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THROWBACK INTERVIEW: Malcolm-Jamal Warner, Candace Kelley & Weusi Baraka On The N-Word, Vulnerability, New Podcast + More · The Breakfast Club

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  Speaker 1: Wake that ass up in the morning, The Breakfast Club Morning.
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  Speaker 1: Everybody is the j n V. Just Hilaris Charlamage the guy.
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  Speaker 1: We are the Breakfast Club. We got some special guests
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  Speaker 1: in the building from the Not All Hood podcast. We
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  Speaker 1: have Malcolm Jamore Warner where you see Baraka and Candice Kelly.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome, Thank you, Hey, good to see you.
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  Speaker 3: How the brothers and sister feeling good?
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  Speaker 4: Life is good?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, good morning.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, that's about here, y'all just moved into.
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  Speaker 3: It was the first interview in our new studio. That's right. Wow, man,
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  Speaker 3: I love the name Not All Hood?
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  Speaker 5: Nah.
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  Speaker 3: Who came up with that?
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  Speaker 5: That was what you'll see?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't even remember for real, for real, Like
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  Speaker 4: I was just like, uh nah, Like Malcolm and I
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  Speaker 4: have been talking about just the concept of the podcast
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  Speaker 4: and how the diversity and who we are and also
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  Speaker 4: who we're not, right, So I was like, nah.
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  Speaker 6: Nah, Yeah, it feels like that was some I say,
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  Speaker 6: all black people from the hood.
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  Speaker 4: Nah exactly?
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  Speaker 6: Is it that where a lot of people come from
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  Speaker 6: poor and disenfranchised environments, but we are not our environment?
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  Speaker 4: Like it's just that we come from a bunch of
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  Speaker 4: different environments, you know, and I feel like, you know,
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  Speaker 4: a lot of media to portraying us either like your
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  Speaker 4: hip hop, you're your hip hop or pop culture right,
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  Speaker 4: you know, and now we're more than that.
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  Speaker 7: It's funny that you actually said that, Charlotmane, because I
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  Speaker 7: grew up in I grew up in La in the
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  Speaker 7: jungle wow. And my mother used to say to me, Malcolm,
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  Speaker 7: we live in the jungle, We're not of the jungle.
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  Speaker 7: So she was very clear on me having my sights
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  Speaker 7: further than just my neighborhood, which is why she put
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  Speaker 7: me in theater. And it was always trying to find
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  Speaker 7: things for me to do to keep me, you know,
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  Speaker 7: from just going to school and just hanging out, you know.
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  Speaker 7: But it was that it was a certain mindset that
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  Speaker 7: you know, she instilled in me, like Okay, yeah, we're here,
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  Speaker 7: but you know, this doesn't have to define us.
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  Speaker 8: And you know what, we are often recognized before we
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  Speaker 8: enter into any room and judge right, and sometimes you
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  Speaker 8: get the question that you know means you really don't
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  Speaker 8: belong here.
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  Speaker 2: So when that comes in.
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  Speaker 5: Can help you?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah?
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  Speaker 8: Right?
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  Speaker 2: Can I help you?
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  Speaker 5: Right?
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  Speaker 8: Right?
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  Speaker 2: Can I help you? Or have I seen you be
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  Speaker 2: here here before? Or what are you doing in this neighborhood?
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  Speaker 3: Yes, that's right. One, that's the one.
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  Speaker 2: Right, What are you doing this neighbor This is my neighborhood.
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  Speaker 3: Why are you here?
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  Speaker 6: Yeah?
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  Speaker 2: Why are you jogging here?
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  Speaker 8: Right?
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  Speaker 2: That you know that you just happened to my father.
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  Speaker 8: He would jog in the neighborhood and all the white
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  Speaker 8: neighbors would stop him when we first moved in, and
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  Speaker 8: they would keep on stopping him. This back in the seventies.
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  Speaker 8: So he finally just went to the police station and said,
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  Speaker 8: I just need to introduce myself so that when you
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  Speaker 8: guys stopped me, you know who you are, and it stopped.
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  Speaker 8: But that's kind of an example of what it means
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  Speaker 8: when people perceive you beforehand, and what you have to
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  Speaker 8: do to go outside of the box to keep improving
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  Speaker 8: who you are over and over again. So this really
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  Speaker 8: is just an ongoing conversation that we have, Malcolm, let's
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  Speaker 8: call a safe space, which it is just to say
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  Speaker 8: really what we want about anything about our experiences in America.
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  Speaker 8: And that's really kind of key to it too. We
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  Speaker 8: have people that are from diverse backgrounds, whether they're from
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  Speaker 8: the Caribbean or whether they're from all you know, Africa,
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  Speaker 8: but you come to America and there's kind of a
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  Speaker 8: thread And those are the types of stories that we're
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  Speaker 8: sharing to really change this mass narrative that's already out
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  Speaker 8: there about us.
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  Speaker 2: Creator shift is.
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  Speaker 1: A term hood negative though when people say hood sometimes
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  Speaker 1: it comes off as negative. I don't take it as
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  Speaker 1: a negative term. Is it a negative term?
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  Speaker 5: No?
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  Speaker 7: And I think, you know, part of the you know,
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  Speaker 7: the idea of not all hood is hood is not
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  Speaker 7: a negative term. Hood is part of the community. Like
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  Speaker 7: when we speak of the black community, we always tend
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  Speaker 7: to refer to it as if it's a monolist that's right,
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  Speaker 7: but they are all these different lanes to the black community,
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  Speaker 7: all these levels, all these different lanes, and oftentimes we
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  Speaker 7: don't have a space where we can actually, you know, discuss,
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  Speaker 7: acknowledge and deal with with all of those levels, all
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  Speaker 7: those lanes. So the hood is not a bad thing.
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  Speaker 7: We're not all you know, we're not Yes, we are hood,
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  Speaker 7: but we're not all hood. And the media, and I
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  Speaker 7: think part of it is the media tends to put
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  Speaker 7: more focus on one aspect of the black community. Thus
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  Speaker 7: we get all the stereotypes and preconceived ideas.
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  Speaker 4: And hood comes from like neighborhood, neigh right, and Dayla
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  Speaker 4: said it. You know, they called the hood because we're
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  Speaker 4: not neighbors anymore, you know what I mean, a lot
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  Speaker 4: of times we're not communicating with each other, right, but
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  Speaker 4: we we're trying to change that.
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  Speaker 2: I did get that question a lot though you have
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  Speaker 2: been a podcast. Isn't hood negative?
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  Speaker 8: So I understand where you're coming from. But just like
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  Speaker 8: they said, it's a neighborhood. I mean, I live in
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  Speaker 8: a place where I'm next to a lot of Indian neighborhood,
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  Speaker 8: Indian neighborhood, Jewish neighborhood.
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  Speaker 2: You can still call it the hood. People also associate
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  Speaker 2: the word.
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  Speaker 8: Hood we're just us, which really, yeah, we're black.
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  Speaker 2: So it's just one of those things.
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  Speaker 8: It's kind of some damage that the media, the pop culture,
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  Speaker 8: the news has done and really trying to define who
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  Speaker 8: we are.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I never took it as negative. It was always
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  Speaker 1: going back to the hood, to mean, I'm going back
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  Speaker 1: home to my neighborhood, right exactly wherever it was. I'm
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  Speaker 1: going to play basketball in the hood, which was my neighborhood.
