaching. That's not competent execution
• 1:05:33
  by the guys at the trenches, the guys at the linebacker core.
• 1:05:38
  I need to see four quarters of that, win or lose, get your ass
• 1:05:42
  beat. Whatever it is, I I need the
• 1:05:44
  product to look like it's supposed to.
• 1:05:47
  And to Mike's point earlier, you know the offensive identity.
• 1:05:52
  I felt like we had some of that against Rutgers.
• 1:05:55
  That was kind of if we could. Take steps off of what that is.
• 1:06:00
  I could live with that offense because at least I know what
• 1:06:04
  it's trying to do. But could, but.
• 1:06:06
  But we could probably live with the offense that we saw on
• 1:06:10
  those, what, four to five drives?
• 1:06:12
  At Marshall, it was like power runs, taking shots, quick
• 1:06:16
  slants. It's like a little screen or
• 1:06:18
  two. OK, that's what you are.
• 1:06:21
  You're almost like a jab, jab, monster throw.
• 1:06:24
  That's what you are. You're not just slinging
• 1:06:26
  haymakers all the time. All right, I got one before we
• 1:06:30
  go to break here and mine is it's kind of going to hinder
• 1:06:32
  what Tally said, make the right personnel decisions regardless
• 1:06:35
  of winning or losing. If a senior or junior is just
• 1:06:39
  not cutting it, what's Pete saying there?
• 1:06:45
  Pete, we do something good. Hold on.
• 1:06:48
  I'm gonna. Mess with him right here, Pete.
• 1:06:49
  We're punting the ball. Good.
• 1:06:50
  Peter Moore is booming the hell out of it this year.
• 1:06:52
  He's. If Peter Moore was kicking like
• 1:06:54
  he was last year, we might have lost a few games by more than
• 1:06:57
  one score. So for the 13 yard point, he did
• 1:07:00
  what last? Week.
• 1:07:01
  Oh, you talk about the killer. He said.
• 1:07:03
  He said 22 punts this year that have just been like,
• 1:07:06
  uncharacteristically short, you know what it was.
• 1:07:08
  And then the rest have been fucking boom sticks.
• 1:07:11
  Yes. Bad time, yeah.
• 1:07:13
  Those two punts too, it's like he was trying to kick him as
• 1:07:16
  deep as possible and like it land at the three and then zip
• 1:07:20
  back and you're like. Still inside the 15, he'd boom
• 1:07:22
  the shit out of it, but make the right personnel decisions if
• 1:07:25
  there's juniors and seniors not doing it.
• 1:07:27
  Cuz right now I did the I did a data dive.
• 1:07:29
  Y'all offensively, snaps counted. 50% are red shirt.
• 1:07:34
  Sophomores are younger, 50% are juniors.
• 1:07:36
  Defense is 5347 with the older guys, and that's an older guys
• 1:07:41
  with a lot of them on the line. And y'all know they do not
• 1:07:43
  rotate as much as they do other players.
• 1:07:46
  You've got to make it right. Brian's already called for
• 1:07:48
  Meadows to write tackle. I'll, I'll go one up on you,
• 1:07:51
  Brian. We've mentioned a few times on
• 1:07:52
  this program and I don't know if you've been listening to it.
• 1:07:57
  Mike put Jack Hollyfield at center.
• 1:07:59
  Kate more back out to guard. Yeah yeah you can't.
• 1:08:02
  The the more experiment at center is a, He's a.
• 1:08:06
  I don't think it's a disaster. I think he's OK, but he is a
• 1:08:09
  dominant right guard. If, look, I I will live, I will
• 1:08:15
  live with having a young guy at center because at least at that
• 1:08:17
  point we'll have a good right guard there.
• 1:08:19
  You go right because right now we don't have a good right guard
• 1:08:22
  or a good center. So at least get one position
• 1:08:25
  right? Yes, I heard.
• 1:08:26
  I've, I've heard you guys talk about that.
• 1:08:28
  You're around the money. By the way, this is a buddy we
• 1:08:30
  went to high school with. We got, we got.
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  We didn't know Mario for since we were in, since I was in 7th
• 1:08:44
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• 1:08:46
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  against the pit Panthers also one and three coming in and I
• 1:10:25
  take a look here. We got to know the enemy.
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  And we're going to talk on the offense first.
• 1:10:32
  Always like to start with the offense first because it's a lot
• 1:10:34
  more to discuss. And Brian, let's talk about the
• 1:10:36
  scheme. We got Frank Signetti, someone
• 1:10:38
  we're very familiar with, running that offense up the pit.
• 1:10:42
  Yeah, I mean, you're looking at pro style scheme, got some RPO
• 1:10:46
  elements mixed in there. But it's, you know, pretty
• 1:10:48
  straightforward Pro Style scheme.
• 1:10:50
  They they definitely thrive on explosive plays.
• 1:10:52
  They want to stretch you downfield.
• 1:10:54
  They want to hit you with the big gasher in the running game.
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  They don't quite hit the home run the same way they did last
• 1:11:00
  year and that's part of the reason why they are one in three
• 1:11:04
  and not coming in at least at 500 or better because they're
• 1:11:07
  not hitting those explosive plays, especially in the passing
• 1:11:09
  game. Alrighty and and it is something
• 1:11:15
  they they also lost their home run threat at running back.
• 1:11:19
  And we know that very personally from last year.
• 1:11:22
  But let's talk about the quarterbacks first.
• 1:11:23
  Cuz right now, not a controversy per se, but if y'all didn't see
• 1:11:27
  that UNC game build Your covers got the shit knocked out of him
• 1:11:31
  in the second quarter of that game, he was Koed for that game.
• 1:11:36
  Christian Delu, the three star who was originally committed to
• 1:11:39
  Penn State. Someone tech flirted with.
• 1:11:43
  In the offseason did come in, he did not have a good game against
• 1:11:47
  UNC at all. He threw 2 picks, he threw 45%,
• 1:11:50
  he looked not good at all and you know Jakovich isn't having a
• 1:11:55
  good season also this year, just over 50% passing, 4 touchdowns,
• 1:12:00
  3 interceptions. And the the worst part about
• 1:12:02
  this, I don't know if y'all have been paying attention.
• 1:12:04
  He's their second leading rusher, like in as far as the
• 1:12:08
  temps go. And I know Phil's a big kid, but
• 1:12:11
  and you know Phil was an elite guy coming out, he's and he has
• 1:12:14
  not lived up to those expectations.
• 1:12:15
  So, Brian, I know you're going to talk about them a little bit.
• 1:12:20
  Is there a lot of similarities between these two?
• 1:12:21
  Guys, some. I mean, obviously Christian's
• 1:12:27
  not a big body quarterback like Phil.
• 1:12:30
  Phil Phil's definitely like that.
• 1:12:32
  Ben Roethlisberger. Light type quarterback, big
• 1:12:35
  body, little wiggle, decent quickness.
• 1:12:39
  But he he has a big arm likes to take the shots down field, shows
• 1:12:44
  accuracy at at most of the levels of that those those shots
• 1:12:48
  are pretty accurate but they just haven't had the separation
• 1:12:51
  of the playmakers outside to to really take as much advantage of
• 1:12:54
  that this year and really been inefficient because of that and
• 1:12:59
  but he had settled in a little bit in that UNC game before he
• 1:13:03
  got the shit knocked out of him. All righty, Mike.
