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THROWBACK THURSDAY! (TYLENOL MURDERS) · Cosmic Peach

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to Throwback Thursday. So these are some of the
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  Speaker 1: oldies but goodies, the classics, and they are some of
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  Speaker 1: the episodes that are probably in the back of the
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  Speaker 1: just a warning, some of my thoughts, feelings, opinions may
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  Speaker 1: I may say something in these episodes that I don't
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  Speaker 1: necessary fairly agree with today. But these episodes are the classics,
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  Speaker 1: and I just thought I would do a little something
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  Speaker 1: fun for us. So welcome and enjoy Throwback Thursday.
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  Speaker 2: Trigger more, this podcast may including ilicit content that will
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  Speaker 2: take you out of your company zone and make you
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  Speaker 2: question reality. Listeners, this question is advised.
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  Speaker 3: So Brian has been new in your life?
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  Speaker 2: Oh boy? There to begin now? I've actually been very busy.
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  Speaker 2: I've been very busy. I think we already discussed the
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  Speaker 2: fact that I was involved in a drive by BB
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  Speaker 2: gun shooting.
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  Speaker 3: Was it was.
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  Speaker 4: It a b begun or was it it turned into
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  Speaker 4: some kind of air cannon BB gun that it's like
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  Speaker 4: a blunderbus style that they could it was either like
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  Speaker 4: machine gun style where they could shoot like fifty BB's
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  Speaker 4: within a second, or blunderbus style where they all just came.
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  Speaker 2: Out at the same time.
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  Speaker 3: And he has been.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, he was arrested, and that's in pre trial right now.
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  Speaker 2: This he's like, you know, this case is moving a
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  Speaker 2: lot really fast, and so well we gonna take about
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  Speaker 2: seven months, so we're gonna be I'm like, oh, okay,
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  Speaker 2: I guess it's just moving at the speed of light.
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  Speaker 2: Seven months. It's moving at the speed of government. Let's
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  Speaker 2: just put it that way. Yeah, moving at the speed
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  Speaker 2: of government.
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  Speaker 3: We all catch back up in twenty thirty and see
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  Speaker 3: if anything ever happened to the guy. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's already pled guilty to it.
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  Speaker 3: It's just.
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  Speaker 2: They know there was more than one person. But when
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  Speaker 2: they asked him for names, he gave the names of
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  Speaker 2: people who were like already in prison and stuff like that.
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  Speaker 2: He's like, yeah, Jacob's in the car. Jacob who Jacob lewis?
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  Speaker 2: And they look him up. He's already in prison. They're like,
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  Speaker 2: I don't think it was in the car at that time.
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  Speaker 3: Wow.
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  Speaker 2: So he's everything that he says is just bullshit, you know.
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  Speaker 3: So he's trying to cover for somebody.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and by the way, just so everybody knows, Jacob
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  Speaker 2: Lewis is a name I just made up off the
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  Speaker 2: top of my head. There's no Jacob flu Well, there
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  Speaker 2: probably is a million Jacob lewis Is out there, but
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  Speaker 2: none of them are the ones I'm speaking of.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, one of them is probably our listener.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's drinking his coffee, just spits it all over
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  Speaker 2: his wingshield as he's driving a semi down you know,
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  Speaker 2: Interstate eighty.
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  Speaker 3: Sorry about that, Jacob Lewis.
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  Speaker 2: No, So, yeah, that's going on. You know, I'm planning
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  Speaker 2: some trips and that's taking a lot of time. I'm
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  Speaker 2: redoing my kitchen right now. That's really taking a lot
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  Speaker 2: of time of doing it myself.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, Brian, don't even get me started on home renovations.
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  Speaker 3: They're like the worst nightmare, and but you feel so
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  Speaker 3: much better after they're done. Oh.
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  Speaker 2: I know that this is a lot time coming with
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  Speaker 2: this house. It hasn't really been updated in the kitchen
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  Speaker 2: for a long time.
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  Speaker 3: So well, and you know, I have a trip coming
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  Speaker 3: up next month and we'll go. You and I are
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  Speaker 3: doing another on site investigation, Yes we are. And since
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  Speaker 3: our last one went so well, and your co host
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  Speaker 3: David is also joining us for the on site investigation.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, you know, it's funny because we keep going to
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  Speaker 2: let's just see how this one goes. You know, I
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  Speaker 2: go into a completely open minded let's see what happens.
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  Speaker 2: But and I think that helps. I think it helps
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  Speaker 2: to go into these places like with no preconceptions of
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  Speaker 2: what you may think is going to happen.
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  Speaker 3: And then well, I will say something that we all
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  Speaker 3: agreed on for the last time site investigation is it
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  Speaker 3: doesn't matter if it's been renovated, Like you can go
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  Speaker 3: into a busted out window, creepy instilled like if it's haunted,
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  Speaker 3: it's haunted. M And so the one the on site
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  Speaker 3: location where we're going to next month is actually just
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  Speaker 3: a busted out window. It hasn't been renovated. They don't
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  Speaker 3: use it for shit, the tours and stuff, so we'll see.
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  Speaker 2: I've actually read that from other people that have gone
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  Speaker 2: there recently too, that the people that work there are
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  Speaker 2: extremely knowledgeable and really care about the place and just
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  Speaker 2: love to answer the questions and have a ton of
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  Speaker 2: information about the history. And I think that's that's a
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  Speaker 2: that's an event, and it's that's fun for me, just
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  Speaker 2: learning about places of the past and people used to
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  Speaker 2: live and all that.
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  Speaker 3: This is a self guided tour, so we're gonna go
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  Speaker 3: in with flashlights and courage only and fucking just bust
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  Speaker 3: down the place. You us and our family in a
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  Speaker 3: self guided tour, I think that's way better because we
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  Speaker 3: can just explore on our.
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  Speaker 2: Own and freak our own selves out. Exactly because at first,
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  Speaker 2: our dumbasses are going to be joking about everything. We're
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  Speaker 2: gonna did you see that hand behind the mirror? And
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  Speaker 2: next thing you know, it's gonna be the boy who
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  Speaker 2: grabbed Wolf because we're really gonna see something and nobody's
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  Speaker 2: gonna believe it. Somebody's gonna hear or see something, and
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  Speaker 2: you're gonna hear No, I'm serious this that I'm serious.
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  Speaker 2: God damn it, would somebody listen to me? Something is
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  Speaker 2: clutching my hair? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Guess what this place? And we're not gonna to disclose
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  Speaker 3: the location until after we go, but you're actually allowed
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  Speaker 3: to take pictures and videos in there, so that'll help
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  Speaker 3: we a lot. When I'm doing the freaking episode and
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  Speaker 3: I don't have three pictures to choose from because something
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  Speaker 3: German guy keeps screaming in my face.
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  Speaker 2: We will take the pictures.
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  Speaker 3: What is that in your house? It's like a tumble phone.
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  Speaker 2: That's the photography.
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  Speaker 3: But no, I'm really excited and I actually with moving
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  Speaker 3: and everything else in the world, I've been slacking off
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  Speaker 3: and you were kind enough to join me for an
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  Speaker 3: episode today and you shot down my first idea. So
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  Speaker 3: here we are, and we do. We decided, we agreed
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  Speaker 3: upon a topic.
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  Speaker 2: And be fair everyone, I was given a list and
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  Speaker 2: I didn't shoot down anything. But out of the list, well,
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  Speaker 2: you know what, I didn't really shoot that first topic down.
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  Speaker 2: It was more like I wasn't finding what I wanted
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  Speaker 2: to find. So then you had that list and I'm like,
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  Speaker 2: I had never heard of this before, which is strange, right,
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  Speaker 2: And then I'm like, that is actually really interesting. So
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  Speaker 2: unfortunately we're doing, like we always do, one of these
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  Speaker 2: things that has never been officially solved.
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  Speaker 3: But that's what makes it so wonderful.
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  Speaker 2: I know, it is interesting to see what will happen.
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  Speaker 2: This is one of those things where I wonder if
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  Speaker 2: somebody's ever going to come out with like a confession
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  Speaker 2: at some point or you know, I know they have DNA,
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  Speaker 2: So is it actually going to match up with somebody
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  Speaker 2: we'll see.
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  Speaker 3: I think you're going to fight me on my conclusion. Maybe,
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  Speaker 3: And that's why I have a whole presentation to prove
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  Speaker 3: to you why I can't.
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  Speaker 2: I hope I have enough to back up anything that
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  Speaker 2: I'm gonna say. So we'll say you need to.
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  Speaker 3: Have enough to back up why you don't agree with
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  Speaker 3: my conclusion at least? Okay, but you should clue the
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  Speaker 3: listeners in. The topic that we decided on is the Chicago,
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  Speaker 3: Thailand all murders.
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  Speaker 2: And just when you thought you were safe, your own
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  Speaker 2: medicine cabinet's gonna kill you. Thought you could be safe
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  Speaker 2: at home, but now you open your own goddamn that's
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  Speaker 2: cabinet and it's going.
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  Speaker 3: To kill you and indiscriminately kill you. So I kind
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  Speaker 3: of have some notes and I'm going to go through
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  Speaker 3: them as we talk tonight and we can just jump
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  Speaker 3: right in. So Chicago nineteen eighties, Thailand all is literally
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  Speaker 3: murdering people. And it was actually early on the morning
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  Speaker 3: of September twenty ninth, nineteen eighty two, a tragic medical
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  Speaker 3: mystery began with a sore throat in a runny nose.