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  Speaker 1: You know, I mean, I never took it as oh
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  Speaker 1: my gosh, it's a place. No, I never took it
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  Speaker 1: at that. I know a lot of people do, but
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  Speaker 1: that was always just like going home, you know.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, And you know, we were talking about this yesterday.
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  Speaker 8: That also when we talk about being African American, we
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  Speaker 8: talk about the trauma that's associated, like that's really all.
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  Speaker 6: You know.
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  Speaker 8: We have diabetes and high blood pressure and we're dying
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  Speaker 8: and the infomortality rate. But we're happy people too. But
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  Speaker 8: we make it to the news when it's bad. You know,
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  Speaker 8: we may often make it to the news when it's bad.
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  Speaker 8: And so that's another thing that I think this podcast does,
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  Speaker 8: I think for the three of us, is just show
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  Speaker 8: the joy and what it's like being black and because
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  Speaker 8: of the things that are going out there in this
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  Speaker 8: twenty twenty.
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  Speaker 3: Four Lord, every yeah, how did the three of you
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  Speaker 3: all come together? How did y'all get together? We will
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  Speaker 3: do the left yo, everything on you.
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  Speaker 5: Right?
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  Speaker 7: What you SA and I have been friends for she's
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  Speaker 7: for a minute, a long minute.
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  Speaker 5: Twenty plus years.
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  Speaker 7: We used to both be at the National Back Theater
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  Speaker 7: Festival in Winstern, Salem and where you and I met
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  Speaker 7: in nineteen ninety nine and we had put on the
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  Speaker 7: first poetry jam there and that turned out to be
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  Speaker 7: one of the biggest attractions at the theater. We used
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  Speaker 7: to call the midnight Poetry Jam. So after you know,
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  Speaker 7: all day of theater, you know, in every imaginable performance
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  Speaker 7: space in the city, then people would come back to
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  Speaker 7: the to our venue and we would pack out at
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  Speaker 7: midnight poetry Jam. It would just be open mic starting
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  Speaker 7: at midnight and we'd go to like two two thirty.
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  Speaker 4: And it was a big attraction, Yeah festival, and then
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  Speaker 4: we just kept hanging out yeah Yeah. And then I
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  Speaker 4: know link with Cannis from I was doing sort of
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  Speaker 4: community organizing and sort of it was a a event with.
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  Speaker 2: Ye Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: In Morris Town, New Jersey, and we connected there just
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  Speaker 4: sort of yeah linked And when macol I decided we
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  Speaker 4: were going to do this podcast, we're like, yeah, we
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  Speaker 4: need some different voices.
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  Speaker 8: In yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 8: And I do a lot of work, a lot of
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  Speaker 8: commentating on various mostly legal cases. I feel in for
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  Speaker 8: Roland Martin to Roland Martin unfiltered, and so I'm always
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  Speaker 8: running my mouth and when I got on with them,
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  Speaker 8: I think I ran my mouth for them to say.
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  Speaker 2: You know what, you want to keep talking with us.
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  Speaker 2: I was like, I actually do.
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  Speaker 8: So, you know, really in that first conversation, we talked
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  Speaker 8: about anything from and word to talking to music. I mean,
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  Speaker 8: we were just on for a long time and it's
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  Speaker 8: just a nice everybody was testifying, you know what I.
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  Speaker 2: Mean, it really was.
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  Speaker 8: It was just a good way to connect and get
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  Speaker 8: to know each other. And the conversation has been going
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  Speaker 8: on ever since.
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  Speaker 7: But the dope things. When Way and I first started talking,
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  Speaker 7: we're both older fathers. So the initial idea was to
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  Speaker 7: do a podcast from the perspective of older black fathers.
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  Speaker 7: So when we first met with Candis, it was as
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  Speaker 7: a producer.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, to produce this show, that's right.
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  Speaker 5: And then we had that meeting, was like, you know,
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  Speaker 5: ninety minutes, this is the show.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, We're like, we need to add candas as a
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  Speaker 7: host and expand the concept from just you know, the
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  Speaker 7: black father perspective.
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  Speaker 5: And it turned into yeah, and.
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  Speaker 8: I think your wife because your wife is in the
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  Speaker 8: background like that.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, what are some of the topics you guys will
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  Speaker 3: be discussing.
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  Speaker 4: Black fatherhood an older fathers with younger children?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, how you guys handling that?
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  Speaker 4: Yo? What did yours old your youngest so youngest. Only
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  Speaker 4: we only have one because I got.
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  Speaker 1: A two year old Sol, and then I got a twenty.
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  Speaker 3: Two year old.
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  Speaker 4: Fifty three, I got a nine year old.
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  Speaker 5: I got six, he got four.
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  Speaker 6: I'll be forty six and a couple of weeks my
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  Speaker 6: youngest two.
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  Speaker 3: I got a two year old, five year old, eight
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  Speaker 3: year old, and fifteen.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, so y'all started around when we started.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm fifty three and my daughter just turned seven.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, okay, so.
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  Speaker 4: You'll have a conversation we're talking about, you know what
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  Speaker 4: I mean, those those days where they be on, on,
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  Speaker 4: go go, you know what I mean, and you gotta
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  Speaker 4: just wrap your energy up and and make it happen,
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  Speaker 4: you know what I mean.
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  Speaker 3: Crazy you say that.
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  Speaker 6: My homeboy told me that a long time ago, beause
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  Speaker 6: you know, all my homeboys had kids way younger.
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  Speaker 3: Than I did, right, And they was like, man, you
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  Speaker 3: wait till you thirty plus forty to have kids. You're
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  Speaker 3: gonna be running around you need he's gonna be hurting, Like, no,
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  Speaker 3: he won't. Yes, they are exactly, but that.
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  Speaker 2: Doesn't some good come with that?
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  Speaker 8: You being older, so speak yeah, you know, being a
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  Speaker 8: father and not being twenty one I've been having growth
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  Speaker 8: yourself that you have to go through.
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  Speaker 6: Oh yeah, my last my two youngest get a version
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  Speaker 6: of me that did not exist ten years ago.
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  Speaker 5: Ten years ago.
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  Speaker 7: You know, I spent more of my adult life in
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  Speaker 7: long term relationship, more years of my adult life in
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  Speaker 7: long term relationships than not. And my wife and I
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  Speaker 7: have been together eight and a half years and not
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  Speaker 7: more than two days go by that I don't give
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  Speaker 7: thanks to the universe forgiving me the wisdom and fortitude
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  Speaker 7: to have waited as long as they did. A lot
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  Speaker 7: of people are like, he's never gonna get married, And
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  Speaker 7: I think at some point I probably thought.
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  Speaker 4: Like we said, have these conversations like yo, they looking
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  Speaker 4: at us like we you know, damnage goods like to mean,
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  Speaker 4: you thirty done and you don't got no kids? Not married?
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  Speaker 4: He got a problem?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, it's the best thing, and for me,
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  Speaker 5: it's the best thing I could have been.
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  Speaker 7: I would not have I definitely would not have been
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  Speaker 7: as effective a husband and father had I done this
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  Speaker 7: any earlier with anybody else.
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  Speaker 6: That is such a great conversation you never hear men
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  Speaker 6: have Like that's a conversation you always hear, you know,
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  Speaker 6: women have, but so you actually waited like you were
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  Speaker 6: actually waiting for the right.
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  Speaker 7: Know how many bullets.
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  Speaker 9: I've been since thirteen on TV, since thirteen, you know,
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  Speaker 9: I neoled my way out of a lot.
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  Speaker 6: At your circumstance was different, though, because you didn't know
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  Speaker 6: if people wanted to be with you all they wanted
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  Speaker 6: to be with you.