• 1:13:08
  Who you expecting to see Saturday night?
• 1:13:11
  I mean, based on that hit, I'm expecting to see Vayu, which I
• 1:13:15
  think would be good news for Virginia Tech, actually.
• 1:13:17
  Because if you could find a quarterback that has looked
• 1:13:19
  worse than Phil Jarkovic, it's Christian Vayu, at least in
• 1:13:22
  limited in a limited sample size, Jarkovic's been really
• 1:13:25
  bad. I don't know if it's his wrist
• 1:13:29
  from two years ago or what. He does not look right, you
• 1:13:32
  know, throwing the football. It just does not look like it
• 1:13:35
  did in 2020 when he kind of burst onto the scene for BCI
• 1:13:39
  don't know what happened, but he is just not even close to the
• 1:13:42
  same guy. So doesn't inspire a whole lot
• 1:13:45
  of confidence. You know, rolling him out there.
• 1:13:48
  Bayou just didn't look comfortable against North
• 1:13:50
  Carolina through the two picks. Very low completion percentage
• 1:13:54
  did not look good. I would expect to see Bayou.
• 1:13:57
  I haven't seen any sort of like practice reports or anything
• 1:13:59
  like that. So I don't know what your Kovic
• 1:14:01
  situation is, but I think either way, you know, if Pitt goes out
• 1:14:06
  and throws for a million yards in this game, it's an indictment
• 1:14:08
  on Virginia Tech's defense, right?
• 1:14:10
  We talked about the secondary and the fact that Tech hasn't.
• 1:14:12
  Tech hasn't been stopping the run, and that's why the past
• 1:14:14
  defense is ranked how it is. We all think there's talent, the
• 1:14:17
  secondary, no question about it. But you know, this is one of
• 1:14:20
  those games where pit's going to try to throw it a little bit
• 1:14:23
  here. And if they're completing passes
• 1:14:25
  deep down the field with these quarterbacks, with how they've
• 1:14:27
  looked so far, it's bad news. Big time, Big time.
• 1:14:32
  And you know talking more about the you, you know he struggled
• 1:14:35
  with that ball placement and decision making, not as
• 1:14:39
  efficient with the deep ball as as Jacobic was at his height.
• 1:14:43
  Really not, not even in that ballpark with what we've seen
• 1:14:46
  from him so far this year, which is significantly diminished.
• 1:14:49
  But I think from from Jacobic's standpoint, I think a lot of
• 1:14:52
  it's starting to get mental like he does not handle a pass rush
• 1:14:57
  very well anymore and I think. Between the injuries to the
• 1:15:01
  wrist, the injuries he had last year and getting really beat up
• 1:15:04
  behind that really pretty awful pass pro from that BC offensive
• 1:15:09
  line last year, he's he looks kind of shell shocked.
• 1:15:12
  So he just doesn't seem like the same type of quarterback.
• 1:15:16
  You know he showed some willingness to run early in the
• 1:15:20
  in that that second-half they really went away from the,
• 1:15:23
  especially after he put the ball on the ground with that that
• 1:15:26
  snap exchange. I'd say he's decent athleticism,
• 1:15:31
  probably a little more athletic kind of getting out of the
• 1:15:35
  pocket then maybe a Grant Wells but not the the kind of the top
• 1:15:38
  end that you would see from from a guy like drones kind of
• 1:15:41
  getting outside there. So he he will run, but he didn't
• 1:15:45
  run very much very effectively in in the second-half there
• 1:15:48
  after he had a couple couple decent attempts kind of start
• 1:15:51
  that that second-half off. Tell any questions you think you
• 1:15:54
  want to add about the quarterback situation up a pit
• 1:15:57
  we will see this weekend. We need to worry about who the
• 1:16:01
  running backs. All right.
• 1:16:04
  That's all I want to hear about. Here we go.
• 1:16:06
  He he what a great segue. Tally knows how to do this like
• 1:16:09
  he's been doing a few years. Professional, professional,
• 1:16:12
  professional and. You know, so, he said.
• 1:16:13
  Fucking quarterbacks. Let's hear the running backs.
• 1:16:16
  They worry. About yeah, Tally.
• 1:16:19
  What what did what did what did Mike say?
• 1:16:21
  58 1/2 yards a carry on 2 carries.
• 1:16:24
  We ain't worried about throwing the ball.
• 1:16:26
  Rodney Hammond Junior is the guy we want to worry about.
• 1:16:29
  A Virginia kid from Norfolk class in 20/21, he was an 87
• 1:16:33
  ranked guy. He was a top 15 player in the
• 1:16:36
  state on the composite top 2247 and you know his career he's
• 1:16:40
  been there, you know, for a couple years.
• 1:16:44
  He was sitting behind Izzy about a condo.
• 1:16:47
  That's the name I'll never forget in all my years.
• 1:16:50
  Had a little run last year. But Brian?
• 1:16:53
  Just me looking at it and looking at the data, they
• 1:16:56
  haven't really decided like if he's the guy because everybody
• 1:17:00
  on that back field is going to get a little bit of run.
• 1:17:03
  Yeah, everybody's been getting a little run.
• 1:17:04
  He's he's an interesting back. He's he shows pretty good vision
• 1:17:08
  between the tackles. I think the thing that probably
• 1:17:11
  stands out the most is that he's he's very much that type of back
• 1:17:14
  that's going to fight for those extra yards, especially for a
• 1:17:18
  guy his size hard to bring down. Not as explosive at the second
• 1:17:22
  level as we saw from Izzy last year, so in theory we shouldn't
• 1:17:27
  be giving up 300 yards rushing to to to a player this year.
• 1:17:32
  So in theory, but I will say Hammond is probably better out
• 1:17:37
  of the backfield catching the ball and making stuff happen in
• 1:17:40
  space than that Izzy was in on that regard.
• 1:17:43
  So look for him to catch a a few balls out of the backfield.
• 1:17:48
  He's done that a couple times this year.
• 1:17:50
  Remember looking at the tape last year, the West Virginia
• 1:17:53
  game where he had a big reception bill for a touchdown
• 1:17:56
  in that game. So he's got that capability, but
• 1:18:02
  it's just it's if we can get our run fits, we should be all
• 1:18:04
  right, which is I'm not very confident about.
• 1:18:08
  I'm not confident at all Mike Tally.
• 1:18:10
  I'll get anything from Brian here.
• 1:18:11
  Anything y'all want to add about Rodney Hammond or any of the
• 1:18:15
  running backs down at Pitt? He's a good player.
• 1:18:18
  Just tackle. Just tackle him.
• 1:18:20
  And that's the point. It's just tackling cuz we're
• 1:18:22
  hearing right there what Brian said.
• 1:18:24
  He's not the burner. Ali is a burner.
• 1:18:27
  You say what you wanna say, Racine.
• 1:18:29
  Holly is a burner. He gets upfield, he gets the
• 1:18:31
  gap, he can go. I'd be interested.
• 1:18:34
  Listen for Fleameister and Carter.
