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Craig Bolerjack on the NBA's potential new lottery system, His NBA title favorite, Sports Betting getting too out of hand (?) + more · The Sean O'Connell Show

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  Speaker 1: This is the Sean O'Connell Show. You were home of
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  Speaker 2: Let's get back to OC from the Murdoch Chevrolet Studio
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  Speaker 2: of ESPN seven hundred and ninety one.
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  Speaker 3: AM all right, We're offringing Craig Bowler, Jack the.
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  Speaker 4: Voice of the Utah Jazz and a four time Emmy
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  Speaker 4: Award winner.
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  Speaker 3: No big deal, uh man. The NBA making.
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  Speaker 4: A lot of noise right now with some incredible playoff series,
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  Speaker 4: but for the Utah Jazz not involved in that. You're
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  Speaker 4: looking towards the future. You're looking towards Mother's Day and
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  Speaker 4: the upcoming Draft lottery. Some big news around aj Debonts
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  Speaker 4: that we're gonna get to and the Daily Dump as
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  Speaker 4: well as he has extended his partnership with Nike, and
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  Speaker 4: there's some cool things oleociated.
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  Speaker 1: With that.
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  Speaker 3: We talked earlier.
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  Speaker 4: We started the show talking about the Utah Jazz being
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  Speaker 4: the sort of impetus, or at least being the poster
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  Speaker 4: children of the NBA's anti tanking crusade. That was a
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  Speaker 4: lot performative, let's be honest, disingenuous, We're ridiculous in a
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  Speaker 4: lot of ways deciding that the Jazz were somehow a problem,
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  Speaker 4: even though the league had had this problem for many,
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  Speaker 4: many years. But if what it has given us is
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  Speaker 4: the proposal they call it the three to two one Lottery,
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  Speaker 4: where they have now created a system that flattens the odds,
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  Speaker 4: expands the lottery to sixteen teams, and actually punishes the
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  Speaker 4: bottom three teams in the league by reducing.
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  Speaker 3: Narrods taking away a lottery ball from them.
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  Speaker 4: Maybe this will go a long way towards fixing some
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  Speaker 4: of what the league decided was a jazz problem, but
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  Speaker 4: really is a league problem with tang And we'll get
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  Speaker 4: to that conversation and much more about these playoffs with
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  Speaker 4: Craig Bowler. Jack who joins us now, Bowler, Welcome back
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  Speaker 4: to the show. How are you, sir?
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  Speaker 1: AOC Well, how you doing?
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  Speaker 3: I'm doing all right.
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  Speaker 4: You know, I got little kids that hit me with
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  Speaker 4: the h hit me with the cold that they brought
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  Speaker 4: home from school. But you know we're not We're not
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  Speaker 4: digging ditches buller. Yeah, you in this business. It it
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  Speaker 4: makes you sound pretty ridiculous for three four hours a day.
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  Speaker 3: But it's fine.
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  Speaker 4: I feel okay, I sound pretty bad. I wanted to
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  Speaker 4: pick your brain about this. This proposal that we're seeing
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  Speaker 4: from the NBA, the anti tanking measures that they're pushing
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  Speaker 4: towards the UH the general managers, the team presidents, the
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  Speaker 4: owners of all thirty NBA teams saying hey, this is
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  Speaker 4: how we think we can fix tanking this three two
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  Speaker 4: one lottery. I'm sure you've at least looked at the
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  Speaker 4: cliff notes. What do you think of the the broad.
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  Speaker 2: Strew Yes, i'd say, OC, there's some interesting, you know,
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  Speaker 2: potential you know, new rules here. I thought it was
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  Speaker 2: interesting they would expand the lottery to sixteen teams. You
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  Speaker 2: just mentioned about trying to flatten the odds that the
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  Speaker 2: bottom three teams would get the fewer you know, lottery balls,
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  Speaker 2: the ping pong balls, and it starts in twenty seven.
