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“Nate Nate…Dont Tell Me!” · Pod Save America

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Speaker 1: Welcome to Pod Save America. I'm Jon Favreau. I'm Jon Lovett.
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Speaker 2: I'm Tommy Vitor.
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Speaker 1: On today's show, our final pre-election pod. We'll talk about
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Speaker 1: how both parties closed with dueling rallies in Pennsylvania featuring
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Speaker 1: Joe Biden, Barack Obama and Donald Trump. What we'll be
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Speaker 1: watching for on election night and what it felt like
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Speaker 1: on the ground in Nevada this weekend. You'll also hear
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Speaker 1: from some of the organizers and candidates we talked to
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Speaker 1: in Las Vegas. And later, we'll play a little game
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Speaker 1: about Elon Musk's Twitter. It should be fun. But first,
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Speaker 1: if you are listening to this before the polls have closed,
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Speaker 1: you can still make a difference in this election campaign.
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Speaker 1: We are heading down to Irvine after we finish recording
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Speaker 1: to help get out the vote for Katie Porter. If
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Speaker 1: of ways for you to channel your anxiety into actual
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Speaker 1: useful action right up until the polls closed. So do
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Speaker 1: it right now.
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Speaker 2: It matters.
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Speaker 1: Come right down to the wire in a whole bunch
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Speaker 1: of different races. All right, let's get to the news.
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Speaker 1: Three presidents, two parties, one perennial battleground state of Pennsylvania.
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Speaker 1: It's where all the action was on the final weekend
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Speaker 1: of the 2022 midterms. In Philadelphia, Presidents Biden and Obama
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Speaker 1: spoke at a rally for Josh Shapiro, who was a
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Speaker 1: healthy lead over Doug Mastriano in the governor's race, and
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Speaker 1: John Fetterman, who was somehow basically tied with Dr.
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Speaker 2: Oz.
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Speaker 1: Here's some of what they said at the event. Oz
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Speaker 1: and Pennsylvania?
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Speaker 3: Look, I've lived in Pennsylvania longer than Oz has lived
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Speaker 3: in Pennsylvania.
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Speaker 4: And I moved away when I was 10 years old.
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Speaker 5: This guy loves to talk a good game about freedom, right?
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Speaker 1: Let me tell you something.
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Speaker 5: It's not freedom to tell women what they're allowed to
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Speaker 5: do with their bodies.
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Speaker 2: That's not freedom.
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Speaker 5: It's not freedom to tell our children what books they're
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Speaker 5: allowed to read. It's not freedom when he gets to
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Speaker 5: decide who you're allowed to marry. I say love is love.
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Speaker 6: It's about fundamental values that my grandparents from Kansas taught me.
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Speaker 6: Values I grew up with. Values you grew up with.
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Speaker 6: Values we try to teach our kids. Values we learn
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Speaker 6: in churches and mosques and synagogues and temples. Honesty, fairness, opportunity,
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Speaker 6: hard work. Values that Josh Shapiro and John Spetterman stand for.
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Speaker 6: Values that Joe Biden stands for.
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Speaker 1: What did you guys think of the Democrats' final rally
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Speaker 1: in Philly? That Josh Shapiro speech got quite a bit
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Speaker 1: of traction.
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Speaker 3: Hey, it seems like, uh, uh, uh, that's one message
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Speaker 3: box subscriber that we can count at least.
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Speaker 2: That was a very Pfeiffer riff.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: It was great to, you know, like, I think because
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Speaker 3: Doug Mastriano is such a terrible candidate, uh, I think
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Speaker 3: like Josh Shapiro has had a little bit of space
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Speaker 3: and hasn't been sort of covered for how kind of
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Speaker 3: disciplined and excellent a campaign he's been running. Uh, but
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Speaker 3: I'm glad to see, cause he did, he's been doing
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Speaker 3: a riff like that for quite some time and it
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Speaker 3: was nice to see it get a little national attention
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Speaker 3: because I think it, It wasn't just that it was
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Speaker 3: on message and covering a lot of issues that we
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Speaker 3: all think is important. It was sort of to me like, oh,
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Speaker 3: like when we talk in the abstract about Democrats trying
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Speaker 3: to take the mantle of freedom and using that as
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Speaker 3: a big part of our argument, it's easy to imagine it.
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Speaker 2: It's nice to see it in actual practice.
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Speaker 3: And it was like, oh, that is like a really
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Speaker 3: powerful argument, a broad, big argument for a kind of
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Speaker 3: like kind of freedom politics that I think is very
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Speaker 3: exciting for us to use going forward, regardless of what happens.
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Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean, he's a good candidate and it was
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Speaker 7: great to see him. I mean, I also think there's
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Speaker 7: some truth to the fact that you can use the
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Speaker 7: same lines on a bigger stage and it just sounds
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Speaker 7: bigger and better when you have like 7,000 people or
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Speaker 7: whatever it was cheering for you. I also thought Biden
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Speaker 7: sounded great at this event. The line about Dr. Oz
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Speaker 7: not living in Pennsylvania any longer than Biden did and
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Speaker 7: Biden moved when he was 10 was like funny and
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Speaker 7: effective and a good hit.
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Speaker 2: Obama was great. So yeah, it was exciting to see
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Speaker 2: like a big event with a lot of energy at
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Speaker 2: the end of the campaign.
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Speaker 1: One of Biden's best lines in the campaign. It was great.
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Speaker 1: On the Josh Shapiro thing, yeah, we have talked a
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Speaker 1: lot about John Fetterman because he's been such an exciting candidate.
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Speaker 1: Josh Shapiro has been running a fantastic race. You're right,
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Speaker 1: he's had an opponent who is extreme, has not spent
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Speaker 1: any money on television ads, has been sort of one
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Speaker 1: of the few Republicans that's been kind of sort of
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Speaker 1: abandoned by the national party.
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Speaker 2: Because he said he was going to do 40 days
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Speaker 2: of prayer.
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Speaker 1: Yeah i mean he is like uh yeah he's like
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Speaker 1: confederate cosplay and everything it's he's not he's not a
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Speaker 1: not a great candidate but i would say like you
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Speaker 1: heard that riff from shapiro in the clip we just
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Speaker 1: played there was another one where he also said like
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Speaker 1: if you don't look like doug mastriano if you don't
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Speaker 1: vote like him if you don't read the books he
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Speaker 1: reads he doesn't respect you you're not for him and
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Speaker 1: i just think it was a great we talk a
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Speaker 1: lot about how to make democracy real and tangible for
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Speaker 1: people and how political identity has become so powerful as
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Speaker 1: an indicator in this country of what you do. And
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Speaker 1: that was a way to sort of use identity, but
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Speaker 1: also do it broadly, right? And so there is a
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Speaker 1: wide swath of people that Josh Shapiro is trying to
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Speaker 1: appeal to there by saying like, look, I'm the one,
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Speaker 1: the Democrats are the one who are tolerant of every
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Speaker 1: kind of person here. And Doug Mastriano is the one
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Speaker 1: who just wants people exactly like him.
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Speaker 3: And it's funny, because I talked to Josh Shapiro a
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Speaker 3: couple weeks ago when we were in, I guess that
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Speaker 3: was the Philly show. And he used all those lines
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Speaker 3: in conversation. You know, he used all those riffs in conversation.
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Speaker 3: And it's a good example of just a politician who's
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Speaker 3: just been working it on the stump and kind of
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Speaker 3: grinding it out and figuring out what works. Because I saw,
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Speaker 3: you know, I saw him do those lines and I
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Speaker 3: saw them really, really work. Unlike just sort of Philadelphia,
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Speaker 3: our kind of progressive audience. But clearly, like, I think
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Speaker 3: he has been kind of very, you know, smartly kind
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Speaker 3: of really honing this message quietly for the last six months.
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Speaker 2: And he's just so disciplined.
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Speaker 3: Even when we talk, when you talk to him, you
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Speaker 3: just see that he is just a incredibly disciplined politician.
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Speaker 3: We talked to him on pod, save America.
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Speaker 1: Couldn't get him off message.
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Speaker 3: Couldn't get him off message. And we're like, Oh man,
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Speaker 3: that guy couldn't, we couldn't get him off message. That was, uh,
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Speaker 3: that was, uh, uh, you know, as hard as we pushed.
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Speaker 7: Reminds me of when in 2004 when I would be
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Speaker 7: in the office and Obama would walk up to me
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Speaker 7: and be like, we worship an awesome God in the
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Speaker 7: blue states.
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Speaker 2: And I'd be like, right, but room for cream.
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Speaker 8: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Or you'd take a minute.
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Speaker 1: And he was like, hey, hey, out of many, one. Right.
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Speaker 2: Just again. Tommy, I could no sooner disown my grandmother.
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Speaker 1: To Obama's point that he made to us in the
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Speaker 1: Pod Save America interview, which got a lot of traction
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Speaker 1: when he talked about the Democratic Party sometimes being a buzzkill.
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Speaker 1: The antithesis of that was Josh Shapiro's message. That we
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Speaker 1: are the party that is like open to everyone. That
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Speaker 1: is open to everyone. And Doug Mastriano's party is the
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Speaker 1: buzzkill because they only want you to think exactly like
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Speaker 1: they do. Like that was such a good example of that.
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Speaker 1: On the other side of the state, just outside Pittsburgh,
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Speaker 1: Donald Trump spoke at a rally for Mastriano and Oz
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Speaker 1: where he, of course, focused almost entirely on his own
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Speaker 1: ambitions and petty grievances. Here's a clip.
