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Book Club: The Keepers - An Alien Message For the Human Race · Conspiracy! The Show

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to Conspiracy The Show, the world's most trusted conspiracy
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  Speaker 1: dairy podcast, with your hosts Adam Todd Brown and Olivia Hidar.
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  Speaker 2: Hey, everybody, welcome to a very special book club edition of.
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  Speaker 3: Conspiracy The Show. I'm your host Adam Todd.
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  Speaker 4: Brown or are you I'm Olivia Hidar.
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  Speaker 3: That makes us your hosts plural. Olivia, how's it going?
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  Speaker 4: You know it's going okay. I've built myself a little
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  Speaker 4: arc and that has allowed me to survive the la
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  Speaker 4: weather for the last couple of days been pretty wild.
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  Speaker 4: Between the hurricane and the earth it was. It was
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  Speaker 4: a bumpy weekend.
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  Speaker 3: I love that now and forever.
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  Speaker 2: I get to tell people like especially from the Midwest,
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  Speaker 2: and shit, I get to be like, I survived a
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  Speaker 2: hurricane and an earthquake at the same time, and then
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  Speaker 2: they're like, oh, what did you do? I'll be like,
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  Speaker 2: I just kept watching tennis.
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  Speaker 3: It was pretty.
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  Speaker 2: Like it like a few seconds into the earthquake before
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  Speaker 2: me and the wife looked at each other.
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  Speaker 4: Like are we having an earthquake right now? Because we're
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  Speaker 4: your way farther. You're you're much further from Ohai than
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  Speaker 4: than I was. So I definitely felt it. Yeah, it's
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  Speaker 4: you can say I survived a hurricane and the people go,
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  Speaker 4: what is a tropical storm? And people in LA can
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  Speaker 4: rightfully go in LA. It's basically the same. There's just
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  Speaker 4: I'm sorry, we're just not built for that much rain.
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  Speaker 3: No, we sure aren't. But we survived.
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  Speaker 4: We did.
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  Speaker 3: We're still here and we're talking about a book.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, this book is called The Keepers, an alien message
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  Speaker 2: for the human race. I feel like there are two
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  Speaker 2: different questions here in terms of this book.
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  Speaker 4: One, yeah, is it good?
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  Speaker 3: Two?
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  Speaker 4: Sure?
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  Speaker 3: Do you believe the guy?
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  Speaker 4: Sure? I would say. The third big question is did
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  Speaker 4: Jim Sparks do all the illustrations himself?
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  Speaker 3: The illustrations are wild.
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  Speaker 4: This is going to be something we talk about a
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  Speaker 4: lot in depth. But every time there was an illustration,
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  Speaker 4: I had a good old laugh. I had a nice
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  Speaker 4: time looking at that picture.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, Like, did he have that mullet in real life?
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  Speaker 3: Or is that just threw him?
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  Speaker 4: It must be drawing from reality. Every okay, so every
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  Speaker 4: for the people who did not read this book, which
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  Speaker 4: is hopefully goddamn everyone, don't read this. Don't spend your life.
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  Speaker 3: I don't read it, and like take it as gospel.
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  Speaker 4: But I will definitely drew.
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  Speaker 2: I found the book at least in the early chapters.
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  Speaker 3: He's not a terrible writer, like he's.
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  Speaker 4: He's not a terrible writer. No, he's a very basic right.
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  Speaker 4: He feels like a like a normal like a normal
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  Speaker 4: person sat down.
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  Speaker 2: I think he's a little better than that, like as
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  Speaker 2: a writer myself. I sure there were there were several
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  Speaker 2: lines that I respected a whole lot. He actually isn't
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  Speaker 2: bad with jokes. But yeah, I found the book entertaining.
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  Speaker 4: I did for a little while. I will say it
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  Speaker 4: is quite repetitive.
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  Speaker 2: Near the end, he really starts he's just kind of
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  Speaker 2: saying the same thing over.
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  Speaker 4: I mean all of the encounters are play out fairly similarly,
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  Speaker 4: with some variations. So yeah, I mean, you know, obviously
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  Speaker 4: there if it were available for free anywhere, like if
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  Speaker 4: it were available on any sort of like Libby or
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  Speaker 4: scribbed sort of you know, home library experience, then I
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  Speaker 4: would have a lot easier time suggesting it. And if
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  Speaker 4: any of the illustrations were online at all, I would
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  Speaker 4: say seek those out. But unfortunately you'll have to make
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  Speaker 4: do with our descriptions, and every single one is features
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  Speaker 4: him from the back kind of three quarters angle, so
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  Speaker 4: you see his mulleted head and the big pushbrow musta
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  Speaker 4: apparently he had.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, the illustrations are great. So anyway, it starts with
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  Speaker 2: a prologue from Linda Moulton Howe, who anyone who's way
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  Speaker 2: into UFO's will recognize that name. She's been on the
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  Speaker 2: scene for a long time.
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  Speaker 4: I would say a solid quarter of this book is
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  Speaker 4: written by other people, because there's a bunch of there's
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  Speaker 4: a ton of stuff at the very end that's also
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  Speaker 4: written by other people. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: The we do find out in the prologue that Jim
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  Speaker 2: Spark's real name Vincent Sparasino.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, which and yeah, that is never explained.
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  Speaker 4: Why is Italian? He says over and over again that
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  Speaker 4: he is Italian. I'm gonna I'm gonna argue with you,
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  Speaker 4: but is it.
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  Speaker 2: But I mean, is that in it Italian thing to
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  Speaker 2: just go by a different name.
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  Speaker 4: Well, no, but I mean his his name is very Italian,
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  Speaker 4: is all I meant.
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  Speaker 3: Oh No, I get that.
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  Speaker 2: I just don't understand why he's using the stage name.
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  Speaker 4: It's a synonym. It's to protect his identity.
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  Speaker 3: I guess line in his book it's a real name.
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  Speaker 4: I know. Yeah, that is that is kind of funny.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know why you do that, but it's it
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  Speaker 4: is very funny. How often he mentioned being an Italian.
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  Speaker 4: It's a very Italian American thing to do. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, he's super proud of that.
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  Speaker 4: And hey, anybody who's ever known an out and proud
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  Speaker 4: Italian will tell you that, they'll let you know that
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  Speaker 4: they're fucking Italian.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and he sure does.
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  Speaker 2: And Yeah, there's a bunch of like prologue and introduction stuff.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah that, I mean, I don't care about. You know,
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  Speaker 2: there is now that I'm looking. I'm flipping through the
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  Speaker 2: pages again, there is a picture of Jim Sparks.
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  Speaker 3: And he does have a mullet.
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  Speaker 4: There we go. It's a very curly mullet. I missed
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  Speaker 4: the photograph.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and he in.
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  Speaker 2: The introduction dives right in says, my name is Joe Sparks,
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  Speaker 2: and I have been contacted by extraterrestrial beings.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, did you find it?
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I guess it doesn't always happen in the morning.
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  Speaker 2: But a lot of this, what he's describing sounds so
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  Speaker 2: much like sleep paralysis.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, yes, absolutely, that was a big sleep paralysis. And
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  Speaker 4: once again noid schizophreniarears its ugly head. And you know,
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  Speaker 4: I don't want to just dismiss the guy out of hand,
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  Speaker 4: but also when you're describing things that sound like textbook
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  Speaker 4: examples of psychological phenomenon, I'd it difficult not to do
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  Speaker 4: that a little bit.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: He even talks about during these abduction scenarios, like about
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  Speaker 2: how he can't move. Yeah, and it's like that really
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  Speaker 2: sounds like sleep paralysis. Yes, And we know now that
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  Speaker 2: a lot of alien contact type of stuff ends up
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  Speaker 2: being that, Like there's a terrible documentary about it, Like
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  Speaker 2: we know it's a thing.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, And he over and over again in describing his
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  Speaker 4: abductions talks about how dreamlike they feel and how you know,
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  Speaker 4: things don't move in a logical fashion, and you know,
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  Speaker 4: just there's a lot of hints what's actually going on here. Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: He also drinks a lot, and he also was a
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  Speaker 4: severe alcoholic for several years at least, So.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah that all as I was reading this, I
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  Speaker 2: was just like, I don't know, Bud, Like I'm not
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  Speaker 2: I'm not.
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  Speaker 3: Opposed to the idea that aliens.
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  Speaker 4: Exist, sure me either, obviously.
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  Speaker 2: And the thing is everything he's talking about one of
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  Speaker 2: the things he always points out is well, I have
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  Speaker 2: like perfect recollection of everything happened to me, and I'm
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  Speaker 2: the only one who has that perfect recollection.
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  Speaker 3: And it's like, well, that's weird too then.
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  Speaker 4: Right, Yes, I mean a lot of this In addition
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  Speaker 4: to talking feeling like sleep press is a lot of
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  Speaker 4: it also feels like a creative writing exercise, like you know,
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  Speaker 4: there's a lot he remembers. He remembers his events so
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  Speaker 4: clearly that he remembers specifically what he is mumbling to
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  Speaker 4: himself as the experiences are happening. And I don't know
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  Speaker 4: that's all. That's pretty accurate memory.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: That reminds me of Behold a Pale Horse, where so
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  Speaker 2: much of it is Bill Cooper being like listen, I
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  Speaker 2: saw a bunch of documents in nineteen sixty five, and
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  Speaker 2: as luck would have it, I remember every one.
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  Speaker 3: Of them word for word. Like, are you sure you
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  Speaker 3: remember every one of them word for word?
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  Speaker 4: Bill? Yeah, I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: And Jim Spark's basic message here, at least in the beginning,
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  Speaker 2: is that aliens have been here on Earth for thousands
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  Speaker 2: and thousands of years. Yeah, and that they've been you know,
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  Speaker 2: following and tracking us the whole time.