• 1:18:36
  Those are other two guys have been getting run in their
• 1:18:38
  backfield. They only trail Hammond by about
• 1:18:42
  17 carries. So if you do the math over four
• 1:18:44
  games, that's only about four different carries a game.
• 1:18:48
  And I know Hammond's biggest game came against you and see
• 1:18:51
  where you got 89 yards on about 15 carries.
• 1:18:55
  And they've historically been kind of a ride with the hot
• 1:18:58
  handed running back type team. You know, we saw that Hammond
• 1:19:02
  was kind of the hot, hot hand against.
• 1:19:05
  Yeah, some of the tape I watched last year with with with Pitt,
• 1:19:09
  they rode him a couple games. I know a Band of Canada was
• 1:19:11
  banged up one of those, but they they have a willingness to ride
• 1:19:16
  whatever is working in the running back game.
• 1:19:19
  So you know, if if it's working, they're going to keep that guy
• 1:19:23
  and unless he needs to come off for a blow all.
• 1:19:25
  Right, let's flip next and let's go to.
• 1:19:30
  Con Kanata mumfield boom nailed to Curtis.
• 1:19:34
  Yeah, really. Usually I screw those up
• 1:19:37
  completely. So you know a 6 foot, 175 pound
• 1:19:41
  wide out came to pit fight of the transfer portal I believe
• 1:19:48
  from Akron, right? They come from Akron, they came
• 1:19:51
  from Akron and so far this year leading the team 16 receptions.
• 1:19:57
  He only has 183 yards. Yep, it was Akron.
• 1:20:01
  Thank goodness I got that right. Got 500 yards last year over
• 1:20:05
  about right about 60 receptions. So he does look like he is
• 1:20:09
  there, sort of. Is he their number one Brian or
• 1:20:12
  is he just a part of the offense?
• 1:20:14
  He's their number one wide out, but they have, again, they
• 1:20:19
  haven't had a ton of success in the passing game so far this
• 1:20:22
  year. So he's kind of more of their
• 1:20:24
  stick mover, not really consistent deep threat.
• 1:20:28
  Again, they haven't really established that this year the
• 1:20:32
  way they have in the, you know, the years past when they've been
• 1:20:34
  a little bit of a better, a better passing team and he does
• 1:20:38
  most of his eating in that kind of short to intermediate range.
• 1:20:41
  They'll use them on screen slants occasionally see a dig
• 1:20:45
  here and there so that that's kind of his bread and butter.
• 1:20:48
  So he's mostly a guy that they're going to use to move the
• 1:20:49
  sticks. The next guy we're going to talk
• 1:20:51
  about is kind of the guy that they've taken most of the shots
• 1:20:53
  with this year. Who's that tally?
• 1:20:56
  So the next guy is there tied in Gavin Bartholomew.
• 1:21:00
  He was a three star, a three star athlete out of I'm not even
• 1:21:05
  going to try to say the name somewhere in PA class of 2021.
• 1:21:13
  One second here I had it pulled up.
• 1:21:17
  Like Brian said, they've been using him and kind of taking
• 1:21:21
  shots with him. He is right at about. 216 I
• 1:21:28
  believe on yardage this year, getting it pulled back up here,
• 1:21:33
  right? So he's he's on pace for
• 1:21:34
  somewhere around 700 yards receiving.
• 1:21:37
  Yeah he's a big big target at 65250.
• 1:21:43
  Big, big tight in he's yeah, 9 receptions, 260 yards having
• 1:21:48
  right at 24. Yeah, right, At 24 yard a catch
• 1:21:53
  and. Yeah, willfully.
• 1:21:55
  Yeah, one touchdown already. And again from last year, just,
• 1:22:01
  you know, going over his year to year.
• 1:22:04
  Last year he had 21 catches for 283 over the whole season and
• 1:22:13
  two touchdowns. And this year, he's already got
• 1:22:15
  216. Yeah, and some of that is the
• 1:22:18
  fact that the the wide receiver group has dropped off a little
• 1:22:21
  bit. Some of that is just he's
• 1:22:22
  developed into a better player. He's like a slightly bigger Kobe
• 1:22:27
  Flaner. I don't want to bring up Ghost
• 1:22:30
  of Bowl Games Pass, but kind of reminds me of that in terms of
• 1:22:35
  the way he plays and the way he likes to get up the scene.
• 1:22:37
  They use him a lot at the scene. They'll throw those kind of slot
• 1:22:41
  fades, deep crossers, tight in wheels, that that's really his
• 1:22:46
  bread and butter. That's where he's been getting a
• 1:22:47
  lot of that yardage. So definitely more of a big play
• 1:22:52
  threat than the typical stick move, stick mover, red zone
• 1:22:55
  threat that you see from your typical tight ends.
• 1:22:58
  And I'd say he's deceptively athletic that when you look at
• 1:23:00
  him on tape, he doesn't look like very unassuming in terms of
• 1:23:03
  his athleticism, but it kind of it, it jumps off the more you
• 1:23:06
  watch. Absolutely.
• 1:23:09
  All right, let's quickly hit their offensive line.
• 1:23:12
  And Mike, let me hit you with this before Brian breaks into
• 1:23:14
  it. It was announced yesterday all
• 1:23:17
  ACC tackle Matt Doncavas is out for the season.
• 1:23:20
  Killer hat. I mean, how big of a loss is
• 1:23:23
  that for Pitt right now? Big deal cuz they have a pretty
• 1:23:26
  good offensive line. It's a killer.
• 1:23:30
  You lose an all conference lineman at those.
• 1:23:32
  Those aren't easy to replace, right?
• 1:23:34
  I mean, we're talking about the Virginia Tech offensive line
• 1:23:36
  and. There's nobody, there's nobody
• 1:23:40
  sniffing that, right? So it's true.
• 1:23:42
  Yeah, it's it's an absolute killer and and Pitt does have a
• 1:23:45
  pretty decent offensive line. They've gotten better as the
• 1:23:48
  seasons gone along too. And you know, we could talk
• 1:23:51
  about the issues with Jacobic and everything else and and the
• 1:23:53
  run game issues. That has kind of been with him.
• 1:23:56
  It's kind of been fits and starts this year.
• 1:23:58
  But I chalk that up more to play calling than the actual
• 1:24:01
  offensive line. The offensive line is pretty
• 1:24:02
  solid. Yeah, that was my take away to
• 1:24:05
  looking at them. I mean, they're not elite.
• 1:24:07
  You know, Kyle was definitely the the most elite on that line.
• 1:24:10
  But it just as a unit, they're not really that elite, but very
• 1:24:12
  solid across the board. They do really well to get to
• 1:24:15
  the second level, which you know, doesn't really bode well
• 1:24:18
  for some of the problems we've had with run fits.
• 1:24:21
  If they're getting to the second level, getting on our
• 1:24:22
  linebackers, we're back to having a former wide receiver
• 1:24:27
  being the guy that's coming up to make that play that's going
• 1:24:29
  to stop a potential touchdown. So spooky hours a little bit
• 1:24:34
  there, but you know, definitely the guy was going out.
• 1:24:39
  That's going to be a big knock to them.
