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Star Wars: The Mandalorian and Grogu (2026) · CinemaHounds - A Lorehounds Podcast

• 0:26
  [SPEAKER_00]: Welcome to the Lorhound's podcast where your guides to a galaxy far far away.
• 0:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm John and I'm starting the rot of the hut workout routine.
• 0:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm Alicia following Grogu who to help undo all of his button pushing, although you can't unlaunch those rockets.
• 0:44
  [SPEAKER_00]: No, you cannot.
• 0:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: And this is our coverage of the 2026 film, The Mandalorian and Grogu.
• 0:52
  [SPEAKER_00]: We are going to start spoiler free, talk about our general thoughts, and then we'll give a big spoiler warning.
• 0:57
  [SPEAKER_00]: But if you want to get into contact with us, email Star Wars at the Lorentz.com, check the links in the show notes to get to our Discord server where you can chat a real time, and you can find our Patreon and supercast subscriptions to get bonus content.
• 1:11
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• 1:22
  [SPEAKER_00]: let's get right into it spoiler-free hot takes Alicia.
• 1:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: I want to hear yours first actually.
• 1:26
  [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, okay, all right.
• 1:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: Because I was, I was alive, I was scatter shooting as Norl's does.
• 1:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, you're more on the fence.
• 1:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, I have, I've gone to see a twice now.
• 1:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I've had a lot of thoughts about how I feel about this.
• 1:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: So I'm curious about you.
• 1:48
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I, you know,
• 1:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: I actually did enjoy the movie and I want to make that clear.
• 1:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: I went in there hoping it would be something it wasn't, which was I was hoping it would be something to really tie up a lot of the main storylines that have been raised in the main issues that have been raised in the Mandalorian and Asuka.
• 2:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: And that's not what they wanted to do here.
• 2:11
  [SPEAKER_00]: No, it wasn't what they wanted to do and I still think it would have been more of an event
• 2:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: That said, for what it was, which was a standalone fun adventure with Mando and Grogo, it was very well done.
• 2:29
  [SPEAKER_00]: And it was fun, and people were chuckling in the audience, even though it was a most empty theater.
• 2:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: I want to see a madame though, so I guess that's to be expected.
• 2:41
  [SPEAKER_00]: it was really good like it was really good for what it was which was just fun turn your brain off watch some big space lasers and you know action sequences and then when Pedro Pascal puts his helmet back on the stun somehow get better all of a sudden and I was like okay all right the stun
• 3:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: But I like that they gave them top billing at the like when they opened her like Pedro Pascal and then they listed which is face not John Wayne with Brendan Wayne and Latif.
• 3:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: Can we remember?
• 3:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: This was last the stun coordinator.
• 3:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I didn't notice that.
• 3:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I noticed that as soon as I was like, OK, they know people are on to them.
• 3:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's not usually Pedro Pescault in the helmet.
• 3:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm glad that they are acknowledging now there's been, you know, stunts are going to be a category at the Oscars now.
• 3:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: And there's just generally more acknowledgement for the unseen people who actually make these stunts look cool.
• 3:43
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's good.
• 3:44
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's fun.
• 3:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: I came home when I was like, Pedro Pascal definitely got like $10 million to say like 20 lines.
• 3:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I think, I mean, I think that the one in the main reasons that they do this also for the stunts, but also so they can pay them a little less.
• 4:02
  [SPEAKER_00]: Do you think so?
• 4:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because he doesn't have to be on set much, but I did notice the big scene that he was in was very wet and you do get extra pay for being immersed in water.
• 4:13
  [SPEAKER_00]: What what work is always more and not a crime thing.
• 4:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: A crime thing, is it?
• 4:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, what work.
• 4:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, like when you clean up, uh, I don't know.
• 4:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know much about the true cut.
• 4:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: I feel like I've seen that like a mob movie.
• 4:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, alright.
• 4:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe I'm maybe I'm wrong.
• 4:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: probably got spy movie.
• 4:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: All right, well, we're off track here.
• 4:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, I did enjoy it.
• 4:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: I only want one, something like you.
• 4:39
  [SPEAKER_00]: Don't think I'd see it again.
• 4:40
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'd wait to go see it at home.
• 4:42
  [SPEAKER_00]: I would still recommend people to watch just in theaters.
• 4:44
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's a lot of fun.
• 4:45
  [SPEAKER_00]: The one negative thing is I went to go see it in 3D, which I never do because I'm always worried about my glasses.
• 4:53
  [SPEAKER_00]: And it gave me such a headache.
• 4:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: It was, I would not recommend seeing it in 3D.
• 4:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: Even if you don't get headaches from 3D, which I don't know if that was that or something else that day.
• 5:05
  [SPEAKER_00]: But even if you don't get headaches from 3D, I did not see a point to it.
• 5:10
  [SPEAKER_00]: You know, there was no like big, you whal moment in 3D.
• 5:13
  [SPEAKER_00]: It was just kind of like, alright, it's a little bit, it's a little bit 3D.
• 5:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mostly only go to 3D for like the Avatar movies, not the last Airbender, obviously, but the James Cameron ones, the Navi ones.
• 5:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: And it's because those are like specifically films to be that way.
• 5:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: This, I know it was filmed for IMAX.
• 5:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't, not that I don't know of it being filmed for 3D, so maybe that explains it a little bit that they're doing things after the facts that make your head go no.
• 5:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I was just like, uh, not for me, not for me.
• 5:49
  [SPEAKER_00]: And I don't, that could be a me problem.
• 5:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: But I just, I did not see, it did not justify itself, the 3D component.
• 5:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, okay.
• 5:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: So what do you think?
• 6:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: I went the first time on, I was going to go to Dolby but then like it didn't work out.
• 6:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: So I ended up going on a regular screen and then while I'm sitting there, I enjoyed it, but I'm like, oh, if we show her watching this in Dolby.
• 6:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: So I went back a week later in Dolby and both times, I mean, granted, I'm going to a theater in the middle of a major city, the largest city in the Netherlands.
• 6:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: So, mm-hmm.
• 6:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: the the theaters were not definitely not emptied for me, you know, um and there was nice it was really nice um I enjoyed it myself like I I did have like a really good time and I would have had a good time watching at home but being in the audience and hearing the reactions of the people around me made me like it even more.
• 6:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: So I I quite like this I gave it four stars I went in knowing it's not going to be and or and people who are expecting
• 6:57
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and I just want to make clear I did not know from the beginning.
• 7:01
  [SPEAKER_00]: I was just hoping for what I wish would have happened was just a little bit more tie-in with what we already did instead of doing it so episodic.
• 7:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: And they explicitly, the instruction was not from Disney, you know, the top-down instruction was to make it something standalone.
• 7:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: So John Favreau, he had finished writing season four of Mendo and people were like, oh, he just repurpose those scripts, but that's not really true.
• 7:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: because those scripts were going to be, you know, in bringing Thrawn in and tying things in with the soka and everything.
• 7:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: And this was like, there's an explicit instruction, this must be stand alone.
• 7:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: This has to be something that people who have never watched the show can watch and be delighted by and make them want to watch the show I suppose.
• 7:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: So, I think that there, and what I heard from the people in the audience,
• 8:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like, in my second showing, um, the people on either side of me, I think they would have called themselves big Star Wars fans.
• 8:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: So I had on my left side, I had a mother and her, like, pre-teen child.
• 8:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: And then on my other side, I had two guys in their 20s.
• 8:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I think that the preteen child thinks of themselves as a fan, but is just getting into Star Wars fandom, whereas the guys on my other side were fans enough that they were like, they knew things like that Embo's wolf was supposed should have been dead by now, and they were questioning things like that, which we'll talk about that.
• 8:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: And so, I think they did know quite a bit, and they were both completely delighted.
• 8:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: But I do have the feeling that they're not as obsessive as I am, and I think that, and so, my first time watching, I was definitely, I don't even remember who sat on my right, but the people on my left were, there was a couple, whereas a guy who spoke Dutch, I know, because he spoke Dutch to me when he came in.
• 9:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: and his date apparently did not because they were speaking in English the whole time.
• 9:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: And of course, the subtitles when Aliens speak in a Dutch movie theater, the subtitles are in Dutch.
• 9:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: And he was not translating any of it to her.
• 9:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: So whenever that would happen, she would just say pull out her phone and start going on that.
• 9:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: But still at the end, they looked at each other and said, that was the best Star Wars movie I've seen in years.
• 9:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, well, yes, it was because
• 9:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: Exactly, so these are clearly much more casual fans, but they were just completely delighted and just seeing like How everyone was one over by every little thing.
• 9:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: Grogu did got like giggles of squeals of delight from the audience and things like that And that's exactly what this film was trying to do So if I judge it by that merit, I do actually I like it better.
• 10:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think then season three of this show Okay, I think it's more cohesive for one
• 10:08
  [SPEAKER_00]: He's definitely more cohesive because season three was doing too many things.
• 10:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and there were things in season three that I would have liked to see more of like the structure of the new Republic and things like that.
• 10:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: I was hoping for more of that, but I understand why they didn't go that route.
• 10:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: We will talk about they did
• 10:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: implement some lasting changes that affect the new republic stuff, especially with one particular character.
• 10:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, I quickly realized that it was not going to be these big time things, so then I was pleasantly surprised by all the easter eggs and things like that that were included, like the whole the jaric chest thing, you know, where they actually brought the
• 10:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: the actual monsters from the original movie that we see in the chess game, you know, never always let the wookie winner, whatever they say in the original movie.
• 11:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: They're literally those creatures doing some of the exact same moves on a chess board and I'm like, yes, I'm here for this, that's great.
• 11:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: There were other things like zeb was there really hoping that there would be a mention of callists, but I think Disney still cowardly about zeb's perceived boyfriend.
• 11:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think Disney's going to bring him up anytime soon.
• 11:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and there was some there was some lore sloppiness like I'm I'm like.
• 11:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: Pablo Hidalgo, the lower master of Star Wars, he did check through this, right?
• 11:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: They do remember that they told us the Grogo was 50, right?
• 11:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: Because I really need them to confirm to me that they remember the things they've already told us.
• 11:42
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, look, you know, we're kissing our sister in one movie, where
• 11:48
  [SPEAKER_00]: you know.
• 11:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but that was that that was a completely different thing.
• 11:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: That was a that was George Lucas making it up on the spot.
• 11:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: But then at least he remembers the kiss happening.
• 11:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: It was for luck.
• 11:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: It was for luck.
• 12:02
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I suppose so.
• 12:03
  [SPEAKER_00]: It was just like yeah, Star Wars has never been like the most consistent with lore.
• 12:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I mean, yeah, there's
• 12:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to disagree with that because they go to great lengths to fix things after the fact.
• 12:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: And there is someone whose job it is to literally do that.
• 12:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: So I was a bit disappointed by some of the details, the sloppiness of the details there.
• 12:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: But I was delighted that there was just so much
• 12:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: All over the place, Rada was much more of the story than I expected than I dared to hope.
• 12:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: Embo is just, yeah, he's one of my favorite bounty hunters, particularly like whenever you hear, Oh, it's one of Alicia's favorite characters, where they in that venture spoke, yes, yes he was.
• 12:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: Um, but yeah, he was just so, it was just so fucking cool to see him in live action, you know, and he wasn't wasted, like, cad-bait.