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Speaker 4: They must think I'm going to announce the president tonight.
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Speaker 2: That's a lot.
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Speaker 1: That's a lot of people.
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Speaker 3: I promise you in the very next, very, very, very short.
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Speaker 9: Period of time, you're going to be so happy.
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Speaker 3: Okay.
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Speaker 2: Trump at 71.
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Speaker 9: Ron DeSanctimonious at 10%.
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Speaker 2: Mike Pence at seven. Oh, Mike's doing better than I thought.
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Speaker 1: Mike's doing better than I thought. It's so funny.
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Speaker 3: First of all, I saw so much coverage of like,
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Speaker 3: just sort of giddy sort of rock hard journalist saying
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Speaker 3: he called him to sanctimonious he called him to sanctimonious
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Speaker 3: and i thought it was like when i went to
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Speaker 3: watch the clip i was like oh it's gonna be
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Speaker 3: at a riff but no he just sort of tested
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Speaker 3: it out he threw it in he's he looked away
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Speaker 3: from the camera while he did he didn't want a
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Speaker 3: clip of it he was just trying he just sprinkled
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Speaker 3: it in it's it's.
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Speaker 1: Uh it's the difference between like so many politicians who
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Speaker 1: they got a good line from their speechwriter or someone
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Speaker 1: and then they deliver it and then look like ah
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Speaker 1: like he just sort of yeah yeah it's Oz has
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Speaker 1: been trying to fool people into thinking he's a moderate.
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Speaker 1: Why do you think he decided to show up with
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Speaker 1: Donald Trump the weekend before the election?
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Speaker 2: I don't think he had a choice.
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Speaker 7: I think Donald Trump wants credit for any and all victories,
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Speaker 7: and he's starting to smell blood in the water, so
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Speaker 7: he's going to show up wherever he wants to show
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Speaker 7: up to claim credit, is my guess.
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Speaker 2: But, I mean, also, Dr. Oz is not smart.
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Speaker 7: He told people that same rally, tomorrow morning I want
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Speaker 7: you to contact 10 people, do it before the Steelers game.
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Speaker 2: Steelers have a bye this week. That was amazing. That's outrageous.
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Speaker 2: It's disgusting. Everybody fucking knows that. I heard about that
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Speaker 2: from more people than I did about Ron DeSantis. Everybody
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Speaker 2: knows the Steelers have a bye game. The Steelers suck,
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Speaker 2: but they had a bye week. They have a bye week.
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Speaker 2: They couldn't lose.
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Speaker 1: I think someone would let him know that.
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Speaker 2: You'd think.
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Speaker 1: I mean, look. He also went to the Crudite thing.
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Speaker 3: It's also part of the sort of dynamic that we've
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Speaker 3: seen for the last couple weeks, which is Republicans are
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Speaker 3: viewing kind of, base events that turn out their base
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Speaker 3: as worth it, even if they're in some ways alienating
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Speaker 3: to some of the independents.
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Speaker 2: Like you have these big rallies for for J.D.
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Speaker 8: Vance.
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Speaker 3: You have Trump out there. But then Tim Ryan doesn't
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Speaker 3: want the Democrats out there. You have kind of it's
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Speaker 3: just a we're it's just they're playing for different people.
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Speaker 3: And I think what we've all said, you know, if
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Speaker 3: Republicans have this massive turnout machine in the midterms and
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Speaker 3: if we can match it, we can match it.
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Speaker 2: But they're relying on trying to get that whole, whole
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Speaker 2: base out. They're relying on a base only strategy.
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Speaker 8: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: And especially Dr. Oz, because Dr. Oz It took him
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Speaker 1: some time to consolidate the Republican base, longer than a
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Speaker 1: lot of the other Republican candidates, so he probably felt
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Speaker 1: like he needed this in the end. And their bet
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Speaker 1: is probably that, like, if he ends up winning independence
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Speaker 1: it's going to be larger forces that help him win
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Speaker 1: the independence like people just being pissed about the economy
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Speaker 1: and so whether trump is there or not it's not
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Speaker 1: going to make a huge difference to him nbc reported
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Speaker 1: that trump uh very seriously considered announcing for president at
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Speaker 1: that rally but advisors convinced him not to uh though
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Speaker 1: as you heard he did say he will very very
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Speaker 1: probably do it and also we're recording this monday morning
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Speaker 1: i just saw jonathan swan from axios report that um
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Speaker 1: A bunch of Republicans think that he possibly, Trump possibly
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Speaker 1: could announce that he's running today or tonight at the J.D.
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Speaker 1: Vance rally in Ohio.
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Speaker 7: I think he's a TV guy. He's a TV producer.
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Speaker 7: He just likes to tease and tease and tease. But
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Speaker 7: at this point, it's like, you know, when you're watching
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Speaker 7: a show that was written for network or for some
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Speaker 7: sort of like a show with commercials and you're watching
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Speaker 7: on Netflix and it'll repeat the last minute of whatever
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Speaker 7: you just watched after where the commercial break was supposed
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Speaker 7: to be. That's what I feel like with Trump.
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Speaker 2: Every time.
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Speaker 8: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Repeating, teasing, teasing. It's not going to happen.
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Speaker 1: He's going to do it.
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Speaker 2: At some point, he's going to do it. I just
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Speaker 2: think that there's like... We've been wondering.
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Speaker 1: Lost in the last couple weeks of the midterms is like,
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Speaker 1: Donald Trump's going to run for president.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, like the paperwork he's sending into the FEC is
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Speaker 3: going to like pass the Justice Department paperwork.
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Speaker 2: In the mail. But they're like, he's in a race
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Speaker 2: against time.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, look, I do think that like, I'd be very surprised.
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Speaker 2: Prove me wrong.
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Speaker 3: This whole episode is going to turn into a fucking
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Speaker 3: brown banana in seven seconds anyway. But if you're going
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Speaker 3: to announce, you don't announce Monday night. You announce on
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Speaker 3: Tuesday night when the whole country is watching. He's seeing
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Speaker 3: good returns come in. He goes to the mic and
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Speaker 3: he does it. But he clearly wants to do it
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Speaker 3: fast because if he's going to get indicted, he wants
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Speaker 3: to be indicted for political purposes.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, or he can do it after he gets indicted.
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Speaker 1: Either way, there's a case for him. There's a lot
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Speaker 1: of people like, we've got to indict him first. I'm
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Speaker 1: not saying they have to indict him first. No, I'm
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Speaker 1: just saying, so everyone else knows, because we have been
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Speaker 1: getting some questions about that. It's like, no, no, if
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Speaker 1: he gets indicted, he's still going to run for president.
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Speaker 1: It's not going to slow him down at all.
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Speaker 2: Oh, he's going to be chastened?
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Speaker 1: Speaking of chastened, do you think Ron DeSantis is chastened
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Speaker 1: after that? I heard a lot of Republicans close around
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Speaker 1: DeSantis who were outraged, outraged that Trump did this.
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Speaker 7: Republicans love sanctimonious politicians. What are you talking about? Have
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Speaker 7: you seen Mike Pence? They're all sanctimonious.
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Speaker 2: That's not a criticism.
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Speaker 1: You know what? I know we've gone back and forth
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Speaker 1: a few times, at least I have, on like, could
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Speaker 1: DeSantis do it? Could DeSantis take Trump down? It doesn't
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Speaker 1: seem like he's even going to run at this point.
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Speaker 2: Tom Cotton's out.
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Speaker 1: I love that Tom Cotton's out.
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Speaker 7: I like that Tom Cotton thinks he decided to not
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Speaker 7: become president, as opposed to the entire country being like,
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Speaker 7: you have a repellent personality.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know. I mean, we'll see.
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Speaker 3: We'll see what happens with the sanctimonious. It was good timing.
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Speaker 3: I wonder if Trump saw that video that the DeSantis
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Speaker 3: campaign made saying that God created Ron DeSantis on the
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Speaker 3: eighth day, which is one of the most sanctimonious things
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Speaker 3: I've ever seen in my entire life.
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Speaker 2: So it was a fitting nickname.
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Speaker 1: Two sets of footsteps. One of them, Ron DeSantis.
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Speaker 6: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Oh, Ron was carrying me. On the eighth day.
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Speaker 3: Imagine, imagine your job is to pave roads and keep
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Speaker 3: the schools funded. And you put out a fucking ad
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Speaker 3: that says, on the eighth day, God created me.
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Speaker 2: What did you read the game? Is he, is he,
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Speaker 2: is he nagging the voters? It's like peacocking. It's a
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Speaker 2: disgusting thing. He's a weird guy.
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Speaker 10: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: It is a nickname that does draw quite a distinction in, uh,
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Speaker 1: with the charisma that Donald Trump has versus the lack
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Speaker 1: of charisma that Ron DeSantis has.
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Speaker 2: I still like Miss Florida. Yeah.
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Speaker 7: I think you can be sanctimonious with a lot of charisma.
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Speaker 7: Look at like every Bible-thumping preacher on TV on Sunday, right?
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Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know. We'll see. We'll see if
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Speaker 2: this sticks. All right.