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  Speaker 4: He's since before humans evolve, is right? How long?
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  Speaker 2: And he seems to be a proponent of the what
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  Speaker 2: the fuck did they call it?
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  Speaker 3: The ancient aliens thing? Pan spermia?
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  Speaker 4: Oh, pan spermia where.
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  Speaker 2: Aliens come down and like see the planet and like
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  Speaker 2: make the DNA with ours.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, he's he's way into that theory.
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  Speaker 3: He's also a subscriber to what I think people sometimes
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  Speaker 3: call the zoo theory.
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  Speaker 2: Sure that aliens like we are cattle to them, and
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  Speaker 2: they use us for resources and otherwise they don't really
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  Speaker 2: care what happens to us.
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  Speaker 3: But also they need us alive.
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  Speaker 4: So they want to keep the planet running, right like.
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  Speaker 3: You would with a farm, right, And uh maybe I don't.
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  Speaker 4: Know, sure, maybe could be uh yeah, it could be.
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  Speaker 4: Probably Prometheus was actually a documentary. It's it's actually real.
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  Speaker 4: The Xenomorph exists.
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  Speaker 2: So he says early on in this book, he's been
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  Speaker 2: abducted by aliens so many times that lost count. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: which that's a lot, that's a yeah, that's a that's
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  Speaker 2: a whole lot of aliens he's had.
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  Speaker 4: He had numerous adventures with these extraterrestrials.
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  Speaker 3: And they the interactions with them are interesting and yeah,
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  Speaker 3: also really convenient for the story he's telling because he
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  Speaker 3: says they never answer questions, right, which that's disappointing.
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  Speaker 4: It is. I mean, like, look, that's fine. I'm not
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  Speaker 4: necessarily expecting some alien intelligence to like be interested in
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  Speaker 4: answering our unique mortal questions. That's true, but it does
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  Speaker 4: make for kind of an unsatisfying book that is promising
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  Speaker 4: you the answers about extraterrestrials.
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  Speaker 2: What did you think about the abduction stories themselves?
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  Speaker 4: Uh, you know, again, they kind of got repetitive after
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  Speaker 4: a little while. But you know, there's he tells it interestingly, right.
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  Speaker 4: It kind of reminds me of Fire in the Sky
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  Speaker 4: a little bit, some of it. Yeah, where it's they're
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  Speaker 4: taking him up and they're like inspecting him and they're
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  Speaker 4: giving him tests. They they they have the language thing,
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  Speaker 4: which is interesting until I mean, I don't know, man,
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  Speaker 4: I'm seeing some of these alien letters that he's that
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  Speaker 4: he's presenting us, and I'm like, are these alien letters
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  Speaker 4: or are they squiggles? Yeah?
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  Speaker 3: Some of them just look like like the alien A
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  Speaker 3: just looked like an A, right, yeah.
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  Speaker 4: And the alien B. Right, it was the alien B
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  Speaker 4: was a beat a capital B, but without like the
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  Speaker 4: back line, so just like the curves.
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  Speaker 2: The whole time the aliens are teaching him this language
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  Speaker 2: or this writing system, they're also talking to him telepathically, right,
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  Speaker 2: And you can tell that after the first edition of
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  Speaker 2: this book came out, he was inundated with questions from
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  Speaker 2: people being like, why did they need an alphabet if
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  Speaker 2: they could just talk to you telepathically, Because he addresses
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  Speaker 2: that at the end of this book, right, right, answer
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  Speaker 2: is that doing that implanted the framework in him that
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  Speaker 2: would allow him to communicate telepath right.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, It's like the more he does it, the better
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  Speaker 4: he gets at communicating mind to mind. Right.
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  Speaker 3: I like the first abduction story because.
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  Speaker 4: Well, which one, the one that takes place kind of
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  Speaker 4: in media reshea, the.
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  Speaker 2: One that he like starts the book off with it
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  Speaker 2: and then circles back to it.
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  Speaker 4: At the end.
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  Speaker 2: The feature is that the alien in question showed up
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  Speaker 2: wearing like a zoot suit or something.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, he was, like he's specifically described as dressing and
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  Speaker 4: talking like a twenties mobster. Basically, basically, I was just
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  Speaker 4: picturing Edward g. Robinson kind of you know.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, see, and his explanation or his all.
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  Speaker 2: His best attempt to explain this is, well, you know,
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  Speaker 2: these aliens, they hop around.
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  Speaker 3: From time to time, right right, yeah, time.
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  Speaker 2: Travel, and this one probably like the last time he
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  Speaker 2: came to Earth it was forties.
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  Speaker 3: And yeah, he.
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  Speaker 4: Thinks we're still we're still talking like that, even though
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  Speaker 4: we've moved on.
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  Speaker 2: Was pictureing aliens showing up looking like the fawns.
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  Speaker 4: That would have been fun. He should have played with
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  Speaker 4: that more. Yes, I feel like, yeah, I really disliked
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  Speaker 4: that device of starting with some abduction from like nineteen
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  Speaker 4: ninety four or whatever, and then getting to a dramatic
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  Speaker 4: spot where he's like, they opened the door and what
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  Speaker 4: I saw was the truth or something, and then jumping
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  Speaker 4: back to I was born in nineteen sixty three in
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  Speaker 4: Florida and blah, blah, blah, Like, God, shut the fuck up, man,
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  Speaker 4: what the fuck? Just tell me what the truth was.
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  Speaker 4: That's what I'm here for.
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  Speaker 2: And yeah, the abduction stories, there's a point where, all right,
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  Speaker 2: I just passed one of the first illustrations, and this
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  Speaker 2: first abduction story kind of ends with him in this
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  Speaker 2: man dressed as a Chicago mobster, a stroll on the beach. Yes,
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  Speaker 2: they see a light coming up out of the water,
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  Speaker 2: and that's one of the first illustrations we get.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, and yeah, there's no way he didn't draw these himself.
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  Speaker 4: That has to be what it is, right, Like, I
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  Speaker 4: cannot think of another explanation for why these are the
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  Speaker 4: illustrations that you include in your book as like evidence.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and imagine if he did, like farm that workout
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  Speaker 2: to someone else and these are the exs they came.
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  Speaker 4: He's like, he came back like this. He's like, what
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  Speaker 4: the fuck? Man, I could have done this. You guys
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  Speaker 4: wanted professional art.
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  Speaker 3: This is what you think My hair looks like I
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  Speaker 3: ever have a mullet?
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  Speaker 4: What the fuck? And a mustache where the mustache? The
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  Speaker 4: artist is just like, I don't know, you said Florida guy.
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  Speaker 4: So I just kind of drew a Florida guy and
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  Speaker 4: with all these aliens.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's funny to me that so much of the
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  Speaker 2: early part of this book is him being like, all right, well,
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  Speaker 2: I'm getting abducted by aliens a bunch here in Texas,
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  Speaker 2: so what I should probably do is go to North
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  Speaker 2: Carolina for a bit. And it's like, these are these
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  Speaker 2: things are traveling from other dimensions, right humped by you
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  Speaker 2: going to rally U.
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  Speaker 4: It seems like they are for a while at least
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  Speaker 4: they can't figure it out. Yeah, apparently because he talks
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  Speaker 4: about he like he operated a business in Texas that
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  Speaker 4: mostly did business in North Carolina for some Yeah, and
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  Speaker 4: so he was constantly flying from Texas to North Carolina.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know. I would probably just move to where
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  Speaker 4: my you know, company does its business. Yeah. I think
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  Speaker 4: I just moved to North Carolina. Why not. It's got
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  Speaker 4: to be better. Yeah, especially if you're getting abducted by
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  Speaker 4: aliens all the time in Texas. Yeah, getting you in
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  Speaker 4: North Carolina.
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  Speaker 2: I also liked the part where he was trying to
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  Speaker 2: hide from them by checking into motel rooms.
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  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yeah yeah, and he.
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  Speaker 2: Said he checked into one and requested a room with
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  Speaker 2: no windows. I don't think that's real.
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  Speaker 4: I don't think. I don't think that exists. I don't
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  Speaker 4: think you're gonna have a hard time with that one.
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  Speaker 2: That sounds quasi illegal. If I'm being completely honest.
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  Speaker 4: We're goning to give you the dungeon suite.
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  Speaker 2: And he describes these encounters as if there's like a
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  Speaker 2: hierarchy when it comes to these aliens.
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  Speaker 3: There's the workers. And then there's the supervisors.
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  Speaker 2: And the supervisors are bigger and more, like he describes
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  Speaker 2: it as, you can like feel their importance.
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  Speaker 4: Right, They've got like a psychic pressure that they that
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  Speaker 4: they just exude whenever they're around. Right.
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  Speaker 2: And then there's you know the bullshit worker drones, who
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  Speaker 2: he suspects they maybe even like make themselves, like they
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  Speaker 2: just like create those little guys.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, they either are like created or they're like some
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  Speaker 4: sort of stunted sexless drones or something. I don't know,
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  Speaker 4: it's kind of unclear.
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  Speaker 2: And there's two main things that happens to him during
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  Speaker 2: these encounters.
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  Speaker 3: One he is kind of forced to learn this alien alphabet.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but also they sometimes extract semen from him.
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  Speaker 4: Well, yeah, they always got to have a little semen
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  Speaker 4: on hand. Yeah, Aliens love semen.
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  Speaker 3: They're gonna use it to repopulate the earth, you know.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, they're real cumharsen. The aliens they swallow, they're really
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  Speaker 4: they don't just swallow they like they like BOUCACKI all
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  Speaker 4: this stolen seamen all over themselves.
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  Speaker 3: I'm gonna be honest.