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  Speaker 2: The other thing that was intriguing too is the Jazz
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  Speaker 2: got caught in this too by protecting their pick and
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  Speaker 2: the teams. I thought this was maybe maybe the most
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  Speaker 2: important one, was that they the teams would now not
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  Speaker 2: be able to protect picks in the twelve and fifteen slots,
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  Speaker 2: you know, going forward, you know, they have to do
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  Speaker 2: something that would allow teams just to play on and
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  Speaker 2: not have to worry about what the what a former
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  Speaker 2: general manager or front office did five years prior, right
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  Speaker 2: to protect the pick, and that now you you inherit.
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  Speaker 2: So I thought that was intriguing. And the other part,
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  Speaker 2: they haven't handcuffed themselves. Oh see it in the sense
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  Speaker 2: of long term they look to see to experiment with
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  Speaker 2: this and then revise it or look at it again
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  Speaker 2: in twenty twenty nine.
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  Speaker 1: So that's probably a good thing too.
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  Speaker 2: Don't handcuff yourself or put yourself in a corner for
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  Speaker 2: such a long period of time. Cefees new proposals, how
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  Speaker 2: they work, how teams respond, and does it help, And
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  Speaker 2: I sure hope it does, because again it comes down
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  Speaker 2: just to fans need the best product on the floor
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  Speaker 2: every given night, and you know it's you made another
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  Speaker 2: point coming on and you know it's just not the jazz.
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  Speaker 2: This has been an issue for several years now throughout
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  Speaker 2: the NBA, and it just became, you know, more in
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  Speaker 2: the headlights this season because I think obviously this is
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  Speaker 2: a very powerful draft and a lot of teams were
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  Speaker 2: jockey and trying to you know, be in that top five,
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  Speaker 2: top seven pick selections. So I just hope it works.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not sure this is a perfect scenario. Maybe there
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  Speaker 2: isn't one, but you got to start someplace, and hopefully
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  Speaker 2: this will be the beginning of trying to, you know,
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  Speaker 2: calm this down.
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  Speaker 4: I probably got more upset than I had any business
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  Speaker 4: being with the Jazz being singled out this year with
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  Speaker 4: the largest fine, Yeah for tanking. I felt like that was,
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  Speaker 4: you know, pretty unfair, pretty disingenuous of the Commissioner's office
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  Speaker 4: and things like that. And because I have that sort
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  Speaker 4: of stance, I noticed a little kind of throwaway line
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  Speaker 4: in here on the new proposal. The League is also
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  Speaker 4: looking to expand their authority to enforce you know, these rules,
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  Speaker 4: and potentially that could be penalizing draft picks that could
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  Speaker 4: be larger fines. If I'm Ryan Smith in the Utah
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  Speaker 4: Jazz specifically, I want to know exactly what that expanded
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  Speaker 4: authority looks like, because I think the League has given
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  Speaker 4: us examples of the fact that they don't treat everybody equally,
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  Speaker 4: and I don't think I don't mean to suggest that
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  Speaker 4: they would continue to single out the Jazz, but I
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  Speaker 4: would want to know, if I was an owner, exactly
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  Speaker 4: what the league's authority really looks like.
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  Speaker 2: No, that's a great point oh see. Look, you know,
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  Speaker 2: on given nights, when you see suspensions or fines, they
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  Speaker 2: differ and you don't know really why if do they
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  Speaker 2: determine it on past grievances with another player or how
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  Speaker 2: he's you know, handled the situation on being kicked out,
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  Speaker 2: you know, with with multiple like you know, like a
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  Speaker 2: Draymond Green, you know.
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  Speaker 1: Gets gets talked about a lot about it.
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  Speaker 2: You know, him constant being tossed and how he's fined.
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  Speaker 1: But you make a great point.