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  Speaker 3: I don't take thailand Al for runny noses. I don't
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  Speaker 3: know about you, but maybe the.
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  Speaker 2: Sore throat, yeah, well that's the only thing I can
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  Speaker 2: think of. And maybe if you were like slightly feverish
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  Speaker 2: or something, right, Because this just so you guys know,
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  Speaker 2: Thailandol is a brand name for a seed of medaphine,
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  Speaker 2: but it's a specific It's Johnson and Johnson's brand name
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  Speaker 2: for a seed of metaphine, which most of us know
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  Speaker 2: because they have a huge market share of that, but
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  Speaker 2: just to be very specific, it is.
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  Speaker 3: Constin and Johnson's thailand All specifically, though that was murdering people.
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  Speaker 3: And so this girl that had the sore throat in
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  Speaker 3: the running nose, she was twelve years old. She was
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  Speaker 3: from Elk Grove Village, a suburb of Chicago, and she
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  Speaker 3: told her mom she was sick and fucked up, and
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  Speaker 3: they gave her one extra strength thailand All capsule that,
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  Speaker 3: unbeknownst to them, was laced with a highly poisonous dose
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  Speaker 3: of potassium cyanide and she was dead by seven.
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  Speaker 2: Am, which is insane.
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  Speaker 3: Now. That same day that Mary Kellerman died a twenty
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  Speaker 3: seven year old postal worker named Adam Janice of Arlington Heights, Illinois,
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  Speaker 3: died of what initially was thought to be a massive
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  Speaker 3: heart attack, but turned out he died of cyanide poisoning
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  Speaker 3: as well. But the story gets kind of crazy with
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  Speaker 3: Adam because he's dead as a door.
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  Speaker 2: Naw.
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  Speaker 3: They're going through all the burial rituals his family is
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  Speaker 3: and the funeral whatever. They go back to the house
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  Speaker 3: to eat their bad hash browns and casseroles and cry
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  Speaker 3: on each other's shoulders. And Adam's brother and sister in law, Stanley,
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  Speaker 3: who is twenty five and Teresa, who is only nineteen,
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  Speaker 3: were consoling their loved ones. But they both had throbbing
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  Speaker 3: headaches from crying all day, and they both took an
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  Speaker 3: extra strength tiland All capsule too, from the same bottle
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  Speaker 3: that Adam had taken an extra strength tiland All from.
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  Speaker 3: And Stanley and Teresa died two days later of cyanide poisoning,
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  Speaker 3: which is just you guys, think about this tragedy right there.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, this isn't this is crazy. People don't think
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  Speaker 2: about stuff like this. And I know we're going to
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  Speaker 2: get there, but a lot of laws came out of this,
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  Speaker 2: like including like tampering stuff that we just take for granted,
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  Speaker 2: like laws on tampering with medications and the and the punishments,
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  Speaker 2: how severe the punishments are for tampering with medications for
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  Speaker 2: people or things.
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  Speaker 3: It's like the episode we did on Johnny Gosh, like, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I thought that, right.
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  Speaker 3: If it didn't happen, we wouldn't have all these great
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  Speaker 3: new laws like we need to. We should have had
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  Speaker 3: them always.
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  Speaker 2: Well, there's this, like there's this thought process of randomness
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  Speaker 2: that I think is kind of interesting because a lot
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  Speaker 2: of times when we engineer stuff, we and this goes
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  Speaker 2: for everything, right, people normally engineer engineers look back and
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  Speaker 2: they go, let's look at all the worst cases that
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  Speaker 2: have ever happened in history before this, and let's engineer
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  Speaker 2: something along those lines. So they weren't many cases like
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  Speaker 2: people poisoned each other back in the day, but nobody
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  Speaker 2: had ever done something like this where I don't know anybody,
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  Speaker 2: but I'm going to just take some tile and all
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  Speaker 2: off the well they think the person went into the
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  Speaker 2: places would pull the tile in all and they were
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  Speaker 2: in capsule form at this time, guys. So that's why
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  Speaker 2: you don't get capsule medication anymore because of this case
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  Speaker 2: where you take the capsules and they could easily come
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  Speaker 2: apart and then you could put whatever you wanted to inside. Right,
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  Speaker 2: that was what came out of this that were like,
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  Speaker 2: you can't do that anymore. But when they engineered this stuff,
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  Speaker 2: people don't think of like, what's what's everything that could
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  Speaker 2: possibly go wrong with us? We don't think like that,
• 16:07
  Speaker 2: what's the worst event that's gonna happen to this? Right, Like.
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  Speaker 3: Everybody hates COVID. COVID was the worst thing that ever happened.
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  Speaker 3: But I was just talking to somebody at work the
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  Speaker 3: other day about why didn't door Dash always put those
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  Speaker 3: fucking sealed stickers on the bags and put little stickers
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  Speaker 3: over the tops of your cups and do all that
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  Speaker 3: contactless delivery before COVID, Like that should have always been
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  Speaker 3: a thing. When you get your bag and you're like, damn,
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  Speaker 3: there's only three fries in here.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, hello, Those are the quote unquote innocent things that
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  Speaker 2: can happen to you, some drivers eating your fries or whatever.
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  Speaker 2: But when you do think about the way, so many
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  Speaker 2: different things And I'm not a germaphobe or anything, like this.
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  Speaker 2: But when it comes to your food, you know, uh,
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  Speaker 2: you do want to make sure that after it's prepared,
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  Speaker 2: nobody's been eating it, slab slobbering on it, gone to
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  Speaker 2: the bathroom, didn't wash their hands and are putting their
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  Speaker 2: hands all over it, or whatever the case may be,
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  Speaker 2: whatever's in their car they didn't realize they had.
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  Speaker 3: Well, there's gotably some nasty cars out there with j
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  Speaker 3: I mean.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm not putting anybody down because it's probably not
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  Speaker 2: most people, but there's possibilities out there. So just have
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  Speaker 2: a way of showing that the thing sealed when you
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  Speaker 2: get it, and it just it's that extra thing that
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  Speaker 2: gives the customer a little bit more like what happens
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  Speaker 2: when you go to the store. I'll be honest with
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  Speaker 2: you guys right now. I know that when they stack
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: things at the store and the boxes get bent, that
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  Speaker 2: the boxes got bent because they had just stacked another
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  Speaker 2: box on top of it. Guess what, I don't buy
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  Speaker 2: the back box, Hey, these fucking boxes, not bet, I
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  Speaker 2: don't even like the crease in this box. I'm not
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  Speaker 2: buying this one. It's got a crease in it, and
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  Speaker 2: this one's the same price it's got no grease in it.
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  Speaker 2: I'm buying the one with no crease. I want the
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  Speaker 2: mint packaging so I can tear it the fuck apart
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  Speaker 2: when I get all thrown in the garbage.
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  Speaker 3: I also don't want the bitch.
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  Speaker 2: Can get them peas out of here. I'll want that
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  Speaker 2: mint condition peace can.
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  Speaker 3: That's how I am I with you.
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  Speaker 2: It's just a human thing, and it's and we're like that,
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  Speaker 2: especially with our food.
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  Speaker 3: You know, Yeah, it's like, why am I sacrificing my
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  Speaker 3: dignity buying this fucking dentted box.
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  Speaker 2: You really want, you want to make an embarrassing purchase,
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  Speaker 2: Go into the store and buy every boxed item you
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  Speaker 2: possibly can, throw it in your cart and go to
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  Speaker 2: check out. People are gonna be looking at you like
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  Speaker 2: you came out the mental inspal. They'll be pulled, they'll
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  Speaker 2: be going to other lines, they'll be in people that
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  Speaker 2: There'll be an eighty five year old woman's never done
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  Speaker 2: self checkouts, you standing in a self checkout, just bringing
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  Speaker 2: herself up, staying in the far away from you as possible.
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  Speaker 2: The matter of fact, if you're an introvert, you don't
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  Speaker 2: want people talking to you. Just put a bunch of
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  Speaker 2: bad boxes in your car. People say it. They won't
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  Speaker 2: even ask you how the weather is.
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  Speaker 3: No, they because they know that you have no self dignity.
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  Speaker 3: They're like, he clearly doesn't love himself. Move on. But
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  Speaker 3: but okay, let's get back serious. Let's get back serious,
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  Speaker 3: because this is really sad and fucked up. But we
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  Speaker 3: have We got twelve year old Mary Kellerman had a
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  Speaker 3: swords throat dead. Then we have twenty seven year old
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  Speaker 3: Adam dead, twenty five year old Stanley dead, Teresa nineteen dead,
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  Speaker 3: and then over the next few days.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, this person wiped out somebody's entire family. Talk about
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  Speaker 2: how weirdness is too. You don't know these people, you
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  Speaker 2: don't know anything about them, you don't have anything necessarily
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  Speaker 2: against them, but you've decided whoever the course, sob who
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  Speaker 2: buys this bottle is 're wiping them.
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  Speaker 3: Out and from the same bottle too.
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  Speaker 2: It's really I think it should go under acts of terrorism.
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  Speaker 3: To be honest with you, it really.
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  Speaker 2: Do you see the reaction of the public. It was
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  Speaker 2: one hundred percent and act of terrorism? Yes, you know
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  Speaker 2: what I mean, like what this did to people's conscious They.