• 12:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 13:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: Um.
• 13:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: so I was really delighted by a lot of things and I do think that there's we learned more from this and people are giving credit for you know we got an insight into the state of the galaxy at this moment between you know it's around nine or ten after the battle of um yoffin so after the original movie nine to ten years later and
• 13:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: We know things like about like, okay, what's going on with these empirical remnants that's, you know, where they're gathering strength to come back in another about 25 years is when the forest awakens happens.
• 13:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: And so we get some crumbs about that.
• 13:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: But overall, like, the thing that really brought it together, always Ludwig Gordonson cannot get enough Oscars.
• 13:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's not going to get one for this, probably for help probably be nominated for the Odyssey this year to be honest.
• 13:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: But, you know, he's the one who, anyone who doesn't recognize that name, that's who just won a second Oscar this past year for sinners, just, in my book, probably the greatest to do it in the scorewriting department right now,
• 14:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, it's like, he's wrote that iconic Mando score to begin with.
• 14:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: And then I was like, well, what are you going to do with that?
• 14:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: You have to keep that through line.
• 14:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, that we just heard in the opening music you played.
• 14:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: And he's like, hold my base for quarter.
• 14:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: Or no, actually don't.
• 14:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: I need that.
• 14:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: And he just really,
• 14:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: Raised the level of the music and for me I thought music has a huge effect on me when I'm watching a movie and that's really Made it for me.
• 14:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think a lot Yeah, I too I think this might be the first hours movie where we have like full techno music Yeah, yeah, right like like electronic music rather than you know the traditional John Williams type score
• 15:01
  [SPEAKER_00]: And it was good, and I appreciate that we finally broke from that.
• 15:05
  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, easier to do when you're already tied to a series.
• 15:08
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's doing that, but it was refreshing.
• 15:11
  [SPEAKER_00]: That was one of the highlights, I agree.
• 15:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: Mm-hmm.
• 15:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and even just a theme itself, like he'd take that iconic theme and then just add these flourishes on top to just make it wilder and deeper and you knew.
• 15:24
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 15:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I wonder if that was actually the score, though, that might have been the music supervisor or somebody else, because that's a lot of the time the person writes the score is like, he was the score.
• 15:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
• 15:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I listen to the score.
• 15:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like I, I'm a Ludwig Gordonson fan girl by now.
• 15:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: So I listened to the score.
• 15:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: It was released at midnight in every time zone, like a few days before I saw the movie.
• 15:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, I posted it in the discord.
• 15:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: I was like, right now I'm listening to the new score and reading the latest, malls, shadow of mall comic.
• 16:01
  [SPEAKER_00]: We've done our spoiler for tics.
• 16:03
  [SPEAKER_00]: Anything else on that?
• 16:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: No, I'll just start getting more spoilery if we can.
• 16:08
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's why I'm like, let's get on to the thing.
• 16:12
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm just going to give you a quick log on.
• 16:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: So if you want absolutely no spoilers, hop out now.
• 16:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: If you are okay with knowing the basic premise of the film, which I didn't go in, I actually think I would have liked it better if I didn't know what going in.
• 16:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: So see you.
• 16:26
  [SPEAKER_00]: Sure that.
• 16:29
  [SPEAKER_00]: But anyway, so here we go.
• 16:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: Spoiler, mild spoiler, spoiler warning, about didn't jarren in Grogo go on a self-contained adventure through the galaxy to rescue a missing hut and obtain information critical to the newer public.
• 16:45
  [SPEAKER_00]: And this is, of course, a follow-up to the Mandalorian seasons one to three and a so-called season one.
• 16:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: The production details,
• 16:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: We have written by John Favreau and Dave Filoni, no surprise, but also Noah Clawer.
• 17:00
  [SPEAKER_00]: I wasn't aware that they had a third writer on this.
• 17:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because he was, he wrote actually the book of Boba Fett, and then also the third episode of like, or the fourth episode or whatever of the third season of Amanda, the one where both were the twins.
• 17:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, no, that's from Boba Fett.
• 17:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: But the one, the Mendo episode where we both see more of the operations of the new republic and also where Mendo takes off his helmet and has, you know, because he's taken off his helmet, he has to do that whole dip up for death.
• 17:33
  [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
• 17:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: Well, that was a good episode of the Mandalorian.
• 17:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: But Boba Fett, I guess I'll try to forget for her.
• 17:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, yeah, I always say it was hit by the COVID stick.
• 17:45
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think it's a little deeper than that, but anyway, director directed by John Favreau, you know, story director, and starring Pedro Pascal, Jeremy Allen White, Sigourney Weaver, Martin Scorsese, and Steve Bloom as Zeb.
• 18:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: budget versus box office, not great to be honest.
• 18:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's not going to, I, yeah, say your thing, but I have important things to say about this.
• 18:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm really upset with the way the media is is representing this and I don't want us to perpetuate it, but please, set it up.
• 18:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so opening weekend was only 167 million at the box office on a budget of 165 million, right now it's up to 177.9 million.
• 18:33
  [SPEAKER_00]: The it was the lowest Star Wars opening box office ever so low was 168 million so a million more and that was, you know, many years ago now so before the family not great, yeah, before the pandemic important right exactly so it's like way worse than so low actually.
• 18:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: No, no, no, no, no, no, before the pandemic, so every film was doing better, but oh, sorry, I'll stop, I'll shut up for now, but yeah, yeah, but also like prices were lower and and, you know, inflation, yeah, no, it's, it's, I mean,
• 19:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: right now.
• 19:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: So right now, this is the third biggest opening weekend of this year after actually domestically in the U.S., it's the second biggest opening weekend of the year.
• 19:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: So number one is Mario Galaxy.
• 19:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like, okay, fine.
• 19:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: I haven't watched it.
• 19:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: I didn't.
• 19:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's bad.
• 19:26
  [SPEAKER_00]: I saw it because my daughter begged me to take her to it.
• 19:30
  [SPEAKER_00]: And yeah, she had fun.
• 19:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I didn't enjoy the first one, and so I'm not really keen on this one, especially after the reviews, but it is the biggest grossing film of the year, depressingly.
• 19:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: So that one got 132 million domestic and 372 million opening weekends in total.
• 19:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: Still though, it's important to know it did not cross the 1 billion threshold, so that did not as well as the previous one.
• 20:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: And just nothing has crossed the 1 billion threshold this year.
• 20:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: So it's just box offices are down overall.
• 20:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: So we need to keep that in mind.
• 20:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: Second, global, biggest box office grossing movie is Michael.
• 20:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: about Michael Jackson of course.
• 20:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: And so that one only got, it got 97 million opening weekend in the US, 217 globally.
• 20:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think that one's up to, I just like a box office breakdown of the year so far on our discord.
• 20:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't have that open in front of me, but I think it was like 600 something for it's like total or no, no, no, no, it's more than that because it's more than
• 20:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, so Mando, second biggest domestically, 102 million, 165 million globally, so it's surprisingly soft abroad.
• 20:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: That is the biggest thing.
• 20:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's like, why is it so soft abroad?
• 20:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I can't answer that because anecdotally, when I go to the theaters here, the screenings are all sold out.
• 21:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: There's a bunch of them.
• 21:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: They're packed.
• 21:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's doing well and then other lends can't say about the rest of the world.
• 21:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't I think China's just completely done their own things So that's a major thing that's affecting all of the global box offices like they have this also There's also quite a lot of countries currently boycott a great thing that we do sure.
• 21:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 21:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's not great
• 21:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: No, it's yes.
• 21:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: So the question, the only thing we're Mando, I think, is really worrying is like, why does it seem to be soft internationally?
• 21:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: But then a lot of the times when it says that, it's just because it takes longer for the international grosses to come in.
• 21:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: So we may need to go come back and revise that because like,
• 21:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: for instance, people were saying that something like the drama was doing soft internationally.
• 21:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: When actually at the end of the day, it ended up earning two-thirds of it's pretty impressive box office for, you know, the type of film that it is abroad.
• 21:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: So I will see with Mando, over all though, it's one of the strongest of the year.
• 21:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: Project Hell Mary is fourth with 81 million opening weekend and a 140 million opening weekend worldwide.
• 22:10
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, the poll of the Star Wars bread even when I think I think Star Wars is such a divisive thing right now like it's it's just you have you have multiple factions with it Maybe I just see the Reddit people and they're like, you know, the fandom menace people call them like everybody does in the universe
• 22:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: And in the way that the media has been reporting these box offices are constantly framing it as like, oh, it's softer than solar.
• 22:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like, you have to understand that solo was released in a different world than we are in now.
• 22:43
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's true.
• 22:44
  [SPEAKER_00]: Although, I mean, already still declining, it was, uh, it was already starting to decline, right?
• 22:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: What?
• 22:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: The theater going.
• 22:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: We haven't, we're, we're, we're recording this on Friday of the second weekend.
• 22:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: So we have no idea yet.
• 22:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: But no, I'm saying, I'm saying, if, before the pandemic, we were already declining in general theater going, um, I mean, nothing compared to what the pandemic did, of course.
• 23:13
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, and then the post pandemic, everybody was like, let's go to the movies again.
• 23:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, but we're still nowhere near pre-pandemic levels.
• 23:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: Even though we are bouncing back, we're not as bad as, you know, it was in like 2022 or whatever.
• 23:29
  [SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, no, I just mean like right after the pandemic everybody was like, let's go to the movies, we couldn't do that for a long time and then they kind of backed off again.
• 23:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's tough, right?
• 23:38
  [SPEAKER_00]: Because we all have nicer TVs now.
• 23:40
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 23:41
  [SPEAKER_00]: We're a lot of us have nicer TVs now and it's things, you know, this is part of the film industry,
• 23:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: taking steps that kind of hurt themselves a long term is that they're releasing stuff on paid video demand right well that's what the pandemic really changed is that they're really forced things to be you know to go directly to video that was like this HBO policy the pissed off a bunch of people and they lost
• 24:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: lot of creatives because of that and now there's a real fight to get that back and you know and Netflix obviously has contributed to this and and then you know for a long time we still see a lot of because Netflix is the biggest in the streaming game we see a lot of the other streamers like Disney plus starting to like oh let's do binge drops and things like that but it's these are not financially the best policies for a streamer like if you want to make a bunch
• 24:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's just yeah, and so now we see a pivot back towards that.
• 24:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: So hopefully that will bear fruit in the future, but I just yeah, I just think I've just been really angry with the media how they and I've
• 24:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: brought this up with other movies in the past, it's not new to this movie, it's just obviously it's Star Wars people want to say things and they just keep repeating what other people are saying without really breaking it down that this movie has done quite well to be honest, like this, it's so far, it's doing quite well.
• 25:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: Now we'll see how it does in the second weekend if there's a big drop.
• 25:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't
• 25:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: expect that because it got in you know I got an A minus cinema score which is a really solid cinema score and when I saw the people around me and the theaters reacting to it yeah that that tracks like people are really enjoying it it's just as you say the fandom menace is loud as ever well I appreciate you you know educating me here because I don't pay attention to movies like you do as you know
• 25:42
  [SPEAKER_00]: Um, so it's a good tip to put it in the context of the broader trends.
• 25:45
  [SPEAKER_00]: We'll see where this ends up.
• 25:47
  [SPEAKER_00]: Um, I guess we're not going to know for at least another few weeks.
