Latest / Reformed Thinking / Jonathan Edwards: Revival, Joy, and the Glory of Christ | John Piper
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- 0:00Welcome to the deep dive from reformed thinking.
- 0:03Today we're diving into a pile of sources we've collected on a
- 0:06figure who, well, still sparks a lot of discussion centuries
- 0:10later. Jonathan Edwards.
- 0:13Definitely a significant figure. We've been looking through
- 0:15various notes, excerpts mostly focusing on how John Piper views
- 0:21Edwards life and his thinking. Right, Piper's lens gives a
- 0:25specific angle. Our goal here really is to
- 0:28unpack this material together. We want to pull out the main
- 0:31moments, the key ideas, maybe some things you wouldn't expect
- 0:34about Edward's life. Yeah, to give you a clear
- 0:36picture without you having to sift through everything
- 0:39yourself. Exactly.
- 0:40We'll look at his intellect, which was obviously sharp, his
- 0:42spiritual life, his time as a pastor.
- 0:44His influence which was huge. And yeah, we also need to touch
- 0:48on some of the, let's say, difficult parts of his time and
- 0:51how he fits into that. It's definitely a lot to cover,
- 0:53but these sources, especially with the Piper focus, really
- 0:56zero in on Edwards core motivation.
- 0:59And what stands out right away from that perspective?
- 1:01Well, the thing that just jumps off the page in these sources is
- 1:05how incredibly focused he was on God.
- 1:08I mean, completely OK. The sources really set him apart
- 1:10from later thinkers because for him, the reality and supremacy
- 1:15of a personal supernatural God wasn't just an ID.
- 1:19Yeah, it was like the absolute center of everything he thought
- 1:23and did. That focus sounds like the main
- 1:25thread then, running through his whole life, starting from the
- 1:27very beginning. Seems like it.
- 1:29So let's start there. His beginnings.
- 1:31What did the sources tell us about his birth?
- 1:34His family situation. OK, so Jonathan Edwards, born
- 1:38October 5, 1703, that was in Windsor, CT.
- 1:42Windsor, OK. And he came from a big family.
- 1:44He was actually the only son with 10 sisters.
- 1:46Wow, one boy and 10 girls. That's quite the dynamic.
- 1:49Yeah, and his father, Timothy Edwards, was the local
- 1:52congregational pastor, so that sets the scene pretty clearly.
- 1:55Definitely a religious upbringing, and the sources
- 1:57mentioned his father's influence on his education specifically,
- 2:01don't they? They do.
- 2:02It wasn't just, you know, general religious instruction.
- 2:05Timothy Edwards was apparently quite learned himself and really
- 2:09took charge of Jonathan's early schooling.
- 2:11How so? The sources make a point of
- 2:14saying Timothy taught Jonathan Latin when he was just six years
- 2:17old. 6 Latin. Yeah, which is, you know,
- 2:20remarkably early. It really shows the kind of
- 2:22intellectual environment he was in right from the start.
- 2:25Starting Latin at six definitely paints a picture, and this early
- 2:29academic push, it seems like it set him up well because the
- 2:34sources say he went off to Yale incredibly young.
- 2:36That's right, he was sent to Yale when he was 12. 12 years
- 2:39old? Yep.
- 2:40And he finished his undergraduate studies pretty
- 2:42fast, graduating in 1720. And didn't he give the
- 2:45graduation speech? He did?
- 2:47Yeah. He delivered the valedictory
- 2:49address. Adding to that picture of, well,
- 2:51early brilliance. And it was in Latin, which was
- 2:54the custom back then. So he graduates Yale at 17.
- 2:57Teen gives the big speech in Latin.
- 2:59But he wasn't done with school yet, the sources show.
- 3:02He stayed on at Yale after getting his degree to.
- 3:04Prepare for ministry, yeah. Exactly that.
- 3:07He kept studying for another two years, specifically focused on
- 3:11getting ready for ministry work right then.
- 3:13He actually came back again in September 1723, did some more
- 3:17study, got his Master of Arts degree, and also started
- 3:20tutoring at Yale. So Yale was really foundational
- 3:23for him intellectually in those early years.
- 3:25Before he came back for the MA in the tutoring though, wasn't
- 3:28there a short stint somewhere else?
- 3:30The sources mentioned him preaching early on.
- 3:33Right. Yes, he got license to preach
- 3:35when he was 1919, and his very first actual pastor job was at
- 3:39the Scotch Presbyterian Church in New York City.
- 3:42He was only there for about 8 months though, August 1722 to
- 3:45April 1723. Just a short time, but that's
- 3:48the start of his active ministry outside of just studying for.
- 3:51It pretty much, yeah. His first real taste of pastoral
- 3:54work. OK, so after that brief New York
- 3:56stint, he's back at Yale studying, tutoring, building
- 4:00that intellectual base. Now you mentioned earlier the
- 4:03Bible being the core influence. Let's dig into that and the
- 4:06other influences on his thinking, because the sources
- 4:09have some really important points here.
- 4:10Yeah, the sources couldn't be clearer on this.
- 4:13For Edwards, the Bible, the Holy Scriptures were absolutely the
- 4:17number one foundational influence, period.
- 4:20Everything else flowed from that.
- 4:21He was totally convinced of it. The sources quote him saying
- 4:24something like all knowledge and divinity must be derived from
- 4:28scripture. All knowledge.
- 4:30That's a strong statement. How did that play out for him
- 4:32practically? Well, it wasn't just something
- 4:34he said. Sources talk about his assiduous
- 4:38meaning. Like super diligent and constant
- 4:41and very direct grappling with the biblical text itself.
- 4:44He wasn't just reading it passively.
- 4:45He really dug in, and there's that famous thing about his
- 4:48Bible, right? The interleaved 1.
- 4:49Yes, the sources make a big deal of this.
- 4:52He literally took blank pages and had them bound into his
- 4:55Bible between the printed pages. So he could write right
- 4:58alongside the text. Exactly, and he filled those
- 5:01pages with tons of notes, reflections, cross references,
- 5:05all in this tiny tiny handwriting.
- 5:07Covered pretty much the whole Bible, even the parts people
- 5:10might skip over. It just shows how deeply
- 5:13immersed he was, the sources say.
- 5:15He put faithfulness to the Word of God before every other
- 5:18consideration. That kind of direct, intense
- 5:21personal work with a text is really something.
- 5:24The sources call it the wellspring of his profoundly
- 5:27biblical rethinking. OK, but then you see names like
- 5:31John Locke pop up. How does someone like Locke fit
- 5:35in if the Bible is so primary? Right.
- 5:38And this is where the sources provide a really important
- 5:39clarification, kind of pushing back against a common idea about
- 5:42Edwards. He read Locke's essay concerning
- 5:45Human Understanding when he was about 15. 15 Wow.
- 5:48Yeah, and the sources say he got immense pleasure from it, like
- 5:51they compare his excitement to a miser finding a treasure chest.
- 5:54OK, well that sounds like Locke must have been a huge influence.
- 5:57Maybe push him towards empiricism or something.
- 5:59It sounds like it could, yeah, but the sources are really
- 6:02careful here. They say while he found Locke
- 6:04stimulating, valuable, even that enjoyment did not mean he agreed
- 6:08with everything Locke was saying.
