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314: Is Janelle Okay? + The Catfish Weaponized - Raccoons Sound Off! · Reality TV Cringe

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Speaker 3: First one we have is from Raccoon Gertrude.
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Speaker 4: This is Raccoon Gertrude, and I'm calling from a dumpster
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Speaker 4: in New Jersey. The reason for my call is that
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Speaker 4: I have been trying to figure out why Janelle has
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Speaker 4: turned into an absolute demon, and I'm starting to wonder
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Speaker 4: if she is still under the thumb of Cody Brown.
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Speaker 4: And the reason that I think this is when she
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Speaker 4: starts to talk about the exterminator story, which is just
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Speaker 4: a stupid storyline that sounds like something Cody came up with,
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Speaker 4: as if this is all you talk about with your
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Speaker 4: husband is which exterminator you're using and why you switched.
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Speaker 4: But I digress. But when she talks about it, she
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Speaker 4: talks about it as if she has no firsthand knowledge
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Speaker 4: of the conversation. She says, I must have talked about
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Speaker 4: it to him. I must have told him, as if
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Speaker 4: someone told her it happened, and she is convinced of it.
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Speaker 3: Tell me what you think, Yeah, I mean, I agree.
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Speaker 3: I think Cody probably told her. Hey, remember that time
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Speaker 3: that Jen came to me and said she told Mary
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Speaker 3: to tell take all the money and run. Wasn't that
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Speaker 3: such a bitchy thing that Jen did? Oh my god,
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Speaker 3: she's such a terrible person. And Janelle being stupid and
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Speaker 3: probably still simping for Cody A little bit was probably like, oh, yeah,
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Speaker 3: I have a vague recollection of that memory, please tell
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Speaker 3: me it again, and then Cody recounted it to her,
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Speaker 3: and thus this story became fabricated.
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Speaker 1: Disagree what I am of the opinion. I'm in the
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Speaker 1: school of thought that Janelle and Cody came up with
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Speaker 1: that lie together. I don't think it is about her
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Speaker 1: memory or about him recollecting what might have happened. I
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Speaker 1: think this is a conversation. This I'm just speculating, but
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Speaker 1: this is a conversation that feels like happened around the
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Speaker 1: time where they were talking about Mary not signing off
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Speaker 1: on Coyote Pass and the things that they could say.
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Speaker 1: I just feel to me there's just a energy of
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Speaker 1: collusion with those two around that in particular, and that's
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Speaker 1: very disappointing to me because here too four I have
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Speaker 1: not envisioned Janelle to be that kind of person, But
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Speaker 1: after this season, I actually kind of think she would
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Speaker 1: do that. Wow, And I wonder if she would do
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Speaker 1: that preemptively because she knew this backdoor deal conversation was
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Speaker 1: gonna happen, and so she wanted to throw something else
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Speaker 1: in the mix in order to take the attention off
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Speaker 1: of her. I don't know, but I personally feel like
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Speaker 1: maybe she's capable. I mean, Gertrude here, did she call
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Speaker 1: her a demon?
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Speaker 4: Yeah?
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Speaker 1: I believe it. I mean, I just there's something that's
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Speaker 1: happened with Janelle. I don't know if she's just given up.
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Speaker 1: I don't know if it's because she's still in love.
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Speaker 1: I don't know if she's simping or if she's just
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Speaker 1: quiet quitting. But I personally think they orchestrated that, and
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Speaker 1: Mary said it herself in that final episode. It feels
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Speaker 1: like something that came together recently, this lie and so do.
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Speaker 3: You think it was purely because Janelle wanted to take
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Speaker 3: the heat off of her or do you think it
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Speaker 3: was just Janelle and Cody colluding against Mary somehow because
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Speaker 3: Mary was pissing.