• 1:24:41
  We'll see how that impacts pass pro, we'll see how that, how
• 1:24:44
  that impacts their running game. So definitely a big loss.
• 1:24:47
  So we'll see if that that turns out to be something that, you
• 1:24:51
  know, rears its head in this game.
• 1:24:53
  Before we flip over to defense, Brian, what do you think it
• 1:24:55
  affects more with them? You watch some of the tape the
• 1:24:58
  last few days. I mean, because you're talking
• 1:25:01
  about them getting to the second level.
• 1:25:03
  I sit here and think, if you've got an elite left tackle, a lot
• 1:25:06
  of guys don't have to think right.
• 1:25:08
  Those interior guys don't have to think about anything.
• 1:25:10
  It's like he's got it. I don't need to worry about him
• 1:25:15
  and it makes it easy. I know you play with a really
• 1:25:17
  good left tackle at Sydney and I know for you it was just like,
• 1:25:20
  get the fuck up field. Yeah, I mean, Jared, Jared
• 1:25:24
  Stearns was locked down, so I didn't have to worry about him.
• 1:25:27
  But I'd say it hurts more on the pass pro, especially if you're
• 1:25:30
  rolling Christian out there instead of Phil because you're
• 1:25:35
  already having a quarterback that probably isn't fully
• 1:25:38
  comfortable in the pocket. It didn't show that in the game
• 1:25:43
  against you and C very uncomfortable with the pocket at
• 1:25:46
  times. So not having your all
• 1:25:49
  conference left tackle out there definitely doesn't inspire any
• 1:25:52
  any additional confidence. So I feel like that's going to
• 1:25:54
  be where the you'll see the impact the most, but it'll
• 1:25:56
  definitely impact the run game as well.
• 1:25:59
  All righty, all righty good deal.
• 1:26:01
  All right, we're going to flip over to the defensive side of
• 1:26:03
  the ball now and let's talk about this defense led by Randy
• 1:26:07
  Bates. Brian cuz I I read what you put
• 1:26:10
  in here and I'm, I'm sorry man. I I got I put my own little
• 1:26:16
  notes in there just to, like, make sure I talk the right
• 1:26:18
  amount of shit. Go ahead, say it.
• 1:26:24
  All right, so, so, so we got, we got Randy Bates.
• 1:26:27
  I mean, he's the coordinator, but obviously this is the Pat
• 1:26:32
  Narduzzi invented attacking 4 three defense.
• 1:26:38
  So something that all of us are familiar with.
• 1:26:41
  And obviously Pat Narduzzi is very excited that he was able to
• 1:26:45
  put something like this together for everyone.
• 1:26:48
  But they do love bringing the pressure to rush the
• 1:26:50
  quarterbacks and confuse the offensive line.
• 1:26:53
  You're going to see a lot of man and man outside.
• 1:26:57
  We're used to that. When we play pit it's going to
• 1:26:59
  be you're going to have to win those one-on-one battles if
• 1:27:01
  we're going to be successful in the passing game.
• 1:27:04
  They will give a big plays because of that aggressiveness,
• 1:27:08
  you know. So if we can catch them in a in
• 1:27:10
  a bad blitz, we can catch them in some mismatches and man
• 1:27:14
  coverage. We can take some advantage all.
• 1:27:17
  Right. Let's talk about some of the
• 1:27:18
  players on this defense. Let's talk with Day on Hayes.
• 1:27:22
  A6 foot three £265 defensive end top 200 play when he got
• 1:27:28
  recruited by 247 back in the class of 2020 out of Pittsburgh,
• 1:27:32
  PA out of Westinghouse and you know so far this season for Mr.
• 1:27:40
  Hayes. 8 tackles, two sides, 2 pass deflected.
• 1:27:45
  All he's looking past deflected and talk about it with defensive
• 1:27:47
  end, because that means they're not just here, they understand.
• 1:27:51
  You you see, it's about to fire. Just get your hand up.
• 1:27:54
  What you say say that again, Tally?
• 1:27:55
  Get them hands up. Get them up.
• 1:27:58
  So Brian when you when you took a look at him, what did you see
• 1:28:04
  and what can we do? And dear Lord is he going to be
• 1:28:07
  on seven knows side. I mean talent wise I mean he's a
• 1:28:11
  balanced the end and he is going to be on seven knows side most
• 1:28:14
  of the time unfortunately balanced the end.
• 1:28:17
  He's really good against the run good as a pass rusher so that's
• 1:28:21
  a really good edge doesn't get fooled often on kind of those
• 1:28:25
  backside contain rolls that you might see.
• 1:28:26
  So you know we ran we finally ran something we already ended
• 1:28:31
  around last week. I don't think he's going to be
• 1:28:33
  be fooled on that he's going to sit there read and be in the
• 1:28:36
  right position to make that play.
• 1:28:39
  They do something interesting with him though they like when
• 1:28:41
  they go nickel he kind of turns into a roaming linebacker
• 1:28:43
  depending on what the the defensive front call is.
• 1:28:46
  He'll kind of work in there standing in the backfield, blitz
• 1:28:51
  B gap, blitz A gap, sometimes blitz out around the edge.
• 1:28:54
  So they kind of use them a little bit differently there in
• 1:28:56
  those nickel sets. So that's really interesting to
• 1:28:58
  watch. And you know, in terms of tone
• 1:29:01
  setter, I mean he got out there and forced to fumble early
• 1:29:04
  against you and see the kind of set the tone for that team and
• 1:29:07
  you know, put them in contention in the first, first half before
• 1:29:10
  Phil went down and you and see kind of ran away with that the
• 1:29:13
  second-half. All right, good deal there.
• 1:29:21
  Obviously if there is a change this week on that side, it would
• 1:29:25
  be interesting to see because it does sound like it would be a
• 1:29:28
  good test if there was a new offensive lineman out there.
• 1:29:31
  I want to talk about one of the linebackers next prime that
• 1:29:34
  caught my eye on the stat sheet along with who he is and that is
• 1:29:39
  Solomon Deshields, 6 foot tall, £230 linebacker.
• 1:29:46
  Out of Millville, NJ was a mid three star when he came out back
• 1:29:52
  in the class of 2020 and so far this year 21 tackles, 3 tackles
• 1:29:58
  for loss in a sack. Where are we seeing him line up?
• 1:30:01
  You know they they obviously have lost some linebackers the
• 1:30:04
  last few years. Who's he wrote.
• 1:30:06
  What's he effectively doing there?
• 1:30:08
  Yeah, he's their outside linebacker essentially the will
• 1:30:12
  in this, in this type of defense.
• 1:30:15
  He's a he's a he's their blitz specialist.
• 1:30:17
  He's the guy that they're bringing on a lot of those blitz
• 1:30:19
  calls really good and pursuit attacks the gap really well,
• 1:30:25
  unlike some of our our linebackers that we've seen this
• 1:30:29
  year so far. So he does a pretty good job
• 1:30:32
  there. Good and run fit
• 1:30:33
  responsibilities. Where he can get lost is when he
• 1:30:37
  asked to cover in the passing game, especially in zone.