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  Speaker 2: A lot of what he describes, I mean, even the
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  Speaker 2: semen extraction to some extent it sounds kind of rad.
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  Speaker 4: He doesn't. Yeah, he talks about he has to constantly
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  Speaker 4: say over and over again. I felt so terrified this
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  Speaker 4: entire time because what he's actually describing doesn't really sound
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  Speaker 4: that bad at all.
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  Speaker 3: It's just it's just aliens being like, all right, so
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  Speaker 3: here's what your letter A looks like. Right, now, here's
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  Speaker 3: what ours looks like. Draws.
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  Speaker 4: It's like, fine, okay, sure that's enough. But he's but
• 19:50
  Speaker 4: he's he you know, he's so rebellious. That's the thing
• 19:54
  Speaker 4: about him. Well, I don't know if you know, it's
• 19:56
  Speaker 4: just a rebel spirit.
• 19:57
  Speaker 3: Well he's Italian.
• 19:59
  Speaker 4: He is Italian, and he don't want to you don't
• 20:01
  Speaker 4: want to get on their bad side.
• 20:02
  Speaker 3: A spicy meatball, Olivia.
• 20:05
  Speaker 4: That's true. He is a spicy meatball.
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: Not only is he mostly just you know, learning an
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: alien alphabet or bone in like a projection of a
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: beautiful woman that's actually.
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: Like a box or whatever.
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: When he does the tests properly, he gets rewarded, like, yeah,
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: the word lust and power comes up and he has
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: to pick one, right, Lust, he gets to just bone
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: whatever fucking projection they put in front of him.
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: Right, they're like, hey, you can move that brick with
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: your head.
• 20:39
  Speaker 4: Do it well? And also even before they give him
• 20:43
  Speaker 4: the lust and Power option, they would whenever he would
• 20:46
  Speaker 4: like trace the letter, they would flood his brain with euphoria,
• 20:50
  Speaker 4: which I don't know, sounds kind of fun. I'd like
• 20:52
  Speaker 4: to do that. I like drugs, you know that would
• 20:57
  Speaker 4: be fun.
• 20:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I would love some euphoria.
• 21:00
  Speaker 4: Great please? Oh no, wait, is Zi Daya involved? I
• 21:03
  Speaker 4: don't know. I don't want any of that.
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: So he says his abduction started in nineteen eighty eight.
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: This book doesn't come out for I think another ten years.
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: I think it comes out around ninety eight.
• 21:17
  Speaker 4: Yeah, around that. Well, this is the second edition that
• 21:19
  Speaker 4: we're reading, though, true, I think it came out like
• 21:22
  Speaker 4: in yeah, the mid nineties, and then this one is
• 21:25
  Speaker 4: a little bit later.
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: And even when he's describing his very first abduction, the
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: one in nineteen eighty eight, yeah, there's a line I highlighted.
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: The one aspect that did bother me was the temporary paralysis.
• 21:38
  Speaker 4: Yeah, did no one.
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: I mean, I guess I don't know how evolved our
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: understanding of sleep paralysis was at this point in history.
• 21:47
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I feel like doctors probably were aware
• 21:51
  Speaker 4: of it, and probably you know it, had a little
• 21:54
  Speaker 4: bit of a broader understanding. But you know, regardless, that
• 21:58
  Speaker 4: would require him to talk to someone about it and
• 22:03
  Speaker 4: take their advice, and neither of those are things that
• 22:07
  Speaker 4: he is inclined to do based on the evidence of
• 22:10
  Speaker 4: this book.
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he certainly doesn't hit up any doctors about this.
• 22:15
  Speaker 4: No, he does hit up multiple people who try to
• 22:20
  Speaker 4: prevent protect his home from demons.
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: I mean, everyone knows you line the outside of your
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: house with eggs, and of course I'm.
• 22:29
  Speaker 4: In Well, that part actually made sense because that is
• 22:33
  Speaker 4: like a Latin American like, you know, evil spirit protection
• 22:38
  Speaker 4: type thing and so like. But it was funny that
• 22:42
  Speaker 4: like his neighbor he tells he tells his neighbor about
• 22:45
  Speaker 4: the aliens, and his neighbor's like, okay, I understand. And
• 22:47
  Speaker 4: then he finds him like putting eggs around his house
• 22:50
  Speaker 4: and saying he's gonna protect them from demons. And then
• 22:53
  Speaker 4: like his wife calls in some experts or something and
• 22:57
  Speaker 4: comes up. They come over and the the church guy, Yeah,
• 23:01
  Speaker 4: he goes to the pastor, and the pastor's like, I
• 23:04
  Speaker 4: know exactly who to talk to about this, and he
• 23:08
  Speaker 4: brings him over and it's some fucking demon guy. He's like, ga,
• 23:10
  Speaker 4: there's some demons all over this place.
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: He brings holy water and shit, right, what if it worked?
• 23:16
  Speaker 4: You never know, maybe that was demons. His wife, I
• 23:22
  Speaker 4: would divorce him if I read this book. If I
• 23:25
  Speaker 4: was her, like, yeah, her role in this book is
• 23:30
  Speaker 4: not positive, I would say no.
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: He he really, at least the way he paints it.
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: He does not get a ton of support from that wife,
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: even though she also like cops to having been visited
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: by aliens.
• 23:46
  Speaker 4: Yeah before before the preacher comes over to the house,
• 23:49
  Speaker 4: She's like, yeah, no, I've told I've been I've been
• 23:52
  Speaker 4: visited every day. This just happens to him multiple times.
• 23:55
  Speaker 4: Where after a while of him talking about this, someone
• 23:59
  Speaker 4: is like, oh, yeah, I've experienced that all the time,
• 24:03
  Speaker 4: but I just don't care, Like it just doesn't bother me.
• 24:05
  Speaker 4: His mom is the same way.
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Like I wonder if they're just like, fuck, if
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: I agree with him, will he stop talking about this?
• 24:14
  Speaker 4: That might be it? That actually might be it. She's like, yeah, no,
• 24:17
  Speaker 4: I mean I see it all the time. I just
• 24:19
  Speaker 4: don't want to talk about it. It's okay. And then
• 24:21
  Speaker 4: the preacher and the demon guy come over and she's like,
• 24:25
  Speaker 4: he is out of control. He's been drinking so much.
• 24:28
  Speaker 4: I don't know what he's talking about. I'm like, holy shit,
• 24:32
  Speaker 4: this this is not a flattering portrayal of your fucking wife.
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, she definitely takes a turn. And I also feel
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: like that's our first indication that he was drinking a
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: whole bunch.
• 24:45
  Speaker 5: Yes, I don't fee he he says he wasn't like
• 24:49
  Speaker 5: at the time at least, but he did start drinking heavily.
• 24:52
  Speaker 5: But he's not an alcoholic, No, he just is you know,
• 24:56
  Speaker 5: he's just having a hard time.
• 24:57
  Speaker 4: Man. He just needs to let off little steam.
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: I mean, what would you do if you're constantly getting
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: abducted by aliens and forcing to play fun alphabet games
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: that end with you having sex with anyone in history
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: that you've ever wanted.
• 25:12
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think first what I would do is, you know,
• 25:15
  Speaker 4: just kind of enjoy that for a while exactly, and
• 25:19
  Speaker 4: then I would probably start getting high all the time.
• 25:23
  Speaker 4: But I didn't get high all the time anyway.
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: So time anyway, Yeah, because I'm hoping it opens a portal.
• 25:29
  Speaker 3: For me to talk to aliens. I think that's the
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: wrong drug.
• 25:32
  Speaker 4: But if it turns out that that happens that if
• 25:37
  Speaker 4: you've been smoking weed long enough and consistently enough, that
• 25:41
  Speaker 4: is what the portle opens.
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: That is what they say about DMT, that you talk
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: to the aliens.
• 25:48
  Speaker 4: Well, sure, but that's a little bit more of a
• 25:50
  Speaker 4: metaphorical to talk to the higher power experience.
• 25:54
  Speaker 3: So he's kind of an asshole to these aliens.
• 25:58
  Speaker 4: He's kind of an asshole period.
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: There's one say, he keeps asking them who they are,
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: and they finally say, well, we're star people, and.
• 26:07
  Speaker 4: He's like, first they say we're God, oh right, right.
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: And then yeah, I like his response to that. He's like,
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: all right, if you're God, let me choke you, and
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: if I can hurt you, then you're not God, right,
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: And they're like shit, And so they say they're star
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: people and he's like, uh, humans are people.
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: You can't be people. Try again, damn dude.
• 26:36
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's so funny, Like come on, man, we've we've
• 26:40
  Speaker 4: been having a broader definition for that word for a while,
• 26:43
  Speaker 4: Like it's you know. Although he does say that he
• 26:46
  Speaker 4: was not a science fiction fan before all this happened.
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and he also makes it makes a big point
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: out of mentioning that he didn't read any other like
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: alien abduction stories, right or anything before this, because he
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: doesn't want to have his memories tainted by the memories
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: of someone else.
• 27:08
  Speaker 4: Right. But he does name drop Whitley Streiber. Yeah, and
• 27:13
  Speaker 4: which have you read? Have you read Communion? Maybe that's
• 27:16
  Speaker 4: why I'm just kind of hard on this book, because
• 27:18
  Speaker 4: it's just kind of like shittier Communion. I have not
• 27:21
  Speaker 4: read Communion. Communion is a book that I think is
• 27:25
  Speaker 4: I mean, at least in my memory. I haven't read
• 27:26
  Speaker 4: it since I was younger, but like I remember it
• 27:28
  Speaker 4: being actually well written, yeah, and pretty engaging.
• 27:32
  Speaker 3: I mean, maybe we'll do that next.