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  Speaker 5: Know what I mean?
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  Speaker 7: There was that because I've been doing it for so long,
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  Speaker 7: I've been really blessed with a great sense of discerning,
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  Speaker 7: So that was never my issue.
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  Speaker 5: To be completely transparent.
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  Speaker 7: My thing about marriage was like, yo, I'm not getting
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  Speaker 7: married and then given a chick half of my stuff
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  Speaker 7: because I messed up. So I was very clear that
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  Speaker 7: even though there were situations that you know, we're really
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  Speaker 7: you know, pressuring if you will, you know, like that
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  Speaker 7: kind of marriage, I was like nah, because I knew me.
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  Speaker 7: I knew that I wasn't going to because I wasn't
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  Speaker 7: I wasn't given half of my trap because because I messed.
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  Speaker 3: Up about you.
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  Speaker 4: It was about just being patient, like I know me,
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  Speaker 4: and I know that, like everybody's gonna be able to
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  Speaker 4: deal with me. As a community organizer who like really
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  Speaker 4: understands that the people around me that are close to
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  Speaker 4: me are gonna be okay. My work in life is
• 12:40
  Speaker 4: to make sure that other people are gonna be okay.
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  Speaker 4: So sometimes I'm I'm a little hard on them people
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  Speaker 4: that are close. Right, I'm gonna get out and like
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  Speaker 4: they're gonna have to take a back seat sometimes. Right,
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  Speaker 4: That was part of it. And the big part is
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  Speaker 4: like raising my child, the idea of like me getting
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  Speaker 4: married and having a child.
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  Speaker 5: You gotta be.
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  Speaker 4: Special, man, where you gots to be special? So I
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  Speaker 4: love you, Shelley.
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  Speaker 8: With one show where we have these two and Lamar
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  Speaker 8: Rutcker and I just sit back and I listen. It's
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  Speaker 8: like there could be some people that are taking notes,
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  Speaker 8: some women that are taking notes because they really I
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  Speaker 8: was like, this is some good, Like you said, I
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  Speaker 8: don't hear that a lot, just talking about fatherhood and
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  Speaker 8: just the humility and how proud they are and then
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  Speaker 8: all the rules and lessons that they learned in a.
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  Speaker 2: Long way when they were dating.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it really was no taking moment.
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  Speaker 3: It was good.
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  Speaker 4: You guys have boys or girls? Girls?
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  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, girl.
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  Speaker 2: I said that was kind of suspect.
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  Speaker 6: Girls different different, it's way different.
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  Speaker 4: He has four girls I got four girls.
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  Speaker 3: You know, I love it. Yeah yeah, I love it,
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  Speaker 3: and I deserve it.
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  Speaker 4: You know, they say, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 5: All of it. How does that change you? Having girls?
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  Speaker 1: I got four girls, Charlamagne's four girls, How does that
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  Speaker 1: change you as a father?
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  Speaker 5: I got two off, but some girls changing.
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  Speaker 7: So I asked the universe for a girl first. So
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  Speaker 7: even before, even before conception, we were very clear we
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  Speaker 7: were having a girl. And I know that I needed
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  Speaker 7: a girl first to kind of ease me into it
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  Speaker 7: because I've you know, I'm I have a pretty good
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  Speaker 7: idea of what kind of father I would be. So
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  Speaker 7: I needed a girl to kind of you know, slow
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  Speaker 7: me down and and and warm and softs me up,
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  Speaker 7: if you will. So for me raising my daughter, I
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  Speaker 7: came into fatherhood already with a certain maturity and uh,
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  Speaker 7: you know, certain understanding of male female dynamics, you know,
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  Speaker 7: and with a girl, all of that starts with the father.
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  Speaker 7: So I've always since she came, since I literally pulled
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  Speaker 7: her out of my wife, I've been focused on, you know,
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  Speaker 7: instilling in her the kind of love that she is
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  Speaker 7: not going to have to go out in the world
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  Speaker 7: and try to find, treating her with a level of
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  Speaker 7: respect at nine months old, that she will that that
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  Speaker 7: that kind of loves normalized.
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  Speaker 5: Right.
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  Speaker 7: That's always been my biggest thing. Like we see these
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  Speaker 7: girls out here who don't have a great relationships with
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  Speaker 7: the fathers, and you know, through our lifetimes we've been
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  Speaker 7: with a lot of them, Right, So I knew that
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  Speaker 7: the for me, the biggest gift that I can give
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  Speaker 7: my daughter is a sense of self so when she
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  Speaker 7: goes out into the world, she is not easily influenced
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  Speaker 7: by her surroundings. So since she was like two years old,
• 15:55
  Speaker 7: you know, someone says to her, Oh, you're so pretty,
• 15:57
  Speaker 7: you're so cute, You're so beautiful, She'll say thank you.
• 16:00
  Speaker 5: When I'm smart too.
• 16:01
  Speaker 4: That's how we run it.
• 16:02
  Speaker 7: That's the normalization I want her to have.
• 16:05
  Speaker 5: In terms of how she sees herself in characters.
• 16:07
  Speaker 4: Absolutely, you see, yeah, same thing, Like you know, it's
• 16:11
  Speaker 4: a it's a humbling space. Giving my daughter like a
• 16:17
  Speaker 4: different kind of vocabulary that's empowering to her so that
• 16:21
  Speaker 4: when she interacts, she knows she she walks and talks
• 16:25
  Speaker 4: from posician power.
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: Absolutely, you know, yet, hold on, can you speak of
• 16:31
  Speaker 1: that candid?
• 16:31
  Speaker 8: Yeah, Yeah, I come from a family of three girls.
• 16:34
  Speaker 8: And my father, I mean really just the king of
• 16:37
  Speaker 8: all things. They know all about my father. I told
• 16:40
  Speaker 8: a story already today about my father, you know what
• 16:42
  Speaker 8: I mean. So that is very infused in me and
• 16:44
  Speaker 8: my mother too, don't get me wrong, but since we're
• 16:46
  Speaker 8: talking about fathers, all everything that he poured into me,
• 16:50
  Speaker 8: and you know, sometimes you're doing something and you're like, oh,
• 16:52
  Speaker 8: that's my dad, what I did right there, that's my mom.
• 16:55
  Speaker 8: Like you can you know when they've poured into it,
• 16:58
  Speaker 8: when you see you doing things that are just like
• 17:01
  Speaker 8: what they did, and you don't even realize it. So
• 17:03
  Speaker 8: you don't even realize what the kids see and don't see.
• 17:06
  Speaker 8: But really, my parents really allowed me to see all
• 17:09
  Speaker 8: of the right things they really did, and parents generally
• 17:12
  Speaker 8: are always right, I mean really like it might be
• 17:15
  Speaker 8: twenty years down the line we.
• 17:17
  Speaker 4: Try and my daughter reminds me that bye bye.
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: Maybe not Yeah.
• 17:26
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 17:27
  Speaker 8: It really is powerful to have a powerful father, to
• 17:31
  Speaker 8: have a presence all the time, even when they're gone,
• 17:34
  Speaker 8: still there.
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: I think the funniest thing for girl dads is humbling, right,
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: meaning I was never in the cheerleading, a dance or
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: any of those sports. But now when I take my
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: daughters today, better get out, not be doing a dance mood.
• 17:55
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: It takes you out of that that ego place where
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: it's like now I'm gonna talk that now, right, I'm safty.
• 18:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah yeah.
• 18:01
  Speaker 5: I think when my daughter was born, I found myself.
