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- C Tolle Run: Hey everybody, this episode is supported by Tailwind Nutrition. And I just wanna say that I love Tailwind. It tastes good. It's easy on my stomach. It gives me steady energy. It makes fueling less complicated. All of the things. So that's why when they came to me, I said yes. That's why I recommend it to all of you and to all of the people that I care so much about. And here in Minnesota, the summer is still here, but we're getting cooler mornings. And it is a good reminder to stay on top of your hydration and your fueling. We have those fall races coming up. 5Ks, 10Ks, yes. But those longer ones, the 10 milers, the half marathons, the marathons. So I want to remind you right here to stay on top of it. Don't get lazy with it. And that's why I recommend Tailwind. Tailwind combines calories, hydration, and electrolytes all in one drink. So I can fill up my bottle and just go and get after it. Whatever activity you're doing, even if you're not just a runner, even if you're a cyclist or you're out playing football or you're doing other things, tailwind's for you. So all you have to do is head on over to tailwindnutrition.com and use the code TOLLY20 for 20% off your order. Hey everybody, I'm Olympian Carrie Toleson and welcome to the C Tally Run Podcast. My guest today is Steven Bibelhausen, an emergency room doctor, former collegiate runner. He's a husband, a dad, and now the unofficial world record holder in the stroller mile. Steven recently ran an incredible 417-07 at the Guardian Mile in Cleveland while pushing his one-year-old daughter Blake. He went into the race hoping to break the 444 course record and ended up beating the Existing world record by get this, by more than nine seconds. The record is still going through the ratification process, but we are celebrating it today. We're gonna talk about the incredible race, how Steven has stayed so fast more than a decade after college, why running with Blake, his daughter, has become so special to him, and what might be next for the speedy father-daughter duo. So let's get after it. Carrie: Steven, welcome to see Tolly Run. I'm super pumped to have you on the show. Stephen Biebelhausen: I'm so excited, thank you for having me. Carrie: So okay, this is this is crazy. Like, first of all, I have now been removed from running with a stroller for, I don't know, I guess probably like six years. But you are officially the fastest man to ever run a mile with a stroller. Congratulations. Stephen Biebelhausen: thank you. Thank you so much. Carrie: I mean little your little girl now. Is she one? Stephen Biebelhausen: Yeah, she turned one in July, so she was just a little over one when we ran the race. Yeah. Carrie: Little Blake. I mean, did she know what she was signing up for? Yeah. So tell Stephen Biebelhausen: I don't think so. Carrie: me a little bit about your family and then let's get into the whole world record attempt and all that stuff. But tell me about your family. You just have one. Stephen Biebelhausen: Yeah, just have one. So me and my wife, she works from home most days and we had Blake about a year ago. Carrie: Okay. Stephen Biebelhausen: I don't want to overshare. She might get mad at me for saying this, but might've been conceived right after the Chicago Marathon. So a little runner baby from the start. Carrie: I love that. Well, you know, you as a doctor, and we're just getting right into it because that's what runners do, but you as a doctor, like Stephen Biebelhausen: Yeah. Carrie: you might know that statistic, but I feel like back in the day, do you remember the Culpeppers by chance? So Stephen Biebelhausen: Now Carrie: Alan Culpepper was a two-time Olympian, Shane Culpepper was a two-time Olympian, and Stephen Biebelhausen: Okay. Carrie: They have all boys and all of their boys are super fast, very good athletes. And I remember them talking about like when you are running so many miles like a marathoner does, like you have more of a chance of having boys. Does that even make sense? Like, I don't know. It's like something with the levels of testosterone, whatever. But maybe Stephen Biebelhausen: I have no clue. Carrie: because you were done with like you were on taper mode, you know, that's why you guys had a little girl. Stephen Biebelhausen: Yeah. Well, it actually my wife that ran the marathon. So maybe, Carrie: OOF! Stephen Biebelhausen: you know, was the opposite. Carrie: So I went down that rabbit hole for no reason, but you know what? There's more research for you in the medical world. There you go. Stephen Biebelhausen: It's okay. Carrie: Steven, what does it feel like to be a world record holder? I know that we're still waiting for the official title, but I mean, this is going through the process and this is a big deal. Stephen Biebelhausen: yeah, it's a little shocking. I don't think that I would ever think, I never thought of myself as like a world record holder. It's not something I set out to do. I'm firmly like a sub elite runner. So kind of, kind of shocking. Carrie: I don't