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  Speaker 2: People may forget that the Jazz won that game in
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  Speaker 2: Miami that they singled out with a five hundred thousand
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  Speaker 2: dollars fine.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, I get it.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know if OKAC raised an eyebrow because they
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  Speaker 2: had interest in this draft obviously, and they're now awaiting
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  Speaker 2: round two with a clean sweeping around one. So yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I think it'd be smart for an ownership group governors
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  Speaker 2: of their teams to say, look, can you be more
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  Speaker 2: specific so we know what you know we're jumping into.
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  Speaker 2: H Not sure that the league will give them that
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  Speaker 2: type of insider look, but I think they should in
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  Speaker 2: case something like this jumps up again.
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  Speaker 3: Bowler.
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  Speaker 4: I go back to this time last year and all
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  Speaker 4: of us were hoping that the Jazz had maximized their
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  Speaker 4: lottery odds and it's gonna be it's gonna be Cooper flag,
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  Speaker 4: and it's Cooper flag or bust, and obviously didn't end
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  Speaker 4: up being Cooper flag, but that that draft was not
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  Speaker 4: nearly so deep as this one is. And by the way,
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  Speaker 4: the Jazz ended up getting Ace and and he ended
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  Speaker 4: up being a really great player, So we should we
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  Speaker 4: should adjust our expectations accordingly, I think. But this is
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  Speaker 4: a deeper draft, and the Jazz, we know they hold
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  Speaker 4: on to their pick, we know it'll be no lower
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  Speaker 4: than eight.
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  Speaker 2: Uh.
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  Speaker 4: And still you know you got your your percentage chance
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  Speaker 4: of being the number one and then you can get
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  Speaker 4: Aj and have that perfect scenario workout.
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  Speaker 3: But it feels different this time around that it does.
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  Speaker 4: Like as much as we love AJ Debons and we're
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  Speaker 4: so familiar with him, we got to watch his college
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  Speaker 4: career up close and personal, it's still I think this
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  Speaker 4: year feels a little bit different, like, hey, if we
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  Speaker 4: end up picking at five, six or seven, Whereas last
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  Speaker 4: year that was a disappointment, this year people feel like, hey,
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  Speaker 4: there's a good player there is that because it's that
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  Speaker 4: much deeper a draft or is it because of how
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  Speaker 4: well Ace Bailey worked out?
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  Speaker 2: Well, I think as a combo. But you hit on Ace. Look,
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  Speaker 2: you know Aces are wild. Use any cliche, he wont.
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  Speaker 2: But this young kid really developed quicker than most would
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  Speaker 2: have expected for a nineteen year old. And yeah, there
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  Speaker 2: was a huge disappointment that rang out. You know, I
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  Speaker 2: remember the night the draft lottery was announced. I'm thinking, Okay,
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  Speaker 2: here we go, here we go picking the number five,
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  Speaker 2: the Utah Jets. I thought, really, this is the reward
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  Speaker 2: after winning seventeen games last year, the worst record in
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  Speaker 2: the NBA, and that's all you can get. And then,
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  Speaker 2: of course Dallas had the injuries and the trade. Dancic
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  Speaker 2: goes to La and Kyrie the ACL and one one
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  Speaker 2: eight percent chance and Luca and it is all of
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  Speaker 2: a sudden forgotten. And now you got the Rookie of
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  Speaker 2: the Year setting right there. How about that Canipple, you know,
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  Speaker 2: finishes number two in the Rookie of the Year voting.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, incredible, incredible talents.
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  Speaker 1: Both of them.
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  Speaker 2: But I don't think there's as much panic oc to
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  Speaker 2: get to your point, because I think the development that
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  Speaker 2: we saw in these last eighty two games with the
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  Speaker 2: likes of Flip and the likes of of of Ace
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  Speaker 2: and Isaiah Caller Kante obviously, and Bryce sends a baw.