• 18:03
  Speaker 7: Like crying all the time, went over like just simple
• 18:07
  Speaker 7: ship be like I had that touches me.
• 18:13
  Speaker 4: Like baby feet and baby dimples.
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: I was like, what is Oh, they're so cute?
• 18:23
  Speaker 4: Man, opened up a whole other world.
• 18:26
  Speaker 6: It's probably a stupid question. Way, but you hate poetry,
• 18:29
  Speaker 6: you laugh thing baracca?
• 18:30
  Speaker 3: You related?
• 18:31
  Speaker 5: No relation? No wow, no relation.
• 18:34
  Speaker 4: Okay, that's a loute to the arc. I mean all
• 18:39
  Speaker 4: the great things you know and to know the l
• 18:43
  Speaker 4: o g absolutely know Mary.
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: Now Father's Day is around the corner, do you, guys?
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: As Father's Day important to you guys as much?
• 18:50
  Speaker 5: And for you? Is it important as you?
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: Because for myself I just just want to chill fall
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: that don't need too much. This is a little barbecue
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: the kids around. That's all I care about this day?
• 19:00
  Speaker 5: What is it for you guys? This?
• 19:06
  Speaker 8: Well, So my father is passed a couple of years ago.
• 19:09
  Speaker 8: He died during COVID but you know, thank you so
• 19:13
  Speaker 8: much and so but you know my husband, so you know,
• 19:17
  Speaker 8: I was, you know this morning, all right, we're doing dinner, right,
• 19:20
  Speaker 8: We're doing the house?
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: Are we doing that? We're going out?
• 19:22
  Speaker 6: You know.
• 19:22
  Speaker 8: It's one of those things where I just like, as
• 19:25
  Speaker 8: I tell my husband all the time, you know what,
• 19:27
  Speaker 8: it's not the it's not the birthdays of the Christmas
• 19:29
  Speaker 8: or there or the holidays that society has said. Just
• 19:33
  Speaker 8: be good to me on a regular Tuesday will be good.
• 19:36
  Speaker 8: But I do remember as my father and he got older,
• 19:39
  Speaker 8: it was really important because everybody was all over the place.
• 19:42
  Speaker 8: Everybody goes in their own lives. So it was good
• 19:45
  Speaker 8: to come back and give him that gift of time
• 19:48
  Speaker 8: because at some point, you know, you don't need.
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: Socks or clothes or TV or car. You don't need that.
• 19:55
  Speaker 8: What you want is stuff that's really free. Time, respect, love,
• 20:01
  Speaker 8: your energy, your opinion, all of that. So it's good
• 20:04
  Speaker 8: to come together for all of those things that cost
• 20:07
  Speaker 8: no money, especially as people get older.
• 20:08
  Speaker 5: But that wants to scratch off ticket you.
• 20:13
  Speaker 8: But you know what he wants to see you when
• 20:15
  Speaker 8: you give it to him, you know what I mean,
• 20:17
  Speaker 8: it's not the ticket, Yeah, but if.
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: He wins, you know, you don't want that out.
• 20:23
  Speaker 6: I'm talking about you afraid of being too honest or
• 20:25
  Speaker 6: too vulnerable on these podcasts because in this era people
• 20:28
  Speaker 6: get very loose. As you've seen, if people have a
• 20:33
  Speaker 6: certain image of you, you even care about that.
• 20:36
  Speaker 5: That's so it's interesting.
• 20:36
  Speaker 7: So you know, I've said that in interviews that this is,
• 20:39
  Speaker 7: you know, the most vulnerable and I've always been pretty
• 20:42
  Speaker 7: transparent in my art and my poetry and music.
• 20:46
  Speaker 5: But I don't I don't worry about it.
• 20:49
  Speaker 7: I got a good taste of it just this week
• 20:51
  Speaker 7: because we had our you know, first episode on Monday,
• 20:55
  Speaker 7: and we were having conversation about the N word and
• 20:57
  Speaker 7: I had a you know, I made it's really interesting
• 21:02
  Speaker 7: how many people we're not listening to what I was
• 21:06
  Speaker 7: saying and took my comments as I was, you know,
• 21:09
  Speaker 7: I was hating on j Cole. So it's things like that.
• 21:14
  Speaker 7: And then the way the Instagram, the art of dialogue.
• 21:19
  Speaker 5: And other Yeah, the way they worded that's the where
• 21:22
  Speaker 5: were in right, Like, So I was.
• 21:24
  Speaker 7: Like, ah, right, this is the reason why I stopped
• 21:27
  Speaker 7: commenting on i G first thing in the morning.
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: Malcolm mo say he stopped listening to J Cole.
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, let's play the listen certain the clip here, so
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: people undertake.
• 21:38
  Speaker 5: What what are you talking about?
• 21:39
  Speaker 3: Are you playing it in context?
• 21:40
  Speaker 5: Context?
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: Because I'm sure we don't have the clip off the
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: other clip.
• 21:43
  Speaker 5: No, so we're in context.
• 21:44
  Speaker 7: Okay, okay, dig it, dig it. So so many people,
• 21:49
  Speaker 7: you know, they just ignore the fact that I said,
• 21:52
  Speaker 7: I love J Cole and I said that most of
• 21:54
  Speaker 7: my favorite mcs you know, are guilty of the same
• 21:58
  Speaker 7: thing we're talking about, you know, perpetuating, perpetuating anti black
• 22:04
  Speaker 7: messaging in our black music.
• 22:06
  Speaker 6: So that was really my point. I don't understand. That's
• 22:09
  Speaker 6: when they lose me. How is that anti black? How
• 22:12
  Speaker 6: is that N word? Saying you don't like the N
• 22:14
  Speaker 6: word anti black messaging? Isn't the N word anti black?
• 22:18
  Speaker 6: That's what I'm saying. My perspective is so much of
• 22:22
  Speaker 6: our black music.
• 22:23
  Speaker 7: Today, like you take the Dope Beats Away and you
• 22:25
  Speaker 7: just listen to the lyrics lyrically, it's anti black message,
• 22:29
  Speaker 7: you know what I'm saying. And we talk about you know,
• 22:34
  Speaker 7: so much of you know, hip hop today that's trash
• 22:37
  Speaker 7: and whatnot. But you know, as I said, before they
• 22:41
  Speaker 7: grew up listening to what we were listening to. Right,
• 22:44
  Speaker 7: So we are complicit in, you know, the parts of
• 22:47
  Speaker 7: hip hop today that we don't like because they grew
• 22:49
  Speaker 7: up listening to us listening listening to the content is
• 22:53
  Speaker 7: the same. The scale set is just whack, right, which
• 22:57
  Speaker 7: is what makes it stand.
• 22:58
  Speaker 4: Out, as they didn't listen to what we were listening to,
• 23:01
  Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying. But I think that we
• 23:05
  Speaker 4: also had a broader We listened to music when there
• 23:09
  Speaker 4: was more than just hip hop. Hip Hop was not
• 23:12
  Speaker 4: the the juggernaut of music that it is now, right, Okay,
• 23:19
  Speaker 4: we like, yeah, jazz like like you would, you know,
• 23:23
  Speaker 4: like we was rocking the salt hall notes, you know
• 23:25
  Speaker 4: what I mean, and all these other things, right, you
• 23:29
  Speaker 4: know what I mean? Yeah, Like we had these a
• 23:33
  Speaker 4: lot of other influences that I think the youth of
• 23:36
  Speaker 4: today don't necessarily have aren't necessarily being uh promoted in
• 23:41
  Speaker 4: terms of yeah, in terms of balance.