know if you can say that. But you entered the race, the course record in Cleveland was 444. Right? Stephen Biebelhausen: Yes, yeah, correct. Carrie: So you then leave the course that day running 417. Stephen Biebelhausen: Yeah. Yeah. Carrie: I mean, when did you kind of think about it? Like going into the race, you must have thought, I can do this. Stephen Biebelhausen: Yeah, I definitely thought course record. Carrie: Mm-hmm. Stephen Biebelhausen: You know, we can talk a little bit more about training and stuff, but I really wasn't training for all that much. Carrie: Okay. Stephen Biebelhausen: I was just helping my buddy out who was in the elite mile. So I did a couple workouts with him and I was like, it'd be fun to go up and support him. And there's his stroller division and I run with my daughter all the time. And then I was like, shoot, we've never done anything like mile pace. So I have no clue how that's even going to go. So Carrie: Yeah. Stephen Biebelhausen: like the week before I was like, all right, we'll do a little six by 400, you know, like minute rest, just standing there. Like we'll see what happens. And I was like 68 to 70 for the quarters. Carrie: Okay. Yeah. Stephen Biebelhausen: So yeah. I was like, okay, like sub 440, know, 430s, 440s, like that'll be like, you know, what I'm shooting for. So Carrie: Yeah. Stephen Biebelhausen: when I like say like on these big programs, I really wasn't training or that's what I expected. I had some, you know, reason I wasn't just, I don't know, as a neutral observer, I'd be like that guy was sandbagging. He was definitely training. Like he's totally lying. But like, no, I promise. Like I had a reason why I thought like 430s. Carrie: You know, you can't deny though talent. I mean, you you have been good for a long, long time, and we're gonna get into that, but you can't that doesn't go away. So you must have had, you know, some sort of rhythm that your body just went back to. I guess so. Take us Stephen Biebelhausen: Just competitive, just competitive. Carrie: through the race a little bit. Like, do you warm up on your own then and then get the baby baby Blake, her name is. Do you how do you do that? What does the race day look like? Stephen Biebelhausen: No, I warmed up with her. I did Carrie: Okay. Stephen Biebelhausen: two miles. I did a mile across the bridge. I watched the high school boys finish and then I did a mile back with her and I did, you know, some, I don't know, calisthenics and warm up stuff by myself that's a little hard to do at the stroller. And Carrie: Yeah. Stephen Biebelhausen: then, yeah, just a couple strides and that was pretty much it. Nothing fancy. Carrie: Yeah. So you you go through you say the four hundred right around I don't know what, sixty seven? Sixty five, sixty seven, somewhere around there? Yeah. It looked like and I I heard the announcer say Stephen Biebelhausen: Yeah, I think so. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And then... Carrie: that it looked like you were switching hands every ten or so steps. Is that true? Did you have some sort of strategy? Stephen Biebelhausen: had zero strategy just when my arms got tired. They were putting way too much thought into it. I was like, ooh, my right arm's a little tired. I'll switch to my left. Carrie: I mean, there's too much to think about. Thinking about the snacks that you need to bring and things like that. Stephen Biebelhausen: Yeah. Carrie: Like, I was wondering though when they said that, I'm like, did he really like, does this how he trains? Because, you Stephen Biebelhausen: Yeah. Carrie: know, most people when they're running with a stroller, they're just praying to God they get through the run. Stephen Biebelhausen: Yeah, that's pretty much it. Yeah. Carrie: She seems like she's pretty chill in there though. Does she like stroller runs? Yeah. Stephen Biebelhausen: she loves it. She has such a good time. Yeah, it's so much easier to get out the door if I'm taking her because she's Carrie: Yeah. Stephen Biebelhausen: all excited. It kind of like makes me excited. And then, yeah, she does great in the stroller. We've gotten her up to like an hour now just hanging out in the Carrie: Wow. Stephen Biebelhausen: stroller. And yeah, I don't think we want to go much further or longer, but like, Carrie: Yeah. Stephen Biebelhausen: yeah, she'll sit there and she'll goo and gah and loves dogs and you know, so it's a good time. Carrie: It's so fun and she was kicking her way. I mean, I think she was helping you. Stephen Biebelhausen: Yeah, I joked to all my friends I made a little motor and that's you know, she her kicking was like spinning the motor and yeah, it's helping me Carrie: it's so cute. I want to talk a little bit about like what what you're thinking during a race like that. Like, are you just kind of focusing on, you know, dad mode and like getting your daughter to the finish line? Were you actually thinking like, I gotta double down here and really push the second quarter or or hammer the third? Like what's your mind what's your mind doing? Stephen Biebelhausen: Yeah, I mean, my goal is just get to the top because it's a bridge for the people who don't Carrie: Mm-hmm. Stephen Biebelhausen: know. So it's like, you you start up, you go, it's not a big uphill, like 30, 40 feet and then down. So was like, I just got to get to the top, like Carrie: Yeah. Stephen Biebelhausen: just make it to the top. But yeah, that's like when I got to the top at 212, that's kind of, was like, I have to like kind of double down and I should go Carrie: Yeah. Stephen Biebelhausen: fast because I was like, I'm going to break the world record. So I got to put some time into it. Carrie: So you kinda knew the world record going in too. Stephen Biebelhausen: Yeah, I looked it up just because I was curious I think beforehand and I was a little, I don't want to say how, I don't want to be mean to the prior record, but I was a little shocked how gettable it was, I guess I'll put it Carrie: huh. Stephen Biebelhausen: that way. I was like 426, maybe like in the future, you know, you know, see how this one goes, train a little bit more. Because I thought like, I don't know, someone would have gone like four O's like Ingebrigtsen or Kerr, you know, someone would have just Carrie: yeah. Stephen Biebelhausen: done something that was ridiculous and you know. Carrie: Did you just call up Jakob Ingebritson? I mean, hey Jakob, let's go. Hey. Stephen Biebelhausen: I'm ready for it. I was on like some UK talk show and they brought it up and I was like, listen, you know, if they Carrie: That's so funny. Stephen Biebelhausen: organize it, I'll go. I'll get my butt whooped, but like it'll be fine. Carrie: You know, that's what's been so fun about this, Stephen. Like you've been on NBC, you've been on other, you know, outlets here in the States, but now you said you've be even been on some international outlets as well. Stephen Biebelhausen: Yeah, yeah, it's been a little wild how crazy this thing's gotten. Carrie: I mean, I think everybody loves that story. And I think for me too, what really got me is I'm I'm my sist I have two older sisters. And my favorite time with my dad was running with him. And he didn't push me in a stroller that I can remember. Stephen Biebelhausen: Yeah. Carrie: But he would like push us off the diving board when we couldn't walk. Stephen Biebelhausen: you Carrie: Like he was that guy that just really encouraged us to do something. And then I saw my mom out walking early in the morning and she wasn't allowed to play sports, but she was our our biggest cheerleader and you know the bag lady we called her because she carried all the bags. And you know, our parents were so involved in our lives. And you are doing that from the get-go. And that's to me, yes, you ran super fast. But I think for me it was like seeing the joy on your daughter's face. Seeing you do something that you love and then also just seeing your family be so excited about it as well. Stephen Biebelhausen: Yeah, and it helps to have a very cute baby. That's my joke. It's like, if I didn't Carrie: my gosh, she is so cute. Stephen Biebelhausen: have a cute baby, like, this would have just been maybe some local news, like, you know, it would have been like, that's a cool story, but that's about it. And now it's like, she's too cute. Carrie: Yeah. my gosh, she's the best. So okay, and actually I showed my daughter a picture and she wants to officially be your babysitter at the next world record attempt. So you gotta you got Ruby there. So tell me a little Stephen Biebelhausen: Okay, sounds good. Yeah. Carrie: bit about training with her. How often do you take her out? You said you take her up to an hour here or there, so are you out with her every day? Stephen Biebelhausen: Yeah. Probably about three or four times a week, to be honest. Carrie: Okay. Stephen Biebelhausen: It just is kind of nice to, my wife works from home and so, you know, I have a weird schedule. So if I can take her out of the house, give her some alone time, let her work, you know, it's an hour and a half, you know, round trip to the trail and you know, Carrie: Nice. Stephen Biebelhausen: run and everything. So, and it's good like father daughter bonding time. So yeah, we try to get out like three Carrie: So nice. Stephen Biebelhausen: or four times a week, but not, we don't really work out. It's usually just easy runs, you know, 730 ish pace. Yeah. Carrie: Yeah, yeah. I used to joke that I gave the kids whip not whiplash, but win burn. Win burn because we'd go so fast. does your does she I was just gonna say, is she a runner, your wife? Stephen Biebelhausen: Yeah, yeah, my wife will take her to I was gonna say yeah my wife will Yeah, she runs to she's just kind of getting back into it, you know postpartum and everything But yeah, so she'll take her to and it's funny She'll kind of like whine and cry cuz she'll go a little faster. So I feel bad for my wife sometimes I'm like, I'm sorry Yeah Carrie: That's so cute. She's all about the speed. Do you think do you have like I mean, I think all of us runners, you and I are alike that way. I think we all kinda hope