• 25:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: How it did.
• 25:52
  [SPEAKER_00]: Uh, but yeah.
• 25:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: Um, the critics are not super generous with this movie, but not terrible.
• 25:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: Mm-hmm.
• 26:00
  [SPEAKER_00]: Rotten Tomatoes 62% from critics.
• 26:03
  [SPEAKER_00]: Uh, Metacritic at 53% letter box at 3.1, which I know you say they're, they're harsh creators over there.
• 26:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, well, I mean, in this is also where it's not even the fan of men is there's like a film snob effect going on on letterbox.
• 26:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I say that as a film snob on letterbox myself, but I'm a film so who also loves, you know, like I love pulp movies as much as well.
• 26:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: And so I've seen
• 26:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like, I've seen basically two scores repeated in the people that I follow on letterbox, which is either I gave it a four, I've seen lots of other people give it a four or on the other hand, I've seen lots of people give it a two and these are usually not star wars fans.
• 26:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, 3.1 that makes sense to me as an average of those.
• 26:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
• 26:47
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's fair.
• 26:48
  [SPEAKER_00]: All right.
• 26:49
  [SPEAKER_00]: Well, um, quick analytics.
• 26:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: We know Marilyn wants the movie.
• 26:52
  [SPEAKER_00]: So I guess it passes the Pukula scale.
• 26:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 26:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe I don't know.
• 26:57
  [SPEAKER_00]: We haven't heard from Marilyn Marilyn mentioned that she might send in a voicemail, but I never got it.
• 27:00
  [SPEAKER_00]: So here we are.
• 27:02
  [SPEAKER_00]: We'll have to speculate on how Marilyn feels about it.
• 27:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: Would you, I mean, what age children would you say could go see this?
• 27:11
  [SPEAKER_00]: What age children?
• 27:12
  [SPEAKER_00]: I didn't bring my kids.
• 27:14
  [SPEAKER_00]: I didn't bring my five year old.
• 27:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think it's I think the drag and snake makes it a little a little scarier than, you know, like a five or six year old.
• 27:22
  [SPEAKER_00]: I would say like eight or nine and they're fine.
• 27:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
• 27:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: maybe that's because I don't have an eight or nine year old yet so I can judge up and i'm just like older than now i mean yeah i'm i i'm very permissive i would like if a someone with a five-year-old was like could we take my five-year-old be like yeah sure it's probably don't listen to me
• 27:44
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I just remember what my grandpa showed me the haunting like the 90s movie.
• 27:48
  [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, but that is way worse than I was like six and then I didn't sleep for like a week and I'm like yeah.
• 27:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: Man, I maybe that's why I'm just sensitive about like what movies my kids can watch.
• 28:01
  [SPEAKER_00]: So, um, the Sanders and Slam, no, no adaptation stuff.
• 28:07
  [SPEAKER_00]: The perfect film paradox is it is it perfect at what it does.
• 28:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: Um, I mean, it's good to what it does.
• 28:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's solid of what it's trying to do.
• 28:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: My, like I said, my only real gripes are that, um, are some, some lore nitpicking, but I think as a piece of filmmaking, it's not, like it's not going for best picture and it's not going to get it.
• 28:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: Um, but as an adventure film, like I was comparing it in my head while watching with the
• 28:42
  [SPEAKER_00]: And I'm like, yeah, I heard a kid grow from everything.
• 28:44
  [SPEAKER_00]: I know, I think, they, those, it's a thing, right?
• 28:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I, I rewatched one of them recently.
• 28:49
  [SPEAKER_00]: Um, this is the one that was part of like a broader special.
• 28:53
  [SPEAKER_00]: And then they took it apart.
• 28:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, no, that's, that's the Boba Fett one that came from the Star Wars Christmas.
• 28:58
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 28:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: All of any specials are.
• 29:00
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 29:00
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's life day, not Christmas.
• 29:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: Life day, right, right, which is technically an November, but.
• 29:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: Um, yeah, but I was thinking like, if I were a kid now, I would be re-watching this film at Natsam.
• 29:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think that's right.
• 29:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, even, I'll say this, I liked Solo when it came out.
• 29:22
  [SPEAKER_00]: I was, I was a much more casual Star Wars fan.
• 29:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: I still like Solo.
• 29:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think, I think it's really underrated.
• 29:29
  [SPEAKER_00]: Well, but what I'm I'm not saying I don't like it now.
• 29:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm just saying as a casual Star Wars fan back then.
• 29:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: I was like, this is really good.
• 29:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: And I bought it on Blu-ray because back then I was like, I'm going to do physical media.
• 29:39
  [SPEAKER_00]: I bought it on Blu-ray.
• 29:40
  [SPEAKER_00]: And I want to again when I had it at home, you know, like it was it was a good movie.
• 29:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, as a serious Star Wars fan, I liked it when I came out and I still think it's underrated.
• 29:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's just like people people be drinking hate or raid and they need to stop.
• 29:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, no, it's it's suffered from the Razor Skywalker effect, unfortunately.
• 29:58
  [SPEAKER_00]: Right, that's.
• 29:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: I will stand by the Razor Skywalker as a bad movie.
• 30:01
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's bad at what it does.
• 30:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: Um, I, I'll call it mixed because there are certain things about it.
• 30:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: I do really like.
• 30:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: A gritty disagree.
• 30:10
  [SPEAKER_00]: So, um,
• 30:12
  [SPEAKER_00]: What else we got?
• 30:13
  [SPEAKER_00]: The villain analysis framework, there are villains in this.
• 30:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: They're very traditional.
• 30:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: Um, I mean, yeah, it's what I expected going in.
• 30:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's not, yeah, they're not, they don't have the most depth.
• 30:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: But then there is someone like, like the bounty hunter, Embo, I think they did, they didn't advance his characterization at all, but they didn't nail it in the way he's just doing his job.
• 30:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: And, uh, why don't want to get into spoilers.
• 30:44
  [SPEAKER_00]: He's just a machine, right?
• 30:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's not a machine.
• 30:47
  [SPEAKER_00]: He's a... No, I just...
• 30:48
  [SPEAKER_00]: He's a heroist.
• 30:49
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 30:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: A killing machine.
• 30:52
  [SPEAKER_00]: No, I've got it.
• 30:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 30:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
• 30:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: One track mind kind of thing.
• 30:57
  [SPEAKER_00]: All right.
• 30:58
  [SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, you're the judge on this one.
• 31:01
  [SPEAKER_00]: Is it Hope Punk?
• 31:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: I would say yes.
• 31:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: I would say in general, Star Wars is very help.
• 31:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: Hope Punk.
• 31:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: From contents of...
• 31:11
  [SPEAKER_00]: I have trouble with the newer public era in terms of hope punk, because we know we're at going.
• 31:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it's like a world right now.
• 31:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: We know where it's going, we've been there before, but yet we're still going there, but the hope punk part is that like, I don't want to get political, but you know, that the people who will gather together to say, no, we don't have to let this happen.
• 31:39
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's just a weird place to be of like this is the government now, but it's also the resistance.
• 31:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, no, but that's the thing is it's not the resistance and that's what I really liked about that episode of Mendo, that we were talking about where they dive into the That that you know where they focus on the newer public which a lot of people don't like that episode of Mendo But it's probably my favorite of the third season because it asks the question what happens when the resistance becomes the government and starts to fall Pray to a lot of the same traps
• 32:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, and yeah, I hoped for more of that exploration in this movie.
• 32:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: They did not go there at all.
• 32:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: So that's something.
• 32:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: I was like, uh, want, want.
• 32:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, I guess.
• 32:26
  [SPEAKER_00]: I would have liked that.
• 32:26
  [SPEAKER_00]: Would have liked any follow-up from Soko or I actually, I'm kind of surprised that they didn't include certain characters introducing a Soko.
• 32:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: You mean the rest of the rebel crew?
• 32:39
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think they could have put in at least one more rebel.
• 32:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 32:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it's interesting that they've separated Zeb out from the rest.
• 32:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I wonder if it's because of the rest can be played by humans.
• 32:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: And Zeb has to be CG.
• 32:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: And so we've got like a tease of him in Mendo season three.
• 33:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: but they're going to, I hope he shows up in a soka now and I hope like the just by making him a character in this movie that meant that they were able to funnel budget toward developing him more as an asset as a digital asset so that they can use that in a soka season too, hopefully.
• 33:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, maybe.
• 33:22
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm just kind of like, you couldn't have painted Mary Elizabeth Winston Green
• 33:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they could have been like a fun that wouldn't have taken away from anyone else, but that would have cost money.
• 33:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, missed opportunities, I would say.
• 33:39
  [SPEAKER_00]: There's a lot of missed opportunities for cameos.
• 33:41
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's rare that I watch the Star Wars movie, and I'm like, I wish there were more cameos.
• 33:45
  [SPEAKER_00]: But I did feel that way here.
• 33:47
  [SPEAKER_00]: I felt like we were missing some things.
• 33:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I guess I didn't like, you know, I didn't necessarily want it to become a cameo fest.
• 33:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I was so pleasantly surprised by how well I thought that Rada and Embo were used.
• 34:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: That was like, OK, I'm cool with this.
• 34:05
  [SPEAKER_00]: Fair enough.
• 34:06
  [SPEAKER_00]: Fair enough.
• 34:07
  [SPEAKER_00]: And I will say before we go into spoilers, I'm really miss Carl Weathers.
• 34:11
  [SPEAKER_00]: I, he was, he was absolutely, was like palpable.
• 34:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: there was a tribute to him in and I only know this because they put it on the Star Wars.com trivia thing because I don't read R.A.B.S.
• 34:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: which is the text that they use in universe.
• 34:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: Someday I will learn that.
• 34:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: But there's a chance you will.
• 34:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: I have no doubt.
• 34:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean it's I can't believe I haven't but now but there's a an R-Besh sign above the doorway leading to the arena on Shikari that moon and it says weather's Apollo on it and that's obviously Intribute to Carl weather's who played Apollo Creed in the Rocky franchise.
• 34:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: Did he play Apollo Creed?
• 34:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: I've never watched Rocky.
• 34:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: Mm-hmm.
• 34:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, do you want to explain who Carl weather's was for anyone who doesn't remember?
• 35:02
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he was, he was the leader of a settlement that Mando kept going back to.
• 35:07
  [SPEAKER_00]: He was always giving Mando chips to go after.
• 35:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 35:10
  [SPEAKER_00]: And then he ended up being sort of like governor of, I think they weren't affiliated with the newer public quite yet, but they were like friendly with them.
• 35:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and that's going to be like the mando and back to Navarro.
• 35:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
• 35:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: Here's a minor little complaint about the movie.
• 35:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: I wish they would just like do the subtitles and tell us the names of every location they go to like just just do that like it helps helps a long time and it helps new people it hurts nothing.
• 35:41
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so he in Navarro was the yeah Navarro
• 35:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so Mando did go to Navar, but I really had to pay attention in the second time because I knew he went there because it's a title of one of the songs on the soundtrack, but then he just, I missed it the first time because so much happened so fast, like, yeah, just put the subtitles.
• 36:06
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I hear you.
• 36:07
  [SPEAKER_00]: Morning, way.
• 36:08
  [SPEAKER_00]: I missed Carl Weatherers.