• 23:43
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I get exactly what you're saying, because even the
• 23:45
  Speaker 6: other genres now are hip hop.
• 23:47
  Speaker 4: Right what I'm saying, Like, you know, it's countries, a
• 23:49
  Speaker 4: little bit of hip hop, you know what I mean.
• 23:52
  Speaker 7: And so much of it, so much of the hip
• 23:53
  Speaker 7: hop that gets the shine. You know, it's it's the
• 23:57
  Speaker 7: anti black message, but that's it's very rarely. There are
• 24:01
  Speaker 7: not many hip hop songs that are speaking love to
• 24:05
  Speaker 7: our people. Most of it is very threatening.
• 24:08
  Speaker 4: But is that the artists or is that the industry?
• 24:12
  Speaker 4: Both okay, and.
• 24:14
  Speaker 5: The end the result is the same.
• 24:15
  Speaker 7: The the the psyche on young black boys and girls,
• 24:23
  Speaker 7: there's the same whether it's the weather, but.
• 24:25
  Speaker 4: If it's young black boys and girl that's on the parents.
• 24:28
  Speaker 5: Yeah, sure, but all parents don't. All parents.
• 24:32
  Speaker 7: There's a certain luxury that you and I have in
• 24:35
  Speaker 7: terms of the time that.
• 24:37
  Speaker 5: We and our wives can spend with our daughters, right, but.
• 24:40
  Speaker 7: Everybody, everybody in all families don't have that. So we're
• 24:42
  Speaker 7: not talking about, uh, the psyche of young black kids
• 24:46
  Speaker 7: who have their parents very involved in their lives and
• 24:50
  Speaker 7: showing them balance. We're talking about the ones who.
• 24:53
  Speaker 4: Were Let's hold them accountable to the messages. My fault
• 24:58
  Speaker 4: this is that this is like.
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: I don't think you would you say J Cole had
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: the anti black message.
• 25:07
  Speaker 7: No, so so for me because Nigga has become you know,
• 25:12
  Speaker 7: it's become the staple in hip hop, like it's got
• 25:14
  Speaker 7: to be a nigga bitch. That's why I said in
• 25:16
  Speaker 7: that clip, I think there should be a moratorium on
• 25:18
  Speaker 7: both of those words in hip hop because it's it's
• 25:21
  Speaker 7: at this point, it's corny, it's lazy.
• 25:24
  Speaker 5: Everybody is using it.
• 25:26
  Speaker 7: So let's like, you know, you know, there are so
• 25:28
  Speaker 7: many brilliant writers and lyricists out there that it's like,
• 25:32
  Speaker 7: come on, let's let's let's stop our game. We don't
• 25:34
  Speaker 7: have to keep doing if everybody's doing it, then come
• 25:37
  Speaker 7: on do something different, you know. So my thing with
• 25:40
  Speaker 7: with with J Cole, it just I just got to
• 25:42
  Speaker 7: a point where I got tired of, you know, hearing
• 25:47
  Speaker 7: inward and being called inWORD in every hip.
• 25:49
  Speaker 5: Hop song I'm listening to.
• 25:52
  Speaker 7: And I mentioned J Cole because I love J Cole
• 25:58
  Speaker 7: and he's such an and an incredible lyrics that when
• 26:00
  Speaker 7: I hear him just gratuitously use either those words, I'm like, ah,
• 26:05
  Speaker 7: I mean kind of you know that I have to
• 26:08
  Speaker 7: tune out. Yeah, doesn't mean doesn't mean I like J
• 26:12
  Speaker 7: Cole or respect his artistry, his his pen game any less.
• 26:17
  Speaker 7: I just go all right, I'm d I gotta tune
• 26:19
  Speaker 7: out because it's not it's not doing it's not bringing me,
• 26:23
  Speaker 7: it's not feeding me.
• 26:24
  Speaker 6: So what about the album, like because and this is
• 26:27
  Speaker 6: the album that I say in the future is gonna
• 26:29
  Speaker 6: be two of the most important albums of all time.
• 26:31
  Speaker 6: Miss Kendrick Lamar, Mister Moralean in the Big Steps jay
• 26:34
  Speaker 6: Z four four four. The things that they're discussing on
• 26:36
  Speaker 6: this album, black men going to therapy, black men doing
• 26:40
  Speaker 6: right by the women. You know, uh, issues with our
• 26:44
  Speaker 6: father daddy, issues that we fix. Like, to me, those
• 26:46
  Speaker 6: themes are bigger than the language that they using. Even
• 26:49
  Speaker 6: you look at somebody like Tupac. To me, Tupac's themes
• 26:53
  Speaker 6: were bigger than the language he was using.
• 26:56
  Speaker 7: People keep saying that about Tupac, but like, and I
• 26:58
  Speaker 7: don't want to get into a whole thing about about
• 27:00
  Speaker 7: but yeah, I listened to his I mean listen to
• 27:02
  Speaker 7: his There's there's dear Mama, Brenda's got a baby, keep
• 27:11
  Speaker 7: your head up.
• 27:12
  Speaker 5: And then everything else is.
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: Not everything this changes this You got me got a
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: bunch of but you know, you know what this conversation
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: sounds like. It sounds like you know where you're younger
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: and your father said, oh you listen to that, hippiie
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: hoppity rap. There's a lot of positivity, all the positive
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: artists out there that are spitting right but right people
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: listening to music. Those same artists had the same problem.
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: If you think about ty lib Quality never.
• 27:37
  Speaker 5: Got on radio.
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: Most Death never got on radio. Tribe called Quest hardly
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: got on radio. We talked about a lot of those
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: positive rappers. It was the same thing back then.
• 27:45
  Speaker 4: Those artists might have a record or too.
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: Tell him did get on radio too. He did a
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: record to jay z Hot on the single just to
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: get by record, that's but it took him a long
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: time to get on record. Most definim didn't get really
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: on radio, to what miss fab fabulty. So a lot
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: of the things that we're talking about was the same thing.
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: Coming rarely got on the world, you know what I mean.
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: But it's the same thing. It's the same thing as
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: what we push Like back then, who's on radio?
• 28:12
  Speaker 6: Biggie t I, you know that name had social records
• 28:18
  Speaker 6: with socially redeeming.
• 28:19
  Speaker 5: Value, but the records on radio.
• 28:22
  Speaker 6: Like my dad used to always try to get me
• 28:23
  Speaker 6: to listen to the Honorable Minutes to Lewis Farrakon and
• 28:26
  Speaker 6: I would sorta reluctantly. When I heard Biggie say deep
• 28:30
  Speaker 6: like the mind of Farrakhn, I'm like, oh, that's the
• 28:33
  Speaker 6: brother my daddy's always trying to get me.
• 28:35
  Speaker 5: So now I really like he was speaking to you.
• 28:38
  Speaker 6: Yeah, d farra CON's a prophet. I think you ought
• 28:41
  Speaker 6: to listen to it, like, oh, let me pay attention.
• 28:44
  Speaker 6: So even with the language of a Biggie or whoever,
• 28:47
  Speaker 6: they can still deliver messaging that makes you get in
• 28:49
  Speaker 6: the right direction.
• 28:51
  Speaker 4: Lauren says, what's the line?
• 28:53
  Speaker 7: Right, So you're ignorant, I'm trying to get to say. Also,
• 29:02
  Speaker 7: what what what I have to be mindful of as
• 29:06
  Speaker 7: well is respect politics, not even not not even that,
• 29:11
  Speaker 7: because that's a whole nother relation, right, But it's more.