we have runners. You know, I I want them I want my kids to do whatever they they want to do, but anytime they go for a run or they're out doing a mile or whatever, it just kinda warms my heart. Do you hope she's Stephen Biebelhausen: Yeah, Carrie: a runner? Stephen Biebelhausen: I do. Yeah, I hope some sort of endurance sport. I don't know, that or cycling. Cause I already got plans Carrie: Yeah. Yeah. Stephen Biebelhausen: like getting on the bike early, you know, run next to me. So get the cycling legs going early. Like I'd be okay with that. Yeah. Carrie: Yep. Mm. Yeah. So cool. Hey, I you mentioned a little bit about your career is a little bit different. Your time your hours at least. I Stephen Biebelhausen: Yeah. Carrie: wanna get into that, but I wanna start with your running journey and then we'll build into that a little bit. Tell me about how you got into running and and that whole whole deal. Stephen Biebelhausen: Yeah, I mean, I feel like most you know, runners, I started playing soccer from a young age and then I got into running around middle school, high school. And then I was just a much better runner than I was a soccer player. So, you know, ended up doing that. I thought I was going to be a longer distance guy going into college. I had a scholarship to Miami. I just didn't realize I was running against a guy named Grant Fisher, who was very good coming from Michigan. Carrie: Ha yes. Stephen Biebelhausen: was two years younger than me and already like kicking me down and I was like wow maybe I'm just not a miler maybe you need to go up to the 10k in college but yeah I got to college and I was a 1500 5k guy for most of my career I did 110k on the track it did not go well and then yeah yeah but then yeah by my senior so and then funny enough I was in the same conference as a guy named Clayton Murphy so once again just Carrie: gosh. Stephen Biebelhausen: You know, I'm used to, used to kind of come in, you know, second, third, there's some big names. And then luckily, yeah, Carrie: Yeah. I mean medalists. You're talking about Olympic medalists right here. Stephen Biebelhausen: exactly. And then he luckily went pro and did, I think, yeah, that must've been Rio 2016. And Carrie: Yeah. Stephen Biebelhausen: I was the Mac 1500 champ. So door opened up and you get to step through it sometimes, but. Carrie: Well, I know. I was looking up your stats 'cause you know that's what I like to do. And you've Stephen Biebelhausen: Yeah. Carrie: run four six for the mile indoors. Stephen Biebelhausen: Yeah. Carrie: You only ran four sixteen outdoors though. Tell me the history there. Stephen Biebelhausen: I just, don't think there's a lot of like outdoor miles, you know? I mean, I Carrie: I see. Stephen Biebelhausen: was 347, I think one for the 15. So that'd be like a 404 conversion. So Carrie: Uh-huh. Yeah, that makes sense. Stephen Biebelhausen: I was right there and I really wanted to like kind of post collegiately me and my friend, we were close training. name's Andrew Dusing. He went on to break four. He was an actual all American in the 1500. So we had a Carrie: Okay. Stephen Biebelhausen: good little group at Miami of Ohio. I just got like really sick with the GI bug like right after college, right after Carrie: really? Stephen Biebelhausen: my senior year finished. And I was like, it's just hard to train after you've been out for a week. just never, Carrie: Yeah. Yeah. Stephen Biebelhausen: because that was the plan, we'll go do some summer circuits, go do some fast miles. then, yeah, I don't know. I guess I just kind of lost steam. And it's hard to keep going after a long college season. Carrie: It really is. And so now you are you did not go that professional route of trying to run professionally, Stephen Biebelhausen: you Carrie: but you did kind of follow it. I was looking at your your bio from college and you went into the medical world, which is what you wanted to do early on. So tell us a little bit about what you're doing now. Stephen Biebelhausen: Yeah, so I work as an emergency room physician. I work with the Cleveland Clinic at one of the smaller, like, kind of satellite hospitals. kind of through that running's always been a constant. It's always been nice to step outside. It's very much, medicine's very much like in a room, like dark room, just kind of studying. So it's nice Carrie: Yeah. Stephen Biebelhausen: to like get outside and experience nature a little bit. So it's always been there. And then I met some great guys while I was in medical school in Chicago who kind of convinced me to do a marathon. And I know, I know. We joke that you do the shortest distance that you're good at, you know? Carrie: Mm. Stephen Biebelhausen: I didn't cut it in the mile, I guess we'll try some marathons and see how that goes. it's been fun. Carrie: Yeah. Stephen Biebelhausen: Marathon's not my favorite distance, you know, it's something to do, I guess. Carrie: There's nothing like a good long run with a bunch of buddies. I mean really that's what I miss the most when I'm kind of just in that float stage where I just