• 27:35
  Speaker 4: Sure, it's longer. I don't like that it's a longer book. Now,
• 27:39
  Speaker 4: this book was quite short.
• 27:41
  Speaker 3: This book is an easy read. I read it this
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: morning essentially.
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: Like guys, started at like eight and finished around one
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: point thirty and now here we are recording.
• 27:53
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I read it in bits at work.
• 27:56
  Speaker 3: He's got that famous Arthur C. Clark quote in here.
• 28:00
  Speaker 4: Yeah. He brings that up any sufficiently.
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: Advanced technology will appear indistinguishable from magic. Yeah, because he
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: does talk a lot about alien technology in this that's true.
• 28:13
  Speaker 3: And I do kind of agree.
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: I don't know if he makes this exact point, but
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: when people are debating aliens and you know, extraterrestrial beings
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: making their way here, and they're like, well, technology doesn't
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: it would take millions of years. You have to take
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: into account that if they're coming here, they have technology
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: we don't.
• 28:35
  Speaker 4: Yeah. I feel like, if anything, the supposed evidence for
• 28:41
  Speaker 4: aliens kind of under I've talked about this before, Like,
• 28:45
  Speaker 4: you know, we're talking about the Roswell UFO crashing because
• 28:49
  Speaker 4: it got struck by lightning, and I'm like, I just
• 28:52
  Speaker 4: don't think that of a craft that was capable of
• 28:57
  Speaker 4: traveling the distances that it would have had to travel
• 29:01
  Speaker 4: through space, I just don't think that lightning is going
• 29:05
  Speaker 4: to be its downfall.
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: Well, on the one hand, I definitely agree with that,
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: and I have also said a whole lot like why
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: would we want technology that crashes all the time. But
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: it seems like the way he describes the alien technology
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: in this is that, let's say, if you're trying to
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: get here from space, it's not so much about the
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: craft you're traveling in as it is like what you
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: know about space and sure like wormholes and shit, sure,
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: like it would have to be something like that. Like
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: he describes these things as being able to like exist
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: in multiple dimensions, Well.
• 29:49
  Speaker 4: Yeah, he could. He goes back and forth. I think
• 29:52
  Speaker 4: he finally lands on them being from another dimension, but
• 29:55
  Speaker 4: he goes back and forth over whether they're extraterrestrial a
• 30:00
  Speaker 4: millions or extra dimensional of beings of some kind, right,
• 30:05
  Speaker 4: and those are those definitely have very different different implications
• 30:10
  Speaker 4: as far as the technology they would need. And yeah,
• 30:14
  Speaker 4: I know.
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: He talks about them being able to like make anything
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: invisible that they want, right, he talks about the field,
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: and yes, as it might be like an electromagnetic field.
• 30:26
  Speaker 4: But he it's kind of the catch all for him.
• 30:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: He his claim is that these aliens he interacts with
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: are able to access this field that allows them to
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: do all sorts of crazy shit, which I want.
• 30:41
  Speaker 4: I want access to that. Yeah, the field, it makes
• 30:44
  Speaker 4: things invisible, It makes you able to pass through solid
• 30:49
  Speaker 4: objects but still leave footprints.
• 30:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that was confusing.
• 30:56
  Speaker 4: Because he talks about how he what part of his
• 31:00
  Speaker 4: evidence not pictured.
• 31:02
  Speaker 3: Only an illustration.
• 31:03
  Speaker 4: Well, of course there's an illustration, but are like dirty
• 31:08
  Speaker 4: footprints going to a wall towards his garden and there's
• 31:13
  Speaker 4: a footprint that is half on his carpet and half
• 31:18
  Speaker 4: in the dirt of the garden. And I'm like, but
• 31:22
  Speaker 4: you're walking through the wall, then why are you able
• 31:25
  Speaker 4: to leave any sort of physical trace there? It feels like,
• 31:29
  Speaker 4: if anything, there should be no footprint where you're walking
• 31:32
  Speaker 4: through the wall because you're not making contact with anything.
• 31:36
  Speaker 3: That is a very good point.
• 31:38
  Speaker 4: But maybe maybe it's so precise that it is just
• 31:43
  Speaker 4: affecting your interaction with the wall and not anything else.
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: And I don't know, Maybe you can answer this question
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: for me, because I'm not sure.
• 31:54
  Speaker 3: Did we have cameras in nineteen eighty eight.
• 31:57
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I could have taken a picture of those because
• 32:00
  Speaker 4: Prince get someone.
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: This is where the demon guy shows up, because he
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: goes he get demon guy and is like, look at
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: these fucking footprints, and guys like I know just what
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: to do. And that's when he shows up with eggs
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: and holywater.
• 32:14
  Speaker 4: So like, where's the pictures?
• 32:16
  Speaker 3: It's yea, the same problem I have with Ancient Aliens
• 32:20
  Speaker 3: and Chariots of the Gods, where there's so many parts
• 32:24
  Speaker 3: in that book where Eric von Danikin is like, you
• 32:27
  Speaker 3: won't believe what we saw in this chamber, and it's like,
• 32:31
  Speaker 3: I believe it because you didn't.
• 32:33
  Speaker 4: Take a picture. The alien evidence is here too, it's
• 32:36
  Speaker 4: just out of frame laughing, you know, it's that that
• 32:39
  Speaker 4: Nathan for you picture.
• 32:41
  Speaker 3: Their number system is based on the six oli of course.
• 32:45
  Speaker 4: Yeah, but it's not exodecimal. It's some other It's just
• 32:49
  Speaker 4: they count to six and then they start over from
• 32:53
  Speaker 4: the beginning. It doesn't really make sense. I don't think
• 32:56
  Speaker 4: he quite understands how base numerals work because they don't
• 33:00
  Speaker 4: don't seem to understand the concept of a number greater
• 33:03
  Speaker 4: than six, which I'm gonna say that's gonna fuck up
• 33:07
  Speaker 4: your ability to like travel great distances across the space
• 33:12
  Speaker 4: because it's a lot higher than six. That's true.
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: I did like the part where he's doing all these
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: his his lessons, and the way it works is they'll
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: flash like a word on the screen, like there's like
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: a screen system. There's a screen in front of him,
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: and like a tablet that he can like.
• 33:32
  Speaker 4: Yeah, he's got some sort of on Yeah, like an
• 33:35
  Speaker 4: entertainment table from like a restaurant.
• 33:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah, like one of those miss pac Man tables.
• 33:39
  Speaker 4: That exactly, that's exactly one hundred percent what I was
• 33:44
  Speaker 4: picturing when he's talking about this.
• 33:47
  Speaker 3: And along those same lines. At one point, when he's
• 33:50
  Speaker 3: doing all of these fun games the aliens go compete,
• 33:55
  Speaker 3: He's like, compete, what do you mean? And he looks
• 33:57
  Speaker 3: over and his wife is nice to an. Yes, he's
• 34:00
  Speaker 3: also doing the letters. I like that part.
• 34:03
  Speaker 4: That was fun. It was fun, and that's what leads
• 34:06
  Speaker 4: to him confronting her, And yeah, it was. It was interesting.
• 34:10
  Speaker 4: I was not expecting the wife to like come into
• 34:13
  Speaker 4: it in that way. And then he like kidnaps her
• 34:16
  Speaker 4: in the middle of the nights because he doesn't want
• 34:20
  Speaker 4: to go to the alien school.
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: And they when they talk about it, she calls them
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: her helpers from heaven.
• 34:26
  Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, they they're like angels, They're.
• 34:29
  Speaker 3: Right, which is also what his mom kind of implies, right.
• 34:34
  Speaker 4: They both seem to have a much chiller relationship to
• 34:37
  Speaker 4: the aliens than he does.
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: Right, despite his mom also being Italian crazy right exactly.
• 34:42
  Speaker 4: You'd think his mom would have that famous Italian spunk.
• 34:47
  Speaker 4: Maybe maybe he's just Italian on his dad's side.
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: So Yeah, he talks to his wife about it, and
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: a pastor ends up coming over and he's like, it's demons, dude,
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: it's just deepes. And that's when, Yeah, his wife really
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: lets him down. She comes in the room and is like,
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: I don't know what this crazy bitch is talking about.
• 35:06
  Speaker 4: And that's what he said. That's what she says. It's weird. Yeah,
• 35:09
  Speaker 4: it's nuts.
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: So one of the things, yeah, you mentioned him, like
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: kidnapping his wife in the middle of the night. At
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: one point, he starts trying to like run away when
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: these things happen, and it's like, you got to know,
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: we're playing a different game than that. This isn't a
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: fucking hurricane, Like, you can't just go somewhere else and
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: take shelter.
• 35:31
  Speaker 4: These are aliens, dude, doesn't work.
• 35:35
  Speaker 3: Aliens that he's already acknowledged have been following his family
• 35:39
  Speaker 3: bloodline for like a thousand years, which anytime a conspiracy
• 35:43
  Speaker 3: book says the word bloodline, I'm like, oh.
• 35:47
  Speaker 4: Weird, yeah, no. That is my favorite part of the
• 35:51
  Speaker 4: book is when they show him like images of himself
• 36:00
  Speaker 4: in the place of his ancestors, like a quantum leap
• 36:02
  Speaker 4: type thing, yes and so like, and then we get
• 36:06
  Speaker 4: illustrations from all of these different time periods of like, oh,
• 36:10
  Speaker 4: here's here's mulleted Jim Sparks in the forties. Here's mulded
• 36:15
  Speaker 4: Jim Sparks in the Renaissance era. He's wearing a floppy hat,
• 36:19
  Speaker 4: but he still has a mullet and the mustache. I
• 36:22
  Speaker 4: got that mullet. Yeah. And then it goes all the way.