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  Speaker 3: Weren't the only ones though, because three more deaths occurred
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  Speaker 3: after that, because you had thirty five year old Mary McFarland,
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  Speaker 3: thirty five year old Paula Prince, twenty seven year old
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  Speaker 3: Mary Weener, and all of them took Tayland Hall shortly
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  Speaker 3: before they died, and all of them died of cyanide poisoning.
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  Speaker 3: So have you ever googled? Because I was curious what
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  Speaker 3: a cyanide death looks like.
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  Speaker 2: No, I just I just knew that, like it'll probably
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  Speaker 2: get into this, but like one of the ways they
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  Speaker 2: started figuring out what bottles it was because it smells
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  Speaker 2: like almonds.
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  Speaker 3: It does smell a almonds, But when you take it
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  Speaker 3: and when it dissolves into your stomach and it starts
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  Speaker 3: actively working on you, it kills you by melting your insides.
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  Speaker 2: So it's complete and utter torture.
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  Speaker 3: A twelve year old Brian, it's torture. It melts you
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  Speaker 3: from the inside.
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  Speaker 2: Well, they're just went my sleep tonight.
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  Speaker 5: You are going to say something ridiculous.
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  Speaker 3: It's horrible.
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  Speaker 2: It is, it's that's horrible.
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  Speaker 3: And just think like if you were going to poison
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  Speaker 3: a bunch of people, Like I've made jokes before, like
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  Speaker 3: put some anti freeze on balogney or something like that.
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  Speaker 3: You die so slowly with those kind of things and
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: tastes andastes sweet, and you could put it in lemonade tea, yeah,
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: make a nice little cocktail. But hey, cyanide, you're not
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: only dead like instantly, it melts you.
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: That's digusting, that's.
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: Horrible, it's horrible. And after all of that, so we
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: have like seven dead people now. And it wasn't until
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: early October of nineteen eighty two, when they had seven
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: dead liquefied inside bodies, that investigators made the connection between
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: the poisoning deaths in thailanol, the best selling non prescription
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: pain reliever that was sold in the United States at
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: that time. Unfortunately, each victim swallowed a deadly thilanol capsule
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: laced with a lethal dose of cyanide. So what do
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: we do with this information? As you said earlier, the
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: McNeil Consumer Products was a subsidiary of Johnson and Johnson,
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: and they manufactured thilanol, and so after they passed, and just.
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: So people know how this works, they manufacture it in lots.
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: So that's how they ended up figuring out it was
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: just in Chicago, and they also started to be able
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: to figure out that it had to have happened not
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: at the factory but at stores. And that's when they
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: started narrowing down, like who's going in these stores to
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: put cyanide? Like to purchase this stuff, go home with it,
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: and then sneak back into that same store after you've
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: put potassium cyanide in there and put it back up
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: on the shelf.
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: I actually have an argument about why I don't think
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: that's what happened, and we.
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: Can Okay, well, that's that's the story. That's right, right, right, and.
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: We can hash it out. But so they put two
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: and two together. The company supposedly issued mass warnings calling
• 24:36
  Speaker 3: for a massive recall of more than thirty one million
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: bottles of tail and all in circulation. And it's like
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: you said, they saw that it was mostly focused in
• 24:46
  Speaker 3: the Chicago area. But get this shit, McNeil and Johnson
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: and Johnson offered replacement capsules to those who turned in
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: their pills they had already purchas, and they offered a
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: reward for anyone with information leading to the apprehension of
• 25:05
  Speaker 3: the individual who did those bottles, Like who did that?
• 25:10
  Speaker 3: But why the fuck would you ever trust them again?
• 25:16
  Speaker 3: With replacement capsules after they just murdered seven people, Like
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: I'm good, gee, Like that's going to be a no
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: for me. Dog, you just murdered seven people with cyna.
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: It's like, oh, we'll replace them. I'm good, I'll take
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: a month off, thank you.
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: You'll probably never take a medicine again. Period. I mean,
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: I'm already the older I get, the weirder I get
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: about so many things with my body, so I it's
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: almost painful, like they you go through life and you
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: realize you do have to trust some professionals. And then
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: the more I'm around other people and the more I
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: talk to other people, the more I live this life,
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: it's sometimes it's the less I trust, like the least
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: trusting person period.
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: Like replacement capsules in fuck off.
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: With Yeah, I almost looked like everything like a way
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: off because I know that and I don't want to
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: get off on some crazy tangent. But like when I
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: think about stuff, like a lot of times, is the
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: cure worse than the disease or is the cure worse
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: than the ailment that I'm dealing with? It's not right. Yeah,
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: So that's what I start to break things down to,
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: like can I live with this or not. Like people
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: that get cancer, I get it, man, You get cancer,
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: you go to chemo, which is one hundred percent poisoning
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: your body. You are poisoning your body to the point
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: of saying, I hope I can kill what's inside me,
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: similar to what the Romans used to do. Poison yourself
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: to the point where all the parasites are dead and
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: how much can I take before I die? But kill
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: ever is inside of me. You know you're doing hard
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: to yourself, and a lot of medications are very similar
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: to that. Even to this day. It's not like you
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: just show up, hey, give me something, to give me something,
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: to give me something. There's a trade off. You're making
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: a compromise with your body. You're saying, I will take
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: this in replace of how bad this is for me.
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: So you know that's where I'm like, I'd rather do
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: physical therapy or whatever.
• 27:28
  Speaker 3: A lot of these big companies already have your trust,
• 27:32
  Speaker 3: so you're not gonna think twice about the tile and
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: all because they say how safe it is and how
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: this and how that, and just pop a little tile
• 27:40
  Speaker 3: and all, pop a little addie, and.
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: Which is actually a really weird thing to people who
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: don't live in the United States. I found this out, Like,
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: people that don't live in the United States are like,
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: wait a second, drug companies advertised to you, like you
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: read advertisements for drugs like that you go to the
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: hospital for and you ask for our brand name drug
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: or that blows their mind. They're like, that just doesn't happen.
• 28:08
  Speaker 3: If you have any streaming platform that you don't pay
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: for the ad free shit. If you're on the standard
• 28:16
  Speaker 3: Hulu package. Every other fucking commercial is a pharmaceutical drug.
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: I know everything that cures viteligo, so.
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: Me pay.
• 28:29
  Speaker 3: Rsv HIV. I know them all at this point, I've watched.
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: Well and the thing is two with those is they don't sure.
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: It's more of like they allow you to sustain with
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: less pain and less symptoms and things like that.
• 28:45
  Speaker 3: Brian, I just said this to someone the other day
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: because I was watching one it's called rex salty, and
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: it was like, but it's not just this one, it's
• 28:53
  Speaker 3: all of them. They say, don't take rex salty if
• 28:57
  Speaker 3: you're allergic to rex salty.
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: That's the world we're living in right now. There's some
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: under fate Moyer that listens to every word of a
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: commercial and can't wait to just figure out how to sue.
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: You didn't say don't take exalty if you're allergic to
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: rex salted that well, lawsuit together right now. I'm right
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: at sixty page document right here on my I.
• 29:24
  Speaker 3: I don't know if I'm allergic to rexalty.
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: Don't take.
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: Then you take.
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: If you live on Earth, do not take rex salty.
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: We we said right here, if you live on Earth,
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: you shouldn't be taking this stuff.
• 29:43
  Speaker 3: That's one of the ones they say real fast, if
• 29:50
  Speaker 3: you live on Earth, that.
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: You know, and when you watch these commercials, you pretty
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: much believe that you gain superpowers by taking this crap.
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: You know that, or you become really good at grilling things.
• 30:07
  Speaker 3: And you always have a circle of friends.
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: And if you have a circle of friends and smile,
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: nobody uses their phone in public. They all just talk
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: like old school and they are smiling, and everybody's so
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: freaking funny, and everybody's so cool, and they're dancing. Everybody
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: knows how to dance. The second you take this stuff,
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: you know, you don't need to go to mom Bo
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: number five classes. You fucking already know how to do that.
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah. No, it's like if you take it. You wake
• 30:34
  Speaker 3: up in a villa lakef rep View with fucking palm
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: trees and fucking the love of your life making you
• 30:43
  Speaker 3: waffles in the morning.
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: Yes, exalty, So yeah, that's where we're at.
• 30:52
  Speaker 3: So listen to this ship, Brian. I have a whole
• 30:54
  Speaker 3: little snippet and you can fight me on it. But
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: this is what I wrote down, okay. Johnson and Johnson
• 31:02
  Speaker 3: quickly tried to establish that the cyanide lacing occurred after
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: the cases of tailand All left the factory. That's what
• 31:11
  Speaker 3: they say, so taking them at their word, because why not.
• 31:16
  Speaker 3: The police hypothesized that the most likely scenario must have
• 31:22
  Speaker 3: been that someone had taken the bottles off the shelves
• 31:25
  Speaker 3: at local grocers and drug stores in the Chicago area
• 31:31
  Speaker 3: and took them to a disclosed location within the store
• 31:37
  Speaker 3: without being caught, opened up all the boxes, broke out
• 31:42
  Speaker 3: their discrete baggy of cyanide, carefully uncapped and replaced all
• 31:49
  Speaker 3: the contents of each capsule in the store with cyanide.