• 36:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: They clearly were like, get a Sigourney Weaver on the phone right now.
• 36:14
  [SPEAKER_00]: Alright, well let's take a break, we'll come back and we will get into all the spoilers.
• 36:45
  [SPEAKER_00]: we're back and ready for some discussion now let's get into it.
• 36:53
  [SPEAKER_00]: I made a very bare bones outline because it's a very bare bones plot like there's really not a lot going on here right it is it's I wanted to say how I approach this movie so I approach the movie
• 37:08
  [SPEAKER_00]: looking at this rata plot line and going okay this is our opening adventure this is our save the cat right this is our let's just make mando local saving a hut get some cool CGI and then we'll go do something that's more consequential to the universe
• 37:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: And so I was disappointed when I realized that that was the whole plot, but then once I accepted it was the whole plot, I actually really enjoyed it.
• 37:38
  [SPEAKER_00]: So I ended up really liking it once I accepted what I could not change.
• 37:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: See, I thought like the rattle thing might be the opening thing and then he was gone.
• 37:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: And so then I was pleasantly surprised when he came back later.
• 37:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, yeah, that's funny that we had opposite approaches to this.
• 37:57
  [SPEAKER_00]: By the way, I didn't say spoilers for all things Star Wars that have come out now.
• 38:02
  [SPEAKER_00]: This is the latest thing.
• 38:03
  [SPEAKER_00]: We want to be able to reference things freely, so spoilers for all things Star Wars media.
• 38:10
  [SPEAKER_00]: So we had our opening sequence.
• 38:11
  [SPEAKER_00]: We got boom space lasers.
• 38:13
  [SPEAKER_00]: We capture, and it was hard.
• 38:14
  [SPEAKER_00]: We don't capture, we kill it in parallel.
• 38:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: And we got a school done from Sigourney Weaver and the new ship for some reason.
• 38:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because his ship blew up so he got like the sports car type ship which everyone was like What that's not practical for bounty hunter and now it's like you got to go pick up a hut You're gonna need a bigger ship.
• 38:38
  [SPEAKER_00]: We're gonna need a bigger boat Yeah, so the minute I saw that I was like, all right, there's a Lego set.
• 38:43
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's gonna be $200 And it's gonna be the new paint job on the same Lego set you have
• 38:52
  [SPEAKER_00]: that is, uh, the Star Wars money making way, and that's not new, right?
• 38:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like Star Wars has always been a merch factory.
• 38:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, for sure.
• 38:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's when it kind of kicked off the whole merch craze in the late 70s, early 80s.
• 39:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I don't begrudge them that, you know, we live in a capitalist world and I am a nerd, so if I had more money, I would definitely buy more of their merch, although okay, I need them to give us better value because like, I bought these at the acolyte t-shirts
• 39:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: have repelled after like two washes.
• 39:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: They've completely like repelled the graphic that was on the front of them.
• 39:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm like Star Wars.
• 39:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: Fine, you can charge an arm and a leg for merch, but make sure it holds up because you have a brand to reputation to uphold.
• 39:45
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, we can talk about Lego merchandise overall.
• 39:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: I know your shirt wasn't Lego, but thinking about Star Wars Lego.
• 39:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if you saw this new Lord of the Rings set, but they are getting out of their minds with these prices.
• 39:58
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like $650 for the Minister of Seas.
• 40:05
  [SPEAKER_00]: Basically, it's just like a battle scene of the end of Return to the King.
• 40:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: And it's, I'm like, dude, $650 is insane.
• 40:14
  [SPEAKER_00]: You even charge 400 for that.
• 40:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think people will buy it.
• 40:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: But 650 is like out of your mind, for plastic.
• 40:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, I mean, yeah, Lego is because people keep buying it.
• 40:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: There needs to be more competition, I think.
• 40:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and part of it is like legitimately, like it's hard for them to make custom pieces.
• 40:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: If they're not gonna sell a lot of these things.
• 40:40
  [SPEAKER_00]: It costs a lot of money to make custom pieces.
• 40:43
  [SPEAKER_00]: Um, at the same time, you got to figure out how to praise it better because it's the people who are not going to buy it.
• 40:48
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure people will buy it.
• 40:49
  [SPEAKER_00]: But, uh, anyway, this is a merch factory, and we've got our new merch, and I'm sure there's going to be, uh, something from that.
• 40:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: What is it?
• 40:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: The unzelems?
• 41:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, absolutely.
• 41:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: They're with their tiny little ship.
• 41:05
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's going to be a Lego set.
• 41:07
  [SPEAKER_00]: Um, that'll be the one for, that'll be the budget one, right?
• 41:10
  [SPEAKER_00]: And like that'll be,
• 41:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: I guess it depends how small they make it.
• 41:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 41:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: What do you think of the introduction of Sigourney Weaver?
• 41:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: Did you feel like this was, you know, just a little bit of casting or was she an interesting character?
• 41:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think she was an interesting character.
• 41:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: I did hope for more from and it's like is funny because I've been thinking a lot about the Netflix defenders first shows on the Marvel side, you know?
• 41:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: And she was also, she was like brought in in the defenders crossover season in a very similar way.
• 41:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, where it's just like, look, we got
• 41:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: we got her to say things the end and um yeah this is like I said uh probably the most disappointing part of this is that I did hope that to explore a bit more the whole new republic side of things and that would have been her part but no she was just there to be like I don't know glorified um bounty hunter manager.
• 42:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: I thought of I almost chuckled because if you ever watched Finding Dory
• 42:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: No, I need to catch up on that.
• 42:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: I have seen finding me, so it's fine.
• 42:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: OK, that's probably why I haven't.
• 42:29
  [SPEAKER_00]: But there's a scene where they get to an aquarium.
• 42:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: And you hear a voice over that just says, I'm Sagerny Weaver.
• 42:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: And this is an exhibit.
• 42:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: And that's our whole role as just to say, I'm Sagerny Weaver.
• 42:40
  [SPEAKER_00]: And here's our aquarium.
• 42:42
  [SPEAKER_00]: And that's kind of the same thing here, right?
• 42:45
  [SPEAKER_00]: She's there to be Sigourney Weaver, not to be a character.
• 42:48
  [SPEAKER_00]: And that's a shame because I think she's a tremendously talented actress.
• 42:53
  [SPEAKER_00]: She's a sci-fi legend and I wish they would use her for actually acting.
• 42:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: So can I say what I at one point like the plot I'd written in my head was because I was horrified by some of the things she was saying like okay this this is jumping ahead a little bit but just when Mendo comes back and he and she's like you didn't bring the hut and she and he's like no but I got the information we actually wanted she's like well but we are supposed to give the hut to his aunt and uncle and he's like he
• 43:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: to kill him, right?
• 43:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: And she's like, well, but we're cultivating a relationship.
• 43:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, that's dark.
• 43:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like I was like, what if she is the secret villain of the movie?
• 43:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: But no, she wasn't.
• 43:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: No, she was being duped.
• 43:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: Nobody addresses that like the entire, this is like at a rock level intelligence community failure.
• 43:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: But being dupped, yeah, I mean being dupped is one thing, but she was also like, it's fine to hand over the hut to the Antononko who want to kill him and probably sold him into slavery in the first place.
• 43:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, um, that's, this is, this is not cool to Gurney.
• 44:01
  [SPEAKER_00]: And I can did not save Rada for this nonsense.
• 44:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
• 44:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: A soka saved Ron a mostly just.
• 44:06
  [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I'm sorry.
• 44:07
  [SPEAKER_00]: I have a Watson movie in a while.
• 44:08
  [SPEAKER_00]: This was the original.
• 44:10
  [SPEAKER_00]: Let's let's talk about a quick.
• 44:11
  [SPEAKER_00]: The original Clone Wars movie, right?
• 44:13
  [SPEAKER_00]: That long 2008 series was what Roda showed up in.
• 44:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: That was the whole game.
• 44:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: But as they had to save baby Roda.
• 44:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
• 44:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: So I did, um, for the handful of you who have access to my Star Wars Canon Patagon Timeline feed.
• 44:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's this subscription feed for my, um, for the Star Wars Canon Timeline podcast.
• 44:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: I did put out an episode where I did a deep dive into everywhere that Rodda is shown up before.
• 44:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: So I did do a rewatch and reread of all those things.
• 44:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: Um, and so,
• 44:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, this is really fresh in my mind and like it was funny that they used the graphic they showed and they're like, this is the last graphic we have of him.
• 44:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: He may have grown by now, and anyone who'd seen the previews chuckled in theater because he's like this big muscular monster now.
• 45:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: Beast.
• 45:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: But it was
• 45:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: yeah so he basically he was kidnapped by his uncle zero or no his uncle zero helped the separatists duke who basically told ventress go kidnapped this kid poison him and this also like helps ventress later think about that was really messed up when I did that kidnapping thing that one time and it helps her turn toward being a savior of
• 45:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: Young children, rather than, you know, whatever that was, and so then, yeah, they, again, like in this movie, they want to make a deal with the huts because they want to use their hyperlanes in the outer rims so that they have an advantage over the separatists, but the separatists, they want, obviously, that same advantage.
• 45:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: So the separatists are trying to lead by Ducco, trying to paint the Jedi as hating the huts and trying to kill Roda,
• 46:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, just all of the inside hot backstabbing where basically Jabba was like because he was the leader, all of the other huts low key hate him and thus low key hate rota his son.
• 46:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: exactly what the twins plot line was going to be in this and it was exactly that, but it's like, you know, I guess that's not necessarily a bad thing, that it was what I expected on that front.
• 46:39
  [SPEAKER_00]: You're a star or a super fan and you're a movie super fan, so you're going to see patterns that people won't and so.
• 46:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think that either of us I mean like look I'm I'm far more casual Star Wars friend than you I'm not as but I'm also like I'm in this middle zone right like I'm not a casual in terms of like I don't look at this stuff at all especially after hanging out with you in the Star Wars kind of timeline back Yes, you know, should I say that again three times with it?
• 47:05
  [SPEAKER_00]: Well that's some in the pod.
• 47:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: Hey And I promise there's more public episodes coming but I've been doing the
• 47:14
  [SPEAKER_00]: No worries.
• 47:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: I wanted to say like, seeing this movie and making it predictable, I don't think makes it a worse movie for the target audience.
• 47:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: I do not think that we are necessarily the target audience.
• 47:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: No, and I think specifically the target audience for this movie was not existing Star Wars fans as it was like supposed to keep us satisfied enough, but this was mostly Disney wanted this movie to be for to bring in new fans, basically.
• 47:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 47:47
  [SPEAKER_00]: Hey, it was it was for two things, right?
• 47:49
  [SPEAKER_00]: It was it was new and returning, right?
• 47:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's like, hey, remember how fun it was to go see Star Wars?
• 47:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: Here's some big explosions on screen.
• 48:00
  [SPEAKER_00]: And then you have, you know, the new fans of like, you know, you're a nine-year-old going to see this movie.
• 48:08
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's awesome, right?
• 48:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like you've never seen anything so cool.
• 48:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: Mm-hmm.
• 48:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 48:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 48:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: And that's also why I feel like it was pitched younger.
• 48:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: They did, they put in good money in the aliens and we'll talk about especially toward the end, where they, they favored practical effects over CGI in many cases.
• 48:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I really did that like,
• 48:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: The Grogo puppet has gone through some quite some developments.