• 36:25
  Speaker 4: It doesn't go back thousands, it goes all the way
• 36:27
  Speaker 4: back again to before. Like it shows him like some
• 36:30
  Speaker 4: monkeys and they're like, these are your ancestors.
• 36:35
  Speaker 3: And he's like bullshit.
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: It's like, dude, like if they can even show you that,
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: just believe it, right, Like my question, you.
• 36:44
  Speaker 4: Know, I don't know, man, how is that so difficult
• 36:46
  Speaker 4: to believe? Why else are they picking your hay seed ass?
• 36:49
  Speaker 4: Like it doesn't make any sense otherwise they didn't know
• 36:52
  Speaker 4: that you would turn into the tip stereotypical Florida man.
• 36:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: One of their challenges. He shows up and there's an
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: ant on.
• 37:01
  Speaker 4: The table, yes, oh yeah yeah, And they.
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: Show him a symbol and at first it just says
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: kill and he's like kill what And they're like, dude,
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: we obviously mean the fucking ant on the table in
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: front of you, and they're like, just draw the symbol
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: to kill the ant please, right, and he makes this
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: like bold moral stance of like I.
• 37:22
  Speaker 4: Will not kill for you, sir.
• 37:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah, like I would have just fucking slapped it with
• 37:28
  Speaker 3: my hand.
• 37:29
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's kind of.
• 37:32
  Speaker 3: Draw a symbol, like, oh.
• 37:34
  Speaker 4: We don't need here on earth, we don't need symbols
• 37:37
  Speaker 4: to kill ants.
• 37:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah, who's the evolved one?
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: He does talk having a big, stupid mediaass hands that
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: they probably can't do anything with.
• 37:47
  Speaker 3: Right, He's like, but it's fine.
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: All of their all of their equipment runs on telepathy.
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: It's like who built it, right then? What did their
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: hands look like?
• 37:59
  Speaker 3: But they were just asking him with the ant thing
• 38:01
  Speaker 3: to make sure he's not a killer.
• 38:03
  Speaker 4: Right right, Like you aren't? Well, okay, sure, yeah, here's.
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: How you improve this book. He kills one of them
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: right in that moment. It's like, oh no, h snap
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: a neck movie.
• 38:17
  Speaker 4: Let's how you know it happened, because that would have
• 38:19
  Speaker 4: been a better story choice.
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And so he starts getting like people, he's trying
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: to talk to people about this and no one's really
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: buying it. His wife is like sort of supportive, but
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: also it seems like they just sort of stopped living
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: together eventually.
• 38:36
  Speaker 4: Yeah, he's spent a lot of his time in North Carolina. Yeah,
• 38:40
  Speaker 4: now he talks about it. He doesn't get into it,
• 38:42
  Speaker 4: but he talks about later how like they kind of
• 38:45
  Speaker 4: become estranged and then reconnect later on.
• 38:49
  Speaker 3: Now, I had a really, uh problematic point in this book.
• 38:56
  Speaker 3: Not problematic, but.
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: There's that part where he goes go to a meeting
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: with a bunch of other people who have all been abducted,
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: and for some reason my version of the book, it
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: just like it's got to be like a glitch or something.
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: But it's just like it skips all past, like he's
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: just all of a sudden at the meeting.
• 39:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah, what meeting are we talking about?
• 39:21
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I've ran into a couple of things like that.
• 39:24
  Speaker 4: I do think it is it's either a really unprofessional
• 39:30
  Speaker 4: editing job by the publisher there's or it's some sort
• 39:35
  Speaker 4: of ebook printing error. Maybe Yeah, But again, I don't
• 39:40
  Speaker 4: have a physical copy to like compare it to, and
• 39:43
  Speaker 4: I'm not going to seek it out because it's thirty dollars.
• 39:46
  Speaker 4: And if I'm going to spend thirty dollars on a book,
• 39:48
  Speaker 4: it's going to be about like some old boat or
• 39:51
  Speaker 4: or like a monster or something like it's not going
• 39:54
  Speaker 4: to be about this.
• 39:56
  Speaker 3: And the thing about that meeting, it doesn't it doesn't matter,
• 40:00
  Speaker 3: Like he doesn't he doesn't really talk about it. He
• 40:02
  Speaker 3: just like talks about, Yeah, I found a meeting where
• 40:05
  Speaker 3: I could talk to other people who've been.
• 40:06
  Speaker 4: Abducted, right, it's like move on or something.
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And so he talks about the letter H being
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: his big problem letter.
• 40:15
  Speaker 4: Ye can't. He can't even reproduce it in the book.
• 40:18
  Speaker 4: It's so tough.
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: This is the point in the book where he just
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: straight up asked the aliens, so like, if if you
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: can just like travel the universe like this, can you
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: just take me with you? And they're like yeah, yeah,
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: And he goes, will you bring me back? And they're
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: like no, no, of course not.
• 40:39
  Speaker 3: You just come with us.
• 40:40
  Speaker 4: And you know what I would say, I would say, yes, yes,
• 40:45
  Speaker 4: please me away from here.
• 40:47
  Speaker 3: I think that has happened because Jim Sparks is gone.
• 40:51
  Speaker 4: If it has, then God bless him.
• 40:53
  Speaker 3: His website no longer exists. He is not a voice
• 40:57
  Speaker 3: in the UFO community anymore because a lot of what
• 41:00
  Speaker 3: he talks about is the same shit Stephen Greer is
• 41:03
  Speaker 3: talking about now.
• 41:05
  Speaker 4: Yeah, but from a very wayless exploitative angle. I prefer
• 41:11
  Speaker 4: Jim Sparks's version to Griers.
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: Oh for sure. But all I'm getting at is where
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: is Jim Sparks. Sure, he for the longest time was
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: like the leading voice when it comes to the idea
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: that the government is suppressing alien technology that could fix
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: global warming. Like it seems like that message started with him.
• 41:33
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: Now, like if he died, I can't find anything about
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: him dying. Like, no, he just around twenty thirteen just
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: falls off the face of the internet.
• 41:44
  Speaker 4: Have you searched for and I haven't, So I can't
• 41:47
  Speaker 4: corroborate Vincent whatever battalion his name is.
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: I did that right before we were Yeah, and there's
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: some out there, but number like Jim Sparks.
• 41:59
  Speaker 4: No, no, well it's and mustaches. Can't get over how
• 42:04
  Speaker 4: good these pictures are. They are the absolute highlight of
• 42:08
  Speaker 4: the book. Yeah, every single one is awesome.
• 42:11
  Speaker 3: It's worth it for the illustrations'.
• 42:14
  Speaker 4: They're all so we should probably we should like scan
• 42:17
  Speaker 4: some and include him in the episode notes or something,
• 42:20
  Speaker 4: so people, because like you really, we can't convey the
• 42:25
  Speaker 4: energy of these illustrations. They're so good.
• 42:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it looks like King of the Hill a little bit.
• 42:34
  Speaker 4: A little bit, a little bit. It's kind of like
• 42:38
  Speaker 4: The Gang meets Aliens and King of the Hill. It's
• 42:40
  Speaker 4: so good, I tell you.
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: My absolute favorite part of this book is the uh
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: chapter called the Gift where they bring him in a
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: room and to like thank him for his service or whatever.
• 42:55
  Speaker 3: They're like, hey, right, we got you a gift.
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: Here it is, and it's just this black box right
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: that at first he can't figure out how to open.
• 43:04
  Speaker 4: No, but it stinks, it smells bad.
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: Well, he finally gets it open, right, and he's like,
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: the smell was terrible. There were these like tubes full
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: of liquid in there, and then there was this like thick,
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: dark liquid at the bottom that yeah, really stunk. And
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: I asked him what it was and they were like, oh,
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: we pulled that out of your lungs. You're welcome, and
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: he said he was a smoker at the time.
• 43:30
  Speaker 4: That's fun. I like that. That's a fun thing for
• 43:33
  Speaker 4: the Aliens to do with their like human examination technologies,
• 43:37
  Speaker 4: you know.
• 43:38
  Speaker 3: But it's also kind of a conflict because he also
• 43:43
  Speaker 3: kind of makes them out to be like not dumb,
• 43:46
  Speaker 3: but just like not understanding of how like sympathy and
• 43:51
  Speaker 3: compassion work, right, but also they're like, oh, well, we're
• 43:55
  Speaker 3: going to fix your lung cancer.
• 43:56
  Speaker 4: Though well I yeah, well, I mean, but again, I
• 43:59
  Speaker 4: don't think it's I think it's not sympathy or compassion
• 44:03
  Speaker 4: in that moment. It's a gift, like they're saying, like
• 44:06
  Speaker 4: it's like, well, we've been doing this for so long,
• 44:09
  Speaker 4: we might as well give you a little something back.
• 44:11
  Speaker 4: So here, here's all of the tar out of your
• 44:13
  Speaker 4: lungs that you've been pumping into there. We probably should
• 44:17
  Speaker 4: stop doing that.
• 44:18
  Speaker 3: I love all of the seamen extraction scenes so weird.
• 44:23
  Speaker 4: That's just one of those things that every alien abduction
• 44:27
  Speaker 4: story is kind of obsessed with.
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: But also like they can do all of this advanced shit,
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: but they still can't get semen out of a person
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: without jerking on.
• 44:37
  Speaker 4: Well they can, but they like to do it. They can,
• 44:41
  Speaker 4: they talk about it. We can do it artificially, or
• 44:44
  Speaker 4: we can do it naturally, he said, they say, and
• 44:48
  Speaker 4: naturally means you fuck this like portapussy that has a
• 44:55
  Speaker 4: hologram of a little of a naked lady on it,
• 44:58
  Speaker 4: and uh, that's natural. And then artificial is they've got
• 45:02
  Speaker 4: the wand but.