• 31:53
  Speaker 3: Put the caps back together, put them back in the bottle,
• 31:58
  Speaker 3: broke out their part.
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: They did it in the store, they took them home.
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: They're saying that the.
• 32:06
  Speaker 3: Store and so after they put them back in the bottle,
• 32:09
  Speaker 3: they put it back in the box, hot glued the
• 32:11
  Speaker 3: fucking box stop back down, and then like literally all
• 32:16
  Speaker 3: this taking place while standing near the frozen peace section,
• 32:20
  Speaker 3: nobody notices anything. They take all the boxes, go back
• 32:23
  Speaker 3: to the pharmacy, put them back on the shelf, and
• 32:27
  Speaker 3: they're restored and waiting for unknowing victims. Like that's it.
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: I get what you're saying here. Now. If somebody came
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: to me and said that bullshit, first of all, they'd
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: be fidgety as all can be. There's no witnesses. This
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: obviously happened at multiple locations.
• 32:49
  Speaker 3: Like so they're saying they put them in like a
• 32:52
  Speaker 3: buffel bag and took them to like the tampon aisle
• 32:55
  Speaker 3: and fucking reconstruct it.
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: They have to be really good too, because just like
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: I said, people pick up on like, hey, with somebody
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: messing with this? Is this different than the other ones?
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: Like we are programmed to figure out what is different
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: about something, Like when you look at it, you're like,
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: there's something different about this, doesn't It didn't open like
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: the other ones. This box looked like it opened easier.
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: It looks like it's been opened before. I know with
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: tailand all, it's a little different, but like even the
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: way the instructions are on the inside, you know, And
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: I don't know if they had those seals at the top.
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: I don't think they had those seals, be.
• 33:33
  Speaker 3: A luminum seal at the top, but you still had
• 33:35
  Speaker 3: to open the box to remove the bottle. Yeah, so
• 33:41
  Speaker 3: you would have had to break that seal.
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: If it was sealed. I don't know. I don't know
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: if they sealed those or not.
• 33:48
  Speaker 3: Are you going with in store bandit theory?
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: I would find it more believable before we start talking
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: about theories though, that the person would purchase this legally,
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: go to the counter, and then sneak the stuff back
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: into the store because and the reason why you could
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: do it then and you couldn't do it that same
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: thing now is they didn't scan barcodes back then. They
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: typed in prices into those old school cash registers. You
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: know what I'm saying, Well, maybe like, hey, this isn't
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: showing up that I'm on my inventory list. It didn't
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: work like that.
• 34:29
  Speaker 3: Well, maybe you can debunk my theory then, because I
• 34:32
  Speaker 3: have the instore bandit theory, and then I have another
• 34:35
  Speaker 3: theory of why. I don't think it could have been
• 34:39
  Speaker 3: an outside.
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: They well, yeah, let's get into all the details.
• 34:43
  Speaker 3: And Okay, after they put out the instore bandit theory,
• 34:49
  Speaker 3: that was their excellent police work that they come up
• 34:51
  Speaker 3: with the fucking in store bandit theory. But to this day,
• 34:55
  Speaker 3: the perpetrator of these murders has never been found. So
• 34:59
  Speaker 3: how convenient for Johnson and Johnson? Right, But let's talk
• 35:03
  Speaker 3: about this. I think it would be extremely easy to
• 35:12
  Speaker 3: catch someone if they were taking them outside of this store.
• 35:17
  Speaker 3: Let me break this down. I have bullet points and
• 35:21
  Speaker 3: you can logically debate me on this. Okay, number one
• 35:26
  Speaker 3: bullet point, Yeah, wouldn't the suspect be the guy who
• 35:33
  Speaker 3: kept coming in and buying one bunch of bananas in
• 35:37
  Speaker 3: thirty six tile in all bottles? Do? We wouldn't have
• 35:42
  Speaker 3: a composite sketch for that guy. Mary Joe never forgets
• 35:46
  Speaker 3: a face, always shows up Sunday morning at church, and
• 35:50
  Speaker 3: she didn't suspect the guy that fucking bought one bunch
• 35:53
  Speaker 3: of bananas in thirty six bottles of Thailand all non
• 36:00
  Speaker 3: posit sketch for this guy.
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: I don't know if you did. Okay, keep going.
• 36:05
  Speaker 3: Bullet point number two, which you kind of already debunked,
• 36:08
  Speaker 3: is wouldn't there have been some kind of inventory system,
• 36:12
  Speaker 3: because anyone who has worked in retail knows you take
• 36:16
  Speaker 3: note when you have a shipment come in and you
• 36:19
  Speaker 3: have fifty bottles of Thailand al Monday on the shelf,
• 36:21
  Speaker 3: and by Wednesday you have two bottles of tailand all.
• 36:24
  Speaker 3: But somehow magically later that day or even Thursday morning,
• 36:28
  Speaker 3: you suddenly have fifty bottles on the shelf again, but
• 36:31
  Speaker 3: you haven't gotten another show.
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: I think inventory was still done. It was just done
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: a little different, so you didn't know what you sold
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: that moment, but you had a receipt that would say
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: and it just depends on the cash register. I'm sure
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: the technology might. I don't know if it was out
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: there then or not.
• 36:49
  Speaker 3: I think was passing by the shelf. Brian, You're like, oh,
• 36:52
  Speaker 3: we're fully stopping time.
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: And here's the thing that you brought up before that
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: I do want to discuss. We don't know, Like I
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: I've always envisioned them going in and buying one, taking
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: it home, putting this side. Because these did happen at
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: different times, and they were sold at different locations. The
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: one thing I will give you, though, is they did
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: pretty much just take Johnson and Johnson's word for it
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: that this stuff didn't happen in the facility, because let's
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: face it, that was that'd be suicide, that would be suicide.
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: It was almost suicide for this company. They lost ninety
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: percent of their market share on this stuff when it happened,
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: like the sales went down. They were covered within a
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: year because of their huge recall. That huge recall cost
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: them in today's money, according to twenty twenty three money,
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: three hundred forty million dollars and recalls of just a
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: set of metaphin.
• 37:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and imagine if it came out that it happened
• 37:56
  Speaker 3: before the bottles left the factory.
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: Well, exactly, nobody do anything Johnson and Johnson anything. We're
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: not talking just to see the metaphine. We're talking the
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: band aids and the baby wipes, and people would be like,
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: I'm no more tears my ass.
• 38:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you're not.
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: Gonna put your baby, You're not gonna give your baby
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: anything from that company.
• 38:21
  Speaker 3: But my problem is why did the police just take
• 38:24
  Speaker 3: them out their word for it and come up with
• 38:26
  Speaker 3: all these in store bandit theories when neither one of
• 38:29
  Speaker 3: them to me, makes sense for you to never ever
• 38:33
  Speaker 3: find a suspect ever.
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: Well, that the one thing though, that was a little convenient,
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: and we haven't discussed him yet, as I'm surprised you're
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: not talking about James Lewis yet.
• 38:46
  Speaker 3: James Lewis is like my next bullet point.
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: I'm sure he is, because you can't talk about this
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: story without talking about James Lewis and James Lewis, you guys.
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: Here's here's the interesting thing. This is a guy who
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: recanted his original testimony, but he also served ten years
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: in prison for trying to extort money from Johnson and
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: Johnson who specifically wrote a letter. He wrote a letter
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: to the butt business trying to extort I can't remember.
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: It was in the millions though, maybe eight million or
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: around a million something amount of dollars, talking about if
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: you want to cyanide in the on the Aceda metafite
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: tablets to go away, you are to pay me this
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: amount of money. But they think he wrote and according
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: to his original testimony, he wrote that letter before the
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: news had ever even broke about this stuff going public.
• 39:42
  Speaker 3: I think that they already knew what had happened and
• 39:46
  Speaker 3: they were trying to cover their tracks.
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: Are you saying that you think he's a patsy?
• 39:52
  Speaker 3: Yes, because listen, listen. I had another bullet point about
• 39:59
  Speaker 3: the the tile and all on the shelves, because they
• 40:02
  Speaker 3: said that it was like there was many bottles that
• 40:07
  Speaker 3: were contaminated. So obviously he would have had to go
• 40:09
  Speaker 3: back to the store a bunch of times, or he
• 40:11
  Speaker 3: got them all at one time, took them to another
• 40:14
  Speaker 3: part of the store, or took them home, put cyanide
• 40:18
  Speaker 3: in them, and then somehow brought them back into the
• 40:20
  Speaker 3: store and restock the shelves without anybody noticing. And this
• 40:24
  Speaker 3: is my other bullet point, And this is what I
• 40:26
  Speaker 3: wrote down because I was in my feelings. I was
• 40:28
  Speaker 3: so pissed off about these times. Okay, I said, let's
• 40:33
  Speaker 3: be real. In the eighties, before gms were twenty three
• 40:38
  Speaker 3: year old millennials who were ultra conscious of your feelings,
• 40:43
  Speaker 3: they would have noticed that shit. The eighties gms are different.
• 40:48
  Speaker 3: They wanted and needed their job, They couldn't work from
• 40:53
  Speaker 3: home just because it was too much for them or whatever,
• 40:56
  Speaker 3: and they would have went to the stock er and
• 40:59
  Speaker 3: been like Thomas, what the fuck is going on with
• 41:01
  Speaker 3: the tail and all. But nowadays it would be like, hey, Tom,
• 41:05
  Speaker 3: can I use your pronouns? Okay, there is something going
• 41:10
  Speaker 3: on with the tailer, Like, no big deal if you miscounted,
• 41:15
  Speaker 3: but we had fifty yesterday and there's two today.