- 6:11Specifically, the sources emphasize it did not mean he
- 6:14adopted Locke's empiricism or his skepticism about certain
- 6:17types of knowledge or any, you know, potential materialist
- 6:20leanings in Locke's philosophy. So maybe he appreciated Locke's
- 6:25way of analyzing the mind, the method, but not the
- 6:29philosophical conclusions Locke reached.
- 6:31That seems to be the interpretation the sources
- 6:33offer. They argue really strongly
- 6:35against the idea that Edwards started out as some kind of lock
- 6:38in. They call that a myth that needs
- 6:40to be put to rest. So what was Edwards,
- 6:42philosophically speaking, according to these sources?
- 6:45They insist he remained A philosophical rationalist, a
- 6:47supernaturalist and a metaphysician his whole life.
- 6:50OK, let's unpack those terms a bit.
- 6:52What does that mean in this context?
- 6:54Philosophical. Rationalist.
- 6:55Good question. So a philosophical rationalist
- 6:59here would suggest Edwards believed certain core truths,
- 7:02especially about God and reality, could be known through
- 7:05reason or were just inherently part of how reality is
- 7:09structured, not solely based on sense experience like Locke
- 7:12might argue. OK, so reason plays a big role,
- 7:15not just experience. Right.
- 7:17And a supernaturalist obviously believes in the supernatural
- 7:19realm, God acting, intervening, being the ultimate reality
- 7:23behind what we see, opposed to views that limit reality just to
- 7:27the material or observable. Makes sense and metaphysician.
- 7:30That just means he wrestled with the big questions about the
- 7:32fundamental nature of reality, existence, time, 'cause mind,
- 7:37matter, stuff like that, which he clearly did in his writings.
- 7:40Gotcha. So he could find Locke's
- 7:43analysis interesting, maybe even helpful in how he thought about
- 7:46the mind. But his basic framework for
- 7:49understanding God, the soul, the world that stayed rooted
- 7:52elsewhere, rooted in his theology, ultimately.
- 7:55That's the picture the sources paint.
- 7:57He appreciated Locke's tools perhaps, but didn't adopt the
- 7:59whole locking system. OK, now closer to home, his
- 8:04grandfather, Solomon Stoddard. He was a big figure in Edward's
- 8:09life and ministry. Context.
- 8:11Huge. Solomon Stoddard wasn't just his
- 8:13grandfather, he was also the pastor in Northampton for a very
- 8:17long time right before Edwards took over.
- 8:19So Stoddard's influence really shaped the church and the
- 8:23community that Edward stepped into and.
- 8:25Where was that influence felt most strongly?
- 8:28The sources really zero in on Stoddard's views about church
- 8:31membership and who should be allowed to take the Lord's
- 8:34Supper. Stoddard had brought in this
- 8:36practice of admitting people to communion even if they hadn't
- 8:39made a credible profession of, you know, saving faith.
- 8:42He saw Communion itself as a way to get converted.
- 8:45Yeah, he called it a converting ordinance.
- 8:47He hoped that by taking part in the supper, people might
- 8:50actually come to faith through that act.
- 8:52That's definitely different from the more traditional Puritan
- 8:54view, where the supper was more for those who already believed.
- 8:57Very different. And this is where Stoddard's
- 8:59influence becomes really crucial, even though Edwards
- 9:01eventually went the other way. Because Edwards later rejected
- 9:04Stoddard's practice. His view that only people who
- 9:07showed credible signs of being godly or gracious persons should
- 9:11come to the table, well, that became a massive point of
- 9:14conflict later on. The conflict that got him fired,
- 9:17essentially, which just shows how Central Stoddard's legacy,
- 9:20even in disagreement, was to the situation Edwards faced.
- 9:24Absolutely. It shows the deep impact
- 9:27Stoddard had, even leading to that later break.
- 9:30Now. The sources also mentioned
- 9:32Edwards engaging with other philosophical ideas floating
- 9:35around at the time. What sort of ideas?
- 9:37Well, particularly in his later philosophical writings like The
- 9:40Nature of True Virtue, the sources show him interacting
- 9:43with something called sentimental ethics, which was
- 9:46gaining ground in the 18th century.
- 9:48Sentimental ethics? Can you remind us what that's
- 9:50about? Sure.
- 9:52Basically it was a shift some thinkers were making.
- 9:54Instead of grounding morality strictly in God's commands or
- 9:57pure reason, they started locating it in human feelings,
- 10:00sentiments, or natural affections.
- 10:02The idea was like we know something is right or wrong
- 10:05because it triggers a certain feeling or moral sense inside
- 10:08us. OK, like Shaftsbury or
- 10:09Hutchinson, those guys. Exactly.
- 10:11The sources mention the Earl of Shaftsbury, Francis Hutchison,
- 10:14Samuel Clark as examples of people exploring these kinds of
- 10:18ideas. And how did Edwards engage with
- 10:20that? Did he adopt it?
- 10:22No, not according to these sources.
- 10:24They frame it more as him responding to these ideas from
- 10:27his own theological base. His goal, they suggest, was to
- 10:31give that earlier 17th century Puritan pietism a respectable
- 10:36philosophical structure. So using his theology to build a
- 10:39philosophical case. Yeah, he believed his biblical
- 10:42viewer offered the true rendering of reality and could
- 10:46stand up to these other philosophical systems.
- 10:48He wanted to show that a strong biblical worldview could answer
- 10:51those deep questions about virtue and reality better than
- 10:55these newer sentimentalist approaches.
- 10:57So he's engaging philosophy, but on his own terms, grounded in
- 11:01theology. That's the idea he's trying to
- 11:03show. His framework is more coherent,
- 11:05more true. The sources also group him with
- 11:08some big European philosophers of that era, Leibniz,
- 11:11Melabranche, Pascal. What's the significance of
- 11:13putting him in that company? It suggests that Edwards was
- 11:16seen, and probably saw himself as working in a similar
- 11:20intellectual league. These guys are described as
- 11:23philosophers who thought freely but did so within a dogmatic
- 11:27tradition, meaning they engaged in serious philosophical
- 11:31thinking, but their fundamental beliefs, their theological or
- 11:35metaphysical dogma, still guided and shaped their conclusions.
- 11:39Which fits Edwards perfectly given his reliance on Scripture.
- 11:42Right now, this deep philosophical engagement
- 11:46sometimes LED people to think he was getting sidetracked, going
- 11:49beyond the immediate concerns of the ministry.
- 11:52But the sources always circle back.
- 11:54Despite wrestling with all these philosophical ideas, his
- 11:58defining trait remain his utter supernaturalism and godwardness.
- 12:02There's that core focus again. Yeah, and the sources suggested
- 12:04this is what made him seem gloriously unmodern, especially
- 12:08in an age that was starting to push God to the margins of
- 12:10public life and thought. His final authority, they stress
- 12:14again and again, was moral theology, which for Edwards
- 12:17basically meant relying on the Bible as the ultimate source of
- 12:20truth about everything that mattered.
- 12:21That really clarifies his intellectual world, rooted in
- 12:25the Bible, aware of and engaging with philosophy, but completely
- 12:29centered on God. OK, let's just focus inward now.
- 12:33The sources paint a picture of incredible personal intensity
- 12:36and discipline in his spiritual life.
- 12:37Oh, definitely. This inner drive really comes
- 12:40through in those famous resolutions he wrote.
- 12:42He wrote them when he was young, basically laying out rules for
- 12:45himself, how he intended to live, especially his spiritual
- 12:48life. I've heard about those, they
- 12:49sound incredibly strict. Can you give an example of two
- 12:52from the sources? Sure, resolution #44 is quoted
- 12:55that no other end but religion shall have any influence at all
- 12:58in any of my actions. Wow.