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: It does prompt Jim at one point to shout, this
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: is not natural, which is fair.
• 45:12
  Speaker 4: I would say that's fair. I'd say natural was the
• 45:15
  Speaker 4: wrong word choice for them, probably probably, Uh yeah, the
• 45:20
  Speaker 4: rod like electrically stimulates his prostate or something.
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's just like Jesus in five seconds exactly.
• 45:29
  Speaker 4: God, so fucking weird.
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: So I also love the part where whenever he's being unruly,
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: the aliens will sometimes just tri morphing into cops.
• 45:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah, like that seems.
• 45:42
  Speaker 4: Like police or like military officers and stuff.
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: Because they're like, well, these idiots respect cops.
• 45:49
  Speaker 4: Right, these are the authority figures on this planet.
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: If we turn into cops who he's going to be
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: afraid will arrest him. That's yeah, this man from bed
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: and taking him on.
• 45:59
  Speaker 4: A space ship. Yeah, but he doesn't want to go
• 46:01
  Speaker 4: to rest. That's nothing compared to American prison.
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's nothing. He wants to get a ticket over,
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: that's for sure. So he keeps asking them at one
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: point like why me, Why me? Right, they're not answering him,
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: they're not answering him, and eventually they're like, all right,
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: ask your question the way we taught you, like write
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: it in our symbols and then yes, And so he
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: finally does that, and they answer him by way of
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: showing him something you already described. They show him all
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: these scenes throughout history, right, and there are people who
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: look just like him in each of these scenes. One
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: of them it's World War two and he's as like,
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: so that's a bad look.
• 46:49
  Speaker 4: That was that was a very very funny The first
• 46:51
  Speaker 4: thing he sees is him hanging out with a bunch
• 46:53
  Speaker 4: of Nazis. I'm like, okay, buddy, I probably would have
• 46:57
  Speaker 4: left this part of the story out.
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And what's that say about the Aliens? Like, I'm
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: always that's that's that's long been a question of mine,
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: Like do the Aliens agree with the Nazis? Because it does,
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: Like I hear so many stories about the Nazis having
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: alien technology. That was like sure to them, it's like,
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: I got aliens hate Jews to own.
• 47:20
  Speaker 4: Yeah, Aliens, they're white supremacists. They're they're the whites of
• 47:24
  Speaker 4: their species.
• 47:26
  Speaker 3: Could be. But also, this doesn't explain why they picked him.
• 47:30
  Speaker 3: They just show him a bunch of his ancestors throughout history.
• 47:34
  Speaker 4: Well, it's I think the point is, I mean, I'm
• 47:36
  Speaker 4: giving this guy so much benefit of the doubt, but whatever.
• 47:40
  Speaker 4: I think the point of that sequence is we didn't
• 47:43
  Speaker 4: pick you, We picked this monkey, and you are the
• 47:47
  Speaker 4: latest version right of this monkey. I think that's literally it.
• 47:51
  Speaker 4: I think it's just you know, we we got here
• 47:55
  Speaker 4: and you guys were hanging out in the savannah and
• 47:58
  Speaker 4: we were like, we'll tag bag this monkey, and then
• 48:02
  Speaker 4: over the millennia it evolved into you. Jim sparks, to.
• 48:07
  Speaker 3: Which he says, bullshit. You guys were trying to tell
• 48:10
  Speaker 3: me that you had something to do with human evolution,
• 48:13
  Speaker 3: and yeah, that's what they're trying to say.
• 48:15
  Speaker 4: And yeah, basically, I don't know, Like I said, like
• 48:18
  Speaker 4: a lot of these they do start to blend into
• 48:21
  Speaker 4: each other. I kind of. I know, he meets his
• 48:26
  Speaker 4: his weird fake daughter at one point.
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but before that, at the end of this encounter
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: where they show Jim that he was a fascist during
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: World War Two at the end and I found this
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: part weird just because this doesn't sound like how Aliens
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: would talk. But they tell him we've been around for
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: a while, right this. I don't think Aliens would say, eh,
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: you know, we've been here for a while a little bit, right, Like, well.
• 48:54
  Speaker 4: Maybe that's just how his brain is interpreting their telepathic signals.
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: We've been working on your personal family line. We know you, well,
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: humans are ours.
• 49:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah, sure, I don't like that.
• 49:06
  Speaker 4: Yeah, they're not very tactful, these aliens.
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: And yeah, it's around chapter twelve where he starts talking
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: about drinking as much as he was, but then he
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: says he sobered up and quit drinking, but damn a
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: lot of that happened while he was really.
• 49:21
  Speaker 3: Hitting the bottle.
• 49:22
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, so yeah, I just don't think we can, like,
• 49:26
  Speaker 4: I don't know that we can. We'll have the time
• 49:28
  Speaker 4: to break down every single thing that happened, because there
• 49:31
  Speaker 4: is a there's like, there's just a bunch of very
• 49:34
  Speaker 4: similar abduction incidents happened that he describes over and over again.
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: Not just that, but there's a point where he's like,
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: well there were more abductions, but I'm not going to
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: bore you with the details. And then it's like ten
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: more chapters that are just more stories about him being
• 49:51
  Speaker 2: abducted by an.
• 49:52
  Speaker 4: Ons, and it never they never like get back to
• 49:56
  Speaker 4: the same initial like you are as shocked as your
• 50:00
  Speaker 4: going to be by this story, by the first story,
• 50:02
  Speaker 4: you know. Yeah, And it's kind of diminishing returns with
• 50:06
  Speaker 4: every other one.
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: I also, I am really suspicious whenever a book like
• 50:12
  Speaker 2: this or a documentary talks about being visited by the
• 50:16
  Speaker 2: government and being three yes by.
• 50:19
  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, we haven't talked about the men in Black
• 50:21
  Speaker 4: at all.
• 50:21
  Speaker 2: Because there's yeah, there's a pair of men in black,
• 50:24
  Speaker 2: one of them who drives a white van, which that
• 50:26
  Speaker 2: was interesting, but they basically show up and they're like, Jim,
• 50:31
  Speaker 2: if that is your real name, Uh, you got to
• 50:34
  Speaker 2: stop talking about this stuff the way you are, or
• 50:36
  Speaker 2: you know, yeah.
• 50:37
  Speaker 3: We'll fucking kill you.
• 50:39
  Speaker 4: And now here this is a book, right, he's writing
• 50:42
  Speaker 4: the book. And also like at that point that he's
• 50:45
  Speaker 4: getting followed by the men in Black, he's talked to
• 50:48
  Speaker 4: like three people, none of whom believed him. So I
• 50:52
  Speaker 4: just don't know why he is now considered such a
• 50:56
  Speaker 4: threat to the government or whoever the men in Black
• 50:59
  Speaker 4: are that are gonna seek him out about it. I
• 51:02
  Speaker 4: just don't like, you're kind of making yourself a little
• 51:04
  Speaker 4: too important there, Jim. Yeah.
• 51:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah, at that point, they really didn't have any reason
• 51:11
  Speaker 3: to track Jimp down.
• 51:13
  Speaker 4: No, like unless they're just literally tracking everybody, in which
• 51:16
  Speaker 4: case that's a lot of manpower. Hey, I like that.
• 51:21
  Speaker 3: He had a little graduation ceremony from from me.
• 51:23
  Speaker 5: Oh yeah, yeah, Like they gave him a cat like
• 51:28
  Speaker 5: a cap.
• 51:29
  Speaker 3: With a right a little tassels on it.
• 51:30
  Speaker 4: They all have like noise makers.
• 51:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there's this is the quote. The abductions continued. I
• 51:37
  Speaker 2: won't bore you. They got to be routine.
• 51:40
  Speaker 3: But around this time something else happened of note, And
• 51:42
  Speaker 3: I'm pretty sure that something else is also like another alien.
• 51:45
  Speaker 4: It's another production or it's like the Men in Black
• 51:47
  Speaker 4: following him.
• 51:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah, there's the scene where he sees the phoenix.
• 51:51
  Speaker 4: Sure, there's a scene speaking of the Men in Black
• 51:53
  Speaker 4: where he goes to the FBI and then he like
• 51:58
  Speaker 4: he talks to a guy from the FBI who's like, yeah,
• 52:00
  Speaker 4: you know, we'll we'll look into it whatever. And then
• 52:03
  Speaker 4: as he walks out, they see the Men in Black
• 52:07
  Speaker 4: guys in their car and the FBI guy like waves
• 52:11
  Speaker 4: to him.
• 52:14
  Speaker 3: And was Jim in that moment not like oh hey
• 52:17
  Speaker 3: who are they?
• 52:18
  Speaker 4: Like? I know he was too stunned to ask a
• 52:21
  Speaker 4: question and he just knew that he was going to
• 52:25
  Speaker 4: be ignored more. But yeah that you show him a phoenix,
• 52:29
  Speaker 4: they show him his fake daughter.
• 52:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm at the illustration of his daughter right now.
• 52:35
  Speaker 4: And oh yeah, that's a weird one.
• 52:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah, she's a fucking weirdo. I don't like it.
• 52:39
  Speaker 4: So he's a fucking freak. I would not claim that
• 52:41
  Speaker 4: as my child's.
• 52:43
  Speaker 3: Oh wait, maybe he didn't do these illustrations, because this
• 52:45
  Speaker 3: one is signed. It says Galante at the bottom.
• 52:48
  Speaker 4: WHOA, I didn't notice that.
• 52:51
  Speaker 2: And we know that's not her name because the caption
• 52:54
  Speaker 2: under it is my nameless daughter.
• 52:57
  Speaker 4: Right, yeah, so.
• 52:59
  Speaker 3: Galante, this is a Galante original.