• 1:30:40
  Not very good there. So usually that's why you see
• 1:30:43
  him on passing down. They're trying to bring him as
• 1:30:45
  that fifth or sixth guy coming off the edge on the pass rush.
• 1:30:51
  All righty. Good deal.
• 1:30:53
  There Again, it's one of those things we're gonna talk about in
• 1:30:57
  Keys in a little while here. What do we do against this team?
• 1:31:00
  What do we do against this team and you hear somebody like him
• 1:31:02
  struggling in coverage, is do we have to mix it up with the past?
• 1:31:05
  But Tally, we got one more guy we want to talk about, someone
• 1:31:09
  I'm sure is familiar to everybody.
• 1:31:13
  Or of us sick? Obviously should be near and
• 1:31:15
  dear to a lot of hokey fans. Donovan McMillan, He came out of
• 1:31:22
  high school, went to Florida. A lot of hokey fans, for some
• 1:31:26
  reason, thought we were close to getting him.
• 1:31:30
  Then he goes to Florida, doesn't work out there and guess what?
• 1:31:33
  He transfers. A lot of hokey fans went down
• 1:31:35
  that road again and thought we were going to get him when he
• 1:31:37
  transferred from Florida. No, he didn't.
• 1:31:41
  He transferred to Pitt. He is a PA kid.
• 1:31:43
  He's from there. He was a four-star guy coming
• 1:31:48
  out of high school. Offers from all over.
• 1:31:51
  You know Georgia list goes to Florida, list goes on and on of
• 1:31:57
  all the people that wanted this kid.
• 1:31:59
  Very talented, says This year he's got about 32 tackles.
• 1:32:04
  What I thought was interesting, I mean he's 6 to 210, so a
• 1:32:09
  bigger safety. What I what I thought was
• 1:32:12
  interesting was in that West Virginia game he had 18 tackles,
• 1:32:18
  9 solo and 9 assisted. So the reason I say I find that
• 1:32:25
  interesting is. Are they getting to that second
• 1:32:28
  level? Is he coming downhill?
• 1:32:31
  How is he getting in on all these tackles, Brian?
• 1:32:35
  Yeah, man. Let's start by saying, you know,
• 1:32:38
  DMC is the one that got away, man.
• 1:32:41
  He's the one that got away. I feel like we've all been
• 1:32:45
  chatting. I think when he was getting
• 1:32:47
  recruited in, he was one of those infamous silent commits
• 1:32:54
  that didn't quite turn out the way we wanted it to.
• 1:32:59
  And you know, I had dreams of dropping DeLorean means every
• 1:33:03
  time this kid made a big play and I didn't get to do that.
• 1:33:07
  So I'm very disappointed. But really good player, man,
• 1:33:10
  Great in pursuit, covers ground really fast.
• 1:33:14
  They use them a lot as kind of that middle third in the single
• 1:33:17
  high, kind of the half field safety in their primary
• 1:33:20
  coverages. So there's a lot of Cover 3,
• 1:33:23
  Cover one, Cover 6. So he kind of plays that role
• 1:33:25
  for them in those and those coverages and I'd say he's
• 1:33:29
  better against the run, but he's still very active, sorry, better
• 1:33:33
  against the past, but he's still active in run support.
• 1:33:36
  So just a solid all around player and really I'd say elite
• 1:33:43
  in kind of playing that deep third coverage.
• 1:33:47
  All righty. So.
• 1:33:48
  Brian, let's ask this like Tally was talking about here before we
• 1:33:51
  get to hokey keys. Is it downhill?
• 1:33:54
  Is that where he's making his tackles or is he coming up in
• 1:33:57
  the box? Or is he just, is he all over
• 1:33:59
  the place or they let him free roam especially so thinking
• 1:34:02
  about you know what West Virginia does, you know they
• 1:34:05
  he's coming up and making a lot of plays in those passes and in
• 1:34:08
  the run game. So it's more in the passing game
• 1:34:10
  that shot a quick passing game, he's coming up and making those
• 1:34:13
  plays there. So that that's why you're seeing
• 1:34:15
  a little bit more volume pick up against a team like that.
• 1:34:20
  I am very sorry, Brian. We are over here chuckling.
• 1:34:22
  You can take a look at the private chat now because we we,
• 1:34:25
  we were reminiscing back from three years ago in 2020 with
• 1:34:29
  with with DMC there. All right, all right.
• 1:34:33
  So that is pit lot of players you should know.
• 1:34:36
  Obviously we can't cover them all, but we're going to get to
• 1:34:39
  the Hokie keys now. As always, we have 4 Hokie keys.
• 1:34:42
  I'm going to let our guest, Mike McDaniel lead us with the key.
• 1:34:46
  He felt most important this week.
• 1:34:49
  Let drones cook in the running game.
• 1:34:52
  Let him cook I. Agree.
• 1:34:56
  It does not have to be. I've mentioned this earlier
• 1:34:58
  tonight. Does not have to be difficult.
• 1:35:00
  If he's running the ball well, downhill, let him run the ball.
• 1:35:03
  All right. I I understand.
• 1:35:05
  We don't want drones to run 2530 * a game.
• 1:35:09
  Totally get that right. I think he ran it 2223 times
• 1:35:12
  against Rutgers. Probably a little too many,
• 1:35:15
  right? If you get him in that. 13 to 17
• 1:35:20
  range, right where last week. I think that's his sweet spot.
• 1:35:25
  But a lot of those came later in the game, right?
• 1:35:29
  Real good early on. Went away from it, came back to
• 1:35:32
  it off and saw some success. Let him run the ball, let him
• 1:35:36
  get comfortable, set up the passing game.
• 1:35:39
  Doesn't have to be hard. All righty.
• 1:35:42
  There we go. Let let drones cook.
• 1:35:44
  I tally. What's yours this week, man?
• 1:35:47
  I'm gonna, I'm gonna get. Jump on what he's saying as
• 1:35:49
  well. Whatever's working on offense,
• 1:35:52
  stick with it. I mean, don't overthink it.
• 1:35:56
  Whatever's working, keep doing it.
• 1:35:58
  If Drones is killing him with his legs, let him kill him.
• 1:36:02
  If we're throwing short passes and we we're thinking and
• 1:36:05
  dunking down the field, let's keep doing it.
• 1:36:09
  You know, let's not just say, OK, we did this, that worked.
• 1:36:13
  Let's see if this will work. No, we ain't got time for that.
• 1:36:16
  Continue doing what works offense.
• 1:36:19
  There you go. There you go, Sigla.
• 1:36:21
  What's yours, man? Yeah, I mean, I don't want to
• 1:36:25
  beat a dead horse here, but live at those explosive run planes,
• 1:36:28
  man. I mean that.
• 1:36:30
  That's what we got to do. We got, we got to have the
• 1:36:32
  safety's coming up in the right fits of the run game.
• 1:36:34
  We got to get more tackles for loss from our defensive line so
• 1:36:38
  we can put them in down in distances that hurt them.
• 1:36:43
  So they can't gash us in the run game on 3rd down and get those
• 1:36:47
  big runs that not only move the sticks but also we're putting
• 1:36:50
  them in scoring range or they're putting points on the board if
• 1:36:53
  they're not already scoring on the run anyway.
