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I Am All In…Again: A Real Housewife Meets Stars Hollow (Season 4 E12 “A Family Matter” ) · I Am All In with Scott Patterson

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  Speaker 1: I am all in Again. Oh that's you.
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  Speaker 2: I Am all in Again with Scott Patterson and iHeartRadio Podcast.
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  Speaker 1: Hey everybody, Scott Patterson, I Am all in Podcast, one
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  Speaker 1: of eleven productions iHeart Radio Media. iHeart Podcast. We have
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  Speaker 1: a Family Matter. Season four, Episode twelve special guest Amanda
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  Speaker 1: Francis is joining us. She's an entrepreneur best known as
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  Speaker 1: the Money Queen. She's an author book rich as f
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  Speaker 1: blank blank k. I can't say it Bravo fans, nor
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  Speaker 1: as a recent cast member of the Real Housewives of
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  Speaker 1: Beverly Hills. But she is also a super fan of
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  Speaker 1: Gilmore Girls. Welcome to the show, Amanda.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you so much for having me so so much.
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  Speaker 1: All right, so begin Gilmore Girls fan. It's that's a
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  Speaker 1: really fun fact about you that that Bravo fans probably
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  Speaker 1: didn't know. But did you watch it while it was
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  Speaker 1: on the air or yeah, streaming?
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  Speaker 2: No, you have no idea. I've been I'm forty. I've
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  Speaker 2: been watching since I was twenty. I've been watching the
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  Speaker 2: show for twenty years. So I discovered it not while
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  Speaker 2: it was live, well, it was still on the air,
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  Speaker 2: but I was watching it on ABC Family. I know
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  Speaker 2: that kind of dates me. But way before Netflix, I
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  Speaker 2: think season six was out, and I was making my
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  Speaker 2: way through season one, two, three on ABC Family, and
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  Speaker 2: then I started buying the DVD like sets. I would
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  Speaker 2: buy four, season five, I owned all of them, and
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  Speaker 2: then yeah, and then I watched its season seven in
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  Speaker 2: real time. Then obviously it was canceled, and then I
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  Speaker 2: just haven't stopped watching it. I go through Gilmore Girls
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  Speaker 2: over and it takes me about a year and a half.
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  Speaker 2: I don't watch television every day. I have four children,
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  Speaker 2: and like you said, I'm an entrepreneur, but I watch
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  Speaker 2: it over and over and over, and it is my show.
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  Speaker 2: It's my show.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, it's quite something. We'll get into that a
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  Speaker 1: little bit, but let me let's do the synopsis here.
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  Speaker 1: Lane is still living with Rory as she figures out
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  Speaker 1: where to live. Paris makes a decision between James, Jamie
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  Speaker 1: and Asher Ew and Laurel I almost tells her family
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  Speaker 1: about Jason. The Danes family makes a visit which includes
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  Speaker 1: Liz and the return of Jess, and it throws Luke
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  Speaker 1: completely off. Director Kenny Ortego, writer Daniel Palladino Yale happenings.
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  Speaker 1: Lane is still at Yale, Amanda getting coffee, doing Tana's hair,
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  Speaker 1: fixing beds, and cleaning. Paris continues to brush off Jamie,
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  Speaker 1: poor guy, even though he's in town for his birthday out.
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  Speaker 1: He even approaches Rory about it in the dining hall.
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  Speaker 1: Needs to have a little heart to heart, so Rory
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  Speaker 1: confronts Paris about Jamie and Asher. Then Paris calls Jamie
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  Speaker 1: right away and dumps him over the phone, coldly, as
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  Speaker 1: one would expect from Paris. Paris reveals Asher might ask
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  Speaker 1: her to go to Oxford over the summer and apologizes
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  Speaker 1: to Rory about the whole Asher Jamie fiasco. But she
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  Speaker 1: didn't really mean it, did she? All right, Amanda, this
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  Speaker 1: is an awful position to put Rory in. Uh, how
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  Speaker 1: do you think she handled it?
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  Speaker 2: Paris?
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  Speaker 3: How?
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  Speaker 1: Now? Did how did Rory handle that?
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  Speaker 3: Rory?