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: And the nice part, the reason why they could focus
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: on feelings today is because technology takes care of all
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: that work for them, which is inventory, because the second
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: something gets scanned, it's we know that we sold it that.
• 41:35
  Speaker 3: You don't think they would have noticed that some shit
• 41:38
  Speaker 3: was going weird with the tail and all.
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I sometimes wonder if people are like,
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: if somebody just bought one tile and all at the store, No,
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: I don't, it'd just be another day they take it all,
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: and then they haven't that store, or they sneak back
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: into a different store and put it up on the shelves.
• 42:08
  Speaker 3: I'm still going with I'm still going with Johnson and
• 42:11
  Speaker 3: Johnson because if it didn't happen in the store, it's
• 42:17
  Speaker 3: like we were saying, it must have happened before the
• 42:21
  Speaker 3: shipment was delivered, which would make it one thousand percent
• 42:25
  Speaker 3: Johnson and Johnson's responsibility, and they could not take that hit, Brian.
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: Of course they can't take the hit. Nobody wants to
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: take that hit. It's absolute public suicide to do.
• 42:38
  Speaker 3: And I have another bullet point k to prove my
• 42:43
  Speaker 3: it couldn't have been a Chicago in store bandit theory.
• 42:47
  Speaker 3: Last bullet point other what they call copycat poisonings involving
• 42:58
  Speaker 3: name brand tylanol and even other over the counter Johnson
• 43:03
  Speaker 3: and Johnson medications cropped up in the nineteen eighties and
• 43:08
  Speaker 3: early nineteen nineties. But they would like to sweep that
• 43:11
  Speaker 3: shit under the rug because they did not occur in Chicago,
• 43:16
  Speaker 3: and that would debunk their little Thailand all fucking rocket science,
• 43:21
  Speaker 3: fucking at home lab, fucking breaking, bad fucking bandit suspect theory.
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well they were calling those copycats, aren't they.
• 43:33
  Speaker 3: Of course they were going to call them copycats because
• 43:35
  Speaker 3: they can't say, oh yeah, that one Montana and Kentucky, Utah, Nebraska, Arizona.
• 43:41
  Speaker 3: Those were all copycat killings, even though they were still
• 43:44
  Speaker 3: Johnson Johnson, name brand, Thailand all state of matter of fact,
• 43:48
  Speaker 3: those were just copycats. They did have nothing to do
• 43:50
  Speaker 3: with our company.
• 43:51
  Speaker 6: By now, I get that they you know, I get
• 44:00
  Speaker 6: that that that that question can come.
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: Up, but we need more evidence than that. You know,
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: can't just be weird questioning it. We need to know,
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: Like you'd think that somebody from the company would have
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: come forward with something at some time, and you and
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: a lot of people go, well, no, they would, no,
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: da da, And this is a totally different case. I
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: get that, which is also very interesting, But I mean,
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: people do have a conscious and like there is quality control,
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: and if it leaked anywhere or memo went to the
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: wrong person, they'd be talking about it.
• 44:41
  Speaker 3: Brian Brian, Brian, Brian.
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, no, no, you know, I'm right,
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: somebody would be talking about this is what wood. Look
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: at the Boeing thing. Look at the Boeing thing. Did
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: that guy end up dead? Yes he did, but he
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: was coming out and saying about real issues of safety
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: that were going on with Boeing planes and Bowling knew
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: they were going to take a huge hit on this,
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: and I do you know, I don't think it's a
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: coincidence this guy ends of dead, but we're not hearing
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: much about that anymore.
• 45:19
  Speaker 3: But the same way that we didn't even know the Chicago,
• 45:22
  Speaker 3: Thailand all murders existed until we decided to do this
• 45:25
  Speaker 3: episode is the same way they're getting away with it
• 45:27
  Speaker 3: over and over again. Because after the nineteen eighties, when
• 45:32
  Speaker 3: the cyanide poisonings broke the news and they had to
• 45:36
  Speaker 3: recall all that shit, they came out with the caplet,
• 45:39
  Speaker 3: which was the solid pill instead of the capsule, and
• 45:42
  Speaker 3: they put aluminum foil fucking seals on the top.
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: Of the bottle.
• 45:47
  Speaker 3: How then did in the nineties this still happen. Even
• 45:52
  Speaker 3: with all their safety precautions that they put in place,
• 45:55
  Speaker 3: the aluminum seals and the caplets and all that, they're
• 45:58
  Speaker 3: still getting cyanide poisoning in other states from name brand
• 46:02
  Speaker 3: Tylan All.
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: Well, that one woman would I can't remember if she
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: got busted. She tried to kill and she went to
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: prison for ninety years. They gave her ninety years or
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: something like that.
• 46:13
  Speaker 3: Well, she's a fucking asshole. But the other ones, you
• 46:21
  Speaker 3: cannot tell me that didn't come straight out of the
• 46:23
  Speaker 3: Johnson and Johnson factory.
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: But who's doing it there?
• 46:29
  Speaker 3: It could have just been like they make other products
• 46:32
  Speaker 3: that do not go inside the body, or in some
• 46:36
  Speaker 3: capacity had fucking poison in the factory and they got
• 46:40
  Speaker 3: contaminated and they could not take the fall or their sadistic.
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: Bastards cyanide of all things.
• 46:48
  Speaker 3: Like they could worship the devil Brian.
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: No, no, no, no no no. I mean the thing
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: is like the care that goes into these like I
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: don't know if at that time how it was manufactured.
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: I'm sure it's even more automated now than it was
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: back then, but you know, it was probably mostly an
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: automated process to produce these things, maybe in packaging somewhere,
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: like it would be very hard to get like, I
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: can't imagine somebody getting away with this at the at
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: the facility, you know, definitely people the higher it would
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: have to be like one sick minded individual there.
• 47:37
  Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, but you don't know the kind of people.
• 47:39
  Speaker 3: There wasn't like serious background checks on people and shit
• 47:42
  Speaker 3: like there is now. They would just hire you that
• 47:45
  Speaker 3: you'd fill out a paper application. They'd be like you
• 47:47
  Speaker 3: look cool, and they'd hire you. Just like Jeffrey Dahmer
• 47:50
  Speaker 3: worked out a chocolate factory how many times, and we
• 47:53
  Speaker 3: don't know did he sneak a little fucking eyeball or
• 47:55
  Speaker 3: something in their little finger bone and we were just
• 47:58
  Speaker 3: crunch crunching away on our heath bar and we're like, oh,
• 48:01
  Speaker 3: this is a real crunchy one didn't know Jeffrey Dahmer
• 48:04
  Speaker 3: was cooking up the bars that day. There's fucking bone
• 48:06
  Speaker 3: fragments in it. Yeah.
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: Well, I mean, I know for a fact, like when
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: we buy mass produced product. I mean, it's not like
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: there is a there's an allowable amount, trace amounts of
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: certain things allowed in there because it's inevitable for things
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: to get in. The potassium cyanide is not one of them.
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: But what I mean is, you know X amount of
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: human hair is going to get in something, X amount
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: of rat hair is going to get in something just
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: from being at these facilities, how big they are. And
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: that's part of like saying, hey, I'll trust you to
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: make my ketchup because I can't make it in my
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: backyard cheaper and at the same rate and grow all
• 48:54
  Speaker 2: this stuff. And you know, I mean I know that
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: we get I don't know how they uh the process
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: for making those things back then, but it would it
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: wouldn't surprise me to know, like you know, if it
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: came out of that facility, it would be the work
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: of like one individual who did not talk about it,
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: ah or no we knew.
• 49:21
  Speaker 3: Let's just say that Johnson and Johnson didn't. Let's say
• 49:25
  Speaker 3: they didn't intentionally do this because they worshiped the devil,
• 49:28
  Speaker 3: which is still on the table, and they just had
• 49:30
  Speaker 3: a psychotic employee that they didn't know who actually did this.
• 49:36
  Speaker 3: They might that person might have went to their fucking
• 49:39
  Speaker 3: grave fucking knowing that.
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: And totally cool with it, you know, totally fine with
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: the fact that they did that. I mean, you know
• 49:51
  Speaker 2: when you talk about like it takes it just a
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: different type of killer. I don't know, like if they're
• 49:57
  Speaker 2: like in their mind when we think about murdering someone,
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: we always think about that person who did us wrong
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: or we or somebody did something to somebody because they
• 50:11
  Speaker 2: wanted something of theirs, maybe their car, their shoes, their
• 50:16
  Speaker 2: love life, whatever, whatever, but to be to gain really nothing,
• 50:26
  Speaker 2: Like some people killed for the thrill. There was the
• 50:29
  Speaker 2: thrill killers where they were like they just got off
• 50:32
  Speaker 2: on the thrill of the kill there, but they were
• 50:35
  Speaker 2: getting something from it. The idea of these killings, like,
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: to me, it's like they didn't get anything. They didn't
• 50:43
  Speaker 2: get the datis mention of watching somebody unless it was
• 50:47
  Speaker 2: literally see I almost like, look at it like whoever
• 50:52
  Speaker 2: did this did not like Johnson and Johnson and wanted
• 50:55
  Speaker 2: to It was like a torpedo in the side of
• 50:58
  Speaker 2: the company. Maybe somebody who used to work for the company,
• 51:01
  Speaker 2: maybe who did somebody who didn't know anything, uh, or
• 51:04
  Speaker 2: who was dicked over by the company lost their job. Whatever,
• 51:09
  Speaker 2: it was a tonto to try to completely sink their ship.