• 48:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like we saw him doing the press tour, showed up at the Oscars and everything.
• 48:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: But what they're able to do with just the puppet alone now, with just animatronics is incredible.
• 48:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, he's very cool.
• 48:48
  [SPEAKER_00]: And the movements are smooth.
• 48:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: I love, I love every time he jumps up on something.
• 48:53
  [SPEAKER_00]: It feels like he's more like, yeah.
• 48:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: Now, they got squeals out of the theater audiences when he jumped up on like, yeah, man, there was like, what are you waiting for?
• 49:05
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and post we get a puppet show later.
• 49:07
  [SPEAKER_00]: But let's, let's, let's pop motion, actually.
• 49:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's stop motion, the robot fight, you mean?
• 49:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: I was talking about the Grgurgu and Inzelans.
• 49:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah, a lot of that was stop motion.
• 49:21
  [UNKNOWN]: Huh.
• 49:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's interesting.
• 49:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: But also puppets, yeah.
• 49:26
  [SPEAKER_00]: stop motion puppets.
• 49:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: All right.
• 49:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, a mix of stop motion and the animatronic puppetry and thought about that.
• 49:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: Got it.
• 49:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: Got it.
• 49:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: All right.
• 49:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: So the gambit is we've already saw this a million times now, but we're going to rescue a hut for imperial information.
• 49:41
  [SPEAKER_00]: So we go to now hudda.
• 49:43
  [SPEAKER_00]: You have some orbits on there.
• 49:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, so Nalhada is, they actually retconned where the Hutts originated, but Nalhada is basically is their home, it's like swampy and stuff.
• 49:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: So it's good for their physiology, fits there.
• 50:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: And a lot of people thought from the trailer that that moon that we went to Chicago, a lot of people were hoping that was going to be, we saw a glimpse of a moon hanging over Nalhada,
• 50:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: space Vegas.
• 50:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: But no, we stuck to, I mean, it makes sense.
• 50:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like, that it wasn't narced up because why would you have, if you're going to rescue a hot, why would it be on the moon to their own planet?
• 50:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's got to be somewhere else.
• 50:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: So,
• 50:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, nahhada is that's that's where like the home world of the hots, but again, Jabba was sitting outside of that.
• 50:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: He went to a desert planet, which is not good for the hot physiology and made himself king there, basically, presumably to get away from the rest of his family who we see here.
• 50:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: Sok.
• 50:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: They do suck, and I think we saw on the Clone Wars, right?
• 50:58
  [SPEAKER_00]: Wasn't there, like everyone, every time you meet a hut, you're like, this like, you almost feel for Jabba here.
• 51:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, no, exactly.
• 51:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like the whole kidnapping thing and stuff.
• 51:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 51:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: And they're all back having each other all the time.
• 51:10
  [SPEAKER_00]: He's the best of a bad bunch, right?
• 51:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because at least like, you know, when they made a deal with Jabba, he honored that deal.
• 51:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: And when they make a deal with the twins, they're playing both sides.
• 51:24
  [SPEAKER_00]: right and then they're going hey and the whole time there's a lot of act like I feel like yeah with the twins they should have my stashes because they would throw them they they absolutely would and I don't know if I love like job was an interesting villain and this was not as much fun as you're saying villain yeah
• 51:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I think it's interesting they're setting up a rata at the end of this to be on the side of the good, which I like, you know, I think there should be more, I like, I'm a, I have a soft spot for the Hudson general, so I want to see more, hot.
• 51:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: exploration of like the different you know because it like Star Wars like they do with planets so be like this entire planet has one One geology whatever actually granted and our solar system we do see that a lot While that we underestimate like the variety of climates on Mars for example, but
• 52:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: There is like, there's been, we've seen the huts have for sensitivity in past storytelling.
• 52:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: We've seen, I don't know, there's just so much more they can do with the huts.
• 52:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: So I'm glad that they are revisiting in that and, you know, reminding people it's not just Java.
• 52:40
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 52:40
  [SPEAKER_00]: And I appreciate that, let's talk about Rada.
• 52:49
  [SPEAKER_00]: What is it called?
• 52:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: Narshida?
• 52:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: No.
• 52:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: Sorry, what's the point that they go to?
• 52:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, no, Hata.
• 52:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: No, to get.
• 52:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, Shakari is okay.
• 52:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: So, here's a question about Shakari.
• 53:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: So, I am a nerd who does work with PDS stuff.
• 53:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: Wookie PDS stuff.
• 53:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: I always have lazy vowel pronunciations.
• 53:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: People when I speak Dutch people think I'm belted.
• 53:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: But, um,
• 53:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: uh... when they and wookie pediots been interesting to see the evolution of shikari is the name of this it's a moon but it's so unclear and it shouldn't be this unclear we know it's they call it the moon of shikari in the official star wars release stuff but then within it they call it one of the moons of shikari so
• 53:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: Is Shikari a planet with several moons?
• 53:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: Is Shikari the name of this moon?
• 53:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: What is going on there?
• 53:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: And that's another thing.
• 53:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, you're getting a little sloppy with the lore.
• 53:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: Please, you know, think about this, redefine this.
• 53:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, um, interesting.
• 53:53
  [SPEAKER_00]: Well, they really need salt there.
• 53:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: We know that they are they are struggling to have salt, they're paying people in salt crystals.
• 54:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: I feel like we're just where their word
• 54:05
  [SPEAKER_00]: What do you mean?
• 54:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: In the real world because they used to pay people in salt and like North Africa.
• 54:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: The military there, in like, you know, classical times.
• 54:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
• 54:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, sorry.
• 54:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: No, it's all right.
• 54:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: No, I was just pondering.
• 54:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: Um, they get to, they get to rata.
• 54:26
  [SPEAKER_00]: My god is this guy swall.
• 54:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: As soon as I saw him, I was like, what the hell are we doing here?
• 54:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: We have.
• 54:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: I love it.
• 54:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: I, I feel people are thirsting after him on the internet.
• 54:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: I hate that.
• 54:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: I hate that.
• 54:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: I hate that.
• 54:38
  [SPEAKER_00]: I hate that.
• 54:39
  [SPEAKER_00]: Don't ever say that to me again.
• 54:41
  [SPEAKER_00]: Please.
• 54:44
  [SPEAKER_00]: And I didn't even recognize, I saw Jeremy Allen way than the credits, and I was like, who's he playing?
• 54:48
  [SPEAKER_00]: Because I went in really cold to this.
• 54:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: And I did not even recognize his voice in here.
• 54:52
  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it's like a voice changer.
• 54:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but didn't even recognize like his cadence, which was interesting.
• 55:00
  [SPEAKER_00]: But he, what a character design.
• 55:03
  [SPEAKER_00]: I just don't even know what to say about it.
• 55:05
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like, that's why I put that joke in the intro like following his fitness routine.
• 55:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: Is that what he's gonna do for the new republic?
• 55:10
  [SPEAKER_00]: He's just gonna get all the shoulders swollen.
• 55:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I'm here for it.
• 55:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, let him, yeah, let him trace.
• 55:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: So I just want to show it where he's like count your macro's boys.
• 55:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: I love to them showing like because we haven't really seen the huts fighting on screen much, um, or really in live action at all.
• 55:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: So, uh, yeah, I love to see like how the, you know, they show his rolling maneuvers and like, what do you do with that physiology that makes you, uh, you know, a challenge.
• 55:42
  [SPEAKER_00]: Ten more reps, zeb.
• 55:43
  [SPEAKER_00]: Ten more reps.
• 55:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: It was interesting to see like toward the end when we have Mando and Embo fighting on one side and then we have Rada fighting his I mean technically their his cousins once removed I guess, but he called the man an uncle potato potato and yeah, it's just really interesting to see like the different you know, if you have different physiologies, how you fight differently.
• 56:10
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 56:11
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it wasn't interesting.
• 56:12
  [SPEAKER_00]: The effects were great.
• 56:14
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like, it looked great.
• 56:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: All the motion was really smooth.
• 56:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: I was just, I did not need the 10 pack of round of the HUD.
• 56:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: I was here for it, because I was just what I'm saying.
• 56:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like, I want there to be different types of HUDs.
• 56:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: They don't all have to be morbidly obese.
• 56:30
  [SPEAKER_00]: look, they have an extremely different physiology, but they also get fucking ripped.
• 56:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: They can, of course they can, why not?
• 56:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, there's muscle underneath the thick skin and blubber.
• 56:42
  [SPEAKER_00]: But they also get ripped.
• 56:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: All right, well, anything else on, I see you have this note about John Favreau.
• 56:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: Um, oh, that's yeah, that it was the moon of Shikari was intentionally designed to represent, and this comes from the Star Wars.com trivia.
• 57:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: It was resembles prohibition era Shikago, was inspired by John Favros, time in Shikago.
• 57:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: And it's fun.
• 57:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: They had some shoutouts to him, like the Martin Scrocessy character.
• 57:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: Hugo, which Hugo, by the way, name of a Martin Scrocessy movie.
• 57:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: funny to see Martin Scresese show up here because famously like 10 years ago he was really poo poo about like Marvel and Star Wars movies.
• 57:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, the food truck thing I think that that is a reference to John Favros movie chef, which is about a food truck and they make similar sandwiches.
• 57:39
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's cool.
• 57:40
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I thought Martin's first season was really great in this.
• 57:43
  [SPEAKER_00]: He was he was a lot of fun.
• 57:44
  [SPEAKER_00]: Didn't again, didn't know that that was him until I saw the credits.
• 57:49
  [SPEAKER_00]: But that character just in general was a lot of fun.
• 57:52
  [SPEAKER_00]: I really liked how the first time Mando asked for information.
• 57:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: He kind of gets scammed.
• 57:58
  [SPEAKER_00]: He's like, he's like, tell me about the huts he's like, don't ever say that.
• 58:02
  [SPEAKER_00]: And then finally, when he offers a more money, he's like, oh, yeah, he's on that poster right there.
• 58:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, to be fair, Mando, look around first.
• 58:11
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, not the most observant man to learn.
• 58:13
  [SPEAKER_00]: That said, his peripheral vision is suffering from this helmet.
• 58:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: Definitely, definitely.
• 58:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: There's also a fun video online with John Fevro and Roy Choy, the chef, where Roy Choy is the one who made up
• 58:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: the sandwich that Hugo, the Mark Zucker-Sessie character, makes in this movie, and it's cool to see in the video like how he really considered his physiology with the four arms and stuff, like how would he be moving around this truck and things like that?
• 58:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, I've nerded on the details like that, which probably made me appreciate the real film more.
• 58:47
  [SPEAKER_00]: You know, it was really cool.
• 58:48
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like I love seeing the designs of the different aliens as we go forward.
• 58:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: And I appreciate it that one of the big criticism and or was it was all humans, right?
• 59:02
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like it was like basically all humans.
• 59:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: And we're seeing a lot more like variety in the galaxy of this movie.
• 59:08
  [SPEAKER_00]: And in the Mandalorian generally.
• 59:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, agreed, agreed, yeah.
• 59:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: And this was also when they show up on Chikari's when the synth soundtrack kicks in.
• 59:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: And it's fun, like, the whole theater is like, oh, buckle up, here we go.
• 59:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: Just the way music has that effect on people.