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  Speaker 1: Well?
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  Speaker 2: Okay, So you know, I have so much to say
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  Speaker 2: here for about all of this. I watched the episode
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  Speaker 2: twice ps to repair. I watched it two nights in
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  Speaker 2: a row, so it was super fresh in my mind,
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  Speaker 2: even though I've already seen it a one million times.
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  Speaker 2: I think Rory is Rory. Rory's like a little avoidant
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  Speaker 2: of it. Rory's like, I can't handle this, this is gross.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not available for your drama around this, which, honestly,
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  Speaker 2: do we blame her? I mean Paris is We know
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  Speaker 2: Paris is like what we word we would use today
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  Speaker 2: we maybe didn't use it. Then. Paris is like neurodiversion.
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  Speaker 2: Paris is not normal. Paris doesn't do well in social situation.
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  Speaker 2: She doesn't know how to navigate these things, and she
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  Speaker 2: knows that she doesn't know it, but she doesn't know
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  Speaker 2: what to do about it. Right, Rory's gonna focus on herself,
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  Speaker 2: her grades, her own drama. That's to Rory as we
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  Speaker 2: know that too. And Lane, Lane like deserves more like
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  Speaker 2: watching Lane thrive later working at Luke Steiner, watching her thrive,
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  Speaker 2: running all the errands for all the girls, watching Lane
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  Speaker 2: like really be very smart and capable always we wish
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  Speaker 2: she had a better destiny, right Like, Yeah, but anyway, Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: Lane's doing doing Lane, Lane's being a good loyal human.
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  Speaker 1: Mm hmm. Was it fair to push Paris to talk
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  Speaker 1: to Jamie and make a decision about her affair?
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  Speaker 2: Do you think, uh, yeah, well, what was Roy supposed
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  Speaker 2: to do? Jamie's confronting her on his birthday in the
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  Speaker 2: dining hall, and you know, and Rory knows about the
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  Speaker 2: affair with Asher, Jamie doesn't know what would Paris would
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  Speaker 2: have dated them both forever. Paris says something like, well,
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  Speaker 2: Jamie can't take a hint, but like you also can't
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  Speaker 2: tell him that you're sleeping with a sixty year old man.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, and she never even told him. Really, I
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  Speaker 2: don't know. Ory was in an awkward position, but then
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  Speaker 2: she like put herselves of it and just went back
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  Speaker 2: to stars Hollow. You know, is.
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  Speaker 1: Paris a total narcissist.
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  Speaker 2: I wouldn't say narcissist. I would say nerdivigin.
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  Speaker 1: I would say, you would say you're a virgin.
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  Speaker 2: I would say you're super smart, unaware of social situations
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  Speaker 2: and navigating life based on her unique brain. I wouldn't
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  Speaker 2: say narcissist.
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  Speaker 1: Would you say avoid Would you say avoidant in some way,
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  Speaker 1: whether dismissive or fearful?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, avoidant to think she doesn't know how to navigate
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  Speaker 2: for sure, I would say, yeah, right.
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  Speaker 1: But she's basically looking for a daddy figure maybe.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, we know her nanny raised her. She's looking
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  Speaker 2: for a figure. Is she afresh? I mean freshman girls
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  Speaker 2: in college. Man, we were navig we were now you're
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  Speaker 2: navigating a lot in that phase and a professor is
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  Speaker 2: interested in you, and you like Para, Paris loves power,
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  Speaker 2: Paris loves.
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  Speaker 1: And And do you think there's some control issues there too?
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  Speaker 2: Who from Paris? Yeah, like trying to control who?
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  Speaker 1: Like Jamie's too easy, right, she needs a new challenge.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Jamie was easy, dude. I was thinking about last
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  Speaker 2: night though. When I was watching it, I was thinking about, like,
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  Speaker 2: I don't I guess, like the season before, so when
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  Speaker 2: Paris was talking about going home with Jamie for Christmas
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  Speaker 2: and the meal and the presence and the Christmas tree
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  Speaker 2: and the vibes and the coziness and the warmth and
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  Speaker 2: the family, and it like meant so much to her,
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  Speaker 2: she like slept with them, and then you know, here
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  Speaker 2: we are a year later, and it's like, who's Jamie?