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Speaker 1: We got one last set of polls and predictions from
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Speaker 1: pollsters and forecasters over the weekend. The consensus is that
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Speaker 1: Republicans are favored to win the House, though the forecast
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Speaker 1: for the number of seats ranges from the low teens
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Speaker 1: to the 40s. So everyone knows the average loss for
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Speaker 1: a president's party in their first midterm is 27. Clinton
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Speaker 1: lost 54. Obama lost 63. And Trump lost 40. But
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Speaker 1: the generic ballot polling average right now also has Republicans
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Speaker 1: ahead by just one point. So who knows? The Senate
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Speaker 1: is a real toss-up with margin of error races for
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Speaker 1: Democratic incumbents in Arizona, Georgia, Nevada, and New Hampshire, as
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Speaker 1: well as the open Senate seat in Pennsylvania. There are
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Speaker 1: also tight governor's races in Arizona, Michigan, Wisconsin, Nevada, and
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Speaker 1: even New Mexico and Oregon. Uh, we of course don't
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Speaker 1: do predictions here. So instead I will ask you guys
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Speaker 1: how you're feeling and what you're watching for an election night.
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Speaker 1: What race is he going to be paying close attention to?
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Speaker 1: What trends are you looking for? What are some of
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Speaker 1: the big questions you want answered? I mean, I'm.
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Speaker 2: Emotionally prepared for some losses.
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Speaker 7: I'm just going to throw that out there because that
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Speaker 7: tends to happen in the first midterm of a president's
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Speaker 7: first term.
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Speaker 2: Um, so I'm really watching.
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Speaker 7: Closely Pennsylvania, because I feel like there's a sort of
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Speaker 7: choose your own adventure vibe to the polling coming out
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Speaker 7: of Pennsylvania, the Senate race there in Georgia. We just
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Speaker 7: got back from Nevada. We got to meet some really
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Speaker 7: great candidates. I want all of them to win. Dina Titus,
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Speaker 7: Susie Lee, we saw Jackie Rosen while we were eating
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Speaker 7: some tater tots at a restaurant near the airport.
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Speaker 2: So I don't know. Those are the races I'm watching.
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Speaker 7: I'm also watching to see the hijinks that occur in
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Speaker 7: the days after the election when we're still counting mail-in votes.
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Speaker 7: And I'm getting increasingly anxious about that.
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Speaker 3: I want to understand, we won't know this for a while,
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Speaker 3: but I'm most interested in seeing in detail how abortion
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Speaker 3: and choice played out and where it drove engagement and
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Speaker 3: where it didn't. We've been talking about this in a
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Speaker 3: couple of different places that you start to see that
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Speaker 3: You know, we had hoped, I think, especially right after DOMS,
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Speaker 3: when there was this moment of enthusiasm, that it really
15:34
Speaker 3: might lead to kind of a wave of engagement and
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Speaker 3: voting for people coming to kind of protect abortion rights.
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Speaker 3: And my concern is in places where, like California, where
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Speaker 3: we can put Prop 1 through and protect abortion rights
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Speaker 3: in the states, did it not have as big of
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Speaker 3: an impact on other national races? In a lot of places,
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Speaker 3: you see kind of signaling from Republican politicians to let
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Speaker 3: their voters to let voters know that they're not as
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Speaker 3: big of a threat to abortion rights as national. Republicans
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Speaker 3: are like, will that have an impact? Are people voting
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Speaker 3: this as a values thing, as a practical protection in
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Speaker 3: where they live thing or some combination? So that's like
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Speaker 3: the I want to understand how that plays out, because
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Speaker 3: especially if Republicans take the House seat. and or the Senate,
16:20
Speaker 3: we will have national Republicans pushing for a nationwide ban.
16:22
Speaker 3: I just want to understand how important and salient that's
16:24
Speaker 3: going to be for people.
16:25
Speaker 2: And then the other.
16:26
Speaker 3: Piece of it is, you know, you see these polls,
16:28
Speaker 3: they are, have not been great. But like, I want to,
16:33
Speaker 3: I'm curious how Gen Z turns out in this midterm.
16:36
Speaker 2: Do they overperform? Do they underperform? Do they hit what
16:38
Speaker 2: we expected? That is the thing that I'm most interested in.
16:42
Speaker 6: Yeah.
16:43
Speaker 1: So you have all the the forecasters and the polls
16:46
Speaker 1: and stuff like that. There's also like political scientists do
16:48
Speaker 1: these predictions and they do it like a year in advance.
16:53
Speaker 1: And it's based on sort of the president's approval, historic trends,
16:56
Speaker 1: the economy. And for this midterm with inflation like this
17:01
Speaker 1: and it being President Biden's first term, they predict like,
17:06
Speaker 1: you know, 40 something seats that Democrats would lose, right?
17:09
Speaker 1: And lose the Senate for sure. And so I am
17:12
Speaker 1: very interested. And I would say also that in the
17:15
Speaker 1: last couple of elections, basically ever since 2016, 2016, 2018, 2020,
17:18
Speaker 1: I think sometimes at the end of the race, the
17:21
Speaker 1: narrative and the polls sort of mismatch the fundamentals. And
17:25
Speaker 1: so like in 18, we thought it was going to
17:27
Speaker 1: be a huge blue wave. And it ended up like
17:29
Speaker 1: the Republicans kept the Senate. In 20, it suddenly looked
17:32
Speaker 1: like Biden was like up by eight, nine, 10. And
17:34
Speaker 1: some of these states ended up being a super close race.
17:37
Speaker 1: So the standard of where the baseline for this race is,
17:41
Speaker 1: Democrats lose up to 40 seats in probably the Senate.
17:45
Speaker 1: If we beat that, it's going to be interesting to
17:47
Speaker 1: see how much candidate quality really matters, because we have
17:50
Speaker 1: talked all through this election season that we have nominated
17:53
Speaker 1: some really fantastic Democratic candidates. I'm especially watching Fetterman in Pennsylvania,
17:58
Speaker 1: Warnock in Georgia. We all love Katie Porter here in California, right,
18:03
Speaker 1: in Southern California. And they have nominated some truly terrible candidates,
18:07
Speaker 1: especially in the Senate. And the question is, how much
18:10
Speaker 1: does candidate quality matter? Or is this just going to
18:13
Speaker 1: depend on the national environment and larger forces?
18:16
Speaker 7: New Hampshire is a big example of that, too. Don
18:18
Speaker 7: Baldick is a certified lunatic, the Republican running up there.
18:22
Speaker 3: And by the way, I mean, it's not just that
18:23
Speaker 3: Republicans have nominated terrible people in the Senate. They've nominated
18:27
Speaker 3: absolutely abysmal candidates in the House. And you even have
18:30
Speaker 3: Mitch McConnell, when he was asked, why is Kevin McCarthy
18:33
Speaker 3: seeming to be doing better in the polls than you are?
18:35
Speaker 3: And he said, well, because the candidate quality in the
18:37
Speaker 3: Senate matters. What he was saying is, oh, Kevin McCarthy's
18:40
Speaker 3: running a bunch of fucking morons, dopes, and goons, but
18:43
Speaker 3: nobody knows who's running for the House. They vote more
18:45
Speaker 3: like by the ticket.
18:46
Speaker 2: Yeah.
18:47
Speaker 7: But guys, forget about the House, the Senate, the future
18:49
Speaker 7: of the democracy. The pollsters are the ones on the
18:52
Speaker 7: hot seat Tuesday night.
18:53
Speaker 2: You know what I mean?
18:54
Speaker 7: The Nates are on the hot seat. Harry Enten, we're
18:58
Speaker 7: watching you. G. Eliot, Guy, the economist. Sleep with one
19:04
Speaker 7: eye open, pal.
19:05
Speaker 2: Trafalgar.
19:07
Speaker 3: I think all the Nates, I think there's, what, 10
19:10
Speaker 3: Nates at this point, right?
19:12
Speaker 2: Whatever number of Nates.
19:13
Speaker 1: It ebbs and flows by the day.
19:15
Speaker 3: But I think that all Nates should be basically, you
19:18
Speaker 3: should have a long board and the edge of the
19:21
Speaker 3: board should be hanging over a pool. And you should
19:24
Speaker 3: be standing on the board and they should have to
19:26
Speaker 3: take a step further and further out on the board.
19:28
Speaker 3: as the night moves along, and whoever's model is better
19:31
Speaker 3: gets to.
19:31
Speaker 2: Walk back off, but otherwise, you just jump off your
19:33
Speaker 2: side of the board. I'm sorry, are you a pirate?
19:34
Speaker 2: Are they walking the plank? It's a pool. I'm not
19:36
Speaker 2: trying to kill anybody.
19:37
Speaker 1: So it's just a refreshing dip.
19:39
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just a kind of dunk tank situation. I
19:41
Speaker 2: was interested. It's all in good fun. It sounds fun.
19:43
Speaker 1: One serious note on the polls, if they are wrong
19:45
Speaker 1: again in the same way they were wrong in 2018
19:47
Speaker 1: and 2020, like, come on, people. No dessert for you.
19:51
Speaker 1: And everyone's like, well, they were pretty right in 2018. Yeah,
19:54
Speaker 1: they were pretty accurate in 2018, except in certain places
19:58
Speaker 1: where then they were very wrong again in 2020 and
20:00
Speaker 1: had been wrong in the same time. It's non-response bias
20:02
Speaker 1: with non-college educated voters. If we have that problem again,
20:05
Speaker 1: it's time to fucking... We're so to do what? What
20:07
Speaker 1: do you want him to do, John? Well, just admit
20:09
Speaker 1: that that's the problem, because every time after the election,
20:11
Speaker 1: a bunch of you'll hear from a bunch of Nates
20:13
Speaker 1: that are like, well, it's just sometimes the directions, the
20:16
Speaker 1: polling errors in the other direction. It's like it hasn't
20:18
Speaker 1: been in the other direction for a while.