• 59:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
• 59:29
  [SPEAKER_00]: I love the whole scene of, you know, I feel like Rada is such a dude, bro.
• 59:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: He's basically like a frapp, bro.
• 59:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: Sure.
• 59:38
  [SPEAKER_00]: He's hot right he's a dude my and another we're gonna kill me you got to listen to me We're John who is over here
• 59:48
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's a good gambit to get him to capture Lord Johnny, then he gets back to Sigourney Weaver and Sigourney Weaver is like you're still so reckless and you ruined our intelligence relationship And he's like nothing will ever go wrong.
• 1:00:02
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm gonna save You know, we got Lord Johnny.
• 1:00:05
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm gonna save Rada And I'm just gonna go off and be my Mendo self.
• 1:00:11
  [SPEAKER_00]: Also, I'm keeping the ship.
• 1:00:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, I mean, as he should, and she's like, you work for us.
• 1:00:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: And he's like, I am a mercenary.
• 1:00:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: And she's like, wink, wink.
• 1:00:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: Of course you are, honey.
• 1:00:22
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, exactly.
• 1:00:24
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's those people who are like, they just can't commit to a relationship, right?
• 1:00:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
• 1:00:30
  [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
• 1:00:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: Weird.
• 1:00:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: I haven't committed this relationship.
• 1:00:33
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's been 10 years.
• 1:00:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: We have three children.
• 1:00:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: Mm-hmm.
• 1:00:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.
• 1:00:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's a common law, new republic soldier.
• 1:00:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's right.
• 1:00:42
  [SPEAKER_00]: exactly.
• 1:00:43
  [SPEAKER_00]: But twist, Mando and Rado, of course, are captured.
• 1:00:48
  [SPEAKER_00]: Mando has to fight a dragon's think, but he gets rescued by Grogu and the other puppets.
• 1:00:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: The end zealands.
• 1:00:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the biggest laugh, I don't know if it was the same in your theater, but both times in my theaters, the biggest laugh was when a Grogu builds like the little shelter for Mando to heal in
• 1:01:11
  [SPEAKER_00]: right instead of just accepting that it's too short he's just like fine
• 1:01:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: No, he's not baby, he was fine.
• 1:01:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: He was fine.
• 1:01:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: It kind of reminded me, you know, with the helmet on, he had the helmet, my daughter is doing softball right now and her coach's pretty funny.
• 1:01:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: And my daughter goes up to him, I was just happened.
• 1:01:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: She goes, why do I have to wear a helmet?
• 1:01:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: And he just takes a softball, like an inch of overhead and drops it on her.
• 1:01:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: And he goes, did that hurt?
• 1:01:39
  [SPEAKER_00]: She goes, no, he goes, that's why you wear a helmet that he won't do it.
• 1:01:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, question for you about this, this whole section where it's like the sort of grogu solo section.
• 1:01:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: This is seems to have been the most divisive amongst a bunch of people, where I saw a lot of people call it slow, and other people, and all of me I'm amongst the latter group, that found it delightful.
• 1:02:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: What did you think?
• 1:02:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: Did you think it's loaded down or did you think it gave grogu a chance to shine?
• 1:02:14
  [SPEAKER_00]: I really actually liked it because the first half of the movie I was like, we are three seasons in a movie and and Grogo is still just so useless.
• 1:02:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: What are we doing here?
• 1:02:26
  [SPEAKER_00]: I was getting really frustrated with Grogo and the first half of the movie.
• 1:02:29
  [SPEAKER_00]: Once he takes matters into his own hands, I was much happier with the movie.
• 1:02:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: Because it just...
• 1:02:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's one of those things where like you can have, you know, sitcom where there's no character development, but in a Star Wars show and movie, you need some character development to sell me on it.
• 1:02:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's a space opera, right?
• 1:02:48
  [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
• 1:02:48
  [SPEAKER_00]: So I was really, really happy the fact that Grugu goes and he's like, we are rescuing him.
• 1:02:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: He's going to go steal some fish.
• 1:02:57
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 1:02:58
  [SPEAKER_00]: I like the guy who fed him the fish.
• 1:02:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: I was a lot of fun.
• 1:03:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: good gaituri i guess because it looks like a gator and voiced by Stephen McKinley Henderson whom people might know as for instance i was talking about recently as the menta to in the first the first dune movie from um um vinaif vinauf
• 1:03:22
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's uh, he was great.
• 1:03:24
  [SPEAKER_00]: It was awesome.
• 1:03:26
  [SPEAKER_00]: I appreciate it that not everything has to be a trap that there are, and you know, you need those moments where you're like, okay, there's people, you know, look for the helpers kind of thing, right?
• 1:03:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like there's people willing to, you know, stand up in mild ways and ways that they can to authoritarian regimes.
• 1:03:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: Right, right, or the tools
• 1:03:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: Because that's what I think is interesting about Embo is that he, the bounty hunter with the circle hat for anyone who doesn't know this name, I keep saying, he doesn't believe in whatever the huts are doing, whatever, he's like, it's just a job for him.
• 1:04:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: And then I love at the end when it gets to a certain things that are going a certain way.
• 1:04:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: And he's like, oh, I'm Alty, this is beyond, this is no longer in my personal interest.
• 1:04:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's not ideological, it's work, but he's a kioso, which obviously, you can tell by the design, you can tell by the name of their species, our Japanese influence, and there is a system of honor amongst them, which they could have explored more here, but I don't mind that they kept him kind of mysterious and that is.
• 1:04:42
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 1:04:44
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think it was good.
• 1:04:45
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think it was a good balance, especially with this kind of self-contained story.
• 1:04:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, what do you think, did you find this too slow?
• 1:04:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: No, no, I was saying, again, I'm amongst the, I found it delightful.
• 1:04:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: I might have even liked, I probably like the second half better than the first half, which I seem to be contrary to what some other people are saying.
• 1:05:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, I would say if you've heard that, and you have doubts about watching it, then decide for yourself, because we're all going to have different responses to different things.
• 1:05:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: I really liked, as you said, seeing Grogo forced to act on his own and to show that he does have
• 1:05:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: the mind of not an infant in there.
• 1:05:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.
• 1:05:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it gets exhausting to have him treated as a baby all the time, right, especially I would you you write wrote in the beginning like did they remember that he's 50 right right.
• 1:05:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because at one point at one point Rott of the hut is like you yeah, when I was your age you like granted Rott of may not probably doesn't know how the species ages because we don't know and I don't think even
• 1:05:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: And there was, so there wasn't this blog post around the time that the Clone Wars movie came out that claimed, because Rada like Grogu is the first baby of his species that we've seen, so we're like learning how they age based on these two characters.
• 1:06:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: And there was a blog post that came out around the time of the Clone Wars movie that said that he was in the, that basically they were in a pouch, baby hotlets for 50 years, and then they're born as an infant after that.
• 1:06:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: But then that seems to have been completely overwritten by a comic called hyperspace stories, number six of anyone's curious.
• 1:06:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's an anthology thing, so you don't have to read one through five,
• 1:06:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: mostly focuses on grito ingratiating himself to go to Java, how grito the bounty hunter who shot second, how he became part of Java's bounty on entourage, but it also features Rada the Hut, and that says like he's a newborn basically and they've established like they have mom.
• 1:07:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: So who's Rada's mom?
• 1:07:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: We still don't know, but this would mean that he is technically younger than
• 1:07:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, that is interesting.
• 1:07:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: But they were babies at the same time, and I want that muppet babies sort of crossover part two.
• 1:07:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: My gosh.
• 1:07:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, well, you'll have to write into young Jedi adventures and have them do a flash forward, right?
• 1:07:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it wasn't a live yet then.
• 1:07:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: Although, uh, hot stew live for hundreds of years.
• 1:07:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: Jabba was like 600 something when he was killed.
• 1:07:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: don't worry when Rada discovers his for sensitivity in the next movie.
• 1:07:39
  [SPEAKER_00]: We're going to have a cross across over that for years.
• 1:07:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: I want for sensitive jeta.
• 1:07:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: I want for sensitive huts, but not Rada because he's something else.
• 1:07:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: Let's do swall.
• 1:07:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: There's two swall.
• 1:07:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: It'll be four sensitive.
• 1:07:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: You can be both, but let there be variety.
• 1:07:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: Have you seen people, this is kind of a related, but my attention span needs me to say this?
• 1:08:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: Have you seen the TikToks or YouTube shorts or whatever year on the videos of men going to the Star Wars lightsaber building area in Disney and women are commenting girls be patient.
• 1:08:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: This is their Sephora.
• 1:08:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, okay, I mean, it's I guess it's my Sephora too then I know I was I was like, I'll make sure would like this Yeah, I I don't own any light savers just because like
• 1:08:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: you know I actually didn't meet someone once who built his own lightsaber with real lasers but of course like you don't keep that and well yeah I'm sure you keep it in his living room but it's really like he'll only demonstrate it outside with nobody nearby or you know point it away from him because lasers be actually dangerous.
• 1:08:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: I would say so.
• 1:08:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: But then it's like, if I get one of those, I, you know, like, I love the hilt of the thing, but I don't want necessarily the, the, you know, plastic laser sword parts that you can't change or move.
• 1:09:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: It doesn't retract really or if it does it looks a janky.
• 1:09:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: So I guess like I don't have any light savers because I'm waiting for them to improve the real world technology.
• 1:09:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
• 1:09:22
  [SPEAKER_00]: I agree with that.
• 1:09:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's also like,
• 1:09:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's like the the cheap ones are awful and the expensive ones are so expensive and still, you know, it's it's never going to be a real light to you guys.
• 1:09:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: Let's just be honest with ourselves.
• 1:09:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 1:09:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, although I think it's cool when I see you see like in this is something I see, especially women learning maybe just because the algorithm feeds me that, but the whole spin effect, you know, in terms of like spinning it around your front and your back and stuff like, yeah, I would like to learn to do that that is so cool looking.
• 1:09:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: But I do appreciate the Disney in their park has made a, like a replica of, hey, pick your Held, pick your soundtrack or crystal.
• 1:10:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: Sure, yeah.
• 1:10:05
  [SPEAKER_00]: You know, I appreciate the attention to detail there.
• 1:10:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, I could see myself at some point having like ventruses, original lightsabers and which hook together to form this double lightsaber with an S curve in the middle.
• 1:10:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I could see myself like hanging that on a wall,
• 1:10:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: Hmm.
• 1:10:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: I can see there's there are a lot of good like replica wagons too, and you can get them with just like the HILTS.
• 1:10:33
  [SPEAKER_00]: So we bothered with it.
• 1:10:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: Someone was it's summary you if I'm saying that correctly was talking about a 3D printing Ventress lightsaber HILTS and was showing pictures on our discord.
• 1:10:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah.
• 1:10:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's cool.
• 1:10:47
  [SPEAKER_00]: But then you got to be good at painting and boy, am I not?
• 1:10:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think I'm too impatient for like the people who get like the war hammer figurines and paint them.
• 1:10:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think it's so cool.
• 1:10:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I don't like, okay, I'd say I don't have the patience for that.
• 1:11:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: But then I'll like build a whole clock out of wooden parts, which is just as tedious I suppose.
• 1:11:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: So I don't know, it just depends which you enjoy.
• 1:11:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
• 1:11:12
  [SPEAKER_00]: Well, the climax, Mando and Grugu are surrounded.