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  Speaker 2: I don't know?
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  Speaker 3: Right?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah? I mean, but also to give her a little credit,
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  Speaker 2: like in life, aren't relationships that way. Sometimes we get
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  Speaker 2: what we're meant to get from the relationship, We learn
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  Speaker 2: the lessons we're meant to learn there, and then we
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  Speaker 2: move along.
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  Speaker 1: Sometimes I think if you're used to being in chaos
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  Speaker 1: and creating chaos. You're going to seek that out. Your
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  Speaker 1: brain will seek your brain will demand that. They will
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  Speaker 1: demand this as true. The most dopamine hits they can
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  Speaker 1: get with a new relationship, a new supply and the
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  Speaker 1: old one is boring because it's working so well.
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  Speaker 2: That can happen. I mean, that can't happen if that's
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  Speaker 2: what your nervous system is, If that's what's one of
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  Speaker 2: my life.
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  Speaker 3: For sure?
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  Speaker 1: Thank you? All right, Well, I guess the jury is
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  Speaker 1: still out on Paris's diagnosis, but we'll figure it out.
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  Speaker 1: We're going to figure it out eventually.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know, do you know, I have
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  Speaker 2: a master's and counseling. I have a backgun in therapy.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know that I would give her a narcissist.
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  Speaker 2: I really don't. Okay, not normal, not in that's fair?
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  Speaker 1: Right, yeah, right, that's fair. Jason and Stars Haul Oh wow,
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  Speaker 1: we get a lot of Jason. We're getting a lot
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  Speaker 1: of Jason, and you know what it's entertaining, it actually is. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: he's taking the morning off to spend time with Laurel
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  Speaker 1: I in Stars Hollow, but as he is arriving, he
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  Speaker 1: tailgates Luke and honks at him. He's not aware that
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  Speaker 1: it's Luke. He's not he doesn't know who Luke is
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  Speaker 1: or what Luke is. He's just being He's just being
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  Speaker 1: a douchey cyah. He's just Jason, the douche city guy
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  Speaker 1: in his fancy car, get out of my way kind
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  Speaker 1: of dude. And then he finds himself in a situation
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  Speaker 1: where Laurel I wants to get coffee at Luke's and
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  Speaker 1: Jason sees Luke and says, oh, oh, I don't think
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  Speaker 1: that's going to work out too.
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  Speaker 2: Well, calling at Luke Duke, which is funny. There's a
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  Speaker 2: whole thing.
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  Speaker 1: Look, just if you're a gal if you're a gal
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  Speaker 1: Amanda and you're in this situation and you're a Laurele
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  Speaker 1: and you're with Jason, and he cowers in this way
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  Speaker 1: like he just changes his mind, he doesn't want to
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  Speaker 1: go in with you. What are you thinking?
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  Speaker 2: Oh, that's a really good point. I was thinking about
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  Speaker 2: how he wouldn't get off the damn phone and he
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  Speaker 2: kept taking business calls from all over the globe all
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  Speaker 2: morning long, which we know he's a workaholic, and maybe
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  Speaker 2: we don't hate that about him, because she also likes
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  Speaker 2: that he's successful. But you're right, couldn't he have man up?
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  Speaker 2: Man up? Walk it baked Luke's hand, ordered a coffee
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  Speaker 2: and said, Yo, bro, I'm sorry I talk you? Did you?
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  Speaker 2: That would have been the masculine move?
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  Speaker 1: Yes, all right, right, all right. So Jason continues to
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  Speaker 1: work and be on the phone. Laureli tries to get
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  Speaker 1: him off the phone, even went the call with Emily,
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  Speaker 1: which I found odd because she was being loud off
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  Speaker 1: the phone and Emily didn't pick up that it was
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  Speaker 1: her daughter and he was being loud off the phone,
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  Speaker 1: and she didn't pick up that it was Jason when
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  Speaker 1: clearly she could have heard it.
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  Speaker 2: Well, we have to keep building tension around the whole.
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  Speaker 2: Emily doesn't know a thing, you know.