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Speaker 1: Them off the latter. I mean, I think that the
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Speaker 1: nicest way we could frame it is that Janelle wanted
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Speaker 1: to take the heat off of herself. But I'm wondering
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Speaker 1: if the more accurate idea is that her and Cody
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Speaker 1: and maybe even Robin, although I think Janelle hates Robin,
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Speaker 1: so her and Cody, but Robin, through Cody came up
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Speaker 1: with this thing to say during the tell alls totally
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Speaker 1: and like, you know, there's the whole NDA that she signed,
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Speaker 1: it sounds like and so she's participating in this cover
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Speaker 1: up already with Cody and Robin. So I just wouldn't
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Speaker 1: put it past her. I don't know what's happened to Janelle.
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Speaker 1: Has she always been like this? This week we covered
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Speaker 1: season seven, episode six, when they're going on this long
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Speaker 1: road trip and we see Cody really coming down hard
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Speaker 1: on Garret and the rest of the family also coming
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Speaker 1: down hard on Garrison, and we don't see Janelle stepping
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Speaker 1: in front to cover her son. And maybe that's because
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Speaker 1: Garrison was a problem child. I don't know, but I'm
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Speaker 1: just like, there are so many things in these recent seasons,
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Speaker 1: but also in these earlier seasons that I find troublesome
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Speaker 1: with Janelle.
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Speaker 3: So yeah, I agree. I don't know if she's always
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Speaker 3: been this way or if it's just a product of
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Speaker 3: this fundamentalist religion that they are in or we're in,
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Speaker 3: because I've seen a lot of comments and stuff from
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Speaker 3: people like on youtubes or whatever saying that this is
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Speaker 3: like part of their conditioning, like in how the women
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Speaker 3: are supposed to be like very passive, Like we see
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Speaker 3: Janelle even in season seven, being super passive, being very
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Speaker 3: much a background character, and just like letting Cody spuw
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Speaker 3: bullshit on all of her kids and everything. Like I
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Speaker 3: don't know if it's a product of their religion or
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Speaker 3: if Janelle's just a bad person. I don't know, or
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Speaker 3: maybe it's both.
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Speaker 1: Maybe, but I mean to me, it's like I have
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Speaker 1: been a part of a coercive religion. I have been
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Speaker 1: a part of a system of religious thought that was,
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Speaker 1: in my opinion looking back, toxic. The things that Janelle
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Speaker 1: has said over the years about being independent and not
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Speaker 1: buying into the patriarchy, like the things she's signaled to
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Speaker 1: us that she believes about the world and about herself, Like,
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Speaker 1: don't reconcile with me regarding the things that she's done recently.
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Speaker 1: So I just and at some point, like you have
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Speaker 1: to take responsibility, like, yeah, I came up in a cult,
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Speaker 1: or like I'm still loosely affiliated with this strict religion.
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Speaker 1: But it's also bad for women. Yeah, it's also really
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Speaker 1: harmful to children. And I'm also involved in this production
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Speaker 1: company and the show on TLC that had a hand
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Speaker 1: in truly damaging my son who is no longer with us. Like,
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Speaker 1: there's just thought processes that I feel like Janelle should
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Speaker 1: be involved in that. I'm not seeing the fruit of
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Speaker 1: Does that make sense? Yeah, I'm not seeing it with you, Janelle?
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Speaker 1: What the fuck is wrong with you? Janelle?
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Speaker 3: I agree with you, And I feel like Janelle, out
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Speaker 3: of all of them, has the emotional intelligence to have
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Speaker 3: those kinds of conversations or like have that kind of
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Speaker 3: self reflection. But she's like actively choosing not to. Maybe
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Speaker 3: it's because she's so passive, maybe she's so disconnected, or
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Speaker 3: maybe it's the money, maybe it's the NDA or whatever,
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Speaker 3: and she just wants to avoid it. But I feel
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Speaker 3: like she, out of everybody, should have the ability to
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Speaker 3: look back on that and to articulate it, because there's
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Speaker 3: some things that like Janelle will say every now and
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Speaker 3: then where she'll like articulate how Robin's this conniving puppet
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Speaker 3: master who speaks Cody and like she'll articulate it in
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Speaker 3: a very intelligent way, whereas the others are not able
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Speaker 3: to do that because they're not that smart. So I'm like, Janelle,
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Speaker 3: you have you have this ability, So why you made
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Speaker 3: a big old bitch.