20:19
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just don't know what I want to understand.
20:20
Speaker 1: We'll see.
20:21
Speaker 3: But it's a sort of like like. Like, it just
20:23
Speaker 3: seems like each time they should be correcting for that.
20:25
Speaker 3: And the next time it shouldn't be as bad.
20:28
Speaker 1: I'm also wondering, like, does the 2018 anti-Trump coalition show up, right,
20:32
Speaker 1: in a midterm? It was a record turnout in 2018.
20:36
Speaker 1: And people who turned out, people turned out in a
20:37
Speaker 1: midterm that usually just turn out in presidential elections on
20:40
Speaker 1: the Democratic side. Will those folks still show up? Will
20:43
Speaker 1: the Trump voters from 16 and 20 who often don't
20:46
Speaker 1: vote in midterms show up and then make it another
20:48
Speaker 1: extremely high turnout election? Obviously, I'm going to be looking
20:51
Speaker 1: at How many election deniers win? Very interested. And this
20:55
Speaker 1: is one where it'll also take some time to figure out, like,
20:58
Speaker 1: how do Democrats do with working class voters, especially working
21:03
Speaker 1: class Latino voters and black men who we've seen some
21:07
Speaker 1: losses with in recent elections? And then do we have
21:10
Speaker 1: trouble in blue places like Oregon, New York, the mayor's
21:15
Speaker 1: race here in Los Angeles? which I know is between
21:18
Speaker 1: two Democrats.
21:18
Speaker 2: Yeah, they were in big trouble.
21:20
Speaker 7: I mean, the mayor's race here in Los Angeles speaks
21:23
Speaker 7: to the broader problem that we're all just inert to
21:25
Speaker 7: and don't talk about anymore, which is the utterly broken
21:28
Speaker 7: campaign finance process that we have that leads to a
21:31
Speaker 7: Georgia Senate race, I think costing $ 250 million all in.
21:36
Speaker 1: Yeah, quarter of a billion dollars.
21:37
Speaker 2: Quarter of a billion dollars.
21:38
Speaker 1: And it's going to go to a runoff. Very likely
21:41
Speaker 1: to go to a runoff.
21:42
Speaker 2: Oh God, it's going to runoff.
21:43
Speaker 3: I'm going to keep getting more emails. It's like, like, Hi, John,
21:45
Speaker 3: it's Raphael. I'm holding a dachshund off the edge of
21:47
Speaker 3: a cliff. Will you donate $ 7. 50 right now?
21:51
Speaker 7: Guys, I got to admit something really embarrassing. I saw
21:55
Speaker 7: an email in my Gmail the other day from Adam Schiff.
21:59
Speaker 2: And it was like, hey, hope you're well. And the trick-or-treaters,
22:04
Speaker 2: you know, have been fun. And I was like, oh, cool.
22:06
Speaker 2: Adam Schiff emailed me.
22:07
Speaker 3: Fundraising and you know that's not jennifer lopez in your
22:09
Speaker 3: dms right.
22:11
Speaker 1: Even though she did send an old picture of her
22:13
Speaker 1: weird usually when usually when people text you they send
22:16
Speaker 1: a picture of themselves right in.
22:18
Speaker 2: The text they don't ask they don't ask for your password.
22:28
Speaker 1: So let's do something useful for people listening like when
22:30
Speaker 1: should people expect to know the results in some of
22:32
Speaker 1: these big races.
22:36
Speaker 2: Go to bed, wake up, do a day of work,
22:39
Speaker 2: go to bed, and then wake up, and then we
22:41
Speaker 2: should know.
22:42
Speaker 1: Okay, that's good. I have a list. Big states we'll
22:45
Speaker 1: know on election night. New Hampshire, Florida, Virginia. They'll count
22:49
Speaker 1: the votes pretty fast. We'll probably know everything.
22:51
Speaker 7: In Virginia, there will be some swingy districts that will
22:54
Speaker 7: give us a signal about where everything's going.
22:56
Speaker 1: Very important, what Tommy just said. Dave Wasserman says, These
22:59
Speaker 1: are the ones to watch in Virginia. So if Elaine
23:01
Speaker 1: Luria holds on in Virginia, too, it should be a
23:05
Speaker 1: better night for Democrats than expected. If Abigail Spanberger loses
23:09
Speaker 1: in Virginia seven, it's likely that Republicans win over 20 seats.
23:14
Speaker 1: If Annie Kuster in New Hampshire. or Jennifer Wexton in
23:17
Speaker 1: Virginia lose.
23:17
Speaker 2: I'm feeling my nerves.
23:19
Speaker 1: Republicans are likely to win over 30 seats. This is
23:21
Speaker 1: all according to Dave Wasserman, who has seen enough. John
23:24
Speaker 1: could have slipped in a fake race there and we.
23:25
Speaker 2: Would have no idea. No clue.
23:28
Speaker 1: Those are the big ones we'll know on election night. Wednesday,
23:31
Speaker 1: not until Wednesday, Pennsylvania, Georgia, Michigan, Wisconsin. It's likely that
23:36
Speaker 1: not until election day or even on Wednesday, some of
23:38
Speaker 1: those states can even start counting votes. Their mail-in ballots
23:41
Speaker 1: and absentee ballots because of.
23:43
Speaker 3: Republicans passing laws to make it so that.
23:45
Speaker 2: Pennsylvania Republicans.
23:47
Speaker 1: And then even longer than Wednesday, Nevada. Their count in
23:51
Speaker 1: ballots up until November 15th. Arizona, which is basically a
23:55
Speaker 1: mostly mail-in state. And right here in California, for sure California.
24:00
Speaker 1: The mayor's race, the congressional race is here. It could
24:02
Speaker 1: be a couple weeks. So just so everyone knows.
24:04
Speaker 3: There are going to be some hot takes here. about
24:07
Speaker 3: what's happening in California.
24:08
Speaker 1: Some will come from us.
24:09
Speaker 2: Some from us. Ignore them.
24:11
Speaker 1: We'll try to keep them cooler.
24:12
Speaker 2: If it's really close.
24:13
Speaker 7: And we need to do kind of like a Brooks
24:15
Speaker 7: Brothers riot insurrection kind of thing, meet you at Blue
24:19
Speaker 7: Ribbon Sushi at the Grove.
24:20
Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure.
24:21
Speaker 1: What kind of insurrection?
24:23
Speaker 2: We're just doing a sit-in at the Grove.
24:24
Speaker 4: No, no, no.
24:24
Speaker 3: If it's looking like Caruso's winning, we're going to be like,
24:26
Speaker 3: we were always for Rick Caruso, our wonderful man.
24:28
Speaker 1: I'm not going to the Grove anymore.
24:29
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're going to the Grove. We're going to the Grove.
24:32
Speaker 2: It's where we keep our cheesecake factory.
24:33
Speaker 1: Yeah. It's a great cheesecake factory. Finally, we're about to.
24:38
Speaker 2: Also, there's one of the Americana.
24:41
Speaker 1: So, there's two of them. All right, we're about to
24:44
Speaker 1: hear from some of the organizers, volunteers, and candidates we
24:47
Speaker 1: talked to in Nevada over the weekend. Before we do,
24:49
Speaker 1: we should talk a bit about how it felt on
24:51
Speaker 1: the ground out there. What did you guys think?
24:53
Speaker 2: It felt good out there. I mean, I don't know.
24:54
Speaker 7: We met a lot of really great volunteers. Democracy feels
24:56
Speaker 7: better on the ground when you're not on Twitter yelling
24:59
Speaker 7: at Nates. And we met a lot of really awesome
25:02
Speaker 7: volunteers who were, you know, in campaign offices at 9 a.m.
25:05
Speaker 7: on Saturday and Sunday, getting ready to knock doors. And,
25:08
Speaker 7: you know, for Susie Lee and for Dina Titus and
25:10
Speaker 7: the Nevada Democratic Party.
25:11
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like we were talking to one activist, like.
25:15
Speaker 3: She has a full-time job. She has two kids and
25:17
Speaker 3: she's organizing to pass the Equal Rights Amendment in Nevada
25:21
Speaker 3: and doing endorsements and knocking on doors.
25:23
Speaker 2: And it's like, God, what a bunch of lazy oafs
25:26
Speaker 2: we are. Yeah, we're good people.
25:27
Speaker 1: And just like, no cynicism everywhere. Everyone's so excited. It's
25:31
Speaker 1: just like, I know it sounds cheesy when we say like, oh,
25:34
Speaker 1: it makes you go feel better to go knock on doors. But,
25:36
Speaker 1: you know, we left that event Sunday morning with Susie
25:40
Speaker 1: Lee and all those volunteers were like, yeah, like, obviously
25:42
Speaker 1: the bigger picture looks pretty bleak right now. But like,
25:45
Speaker 1: These people, they're turning out. They're working hard. It was great.
25:48
Speaker 7: Love it got in a pitched battle with an Amherst sophomore.
25:53
Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. You'll be hearing that.
25:54
Speaker 2: About which college is cooler, Williams or Amherst.
25:56
Speaker 1: In the package. Stay tuned for that, for the battle.
25:59
Speaker 2: It's a debate where everybody loses.
26:01
Speaker 1: We should also say, by the way.
26:02
Speaker 2: He was great, by the way.