• 29:16
  Speaker 7: I realized that it's way more productive across the board
• 29:20
  Speaker 7: and for my my own energy and space is instead
• 29:25
  Speaker 7: of spending time talking about the trash, talking about the
• 29:31
  Speaker 7: things that I don't like and I think we're all
• 29:33
  Speaker 7: guilty of, we talked about the negative. But I'm trying
• 29:37
  Speaker 7: to be more mindful, like even in my in my
• 29:39
  Speaker 7: conversations with hip hop, be mindful of well instead of
• 29:43
  Speaker 7: talking about the same thing, which is the negative let
• 29:45
  Speaker 7: me spend time highlighting.
• 29:47
  Speaker 5: What I like or like what I love about hip hop?
• 29:52
  Speaker 7: That right, Mum, I'll write hard for Mumbo Fresh all day,
• 29:58
  Speaker 7: but even just that, like yeah, thinking about you know,
• 30:01
  Speaker 7: Norman Sonist got I finally reposted on on Instagram like
• 30:05
  Speaker 7: seeing these cats I believe really need to have shine?
• 30:09
  Speaker 7: What stuff complaining that they don't have shine? I got
• 30:12
  Speaker 7: social media, Like, now I can actually, you know, give
• 30:15
  Speaker 7: shine to those And I've got I got a following,
• 30:17
  Speaker 7: I've got a voice, you know, I've got integrity, uh,
• 30:22
  Speaker 7: a reputation for integrity going for me, So like why
• 30:25
  Speaker 7: not just use that and spend more time, you know,
• 30:28
  Speaker 7: speaking about the giving love to the things that make
• 30:33
  Speaker 7: me feel good.
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: But I also think I have evolution to right, you know,
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: because I went to Hampton. When I used to drive
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: to Hampton, I'm listening to noise because it's keeping me up.
• 30:40
  Speaker 5: What what what? And I'm thinking I'm the biggest what.
• 30:45
  Speaker 5: But then when you get a little older, you'd be like,
• 30:47
  Speaker 5: that's a little noise, right, let me tell about.
• 30:50
  Speaker 3: I feel like listening to it when I'm working up
• 30:52
  Speaker 3: from the South workout. Yeah, but I also grew up
• 30:55
  Speaker 3: on goodie mob.
• 30:58
  Speaker 4: You know, and I think, you know, it's we've got
• 31:01
  Speaker 4: more of a balance, right as we get older than one,
• 31:03
  Speaker 4: we've got we've been exposed to more music, right, So
• 31:07
  Speaker 4: it's it's a little different now, you know. I mean,
• 31:08
  Speaker 4: like they still in the in the throes of what's hot,
• 31:11
  Speaker 4: you know what I mean. The how we access music
• 31:13
  Speaker 4: is different now because they're just like yo, you know,
• 31:16
  Speaker 4: point click right, and it's not necessarily about what's on
• 31:19
  Speaker 4: the radio. It's about what they want to listen to,
• 31:22
  Speaker 4: which is they've got direct access to that.
• 31:24
  Speaker 6: You know, can don't wan to as from a woman's perspective,
• 31:26
  Speaker 6: you know what I find interesting, right, you know, we
• 31:29
  Speaker 6: have these conversations, but I will never forget Snoop Dogg
• 31:32
  Speaker 6: and DMX's versus. Right when they did their versus, I
• 31:35
  Speaker 6: think it was during COVID, and I remember thinking, oh,
• 31:38
  Speaker 6: this is going to night that boy they finally listened
• 31:41
  Speaker 6: to Snoop and DMX and it's gonna be a woke
• 31:43
  Speaker 6: cancel fest on Twitter. But there was people in the comments,
• 31:46
  Speaker 6: the same people I usually see trying to cancel.
• 31:49
  Speaker 5: People loving it.
• 31:51
  Speaker 6: Right, Yeah, but how does that make you feel knowing
• 31:52
  Speaker 6: you came up in that era of the nineties.
• 31:54
  Speaker 3: Is it conflicting that you.
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: Know, not at all?
• 31:57
  Speaker 8: And I'm right in the middle with them in terms
• 31:59
  Speaker 8: of number I won, the N word and just this
• 32:01
  Speaker 8: whole idea of music and what it represents because I
• 32:05
  Speaker 8: know so I love Wu Tang and when I listen
• 32:08
  Speaker 8: to them, I get like a good energy out, not
• 32:11
  Speaker 8: just work out, but when something goes wrong sometimes that
• 32:13
  Speaker 8: music allows you to let stuff out, you know that
• 32:16
  Speaker 8: you just couldn't get out in the day when you
• 32:18
  Speaker 8: were with your peers, or when you're on the streets,
• 32:21
  Speaker 8: you just in the car loud with it. And then
• 32:24
  Speaker 8: I also think it's how were we brought up and
• 32:26
  Speaker 8: what do we bring to the table? So the N word,
• 32:29
  Speaker 8: for example, I mean, I don't know how you were
• 32:31
  Speaker 8: introduced to itever, but that's shaped probably what the word
• 32:35
  Speaker 8: means to you, and same with me probably saying to you.
• 32:37
  Speaker 8: And we all have different things that we bring to
• 32:39
  Speaker 8: the table, just culturally, and I think that just shifts.
• 32:42
  Speaker 8: And I'm a firm believer in the First Amendment, like
• 32:44
  Speaker 8: all the way, because once you start saying no here
• 32:48
  Speaker 8: and no here, then I'm giving somebody else the authority
• 32:50
  Speaker 8: to say no to me one day too, and I
• 32:52
  Speaker 8: don't want that precedent. I don't want them saying, well,
• 32:55
  Speaker 8: you can't say this and you can't say that just
• 32:57
  Speaker 8: because of the content of it or the context of it.
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  Speaker 2: We don't like it at all.
• 33:02
  Speaker 8: It's like when they try to bring up brack lyrics
• 33:04
  Speaker 8: when they go to jail in court. Right, I mean,
• 33:07
  Speaker 8: that doesn't make any sense. We all have the same
• 33:09
  Speaker 8: equal First Amendment rights and you should fight for them
• 33:12
  Speaker 8: and use them equally.
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: Let me ask you a question. Yeah, TikToker yesterday, I
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: seen it online. She said the N word, right, she
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: got fired from her regular job.
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: Oh, this was the girl who was cooking that young lady.
• 33:24
  Speaker 5: Yes.
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: And then in her comments she was.
• 33:25
  Speaker 3: Also white by the way, Yes, critical, But this is.
• 33:31
  Speaker 5: Where I'm gonna close it.
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: She said on her TikTok that she didn't apologize because
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: it was her first right amendment to say what she
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: wanted to say, and she shouldn't have got fired. What's
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: your thoughts on somebody like that it is her first
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: right amendment?
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but then there are three different rules.
• 33:44
  Speaker 8: There's First Amendment rules on TikTok, there's First Amendment rules
• 33:47
  Speaker 8: at her work, and then that's her own rules of
• 33:49
  Speaker 8: what she believes about the N word, and all of
• 33:51
  Speaker 8: them conflicted, and she got exactly what she deserves. She did,
• 33:54
  Speaker 8: But then that's what happened. That's why you do have
• 33:56
  Speaker 8: to be careful with it, right. You can't be on
• 33:59
  Speaker 8: TikTok saying it. I mean, this is a good example.