- 13:01No other end but religion. Yeah, and Resolution 61 was
- 13:04about avoiding listlessness in religion.
- 13:07You know, apathy, lack of energy or interest.
- 13:10That first one, no other end but religion.
- 13:11That sounds really radical. The sources call it a radical
- 13:15application of biblical ideas, like citing Second Timothy 2.4
- 13:19about a soldier being totally focused on pleasing his
- 13:22commanding officer. The argument is that this
- 13:24intense, single minded focus on religion is what allowed him to
- 13:28do the amazing things he accomplished.
- 13:31But how did he understand religion or divinity when he
- 13:34said that? What did it mean to him?
- 13:35Well, for Edwards, religion wasn't just like going to church
- 13:38or personal piety, the sources explain.
- 13:41It meant the whole package. Christian living and thinking
- 13:44comprehensive. And this living and thinking was
- 13:47grounded in what he called the science of divinity.
- 13:50You use science for theology again there.
- 13:52Yeah, and that older sense of a systematic body of knowledge,
- 13:55not like modern lab coats and experiments.
- 13:57And the main object of this science, the sources say, was
- 14:00God himself the eternal 3 and 1. But not only God the Father.
- 14:04No, it was broader. It included studying Jesus
- 14:06Christ, the God, man, the Mediator, the whole work of
- 14:09redemption, heavenly realities, the Holy Spirit's work, our duty
- 14:13towards God, and even the process of becoming like God
- 14:16Himself. So the single minded focus
- 14:19wasn't narrow at all. It was aimed at this incredibly
- 14:22vast, deep understanding of God and everything connected to Him.
- 14:27And like we said, pursuing the science was all about Scripture
- 14:30for Him. Absolutely.
- 14:31The sources really hammer this home.
- 14:32He was a dedicated student of the Bible, studied theology not
- 14:36chiefly in systems or commentaries, but in the Bible
- 14:38itself. He was always telling people be
- 14:40assiduous in reading the Holy Scriptures, calling it the
- 14:43fountain where all true knowledge of divinity comes
- 14:46from. And that interleaved Bible we
- 14:48talked about is the prime exhibit of that.
- 14:50Totally. You picture him with that Bible,
- 14:53crammed with tiny notes, wrestling with it, constantly
- 14:56finding stuff even in obscure corners of scripture.
- 14:59His 28th resolution connects right to this, to study the
- 15:02Scripture so steadily, constantly and frequently as
- 15:06that I may find and plainly perceive myself to grow in the
- 15:09knowledge of the same. He directly linked that to
- 15:11Second Peter 3.19 about growing in the knowledge of Christ.
- 15:15That level of study must have taken an insane amount of time.
- 15:18What do the sources say about his actual study habits?
- 15:21Get this? He commonly spent 13 or 14 hours
- 15:24a day in his study. 13 or 14 hours a day.
- 15:28Yeah, day after day. Just imagine dedicating that
- 15:32much focus time to reading, thinking, writing about theology
- 15:36in the Bible. To keep that up for years, yeah,
- 15:39he must have needed extraordinary physical
- 15:41discipline, too, especially since the sources mentioned his
- 15:44health wasn't perfect. Right, they noticed physique.
- 15:47He was tall, 6 foot one, but also mentioned his precarious
- 15:50health. Yet they say there's no hint of
- 15:53instability in his thinking or work.
- 15:56How did he manage it? Through really careful attention
- 15:58to his diet and exercise. He saw those as supporting his
- 16:01main work. Completely, the sources say he
- 16:04managed his physical habits specifically to optimize his
- 16:06efficiency and power and study. So even eating and exercising,
- 16:10we're strategic. That's exactly the picture.
- 16:12He paid close attention to how different foods affected him
- 16:15physically and mentally. He chose foods that he felt
- 16:18suited his constitution for intense mental labor, and he
- 16:21deliberately avoided stuff that made him feel sick or drowsy.
- 16:24His diary entry is from when he was young mentioned this.
- 16:26Right. Yeah, Yeah.
- 16:27When he was 21, he listed the benefits he saw and being
- 16:30careful with his diet. Sparingness, he called it.
- 16:33He thought it would help them live longer, spend less time
- 16:36digesting, study harder without I'll effects, need less sleep
- 16:39and have fewer headaches. His resolution on this was
- 16:42blunt. Maintain the strictest
- 16:45temperance in food and drink. And exercise was part of this
- 16:48structured plan too. Yep.
- 16:49In winter, the sources say, he'd chopped firewood for half an
- 16:53hour every day. Practical work, yeah.
- 16:56And in summer, he'd exercise by riding his horse or walking
- 16:59alone in the fields and woods. But those summer outings weren't
- 17:02just about fitness. The sources connect them
- 17:04directly to divine contemplation.
- 17:07So even his exercise was tied into his spiritual focus.
- 17:12That's interesting. The sources do mention you had a
- 17:13real appreciation for nature. They do.
- 17:15They say He had qualities you might call romantic and Mystic,
- 17:18going beyond just cold logic. He wrote about being sometimes
- 17:22disposed to regard the glories of the world.
- 17:24But he didn't stop there. He connected that natural beauty
- 17:27directly to seeing and feeling God's glory.
- 17:30Like Psalm 19, the heavens declare the glory of God.
- 17:33And there's that specific story, that powerful experience he had
- 17:37out in nature. Yeah, a really famous account.
- 17:39In 1737 he was out riding in the woods, partly for his health,
- 17:44and he describes having this extraordinary view like a direct
- 17:47sense of the glory of the Son of God.
- 17:49An intense spiritual experience. So intense, he said, that it
- 17:53just overwhelmed him. He ended up weeping for about an
- 17:56hour, completely overcome by the sense of Christ, glory and
- 18:00grace. It's a powerful example of how
- 18:02his physical routines, his love for nature, and his deep
- 18:06spiritual life all flowed together.
- 18:08He was clearly so careful about structuring his life for, well,
- 18:12maximum spiritual and intellectual output, including
- 18:15how he used his time. His resolutions hit that hard
- 18:18too. One was to live with all my
- 18:20might while I do live another #5 never to lose 1 moment of time,
- 18:24but to improve it in the most profitable way I can.
- 18:26Just constantly aware of every minute.
- 18:28Seems like it. The sources describe how he made
- 18:31it a habit to write down his thoughts immediately, even
- 18:34getting up in the middle of the night if an idea struck him.
- 18:37And when he travelled on horseback, he'd use that time
- 18:39for thinking. To keep track of his train of
- 18:42thought, he'd pin little notes to his coat in sequence.
- 18:45Pinning notes to his code. Yeah, it paints this picture of
- 18:48a mind that was just always working, always trying to
- 18:51capture insights, always focused on redeeming the time for God
- 18:55centered work. OK, so we have his background,
- 18:58his intellectual world, his intense inner life.
- 19:01Let's turn now to his public ministry, especially his time in
- 19:04Northampton. That period saw both incredible
- 19:07revival and eventually major conflict.
- 19:10Right. Edwards went back to Northampton
- 19:12in September 1726. At first he was assisting his
- 19:15grandfather, Solomon Stoddard. Then, after Stoddard died,
- 19:19Edwards took over as the main pastor and.
- 19:21What was the situation like in Northampton when he got there?