26:02
Speaker 1: We've warned you against looking too much into the early vote,
26:05
Speaker 1: but we've kept saying that the exception is Nevada and
26:08
Speaker 1: John Ralston, who... knows the data in that state better
26:12
Speaker 1: than almost anyone and has accurately predicted most of the
26:15
Speaker 1: big races over the last decade. So his final predictions
26:18
Speaker 1: last night were that Catherine Cortez Masto holds on, that
26:21
Speaker 1: Steve Sisolak, the Democratic governor, loses. And that Democrats hold
26:25
Speaker 1: two of the three House seats. He thinks that Susie
26:29
Speaker 1: Lee doesn't eke it out, which would piss me off
26:30
Speaker 1: because she was wonderful.
26:31
Speaker 2: She was really good.
26:33
Speaker 1: And then he does think that Dems win the Secretary
26:36
Speaker 1: of State and AG races, which is good because there's
26:37
Speaker 1: a bunch of crazy fucking election deniers. So we'll see.
26:41
Speaker 1: Ralston could be wrong.
26:42
Speaker 3: From Ralston's lips to God's ears, as we always say.
26:45
Speaker 1: That's what we always say.
26:46
Speaker 2: Follow John Ralston, the Nevada Independent. He's a great reporter.
26:50
Speaker 1: All right. With that, let's hear more from some of
26:52
Speaker 1: the folks that we met in Las Vegas.
26:54
Speaker 11: This is producer Olivia Martinez. We're here in campaign headquarters.
27:00
Speaker 11: We've got a big sign that says, days until election day, three.
27:04
Speaker 11: Another sign that says, Trump, Putin, 24.
27:07
Speaker 1: Shay, get out.
27:08
Speaker 2: Shay, Shay, Shay, Shay. Hi, your name is Shay? It is.
27:11
Speaker 12: My name is Shay.
27:12
Speaker 2: So wait, why did you want to come here and
27:13
Speaker 2: knock on doors?
27:15
Speaker 12: It's been on my.
27:16
Speaker 4: To-do list to Canvas, and I've been kicking myself to
27:18
Speaker 4: do it for the past three or four months. And
27:21
Speaker 4: I realized today is this weekend's last opportunity. And I
27:25
Speaker 4: woke up at 8.55, and it's 9.31, and I'm here.
27:28
Speaker 3: And just because this is an audio medium, I do
27:31
Speaker 3: want people to understand that Shay is wearing Saturday morning
27:34
Speaker 3: sunglasses indoors.
27:36
Speaker 4: Oh, you're lucky I brushed my teeth. I wouldn't be
27:38
Speaker 4: doing this interview if I forgot to do that.
27:41
Speaker 2: Hell yeah. Really close.
27:42
Speaker 3: What gets you up to kind of come here? What
27:44
Speaker 3: issues are the most important to you personally?
27:47
Speaker 4: Abortion access and a woman's right to choose is a
27:49
Speaker 4: huge issue. But every time I listen to the news
27:52
Speaker 4: and they talk about The democracy stuff, January 6th stuff,
27:57
Speaker 4: that affects everything. So democracy is the number one issue.
28:01
Speaker 13: My name is Margie Feldman, and I am the chapter
28:05
Speaker 13: lead of Nevada Jewish Stems. I'm here for so many
28:09
Speaker 13: reasons today, and it gives me a lot of energy
28:13
Speaker 13: to not be afraid, but actually go out there and
28:17
Speaker 13: talk to people. And then we find most people want
28:21
Speaker 13: the freedoms. even if they're not willing to say that
28:24
Speaker 13: or put that sign on their front lawn. What keeps
28:27
Speaker 13: me in the fight is I know what the world
28:30
Speaker 13: can be. I know what freedom feels like. I know
28:33
Speaker 13: what democracy feels like. And it's important that we don't
28:37
Speaker 13: give that up.
28:39
Speaker 11: We're here at the Nevada Victory Democratic Headquarters. There's a
28:43
Speaker 11: lot of really excited canvassers. We're just so fired up.
28:47
Speaker 11: Can we get your name and what you do here?
28:49
Speaker 2: Yeah, so my name is Hutch.
28:50
Speaker 9: I'm the Deputy GOTV Director here at Nevada Democratic Victory.
28:53
Speaker 9: That's my title, but I run the high school program.
28:55
Speaker 12: Awesome.
28:55
Speaker 11: Can you tell us a little more about the high
28:57
Speaker 11: school program and how it came to be?
28:58
Speaker 9: Yeah, so, I mean, really, we just knew that going
29:01
Speaker 9: out into this community specifically was going to make or
29:03
Speaker 9: break this entire election, right? So it was really important
29:05
Speaker 9: to do that kind of early investment here and making
29:07
Speaker 9: sure that we had good messengers to do that investment.
29:09
Speaker 9: And these kids were basically can't think of anybody better
29:11
Speaker 9: to do that, right? So 90% of our program is bilingual.
29:14
Speaker 9: Everybody is from this neighborhood specifically, and everybody, you know,
29:17
Speaker 9: A lot of time they might knock on the door
29:19
Speaker 9: where they know their aunt, they know their mom, something
29:20
Speaker 9: like that, that lives in that neighborhood. So we knew
29:23
Speaker 9: that that was going to be really important. And so
29:24
Speaker 9: we started investing in this program all the way back
29:26
Speaker 9: in July. You know, our first shift, we only had
29:28
Speaker 9: like 20 kids at it. And now we're doing like
29:30
Speaker 9: 40 every three hours. I mean, this is the selection
29:33
Speaker 9: is way too important to sit out.
29:34
Speaker 2: Right.
29:34
Speaker 9: I mean, Republicans, right, their solution to inflation, things like that,
29:37
Speaker 9: are to take your grandma's health insurance and make it
29:39
Speaker 9: harder for women.
29:40
Speaker 2: To buy, to get health care, really. Right.
29:42
Speaker 9: So they're not a serious party that has serious solutions.
29:45
Speaker 2: We are. Right.
29:45
Speaker 9: Like we got to be the adults in this room.
29:47
Speaker 9: We got to fight against, you know, rising health care costs.
29:50
Speaker 9: We've got to make sure we're bringing good jobs here
29:51
Speaker 9: in Nevada. And I know that these candidates are doing that.
29:53
Speaker 9: And these kids are just the best messenger we could
29:55
Speaker 9: ever possibly ask.
29:56
Speaker 1: To do that. Love it.
29:57
Speaker 12: Where are we at?
29:58
Speaker 2: We are in Henderson, Nevada.
30:00
Speaker 3: We are now in a strip mall parking lot waiting
30:03
Speaker 3: for a ride share to take us to a diner.
30:06
Speaker 2: To take us to a diner.
30:08
Speaker 12: Thanks so much.
30:09
Speaker 2: Hi, I'm John. What's your name?
30:11
Speaker 1: Sander.
30:11
Speaker 2: And you're here today to knock on some doors?
30:13
Speaker 14: I'm here today to knock on some doors. I actually
30:16
Speaker 14: go to Amherst, so I thought you would not be pleased.
30:19
Speaker 3: Some two-bit college in Massachusetts.
30:23
Speaker 14: Yeah, so I came up for the election to... To
30:26
Speaker 14: knock on some doors to get some votes. I couldn't
30:29
Speaker 14: stay back in Massachusetts where we know what's going to happen,
30:31
Speaker 14: so I wanted to come out and help.
30:34
Speaker 2: What year are you?
30:35
Speaker 12: Sophomore.
30:36
Speaker 2: Look at this.
30:37
Speaker 3: Look how young sophomores are now. Look at how young
30:41
Speaker 3: they've become.
30:42
Speaker 2: This sucks.
30:43
Speaker 3: It goes to some dump in Massachusetts that only the
30:45
Speaker 3: worst people go to.
30:47
Speaker 12: I could say the same about Williams.
30:51
Speaker 2: This interview is over. All right, so we're in the car.
30:54
Speaker 2: We are heading from... We're in the east side?
30:56
Speaker 1: Yes, we're in the east side of Las Vegas.
30:58
Speaker 2: We're heading on the east side of Las Vegas to
31:00
Speaker 2: the 2 p.m. event with Congresswoman Titus.
31:04
Speaker 12: Love is fading fast.
31:06
Speaker 11: Those four espresso shots not holding you over.
31:08
Speaker 8: Thank you.
31:09
Speaker 9: Hi, nice to meet you.
31:11
Speaker 1: Nice to meet you.
31:12
Speaker 12: Nice to meet you guys.
31:13
Speaker 1: How are you guys doing?
31:22
Speaker 3: Everyone here understands the stakes in this election.
31:24
Speaker 2: Everyone here understands.
31:27
Speaker 3: That choice is at stake, that protecting Medicare and Social
31:30
Speaker 3: Security is at stake, that having people that will actually
31:33
Speaker 3: fight to lower costs for people versus fighting for the
31:35
Speaker 3: richest and biggest corporation in this country is at stake.
31:38
Speaker 3: Everyone here understands what's at stake. We host this show,
31:41
Speaker 3: Pod Save America. We started this media company because we
31:44
Speaker 3: were frustrated. We were frustrated because we felt like the
31:48
Speaker 3: big outlets don't really tell people the stakes. They treat
31:50
Speaker 3: it like a game. And on top of that, we
31:52
Speaker 3: have all this noise on social media that confuses and
31:55
Speaker 3: confounds and spreads misinformation. And then on top of that,
31:58
Speaker 3: we have Fox News and all of its satellites that
32:00
Speaker 3: are drowning us in misleading and deceptive information to try
32:05
Speaker 3: to scare people, divide people, drive people to focus on
32:09
Speaker 3: our worst instincts rather than our best instincts. And we
32:12
Speaker 3: have tens of millions, hundreds of millions of dollars of
32:15
Speaker 3: dark money dropping on top of us every single day.