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  Speaker 2: I mean there's there's I think there's more comfort with
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  Speaker 2: the fan base thinking that this is a much deeper
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  Speaker 2: roster with multiple angles, multiple lineups that Will Hardy can
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  Speaker 2: use on a given night, that is, if they resign,
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  Speaker 2: you know, Walker Kessler. But I think that's the exciting part.
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  Speaker 2: And then the other flip side of this is a
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  Speaker 2: pretty intriguing draft. Uh. You know, most most most front
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  Speaker 2: office guys I talked to around the league, including the Jazz,
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  Speaker 2: I say do you draft by need or do you
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  Speaker 2: draft by the best player? And most of the time
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  Speaker 2: you hear we're going to take the best athlete, the
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  Speaker 2: best player available when we get to pick. So that's intriguing,
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  Speaker 2: and so AJ most likely is number one.
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  Speaker 1: Where do you go from there? Right?
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  Speaker 2: I mean the kids from Ku has since had some
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  Speaker 2: ups and downs. Darren Peterson, Cam Boozer from Duke. I
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  Speaker 2: mean he's in top top three, discussion top four. The
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  Speaker 2: Jazz have been kind of tied in with the kids.
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  Speaker 2: Caleb Wilson of Power Forward from North Carolina, Who did
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  Speaker 2: you twenty and nine? So there's a lot of talk,
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  Speaker 2: you know, but you just have to wait to see
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  Speaker 2: how everything falls into place. But I think the Jazz
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  Speaker 2: still will go with the best player available. Oh see,
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  Speaker 2: don't know if they're a position that the Jazz obviously
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  Speaker 2: are looking for. But again, and I'm saying that because
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  Speaker 2: I think Keyante made such a huge climb this year
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  Speaker 2: and to see the point guard of the future. Only
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  Speaker 2: a couple of people know that, and that in that
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  Speaker 2: includes the Age, both Angels and Justin Zanek and the
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  Speaker 2: ownership group and will Hardy.
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  Speaker 4: Craig Bowler, Jacks my guest here on the Sean O'Connell show,
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  Speaker 4: we're talking a little NBA basketball. So the context of
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  Speaker 4: all this Utah Jazz discussion, of course, we hang on
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  Speaker 4: an NBA draft lottery that is going to be taking
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  Speaker 4: place on Mother's Day and we'll see how it works out,
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  Speaker 4: and then of course you got to try to develop
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  Speaker 4: that draft pick. But right now we're watching NBA playoffs
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  Speaker 4: and there are a couple of teams in the West
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  Speaker 4: that have already closed out their series. Okay, see with
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  Speaker 4: the sweep, the gentleman's sweep from the San Antonio Spurs
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  Speaker 4: and Bowler.
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  Speaker 3: You know this better than I.
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  Speaker 4: Those are young teams still, those are the teams that
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  Speaker 4: you're chasing and you're trying to You're trying to climb
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  Speaker 4: into that atosphere with this pick for the Jazz and
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  Speaker 4: with development of the roster that you've got right now,
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  Speaker 4: when you watch what OKC and San Antonio are right now,
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  Speaker 4: I mean, how how steep is that climb for this
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  Speaker 4: Jazz franchise?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know the Jazz are chipping away, but it's
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  Speaker 2: it's a climb that you have to As you see
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  Speaker 2: in Oklahoma City, they did get the one player in
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  Speaker 2: SGA that kind of locked them to the next level,
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  Speaker 2: the next hemisphere, so to speak. The only thing that
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  Speaker 2: takes out the Thunder in my opinion, is injury. They
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  Speaker 2: were the best team that I saw all season long
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  Speaker 2: on both sides of the floor. Their defense was outstanding.
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  Speaker 2: That's why they won a title a year ago. How
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  Speaker 2: difficult is it oc to repeat? You know, just to
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  Speaker 2: get there at the Jazz ninety seven to ninety eight.