• 34:02
  Speaker 8: Person person, No, no, you can't. So you just have
• 34:05
  Speaker 8: to really understand how to use the First Amendment to
• 34:08
  Speaker 8: So for example, if you're the KKK, you can walk
• 34:10
  Speaker 8: march anywhere in America, you just have to get the permit.
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: You can't walk on your own. You have to follow
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: the rules. She didn't follow the rules. She she she
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: didn't follow her own hr rules at work, and that
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: was her problem.
• 34:25
  Speaker 5: She did.
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: That's right, Like you said, it's also where you came from, right,
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: because the N word was a sign of endearment, sure something.
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: It was that you know, you really didn't hear the
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: extremes of it until I went to Hampton in the South,
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: and you'll be like, oh, no, they're not saying it.
• 34:44
  Speaker 4: As right, right, And that's right rightferent ways, and that's
• 34:49
  Speaker 4: sort of been part, you know, part of my argument
• 34:51
  Speaker 4: for a lot of people. It's a term of endearment
• 34:54
  Speaker 4: like it's love. There are more interactions that are using
• 34:57
  Speaker 4: the word that are about love and that are about disrespect.
• 35:00
  Speaker 4: So you know, and yes, we know the history of it.
• 35:02
  Speaker 4: We also know that that's mine.
• 35:06
  Speaker 6: But I also grew up reading stuff like I grew up,
• 35:08
  Speaker 6: you know, Message to the Black Man by Elijah Muhammad
• 35:11
  Speaker 6: Bier Malcolm Max, a great book called From Niggas to God.
• 35:16
  Speaker 6: I think every black man in America should read that.
• 35:18
  Speaker 6: It's always been I've always been conflicted about using the work.
• 35:21
  Speaker 3: Be cause I don't use it as a term. If
• 35:23
  Speaker 3: it did, right, I use it. I use when Chris
• 35:26
  Speaker 3: Rock showed me the difference, I use it for that,
• 35:30
  Speaker 3: right Right.
• 35:31
  Speaker 7: There's a I think last time I was here, I
• 35:34
  Speaker 7: quoted doctor Daniel Black, and I'm gonna quote him again.
• 35:39
  Speaker 5: He says, why should I borrow a word.
• 35:42
  Speaker 7: From people who hate me when I'm trying to speak
• 35:45
  Speaker 7: love to my brothers and sisters. Right, So I go
• 35:49
  Speaker 7: back to uh to comrade, you know the term black
• 35:52
  Speaker 7: panther Party used Reggie Mason, you know, brought it back
• 35:56
  Speaker 7: up to me.
• 35:56
  Speaker 5: So I've been on this this.
• 35:58
  Speaker 7: Comrade campaign, like you know, if I'm trying to speak
• 36:01
  Speaker 7: love to my brother, will comrade, I get the idea
• 36:04
  Speaker 7: of you know, the N words, the term of endearment,
• 36:06
  Speaker 7: but it's a colonizer's word, so.
• 36:08
  Speaker 4: Language colonized, so like like it's not our language. English
• 36:14
  Speaker 4: is not our language.
• 36:14
  Speaker 5: Sure, but I'm not but I'm not going to use it.
• 36:16
  Speaker 7: I I'm at the point in my life where I question,
• 36:20
  Speaker 7: what's the what's the sense in using a colonizer's word was,
• 36:23
  Speaker 7: which was a uh, intentionally derogatory word to describe us?
• 36:27
  Speaker 7: Why do I want to borrow that particular word and
• 36:30
  Speaker 7: go through the the hoops of Oh it's it's positive
• 36:34
  Speaker 7: so for me and just so just for me personally,
• 36:37
  Speaker 7: I'm I'm comrade, you know, and and I use it
• 36:41
  Speaker 7: in both scenarios.
• 36:42
  Speaker 5: That's my comrade.
• 36:55
  Speaker 3: Anytime you also said, we showed our coach out hip hop.
• 37:04
  Speaker 4: And it's uh industry wise, it's sort of the bigger picture,
• 37:10
  Speaker 4: right because they did it the jazz like they co
• 37:13
  Speaker 4: opted it and used it for their own purposes.
• 37:17
  Speaker 7: But there wasn't messages and jazz that were going to
• 37:20
  Speaker 7: have an effect. I mean, ye, black people see them.
• 37:23
  Speaker 4: I mean yeah, I mean we sort ourself out. But
• 37:25
  Speaker 4: I also feel like, from a macro perspective, this is
• 37:33
  Speaker 4: going to be The civil rights movement created a lot
• 37:37
  Speaker 4: of opportunities and it shifted the mentality that made many
• 37:43
  Speaker 4: of us very passive. You know.
• 37:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I feel like I integrated my people into a
• 37:52
  Speaker 3: burning house.
• 37:53
  Speaker 4: Into a burning house, right, Yeah, we had it was.
• 37:55
  Speaker 3: More of a sentive independence. Yeah, I get what you're saying.
• 37:59
  Speaker 5: Mhm, people's.
• 38:07
  Speaker 4: Man, my godfather, don't call me and be like young man.
• 38:12
  Speaker 4: I'm like, you know, yeah, like it's it's heavy, it's
• 38:18
  Speaker 4: a lot, and I'm like, ah, you got me a
• 38:21
  Speaker 4: pinch right now.
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: I know what you originally said. You said that we
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: sold ourselves out.
• 38:25
  Speaker 5: Okay.
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: In terms of music on the podcast, yeah yeah.
• 38:29
  Speaker 7: I mean even I mean, you know, there was a
• 38:31
  Speaker 7: term and hip hop artists talk about it when the
• 38:33
  Speaker 7: record labels say to them, this is what you have
• 38:37
  Speaker 7: to rap about, and this is what we're paying for
• 38:38
  Speaker 7: you to write.
• 38:39
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 38:39
  Speaker 7: So it's you know, and again I say, in a
• 38:42
  Speaker 7: lot of ways, we are generation. You know, we are
• 38:48
  Speaker 7: complicit in what we see, you know, the state of
• 38:51
  Speaker 7: hip hop.
• 38:52
  Speaker 5: Uh in the younger generation. That's you know, we allowed
• 38:56
  Speaker 5: that for the dollars. I'm gonna get a T shirt
• 39:02
  Speaker 5: that says right.
• 39:04
  Speaker 6: You know, we had when Snoop was here, This was
• 39:07
  Speaker 6: a few years ago. We had a conversation about that
• 39:10
  Speaker 6: because that's always been on my mind as I got noted,
• 39:12
  Speaker 6: like damn, see the Lord stuck it was actually right,
• 39:15
  Speaker 6: and Snoop said she was, but it was the way
• 39:19
  Speaker 6: she was coming at us.
• 39:21
  Speaker 4: And again it's back to that First Amendment thing too,
• 39:24
  Speaker 4: you know what I mean, Like it's a layered conversation,
• 39:28
  Speaker 4: like you can't tell me I can, Like, where are
• 39:30
  Speaker 4: you gonna control my tongue like that? You know, I'm
• 39:33
  Speaker 4: an artist, Yeah, let me.
• 39:34
  Speaker 8: Do what I do and so and telling yourself out
• 39:38
  Speaker 8: means such a different thing years ago than you know.
• 39:43
  Speaker 8: A lot of it had to do with people not
• 39:45
  Speaker 8: even being informed, right educated on what they could could
• 39:49
  Speaker 8: not do, their rights, whether it was publishing, whether there
• 39:52
  Speaker 8: was First Amendment rights, whether it was their right to
• 39:56
  Speaker 8: own a certain right. You know that they should have
• 39:58
  Speaker 8: owned advances. Now these days, people are smarter. So when
• 40:02
  Speaker 8: we say that people sell themselves out, I mean it's negative.