go out get outside and run four or six miles. Like I miss those long runs 'cause that's where that true conversation happens. Stephen Biebelhausen: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And even if you're just kind of like sitting in the back because you've had a bad day but other people are conversing, you like get out of your head a little bit. Yeah. Carrie: Y Yep. Mm. So tell me how your hours are. Because I have some good friends that are emergency room doctors and they do they have some stretches where they get some good training in, but then it gets crazy busy. So what is your schedule like? Stephen Biebelhausen: Yeah, pretty much the same. It's crazy. I'm just coming off kind of a rough stretch of three days in a row working 10, Carrie: Mm. Yep. Stephen Biebelhausen: 11 hours. So I've been doubling. You just get four or five miles in the morning, four or five miles when I get home on the treadmill because it's dark. And that's pretty much all you can get in. And Carrie: Yeah. Stephen Biebelhausen: then I'll have a stretch where I'm off for three or four days. And I'm like, great, double threshold. I'll lift and recover in the middle. I train like a pro athlete. Carrie: Right. You do. Stephen Biebelhausen: So it just kind of depends. You just got to work it in. I look at the week beforehand and I go, okay, here's the days I can kind of work out. Here's the days I can do like a long run and here's the days I need to take Blake for easy runs. And you know, we Carrie: Yeah. Stephen Biebelhausen: plan it out. Carrie: Yeah. I wanna know what people in the emergency room were saying when you walked in as a world record holder. Stephen Biebelhausen: You know, they're a little shocked. feel like... I'm sorry, my dog's going nuts about something. Yeah. Hey. Yeah. Carrie: That's they got excited too. He was or he or she were pumped up. Her old world record. Stephen Biebelhausen: You know you tell people you run, it's hard to convey I guess in a humble sense where you are sometimes. Carrie: Yeah. Stephen Biebelhausen: You can say I do marathons, I'm pretty good, I run fast and they're like okay. And then yeah you walk in as a world record holder. You didn't Carrie: It's Stephen Biebelhausen: say you were like that. Carrie: That is so wild. Well, how do you think you use that mind as a guy that can run so fast and and translate that over to being, you know, a very focused doctor as well? Stephen Biebelhausen: Yeah, I mean, I think it's just like being able to do hard things, you know, Carrie: Yeah. Stephen Biebelhausen: I think that's just a skill that most athletes have to learn at some point is going through hard things and going through medicine is hard. Some shifts are harder than others. And like, you just know that you're going to be able to get through it, that there's an end. It's like the marathon, Carrie: Yeah. Stephen Biebelhausen: like it's hard, it's long, but there's an end. Carrie: What's the hardest part about being an emergency room doctor? Like I think of that often. I I secretly Stephen Biebelhausen: You Carrie: think I missed my s sometimes I think I should have been in the medi medical world because I love it. But I can imagine like the intensity that you have to deal with at times, the you know, the true focus, the perseverance, because there's a lot of r hard things that happen in in the emergency room. You he you see a lot of tough stuff. So like what's it like in there? Stephen Biebelhausen: Yeah, I think you hit the nail on the head, it's hard, but sometimes that's, like you train so much for that. I think the part Carrie: Yeah. Stephen Biebelhausen: that is like the hardest is the whiplash. You go kind of from that to someone who came in because their back's been hurting for three weeks and you're just Carrie: Right. Stephen Biebelhausen: like. You know, you have to like still regain some sympathy and some empathy when you're like, okay, like, Carrie: Sure. Stephen Biebelhausen: you know, so I think that's the hardest part is kind of that whiplash from like a really intense situation to a not so intense situation and Carrie: Mm-hmm. Stephen Biebelhausen: kind of still keeping that empathy and still trying to do the best for the patient. think, Carrie: Yeah. Stephen Biebelhausen: you know, it can be difficult sometimes. Carrie: I love that you probably have such a level head that way. I mean you have to in the emergency room, but I think the the journey of the run is so it's you know, at times it just seems kinda silly, but I really do think there's so many life lessons that we learn in races, in training, in, you know, just like dreaming about the goals that we have. It's it's pretty spectacular. I love our sport that way. Stephen Biebelhausen: Yeah, I agree. You can draw so many parallels. Like I said, Carrie: Mm-hmm. Stephen Biebelhausen: like even the whiplash, like I would say those are more like the easy runs and then you have like the intense Carrie: Yeah. Stephen Biebelhausen: runs and like sometimes it can be hard to like get yourself up for an intense run, but sometimes it's