• 1:36:55
  So that that's what we got to do if if we can limit the explosive
• 1:36:58
  plays in the run game. I think we're we're what we're
• 1:37:01
  showing is that we have the ability we're not consistent.
• 1:37:07
  We aren't doing, we aren't doing the right things all the time.
• 1:37:11
  Yep, we're not doing the right things all the time.
• 1:37:14
  All right, I'm going to throw this one out for y'all because
• 1:37:16
  of of kind of what Pitt is. Pitt roughly ranks in the
• 1:37:23
  atmosphere of NCAA college football.
• 1:37:26
  They are directly in the middle when it comes to from 33rd
• 1:37:29
  downs. They're about 41%.
• 1:37:32
  And I'm going to be honest, if we can kick them to 41 percent
• 1:37:36
  or less, that's going to be a key get them off the field.
• 1:37:40
  Every two or five times there's a third down or three of out of
• 1:37:44
  five times you're going to win this game doing that.
• 1:37:46
  If we let it become like it did last week, where early Marshall
• 1:37:51
  went like five or seven, they came back to Earth in the
• 1:37:54
  second-half, but they didn't need it in the second-half.
• 1:37:57
  They didn't need it in the second-half.
• 1:37:59
  Y'all are cracking me up too. Seeing all the sorry, sorry,
• 1:38:02
  y'all, don't know. We we've we've all been in,
• 1:38:05
  we've all been together for close to four years now.
• 1:38:08
  So there's a lot of stories in this chat, so.
• 1:38:10
  Me. Get them off the field on 3rd
• 1:38:12
  down. Stick them to their average.
• 1:38:13
  We'll put it below. If it starts creeping above,
• 1:38:15
  we're going to be in trouble. All right, so now we've got our
• 1:38:18
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  slash BC picks. All righty, we'll start with our
• 1:39:29
  hokey predictions first. Mike again.
• 1:39:32
  You're the guest. What are you feeling on the game
• 1:39:34
  Saturday? It's about time that a Brent
• 1:39:42
  Pride coach team steps up and just figures it out.
• 1:39:47
  We can all agree. Please.
• 1:39:51
  I think it happens on Saturday night.
• 1:39:54
  I can't believe I'm saying this. I think it happened Saturday
• 1:39:58
  night. What's informing me of this?
• 1:40:01
  The spread makes no sense at all.
• 1:40:04
  The pit. This pit team.
• 1:40:06
  Listen, listen. This pit team is not very good.
• 1:40:10
  It's better than Virginia Tech, right?
• 1:40:12
  Why is Pitt only a 2 1/2 point favorite?
• 1:40:15
  And don't tell me it's because they think Christian Bayou's
• 1:40:17
  going to start a quarterback. This thing opened at 4:00.
• 1:40:21
  What makes makes zero sense. Pitt has had a lovehate
• 1:40:27
  relationship with going to Lane Stadium and for some reason ACC
• 1:40:34
  Network decide this is going to be a primetime game on Saturday
• 1:40:36
  night. Give me the Hokies outright 1716
• 1:40:42
  Virginia Tech. A very ugly, low scoring,
• 1:40:46
  disgusting, gross game spread makes no sense.
• 1:40:49
  Give me the Hokies on a rock. Fight alrighty.
• 1:40:53
  Let's see if we're as optimistic as Mr. McDaniel is down here.
• 1:40:59
  Tally, who you got? Yeah man, Mike made some great
• 1:41:02
  points. You know, like he said, the
• 1:41:03
  spread makes no sense. I was looking at it.
• 1:41:07
  I'm like, man, that's that's kind of crazy.
• 1:41:09
  So guess what I did? I picked pit because our
• 1:41:15
  coaching staff is not making no sense.
• 1:41:18
  Pit to the wind pits going to cover 2417 pit.
• 1:41:25
  I mean, it's already up there. I got Pitt too.
• 1:41:28
  I'm going. I'm going to cover, too.
• 1:41:29
  I got 2720 Pitt. I I can't trust our run defense
• 1:41:37
  to not allow big plays yet. And I still need to see the
• 1:41:42
  offense put four quarters together.
• 1:41:45
  And I'm at a point now in this season where, until I see it
• 1:41:49
  actually happen, I have a hard time picking Virginia Tech.
• 1:41:52
  So Pitt. All right.
• 1:41:54
  Did you get Sheldon's? Yeah.
• 1:41:57
  What's he? He's also saying that I don't
• 1:42:00
  think we got the score from him. But he said Fitz winning the
• 1:42:02
  game. I'm I'm I'm sorry we're going
• 1:42:06
  all against you. Mike here.
• 1:42:07
  But I'm with them. I'm fading the Hokies until I
• 1:42:10
  see a lot more out of them. I do think it's going to be
• 1:42:12
  ugly. I'm.
• 1:42:13
  I'm with you. I'm not as high scoring as these
• 1:42:15
  two guys are. I think the Hokies cover, but I
• 1:42:18
  think they lose a heartbreaker 2120.
• 1:42:20
  I'm not even like an optimist and for some reason I just have
• 1:42:23
  a feeling about this for some reason so.
• 1:42:25
  We hope you're right it. Might be Daniel.
• 1:42:28
  Gut feeling. I got to see if that plays out,
• 1:42:31
  man. It's gone for and against me, so
• 1:42:33
  we'll see. It is what?
• 1:42:35
  Curtis Curtis, you said you think the score is going to be
• 1:42:37
  2120. 2120. So you think the Hulkies cover?
• 1:42:41
  I think they can cover, but we're still going to lose.
• 1:42:44
  It's going to be all some screwed up ass play, probably
• 1:42:47
  knowing our luck, just the way everything's going this year.
• 1:42:51
  All righty, We got more big screeners because, you know,
• 1:42:54
  we're at a point in our lives. We can curse and be mad at our
• 1:42:57
  team and throw shit after the game, but we can still watch
• 1:42:59
  other games. I did last week, Had had some
• 1:43:03
  Scotch, had some Scotch after the game.
• 1:43:06
  So let's start with the first one here.
• 1:43:07
  Tally, you leading us off Tally's?
• 1:43:10
  He's definitely watching USC Colorado.
• 1:43:13
  I think that's a high noon kick. Oh yeah, I talked a little bit
• 1:43:16
  about it earlier, man. These people smell blood in the
• 1:43:20
  water. Dion, you better get your team
• 1:43:23
  right because Caleb Williams is coming in there and he's
• 1:43:26
  definitely going to cover and they might score 60 points.
• 1:43:30
  It's my opinion that that Colorado offensive line has not
• 1:43:35
  been good. Everything that Shador Sanders
• 1:43:38
  has done, it's kind of been him making plays in my opinion.
• 1:43:42
  I think that are most sacked team or one of the most sacked
• 1:43:45
  team in the nation. Which is crazy because they're
• 1:43:49
  higher than us. But again, no knock on Colorado.
• 1:43:53
  They are building a team, but I think USC is going to smoke
• 1:43:56
  them. All right.
• 1:43:59
  Brian, what you got? I'm taking the Trojans in this
• 1:44:03
  one too. What I saw against Oregon
• 1:44:08
  against a competent rush that also has a back end that can
• 1:44:12
  cover. Was not very pretty.