• 53:04
  Speaker 4: I like it. Okay, Well, if he paid money for these,
• 53:08
  Speaker 4: then he got ripped off as much as I like them.
• 53:13
  Speaker 2: And so you mentioned that this book gets a little repetitive. Yes,
• 53:17
  Speaker 2: it definitely starts repetitive, like he really drags out those
• 53:22
  Speaker 2: alien encounters, and then he gets to the part where
• 53:27
  Speaker 2: he really gets to his message and the sure alien
• 53:32
  Speaker 2: message for the human race.
• 53:34
  Speaker 4: I mean, it's basically in the final chapters of the book,
• 53:37
  Speaker 4: because the last couple chapters are all other people talking
• 53:41
  Speaker 4: about how great Jim Sparks is.
• 53:43
  Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, there's a there's a crazy ass like mass
• 53:47
  Speaker 2: abduction thing that happens.
• 53:49
  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, that was weird.
• 53:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, where he's like put in charge of calming everyone
• 53:53
  Speaker 2: else down, like the aliens are like recruiting him as help.
• 53:58
  Speaker 4: Now yeah, again, I don't know why he's the one
• 54:02
  Speaker 4: task with all this with his mullet, but well he's
• 54:06
  Speaker 4: just either yeah, that's true. That is true.
• 54:09
  Speaker 2: And it's around the time of that mass abduction where
• 54:12
  Speaker 2: he gets to the alien message for Earth, which is
• 54:17
  Speaker 2: you are killing your planet.
• 54:18
  Speaker 3: Your planet is dying.
• 54:20
  Speaker 4: Hey, stop it, and like facts that's true.
• 54:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but I still don't there's a lot of this
• 54:29
  Speaker 2: that just doesn't add up for me, especially the time
• 54:33
  Speaker 2: travel part, because he near the end of this book
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: starts really beating us over the head with how important
• 54:42
  Speaker 2: it is to take better care of the environment or
• 54:45
  Speaker 2: the world is going to essentially end. But then he's
• 54:48
  Speaker 2: also like, you know, we just have waves and waves
• 54:51
  Speaker 2: of people from like thirty thousand years in the future
• 54:53
  Speaker 2: coming back and visiting us, and it's like, so we
• 54:57
  Speaker 2: figure it out.
• 54:57
  Speaker 4: Then, is that what you're doing at Yeah.
• 55:00
  Speaker 3: Clearly humanity did it. Yeah, I'm traveler's coming back.
• 55:05
  Speaker 4: Thirty thousand years is quite far in the future. Yeah,
• 55:09
  Speaker 4: if it's if that is still before the climate catastrophe
• 55:13
  Speaker 4: is going to destroy us because we are bad to
• 55:16
  Speaker 4: our planet. Then I feel like that's actually a pretty
• 55:18
  Speaker 4: good run and we could probably figure things out by then.
• 55:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's not bad. That is not bad at all.
• 55:25
  Speaker 2: And yeah, that that's the point where this book really
• 55:30
  Speaker 2: started to kind of drag for me, because every chapter
• 55:34
  Speaker 2: at the end is just some variation of him being like,
• 55:38
  Speaker 2: we have to save the planet, right, the only responsible
• 55:41
  Speaker 2: thing you can do is start buying land in the
• 55:43
  Speaker 2: Amazon rainforest.
• 55:45
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it feels like Jim Sparks was really impacted by
• 55:48
  Speaker 4: Captain Planet. It just really it changed his whole worldview,
• 55:53
  Speaker 4: and now he wants to advocate for the climate. And look,
• 55:56
  Speaker 4: and I'm making fun, but legitimately that is a perfectly
• 56:02
  Speaker 4: noble thing for you to make your alien abduction book about.
• 56:07
  Speaker 4: And I agree, And obviously, like the climate is hugely
• 56:10
  Speaker 4: important and we need to take care of it and
• 56:13
  Speaker 4: we are fucking it up. Do I think aliens give
• 56:16
  Speaker 4: a shit? I don't think aliens care, but I do
• 56:20
  Speaker 4: think obviously that's good to talk about.
• 56:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Like the message is perfectly fine, like, wo, you
• 56:27
  Speaker 2: need to take better care of the planet. It's just
• 56:30
  Speaker 2: that I don't know, like so much of what he's saying,
• 56:35
  Speaker 2: even though he's like, well, it's not like I don't
• 56:39
  Speaker 2: read any other accounts of this stuff because I don't
• 56:42
  Speaker 2: want it.
• 56:42
  Speaker 3: To cloud my description.
• 56:44
  Speaker 2: But also a lot of what he's describing was in
• 56:47
  Speaker 2: like behold a pale horse and shit like that, Like
• 56:50
  Speaker 2: this idea that he met with aliens and made some
• 56:53
  Speaker 2: kind of agreement that we have since violated, Like that
• 56:57
  Speaker 2: predates Jim Sparks for all of his talk about not
• 57:01
  Speaker 2: being influenced by anything else, Like.
• 57:04
  Speaker 4: Right, that does still, yeah, like that's basically what that is.
• 57:09
  Speaker 3: One of the.
• 57:10
  Speaker 2: Things I found interesting that I don't think I've heard
• 57:14
  Speaker 2: in any other book like this or anyone else who
• 57:18
  Speaker 2: talks about this idea that the government has suppressed technology
• 57:22
  Speaker 2: that would end global warming. He is adamant that we
• 57:27
  Speaker 2: need an amnesty program, as are the aliens. They are
• 57:30
  Speaker 2: adamant that there needs to be an amnesty program so
• 57:34
  Speaker 2: all of these government officials who've been hiding this stuff
• 57:39
  Speaker 2: can come forward and give it to us without fear of,
• 57:43
  Speaker 2: you know, being charged with crimes against humanity for letting
• 57:47
  Speaker 2: so many people die.
• 57:48
  Speaker 4: And you know what, sure, yeah, why why not get
• 57:51
  Speaker 4: I'll get on board with that, Yeah, amnesty for everybody
• 57:54
  Speaker 4: hiding alien technology, and like.
• 57:57
  Speaker 2: He is right that if that were the case, saving
• 58:00
  Speaker 2: the planet is probably the bigger concern over shaped Neuremberg
• 58:05
  Speaker 2: trialing a bunch of people who hid alien propulsion tech
• 58:10
  Speaker 2: in the back of the Pentagon, right, I don't know
• 58:12
  Speaker 2: that the Pentagon has a back.
• 58:14
  Speaker 3: That's not how shapes like the Pentagon work.
• 58:16
  Speaker 2: But yeah, there's He's got all these quotes about how
• 58:20
  Speaker 2: basically the Aliens made this agreement with the government, gave
• 58:25
  Speaker 2: us all this technology that was supposed to fix global warming,
• 58:28
  Speaker 2: and we just used it for war. Yeah, now we're
• 58:31
  Speaker 2: kind of screwed. And now that does sound like us.
• 58:35
  Speaker 4: That is a very human thing. Yeah, he kind of
• 58:39
  Speaker 4: got us with that one.
• 58:40
  Speaker 2: And this part comes up in the episode we just
• 58:44
  Speaker 2: did about those UFO hearings and the question of whether
• 58:49
  Speaker 2: a letter from Aliens was read during those UFO hearings.
• 58:53
  Speaker 4: Sure, it was.
• 58:54
  Speaker 3: Read during a different UFO hearing.
• 58:56
  Speaker 2: But the letter comes from this book and here is
• 59:00
  Speaker 2: I won't read all of it.
• 59:01
  Speaker 3: Although the print is very big.
• 59:03
  Speaker 4: It's very long. Your air, your.
• 59:06
  Speaker 2: Water are contaminated, Your forest, jungles, trees, and plant life
• 59:10
  Speaker 2: are dying. There are several breaks in your food chain.
• 59:14
  Speaker 2: You have an overwhelming amount of nuclear and biological weapons,
• 59:17
  Speaker 2: which include nuclear and biological contamination. Your planet is over populated.
• 59:24
  Speaker 2: That part I agree with. And I could just make
• 59:26
  Speaker 2: a list of the people I think we could do without.
• 59:30
  Speaker 4: Oh sure, Yeah, that's never gone wrong before. I think
• 59:33
  Speaker 4: that's a good idea.
• 59:35
  Speaker 3: Exactly.
• 59:36
  Speaker 4: Its always a good idea to make lists of undesirables.
• 59:41
  Speaker 4: I think that works out well every time. Yeah, that's
• 59:43
  Speaker 4: exactly what I'm saying, Olivia.
• 59:44
  Speaker 3: I'm glad we're on the same page. And yeah, that
• 59:47
  Speaker 3: once he gets to that point, there's still good sixty
• 59:51
  Speaker 3: seventy pages left in the book. Yes, and wow, he
• 59:56
  Speaker 3: just really hits on that point over.
• 59:59
  Speaker 4: Yes he does. And then, like I said, it's like
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 4: a good forty pages of that is people being like
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 4: this Jim Sparks guy, he's unbelievable. There's never been a
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 4: guy like this before. He's the biggest man who ever lived.
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 4: And that is like the last several pages of this book.
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 4: And I did not read that. I'm not gonna lie sorry.
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 2: Once I realized the end was just other people, I
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 2: skipped a lot of that.
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 4: Yeah, shit, there's like a supposedly an academic paper studying
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 4: the alien language samples. I'm like, okay, whatever, body.
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And one of the first lines in that is
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 2: something like compared to other alien writings, It's like, okay,
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 2: what Yeah.
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 4: Well, it's also like, you know, when you look at them,
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 4: it does appear like they are very human in nature
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 4: and could have easily been made by a human. And
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 4: I'm like, yeah, you're right. That is the feeling that
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 4: I get when I look at them. They do look
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 4: like they were made by people.