32:18
Speaker 3: And so whose job is it to tell people what's
32:21
Speaker 3: really at stake? Because we know if they understood, if
32:23
Speaker 3: they really got what's on the ballot, that we would win.
32:26
Speaker 3: I see Moms Demand Action, that people would understand the
32:29
Speaker 3: stakes between gun safety and deregulation. So who is going
32:33
Speaker 3: to do that work? Well, it's going to be us
32:35
Speaker 3: in the homestretch of this election knocking on doors. The
32:38
Speaker 3: media won't do it. There's a lot of people trying
32:40
Speaker 3: to hurt, not help. But if we go door to
32:41
Speaker 3: door and have the most effective interactions that anyone can have,
32:44
Speaker 3: which is face-to-face interactions or person-to-person interactions, if we can
32:48
Speaker 3: do that here in Nevada, if we can do that
32:52
Speaker 3: across the country, we will win. So thank you all
32:54
Speaker 3: for coming out to do that work, to close that gap,
32:57
Speaker 3: because everybody here gets it. Now it's our job to
32:59
Speaker 3: go make sure our friends and our family and our
33:01
Speaker 3: neighbors get it.
33:01
Speaker 2: So thank you so much.
33:05
Speaker 15: My name is Vanita Starks, and I live here in Henderson, Nevada.
33:09
Speaker 2: And I would like to say this.
33:11
Speaker 15: If you don't want to find yourself behind the eight
33:14
Speaker 15: ball in January, and you don't want to see your
33:18
Speaker 15: Social Security benefits chopped, your health care chopped, your right
33:25
Speaker 15: to choose, ladies, your right to choose chopped, if you
33:30
Speaker 15: don't want to see your taxes go up, and the
33:34
Speaker 15: top 1% get that big giant cut again, let's not
33:38
Speaker 15: go backward. Let's move forward. You know, I'd like to
33:42
Speaker 15: see Nevada move forward. And so that's why I vote
33:45
Speaker 15: a blue ticket all the way down, and I'm going
33:48
Speaker 15: to continue to do that, and let's go Nevada.
33:52
Speaker 16: My name is Mark, and I'm out today with EDF Action.
33:55
Speaker 16: It's the advocacy partner of the Environmental Defense Fund. And
33:58
Speaker 16: the thing about living in Vegas is I think we're
34:01
Speaker 16: living in the middle of a desert, and we're acutely aware.
34:04
Speaker 16: that our water supply is finite. If we don't do
34:07
Speaker 16: some pretty drastic things to deal with that, this whole
34:10
Speaker 16: swath of the country may be uninhabitable in 20 years.
34:14
Speaker 16: And some of our elected leaders here in Las Vegas
34:16
Speaker 16: have made tremendous steps. And we've got to keep electing
34:20
Speaker 16: leaders who are going to keep pushing that and fighting
34:22
Speaker 16: that and spreading those changes.
34:25
Speaker 3: Here with Congressman Dina Titus in the home stretch. How's
34:29
Speaker 3: it going out there?
34:30
Speaker 2: How's it feel? What are the vibes?
34:32
Speaker 10: Well, it's been a tough election, and that's why we're
34:34
Speaker 10: working so hard to get all the voters out that
34:36
Speaker 10: we need. Some is mail-in, some is coming to the polls.
34:41
Speaker 10: That'll happen on Tuesday, of course. But I'm feeling more
34:43
Speaker 10: optimistic because we've got so many people on the ground.
34:46
Speaker 10: We've got a good game going. Everybody, unions are working.
34:50
Speaker 10: I think it's going to pull it through.
34:52
Speaker 1: If you have one thing you'd want to say to
34:56
Speaker 1: people who are listening who either live in Nevada or
34:58
Speaker 1: have family and friends out there, What would you say
35:01
Speaker 1: to them? It's Monday night.
35:02
Speaker 10: I'd say it's critical to turn out because the issues
35:06
Speaker 10: are so clear and the differences are so stark between
35:10
Speaker 10: what we stand for and what they stand for. If
35:13
Speaker 10: you want to move forward, come out and vote for us.
35:15
Speaker 15: If you want to.
35:16
Speaker 10: Slide back to the good old days that weren't that
35:18
Speaker 10: damn good for a lot of people, they're your candidates.
35:22
Speaker 6: I got you a vote today.
35:23
Speaker 9: And let me tell you how.
35:25
Speaker 2: I hit my limit on the ATM.
35:27
Speaker 3: So I had to get a cash advance. And I
35:29
Speaker 3: was talking to the cashier at the casino and she
35:32
Speaker 3: saw my hat and she said, you think I should
35:34
Speaker 3: vote on Tuesday?
35:35
Speaker 2: I'm pretty busy on Tuesday. She's like, I always vote
35:37
Speaker 2: for the Democrats. And I said, have you seen some
35:39
Speaker 2: of these people?
35:40
Speaker 3: That Dina Titus is up against, that Catherine Cortez Masto
35:43
Speaker 3: is up against.
35:44
Speaker 2: He's like, yeah, they're pretty nuts, aren't they? I guess
35:45
Speaker 2: maybe I should make some time to vote. So I
35:47
Speaker 2: just want you to know that because.
35:48
Speaker 4: I lost so much so.
35:51
Speaker 16: Quickly, I got you a vote.
35:53
Speaker 1: And he intends to go to every casino on the strip.
35:58
Speaker 1: And I'll do that everywhere.
35:59
Speaker 2: How about door to door?
36:01
Speaker 7: So I went to the bathroom for one minute and
36:04
Speaker 7: I come out and my coworkers, my partners, my co-hosts,
36:09
Speaker 7: best friends are doing a pop-up press conference without me.
36:12
Speaker 1: Yeah, sorry. The congresswoman showed up and she's like, aren't
36:15
Speaker 1: there supposed to be three of you? Isn't one called Tommy? Yeah.
36:18
Speaker 3: Tommy came back and then took pictures of us because
36:20
Speaker 3: he thinks it's funny when he sees us pretending to
36:23
Speaker 3: be like politicians and we find it extremely embarrassing. But nonetheless, look,
36:28
Speaker 3: I think we did a great job and we did it.
36:31
Speaker 3: We closed the deal. We closed the deal for Nevada
36:33
Speaker 3: and that's the most important thing.
36:44
Speaker 1: All right, before we go, we're going to play a
36:46
Speaker 1: little game, and we have with us our fearless producer,
36:49
Speaker 1: Hallie Kiefer, who's going to run it.
36:50
Speaker 12: Oh, hi. Thank you for having me.
36:52
Speaker 1: Thanks for coming back.
36:53
Speaker 12: Of course.
36:54
Speaker 8: Well, yeah, I was like, I refuse, but you begged
36:56
Speaker 8: me to have me back on, and I agreed.
36:58
Speaker 12: This is true.
37:01
Speaker 8: But on the lighter side of things, I guess hypothetically,
37:04
Speaker 8: by which I mean the light of the burning pyre
37:06
Speaker 8: that is Twitter, Elon Musk has officially paused the rollout
37:09
Speaker 8: of his new Twitter blue, which, of course, famously is
37:11
Speaker 8: going to be $ 7. 99. for a monthly subscription to get
37:14
Speaker 8: a check. It was initially scheduled to start today. They
37:18
Speaker 8: kind of soft-launched it over the weekend.
37:19
Speaker 12: It didn't really go well.
37:20
Speaker 8: But fortunately, the new abomination will reportedly go live November 9th,
37:25
Speaker 8: providing Twitter is successful in allegedly trying to hire back
37:28
Speaker 8: a lot of the people they fired. Apparently they're doing that.
37:30
Speaker 8: So things are going great over there. And I just
37:32
Speaker 8: wanted to add before we play the game, did you
37:33
Speaker 8: see his tweet to who he thinks you should vote
37:36
Speaker 8: for and why? And I just want to read it
37:38
Speaker 8: for the viewer if you're not on Twitter. He tweeted,
37:41
Speaker 8: shared power curbs, the worst excesses of both parties, therefore
37:44
Speaker 8: I recommend voting for a Republican Congress given that the
37:47
Speaker 8: presidency is Democratic.
37:48
Speaker 12: That might be the craziest thing he's ever said.
37:51
Speaker 1: Oh, I don't know at this point. He's a real asshole.
37:55
Speaker 3: He's just a low information voter who thinks he's a
37:57
Speaker 3: high information voter.
37:58
Speaker 8: And I do think Lovett should be put on trial
38:00
Speaker 8: at The Hague forever, unlawfully ever saying that he's a genius,
38:04
Speaker 8: which has come up and I think it should be
38:05
Speaker 8: put to task.
38:06
Speaker 2: I'm sorry.
38:07
Speaker 1: I reject.
38:08
Speaker 2: The car drives itself.
38:09
Speaker 7: I reject the liberal dogma that says that you must
38:12
Speaker 7: hate everyone absolutely if you disagree with them politically.
38:15
Speaker 2: The guy did start a rocket company.
38:16
Speaker 1: Well, I think he's smart.
38:17
Speaker 12: And so I love him.