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  Speaker 1: Right, but I wasn't buying that, And then Emily calls
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  Speaker 1: Lord askedbouth. Charity eventually agrees to go. All right.
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  Speaker 2: Jason hates when you were sitting around like the table
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  Speaker 2: to read the script each week, were you like sometimes
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  Speaker 2: like Amy, I don't buy this, or were you oh no.
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  Speaker 1: No, no no, no, you would be You would be
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  Speaker 1: taken downstairs and executed if you did that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, oh got it.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, so you know you did not you had to
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  Speaker 1: bend the knee. Yeah, there, there you go. Yeah you
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  Speaker 1: didn't do that. So because everything made sense, really, there
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  Speaker 1: was really never really any reason to do it. You know,
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  Speaker 1: I mean a couple of times on the episodes, maybe
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  Speaker 1: you know, there were talks.
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  Speaker 2: Like, yeah, does this make sense here or whatever.
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  Speaker 1: Like logic things like does this really ring true with
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  Speaker 1: my character? But you know they're they're always approached with
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  Speaker 1: respect and you know they're received with respect and all that.
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  Speaker 1: All right, So Jason hates that they all both almost
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  Speaker 1: got caught by Emily on that phone call. So Loralai
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  Speaker 1: agrees to tell Emily at the dinner neck Friday night again,
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  Speaker 1: why is he forcing her to do it again? Man up,
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  Speaker 1: you tell them it's your business partner, it's it's it's
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  Speaker 1: you're the one that's taking the risk by doing this.
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  Speaker 1: So just go have a talk with Emily and Richard.
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  Speaker 2: Like I was saying that too, I was thinking to
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  Speaker 2: Richard he offered, he said, I'll talk to Richard, and
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  Speaker 2: she said, no, this is my thing. But I if
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  Speaker 2: I was in Laureli's shoes, I probably would let him
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  Speaker 2: do it. Like he might have better report with Richard
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  Speaker 2: than she does, honestly.
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  Speaker 1: But that would that would deprive Laurel I of the
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  Speaker 1: satisfaction of driving the knife in a little bit with Emily,
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  Speaker 1: because how satisfying is that for her to create a
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  Speaker 1: little chaos there inside of Emily? Right?
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  Speaker 2: Well did she? She didn't even get to create chaos
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  Speaker 2: and said to Emily because Emily didn't find out until
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  Speaker 2: Emily found out and then they broke up, so it didn't.
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  Speaker 1: Really, Yeah, but she wanted to tell her, and she
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  Speaker 1: wanted the opportunity to tell her. That's why she waved
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  Speaker 1: him off.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. I think she continually withholds information from her family,
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  Speaker 2: just truly because she doesn't want them to spoil it,
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  Speaker 2: doesn't want them to be alive.
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  Speaker 1: Of course, is it that?
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  Speaker 2: And is it the only way she can continue to
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  Speaker 2: try to seek out freedom and control and have that
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  Speaker 2: rebellious teenager inside.
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  Speaker 1: Of her all of the above, all of the above? Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it just checks all her boxes, yes, yeah, yeah, yea yeah,
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  Speaker 1: withholding and also if she has information that she can
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  Speaker 1: use to make them a little nuts, and I think
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  Speaker 1: that was the case with the Jason reveal, got it, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: that's why she wanted to do it. Yeah, she wanted
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  Speaker 1: to see the look on their faces.
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  Speaker 2: I know. But it continues to activate everyone's wounds because
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  Speaker 2: Emily goes, right, I just wanted to love you, take
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  Speaker 2: care of you, just wanted to be your daughter, and
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  Speaker 2: where I goes, but you controlled me. I just wanted
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  Speaker 2: freedom in a way to make my own path. And
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  Speaker 2: they over and over and over and over.
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  Speaker 1: Mm hmmmm hmmm. Right, No, she's she's in she's in
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  Speaker 1: a feedback loop and she's not getting out of it.