- 19:24Was it a spiritually vibrant place?
- 19:26Not according to the sources. They describe the town and
- 19:28church as pretty LAX and degenerate.
- 19:31Specific problems. Yeah, quite a few things like
- 19:34general dissipation, licentiousness especially among
- 19:37the young people, Sabbath not being respected, people causing
- 19:41disturbances during worship services, and even serious
- 19:44contention between different factions in the town.
- 19:48That sounds like a pretty challenging environment to step
- 19:50into. Definitely not easy.
- 19:52So given his intense focus on study and writing that we just
- 19:55talked about, how did he approach his pastoral duties in
- 19:59that kind of messy situation? Well, the sources note his sense
- 20:02of priorities. Edwards apparently believed he
- 20:05could do the greatest good and best promote the cause of Christ
- 20:09by concentrating his efforts on preaching and writing and
- 20:12conversing with persons under religious impressions in his
- 20:14study. Rather than, say, lots of
- 20:16routine home visits. Right.
- 20:18He seems to have focused his time where he felt he could have
- 20:20the biggest spiritual impact, which for him was more in the
- 20:23pulpit, the study, and dealing with people wrestling with
- 20:27spiritual questions, less on the kind of broad house to house
- 20:30visiting that might have been more typical then.
- 20:32He was strategic with his time and this period in Northampton,
- 20:36it famously coincided with the peak of the Great Awakening.
- 20:39It did. Things started stirring about
- 20:41five years after he arrived in the early 1730s, but the real
- 20:45peak of revival activity in his church was during the mid 1730s
- 20:49and into the early 1740s. And Edwards was central to all
- 20:52that. Oh yeah, The sources put him at
- 20:54the heart of this awakening. He wasn't just watching it
- 20:57happen. He was actively involved in
- 20:59sparking it, defending it, analyzing it, and recounting it
- 21:03through his preaching, his writing, everything.
- 21:05His preaching was obviously a key part of it.
- 21:07And his most famous sermon, the one everyone knows, came from
- 21:10this time, right? That's the one sinners in the
- 21:12hands of an angry God. He actually preached it not in
- 21:15Northampton, but in Enfield, CT on July 8th, 1741.
- 21:20The sources specifically mentioned it causing an
- 21:22immediate revival right there in that congregation.
- 21:25It's become almost the symbol of the Great Awakening for many
- 21:28people. But beyond just that one sermon,
- 21:30his writing also seriously engaged with what was happening
- 21:33during the Awakening. Absolutely.
- 21:35His book treatise concerning the religious affections is a major
- 21:39example. It's seen as his sort of mature
- 21:43analysis of the revival experiences.
- 21:45He was trying to help people figure out the difference
- 21:47between genuine spiritual transformation and, you know,
- 21:51just temporary emotional excitement, looking at the
- 21:54nature and the results of people's religious feelings.
- 21:57So a time of amazing spiritual energy.
- 21:59But as we hinted at, it didn't end well for him in Northampton.
- 22:03The sources call the road to his dismissal convoluted and
- 22:06painful. What were the main things that
- 22:08led to it? The sources seem to point to two
- 22:11key flare ups. The first was around 1744.
- 22:15OK, what happened then? It started because some
- 22:17licentious books were apparently circulating among the young
- 22:20people, along with some crude language being used.
- 22:23Edwards, supported by the church leadership, initially wanted to
- 22:26investigate this and deal with the individuals involved through
- 22:29church discipline. Sounds reasonable.
- 22:31Where did it go wrong? Well, according to the sources,
- 22:33Edwards made a move that they describe as unwise.
- 22:37When calling young people to come to his house about the
- 22:40matter, he publicly read out a list of names.
- 22:43The big problem was he didn't make it clear who was being
- 22:47accused of wrongdoing versus who was just being called as a
- 22:50witness. Oh so he basically lumped
- 22:52witnesses and accused together in public.
- 22:55Could see how that would cause trouble.
- 22:56Big trouble. The sources say it led to
- 22:58significant resistance from families and the community.
- 23:02They even suggest this incident doubtless laid the foundation
- 23:05for his removal because it really damaged his relationship
- 23:08with the town and his effectiveness there.
- 23:10Wow, so that's 1744, but the actual dismissal was later 1750.
- 23:15What was the final conflict about in 1749?
- 23:18That came back to the issue we discussed earlier, his
- 23:21disagreement with his grandfather Stoddard's practice
- 23:23regarding the Lord's Supper. The converting ordinance idea
- 23:26that fully blew up. It did.
- 23:28Edwards had become fully convinced that Stoddard's
- 23:30approach was wrong. He believed firmly that only
- 23:33people who gave a credible testimony of saving faith, those
- 23:36godly or gracious persons, should be admitted to communion.
- 23:40He laid out his case publicly in a book called A Humble Inquiry,
- 23:43published in August 1749. He put his arguments out there
- 23:47for everyone to read. How did the congregation react
- 23:50to his book? According to the sources, his
- 23:52book was scarcely read by most of them.
- 23:55It seems instead of engaging with his reasoning, there is
- 23:57just this general outcry to get rid of him once his position
- 24:00became clear. The attachment to Stoddard's
- 24:03more open communion practice was just too strong.
- 24:05Sounds like a head on collision between Edwards's theological
- 24:08conviction and the congregation's established
- 24:11tradition and preference. Pretty much sums it up.
- 24:13The whole dispute dragged on for almost a year and finally they
- 24:17held a vote. The decision to dismiss him was
- 24:19officially announced on June 20 tenth, 1750.
- 24:22After he'd been their pastor for over 23 years, that's brutal.
- 24:26How did he handle the dismissal itself?
- 24:28He preached A farewell sermon a week or so later, July 1st.
- 24:32The sources describe it as being utterly serious and without
- 24:36personal rancor, which is pretty remarkable given the
- 24:38circumstances. Apparently not.
- 24:41In the sermon he expressed a kind of gracious yearning for
- 24:44their future spiritual well-being.
- 24:47He wished them well, hoped they'd find a faithful pastor,
- 24:50and basically looked ahead to the day they'd all stand before
- 24:52God. That shows incredible character
- 24:54really. But what was his practical
- 24:56situation right after they kicked him out?
- 24:58Yeah, practically it was dire. He was 46, still had nine
- 25:02children at home depending on him, and as he wrote himself, he
- 25:05had nothing visible to depend upon for future work or even for
- 25:09his family's basic needs. He called it an awful situation,
- 25:13using awful in that older sense of awe, inspiringly terrible,
- 25:17something that demanded serious thought and humility.
- 25:20But, he added, his trust was in an all sufficient faithful
- 25:24covenant God. He had to lean hard on that
- 25:26faith in that moment. But as the sources point out,
- 25:30this devastating blow wasn't the end of his story, or even his
- 25:33productivity. It actually led to his time in
- 25:35Stockbridge and some of his most important writing.
- 25:37It did. The sources frame the dismissal
- 25:40as this strange and painful Providence, but one that Gus
- 25:44used for greater purposes. Just a few months later, early
- 25:48December 1750, he got a call to go to Stockbridge, MA.
- 25:52Stockbridge. What was that?
- 25:54What was the job? Stockbridge was a frontier
- 25:56village then, pretty remote, and the call was twofold to be the
- 26:00pastor for the English settlers there and also to be a
- 26:03missionary to the Hasternak River Indians living in the
- 26:06area. Wow, so from a prominent
- 26:08established church, I'll be a difficult one to the edge of the
- 26:11wilderness doing mission work. Quite a change.