38:18
Speaker 1: I think just because... You don't have to love him.
38:19
Speaker 1: He started a rocket company. He's good at building rockets
38:22
Speaker 1: and electric cars, and he's bad at politics and communication.
38:25
Speaker 2: You can be a genius asshole.
38:27
Speaker 12: Yes, and that's what we're talking about.
38:28
Speaker 2: I don't like him. I don't think he's stupid.
38:31
Speaker 1: You love him. You love him.
38:32
Speaker 2: I love him.
38:33
Speaker 12: You drive your car... Own that.
38:36
Speaker 2: I do.
38:36
Speaker 1: Love it already paid for Twitter blue. Actually, that's a
38:38
Speaker 1: good segue right there.
38:41
Speaker 12: Wait, is that true?
38:41
Speaker 9: Did you?
38:42
Speaker 4: No.
38:42
Speaker 2: Okay.
38:44
Speaker 12: Obviously, love it is vowed on this very podcast not
38:47
Speaker 12: to pay.
38:47
Speaker 2: That's right.
38:48
Speaker 8: Because he doesn't want to be doused in a creamy
38:50
Speaker 8: New England clam chowder or a delicious etouffee by a
38:53
Speaker 8: morally upright stranger.
38:54
Speaker 12: As if he was a Van Gogh.
38:56
Speaker 8: But I do think I could talk one of you
38:58
Speaker 8: into Shelly Got Your Heart in Cash if you were
39:00
Speaker 8: actually getting something of value. So I'm just going to
39:02
Speaker 8: give you a couple scenarios. This was crowdsourced from everyone
39:06
Speaker 8: here at Crooked. So I would say these fall into political,
39:10
Speaker 8: realistic features, and then a category I would describe as
39:12
Speaker 8: simply horny. So I'm going to try to pick from each,
39:16
Speaker 8: and you guys can react. The first one, will you
39:17
Speaker 8: tell me which way you think it lands? So Twitter
39:20
Speaker 8: Blue is, okay, it is $ 7. 99 a month, but if
39:23
Speaker 8: you get it, you do get Matt Iglesias' tweets a
39:27
Speaker 8: whole hour earlier.
39:28
Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. Yeah, of Matt Iglesias' tweet window. No, I
39:33
Speaker 2: don't think that's worth.
39:34
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah. I mean, I read a sub stack
39:37
Speaker 1: all the time, so why do I need the tweets?
39:41
Speaker 12: I'm leaving.
39:43
Speaker 2: Oh, wow. Oh, we got a slow, boring head over here.
39:49
Speaker 12: Okay, great.
39:49
Speaker 8: I think you guys made the right choices. Oh, so
39:51
Speaker 8: here's another one. You'll tell me if this is enough.
39:54
Speaker 8: Twitter Blue, yes, it is $ 7. 99 a month, but you
39:56
Speaker 8: get a feature that turns off all discourse so you
39:59
Speaker 8: can just enjoy the jokes.
40:01
Speaker 1: Oh, absolutely.
40:02
Speaker 2: That's great.
40:03
Speaker 1: I'd pay $ 100 a month. Oh, if there was a.
40:05
Speaker 7: Switch, if there was like a politics on, politics off,
40:09
Speaker 7: like sports on, sports off jokes, I would pay for
40:11
Speaker 7: that in a heartbeat.
40:11
Speaker 1: But it's got to be the good jokes, though. I
40:15
Speaker 1: don't want any of these lame political people who think
40:17
Speaker 1: that they just came up with a good joke or
40:19
Speaker 1: the people who are like, oh, I'm going to be
40:21
Speaker 1: the first one to make this joke, even though it
40:22
Speaker 1: was made by 10,000 other people.
40:25
Speaker 2: Even when that's me.
40:26
Speaker 8: Yeah, I was going to say, it's hard because I
40:27
Speaker 8: feel like some of the people, oh, they are political,
40:29
Speaker 8: but then occasionally they'll have a banger.
40:30
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah.
40:31
Speaker 12: Once every six months, you know.
40:32
Speaker 3: The thing about it is that, you know, you either
40:33
Speaker 3: die funny or you live long enough to become this.
40:38
Speaker 2: Right.
40:38
Speaker 1: You know? Louder for people in the back.
40:40
Speaker 7: Or you carry a sink to your new job to
40:43
Speaker 7: do carrot top problems.
40:45
Speaker 1: I'm more misdepraved. Just putting this right here.
40:48
Speaker 3: That, you know, Twitter at its best and worst, it's
40:51
Speaker 3: everybody having the one conversation that, Elon buying Twitter has
40:55
Speaker 3: made Twitter as bad a place to be as it's
40:58
Speaker 3: ever been. There is way too little outside of that.
41:02
Speaker 3: And it just like it used to be for so
41:04
Speaker 3: many years, like there was just a kind of steady
41:06
Speaker 3: hum of weird Twitter being funny and strange and interesting.
41:11
Speaker 3: And like these little kind of paths you could go
41:13
Speaker 3: down and find these like strange little pockets of really interesting,
41:17
Speaker 3: funny people. And I think all those people lost their minds.
41:21
Speaker 3: and no new people came to replace them.
41:23
Speaker 1: Some of the best minds of our generation have been
41:24
Speaker 1: lost on Twitter. Mostly past generations.
41:29
Speaker 3: There's a certain kind of people that you would have
41:33
Speaker 3: thought as brilliant minds that were absolutely rotted out by
41:39
Speaker 3: the internet, just completely destroyed by it. So I really wish,
41:42
Speaker 3: if Twitter's going to survive, it's not going to be
41:44
Speaker 3: because Elon is tweeting weird political things or kind of
41:47
Speaker 3: trolling fucking Kathy Griffin.
41:49
Speaker 1: The whole conversation about Twitter used to be a conversation
41:51
Speaker 1: about Donald Trump for a while, which is like, was
41:53
Speaker 1: not great, but it was at least somewhat understandable because
41:55
Speaker 1: he was president United States and held a lot of power.
41:58
Speaker 1: Now the whole thing is a fucking conversation about Elon Musk.
42:00
Speaker 1: It sucks.
42:00
Speaker 2: It's very boring.
42:02
Speaker 12: Well, that and mine. I have one of the horny ones.
42:04
Speaker 1: Good, good, good.
42:05
Speaker 12: So, yes, Twitter blue. You pay for it. It's $ 7. 99
42:07
Speaker 12: a month.
42:07
Speaker 8: But what you do, you get to experience the chaotic
42:11
Speaker 8: energy around that one Beto tweet that one time. And
42:16
Speaker 8: you get to, whatever you want, you get to, like,
42:18
Speaker 8: have it sort of a black mirror type of situation where, like,
42:20
Speaker 8: at any point in time, you get to feel the
42:21
Speaker 8: chaos we all felt back in 2018. Which I do
42:24
Speaker 8: think was a demarcating line in terms of political horniness
42:27
Speaker 8: on Twitter we never recovered from.
42:30
Speaker 1: I will read the text. Some people might not have
42:32
Speaker 1: heard this tweet. I could reset it for memory.
42:35
Speaker 7: If you have kids in the car, I know we
42:37
Speaker 7: swear too much, this is your warning to really turn
42:39
Speaker 7: down the volume.
42:39
Speaker 3: And if you're alone in the car, pull the wheel
42:41
Speaker 3: into oncoming traffic.
42:43
Speaker 12: I thought you were going to pull over and enjoy yourself.
42:46
Speaker 1: I thought he was going to go there, too.
42:47
Speaker 12: Yeah, sorry. I only put the worst part of it
42:51
Speaker 12: in my notes here. Here we go. Thank you, knowyourmeme.com.
42:54
Speaker 12: Here we go.
42:55
Speaker 1: This is a tweet.
42:55
Speaker 8: I'm not going to name the person because we've all
42:57
Speaker 8: been here. We've all thought this about something. And we
43:01
Speaker 8: all thought, don't put it on Twitter. Just think it yourself, right?
43:04
Speaker 12: Like, think a weird thought.
43:05
Speaker 8: Instead, this woman said, no, today is my day. And
43:11
Speaker 8: she's talking about Ojeda, I believe, is that how you
43:14
Speaker 8: pronounce the candidate?
43:15
Speaker 12: Ojeda and Avenatti.
43:17
Speaker 8: As candidates are like the guy who thinks good sex
43:19
Speaker 8: is pumping away while you're making a grocery list in
43:21
Speaker 8: your head, wondering when he'll be done. A worker's like
43:24
Speaker 8: the guy who's all sweet and nerdy, but holds you
43:26
Speaker 8: down and makes you come until your calves cramp.
43:30
Speaker 1: I remember that.
43:30
Speaker 12: I was like, we have passed the Rubicon.
43:34
Speaker 8: This is like, and I think that's where, I mean,
43:36
Speaker 8: you know, maybe it's my algorithm, but I feel like
43:38
Speaker 8: this weekend was just like, oh, it is no holds barred.
43:41
Speaker 12: Everyone is saying whatever they want, both politically and personally.
43:44
Speaker 2: So we're paying $ 7. 99 a month for that vibe.
43:46
Speaker 1: To feel that feeling. For your calves to cramp.
43:49
Speaker 12: Oh, okay, yeah, I think you have to pay more
43:52
Speaker 12: for that. The actual experience.
43:55
Speaker 8: I'm saying that every month you pay, and that tweet,
43:57
Speaker 8: or whatever, it could be a tweet of similar insanity,
44:00
Speaker 8: is wiped from your head, black mirror style, and once
44:03
Speaker 8: a month.