• 51:14
  Speaker 3: Or maybe they wanted to be one of those like
• 51:16
  Speaker 3: Zodiac newspaper famous serial killers. That's like the tailand all
• 51:21
  Speaker 3: Chicago murderer is on the loose and we can't find him,
• 51:24
  Speaker 3: and he got his like little fifteen minutes.
• 51:26
  Speaker 2: But if they wanted the fifteen minutes, they would have
• 51:31
  Speaker 2: done something like That's where the whole letter thing to
• 51:34
  Speaker 2: me comes into play with this. This Lewis guy, It's
• 51:37
  Speaker 2: like he wrote a letter talking about potassium cyanide and
• 51:45
  Speaker 2: if you wanted to stop it's like.
• 51:50
  Speaker 3: But they then nothing came of it, I know.
• 51:54
  Speaker 2: And they said they so here's the thing I did.
• 51:57
  Speaker 2: They actually got DNA off of these bottles. But I
• 52:03
  Speaker 2: was sitting there like, are we living in a day
• 52:05
  Speaker 2: and age where DNA It's almost like we view it
• 52:13
  Speaker 2: like the Holy Grail, you know, what I mean, we've
• 52:16
  Speaker 2: got this DNA evidence that means that's it. This is it.
• 52:19
  Speaker 2: We've got the DNA, and then you know, I started
• 52:22
  Speaker 2: looking into it. I'm like, it can be easily corrupted
• 52:25
  Speaker 2: if it's not taken care of properly. It's almost unusable
• 52:30
  Speaker 2: because it can be contaminated real easily. It has to
• 52:34
  Speaker 2: be collected the right way and all this other stuff.
• 52:38
  Speaker 2: And when they did the DNA on him, and you
• 52:42
  Speaker 2: guys got to think, like this is done. Years later
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: they do the DNA on this Lewis guy. The thing
• 52:48
  Speaker 2: that bugs me about it is, I'm like, so you're
• 52:50
  Speaker 2: telling me, when they collected these bottles before anybody knew
• 52:54
  Speaker 2: anything about DNA, that they didn't contaminate them or they
• 53:00
  Speaker 2: elected the sample's properly, but nobody knew anything about DNA.
• 53:04
  Speaker 3: Mm hmm, I agreed. They're totally contaminated. That you can't
• 53:09
  Speaker 3: even use that shit anymore.
• 53:10
  Speaker 2: And so like when they're they keep going after all
• 53:13
  Speaker 2: these people and the first thing they do is they
• 53:15
  Speaker 2: test the DNA. So if somebody knows more about DNA
• 53:18
  Speaker 2: than me, I'd love for them to enlighten me on
• 53:20
  Speaker 2: how they could distinguish this contain what you know wasn't
• 53:24
  Speaker 2: collected properly, Like I'm just looking at it like a
• 53:27
  Speaker 2: lawyer would look at it, like, dude, you're gonna have
• 53:29
  Speaker 2: to throw this out even if we match this DNA.
• 53:32
  Speaker 2: Then I looked at it and they said, your DNA
• 53:34
  Speaker 2: is so unique that there's just a one in bill
• 53:38
  Speaker 2: a one in a billion chance somebody else would share
• 53:42
  Speaker 2: the exact same DNA as you. And I started going,
• 53:44
  Speaker 2: wait a second, and eight billion people? You tell me
• 53:47
  Speaker 2: now that there's eight other people.
• 53:51
  Speaker 4: My fucking dna SA Harry, right now, I got eight DNA.
• 54:01
  Speaker 3: You're so you're telling me there's a chance, So.
• 54:04
  Speaker 7: You're telling me, But then I'm also I'm like sitting
• 54:07
  Speaker 7: there going so if that their DNA matches mine, they
• 54:12
  Speaker 7: better behaved themselves. First of all, if your DNA is
• 54:15
  Speaker 7: manching mine, you better behave yourself. But then I'm like,
• 54:19
  Speaker 7: could it be like would they have to live in
• 54:21
  Speaker 7: this country? Would it have to be somebody closely related
• 54:23
  Speaker 7: to me? Or can it be like anybody?
• 54:25
  Speaker 3: Like?
• 54:26
  Speaker 2: Am I that foolish? What in a billion chance? I'm like,
• 54:29
  Speaker 2: or does that mean like all throwout time?
• 54:32
  Speaker 3: Maybe I don't know throughout time? You know there could
• 54:35
  Speaker 3: have been the reincarnation thing. There's been eight of.
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: The Brian parallel universe Brian.
• 54:42
  Speaker 3: Right, some docs are strange.
• 54:44
  Speaker 2: Shit, oh my god.
• 54:46
  Speaker 3: But you know the thing I was getting at as
• 54:49
  Speaker 3: like after the Thailand All murders, they kept they come
• 54:52
  Speaker 3: up with all these safety precautions. Then they passed this
• 54:55
  Speaker 3: law called the Thailand All Law, and now all over
• 54:58
  Speaker 3: the counter medications have to have the tinfoil seel and
• 55:01
  Speaker 3: other safety precautions to make sure that their tamper proof
• 55:04
  Speaker 3: to some degree.
• 55:06
  Speaker 2: And just so you know, guys that also the laws
• 55:08
  Speaker 2: kicked in where they're severe penalties now for tampering with
• 55:12
  Speaker 2: like over the counter.
• 55:14
  Speaker 3: Yes, yes, but so they do all this stuff. There's
• 55:18
  Speaker 3: still some more what they call copycat brners with the
• 55:22
  Speaker 3: Cyanide with tyland All. Later in the eighties and in
• 55:24
  Speaker 3: the nineties, nothing ever comes of the Lewis guy who
• 55:28
  Speaker 3: wrote the letter, and within a year kyl and All
• 55:32
  Speaker 3: and Johnson and Johnson rebounded. They made way over that
• 55:36
  Speaker 3: they their sales came. Oh yeah, they they and so
• 55:42
  Speaker 3: everybody's like, wow, Johnson and Johnson, they really they did
• 55:46
  Speaker 3: a one eighty and it's all amazing and whatever. Tiland,
• 55:49
  Speaker 3: all sales go through the roof, everything's back to normal,
• 55:52
  Speaker 3: And I'm like, how can Johnson and Johnson now be
• 55:56
  Speaker 3: the hero of this story after they just killed to
• 55:59
  Speaker 3: death like innocent children, innocent women, and just completely innocent
• 56:05
  Speaker 3: people through a melty inside Cyanai death. But now they're
• 56:09
  Speaker 3: the hero of the story because they put a little
• 56:11
  Speaker 3: tinfoil fucking well.
• 56:13
  Speaker 2: Being the hero is such a strange thing, right, I
• 56:16
  Speaker 2: mean that's.
• 56:17
  Speaker 3: Why, like, why was it necessary to have that time?
• 56:20
  Speaker 2: Why people love a good catastrophe. I mean, nobody's ever
• 56:23
  Speaker 2: a hero that avoids catastrophe, Like there would have never
• 56:27
  Speaker 2: been nobody would have known the ship captain's name on
• 56:31
  Speaker 2: the Titanic if he didn't hit the iceberg. You know,
• 56:33
  Speaker 2: if he would have been the smart guy that missed
• 56:36
  Speaker 2: it and everybody lived, you wouldn't be In reality, he's
• 56:42
  Speaker 2: a hero. Every time you're playing land safely, that person's
• 56:45
  Speaker 2: a hero. We're not gonna call him a hero, but
• 56:48
  Speaker 2: we're safe because of the decisions they probably made an
• 56:51
  Speaker 2: air to avoid catastrophe. We always say the guy who
• 56:55
  Speaker 2: won the war and didn't avoid the war is the hero. Right,
• 57:01
  Speaker 2: So Johnson and Johnson went to war in this they
• 57:05
  Speaker 2: had their catastrophe, and because they came out quote unquote
• 57:10
  Speaker 2: clean on the other side, they're a hero. That's It's
• 57:12
  Speaker 2: just the way we do things.
• 57:14
  Speaker 3: RAN think of it logically, though, is like if I
• 57:17
  Speaker 3: killed someone to death and then I was a surgeon
• 57:23
  Speaker 3: and I fucking sow their heart back up and then
• 57:25
  Speaker 3: I shocked them back to life? Am I the hero
• 57:27
  Speaker 3: now because I saved him?
• 57:29
  Speaker 2: But they it depends did anybody see you.
• 57:34
  Speaker 3: They tiktokd it.
• 57:36
  Speaker 2: Did they only see you save them? Or did they
• 57:38
  Speaker 2: see you kill them?
• 57:39
  Speaker 3: Look saw me kill them? TikTok saw me save them?
• 57:42
  Speaker 3: Now we got fifty fifty.
• 57:46
  Speaker 2: You got the full dichotomy and the yangs. You see
• 57:49
  Speaker 2: what I mean.