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  Speaker 1: You know, she thinks she is, but she's in it,
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  Speaker 1: and she perpetuates it. Yeah, for sure. All right. So
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  Speaker 1: Friday night dinner happens, Jason comes up in the conversation,
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  Speaker 1: Laurel is defending him. Emily suggests they would be perfect
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  Speaker 1: for each other as a joke, and then she one
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  Speaker 1: of the great things, She just cracks up at the
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  Speaker 1: thought of it.
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  Speaker 2: It was actually really funny watching that hysterical laugh drink
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  Speaker 2: because it's not quite her character. So that was really.
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  Speaker 1: It's just so ludicrous.
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  Speaker 2: Laurelizes, like, what's so ludicrous about it?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, And then the scene of them, Laura
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  Speaker 1: and Roy coming out coming out of the house and
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  Speaker 1: Laurela is just like completely numb. Roy just takes the keys.
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  Speaker 1: I'll drive, which isn't.
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  Speaker 2: That's not the first time we've seen that. We see
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  Speaker 2: that when you're a character visits Emily's house for the
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  Speaker 2: first time. Several times we see people leave that house gilt,
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  Speaker 2: being like, what just happened to me?
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  Speaker 1: What was right? That's that's the joke. You gotta do that, right,
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  Speaker 1: you gotta do that.
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  Speaker 2: Kind of similar to Housewives of Beverly Hill's dinner table.
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  Speaker 2: If I'm gonna tell you the truth, you often leave
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  Speaker 2: like what was that? Was like gas lit and insulted.
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  Speaker 2: That's a different conversation.
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  Speaker 1: Uh huh, Now we'll get to that. We're going to
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  Speaker 1: get to that. So she lets Jason know that it
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  Speaker 1: didn't happen. She couldn't, she couldn't get us. So Jason
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  Speaker 1: clearly does not fit into Laurel's stars hollow life. Do
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  Speaker 1: you think Amanda that part of her knows that that's
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  Speaker 1: why she didn't try hard to tell Emily about the
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  Speaker 1: two of them.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know if it's that. I think she's trying
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  Speaker 2: to be in the moment, not let them ruin it,
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  Speaker 2: have it to herself. You know, I didn't mind the
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  Speaker 2: relationship between Laurel I and Jason. I mean, no one
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  Speaker 2: thought it was who she was going to end up with.
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  Speaker 2: But it wasn't a bad bit. It was entertaining, It
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  Speaker 2: was interesting. Jason's a character. And also we're leading up
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  Speaker 2: to Luke, right, which we've been waiting for for four seasons,
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  Speaker 2: and we're getting really close now, so it's kind of like,
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  Speaker 2: I don't know, the like Jason thing is almost like
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  Speaker 2: an entertaining placeholder as we watched the Luke and Laurli
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  Speaker 2: tensions start to build, you.
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  Speaker 1: Know, right, he is just so oblivious to how his
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  Speaker 1: He's just so himself. So it's kind of enjoyable to
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  Speaker 1: watch him.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, he's not apologizing for himself. He just didn't herself.
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  Speaker 2: He's but he has kills products in the bathroom, Like
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  Speaker 2: I mean, Laura light finds it interesting enough, She with
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  Speaker 2: it for a while. She enjoys him. But I don't
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  Speaker 2: think any of youer ever thought like, oh, this is love,
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  Speaker 2: you know.
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  Speaker 1: Let me ask you right, let me ask you this.
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  Speaker 1: In the prior episode, he asked Laura I to sleep
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  Speaker 1: in the other room. Yeah, because he has these issues,
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  Speaker 1: did that kind of honesty appeal to you because did
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  Speaker 1: it win you over? Like you know what? That's not
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  Speaker 1: so I would.
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  Speaker 2: Have thought it was so fucking weird because he had
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  Speaker 2: a high thread count betting, because he had the bubble bath,
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  Speaker 2: because he had the high end products, because he set
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  Speaker 2: her up with the TV show. I was like, probably
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  Speaker 2: just like her character. I'm like, okay, like you're freaking
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  Speaker 2: me out, but it's just appealing enough to go with
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  Speaker 2: it and see, I mean, that's not what you want
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  Speaker 2: a man to do. But like as the viewers repulsed,
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  Speaker 2: her characters were pulsed, and then we're all kind of like, wait,
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  Speaker 2: maybe right.