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  Speaker 2: Just to get there is an incredible accomplishment, but to
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  Speaker 2: win makes it even more impressive. But right now, I
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  Speaker 2: think the Thunder the best team in the NBA. This
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  Speaker 2: Spurs maybe played some of their best basketball after the
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  Speaker 2: All Star break, and then you have a potential upset
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  Speaker 2: here of maybe an moment if Minnesota goes on and
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  Speaker 2: knock off the Nuggets, and then you have to wonder
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  Speaker 2: about the future of what the Lakers and the Rockets
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  Speaker 2: are doing. But with Lebron, they could they could take
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  Speaker 2: that series against Houston, and that could make Houston kind
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  Speaker 2: of rethink where they're going. And why I say that
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  Speaker 2: is because, oh see, as you know, in the off season,
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  Speaker 2: everyone's playing chess. Move a piece here, move a piece there.
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  Speaker 2: I'll trade out here, and then you have to kind
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  Speaker 2: of redefine what you're trying to do. In the East,
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  Speaker 2: I still think Detroit's the better team the teams that
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  Speaker 2: I saw. The Celtics have to be talked about because
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  Speaker 2: they've been there, they've got Tatum back, and then the
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  Speaker 2: Hawks have been playing kind of surprising hoop. They're they're
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  Speaker 2: down in that series, but New York seems to be
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  Speaker 2: a little bit shaky. So that's why you play. I
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  Speaker 2: kind of love I love this time of year. I
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  Speaker 2: love the tournament, the NCAA Tournament and I love what
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  Speaker 2: I see in the NBA right now.
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  Speaker 4: Do you love the NA Tournament enough that you want
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  Speaker 4: to see seventy six teams in it every year?
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  Speaker 1: No?
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  Speaker 2: No, No, it's got you know what, I hope it
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  Speaker 2: won't happen. They're gonna they're gonna change you because it's
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  Speaker 2: it's just so popular.
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  Speaker 1: But you dilute it, you know what.
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  Speaker 2: That's why you play, Sean you you know you what
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  Speaker 2: do they tell you every day on the field?
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  Speaker 1: Man?
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  Speaker 2: You know, work hard, play hard, and gain and what
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  Speaker 2: the game is winning? And I just don't think everyone
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  Speaker 2: deserves to be there. In fact, I know they shouldn't.
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  Speaker 2: That's that's why you play, and and that's why you
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  Speaker 2: assemble the best teams you can. And that's why the
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  Speaker 2: Cinderella story is always good. Now if you add another
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  Speaker 2: one or two, okay, they think Cinderella will continue to
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  Speaker 2: live on. But you know, ask Big Tea about Cinderella
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  Speaker 2: in eighty three North Carolina State. Uh, those that's a
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  Speaker 2: team that will always be marked.
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  Speaker 1: Is so so special.
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  Speaker 2: With Jimmy Valvano, you know, I was lucky to play,
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  Speaker 2: not play, but thirteen years of NCID Tournament hoops at
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  Speaker 2: CBS and man, I had a couple of great games
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  Speaker 2: along the way. In Tackle Bell Arena at Boise, all
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  Speaker 2: four games were buzzer.
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  Speaker 1: Beaters to end to end it.
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  Speaker 2: I remember Great Gumble that day said, ring the bell,
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  Speaker 2: tackle bell, it was fun. I just don't want to
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  Speaker 2: see it.
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  Speaker 1: I just don't want to see it.
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  Speaker 2: Get so deluded that you know, what are you gonna do?
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  Speaker 1: Now?
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  Speaker 2: Well, we deserve there to We played five hundred ball.
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  Speaker 2: We deserve to be there too.
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  Speaker 1: No, you don't.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, this is why you play to earn the spot.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe I'm old school, but I know money talks, and
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  Speaker 2: that's really what it's all about. And well, you know
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  Speaker 2: someone's gonna have to make a stand, and to say
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  Speaker 2: you know.
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  Speaker 1: What systems to play in gives you a couple of.
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  Speaker 2: Outsiders right already. And I just don't think you need
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  Speaker 2: to overload it.