hard to get out the door for an easy run because you're like, well, what's kind of the point? You know, like Carrie: Right. Yeah. Stephen Biebelhausen: why do I have to go do six or eight miles right now? You know, I could just not. Carrie: Hmm Well Steven, we wanna know what's next because after running four seventeen with the stroller, I mean sometimes I'm like, does he wanna maybe go and see what he can do without that stroller? I don't I don't think so. No point. Stephen Biebelhausen: I don't think so. I did some workouts and I'm like, I mean it would be fun to break four but I did some workouts and the quarters were like 61s and I'm like, I think I'm just a little too old, a little too past but you know. So yeah, I don't know. I don't know what's next. Just keeping an open mind. I have nothing on the books but we'll Carrie: Yeah. Stephen Biebelhausen: find some races. We'll enter a 5k or 10k or something and I'll look up the record beforehand and we'll see what it is. I don't know. Carrie: I love it. So your your training group, who who do you run with on a regular basis? Is there a group name? Stephen Biebelhausen: Yeah, we call ourselves Mayermin Valley Track Club. Carrie: Okay. Stephen Biebelhausen: It's kind of the southern end of the Cuyahoga Valley National Park. So it's just a bunch of ex, you know, college runners, couple D1, couple D2, couple people who actually didn't run in college who are just, you know, found the love a little later and fast. So we have a good group. You know, last, last. cycle we went for an OTQ at CIM like four or five of us but you know this year I don't know 216 seems a little out of reach seems a little too fast but yeah Carrie: Yeah. What have you run the marathon in? Stephen Biebelhausen: 223 so thank you Carrie: super speedy. You're just good everywhere. what I what I do with all of my guests, I do the run dot Stephen Biebelhausen: you Carrie: rapid fire questions. So I have a number of them for you. So I'm gonna start them early with you because I wanna let you go, but I wanna hear all of these. So you ready for it? Okay, Stephen Biebelhausen: Alright, I'm ready, yeah. Carrie: favorite runner. Stephen Biebelhausen: Probably Inger Bryston. Is this current? I'm assuming... Carrie: Yeah, he is pretty fun. Y anyone any time any nothing is wrong. Stephen Biebelhausen: I mean, I've watched the Dave Waddle race so many times. I think I'd have to go with that. I mean, it's just... Carrie: yes. Stephen Biebelhausen: Yeah. That was like my hype video before high school and college races was watching him. So, yeah. Carrie: That's great. I know. I need to watch it again. I mean his hat just comes to mind right away, right? Like who can run that fast with a hat on? Mm-hmm. I know. It really is. Good reminder. Stephen Biebelhausen: Exactly, like, yeah, you can picture it. Like, you can picture exactly where he is the whole race. Like, it's so iconic. I don't know. Yeah. Carrie: Favorite workout? Stephen Biebelhausen: Probably anything with 200s because 200s is so easy. It's so easy. Carrie: you don't have to think. Stephen Biebelhausen: You don't have to think or like 400s if you're going slower like same thing like Carrie: Yeah, yeah. Stephen Biebelhausen: yeah Just something that's kind of mindless that like I don't mind doing a bunch of reps, you know But Carrie: Yep, me too. Stephen Biebelhausen: yeah Carrie: How many have you done? What's the most two hundred that you've done in one workout? Yeah. Stephen Biebelhausen: 200s? Probably only 16, which isn't all that much, but I want to say it was like a mile-ish workout type thing. I'm so a little speedier, but yeah, I love... Carrie: Yeah. We used to do 24 200s, like quite often. It's a lot of reps. Stephen Biebelhausen: Yeah, like with 200 rest. Carrie: we'd have a minute rest. We wouldn't run the whole 200 Stephen Biebelhausen: Okay. Carrie: usually. We would kind of just mill around. I think maybe we did end Stephen Biebelhausen: Yeah. Carrie: up running the whole 200, but Stephen Biebelhausen: Yeah. Carrie: they were pretty quick. We'd run them like 33 to 35. And that Stephen Biebelhausen: Yeah. Carrie: was, you know, no we didn't have any fast shoes then. Stephen Biebelhausen: Yeah, different times. Carrie: Yeah, yeah. But sixteen by two hundred sounds perfect. Stephen Biebelhausen: Yeah, like I said, that sounds like a little bit better in my opinion version. That's Carrie: Me too. Stephen Biebelhausen: like my, you know, like that's enough. That's enough. Carrie: We'd get to 16 and my coach would be like, How many, how many more do we have? And we're like, Coach, all you have to do is mark down how many we've done. Like, we're trying to turn it off here and just run. Jay's. Yes. I know, D-Dog. Okay. Anyway, favorite pre-race meal. Stephen Biebelhausen: Yeah, especially with those high rep ones, you you just want to like get into a groove and go. Yeah. Ooh, like the night before, I love steak. Yeah, I'm a steak. I'm a protein guy. Carrie: Yes. Is that what you had the night before you ran four seventeen? Stephen Biebelhausen: I