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 2: He does finally describe what these aliens look like, because
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 2: they do this thing where they can like image project
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 2: and just kind.
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 4: Of calls it screen imaging, which is a very specific term,
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 4: and I found really funny like that just it's not
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 4: really what that term means.
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 3: This is what he describes them as.
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 2: They were big, alright, Their upper bodies look like football linebackers.
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 2: As the light became brighter and the details clearer, beer
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 2: and shock did course through me like lightning. They had scales,
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 2: and their faces were sort of snakelike or lizard like,
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 2: nothing at all like the smaller aliens. So we're talking
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 2: reptilians now and.
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 4: Right, But can I say that has the best illustration.
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 2: Yes, because for one thing in the illustration, the thing
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 2: just has like a normal ass face.
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 4: But it's like but it's like on the end of
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 4: a stalk. It's so bizarre. It's like the face is
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 4: like pushed forward. It's so weird.
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 2: And the look on Jim Spark's face in this is
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 2: great too. No, he definitely farmed this out because this
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 2: one is also signed by Gallante.
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 4: God maybe he's Ganevo.
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 3: Imagine drawing this and being like, yeah.
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 4: Helly ok, this is perfect, I'm putting my name on it.
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 3: And yeah.
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 2: The chapter I think I found most interesting at the
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 2: end is uh oh, come on, yeah, chapter twenty two.
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 3: It's called What I Have Learned.
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and he just like runs through all of this different,
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 2: like all the different abilities these aliens have, like dimensional blending,
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 2: alien healings. And there's a a fun moment where he
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 2: gets like a chest infection and the aliens show up
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 2: and cure it.
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 3: For some reason, it's.
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 4: Like why they're just they're pros.
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 3: Is this where the black Helicopters thing came from?
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 4: No, Black helicopters predate this. Yeah, this book talks about
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 4: X files and the Black helicopters are part of X
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 4: files A sure, because he does X files is a
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 4: is a kind of a catch all bin for nineties
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 4: conspiracy thinking.
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 3: Barack Obama.
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 2: I think one of the best things he did when
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 2: he was in office, or like my favorite thing he
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 2: did when he was in office, Yeah, was that time
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 2: someone asked him about the black helicopters and if they exist,
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 2: and he just goes, yeah, but not for that.
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 4: It's like, all right, like that, I mean, well, probably thrones.
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 3: That you assassinate American citizens.
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 4: With exactly, like you know, it's probably for some nefarious
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 4: military purpose. Absolutely, It's like, it's not aliens, We're just
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 4: killing people.
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 2: But yeah, he Jim Sparks in this book claims the
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 2: black helicopters they respond whenever someone's been abducted by aliens,
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 2: there's this residue, like their energy sticks with you and
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 2: it goes out into the atmosphere. And he's like, the
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 2: black helicopters are tracking that down and.
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 4: Cool, cool, whatever you say, buddy, And.
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah, like by the end, it really turns into a
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 3: save the planet, stop eating beef kind of and listen,
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 3: Jim fucking love a burger.
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 4: Yeah, Like, look, I want to save the planet. And
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 4: if if the end of beef production like happens as
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 4: a means of state of making that happen, then I'll
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 4: grin and bear it. But in the meantime, when if
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 4: there's beef available, I'm gonna eat it.
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 3: I'm sorry, I like, yeah, I'm gonna eat a steak.
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 3: Tell you that much.
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 4: How cow is the tastiest animal there is. There's just
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 4: know two ways about it. The best animal.
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's probably just the best animal.
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 3: He talks about alien human hybrids all that.
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 4: Shit, like all the hits. Yeah, I mean again, like
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 4: we're not we're not gonna we can't hit everything because
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 4: it's a it's a fucking book. But like you know,
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 4: he definitely he touches on all the big alien hallmarks.
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 3: So to summarize, should people read this book, I.
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 4: Mean, I really don't think that it's necessary. You've seen
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 4: most of this somewhere else if you want, if you
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 4: have a means. The thing is that you basically can
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 4: only read it by spending money on it, And I
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 4: can't recommend that if you If you found it at
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 4: your local library, it is available, like I know, it's
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 4: available in the reference section at the LA Public Library
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 4: the Central Division. So you know, if you have a
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 4: means of seeking it out for free from a library
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 4: or something, sure, but otherwise I cannot recommend it. No.
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I don't think it's like the worst
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 3: in terms of writing. It's not terrible, and his descriptions
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 3: of the encounters with the aliens are entertaining.
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 4: It's a quick read, like his writing is very easy
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 4: to understand and straightforward, and he gets to the point basically.
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 2: It's just also that we've hit the point in the
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 2: UFO debate or UAP sorry, sure, where I don't trust anyone.
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 3: I don't trust the people saying the aliens are evil
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 3: and they want to kill us. I don't trust Stephen Greer, Like.
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 4: I definitely don't trust Stephen Greer.
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 3: I have just kind of thrown my hands up when
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 3: it comes to aliens, and it's like whatever's gonna happen
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 3: is gonna fucking happen. Like if the government a flagging us,
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 3: they're going to do it. Like there's not we're not
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 3: going to stop it by doing podcasts about.
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 4: It, yeah, the the or writing books about it. Like
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 4: there's a there's a major industry built up around this stuff,
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 4: and that makes it difficult to trust any of it
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 4: because a lot of people have a lot of money
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 4: on the you know, at stake trying to sell you
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 4: on their version of the story. Yeah, so I don't know.
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 4: At least Jim Sparks is not that we can definitively
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 4: say that. He is not the kind of guy who
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 4: is out there trying to sell you a million books
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 4: and DVDs and documentaries and shit. Like he has. He
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 4: wrote his goddamn book and he put it out there
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 4: and he fucked off. That is it, And like that
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 4: is admirable in its own way.
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah, there's all I can find from him. Like he
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 3: was in a UFO documentary in two thousand and three thirteen.
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 3: He was interviewed by Art Bell in like two thousand
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 3: and seven.
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 4: Or eight, and he was he was on a coast
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 4: to coast.
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and he doesn't sound like a crazy person on
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 3: coast to coast, but a lot of like people usually don't.
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 4: Like that's the well, it's because that's the coast to
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 4: coast thing, Like you're already the crazy part is that
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 4: you're listening to coast to coast, so like, you know,
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 4: everything kind of sounds, you know, pretty rational when it's happening.
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 3: So I think that's our episode. Yeah, I I do
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 3: like how this episode turned out, and I wouldn't mind
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 3: doing another book Club episode maybe next month.
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 2: And I know what, I know what book I want
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 2: to cover. It is a book I have not read,
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 2: but I have wanted to for a long time.
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 3: It's called the Elvis Files. Was his faked by jale
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 3: B Georgio. It's kind of defined, but it's out there.
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 3: And here's the thing, after looking at the FBI files
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 3: about Elvis, Like, without even reading this woman's book, I
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 3: do think he joined witness protection and fucked off to
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 3: another country. Sure, I don't think he died in nineteen
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 3: seventy eight. I mean, I'm sure he's dead now. But
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 3: I'm an Elvis truther.
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 4: Give sure why I think? Is it hurt? Yeah, that's
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 4: maybe Elvis.
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 2: That's at least not a conspiracy theory that when you
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 2: peel the layers away it ends with the Jews.
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 4: That's true. That is true for the seamless one. Right. Yeah,
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 4: I'm a Bubba ho Tip truther. I think actually that
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 4: was a documentary and that's what Elvis has been up to.
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I never saw it.
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 4: Oh you would like it. Maybe it's old. It's Elvis
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 4: in a retirement home, played by Bruce Campbell, and he's
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 4: and he has to fight at a zombie, a redneck
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 4: zomb redneck mummy, sorry, zombie, a red nick mummy.
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 3: So yeah, let's let's cover that next month.
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 2: Bubba ho Tep No yells fine hotep. I mean we
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 2: could cover Bubba Ho Tep as a bonus episode after week.
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 4: Well, that would be fun.
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 3: Cover the Elvis files. I'm just looking at where it's available.
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 3: You can get it on Amazon hardcover for nine dollars.
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 3: There are a bunch of used ones from like three dollars.
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 3: It's out there, you can find it. Yeah, there's probably
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 3: a PDF somewhere. I know there's a version on eBay
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 3: that comes with a cassette.
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 4: I want that. Well, I wonder, yeah it might be.
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 3: So that's our episode, Olivia. Thank you so much for
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 3: reading this crazy ass book.
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 4: Oh, thank you for having me. This is fun.
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 3: And uh, people at home, if you read the book,
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 3: you know, sound off in the comments, tell us what
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 3: you thought. Well, yeah, well we'll put up a pole
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 3: or something. I don't know. If you're on Spotify, we
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 3: can put a pole up, but then what does everyone
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 3: else do?
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 4: Who knows? So I think that's it.
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 3: Do we have anything to plug before we get out
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 3: of here?
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 4: I mean, you know, I'm on I'm on x Hi.
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 4: It's funny. It's not funny, it is funny, Okay, X.
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 3: Is like truth social at this point, like this, like
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 3: it's not a.
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 4: Guy actually in my everyday life refer to this website
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 4: as X well. Actually I do sometimes it's funny, but
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 4: obviously it's still Twitter. But you know, I can't funny
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 4: that he did that. It's so stupid.
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 3: You can find me on I guess blue Sky from there.
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 4: I mean, yeah there too, So I am.
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 3: I mean, I still have a Twitter, but I'm not
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 3: fucking using it. Uh and follow me on substack Adam
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 3: Todd Brown dot substack dot com. And I think that's it.
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 3: Let's get the funk out of here. Olivia say goodbye bye,
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 3: goodbye everybody. We love you people of Earth.
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 1: Your planets have to be destroyed.
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 3: Your planets have to be destroyed.