• 57:50
  Speaker 3: It's like, how do you kill people to death with
• 57:52
  Speaker 3: your product and then you're the big hero at the
• 57:54
  Speaker 3: end of the story because you put some fucking safety,
• 57:57
  Speaker 3: fucking procedures in blaze, you know.
• 57:59
  Speaker 2: So the way I view it is two ways. Okay.
• 58:03
  Speaker 2: If their reaction was genuine and they they truly I
• 58:08
  Speaker 2: mean when we say they did it, like as a company,
• 58:12
  Speaker 2: I highly doubt they would out of their way to
• 58:14
  Speaker 2: try to create something that was going to harm people.
• 58:18
  Speaker 2: Somebody somewhere definitely wanted to do something to harm people,
• 58:23
  Speaker 2: whether that was an individual or a group of people
• 58:27
  Speaker 2: or whoever. Even if it was a small faction of
• 58:31
  Speaker 2: people within their company that they didn't know about it,
• 58:35
  Speaker 2: I highly doubt that they were like given permission to
• 58:38
  Speaker 2: do something like this. So somebody, you know, if their
• 58:41
  Speaker 2: reaction is like what passed new laws, and obviously they
• 58:45
  Speaker 2: didn't want to see something like that like this happened,
• 58:48
  Speaker 2: because I mean, they recalled and this wasn't normal at
• 58:53
  Speaker 2: the time. They recalled all those a scene of metaphine
• 58:58
  Speaker 2: tablets that cost them, I mean three hundred and thirty
• 59:03
  Speaker 2: million dollars and that type of publicity that honestly could
• 59:07
  Speaker 2: have ended that company. They got lucky that they weren't
• 59:10
  Speaker 2: ended from that. I almost believe it is a disgruntled worker,
• 59:15
  Speaker 2: somebody who had something against that company, or a competitor
• 59:23
  Speaker 2: that would do something like that to try to sing.
• 59:26
  Speaker 3: Well, this is where I tangented because I didn't like
• 59:30
  Speaker 3: this store bandit theories, and I knew you were going
• 59:33
  Speaker 3: to fight me that it was Johnson and Johnson because
• 59:35
  Speaker 3: they worshiped the devil. So I went back into the
• 59:39
  Speaker 3: past and I looked up all this fucking shit that
• 59:43
  Speaker 3: Johnson and Johnson has been sued for, and they've been
• 59:46
  Speaker 3: selling people poison for a long time, and they're still
• 59:49
  Speaker 3: selling people poison and it's ongoing. And the thing about
• 59:53
  Speaker 3: it is, Brian, this is my argument. And this is
• 59:57
  Speaker 3: like the last page of my notes, So you can
• 59:59
  Speaker 3: tell me to go to after I get through the notes. Okay,
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 3: But I think that people have a little problem with
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 3: blindly trusting just because they sell it at Walgreens or whatever,
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 3: like you can get it at the store. Therefore it
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 3: is safe for me to give to my children, to
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 3: give to my elderly mother, myself, whatever. So, as we
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 3: were talking about earlier, Tailan knowl is just a fancy
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 3: name for a seedamnifin, But did you know actually that
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 3: a seeda minifin has a direct effect on your adrenal steroidogenesis,
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 3: as it's called, So it disrupts your brains from creating
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 3: the hormones you need to function as a human being.
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 3: And it's just like you were saying earlier, is your
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 3: headache bad enough to pay the price for the relief?
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah? I look at all this stuff as a compromise.
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 2: Whenever you put anything in your body. It's a compromise,
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 2: you know, Like if we're starving to death, we may
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 2: not be normally able to like drink milk, but it
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 2: might give us inflammation and it might make you know,
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 2: we might be lactose and tower. But I'm gonna tell
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 2: you this, If a glass and milk sitting in front
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 2: of you haven't eaten it three days, you're gonna be like,
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 2: is this what am I going? What's my compromise here?
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 2: Mm hmm, you know what I mean. Same thing happens
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 2: with water. Like some people be like, don't drink stagnant
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 2: water sitting on and but I'm telling you, when you
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 2: get that thirsty and you're gonna die of dehydration anyway,
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 2: you're like, well, I'm just gonna drink it. And even
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 2: if it gives you diarrhea and all the other problems,
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 2: You're like, you're thirsty. You're like, we make these compromises
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 2: all the time. So is the ailment or the disease
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 2: worse than the cure?
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 3: They don't market it that way to us, Just like
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 3: the commercials with somebody running down the beach or whatever,
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 3: and they're like, don't take rec salty if you're allergic
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 3: to rec salty after they've already sold it to you
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 3: with all the pictures of puppies and shit. Yeah, and
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 3: the thing is people, So it disrupts your brain's ability
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 3: to produce the sex hormones in your body. That's what
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 3: thailand All does, and specifically pagesterone. So if anybody has
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 3: ever been trying to get pregnant or is pregnant, or
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 3: knows anything about the hormone progesterone, you know how important
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 3: it is. And actually there is people coming out against
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 3: thailand All and any a scene of minefit saying it
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 3: is actually horrible for pregnant women to take thailand All
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 3: because it stops your body producing progesterone and can cause miscarriages.
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 2: And I'm going to tell you this, I'm sure many women,
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 2: especially when they're pregnant, are going to be taking a
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 2: scene of metaphine or an aspirin, which are totally different,
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 2: because you're going to be feeling pain where you've felt pain.
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 2: You're not gonna you know what I mean, You're gonna
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 2: be getting headaches when you used to not get headaches,
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 2: all sorts of stuff.
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 3: So they always if you google it, like what's safe
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 3: to take for a headache during pregnancy. You're only allowed
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 3: to take a seda menifin, not advil, not aspirin, not
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 3: eyberprofen aceedam menafin extra strength. That's what you're allowed to take.
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 3: And that's the one thing that shuts your progesterone off
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 3: and can it raises your likelihood of having a miscarriage
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 3: by fifty.
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 2: See. I don't know anything about any of that.
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 3: Again, it's marketed to us as totally safe, whether it
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 3: has cyanide in it or not. Johnson and Johnson literally
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 3: they're always getting lawsuits because they don't market things with
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 3: all like full transparency about the product. A lot of
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 3: big pharma companies don't do that, but they have. Johnson
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 3: and Johnson also announced that the company has agreed to
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 3: pay eight point nine billion over the course of twenty
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 3: five years to settle all current and future claims that
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 3: the company's baby powder and other cosmetic products caused cancer
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 3: and contains toxic ingredients.
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 2: Now I did know about that one, because that one's
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 2: a lot. That one's actually pretty new.
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 3: So think about that. Think about if Johnson and Johnson
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 3: was willing to cover up the cyanide deaths like weep see,
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 3: and they do. They're starting to get lawsuits from pregnant
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 3: women that the sea defenomen is not safe to take.
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 3: They have already gotten lawsuits against their baby powder because
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 3: it contains toxic shit that was giving you fucking butthole
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 3: boards or whatever the fuck it was doing. Like you're
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 3: just trying to powder your asshole after you take a
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 3: shower and end up did thanks Jane, j.
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 2: I don't know the severity of those cases. I ignorant
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 2: of that. I didn't know about the baby powder thing,
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 2: you know, And I'm not above saying that like cover
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 2: ups wouldn't happen, especially when it could come to millions
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 2: of dollars. The difference here is, I know potassium cyanide
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 2: is not a ingredient in a seed of metaphine, right,
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 2: all right, that's one part I do know now when
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 2: you're talking about the baby powder, that's straight up the
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 2: ingredients they were used in a sea of metaphine. When
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 2: you're taking a seat of metaphin. That's what's causing that
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 2: stuff to happen to those women. So I mean, why
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 2: while I don't understand what is happening or why it's happening,
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 2: or you know, I'm not educated on stuff like that.
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 2: I do know that potassium cyanide does not go It's.
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 3: In a broader spectrum.
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 2: Brian.
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 3: Think of it as people who blindly trust that if
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 3: they pick something up at the local grocery store that
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 3: you're not going to die from it, or nothing bad
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 3: is going to happen to you fevere powder.
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and some people. You know, some of that stuff
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 2: just comes from experience. Though, Like for me to say
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 2: that I've never taken a seat of medaphine or an
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 2: advill or you know, an aspirin when I have pain
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 2: or I'm dealing with like a headache or something or
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 2: a fever. I do do that, not as much as
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 2: probably other people, but like I will do it, especially
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 2: if like that's the only thing holding me back from
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 2: like being able to get through a day of work
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 2: or something. Yeah, you know, if I'm in pain again,
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 2: that's me making the conference.
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 3: It's like paying the fiddler, you know, you have to.
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 3: You do it with like your teeth clinch, you open
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 3: in the bottle. You're like, I don't want to take
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 3: a tile in all, but I have to kind of thing. Oh.
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 2: It's like it's like when I go to the dentist,
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 2: I probably don't watch you jam at those needles into
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 2: my mouth, but I'll tell you it's sure as hell
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 2: gonna beat that feeling or that drill tear me apart? True,
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 2: Hey blah, what's all the guys go to dentist? Now?
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 3: Get this ship, Brian, Get this ship, because I'm talking
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 3: about people turning a blind eye to Johnson and Johnson
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 3: after all this Cyanide stuff went down because a lot
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 3: of people don't even know that this shit ever happened.