have no clue. We went, we got up to Cleveland early and I had like a chicken sandwich. The race is at 740, so like at Carrie: Ha. Stephen Biebelhausen: 430, I was eating like a fried chicken sandwich. So yeah, Carrie: NOOOO Stephen Biebelhausen: I have an iron stomach. So yeah, it's, Carrie: That's hilarious. Okay, what did you have post race then? Or what is your favorite post race meal? Stephen Biebelhausen: ice cream. I don't know if that constitutes as a meal, but yeah, it's like a big old bowl of ice cream. Yeah, a hundred percent. Ooh. Carrie: me too. Yes. Ooh, I like a milkshake. I like a burger and a shake, I think. That's my favorite. Stephen Biebelhausen: I think shakes get me too thirsty, if that makes sense. Yeah, like you Carrie: Thirsty I mean I get it. Yeah, I get it. Stephen Biebelhausen: ever like crave salt after a race and then like the milkshake just isn't hitting that salty, Carrie: Just yeah, yeah. Stephen Biebelhausen: you know, but you can get like a pretzel, you know, peanut buttery, you know, ice cream. Carrie: and I always have a Dr. Pepper Coke with the burger, but then I like a shake as well, so you know. Stephen Biebelhausen: Mmm. Okay. Yeah, that's yeah. No, there you get your salt. You get your salt that way. Yeah, that makes sense. Exactly. Carrie: There you go. These are our long run conversations that I like to have on the pod, you know? These these are weird, random things. Okay, favorite shoe brand. Stephen Biebelhausen: I'm a Brooks loyalist. I grew up in Michigan right by the Hanson brothers So Carrie: Nice. Stephen Biebelhausen: always been big into them. So I I have to mention it because I feel like my friends would be upset but I run my shoes into the ground so I were like Race like racing flats like every day. So the Carrie: U Stephen Biebelhausen: Hyperion tempos have been like my go-to and my current has like 1200 miles on them Yeah, I'm a psycho Carrie: What? And are they a carbon plated? Stephen Biebelhausen: No Carrie: Okay. Stephen Biebelhausen: No, they're like, they stopped making them. I'm very upset if Brooks could bring them back and send them. They stopped making them like two years ago, but I was still finding them on like running warehouse. I bought like four or five pairs. Yeah, nine and a half. So Carrie: so if anyone here is this, what size are you? Okay. Stephen Biebelhausen: yeah, contact me. Cause I'm unfortunately switching to like the launches, which are a little chunky and I don't love them. I'm a minimalist guy. Carrie: my gosh. Yes. Well you kind of were on the the tail end of that whole thing. I know. Stephen Biebelhausen: Yeah, yeah. mean, so I like the plates. I definitely think the plates help. But like for my easy runs, I am a minimalist and that's how I've always been. I don't get injured all that much, knock on wood. So yeah, I think that comes from me being a broke college kid, but like I said, Carrie: Interesting. And you wear them for twelve hundred miles? That's hilarious. Stephen Biebelhausen: if it's not broke, don't fix it. So. Carrie: Well I was wondering if you were getting some sponsorship ideas or you know, some companies saying, We need this Dan. Who did? good. Stephen Biebelhausen: Tuli reached out. Tuli, the stroller. So they're hooking me up with the stroller and some luggage, so I'll shout them out. I appreciate Carrie: That's great. Stephen Biebelhausen: it. Carrie: I know when I was racing and I ha was having babies, Mountain Buggy sent me a double jogger. It was so nice. So that is really cool. Stephen Biebelhausen: That's so nice. Carrie: I love that. Well, congrats on that. Stephen Biebelhausen: Thank you. Carrie: favorite place to run. Stephen Biebelhausen: Northern Michigan. It's beautiful up there. Yeah, snow, sun, doesn't matter. It's always beautiful in Northern Michigan. So like Traverse City area. Gorgeous. Mm-hmm. Yep. Carrie: Yeah, I was gonna say, is that where the dunes are? This is northern Michigan. It is so beautiful there. Stephen Biebelhausen: Yeah, you got trails, you got like back roads, you got Carrie: Yeah. Stephen Biebelhausen: the dirt roads up there are just fantastic. Carrie: If people have not seen the dunes, they need to go. Like that is one of the world's wonders, I think. It's s it's so beautiful. It's Stephen Biebelhausen: Yeah. Carrie: fun. It's fun to take kids. Like it is a r and that Stephen Biebelhausen: Yeah. Carrie: is right outside of Traver City, isn't it? Sleepy Bear Dunes, right? Is that what it's called? Yeah. Stephen Biebelhausen: Yeah, wanna say like, yeah, Sleeping Bear Dunes. Yeah, it's like 15, 20 minutes south. Everything up there is kind of, it's further than you think, I guess, but it's close, yeah. Carrie: Close. yeah. And Mackinac Island, not too far. Like we did that whole trip one year in an RV, which was awesome. I loved it. Yeah, for sure. Stephen Biebelhausen: Mm-hmm. Yeah. That's the way to do it. Yeah. I want to do like a trip all around Lake Michigan. So like go into the UP like down Wisconsin, down Carrie: Mm-hmm. Yep. Stephen Biebelhausen: Illinois. Like that'd be