• 40:06
  Speaker 8: But along the way, you should be selling something right,
• 40:09
  Speaker 8: You should be you know, in the marketplace. You should
• 40:13
  Speaker 8: be the monopoly that you want to be in the process.
• 40:15
  Speaker 8: So I'm glad the times have changed, right, but it's
• 40:18
  Speaker 8: definitely different when we talk about who we are today.
• 40:22
  Speaker 8: We are more informed in terms of and so we're
• 40:25
  Speaker 8: making more decisions, which is which is a good takeaway
• 40:27
  Speaker 8: when we're looking back at what was happening in the nineties.
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: But some of the times have you understand, Like we
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: had an artist up pit the other day. His name
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: was Rob four nineties from Louisiana, and he said he
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: signed a deal so he could get out.
• 40:39
  Speaker 4: Of the hood.
• 40:40
  Speaker 5: He knew that if he was still there it.
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: Would be problems for him, his family's mother and all that.
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: So I had to do the deal to get out it.
• 40:46
  Speaker 3: And I know even with.
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: Hip hop back then, a lot of artists that's the same, right,
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: that was their only way out right. Their music was
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: great and they didn't know anything out of it, that's right.
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: So people consider that selling, selling their soul, selling themselves
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: out for them, they look like, look, I'm just trying
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: to get out the hoods on that's.
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: Right, And if they had more information that would have
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: been better off. That's all.
• 41:03
  Speaker 4: Access.
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Access.
• 41:07
  Speaker 3: Had a couple of questions.
• 41:08
  Speaker 6: I want people to describe to the podcast, but when
• 41:10
  Speaker 6: it comes to TV and movies, do you have the
• 41:12
  Speaker 6: same discretion with the N word and the bware?
• 41:17
  Speaker 5: Yeah?
• 41:17
  Speaker 7: I mean I feel like if it's if it's you
• 41:20
  Speaker 7: mean in terms of using it, in terms of my
• 41:23
  Speaker 7: use of it or the industry's use of it both.
• 41:27
  Speaker 7: So I think I am I'm against the gratuitous use
• 41:32
  Speaker 7: of the words. Like, I understand all of the arguments
• 41:35
  Speaker 7: and all of the defending, but I think what's getting
• 41:38
  Speaker 7: lost is I'm referring to the gratuitous use of it. Sure,
• 41:45
  Speaker 7: we can talk all day about there are some circumstances
• 41:48
  Speaker 7: where that word is the only thing that really you know,
• 41:52
  Speaker 7: So I'm aware of all of that. But my my
• 41:55
  Speaker 7: issue was, I said, it's the gratuitous use.
• 41:57
  Speaker 8: Of it, because I would imagine, right that if you
• 42:00
  Speaker 8: get a tight script that takes place in the nineteen sixties,
• 42:04
  Speaker 8: what else scripts don't have the word?
• 42:06
  Speaker 5: Right?
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: So right, that's that's different.
• 42:08
  Speaker 8: And that's what we talk about a lot amongst the
• 42:11
  Speaker 8: three of us, is that it does have a place.
• 42:14
  Speaker 8: We can't just erase that of history, right, It has
• 42:17
  Speaker 8: a place you cannot do certain things without the word
• 42:20
  Speaker 8: coming up. It's just where you place it in your
• 42:23
  Speaker 8: own life, and that's where you play.
• 42:25
  Speaker 5: But I can't go do an August Wilson play period, you.
• 42:32
  Speaker 10: Know what I'm saying.
• 42:33
  Speaker 5: So I get all of that.
• 42:34
  Speaker 7: I think my issue is along with the I go
• 42:37
  Speaker 7: back to anti black messaging and our music, the gratuitous use.
• 42:42
  Speaker 3: Of the N word.
• 42:43
  Speaker 7: It's just you know, it's just for me. I'm just like,
• 42:46
  Speaker 7: you know, enough already, And again I said enough already.
• 42:49
  Speaker 7: But then I also go back to, you know, there's
• 42:52
  Speaker 7: so many incredible lyricists who have proven their pin game
• 42:57
  Speaker 7: is top notch, and I go, well, just like, elevate
• 43:00
  Speaker 7: the shit if all these corny motherfuckers are using nigg
• 43:03
  Speaker 7: and bitch in all of their.
• 43:04
  Speaker 5: Lyrics and then don't elevate the shit like show them.
• 43:07
  Speaker 10: And also when we're in our forties and fifties still
• 43:11
  Speaker 10: rapping the same shit we were wrapping in our twenties,
• 43:13
  Speaker 10: it's like that's not even you know, like like show
• 43:16
  Speaker 10: me some growth, right, like if you're not even giving
• 43:19
  Speaker 10: me any integrity in your art.
• 43:22
  Speaker 4: An evolution evolution, yeah, and growth, And I like I
• 43:25
  Speaker 4: just can't and it's not feeding my soul.
• 43:27
  Speaker 5: Can't do it.
• 43:28
  Speaker 3: I get you.
• 43:29
  Speaker 6: I want to ask you one question about respectability politics,
• 43:31
  Speaker 6: because you brought it up. The thing about respectability politics,
• 43:35
  Speaker 6: what if the person you're respecting is just truly yourself.
• 43:39
  Speaker 3: You're just policing yourself.
• 43:41
  Speaker 5: You're saying about respecting the white man.
• 43:43
  Speaker 3: And the system, but trying to make the system comfortable.
• 43:45
  Speaker 3: I'm just respecting myself. Is that still respectability politics?
• 43:48
  Speaker 7: So I bring it up all the time because whenever
• 43:50
  Speaker 7: we're talking about that, people go to, well, it doesn't
• 43:53
  Speaker 7: matter what people think about us, Like, I'm not even
• 43:54
  Speaker 7: talking about white people.
• 43:57
  Speaker 5: I'm talking about our own level of self respect. So
• 43:59
  Speaker 5: that's all it is. That's always the take that I
• 44:01
  Speaker 5: bring up.
• 44:02
  Speaker 7: But then it goes it always the conversation always leads
• 44:06
  Speaker 7: back to claiming respectability.
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: Bok No agreed.
• 44:10
  Speaker 8: You know, we have this conversation often where you know,
• 44:12
  Speaker 8: you go out, you're not even worrying about any other
• 44:15
  Speaker 8: race until somebody reminds you. So most of the things
• 44:18
  Speaker 8: you're doing, I'm just doing inside of myself. I'm not
• 44:21
  Speaker 8: really concerned about that. Echo what he says.
• 44:25
  Speaker 4: I mean, those are very specific and nuanced situations. Each
• 44:30
  Speaker 4: its situational right. I think that we've got to center
• 44:36
  Speaker 4: ourselves first. I think it's time that, you know, we
• 44:42
  Speaker 4: put black folks at the front and really center how
• 44:46
  Speaker 4: we move and making our movements based around, uh, the
• 44:50
  Speaker 4: greater good, the respectability politics. It happens. It's a it's
• 44:57
  Speaker 4: a reality of American culture. And some people choose to
• 45:03
  Speaker 4: engage and some people don't.
• 45:07
  Speaker 3: You don't seem like the type that's gonna have.
• 45:08
  Speaker 5: To engage with.
• 45:13
  Speaker 4: I love my people. I love my people.
• 45:16
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• 45:22
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• 45:30
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• 45:32
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• 45:32
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