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 3: I didn't know what ever happened until we started researching
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 3: this ship. And that is why I'm on my soapbox
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 3: right now, because little did I know. And they make
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 3: billions and billions of dollars because they make over the
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 3: counter stuff and they make big pharma stuff. They made
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 3: their own COVID job, which is another a whole episode.
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 3: But did you know that Johnson and Johnson makes listerine
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 3: band aids name brand Pepsid, which they have lawsuits against
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 3: Pepsid now because it's fucking people up. They make a Veno,
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 3: they make Zertech nutri Gena, and then they have all
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 3: these big pharma meds like Stalara dazlateech blah blah blah,
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 3: up traviy simtusa, which, by the way, if any of
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 3: those sound familiar to you, you may be finding yourself
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 3: calling one of those TV lawyers that was like, were
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 3: you taking simtusa and your dick fell off? Call one
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 3: eight hundred nubbed up because they are just use your
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 3: dick and dial the number or put it in a
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 3: vacuum cleaner.
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 2: Now, you know what's interesting about some of the stuff
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 2: you're saying that Johnson and Johnson actually does not own
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 2: band aid anymore.
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 3: They gave it away.
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 2: Well, no, they had a spinoff company called ken View,
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 2: and ken View owns a lot of those type of
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 2: products like band aid and things like that.
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 3: So the rest of them, like benadrylmodium, pseudo fed.
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 2: I actually think those are probably still under Johnson and Johnson.
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 2: I can look up what went under ken vy View,
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 2: because that's a company that just sprung up on the
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 2: Because this happens regularly. I don't know if anybody like
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 2: invests in three M, but three M just had their
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 2: medical division break off and become its own company, and
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 2: now that's publicly traded. That's called soul Ventum, mhm, ken View.
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 2: Let me see what ken View sells, just so people
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 2: know what you know. And so that means Johnson and
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 2: Johnson is not a parent company to ken View. Ken
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 2: View is its own. Uh so they ken View owns Thailand. Ah,
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 2: so you want me to tell you every everything under
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 2: the ken View.
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 3: They took Thailand.
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 2: Ay? Yes, so ken Irobaly wanted to.
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 3: Get rid of it because it's killing uh vetuses.
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 2: Uh ken View, Listerine, Johnson's baby is under ken View from.
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 3: All the deadly scraps.
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 2: Nicorette is under their Avino is under kent View. Thailand
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 2: all is under ken View. WoT Regina is under ken View,
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 2: motrid Zertech, Benadrille, band Aid, doctor Clabo, I've never heard
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 2: of that. Arbi's Zarbi's Naturals. So that's them, Like, that's
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 2: them going after that. Probably Holistic Medicine Avenue because it's
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 2: like zarbis inspired by nature.
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 3: And toxic poisons.
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 2: Let's see. Let's see what. Let's see what their products.
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 3: Are inspired by Bill Gates.
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 2: It won't let me. It wants me to download cookies
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 2: and I don't want to do it. But so, guys,
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 2: ken View actually has a lot of the big named
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 2: like over that seems like they got most of that
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 2: over the counter stuff. Almost everything's over the so Zarbi's
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 2: is going to be over the counter, titles, over the counter, listenering,
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 2: over the counter, nicarettes. I don't know if Nicorett's over
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 2: the counter.
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 3: I think Wette over the counter.
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 2: They like boatrain and band aids, you're gonna buy over
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 2: the calendar.
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 3: My thing though, is like they also make splenda. Johnson
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 3: and Johnson also makes splenda, which is causing cancer. And like,
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 3: think about this, Brian, if you had the trifecta going on,
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 3: like benadryl, emmodium and pseudo fed and I know, like
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 3: you're just screwed. Like if you have an allergy, sinus, headache,
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 3: and massive diarrhea at the same time, you're gonna need
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 3: Johnson and Johnson.
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 2: Like I better as well live at Johnson and Johnson
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 2: after Mexican food man.
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 3: They also make a y jelly.
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 2: There you go. Who who doesn't want to have that
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 2: land around?
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and if you get really fucked up, they also
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 5: make mona stat it's for all you see.
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 3: Karen's laughing because.
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 5: You know mana'stat when you have a yeaster and you
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 5: need some suita fed emmodium and ben adrillae when.
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 2: The northeaster windsors rids are flying at But they.
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 3: Also make Coach perfume. Did you know that Coach? Yeah,
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 3: like the brand for like middle aged soccer moms.
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, mm hmm.
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 3: And I just to summit all up, I just think
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 3: it's really crazy that after all this cyanide stuff went down,
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 3: people still buy the products. They buy them every day,
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 3: they take them maybe every day, or use them in
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 3: some capacity every day. And does anybody know the names
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 3: of these people who's fucking got liquefied? Like nobody knows
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 3: their names, but everybody knows what Tayland All is.
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 2: Oh, I know?
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 3: And Johnson and Johnson is the hero of the story.
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 2: Well it's just convenient, which is can be? I mean,
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 2: I get it, I get it.
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 3: So to sum up, Brian, are you going with Johnson
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 3: and Johnson worships the devil because that's still on the table.
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 3: Are you going with accidental contamination? Are you going with
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 3: disgruntled employee the guy who wrote the letter James or
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 3: whatever his name is, or are you going with in
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 3: store bandit? You have abcd E.
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 2: You know what I actually, you know what, I actually,
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 2: if I had to guess, like if I just had
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 2: to say, what does my gut tell me? Because whatever
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 2: we do is going to be based mostly on speculation,
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 2: because they didn't get very far with this, And I
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 2: would say that that if you want to look into Loui,
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 2: it's interesting he's actually done interviews before where they ask
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 2: him what he thinks happened. I do find it strangely
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 2: convenient that he wrote that letter and then recanted his
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 2: story beforehand. But you know, just similar to like any detective,
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 2: I would always say who has the most to gain?
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 2: So I would I would look at it two ways.
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 2: With Johnson and Johnson, they had a lot to lose, Like,
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 2: that's a serious gamble to be gambling with that much
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 2: when you already have that type of market share to
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 2: have to recall three hundred and fifty dollars million dollars
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 2: worth of pills and take that hit. They lost ninety
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 2: percent of their market share for that, Like that was
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 2: too much of a gamble for them to like knowingly
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 2: have something to do with this to come out on
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 2: the other side of hero Would I say that their
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 2: marketing team and their business itself seized a very opportunistic
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 2: advantage that they jumped on this bandwagon and said, let's
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 2: use this for whatever we can to prop ourselves up. Yeah,
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 2: I do. I think they did do that, because I
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 2: think any business would do that afterwards. But I do
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 2: think they had the risk of losing the entire market
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 2: on this, and I think the person or entity that
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 2: had the most to gain would have been a competitor
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 2: or somebody who literally worked there and hated their guns.
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 3: So that's what your guest's telling you. Yeah, well, maybe
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 3: you need an emmodium, because my gut is telling me
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 3: that it is because they worshiped Satan in the set
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 3: and they're trying to kill people. But if I had
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 3: an alternative theory, I would actually agree with you. I
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 3: would say it was probably a disgruntled employee. But firstly,
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 3: the the disgruntled employee also worships.
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 2: Saint and and and and the disgruntled employee either. It
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 2: was actually like, whoever gets this bottle is expendable for
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 2: my which you know, and fortunate for that they didn't
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 2: have to be there to watch the pain and suffering
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 2: that they caused these families.
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 3: Mm hmm.
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 2: I mean that one family just getting completely wiped out.
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 2: Mm hmm while they're grieving. Yeah, in Sae.
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 3: Johnson and Johnson are are big heroes because they saved
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 3: you that one time you ate too many chili dogs.
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 3: Now, Brian, we've made it through this entire episode, and
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 3: I just realized I didn't plug my fucking microphone in,
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 3: So I hope everyone enjoys this laptop quality performance. I
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 3: just looked over it and I was.
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 2: Like, my microphone, you sound good over here.
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 3: So okay, good Now for the first time listener, Brian,
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 3: it's been a while since we did an episode together.
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 3: Can you let everyone know where they can find you.
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I do a podcast called Cleveland Schwill. I hadn't
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 2: or I have not released an episode in a little
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 2: bit because of all this other stuff that's been going on.
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 2: But I'm I'm I've been working and I'm gonna get it.
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 2: Tried to get started back up here pretty soon, and
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 2: Cleven Schwell's on all the major platforms that you can
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 2: find podcasts, and we talk about all sorts of interesting stuff, and.
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 3: We will be doing an on site investigation in just
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 3: a few weeks, so everybody will have to stay tuned
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 3: for that and I'm sure we'll do a recap episode
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 3: after our adventure and let all the listeners know how
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 3: it goes.
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 2: Absolutely, and I appreciate you getting with me on this
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 2: one and having this idea because I wasn't finding much
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 2: on the other one. But I would like to revisit
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 2: and I know this is so cryptic for people listening,
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 2: but I would like to revisit the topic you sent me,
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 2: so b when that topic comes up, we will tell
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 2: people that.
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 3: He shitted on it first. So I have some good
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 3: ideas and like how to go with that, but we can.
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 3: We can do it later. Maybe we'll bring my brother
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 3: on and we'll just tell him about all the atrocities
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 3: and let's let's just get his reaction. It'll be a
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 3: reaction podcast.
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 2: Oh I love those, me too, Me too.
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 3: But thanks so much for joining me tonight, Brian. I
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 3: really appreciate it, and thank you to all the listeners
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 3: out there. We will catch you on the next one.