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  Speaker 4: And I know I'm getting a little convoluted here, but
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  Speaker 4: we were talking about how money kind of pushes so
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  Speaker 4: much of this change forward. And you're absolutely right that
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  Speaker 4: it's why the INCAA tournament looks like it's going to
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  Speaker 4: expand to seventy six teams. It's a big reason why
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  Speaker 4: the NBA feels like they had to react to some
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  Speaker 4: of these tanking things because they've got sponsorship partners, most
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  Speaker 4: of them in the sports betting world that didn't like
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  Speaker 4: what they were seeing with the tanking and the manipulation
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  Speaker 4: of results for their betters, their wagerers. And we're seeing
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  Speaker 4: a college kid, at college quarterback at Texas Tech University
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  Speaker 4: who's checking into a rehab facility for a sports gambling problem.
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  Speaker 3: I'm not naive bowler.
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  Speaker 4: I know that people have been betting on sports for
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  Speaker 4: a long time. Now, it's in your phone, it's in
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  Speaker 4: your hand, you got the apps, And I know plenty
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  Speaker 4: of people who can do it responsibly and it doesn't
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  Speaker 4: take over their life and they would never even think about,
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  Speaker 4: you know, putting themselves or their family in a bad position.
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  Speaker 4: I know athletes who like to gamble, and they would
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  Speaker 4: do it recreationally without ever even thinking about betting.
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  Speaker 3: On their own sport or their own team.
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  Speaker 4: But as we have accepted, as we have embraced sports
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  Speaker 4: betting as a normal part of American culture, the bleed
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  Speaker 4: over into sports and these point shaving scandals and these hey,
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  Speaker 4: that's a starting quarterback betting on his own team or
• 17:13
  Speaker 4: on his own sport. Maybe we shouldn't allow that, and
• 17:16
  Speaker 4: now he's going to have his final year of eligibility
• 17:19
  Speaker 4: taken away. Have we jumped the shark? Have we gone
• 17:21
  Speaker 4: too far with the sports betting stuff?
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: Uh? Sean in a in one word, I say yes,
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: But where do we go to pull ourselves back? Look,
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: I think everyone knew what they were getting into.
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: Uh.
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: And it's dangerous territory. You know, the betting is for real,
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: you said a great point. This has been going on
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: since day one, you know, the black sock sock scandal
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: of what one hundred years ago. I mean, betting is like,
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: you know, it's if you have someone two teams playing, well,
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: who's gonna win?
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: Well, I bet you they are.
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: You know, it sounds like.
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: A real simple to I'll bet you buck.
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: You know. Then all of a sudden it's grown into
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: what we know today, and it's parlays. I mean I
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: can't even understand half the stuff oc honestly that people
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: try to bet on different you know, different tangibles that
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: come into play. And I think why the league also
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: personally was concerned is that from my standpoint, on a
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: given game night and I wait for the final injury
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: report in the last twenty or thirty games of the year.
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: On some of those reports, combined teams would have twenty
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: or so players not available. And so I think you
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: make a great point is that that impacts what the
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: betting line will be the plus minus on a given night,
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: and so that that's the other issue is trying to
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: appease corporations and companies that are involved and also will
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: allow the fan to have what they quote call a
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: fair bed. But I don't get into that territory, man,
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: I can't. The NBA doesn't allow it for me, which
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: is good, and you know we have to, you know,
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: take a test and pass it every year on knowing
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: about you know.
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: Potential issues and people. Oh see, I'm sure even.
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: In what you do every day, what do you know?
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: O see, what's your inside scoop? I can't talk about that.
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: You know, that's just something we're not supposed to do.
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: And I get it.
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: But it's more difficult, I think, day by day because
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: it's such an integral part of the sports news and
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: sports talk radio. And it's difficult because it is such
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: a huge topic and a moneymaker right now, not only
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: in the NBA. We're talking baseball, NFL, college hoops, college football.