- 26:13A massive change. He accepted move there himself
- 26:16in June 1751 and the family came later that summer.
- 26:20And life in Stockbridge was definitely tough.
- 26:22What kind of challenges did he run into there?
- 26:24Oh, the sources list quite a few.
- 26:25Money was tight, especially at first before he sold his house
- 26:29back in Northampton. He apparently didn't even have
- 26:31enough money to buy paper for his writing.
- 26:33No paper for Jonathan Edwards. Right.
- 26:36Plus, he had to build a new house for his large family.
- 26:40His preaching often required using an interpreter to reach
- 26:42the Native Americans. He had to deal with the
- 26:44practical needs of the Indian converts, language issues,
- 26:48schools. And on top of all that, he got
- 26:50tangled up in local squabbles trying to mediate between
- 26:53factions and even had to confront people who are misusing
- 26:56funds meant for the mission. Sounds exhausting.
- 26:58Constant practical problems and conflicts.
- 27:01It really does demanding on many levels, but the sources say he
- 27:05dedicated himself to all these tasks with faithfulness, despite
- 27:08how hard it was. And here's the the amazing part
- 27:11It was during these seven difficult years in Stockbridge
- 27:14between 1752 and 1757 that he wrote four of his absolute most
- 27:18significant, most influential books.
- 27:20So this time of hardship turned into an incredibly fruitful
- 27:24period for his writing. Exactly.
- 27:26The sources quote some pretty high praise for these works,
- 27:29calling them four of the ablest and most valuable works which
- 27:32the Church of Christ has in its possession.
- 27:35Which four major books came out of the Stockbridge years?
- 27:38OK, the sources list them. 1st published 1754, was a careful
- 27:43and strict inquiry into the modern prevailing notions of
- 27:46that freedom of the will, often just called freedom of the will
- 27:49that one's frequently seen as his single greatest written
- 27:52work. His magnum opus, maybe?
- 27:54Arguably, yeah. Then he also wrote The End for
- 27:57Which God Created the World and The Nature of True Virtue.
- 28:00Those two were actually meant to be published as a single volume.
- 28:03And as we touched on, True Virtue was his deep dive into
- 28:06responding to those sentimental ethics ideas.
- 28:09OK, that's three. What was the 4th?
- 28:11His last major writing project, finished in May 1757, was The
- 28:15Great Christian Doctrine of Original Sin that was written
- 28:18specifically to counter the arguments of a contemporary
- 28:21theologian named Doctor John Taylor.
- 28:23It's pretty stunning that he could produce works of that
- 28:25depth and lasting impact while dealing with all the pressures
- 28:29of a frontier ministry and mission work.
- 28:31It shows he never stopped wrestling with those big
- 28:35theological and philosophical questions.
- 28:37Not at all. His drive to vindicate
- 28:39Christianity philosophically was still strong.
- 28:42Like the sources say, his goal remained giving that Puritan
- 28:45piety a respectable philosophical structure, showing
- 28:48it was rationally credible in the face of other intellectual
- 28:51trends. He really believed his biblical
- 28:54view was the true rendering of reality and could hold its own
- 28:57against any other system. But always, as the sources keep
- 29:01stressing, with philosophy serving theology.
- 29:03Always it was subordinated to divine revelation.
- 29:07He used the tools of philosophy, He engaged the questions, but
- 29:11his conclusions were ultimately drawn from and tested against
- 29:14moral theology, which again for him and the Bible he thought
- 29:17freely, but within that biblical framework.
- 29:20Now, besides his own major writings from this period,
- 29:23another huge impact came through someone who actually lived with
- 29:25his family for a time in Northampton, David Brainard.
- 29:28Yeah, the sources really emphasize how significant this
- 29:31connection was. Edwards first met David Brainard
- 29:34back in 1743 in New Haven. Brainard was this young,
- 29:38incredibly dedicated missionary working among the Native
- 29:40Americans. And the sources make a pretty
- 29:42bold claim about Edward's role in Brainerd's legacy.
- 29:45They really do. They say Brainerd's life and
- 29:48work would have passed into the annals of heaven but not earth
- 29:51if it weren't for Edwards. Meaning God would have known,
- 29:54but the world wouldn't have without Edwards involvement.
- 29:56That's saying a lot. Brainerd ended up staying with
- 29:59the Edwards family, didn't he towards the end of his life.
- 30:01Yes. In March 1747, Brainerd came to
- 30:04the Edwards home. He was very sick with
- 30:06tuberculosis by then. Edwards's daughter Jerusha, who
- 30:09was 17 at the time, took on a special role in caring for him,
- 30:13the sources mentioned. She had much the same spirit as
- 30:16Brainerd, and looked after him with great delight.
- 30:18That's a touching detail, but Brainerd died young.
- 30:22Very young, he passed away on October 9th, 1747.
- 30:25He was only 20. Nadine and sadly Jerusha, who
- 30:28had cared for him. She died not long after, in
- 30:30February 1740. 8 So Edwards then took Brainerd's journals and
- 30:34Diaries and published them. He did.
- 30:37Edwards deeply admired Brainerd, saw him as an eminent servant of
- 30:40Jesus Christ. He took on the huge task of
- 30:44editing Brainerd's extensive writings.
- 30:46The sources describe it as an act of devotion both to Brainerd
- 30:50personally and to the cause of missions.
- 30:53Edwards himself said it was something divine Providence
- 30:55unexpectedly laid in my way. The book came out in 1749.
- 30:59The Life of David Brainerd. Why did Edwards think it was so
- 31:02crucial to get Brainerd's story out there?
- 31:04He spelled it out in the preface.
- 31:06He argued that God shows people what true religion and virtue
- 31:09look like in 2 main ways. One way is through doctrine and
- 31:13precept the teachings and commands in the Bible.
- 31:15OK. And the other way.
- 31:16The other way is by instance, an example by showing a real human
- 31:20life lived out in faith and devotion.
- 31:23Brainerd's life was that example.
- 31:24Exactly. Edward saw Brainerd's life
- 31:27captured in his raw, honest journals as a powerful
- 31:30demonstration of genuine piety and sacrificial service.
- 31:34He believed a life like that served as a strong defense and
- 31:37confirmation of true Christianity.
- 31:39The sources mentioned Edwards pointing to Hebrews 13.7.
- 31:43Remember your leaders. Consider the outcome.
- 31:46Imitate their faith as biblical justification for publishing it.
- 31:49So it wasn't just a biography, it was meant as a model and
- 31:52inspiration for others. And the sources say this book
- 31:55had an incalculable impact, especially on missions.
- 31:58Incalculable is the word they use, they state.
- 31:59The book has basically never been out of print, and its
- 32:01influence on world missions over the last 2 1/2 centuries has
- 32:04been immense. It's spurred on generations of
- 32:07missionaries and leaders. Can you give some examples of
- 32:09who was influenced? Sure, the sources list quite a
- 32:12few. Gideon Holly, who is mentored by
- 32:14Edward and also became a missionary to Native Americans,
- 32:17supposedly carried Brainerd's life right alongside his Bible.
- 32:21John Wesley, even though he disagreed strongly with Edwards
- 32:24Calvinism, published his own shorter version because he saw
- 32:27Brainerd's spirit as so vital. Wesley said preachers with
- 32:31Brainerd spirit would be invincible.