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Speaker 1: And that's the question I think Gertrude is asking, like
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Speaker 1: what happened to Janelle. I would love to hear your
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Speaker 1: feedback in the comments below or via Instagram. You could
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Speaker 1: write to our girl Beatrice and tell her what you think.
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Speaker 1: Let us know, Yeah, because I'm curious to Gertrude. Yes,
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Speaker 1: so thank you for the call, Gertrude. Next one we
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Speaker 1: have is from Tanya.
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Speaker 2: High lady is this is Tanya calling from a dumpster
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Speaker 2: in Houston. I've called a couple of times, but I
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Speaker 2: haven't called lately. Right now, James from my take on Reality,
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Speaker 2: I know that's one of you guys's YouTube buddies. He
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Speaker 2: is opening up a discussion on the catfish and how
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Speaker 2: it's basically been used to somewhat bully Mary and embarrass
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Speaker 2: her and humiliate her and not really open it up
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Speaker 2: all the way to where it began, how the catfish
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Speaker 2: was even able to infiltrate the Browns basically by Cody
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Speaker 2: being a piece of shit and not taking care of
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Speaker 2: his wife while she sat there in her backyard looking
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Speaker 2: over at him, barbecuing with Robin and her kids and
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Speaker 2: not giving a shit.
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Speaker 4: But also.
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Speaker 2: Even after we admit, okay, yes, Mary cheated. If Mary
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Speaker 2: is telling Cody and Robin, hey, somebody has broken into
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Speaker 2: the cul de sac, has put bugs in the house
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Speaker 2: and is spying on me. That puts the children in danger.
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Speaker 2: And Robin is completely overprotective of her children, and Cody
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Speaker 2: went through the whole COVID thing and lost his family
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Speaker 2: because he was just trying to protect his children from
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Speaker 2: something that he had no idea. If you're both so
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Speaker 2: concerned about protecting the children, why did you not care
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Speaker 2: about this fear of this person that has scaled the
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Speaker 2: fence and come into the cul de sac.
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Speaker 3: That makes me, oh, kind of but yeah, I mean
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Speaker 3: that's a good that's an interesting thought. What do you
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Speaker 3: think about that?
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Speaker 1: It reminds me of something I want to say was
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Speaker 1: Love and Marriage Huntsville, where these two women were having
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Speaker 1: an argument and one of the women said, well, don't
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Speaker 1: start at the middle. Let's start this at the beginning
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Speaker 1: where it actually really started. And this is what it
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Speaker 1: kind of gives to me, Like they want to talk
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Speaker 1: about what Mary did and the betrayal of her actions
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Speaker 1: with the catfish without talking about what led up to that,
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Speaker 1: what created this vulnerability in Mary that she would be
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Speaker 1: susceptible to be taken advantage of by this woman pretending
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Speaker 1: to be a man who was in love with her. Like,
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Speaker 1: that's the important conversation that, of course Cody and Robin
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Speaker 1: are unwilling to have, and they're much more interested in
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Speaker 1: trying to ostracize in estrange Mary yep, based on like
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Speaker 1: the choices that she made, but in this state of
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Speaker 1: mind that they created. Right, So it's it is unfair.
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Speaker 1: I mean, that doesn't take away the responsibility of Mary
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Speaker 1: and the things that she did which we call out,
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Speaker 1: and it was wrong, and I still think to this
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Speaker 1: day Mary does not own it the way that she should.