• 1:44:16
  I think we're going to see a little bit more of that.
• 1:44:18
  I don't think it's quite as lopsided as that Oregon contest,
• 1:44:22
  but I think it definitely covers that 21 1/2.
• 1:44:25
  So give me the Trojans. All righty, go ahead, throw
• 1:44:28
  Shelton's up there because me and Shelton are on the same
• 1:44:32
  page. Colorado is not going to win
• 1:44:34
  this game, but they're going to cover y'all.
• 1:44:36
  It's Lincoln Rally. His teams don't play defense.
• 1:44:39
  They eventually going to get in the shootout, by the way.
• 1:44:42
  It's 73 1/2 over under over. Oh my God.
• 1:44:46
  Over. Oh my God over.
• 1:44:48
  This game's going to be like, Tally, you ain't wrong.
• 1:44:50
  I think UFC gets to 60, but I think, I think Deon ain't far
• 1:44:55
  behind it. Like 45.
• 1:44:58
  The game's hit 100. Yeah.
• 1:44:59
  You got any picks on this one, Mike?
• 1:45:01
  I like Colorado to cover because of exactly what you just said,
• 1:45:04
  Curtis, the the USC defense man. If if Lincoln Riley ever fires
• 1:45:10
  Alex Grinch, who gets a real defensive coordinator, US, he's
• 1:45:12
  going to be cooking with some guys, I think.
• 1:45:15
  We'll see. I think it's just a Lincoln
• 1:45:17
  thing. I think.
• 1:45:17
  I don't think you know what, I don't think Lincoln Riley knows
• 1:45:19
  how to do y'all what. I don't think he knows.
• 1:45:22
  I play complimentary football. He just wants.
• 1:45:24
  To all the time. What makes you say that?
• 1:45:29
  Wherever he's been, he has some of the most impressive defensive
• 1:45:31
  talent and he cannot stop anyone.
• 1:45:34
  Hey, hey, we need a 6 minute drive here.
• 1:45:36
  We're up two touchdowns. I'm going to try scoring 3
• 1:45:38
  seconds exactly. I'm going to go to my game next
• 1:45:44
  Friday night. Two teams the Hokies will see,
• 1:45:47
  which are NC State and Louisville.
• 1:45:50
  This game is down at Carter Finley Stadium on Friday night
• 1:45:55
  and we got a home dog here. We got a home dog.
• 1:46:01
  And I think this is going to be a fight.
• 1:46:03
  I think this is going to be the best Louisville, the best
• 1:46:05
  defense Louisville has seen all year.
• 1:46:07
  I think Louisville has flaws on the defensive side of the ball.
• 1:46:11
  We saw that against Georgia Tech.
• 1:46:12
  When you give a 28 points to that dreadful Georgia Tech
• 1:46:15
  offense, it says a lot about you.
• 1:46:17
  So give me NC State. I think NC State takes the win
• 1:46:20
  and the cover tally. Oh, tally.
• 1:46:25
  OK. Yeah, I think, I think you,
• 1:46:29
  North Carolina State. We'll win and cover here as
• 1:46:32
  well. A linebacker, man.
• 1:46:35
  He's something else. Another another one that we
• 1:46:38
  almost got him. Peyton, Peyton.
• 1:46:40
  Luke, Peyton Willis. Wilson.
• 1:46:43
  Peyton Wilson. Another almost, man.
• 1:46:45
  We almost got him like that dude is a baller.
• 1:46:48
  I think that they play some defense in and go in and win
• 1:46:52
  this. What we got there with Brian?
• 1:46:58
  I got the Wolf Pack pulling this one out too.
• 1:47:00
  I just think. It's gonna be enough defense to
• 1:47:03
  slow down some of what Louis was doing offensively, and I think
• 1:47:05
  they'll be able to pull it out. NC State, always solid defense.
• 1:47:11
  Defense is going to win you that game, I think.
• 1:47:15
  All right, so Sheldon's up there.
• 1:47:17
  He's going. Louisville faded us.
• 1:47:19
  He faded us. Mike, are you famous?
• 1:47:21
  Are you with us? No.
• 1:47:22
  NC stayed out. Right Defense.
• 1:47:24
  This is the first good, like real good defense.
• 1:47:26
  Louisville's play. Yep.
• 1:47:28
  And we already seen Louisville's offensive flaws, so he's going
• 1:47:31
  with us. And we already said that, you
• 1:47:33
  know, Louisville is playing probably the easiest schedule of
• 1:47:36
  any ACC team this year. So up to this point, yeah, it is
• 1:47:40
  so. It's so bad, all right?
• 1:47:43
  By the way, one team that kind of has not played an ass
• 1:47:46
  schedule is due. They've knocked off Clemson.
• 1:47:49
  Now they get a chance to take on the Golden Domers in Bryan's.
• 1:47:54
  Big Screener of the week. It'll probably be on his 52 inch
• 1:47:58
  point point. Which one?
• 1:47:59
  Which one's he going to be on this?
• 1:48:01
  That one right there. I got, I got the 50 fiver here,
• 1:48:04
  I got another 52 are up here, so it'll be on the 50 fiver. 5 1/2
• 1:48:10
  point line. He says Duke, I'm going with
• 1:48:13
  Duke. I I mean, I don't think, I'm not
• 1:48:15
  sure that Duke wins this out, right?
• 1:48:17
  But I think this is a field goal.
• 1:48:21
  Last minute taking the lead game type of situation for Notre
• 1:48:26
  Dame. I think this is going to come
• 1:48:27
  down to the wire and it's either going to be a a field goal late
• 1:48:31
  to break a tie or a touchdown late to to take the lead back
• 1:48:34
  from Duke. Alright, I'm gonna be nice.
• 1:48:36
  Mike will throw yours. What do you got on this one?
• 1:48:38
  I am I man. I want no part of this one.
• 1:48:41
  Notre Dame in a let down spot after we saw what happened last
• 1:48:44
  year, right? Notre Dame lost to Ohio State
• 1:48:46
  and bit him in the ass the following week.
• 1:48:48
  Marshall. Yeah.
• 1:48:50
  Mike says he's not. Are you making a prediction or
• 1:48:52
  you just throwing this one off your board?
• 1:48:54
  Notre Dame. OK, Notre Dame, they're they're,
• 1:48:57
  I mean, they're just, they're better.
• 1:48:58
  I'm just gonna go with Notre Dame here.
• 1:49:00
  Tally, Tally, Tally. I'm going with Notre Dame and
• 1:49:03
  the only reason that I'm going with Notre Dame is because I
• 1:49:06
  wanted to go Duke. But I have been horrible at
• 1:49:09
  picking, if you go back and look over the weeks, so I just went
• 1:49:12
  with the opposite team I was gonna pick.
• 1:49:15
  Well, I feel in my gut I'm going the opposite.
• 1:49:17
  Way I'm going the opposite way because.
• 1:49:18
  My gut ain't treating me nice. Lately, Sally said.
• 1:49:20
  He's fading himself. Exactly.
• 1:49:25
  Who Sheldon got on this, and I'm with.