• 1:11:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: But don't worry, the new Republic shows up to blow up the huts.
• 1:11:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: Rotta decides to stick around with the good guys.
• 1:11:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so I mean, I thought that that I was really excited about the fact Roda sticks around with the good guys.
• 1:11:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: Um, now like this, of course, I'm glad they remembered Roda exists.
• 1:11:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: This, of course, raises the question like, what happens?
• 1:11:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: Where is Roda during the sequel trilogy?
• 1:11:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: But I'm even more curious about where has Roda been between the Clone Wars in this?
• 1:11:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: Because he says, he says, I was all alone when I was a baby.
• 1:11:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: And here's another one,
• 1:11:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: Do you remember your own lore?
• 1:11:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: Do we need Sam Whitware?
• 1:11:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: It was talking in a video about correcting Dave Filoni at one point.
• 1:12:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, I think honestly, Sam Whitware might know, remember the lore details better than the people in charge at this point.
• 1:12:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: But like, Jabba didn't die until just like a, he didn't die until just like a four or five years before.
• 1:12:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: Right, yes, return to the Jedi.
• 1:12:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: So where now they have to like some Star Wars writer has to retcon with they said in the movie about
• 1:12:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: brought up being alone that whole time and explained why he was not with his father who was still alive.
• 1:12:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, I am looking forward to that.
• 1:12:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: I know there's going to be, they're doing this new thing now and it's probably for spoilers, but it annoys me like they did it with the mall, shadow lord, and now they're doing it with this movie where they have prequel tie-in comics, but they're not releasing them until after.
• 1:12:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: So the first of these prequel
• 1:13:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: Why yeah, you're not going to sell any of them because the hype is going to be dead I mean, I'm sure people I guess the the thought is like people are like oh, I'm so into the movie I want more, but I just think yeah, indeed the hype
• 1:13:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: is hype and more going into it then like a month after it's come out you know like oh well we know where this goes like that's the thing with the with the mall prequel comics like we know where this goes I know that that characters demons is gonna die the for beginning of the show so why am i investing in this character right but also like you need to um
• 1:13:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: You need to be able to like have the kid go home and beg their parents for March, right?
• 1:13:41
  [SPEAKER_00]: And you need to catch that window.
• 1:13:43
  [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
• 1:13:44
  [SPEAKER_00]: I remember, you know, I don't really mess around with this anymore.
• 1:13:47
  [SPEAKER_00]: But when I was a kid, I really like Harry Potter.
• 1:13:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: And I loved the license games that like, we're actually not terrible.
• 1:13:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: Um, and I would like beg my parents after watching them feel like I got a play the game cube game Mm-hmm.
• 1:14:01
  [SPEAKER_00]: Will you please get me the game cube game and sometimes they would say us I think most of the time they would say us they were very good to me Mm-hmm.
• 1:14:07
  [SPEAKER_00]: But um, they uh, but like if if you waited two months, I'm out of forgotten about it.
• 1:14:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
• 1:14:14
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 1:14:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, no, I don't understand why they are doing this, but I'm hoping that the pre-chalmic will at least go into Roda's backstory more.
• 1:14:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, no idea what it's going to be about, like for instance, the mall pre-chalmic is actually mostly about Brendan Lawson, the one played by What's His Face, the Brazilian actor.
• 1:14:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: Oh my gosh, why am I blanking on his name?
• 1:14:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: Are you still there?
• 1:14:53
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
• 1:14:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: Wagner Mora.
• 1:14:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: Ah, yes.
• 1:14:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
• 1:14:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: But anyway, yeah.
• 1:14:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: So maybe this pre-chal comic will, I'm hoping it's going to focus on Rada.
• 1:15:04
  [UNKNOWN]: Right.
• 1:15:07
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that'd be great.
• 1:15:08
  [SPEAKER_00]: What are your thoughts on Embo?
• 1:15:10
  [SPEAKER_00]: You have some more stuff here.
• 1:15:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it was super cool to see him in live action just to answer the question raised by that guy next to me in the theater.
• 1:15:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: They clarified this in the Star Wars trivia that so Embo, he's always with this dog like wolf-like creature, the name of the species is called Ananuba, which obviously comes from Anubis, the Egyptian god.
• 1:15:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: But anyway, he had in the
• 1:15:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: which spelled exactly the same way as the name they ended up reusing to be one of the inquisitors.
• 1:15:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: So that Anuba is dead now because it's been like 30 years.
• 1:15:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: So this Anuba that he has now in the new movie is named Kibul.
• 1:15:58
  [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
• 1:16:00
  [SPEAKER_00]: So this is a different.
• 1:16:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: So it's a different, yeah, it's a different dog.
• 1:16:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: And Mark, yeah, I guess they don't really want to keep using that name because it's confusing because they're using it for a different character now.
• 1:16:12
  [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
• 1:16:13
  [SPEAKER_00]: Now that makes sense.
• 1:16:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: And it would make sense over 30 years that a dog like species wouldn't be alive anymore.
• 1:16:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, let's make sure we have six egg arms as well.
• 1:16:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, fair, but that makes sense in terms of where you, yeah, no, like how many, yeah, it makes sense, but you don't have to do with George.
• 1:16:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: The thing you could, you could, it's a fantasy.
• 1:16:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: You have dragons.
• 1:16:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: You could just have people with them.
• 1:16:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: Well, that was, yeah, we could, Dave, we should say.
• 1:16:42
  [SPEAKER_00]: Well, no, I'm just, I'm just saying in, you know, in the house of the dragon comparison.
• 1:16:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:16:49
  [SPEAKER_00]: George Martin, not George.
• 1:16:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, got to got to get it.
• 1:16:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 1:16:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so, but I mean, they didn't give us more ember lower, but it was really cool to see him in live action, and I hope that people are like, who's that so that we do get more storytelling with this character and his species?
• 1:17:10
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he's cool.
• 1:17:12
  [SPEAKER_00]: He's very cool.
• 1:17:14
  [SPEAKER_00]: I remembered him vaguely, but I did not remember what he was in.
• 1:17:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, so he was another one that was introduced in the Clone Wars and now has since been in, you know, various comics and things like that.
• 1:17:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: But like I said, he, my soft spot probably comes from the, the Ventress book where he is one of the bounty hunters that she temporarily teams up with.
• 1:17:39
  [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, right, right, right, right.
• 1:17:40
  [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so we've done it.
• 1:17:44
  [SPEAKER_00]: We've talked about the movie.
• 1:17:47
  [SPEAKER_00]: What do you think this means for Star Wars films going forward?
• 1:17:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: Since there are Star Wars correspondents.
• 1:17:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: Um, I mean, so yeah, as you said, you know, you wanted this to continue the story they've been setting up in like the TV show and a soka, which is set during the same period.
• 1:18:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: And the, the question is like, and this is why I don't want this narrative that this movie is a failure because Disney, the reason we got this movie and not the many other
• 1:18:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: and so we I was saying to you in David privately that I want this movie to do well enough that they feel emboldened to keep going but not so well that they're like oh we should do is just repeat the same things over and over.
• 1:18:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah episodic movies told the counts from home.
• 1:18:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
• 1:18:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: So I want them to hear the complaints that like we actually want to move the story forward.
• 1:18:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: We actually do want new characters and things like that.
• 1:18:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: But I want this to be enough of a jolt in the arm.
• 1:18:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: Especially now that we have new, yeah, I kept, I kept saying Bezos and you're like, I don't think that word me.
• 1:19:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: Iger has retired as Disney CEO.
• 1:19:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: We have a new Disney CEO and we don't know yet what he's going to do with Star Wars.
• 1:19:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's another one out of the park side and they've placed the creative executive underneath him.
• 1:19:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: Um, but anyway, so I hope this gives enough, like, him enough confidence to green light more of the Star Wars movies.
• 1:19:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: So we know we're getting a so-called season two from this era, and that's definitely going to pick back up with a thromb story.
• 1:19:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: We were supposed to get Mando season four, and we were supposed to get across over movie with those two things.
• 1:19:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I was hoping that, um, that the skeleton crew kids would show up too, because that's also a set in this era.
• 1:19:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: So I'm hoping that they decide to go forward with that stuff after this and after a soka season 2.
• 1:19:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: We know we're getting star fighter next year as a movie which is a more original story.
• 1:20:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: And this one is set after episode 9.
• 1:20:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: So in the era 9, like we don't have anything set there yet, story telling lies.
• 1:20:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: So that's exciting.
• 1:20:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's a whole new world.
• 1:20:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, there's still like what happened to the ray movie that's supposed to be set during that era.
• 1:20:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: This Simon Kinzberg trilogy that's supposed to be as far as we can tell set during that era.
• 1:20:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: From the previous era, what about that?
• 1:20:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: Lando movie that Donald Glover and his boy for, sorry, his brother, what I see for you.
• 1:20:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's brother who we're breaking news here.
• 1:20:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: Um, uh, Rogue Squadron was, is another one that's like apparently still being, worked on, but like, I don't know where he's still like, if percolating in the background, or the one I care about most set way back at the beginning of it all, Dawn of the Jedi, James Mangold, apparently delivered a script.
• 1:20:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: We heard Kathleen Kennedy when she left.
• 1:21:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: when she left Disney and Lucas film, she's like, here's the tea.
• 1:21:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: We've had a bunch of scripts delivered and Iger keeps saying, no.
• 1:21:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: So here's hoping that this film gives him the confidence to be like, okay, let's green light more Star Wars movies and maybe more original Star Wars movies.
• 1:21:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think that would be great.
• 1:21:22
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think part of the problem with the Star Wars management right now is just the lack of consistency.
• 1:21:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like we don't ever know what we're gonna get.
• 1:21:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: in terms of screen right like we didn't get a movie for how many years yeah but that's because of all this bullshit yeah but that's what i mean is like you know you don't know when anything is coming you don't know you know what the status is with everything and that yeah they really shouldn't have been on rest right like it's it's it's not great for the fandom it's not it's hard to get excited for something if you're gonna announce and then pull things all the time or anything forget about them
• 1:21:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so I'm glad we're definitely getting a so-called season two and we're definitely getting the starfighter movie next year.
• 1:22:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: So I'm excited about those things and I hope that they are quickly moving along the next thing to full greenlit status and production, you know.
• 1:22:13
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:22:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: Here's a question though.
• 1:22:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: Do you think?
• 1:22:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like, with these far distant, like starfighter is set where it's set, like at least, let's see, 25 years, so it's set at least 30 years after this movie.
• 1:22:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: Will they ever let Grogo show up?
• 1:22:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: Do you think we could see an adult Grogo there?
• 1:22:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: And because like Rada, they have this cute model for baby Rada and we still got an adult Rada and that doesn't mean we can't get more baby Rada stories.
• 1:22:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think we should.
• 1:22:42
  [SPEAKER_00]: And nobody's buying the baby Rada plushy.
• 1:22:45
  [SPEAKER_00]: No one's buying the baby.
• 1:22:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: They put it out.
• 1:22:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: They would.
• 1:22:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like, no, they would.
• 1:22:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's adorable.
• 1:22:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: I would.
• 1:22:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: I would get a baby.
• 1:22:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you would.
• 1:22:53
  [SPEAKER_00]: You are not representative of like the child toy market.