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Speaker 1: But like, imagine a world where Mary came out and
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Speaker 1: said I did that. Yeah, I was in a tub,
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Speaker 1: there was a banana in my mouth. I took a
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Speaker 1: picture of that and then I sent it to Sam
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Speaker 1: because I was falling in love with this idea of
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Speaker 1: a man who could love me back. Because I was
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Speaker 1: in a marriage, and that's the beginning, that's the start
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Speaker 1: of it. Because I was in a marriage where I
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Speaker 1: wasn't seen, nobody cared about me, nobody liked me, and
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Speaker 1: I was alone, and so I did some stupid shit
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Speaker 1: and I was wrong for that, and I would not
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Speaker 1: do that again. But can we also have a conversation
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Speaker 1: about what preceded that, Like if Mary came to us
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Speaker 1: with that kind of conversation, the amount of respect that
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Speaker 1: I would have for her and I think that we
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Speaker 1: would all have for and also sympathy and rooting for
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Speaker 1: you that would happen in the Sister Wife's community would
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Speaker 1: be on another level. But that's the problem with these
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Speaker 1: people is they can't tell the whole truth and when
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Speaker 1: they do something wrong, they can't own it, like down
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Speaker 1: to the bones, no own a part of it. Yeah, okay, well,
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Speaker 1: I mean but I did that because and then they
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Speaker 1: deflect and they just can't own anything that they do.
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Speaker 3: No, none of them can.
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Speaker 1: So what do you think? What is your feedback?
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Speaker 3: I mean, I agree completely. I mean Mary got a
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Speaker 3: little close in These Tell Nothings in season twenty where
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Speaker 3: she kind of tried to articulate like Janelle and Cody
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Speaker 3: couldn't understand, like why I was in such dark place
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Speaker 3: in these early years that would lead up to the catfish,
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Speaker 3: like they couldn't understand it. But then she doesn't really
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Speaker 3: take full responsibility like you said, because she'll say like, well,
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Speaker 3: but Sam was taking advantage of the family and manipulating me, Like, girl,
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Speaker 3: but you were sending banana photos of yourself in the tub,
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Speaker 3: like please miss me with this, Like he was not
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Speaker 3: completely taking advantage of you, you were also giving in
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Speaker 3: to it. But I do think that Mary does her
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Speaker 3: best with her emotional acuity and emotional intelligence level, which
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Speaker 3: is quite low. She does her best to try and
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Speaker 3: own up to it in the sense of like I
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Speaker 3: did something that was wrong, I shouldn't have done it.
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Speaker 3: But she doesn't take the full weight of the responsibility.
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Speaker 3: But nobody does in this family, Like literally, no one
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Speaker 3: fucking does, even in Christine's book, which we covered on
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Speaker 3: Patreon at length, Like she is glossing over so many
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Speaker 3: like big things, so many things, like she was responsible
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Speaker 3: for so many things that Cody was responsible for, and
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Speaker 3: she can't even fully articulate like how these things made
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Speaker 3: her feel, how Cody was such a piece of shit Dad,
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Speaker 3: Like she can't really.
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Speaker 1: Go in which she lied I lost weight because of
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Speaker 1: plexus when the entire time she was on a GLP
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Speaker 1: one exactly, I mitigated my perimenopause symptoms with plexus when
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Speaker 1: the entire time she was on hormone replacement therapy.
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Speaker 3: Yep.
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Speaker 1: But she's not telling people that because she's a liar.
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Speaker 3: Yep. And so back to Tanya's original point about like
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Speaker 3: using the catfish as a way to bully Mary, I
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Speaker 3: do agree with that as well, because I do think
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Speaker 3: that they I mean, they just keep bringing it up,
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Speaker 3: even when we get to the Catfish episodes, which I
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Speaker 3: rewatched like recently a few months ago, because I hadn't
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Speaker 3: seen them in so many years. Like, they were so
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Speaker 3: hard on Mary for it, and I understand Cody was
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Speaker 3: her or betrayed or whatever because Mary had this emotional affair,
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Speaker 3: but it's like, do we ever call Cody out for
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Speaker 3: the fact that he like moved out of Mary's house
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Speaker 3: at that point and like wasn't fucking her for years
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Speaker 3: and didn't give a shit about her. Melt it down
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Speaker 3: her ring, melt it down her ring, and then got
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Speaker 3: the legal divorce. Like all of this happened in this time,
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Speaker 3: and that was what led up to Mary cheating, emotionally cheating,
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Speaker 3: but nobody talks about that. We're just gonna make Mary
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Speaker 3: feel complete and utter shame, not only just in the
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Speaker 3: family personally, but publicly as well, because we're gonna talk
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Speaker 3: about it on every fucking episode of Sister Wives, every
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Speaker 3: tell all, every interview because at the time when they
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Speaker 3: were doing interviews with like ABC Family and whatever like,
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Speaker 3: they were bringing it up then, and so Mary had
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Speaker 3: to constantly relive it over and over and over again,
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Speaker 3: like talk about how humiliating.