really fun. Carrie: Some people do that like on a houseboat, I've heard. They take it on I know, I think, I think they take that on Lake Michigan. Is that like too dangerous? I don't know. Okay. Yeah. Anyway, okay, we digress. what's tougher? Now these are this or that sort of things. Running Stephen Biebelhausen: Ooh, that sounds much more fun. Yeah, I don't think so. It's not too bad, yeah. Okay. Carrie: into the wind or running uphill with a stroller. Stephen Biebelhausen: into the wind 100%. I think so. Carrie: So what is it about running with a stroller that you guys like? Because my husband, he would complain every single day that we would go on Stephen Biebelhausen: you Carrie: a run just us two. But the second we had a stroller, it was like he could run 30 seconds faster per mile. I don't know what his deal was. I guess. Yeah. You just want to be the big old brute out there and Stephen Biebelhausen: It's just that dad strength. That's all it is. You get some dad strength. Yeah. Carrie: show everyone you can handle all of it, you know? Okay, next Stephen Biebelhausen: Yeah. Carrie: one. Track mile or road mile. What do you like? Stephen Biebelhausen: Let's see, tough one. I love the track. I gotta go track. Yeah. Carrie: I I don't know. I don't know. I actually I'm getting ready and prepping for the Fifth Avenue mile. I'm not racing. I'm just doing the commentary. But that was such a Stephen Biebelhausen: nice. Yeah. Carrie: fun race. I really loved the road mile there, so I don't know what I can. Stephen Biebelhausen: It's just, yeah, it's tough. just love, I don't know. I know exactly where I'm at on the track. And I think it's like, it's like a safety blanket. Like road miles are kind of fun because you can get lost, but the Carrie: Yeah. Yeah. Stephen Biebelhausen: safety blanket of the track of being like, I have 350 meters left is it's unmatched. You're like, okay, I know. Yeah. Yeah. Carrie: Yeah. It's true. That is true. I love the bell. Like all of that is pretty fun. the first word that comes to mind when you hear four seventeen. Stephen Biebelhausen: I don't know, shocked, surprised, somewhere along there, yeah. Carrie: Was it so cool that Sidious Meg was like doing all the commentary on your race? Stephen Biebelhausen: my god, like having Eric Jenkins and Cowell Murber, Carrie: Yeah. Stephen Biebelhausen: like guys you looked up to in college, like comment on your race was just like, it was like, I watch it like probably, I mean, now I'm not watching it as much, but I'd say average once a day since it's happened, like probably three or Carrie: Yeah, it's so cool. Stephen Biebelhausen: four times a day after it happened. Like it was, it gives me chills. It's so cool. Yeah. Carrie: I know, they're good guys. It's fun. Okay, favorite thing about being a dad. Stephen Biebelhausen: that's such a tough question. The hugs. I love the hugs. Carrie: Mm-hmm. Stephen Biebelhausen: Whenever I'm getting her ready in the morning and we got to put the little shorts on, I stand her up and she just gives me like a nice big hug and I can pull on her shorts. And it's just like the best way to start the day. Like it just is, Carrie: Yeah. it is. Stephen Biebelhausen: yeah. Carrie: I love that. Okay, this or that. Would you rather run another world record or just go and have some fun with Blake and the stroller? Stephen Biebelhausen: just go and have some fun with Blake. Yeah, that's easy. Yeah, I mean, cause... Carrie: Yeah. Yeah. You don't have like world records all over your wall or on your mirror now. You're you're just still living life and having fun. Stephen Biebelhausen: No. That was the whole goal of the summer was I came off of the marathon in the spring. I ran Pittsburgh Carrie: Yeah. Stephen Biebelhausen: and I was like, do I want to do like another fall marathon? I was like, no, I just want to go. Like, I just want to have fun. Like, I want to be fit. I want to run with my daughter and do some workouts. But like, I Carrie: Yeah. Stephen Biebelhausen: just want to sometimes you just have to fall back in love with running, you know, and Carrie: Yeah. Stephen Biebelhausen: it was kind of this summer and like now this happened and it's like, yeah, I love running again. Carrie: Steven, it has been so much fun to get to know you and to watch you and I as I said, like my heart is just like so so full seeing you and Blake and and your wife. Like it's just a really fun family dynamic from the outside looking in and thank you for sharing Stephen Biebelhausen: Yeah. Carrie: your story and and your smile says it all. Like you could just see that you're happy and and that's what life's all about. C Tolle Run: Thanks so much for joining us today and CTollyRun. My guest was Steven Bibelhausen. You can find Steven on Instagram at Beeble13 and keep an eye on everything that he and Blake are doing. Before we go, a big shout out to Rundot for supporting the show and to Andrew Harley and Sarah Bernie, the amazing producers behind the Try Dot, Run Dot, and CTollyRun podcasts. 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