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  Speaker 1: It's a very fine line that the writing walk very finely.
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  Speaker 1: But I think they pulled it off.
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  Speaker 2: I think that's the genius. Except those I mean, I'm
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  Speaker 2: one of those people that hate set season seven and
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  Speaker 2: says it doesn't count. I'm sure there's a lot of us,
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  Speaker 2: but those first seasons like walk those lines beautifully in
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  Speaker 2: character development of like what we think about people as development.
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: I agree, I agree, all right, jessin Liz are in town. Wow,
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: big episode, big episode, big shiny fat episode. Liz shows
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: up to the diner, surprises Luke, that's pretty much all
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: we get of Liz. But she tells him she's doing
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: good and she's going to the twentieth high school reunion.
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: But he's reluctant to talk to her because it's been
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: three years and he's holding her accountable for Jess.
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he doesn't buy anything, She's.
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: Saying, Right, what's going on here? She's going to hit
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: me up for more money?
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: She's yeah, does she need many about this new guy?
• 17:31
  Speaker 3: All right?
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: Luke feels bad for Jess moving out and says he
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: even stole his car and put it in his dad's
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: old garage. Luke's goat goes to check Onesic's car, sees
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: the garage. It's broken into cars, missing, calls the cops,
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: files a report. Next day, the cop comes, tells me
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: they found the car, the owner in it, and it's Jesse.
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: He arrives with the cop and a leather jacket and
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: a black cap and an attitude and a sneer and
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: all of that stuff, along with all the buckles. Luke
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: and Jess fight. Jess wants Luke to pay for the repairs. Boy,
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: the arrogance of this kid, he's so out of touch.
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: Luke expects an apology, but Jess doesn't give it to him.
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: Jess reveals he's been traveling. Luke tells Jess did not
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: go near her, meaning Rory. Rory and Lareli are on
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: a walk with their hot chocolate. They see Jess sleeping
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: in the car. She wonders what he's doing back in town.
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: They do not wake him up. Luke events about his
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: family to Laura l I, saying it's all alive. Families
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: are just messes. He's tired of helping people who can't
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: help themselves. Luke walks outside, and boy, do I know
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: how he feels. Luke walks outside and tells Jess he's
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: spending the night at Nicole's, just to show that side
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: of Luke that he still cares, like, I don't want
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: you to He's out here. The key is you know
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: where it is well.
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: And also we watch Luke wait around the corner and
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: watch Jess. Yes, you know, so we have that maternal
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: moment that we like. I think everyone loves when we
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: get that from Luke.
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: But I think it's also foreboding too, right, It's like
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: I'm hooked. I these are the uh you know, these
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: are the these are the the difficulties of being responsible,
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: and these are the it's like this is not gonna
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: go well, but I cannot turn my back on family.
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: This kind of that for me, That's what that scene.
• 19:27
  Speaker 3: Was all about.
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: Media episode for Luke and his family. Now we see
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: just his mom and we've already met his dad in Venice.
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: And are you starting to understand why Jess is the
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: way he is?
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: Amanda, Yeah, I mean, poorfect kid. Honestly, Like, I love
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: that we get a good ending for Jess because you know,
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: like I said earlier with Lane, we don't get it
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: for all characters. But like I, Jess was smart. We
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: knew he was smart. We knew he was headstrong, but
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: we knew he was capable. So I love that he
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: turns out okay. But like in this moment, you're just like,
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: what the like, why are you back? Why are you
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: being mean to Root? Luke? Are you going to say
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: something that hurts Rory? Are you going to disappear again?
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: But also as a viewer, like you gotta think I'm
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: Rory's age, so as I'm watching this the first time,
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: I'm like the same age as her. So we also
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: have like just the heart throb thing where the viewers,
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: we haven't seen him in a long time. So remember
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: the first time I watched this, it's like he's back,
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: and what is he back back? Are they getting back together?
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: Back?
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: You know? And then you want that, but at the
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: same time you don't want that because he's still bad
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: news at this.
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: Point, right, great tension, great tension to throw him back
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: in that way, just fantastic. Yeah, story device, that's how.