- 32:33Even across theological divides. Yeah, William Carey, the pioneer
- 32:37of the modern mission movement, urged his team too often.
- 32:40Look at Brainerd. Andrew Fuller, another key
- 32:43Baptist missions leader, defended Edwards's positive
- 32:45influence on the whole missions enterprise.
- 32:48And the influence kept going into later times too.
- 32:50It did. The list includes names like
- 32:52Francis Asbury, Thomas Koch, Henry Martin, Robert Morrison,
- 32:56Samuel Mills, Frederick Schwartz, Robert McShane, David
- 32:59Livingstone, Andrew Murray. Even into the 20th century, Jim
- 33:03Elliott, the missionary martyred in 1956, wrote in his own
- 33:07journal about being convicted by Brainerd's diary regarding his
- 33:09own pride. The sources basically say the
- 33:12book fueled the missionary movement for 250 years.
- 33:15That's an incredible ripple effect from one young man's
- 33:18life, amplified by Edwards work during his own time of, well,
- 33:21relative obscurity in Stockbridge.
- 33:24And it's worth remembering, as the sources note, Edwards
- 33:27himself was serving as a missionary during those seven
- 33:30years. That's a great point.
- 33:31That Stockbridge time, however unexpected, was his own direct
- 33:35contribution to mission work before his very final role.
- 33:39Speaking of which, that brings us to the last chapter, the
- 33:42unexpected call to Princeton. Right in the fall of 1757,
- 33:45completely out of the blue, he gets offered the presidency of
- 33:48the College of New Jersey, what we now call Princeton
- 33:51University, The sources say he was not a little surprised.
- 33:55Understatement. Probably, And he wasn't eager to
- 33:58jump at it, was he? The sources mentioned he had
- 34:00serious doubts. Oh, big time.
- 34:01He wrote a detailed letter outlining all his reasons for
- 34:04hesitating. He worried about his own
- 34:06personality and constitution. He used phrases like unhappy
- 34:10constitution, childish weakness, disagreeable dullness to
- 34:14describe himself, feeling he just wasn't cut out for managing
- 34:17a college. Wow, that's incredibly self
- 34:19deprecating. It really is.
- 34:21He also felt he had gaps in his own learning, mentioned things
- 34:24like algebra, higher math, not knowing the Greek classics well
- 34:27beyond the New Testament. But maybe his biggest hesitation
- 34:30was just really wanting to keep writing.
- 34:33His heart, he said, was so much in these studies, his big
- 34:36theological projects, that he hated the thought of taking a
- 34:39job that would pull him away from them.
- 34:41He saw his main calling as that deep theological work, but he
- 34:45did end up taking the Princeton job.
- 34:47He did. He put the question to an
- 34:49Advisory Council of ministers and they decided it was his duty
- 34:53to accept. That was January 4th, 1758.
- 34:56The sources say when he finally agreed to their decision, he
- 34:58actually broke down in tears, which just shows how torn he
- 35:01was. Accepting out of duty a role he
- 35:04felt unsuited for and that took him from the work he loved most.
- 35:07Seems that way. He headed off to Princeton soon
- 35:10after, planning for the family to join him in the spring.
- 35:13And even in that short window, he was still working hard,
- 35:15finishing up that last big book, Original Sin.
- 35:18But his time at Princeton turned out to be tragically short.
- 35:21Incredibly short, he got there in February 1758.
- 35:25There was a smallpox outbreak and he decided to get
- 35:28inoculated, which was a common preventative measure then,
- 35:31though it carried risks. And it went wrong for him.
- 35:33Sadly, yes, the inoculation seems to have triggered a severe
- 35:37reaction. He developed complications,
- 35:39including pustules in his throat that made it hard for him to
- 35:41even drink. He died just over a month after
- 35:44arriving on March 27, 1758. What a sudden end after such a
- 35:49productive, though often difficult life.
- 35:52The sources share his last words and also his wife.
- 35:55Sarah's reaction would give us a real glimpse into their
- 35:58relationship and their faith. Yeah, it's quite moving.
- 36:01Knowing he was dying, he called for his daughter, Lucy.
- 36:03She was the only family member there with him, yet he gave her
- 36:06messages for Sarah. He spoke about their uncommon
- 36:09union, the deep bond they'd shared for so long, and said he
- 36:12trusted it was spiritual and would continue forever.
- 36:14He expressed his hope that God would support Sarah and that she
- 36:17would submit cheerfully to God's will.
- 36:20And a message for his children, too.
- 36:21Yes, knowing they'd be left fatherless, he said he hoped his
- 36:25death would push them to seek a father who will never fail you.
- 36:30And Sarah's response when she got the news?
- 36:33The sources quote her letter to their daughter, Esther.
- 36:37It's remarkable. It really shows your own deep
- 36:39faith. She was sick herself at the
- 36:40time, but she wrote things like a holy and good God has covered
- 36:44us with a dark cloud. Oh, that we may kiss the rod and
- 36:48lay our hands on our mouths. Total submission, even in grief.
- 36:51Is the raw. Yeah, and then she writes, The
- 36:54Lord has done it. He has made me adore his
- 36:56goodness that we had him so long.
- 36:58But my God lives and He has my heart.
- 37:01My God lives and He has my heart in the face of that loss.
- 37:05That's powerful, incredibly powerful.
- 37:07Shows the depth of her trust. She also wrote about the
- 37:09spiritual legacy. He left them saying we are all
- 37:12given to God and there I am and love to be.
- 37:15The sources add a little note about Sarah's own piety too,
- 37:18described by others. Yeah, they describe her as
- 37:20having this wonderful sweetness, calmness, universal benevolence,
- 37:24someone said. She was often full of joy, loved
- 37:27time alone, and seemed almost like she was talking with
- 37:29someone unseen. Importantly, her religion was
- 37:33described as having nothing gloomy about it.
- 37:35It was eminently the religion of joy.
- 37:38Which connects back to what Edward said about their uncommon
- 37:41union being spiritual. The sources suggest it was
- 37:44rooted in this shared great theology of joy.
- 37:47A beautiful picture of their shared faith.
- 37:50The sources also briefly mention the Edwards family legacy in
- 37:53broader terms, contrasting it statistically with another
- 37:56family line known for negative outcomes, just to highlight the
- 37:59positive long term influence stemming from their family.
- 38:02Right. OK, so we followed the whole arc
- 38:04of his life. Let's loop back to a theme.
- 38:06The sources keep highlighting this idea of pursuing spiritual
- 38:09sight and what Edwards saw as the real point of it all.
- 38:12Yeah, the sources constantly bring us Vivek here.
- 38:15For Edwards, all that intense intellectual work, the deep
- 38:18theology, it wasn't separate from his spiritual life.
- 38:20It was all integrated, all aimed at knowing God, experiencing
- 38:24God, glorifying God. He believed real knowledge of
- 38:27God had to lead to spiritual delight and a holy life.
- 38:30It wasn't just about knowing about God or winning arguments.
- 38:33Not at all. His passion for God's supremacy
- 38:36wasn't just intellectual agreement.
- 38:38It was meant to result in what the sources call a spiritual
- 38:41sight and enjoyment of God's glory.
- 38:43And they make a really key distinction here between just
- 38:46speculative knowledge and this spiritual sight.
- 38:50How do they explain that difference?
- 38:51Speculative knowledge versus spiritual sight.