• 1:49:29
  I'm with everybody else. Brian, give me Notre Dame 5 1/2,
• 1:49:32
  and it's not so much that I don't think Duke's a good team.
• 1:49:36
  But yeah, we saw a Clifton game. Clemson should have probably
• 1:49:39
  beat them by 14 points. You turned the ball that many
• 1:49:42
  times over inside your 10 yard line.
• 1:49:45
  You're going to lose. I don't thought Nader name gets
• 1:49:47
  that Mike you put a good point they are in a bad let down spot.
• 1:49:51
  But the way that game I mean even a worse let down spot
• 1:49:53
  because legitimately 10 off 10 defensive players missing a
• 1:49:59
  defensive lineman exactly where Ohio State ran that ball on
• 1:50:04
  literally the last play of the game.
• 1:50:06
  But I think they bounced back by the way game day is in Duke and
• 1:50:10
  now game day the only spot they have not been is what UVA.
• 1:50:15
  It's like 2 spots now. Like it's every A/C school, but
• 1:50:18
  UVA now has gotten a visit from game day after the day.
• 1:50:23
  Alrighty. Another I think this is going to
• 1:50:25
  be this might be the funnest game of the weekend.
• 1:50:29
  Kansas, Texas, Texas is a 17 point favorite.
• 1:50:36
  Mike, we're going to let you leave this one, man.
• 1:50:38
  What do you think with this crazy game which I think is this
• 1:50:41
  in? Make sure here.
• 1:50:44
  This is in Austin, this is at Royal Texas.
• 1:50:49
  This is a this is when you're 5 stars.
• 1:50:52
  Just pull away. Kansas is very well coached, but
• 1:50:55
  there comes a point in time where you're not going to be
• 1:50:58
  able to defend Texas for four quarters.
• 1:51:00
  Give me. I mean Texas has been really
• 1:51:01
  impressive. So and Kansas is a good team.
• 1:51:04
  They're four and oh, they're a good team like Texas.
• 1:51:06
  They should have the attention of this Texas team.
• 1:51:10
  All right, What's Shelton got on this?
• 1:51:12
  This is the one he wanted to pick.
• 1:51:13
  He's going Texas. He's with you, Mike Talley.
• 1:51:16
  I'm going to go Kansas. I'm going to go Kansas for the
• 1:51:20
  same reason that I went Notre Dame, because I seen Texas.
• 1:51:23
  I thought Texas. I think I was the only one that
• 1:51:25
  picked Texas against Alabama. I thought Texas, you were a
• 1:51:28
  great team. I thought they were going to go
• 1:51:30
  in and win. I think they're going to win
• 1:51:31
  this game. Hell, they're probably going to
• 1:51:32
  cover. That's what my mind says.
• 1:51:34
  So I said fuck it, let's go to Kansas.
• 1:51:37
  The opposite bets of every of Jonathan Talley this week.
• 1:51:41
  Listen, I'm going to Kansas here.
• 1:51:45
  One reason y'all know what's next weekend?
• 1:51:48
  What? Let's go to the Texas State
• 1:51:50
  Fair. It's the Red River Shootout
• 1:51:52
  Oklahoma last time in the Big 12.
• 1:51:54
  I think they overlook Kansas a little bit where this is a
• 1:51:57
  tighter game. Mike, you're right.
• 1:51:59
  Five stars prevail in the end by like 10 to 13.
• 1:52:03
  But I think Kansas can cover and I think this is going to be an
• 1:52:05
  entertaining, high scoring game. Yeah, that's fine, Ron.
• 1:52:12
  I'm going K U2. Kansas is going to have a back
• 1:52:15
  door cover there at the end. What's the score then?
• 1:52:22
  Give me, give me like 4228. I got you.
• 1:52:28
  I got you. That makes sense.
• 1:52:29
  That makes sense. All right.
• 1:52:31
  Next game, Last game. This is none of ours, but we
• 1:52:35
  just always choose one extra game.
• 1:52:37
  Friday night, 9:00, Utah. Oregon State in Corvallis, Utah.
• 1:52:43
  The hottest team in the PAC 12. By the way, this will not be a
• 1:52:46
  high scoring game. This will be a lot of hitting.
• 1:52:51
  1716 There's Mike right there. 1716 Who?
• 1:52:56
  1716, Oregon State. Utah's quarterback issues
• 1:53:01
  finally kept. I want to call them issues.
• 1:53:03
  They've They've won every game they played.
• 1:53:05
  The the the quarterback situation finally catches up to
• 1:53:08
  Utah. Alrighty, they cover though they
• 1:53:11
  cover prime. I've got Oregon State here.
• 1:53:17
  I think this is going to be, as Mike said, a game where the
• 1:53:23
  quarterback catches up with them.
• 1:53:24
  I think that. Oregon State can generate just
• 1:53:28
  enough offense against that really good Utah defense to kind
• 1:53:32
  of stretch out that that 3 1/2 to about 6 points.
• 1:53:37
  All righty. I'm next on this one.
• 1:53:41
  I'm next on this one. I'm going to go Utah.
• 1:53:44
  I like Utah. I think Utah's the better team
• 1:53:46
  regardless of quarterback situation.
• 1:53:48
  We don't know. It seemed like that, you know,
• 1:53:53
  cameras. And it's close to coming back.
• 1:53:55
  If the game was Saturday, he probably he is a chance he
• 1:53:59
  probably would be back this week but I think Utah grinds it out.
• 1:54:02
  I think Mike, you're not far off on that 1716 score.
• 1:54:06
  Stay up till midnight Friday night gets 2TV's going state.
• 1:54:11
  Put the other one on. Brian will have his Braves on
• 1:54:13
  the TV as well on Friday night watching these sipping a little
• 1:54:16
  drink. Tally, who you got?
• 1:54:19
  I got Utah winning, man. I think Utah's just.
• 1:54:21
  I would take them straight up money, line, close game.
• 1:54:25
  I think it's going to be a close game, but I think I just
• 1:54:27
  watching Utah at the beginning of the season, you know, play
• 1:54:30
  this Florida, I think they're just going to be a very physical
• 1:54:33
  team and they're going to win the game.
• 1:54:36
  All righty, Shelton takes, he's around with you and the Beavers.
• 1:54:40
  So the going with the home Beavers there.
• 1:54:43
  Listen, Mike, it's been fun, man.
• 1:54:47
  We love having you on. Awesome time.
• 1:54:50
  Yeah. I appreciate it.
• 1:54:50
  Guys, great insight, man. I I vouched for it a little bit
• 1:54:54
  a couple weeks ago. I said let me come on at some
• 1:54:56
  point and go on a little rant. You guys let me do that.
• 1:54:58
  So I appreciate it. Anytime, man.
• 1:55:00
  Probably, man. We gotta let everybody get their
• 1:55:02
  rants out. Now everybody's gonna be
• 1:55:04
  messaging us. Hey, Mike Guest, can I come on
• 1:55:06
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• 1:55:08
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• 1:55:09
  If Y'all didn't notice, he had a four.
• 1:55:10
  And a half minute rant on. Fits coherent.
• 1:55:14
  Coherent You have income. I have getting coherent rants.
• 1:55:18
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• 1:55:20
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  OK.