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: That's how you use a character. I mean that that
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: is a that is a lesson in how you use
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: a character. We're also getting more depth with Luke's character
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: and why he is the stable one in his family.
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: What are your thoughts on how he handled Liz and
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: Jess in this episode?
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: I mean relatable as the stable one, right, as that one.
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: That's really I've always been very willing to save the day,
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: help out, pay for the thing, you know whatever. It
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: does make you feel like you're in a pickle because
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: you can't just help people out of like love and generosity.
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: You're doing it from like guilt and obligation. And that
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: doesn't feel good to anyone, Like he doesn't, you know,
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: it doesn't feel good to have to help someone when
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: it doesn't feel like your actual choice, and he doesn't
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: know what both Liz and Jess are gonna need from
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: him right now. And he's obviously convicted because he's a
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: very good guy. But like I said, if it's not choice,
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: if it's not love and generosity, and it's guilt and obligation,
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: how do you know? How do you feel good about
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: those dynamics that aren't like even given takes and probably
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: never will be. He will probably always be the stable
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: one with Liz, always be the stable one with Jess
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: and gets tiring.
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: Mm hm oh yeah, it's exhausting. All right. Now we're
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: going to talk about you, Amanda. You ready?
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: I guess I'm can to talk about Yomar girls all
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: day if.
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: You want, we gotta talk about you, all right? All right? So,
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: as a Gilmore fan, who do you most resonate with
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: from the series? Which characters?
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: This has gone in phases?
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: Right? Because it changes as you get older? Right, it does. Well,
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: it's been.
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: Twenty It's so good. I've been watching the show for
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: twenty years, but I have been so when I'm, you know,
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: twenty twenty one watching it for the first time. Lurlaia
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: is like such the cool mom. I'm like, that's the
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: mom I want to be. Can I, you know, have
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: my business, build my in, raise my kids, stay independent,
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: do do it my way like Laura Lai is so
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: was like the vibe for me always. And then I
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: get older and I have kids and I have a business,
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: and you see how much parenting Rory has to do,
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: how responsible Rory has to be. And then Laura I
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: starts being a little less appilling, which I did not like.
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: I didn't want it to ever feel that way, but
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: that's that's what I started to feel after I was
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: actually a mom, you know. And then you know, Emily
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: is like the devil at first. Away she needs to
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: get away from her, she needs to, like Emily's leave
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: her alone. She doesn't understand her, She's misunderstood. I think
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: I related it to those ideas. And now I watch
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: Emily and I'm like, Emily's a classy bitch. Like Emily
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: has her shit together, you know, like as now that
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: I'm older, Emily doesn't bother me the same way. I
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: think there's some admirable things there. I mean, they're all
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: kooky or wouldn't be a good.
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: Job, right right, right, right, right right.
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: So I don't. It's really it's evolved, all.
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: Right, since you're known as the money Queen. And I'm
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: gonna have to do a little more research into this
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: because I was not aware of that. What do you
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: think of the dynamic of Emily Richard Lorelai and the
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: privileged life Laurel I wanted to run away from?
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: I think so I don't come from any privilege at all,
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: but I have that wild Laura life spirit of have
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: to do it yourself. I had the very much to
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: do everything myself, and it wouldn't have mattered if my
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: parents had something to provide for me or not. I
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: think I would have been that person, and I think
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: that's just who she is. She needed to make her
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: own money, she needed to find her own way, and
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: I find it fascinating. I mean, the whole thing is fascinating.
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: But when I was first watching the show those years ago,
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: it was apparent to me that everyone on the show
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: was like hard working, entrepreneurial spirit person. Luke figures out
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: Luke's diner. We watched Laura Lai through the whole saga.
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: At the end, Richard's a hard working man who goes
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: into business for himself, and I don't know, like Many,
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: Many's talking like a lot of shows like avoid Money,
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: you know, but Many is like very much like a
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: character in this show, Like Laura needs her parents, but
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: she does so begrudgingly, and she's willing to take my
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: from them that she wants to pay it back as
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: quickly as possible. She doesn't want anything to be held
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: over her headever. I mean, I don't know. These are
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: real life, relatable dynamics we deal with when it comes
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: to family finances.