- 38:54Speculative knowledge as they describe it, is basically
- 38:57rational. It's convincing yourself that
- 38:59certain theological truths are correct, maybe through logic or
- 39:02argument that God has certain attributes.
- 39:05The sources use a pretty stark comparison.
- 39:07They say even the devil's have that kind of knowledge.
- 39:09They know God is holy, powerful, etcetera.
- 39:11But doesn't change them, doesn't lead to delight.
- 39:13It's just mental ascent. Knowing about God, but not
- 39:17really knowing God in a relational transformative way.
- 39:20Exactly. Spiritual sight, though, is
- 39:23described as something more direct, more immediate,
- 39:26sensible. It's not just agreeing God is
- 39:29glorious, it's having a real sense of the Excellency and
- 39:33beauty of God. The sources use the language of
- 39:36spiritual taste, a genuine delight in God himself.
- 39:40For Edwards, saving faith wasn't just believing God is holy
- 39:43because the Bible says so. It was actually sensing His
- 39:46Holiness, tasting His mercy, and loving those qualities for their
- 39:50own sake. That seems like a really crucial
- 39:53distinction for understanding his view of conversion and
- 39:56Christian experience. But if that spiritual site is
- 39:59the key thing, what's the purpose of all the hardcore
- 40:01rational study he did? Does it make study pointless?
- 40:04No, the sources say Edwards argued strongly against that.
- 40:08He believed rational knowledge plays a vital role.
- 40:11He's quoted saying something like the more you have of a
- 40:13rational knowledge of divine things, the more opportunity
- 40:16will there be when the Spirit shall be breathed into your
- 40:18heart to see the Excellency of these things and to taste the
- 40:21sweetness of them. OK, so the study prepares the
- 40:24mind, clears the ground, so to speak.
- 40:26Exactly. It lays out the truths, the
- 40:28structure of reality as revealed by God.
- 40:31Then when the Holy Spirit gives that illumination, that
- 40:34spiritual sight, there's more content there to be seen,
- 40:38understood, savored and delighted in.
- 40:40The rational knowledge provides the framework for the spiritual
- 40:43experience. They work together.
- 40:45And it wasn't just about receiving knowledge passively,
- 40:48it was about actively cultivating the hearts response
- 40:50too. The sources mentioned his
- 40:52resolutions aimed at stirring up passion for God.
- 40:55Yeah, his resolutions show he was just as intentional about
- 40:58cultivating passion as he was about gaining knowledge.
- 41:00Resolution 64 talks about not getting tired of earnestly
- 41:04endeavoring to vent my desires toward God, even if it meant
- 41:07repeating himself. It points to actively pursuing
- 41:10and expressing that spiritual longing using biblical words
- 41:13like groanings or breathings of soul.
- 41:15And Resolution 30 to strive every week to be brought higher
- 41:19in religion and to a higher exercise of grace.
- 41:22Right. Not just waiting for feelings to
- 41:24happen, but actively striving for growth, for intensity, for
- 41:28exercising grace. And the ultimate point of all
- 41:31this knowledge, all this passion, wasn't to win debates
- 41:34or get applause. It was for practice, for living
- 41:37it out. Yes, Edwards's goal for himself
- 41:40and others was always the benefit of your souls and in
- 41:43order to practice, he even argue that practice helps you know
- 41:46more, pointing to Psalm 119.110 where the psalmist understands
- 41:51more than the elders because he keeps God's precepts.
- 41:54For Edwards, the real payoff of all theology, all study, all
- 41:58spiritual effort was a heart for God and a life of holiness
- 42:02which. Brings us right back to what the
- 42:03sources present as the ultimate goal driving everything for
- 42:06Edwards, God's glory. That's the summit.
- 42:09The sources pull out this core insight from Edwards.
- 42:12God is glorified most not merely by being known, nor by merely
- 42:15being dutifully obeyed, but by being enjoyed in the knowing and
- 42:19the obeying. So God's glory shines brightest
- 42:21when we find our deepest happiness and satisfaction in
- 42:23Him. That's the heart of it.
- 42:25Edwards believed God made the world an axe in history to
- 42:28display His own glory. And we're made to receive that
- 42:31glory not just by agreeing with it in our minds approbation, but
- 42:34by delighting in it with our hearts.
- 42:37The sources say His ultimate challenge to people was to seek
- 42:40to glorify God by being satisfied in Him above all
- 42:43things. Like that line from Psalm 63,
- 42:46your steadfast love is better than.
- 42:48Life exactly, and the sources use some really vivid images
- 42:51from Edwards to capture this. Finding our satisfaction in God,
- 42:55this God exalting joy, is what frees us for real sacrificial
- 42:59service. Enjoying God forever in heaven,
- 43:01Edwards argued, is infinitely better than the most pleasant
- 43:04accommodations here. All the good things on earth,
- 43:06family, friends, pleasures. They're like shadows, but God is
- 43:09the substance. They're like scattered beams,
- 43:11but God is the sun. They're like streams, but God is
- 43:13the ocean. That imagery really drives it
- 43:16home. Shadows and substance, beams and
- 43:19Suns, streams and ocean. A totally God centered view of
- 43:23reality and happiness. OK, now as we talk about
- 43:27Edwards, the sources make it clear we also have to confront a
- 43:30difficult historical reality, his connection to slavery.
- 43:35Yes, the sources address this directly.
- 43:37They state plainly that Jonathan Edwards owned slaves.
- 43:40They even cite specific records. A receipt for purchasing a young
- 43:44woman named Venus in 1731, when she was just 14, and the
- 43:49inventory of his possessions after he died, lists a Negro boy
- 43:52named Titus. And the author of the sources
- 43:55mentions their own reaction to learning this, being quite
- 43:57surprised, especially because Edwards writings had seemed so
- 44:00counter to things like class snobbery.
- 44:01Right, that personal note kind of highlights the difficulty
- 44:04many people feel. The sources try to place this in
- 44:07its historical context, 18th century colonial America, where
- 44:10slavery was legal and widespread.
- 44:12They bring in George Marsden's idea about the hierarchical
- 44:15assumptions common back then, which made their world very
- 44:17different from ours in the 21st century.
- 44:19And clergy, you weren't necessarily exempt from these
- 44:21assumptions or practices. No.
- 44:24The sources point out that ministers were often part of the
- 44:26upper social strata and might have just accepted the
- 44:29prevailing norms of a well to do lifestyle, which at that time
- 44:33and place could include owning slaves, perhaps without thinking
- 44:37too critically about it. The sources also spend some time
- 44:39looking at how the New Testament itself talks about master slave
- 44:43relationships in its own context.
- 44:45They do. They know that the New
- 44:47Testament, especially Paul's letters, doesn't issue a direct
- 44:50command like abolish slavery. Now, in those specific words,
- 44:54however, the argument they present is that when Christian
- 44:56masters and Christian slaves actually follow the teachings of
- 44:59the New Testament, it was supposed to radically transform
- 45:03the internal dynamics of that relationship for believers.
- 45:06How so? How would it transform it
- 45:08according to the? They suggest that living out New
- 45:11Testament principles change the relationship from just owner and
- 45:14property into something fundamentally different,
- 45:17something they argue may be no longer recognizable as slavery
- 45:21in the traditional sense. The Christian master wasn't just
- 45:24an owner anymore. He was owned by Christ right
- 45:26alongside the slave, and the Christian slave wasn't just
- 45:30property. She or he was a fellow heir of
- 45:33God's promises together with the Master.