• 1:22:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: All right, right in everyone and tell John his wrong.
• 1:22:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: You won't baby ride a toy baby rod is kind of sell even Moderately comfortably to be be Yoda if they don't know that that's not baby Yoda, but everyone call I know I know but if
• 1:23:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: If they had properly, like, of course, like, everything in the Clone Wars movie looks like shit, like famously, that movie looks like shit.
• 1:23:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: And they have advanced enormously in their animation since then.
• 1:23:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: But if they had like a properly animated baby rata, I think he was adorable, people would be into it.
• 1:23:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm sure they would buy it.
• 1:23:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: Positive.
• 1:23:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: I could see my daughter looking at that and going, you know, what about your son?
• 1:23:39
  [SPEAKER_00]: He's you know, he might think it's a dinosaur and that might sell him on it
• 1:23:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, yeah, I think that if they're putting the people who are in charge of the merchant parks side of things, they need to think about where the pipeline of things they turn into merchant parks comes from, and it comes from the creative side, so they need to allow them to create and develop existing characters more and create new characters.
• 1:24:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: Well, though she's less annoying as an adult than she was as a president.
• 1:24:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: But it's okay, at least spoke when she was verse introduced.
• 1:24:22
  [SPEAKER_00]: Um, okay, so let's get to some listener feedback here.
• 1:24:26
  [SPEAKER_00]: Ken W. Rodin and said, hello again.
• 1:24:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: I absolutely love this movie, but I'm biased.
• 1:24:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: I have a Mandalorian tattoo, and I love Grugu.
• 1:24:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: Uh, but it could have, it couldn't should have been the next series in Mandalorian.
• 1:24:41
  [SPEAKER_00]: Neither of them have grown as characters, Grogo near the end, and I need to go back and watch the rata arc again in the Clone Wars.
• 1:24:49
  [SPEAKER_00]: Looking forward hearing from you, lot can W. Ken, I hope we didn't sell or anything for you.
• 1:24:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: I wanted to make clear, I did like this movie a lot.
• 1:24:58
  [SPEAKER_00]: I just, and I'm a bigger bill with you, Ken, it would have been better as season four of the Mandalorian, or like part, a three episodes of season four of the Mandalorian.
• 1:25:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean I understand why from a financial perspective they did this and I'm fine with them putting the Clone Wars movie is basically three or whatever however many episodes of the Clone Wars and this was I think I saw someone maybe a Star Wars explained broke it or no maybe it was New Rockstar's broke it down like this is why I think this would have been like six episodes of the series and like you know I'm happy for them to do this movie
• 1:25:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: but now, yeah, don't think that you can only make things that don't, like people get so loud enough noxious about things into connecting.
• 1:25:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I agree, a movie should be something that you can watch without having seen the stuff that came before, but it should also at the same time award the stuff you saw before, so that maybe someone new comes in and says, now I want to see the stuff that came before.
• 1:25:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I think that's what they were hoping with this, but it would have been more powerful if they had tied the story more.
• 1:26:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: the current seasons or whatever.
• 1:26:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: I hear you.
• 1:26:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: I, you know, Bocaton showing up would not have been a bad thing in my book.
• 1:26:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: I know how you feel about her.
• 1:26:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: You know, I think she's an interesting character.
• 1:26:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: I would have liked to see Bocaton.
• 1:26:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: I, I, I want to see more Bocaton.
• 1:26:24
  [SPEAKER_00]: Just to be clear, I just think she is full of it.
• 1:26:30
  [SPEAKER_00]: Um, okay.
• 1:26:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: So I just wanted to pull one thing from the discord, because I'm a sucker for scattershooting and Norl's provided.
• 1:26:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
• 1:26:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: Norl's wrote, Mendo and Grogu on the big screen rocked.
• 1:26:40
  [SPEAKER_00]: I feel bad for anybody watching at it home.
• 1:26:42
  [SPEAKER_00]: Agreed.
• 1:26:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: Hmm.
• 1:26:44
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm a sucker for all the spaceship shots from the slick dog fights to the Vibe hyper drive.
• 1:26:49
  [SPEAKER_00]: I love Grogu climbing things, keep climbing a little guy.
• 1:26:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: Mm-hmm.
• 1:27:01
  [SPEAKER_00]: Marty fuckin' killed it.
• 1:27:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: I need Marty's character, action figure right now.
• 1:27:08
  [SPEAKER_00]: Best role of his life.
• 1:27:10
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not sure he would agree with that.
• 1:27:13
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm fine, never seeing huts hitting hunting around in their incest cave again.
• 1:27:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: I love him to that actually.
• 1:27:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: They really gross me out slimming around all over the place.
• 1:27:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 1:27:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: And lastly, cash, cash that checks the gurney.
• 1:27:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you know, I agree with all of that except for I loved the hot palace it's earlier.
• 1:27:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: I was so cool to see them.
• 1:27:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, just like moving around their hot palace and like in their little dens of an equity.
• 1:27:44
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think, um, we should go right back to Naboo and meet Jar Jar again.
• 1:27:49
  [SPEAKER_00]: That would be really, really good for next movie.
• 1:27:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: Hey, I think we should, the Jar Jar actor is, um, but is with his Jedi name, Kel, anyway, yeah, we need more of that side of him.
• 1:28:02
  [SPEAKER_00]: No, I want Jar Jar.
• 1:28:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: Me, so want Jar Jar.
• 1:28:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: Me, so no hate Jar Jar as much as I have people.
• 1:28:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: But I understand the complaints, but also like the way people went after this actor is like, really uncool.
• 1:28:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: All right, well, that's the show.
• 1:28:18
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• 1:28:23
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• 1:28:30
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• 1:28:33
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• 1:28:36
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• 1:28:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: believe radioactive ramlings is still finishing up their coverage of the boys the final season and uh i think they liked it so don't listen to me about the boys because they uh i think they'll have more to say about it that would hype you up
• 1:29:03
  [SPEAKER_00]: Um, and you've got silo coming on Moose of Dust, right?
• 1:29:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, well, where's we're doing the, um, the Dune book stuff.
• 1:29:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: So, you can catch up on the Dune book stuff that's out now, working on the next installment of the Dune Book Breakdown, and we also recently released our reactions.
• 1:29:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: stuff to the first silo trailer.
• 1:29:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: So when there's new information about that, we'll do more silo coverage there as well.
• 1:29:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: And as I said, on the Star Wars can in timeline podcast, I have been focusing on putting out episodes for subscribers, but I do have public episodes in the works that's going to be a bit of a change in the way that works for various reasons, but I will put out an episode soon explaining that.
• 1:29:52
  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't remember what any of it is.
• 1:29:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: We have a lot coming.
• 1:29:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: House of the dragon is coming up quick.
• 1:29:57
  [SPEAKER_00]: We're going to do weekly coverage of that.
• 1:29:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: But the vampire list not even quicker.
• 1:30:02
  [SPEAKER_00]: I know.
• 1:30:03
  [SPEAKER_00]: I was getting there at least.
• 1:30:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: I had to warm myself up because I get very excited from the vampire list.
• 1:30:08
  [SPEAKER_00]: I can't just jump into that.
• 1:30:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: I bet I bet.
• 1:30:12
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm so excited.
• 1:30:13
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think it's going to be a really great season.
• 1:30:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm hoping it's going to take the number one slot in my show
• 1:30:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: it's theirs to lose after the last two seasons.
• 1:30:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 1:30:24
  [SPEAKER_00]: I know.
• 1:30:26
  [SPEAKER_00]: It was so good.
• 1:30:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: Sort of you got.
• 1:30:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: You did the publisher recently.
• 1:30:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, and we did a widows bay.
• 1:30:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's season check-in, which you showed up for cocktail hour.
• 1:30:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: It was so good.
• 1:30:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: It was so good.
• 1:30:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: It was so good.
• 1:30:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: It will do a wrap-up at the end of the season two.
• 1:30:42
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think that's best.
• 1:30:43
  [SPEAKER_00]: I was watching and I was like, it would be fun to like do a quick check in on this, but there's not a lot of substance to talk about.
• 1:30:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think there is.
• 1:30:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: I would have loved to have done weekly coverage, but yeah, there's just, you can't do it all because I unfortunately do not make my salary from doing this would love to.
• 1:31:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: So tell your friends to listen it.
• 1:31:02
  [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
• 1:31:03
  [SPEAKER_00]: And then if you want more sci-fi, we did project tell Mary pretty recently.
• 1:31:06
  [SPEAKER_00]: So go check that out.
• 1:31:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and um, there's going to be a spider noir one shot next week as well.
• 1:31:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: I've uh, it just dropped and I have watched the first couple episodes so far.
• 1:31:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm really digging it.
• 1:31:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: Seems like people on discord are really digging it.
• 1:31:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: It seems to be getting good reviews.
• 1:31:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: So tune in to spider noir on prime, not Disney.
• 1:31:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: All right, those Sony deals are really figured it out.
• 1:31:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: Well, so yeah, because we were having a lot of discussion too, because he's also, they've used the name Ben Riley for him instead of Peter Parker, but apparently, Alyssa was pointing out on our discord that it's because they Peter Parker count like drink and swear and stuff, and this Spider-Man definitely does.
• 1:31:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: There's rules.
• 1:31:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: You can have Peter go to dark.
• 1:31:58
  [SPEAKER_00]: You can only have him have black hair and bangs in the night, apparently.
• 1:32:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, there's the rules loose in when he is possessed by the venom syndrome.
• 1:32:10
  [SPEAKER_00]: Is that is that true?
• 1:32:11
  [SPEAKER_00]: Is there like a contractual thing that they loose?
• 1:32:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: Um, yeah, oh, yeah, definitely anyone who's curious about this, definitely check in on our Spiderman and Warren chats on the discord because, uh, yeah, there's a lot of discussion about this.
• 1:32:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's wild to me.
• 1:32:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like imagine you're drafting a contract and you're like, okay, but, but Venom.
• 1:32:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but Venom, yeah, I mean, yeah, because Venom is like, right, this is because that makes him a different person.
• 1:32:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's no longer Peter Parker per se.
• 1:32:38
  [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
• 1:32:39
  [SPEAKER_00]: All right, fair enough.
• 1:32:41
  [SPEAKER_00]: All right, well plenty of other stuff coming.
• 1:32:42
  [SPEAKER_00]: We're doing the death of Stellan for 11th of these month.
• 1:32:45
  [SPEAKER_00]: So if you're a subscriber, look forward to that.
• 1:32:48
  [SPEAKER_00]: And you can also listen to our second breakfast that was on open flame cooking.
• 1:32:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 1:32:57
  [SPEAKER_00]: All right.
• 1:32:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: Next month it is, I have to, I have to write my list tonight and I have not, I'm not writing my list yet, that was, I did, I did start it, but I'm having trouble getting a full 11 of what I, exactly what I want, you know what I mean?
• 1:33:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: I've decided what my thing for July is going to be, and it's, um, I completely changed course after our last discussion, so I will see what the next discussion does if it changes my course again.
• 1:33:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, June is going to be bullets for breakfast.
• 1:33:29
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's going to be, you know, we're going to, we're going to have some like action, gun, gun-based action movies.
• 1:33:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: All right.
• 1:33:37
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• 1:33:38
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• 1:33:40
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• 1:33:51
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• 1:34:42
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