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, let's get into real Housewives of Beverly
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: Hills for the Bravo fans who are listening, and I'm
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: sure there's a few of you out there. Yeah, you
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: had your first season as a housewife this past year.
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: Reflecting back, how do you think it went?
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: I think it went, you know, I'm happy with my ending.
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: I'll tell let me say this. I'm not a Bravo fan.
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: I've never watched a Bravo show. I watched Gilmore Girls.
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: I watched things that felt wholesome and nourishing, and like,
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: I don't know, I don't watch dramatic I don't watch
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: dramatic television. I don't watch reality television. So I didn't
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: go into the like a lot of people go into
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: the show like with a big understanding of how Bravo
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: is and how Bravo works and the dynamics of the
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: shows and how we're supposed to Honestly, these women like
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: often dig up dirt on each other and try to
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: make each other look bad for storylines, and that's just
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: like not my moo. Like, I'm an entrepreneur, I've mentored
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: many entrepreneurs like I want women to win. So I
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: was very naive going in and that was it was.
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: It was like awkward as I was finding my footing,
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: but where it ended up was this like beautiful place. Honestly,
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: of I was just me. I was just authentic. I
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: didn't stab any when in the back. I didn't talk
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: about anyone behind their back. I was really consistent. And
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: by the end, the viewers the fans like they got it.
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: They were like, Oh, she's not being fake. She's just
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: not into all of this. She's unbothered by the drama
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: of it all. And so I'm happy with it. Though
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: I had a weird, a very weird middle where the
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: Internet hated me. I had a really for being a
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: little Paris like I had a very good end.
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: If they offered you Spot next year, would you return.
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: I haven't decided. I haven't decided. There's moments I would
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: never want to do that ever. Again, that was so awful,
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: But now that I understand the game, I could do that. Well,
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: you know, right right right right. It's like you get
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: better at things as you learn about them.
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: Sure sure, sure, sure no. And what's the shooting schedule?
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: Like I was, I always wondered about that.
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: Okay, so you shoot for about three months. It was
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: from early July to early September this past year, and
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: they can use you up to five days a week.
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: They might not always need you five days a week.
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: But we have a house in Newport Beach, so I
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: was actually trying to live in Newport for the summer
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: with my family and drive up here to film, and
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: that wasn't the summer I was trying to have with
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: me and my children. So it's not really the three
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: months of filming that's the hardest part. It's that you
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: then go into about six months of interviews of confessionals
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: where you're filming those things that are like the in
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: between parts of a reality.
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: Oh gosh, you know, that.
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: Well, they need you about every eight days to come
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: in and do another one every five to ten. I
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: would say, you can't really let the season go because
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: of this. So this is happening. And then right when
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: you get done with interviews, you got to go film
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: the reunion. And so the reunion is a whole, like
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: fourteen hour day of your life where you just sit
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: on the stage with these women and talk about things
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: you're desperately ready to never talk about again. And then
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: it's time to do media, and then you're doing me
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: like for context, you know, I feel like the last
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: episode of the reunion just aired about three weeks ago,
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: and this is the time we started filming last year.
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: So it did take one year of my life. It
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: did take a whole year, and it made the worst
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: part was not being able to focus on the things
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: that I already had going on, when it felt like
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: it was taking away from my kids or my actual
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: business that makes me money and days my bills. So
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: a year of your life when you already had a
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: full life, I mean, it's a lot. If you have
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: a different life sell than me, where there's more time
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: and space, that might feel differently if you're not the broken.
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: If you're not, you know it might be different.
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: All right, good enough, good enough, Well, Amanda, thanks for
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: taking the time when you got to go, go, take
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: care of family. Listen, best fans on the planet. Thanks
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: for downloading. Keep the cards and letters coming, the emails,
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: smoke signals, whatever you want to send us. We read
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: everything so appreciated and remember where you lead, we will follow.
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: Thank you to Amanda Francis. We will see you next time.
• 29:20
  Speaker 3: Stay safe, everyone, Hey, everybody.
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: And talks again. Follow us on Instagram at i Am
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• 29:59
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