- 45:36So the outward social form might have looked the same, but the
- 45:39inner reality, the spiritual status and the ethical demands
- 45:42were meant to be completely different within the Christian
- 45:44community. That's the argument presented,
- 45:46the sources say. The social shell seems to remain
- 45:49because Paul still addresses people as masters or slaves, but
- 45:52they list a whole bunch of New Testament principles that were
- 45:55meant to undermine the essence of slavery.
- 45:57Condemning man's stealing, which was often how people ended up
- 46:00enslaved. Affirming everyone's maiden call
- 46:03image, implying dignity, the golden rule, loving your
- 46:06neighbor, The idea that love does no harm.
- 46:08The radical unity in Christ where there's neither slave nor
- 46:11free, all one body. Believers being Co heirs, sons
- 46:14of God, slaves having an inheritance in Christ, the new
- 46:18self transcending social lines, Christ being in all, the slave
- 46:21being the Lord's Friedman and the free person being Christ's
- 46:24slave being bought with a price by Christ.
- 46:26Don't become slaves of men. Slaves told to obey masters as
- 46:30if serving Christ, but masters told to stop threatening and
- 46:33treat slaves justly and fairly because they have a master in
- 46:36heaven who isn't partial. Plus that example of Paul
- 46:39telling Philemon to take back his runaway slave and SMS no
- 46:42longer as a slave but as a beloved brother.
- 46:44Those principles definitely seem to lay a foundation for
- 46:47challenging the whole system, even if outright abolition
- 46:50wasn't the immediate command. OK, now back to Edward.
- 46:55Specifically, what hard evidence to the sources offer about his
- 46:59views or how he treated Venus or Titus.
- 47:02This is where the sources say the evidence is really limited.
- 47:05They state there's almost no direct evidence about his
- 47:08personal attitude or daily treatment of the people he
- 47:10enslaved. They mentioned he did prepare
- 47:13some notes defending another minister who is criticized for
- 47:16owning slaves, but they describe those notes as very difficult to
- 47:19follow, making it hard to grasp his exact line of reasoning
- 47:23there. So not much concrete detail on
- 47:25his personal practice. Not directly, no.
- 47:28However, the sources do pull out a few bits of evidence that
- 47:31might suggest a potentially better practice or views that
- 47:34were maybe less harsh than the worst aspects of slavery common
- 47:37then. Like what?
- 47:38What evidence do they point to? Well they note that he did admit
- 47:41black individuals into full membership in his church.
- 47:44They also highlight a comment he made in his notes on the book of
- 47:47Job where he wrote about masters and servants saying both have
- 47:51one maker and that their maker made them alike with the same
- 47:54nature. Edwards argued this gave the
- 47:57most forcible reasons against the masters abuse of his servant
- 48:01and significantly, the sources state he did condemn the African
- 48:05slave trade itself. Condemning the trade, arguing
- 48:08against abuse based on share humanity under God.
- 48:11Those are noteworthy points, and the sources also suggest his
- 48:14thinking his theology had an influence on later
- 48:17abolitionists. Yes they make that argument.
- 48:19They say you can find seeds of anti slavery ideology within the
- 48:24logic of Edwards ethics and epistemology basically and the
- 48:27way he thought about morality and knowledge.
- 48:29And these seeds, they argue, influenced his son Jonathan
- 48:32Edwards junior and also Samuel Hopkins, both of whom became
- 48:35important figures in the fight against slavery later on.
- 48:38Interesting. So even if Edwards himself
- 48:40didn't fully arrive at an abolitionist stance, his
- 48:43theological framework contained elements that others later used
- 48:46to build that case. That's how the sources frame it,
- 48:49and the author is very upfront about the limits of what we
- 48:51know, admitting there are significant gaps in
- 48:53understanding Edwards motives. Like why did he buy Venus or
- 48:56Titus? Could it have been in some sense
- 48:59a rescue from a worse situation? We don't know.
- 49:02Or how were they treated day-to-day?
- 49:04And the author even admits to a bit of wishful thinking on this.
- 49:07Yeah, the author expresses a hope that maybe Edwards's
- 49:10actions were driven by some kind of benevolence, while
- 49:13immediately acknowledging there's no proof for that and
- 49:16admitting it might seem unlikely given the general attitudes back
- 49:19then. So the overall take from the
- 49:21sources is this is a really difficult aspect of Edward's
- 49:24life. It creates A tension with his
- 49:26deeply God centered theology. That's the conclusion.
- 49:30The sources talk about this tension between the historical
- 49:33fact of his slaveholding and his theology, which in so many other
- 49:36ways pushed towards humility. The author wraps up the section
- 49:40with a personal reflection, saying that despite this very
- 49:43hard issue, their own 50 years of reading Edwards has been
- 49:46incredibly beneficial spiritually.
- 49:48More heart humbling, more Christ exalting, more God revering, and
- 49:52so on than any other author outside the Bible.
- 49:56That personal statement really captures the struggle, doesn't
- 49:58it? How to deal with historical
- 50:00figures who have both immense strengths and contributions, but
- 50:04also significant flaws or blind spots, especially judged by
- 50:08later standards, living in context so different from ours?
- 50:11Yeah, it requires, well, trying to understand the context
- 50:14without making excuses for things that clearly clash with
- 50:17the biblical principles, and still trying to learn from the
- 50:20good, the lasting insights, and their thought and faith.
- 50:22We have definitely covered a huge amount of ground in this
- 50:25deep dive on John Jonathan Edwards following the trail laid
- 50:28out in these sources. We looked at his background,
- 50:31that incredibly disciplined inner life, his intellectual
- 50:34world from the Bible being absolutely central to his
- 50:37engagement with philosophers like Locke.
- 50:40We trace his ministry in Northampton, the revival highs
- 50:43and the painful dismissal lows, then his surprisingly productive
- 50:46time in Stockbridge writing those major books and launching
- 50:49David Brainerd story into the world, his final brief called
- 50:53Princeton, and the moving accounts of his death and
- 50:55Sarah's response. And yes, we spent time grappling
- 50:59with the difficult reality of of his involvement with slavery,
- 51:02looking at the sources say, about the context, the biblical
- 51:05principles, the limited evidence about Edwards himself and the
- 51:08tension it creates. Hopefully this gives you a more
- 51:11rounded picture of Edwards, a figure who managed to combine
- 51:14really intense intellectual activity with a deeply felt
- 51:17spiritual life. His legacy, you know, it still
- 51:19matters in theology and missions today, but his life also
- 51:22presents these tough questions for us looking back from where
- 51:25we stand now. Edwards believed that really
- 51:28knowing God had to spill over into delighting in God and
- 51:30living a holy life. So maybe the final thought for
- 51:33you to wrestle with is this. What does engaging with a figure
- 51:38like Edwards, someone with undeniable gifts and lasting
- 51:41impact, but also these historical contradictions,
- 51:45especially on something as serious as slavery?
- 51:48What does that teach us about how we connect our own beliefs
- 51:51with how we actually live? How do we hold the good and the
- 51:54bad together when we look at figures from the past?
- 51:57And how does that challenge us to make sure our practice aligns
- 52:00with the principles we claim to believe, especially when facing
- 52:03the complex issues of our own time?
- 52:05That's definitely a question that stays with you as you try
- 52:07to live faithfully today. That's our Dee dive for this
- 52:10session. We really hope it's been a
- 52:12valuable exloration for you.