44:03
Speaker 12: You get to experience it all over again.
44:05
Speaker 1: And it's new to you.
44:06
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll do it, sure. That's a good laugh. $ 95
44:09
Speaker 2: a year for a good laugh.
44:11
Speaker 1: That's more valuable than a check mark, for sure.
44:15
Speaker 8: We just have a couple more here we actually have
44:16
Speaker 8: dozens so I'm trying to figure out which ones are
44:19
Speaker 8: most applicable but every time Twitter blue is $ 7. 99 a
44:23
Speaker 8: month but every time you retweet a politician you are
44:25
Speaker 8: texted or emailed one less time from their campaign where
44:29
Speaker 8: they're begging and screaming at you to give them $ 3 I.
44:34
Speaker 1: Don't want one less time I would pay for it
44:35
Speaker 1: if I could just shut that off.
44:37
Speaker 7: Yeah yeah unsubscribe RT for unsubscribe done yeah I agree
44:41
Speaker 7: with that.
44:41
Speaker 12: For sure I have two left here. I'm going to go.
44:46
Speaker 8: Twitter blue is $ 7. 99 per month, but all internet slang
44:49
Speaker 8: before 2020 is automatically muted. You never have to.
44:54
Speaker 12: See doggo again.
44:55
Speaker 1: Can we do 2021? 2021.
44:57
Speaker 12: I'm adding it to the algorithms.
44:59
Speaker 15: 2021.
44:59
Speaker 12: There's some bad ones in there.
45:01
Speaker 8: Because I feel like when we came up on the internet,
45:03
Speaker 8: there was so much of that, and I still occasionally
45:05
Speaker 8: see it.
45:05
Speaker 12: It's like, we're not doing that.
45:07
Speaker 2: Just call it a dog.
45:08
Speaker 3: Someone says kiddos or doggos, I'm out.
45:12
Speaker 8: I also don't want to ever see the word Dobby.
45:14
Speaker 8: I understand people loved Harry Potter. If I see that
45:16
Speaker 8: little gross man's name or whatever it is, a goblin
45:19
Speaker 8: or something.
45:20
Speaker 2: Yeah, what are the other ones?
45:22
Speaker 12: Yeah, a word that you're like, never make me see
45:24
Speaker 12: this again.
45:25
Speaker 1: Just the phrases are so bad. This you.
45:28
Speaker 2: This you. Louder for the people in the back. All
45:32
Speaker 2: the cliches.
45:33
Speaker 1: Yeah.
45:33
Speaker 2: I don't know who needs to hear this.
45:35
Speaker 1: I don't know who needs to hear this.
45:36
Speaker 2: Sure you do. You just tweeted it.
45:38
Speaker 3: Yeah.
45:38
Speaker 2: You know exactly who needs to hear it. It's actually
45:40
Speaker 2: nobody seeing this.
45:41
Speaker 3: Yeah.
45:41
Speaker 2: That's the problem. Yeah, I'd love to eradicate all of
45:43
Speaker 2: that language. Yep, I'm in.
45:45
Speaker 1: Great. Normalize X. A lot of normalizing.
45:49
Speaker 12: Yeah.
45:50
Speaker 8: And finally, you do get the URL for Elon's secret
45:53
Speaker 8: alt account, and he does post frequent nudes for $ 7.
45:57
Speaker 6: 99.
45:57
Speaker 8: However, it's actually very humanizing and makes you like him more,
46:00
Speaker 8: which you feel more complicated about.
46:02
Speaker 2: No.
46:03
Speaker 3: I'm paying $ 8 a month for Elon nudes, and I
46:05
Speaker 3: have to like him more at the end?
46:07
Speaker 2: You don't have to.
46:07
Speaker 8: It's just sort of a natural process. You see a
46:09
Speaker 8: part of himself you didn't expect to ever see. You're like,
46:11
Speaker 8: I guess you are a person and you have whatever
46:14
Speaker 8: weird thing you have, but.
46:15
Speaker 12: Don't we all?
46:16
Speaker 2: But don't we all?
46:17
Speaker 1: Don't we all?
46:18
Speaker 12: That's really what I would pay for.
46:19
Speaker 3: I'd like to pay $ 7. 99 a month to not be
46:22
Speaker 3: reminded that every person on the other end of a
46:24
Speaker 3: Twitter account is a person.
46:25
Speaker 2: Wow. I'd like to continue to see them as.
46:26
Speaker 1: Sort of the experience we have now.
46:28
Speaker 2: Right. That's true, yeah.
46:29
Speaker 12: We get to experience that for free.
46:30
Speaker 2: Sometimes it's not, I guess. Sort of bots.
46:33
Speaker 15: Yeah.
46:33
Speaker 2: Do it, carry Elon's water now. Try to get out
46:36
Speaker 2: of this whole transaction.
46:37
Speaker 12: I knew I'd bring you back around to it.
46:38
Speaker 1: Do we have one more?
46:39
Speaker 12: Yeah, definitely.
46:41
Speaker 1: Let's see. Let's do one more.
46:42
Speaker 2: Let's do one more.
46:43
Speaker 12: Let's do one more. The Krasensteins come back.
46:46
Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.
46:47
Speaker 1: Get them back.
46:47
Speaker 2: I'm paying for that? I'm paying to get the Krasensteins back?
46:50
Speaker 12: You're paying. And that money's going right in their pocket.
46:52
Speaker 1: How do you feel about that? Think of the joy
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Speaker 1: that that will bring to so many people.
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Speaker 2: You know, they've been a little bit... How.
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Speaker 1: Many texts will send about the Krasenstein tweets?
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Speaker 3: They've been a little bit usurped by the Occupy Democrats people.
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Speaker 3: that are like, you know, Don Jr. is a piece
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Speaker 3: of shit with a bad haircut and he just insulted
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Speaker 3: Josh Shapiro. Retweet if you think Don Jr.
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Speaker 2: Is a piece of shit. That's better than what they do.
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Speaker 2: That's good.
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Speaker 8: And then just in general, I just like, is the,
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Speaker 8: I just wanted to ask, sort of like, is Twitter important? Like,
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Speaker 8: is what is happening to it important? Because I feel
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Speaker 8: like it's like, as people who are on it, it's like,
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Speaker 8: oh no. But if you're not on it, it's sort
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Speaker 8: of like, like you said, like going and like, in
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Speaker 8: person to, to canvas and like do things is much
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Speaker 8: more important. And then we sort of have this myopic
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Speaker 8: platform that's being destabilized. Like what is sort of the,
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Speaker 8: how do we look at it sort of like from 60,000 feet?
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Speaker 8: Do you guys have any feelings about that?
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Speaker 1: I would say that it has outsized influence because every
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Speaker 1: journalist in the world is on it.
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Speaker 2: And so much of the.
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Speaker 1: Media coverage that people base their information off of and
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Speaker 1: make decisions off of is shaped by Twitter. So unfortunately
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Speaker 1: it has an outsized impact, even though it is does
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Speaker 1: not have as many people as most other social media platforms.
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Speaker 1: And I think it's useful to have some kind of
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Speaker 1: a national conversation going. Unfortunately, it has become shitty over
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Speaker 1: the last several years, and Elon is driving it into
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Speaker 1: the ground as fast as he can.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I would say Twitter is important insofar as a
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Speaker 3: group of people who help shape the national conversation view
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Speaker 3: it as a place where people come to shape the
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Speaker 3: national conversation. But there will be a hinge point and
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Speaker 3: we don't know when it will be, it could be
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Speaker 3: soon based on how quickly Elon is sort of eviscerating
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Speaker 3: the place, that all of a sudden, if it's just
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Speaker 3: journalists who don't feel like they're getting a sense of
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Speaker 3: what the lefty pundits are saying and what the right
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Speaker 3: pundits are saying, if it doesn't feel like that kind
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Speaker 3: of bleeding edge of a national political conversation where people
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Speaker 3: come to kind of hear from the 1,000 people who
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Speaker 3: shaped the political debate, If that doesn't feel like what
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Speaker 3: it is, I think all of a sudden it'll stop
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Speaker 3: being useful and then it won't be important to be
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Speaker 3: there and then everyone will have to go somewhere else.
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Speaker 3: Because we do want that space. That space is valuable.
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Speaker 3: It just doesn't have to be Twitter.
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Speaker 14: Yeah.
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Speaker 7: It was never as important as some people thought it was,
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Speaker 7: especially the Twitter founders who thought they were responsible for
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Speaker 7: the Arab Spring and stuff. Like, eyes rolled so far
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Speaker 7: back into my head that I nearly died. I think
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Speaker 7: its importance was waning long before Elon Musk came around
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Speaker 7: because there's other platforms where you, can reach way more
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Speaker 7: people instead of talking to a chat room full of losers.
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Speaker 7: But again, if you brought back Brian Krasenstein, you could
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Speaker 7: get content like, while many of you are likely yelling,
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Speaker 7: go Patriots or go Rams, I'm yelling, go Robert Mueller
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Speaker 7: and the rule of law.
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Speaker 2: That is gold.
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Speaker 1: I've paid experience to that tweet.
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Speaker 12: I guess I'll see y'all on TikTok.
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Speaker 2: See you on TikTok.
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Speaker 7: See you there.
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Speaker 12: Thank you for playing.
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Speaker 2: Great game.
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Speaker 1: everyone we talked to in Nevada who's out there knocking
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