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Speaker 1: And we're still talking about it in twenty twenty six.
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Speaker 1: We're using it as a weapon against Mary exactly. Mary
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Speaker 1: could literally diffuse the entire thing though by owning it
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Speaker 1: one hundred percent and saying, yeah, I shouldn't have done that.
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Speaker 1: Like I said, she could change the narrative on this.
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Speaker 1: But I think for whatever reason, she's still vulnerable around
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Speaker 1: it and is still maybe in a little bit of
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Speaker 1: shame about it, and so she doesn't want to say anything,
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Speaker 1: or maybe she wants to protect Cody and Robin.
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Speaker 3: Maybe I don't know. And I mean, I can understand
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Speaker 3: her still having shame over it and not wanting to
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Speaker 3: talk about it fully or thinking that it's stupid, like
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Speaker 3: why are we still bringing it up ten years later?
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Speaker 3: But I'm like Mary to your point. Mary could diffuse it.
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Speaker 1: She could diffuse it so many ways.
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Speaker 3: She could drop bombs on the family too. She could
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Speaker 3: drop some secrets because I know she knows some shit, yes,
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Speaker 3: but she chooses not to. She actively chooses not to
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Speaker 3: because she thinks that that's like being the bigger person,
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Speaker 3: and maybe it, but you know what, just stoop down
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Speaker 3: to their level just a little bit, very just stoop
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Speaker 3: down a little bit and just drop some fucking tea
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Speaker 3: because she would she I feel like, has the capacity
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Speaker 3: to throw some fucking grenades, yes, and she just actively
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Speaker 3: chooses not to. So she just lets them blear with this.
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Speaker 4: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's true too.
19:20
Speaker 3: And I hate that. I hate to say that because
19:22
Speaker 3: she's not like to blame for their behavior, for them
19:26
Speaker 3: constantly weaponizing the catfish behavior. But she could put a
19:30
Speaker 3: stop too.
19:30
Speaker 1: And maybe she will someday. And you know, we've talked
19:33
Speaker 1: about this. I think she's on a healing journey. I
19:37
Speaker 1: think she's on an arc, like she is in the
19:39
Speaker 1: process of trying to change her mindset, trying to change
19:43
Speaker 1: her life, trying to be independent and be joyful and
19:45
Speaker 1: all of those things. And I think over time, I
19:48
Speaker 1: don't think she's getting therapy unfortunately. I think she could
19:51
Speaker 1: really stand to go to therapy. But over time, I
19:55
Speaker 1: think she'll come into more epiphanies about herself and like
19:58
Speaker 1: her past, and maybe in five years, ten years, will
20:02
Speaker 1: get a Mary. If I'm still here, you can tell
20:04
Speaker 1: me via the week shut up, get the Ouiji border
20:06
Speaker 1: out and say, Dailia. Mary's book is so awesome. She's
20:10
Speaker 1: finally talking about it all, and I will respond via
20:14
Speaker 1: the punchet. But like, maybe at some point in the
20:17
Speaker 1: future we'll have a Mary who can articulate herself in
20:20
Speaker 1: this way. I hope for that, but like, this.
20:23
Speaker 3: Is where she is, Right's journey.
20:25
Speaker 1: Entitled to be where she is at this time, it's
20:28
Speaker 1: her path.
20:29
Speaker 3: Yeah, So what do y'all think? Do you think the
20:31
Speaker 3: catfish story has been weaponized to bully Mary or do
20:34
Speaker 3: you have other theories about it? Let us know in
20:36
Speaker 3: the comments below. And the last caller we have is
20:40
Speaker 3: from a dirty raccoon.
20:42
Speaker 1: Those are my favorite raccoon.