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: It's out there and it's it's it's a monster. How
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: do you attame it? Man, I don't know if you can.
• 19:53
  Speaker 4: All right, before I let you go, this one is
• 19:55
  Speaker 4: pretty unseious. But James and I are going to go
• 19:58
  Speaker 4: through an exercise where we try to make sure we've
• 20:00
  Speaker 4: got the right nicknames on all these Utah Mammoth players.
• 20:04
  Speaker 4: Is they're in a heated playoff series with the Vegas
• 20:08
  Speaker 4: Golden Knights, you know, still the team and some of
• 20:11
  Speaker 4: the roster are still new to the community, so we
• 20:12
  Speaker 4: got to make sure we're you know, Veggie's an obvious one,
• 20:15
  Speaker 4: but what about the other guys.
• 20:16
  Speaker 3: We're gonna go through an exercise. How many nicknames has.
• 20:21
  Speaker 4: Craig Bowler Jack bestowed upon a player and they've actually stuck?
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: Oh? Man, that's a great one.
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: Oh to see, you know, just with the jazz off
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: the top of my head. Two guys come into play.
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: I mean, hot Rod was you know, the the all
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: time best I.
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: Think money man with memo. He was blowing you know.
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: On his fingers and shoveling, you know, like you know,
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: handing out ten dollar bills or something. Every time he
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: knocked out a three, and then the.
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: Flame with Jordan Clarkson, you know, flame.
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: On Big T and I kind of kind of coined that.
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: A little bit.
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: And then when the player takes it and runs with it.
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: That's almost the intriguing part of it because he's hearing
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: that from other fans and friends as well. But those
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: who jump out the most, you know, nicknames come and
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: go several, you know, with with Triple J. Don't know
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: if we'll find something for him, but you know, he's
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: been in the league eight eight years going on nine,
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: so he's well established. But you always kind of look
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: at the younger players and see what like Bryce, Hey,
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: it makes sense since of all, you know, it just
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: kind of rolls off your tongue, you know. Yeah, and
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: you know the old days of the Ronnie Price, you know,
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: the price is right. I mean, anything you can just
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: to have some fun. Some fans roll their eyes, but
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: I think it's you know, nicknames kind of come with
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: come with a business, and it's almost as it's a compliment.
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: You know that the player garners that much attention and
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: that his play makes you, you know, coin a phrase
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: on occasion. But I love JC in the Flame and
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: memo the money and with some of the best.
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: You know, Carl came in.
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: With a mailman. Yeah, and stocked in the malone. I mean,
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: I don't know how many times hot Rod was able
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: to say that stocked in the malone, stocked in them alone.
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: But you couldn't say one without the other. That was
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: the beauty of that combo. And it's rare that you get.
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: The opportunity is to play by play anoliser, to have,
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: you know, combinations like that that allow you to build
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: a phrase that just becomes commonplace. It's stocked in the malone,
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: how to be in the Webster dictionary. I mean, just
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: as you know what you know, great combinations, you know,
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: great power forwards and point guards. But those two guys
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: built their own. That's why the statues are out there.
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: And look what they did on the floor. It's unbelievable
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: and it's fun. It's fun to see players grow and
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: fans will sometimes give them you know, that nickname as well,
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: and there's a lot of them around the league, which
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: is which makes it even more fun.
• 22:54
  Speaker 4: We Bowler can't tell you how much I appreciate your time.
• 22:57
  Speaker 4: I wish we were listening to you calling some jazz
• 23:00
  Speaker 4: games in these playoffs, but I think we'll get to
• 23:02
  Speaker 4: that sooner than later, after this, after this last year.
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: So uh, thanks again for your.
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: Time forward to October. Hey, by the way, take some
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: day quill.
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I need something. We'll talk soon, all right.
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: Thanks.
• 23:18
  Speaker 3: That's Craig Bowler Jack, voice of the Utah Jazz