20:43
Speaker 5: They doo Hi, guys. I just wanted to let you
20:46
Speaker 5: guys know. I know it's not really it's not really good,
20:50
Speaker 5: but I think why Danelle hates Robin. I think she
20:54
Speaker 5: blames her about Karl, about Garrison. I really do the
20:58
Speaker 5: way how she has distinct her in the Waven Mattie
21:01
Speaker 5: talks about it, I feel like they have disdain for her.
21:04
Speaker 5: But anyways, let me know what you y'all think.
21:07
Speaker 3: Dang, that's a hot take.
21:13
Speaker 1: Well, the only way I can respond to that is
21:16
Speaker 1: by putting myself into her shoes as a mother in
21:20
Speaker 1: the situation that I understand it to be, as an
21:22
Speaker 1: observer on the outside. If I were Janelle and my
21:27
Speaker 1: kids were popping off upset, it was Garrison that called
21:31
Speaker 1: Robin and said, stop taking my dad away from me.
21:35
Speaker 1: It was Mattie who said, anytime she opens her mouth,
21:39
Speaker 1: she's lying.
21:39
Speaker 3: Yep.
21:40
Speaker 1: So if I'm Janelle and I know that my kids
21:43
Speaker 1: feel that way, and one of my children leaves the
21:48
Speaker 1: world be because of their current situation on a night
21:53
Speaker 1: when they were talking to TLC production about the show,
22:01
Speaker 1: I can see how she would shift some of that
22:04
Speaker 1: blame onto Robin. It really deserves to be on Cody, though,
22:09
Speaker 1: for sure, it deserves to be on Cody. And to
22:12
Speaker 1: the extent that Janelle gives a pass to Cody because
22:16
Speaker 1: she's still in love with him, has signed an NDA
22:20
Speaker 1: is a simp. Whatever the reason is, like to the
22:22
Speaker 1: extent that she absolves him for responsibility and maybe shifts
22:26
Speaker 1: it onto Robin because she can't use him as a target. Like,
22:29
Speaker 1: I can understand how that would happen, But I think
22:34
Speaker 1: the disdain that we get from Janelle about Robin has
22:38
Speaker 1: been there the whole time. Agreed. I think from the
22:41
Speaker 1: very beginning, Janelle had Robin's number. I think Robin knew
22:46
Speaker 1: that Janelle had her number, which is why she never
22:48
Speaker 1: wanted to channel challenged Janelle. She never wanted to get
22:51
Speaker 1: into an altercation with Janelle. She also knew that Cody
22:55
Speaker 1: had a heart for Janelle. So I think the reason
22:59
Speaker 1: Janelle and like Robin is because Robin is fundamentally unlikable. Yeah,
23:04
Speaker 1: and Janelle has the secrets and the deats.
23:07
Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree. I think that if Janelle hated Robin
23:12
Speaker 3: so much, it was because of more tangible reasons, like
23:15
Speaker 3: she saw where the money was going and it went
23:17
Speaker 3: to Robin and her fake nails and her Dickenzie and
23:20
Speaker 3: villages and all that shit. She saw how Cody favored Robin,
23:24
Speaker 3: and probably at that point, like we had to call
23:26
Speaker 3: her a couple weeks ago, say that Janelle was the
23:29
Speaker 3: original Robin. So maybe Janelle hated Robin because she was
23:33
Speaker 3: no longer Cody's favorite. She wasn't getting the sweet sweet dicken,
23:36
Speaker 3: I guess, and only Robin was getting it. And then
23:39
Speaker 3: she had a few good years in Vegas and then
23:41
Speaker 3: it went all downhill. So I think that Janelle, like
23:44
Speaker 3: you'd said, probably hated Robin from the get go because
23:47
Speaker 3: of the whole money situation. She knew Robin was vying
23:50
Speaker 3: to be the favorite and best wife, and she ultimately
23:55
Speaker 3: got that. She ultimately won, and so maybe that's why
23:58
Speaker 3: Janelle hated her. But I could see where she could
24:00
Speaker 3: shift some of the blame to Robin. I feel like,
24:04
Speaker 3: if anything, Jenelle probably only blames Robin. I don't think
24:08
Speaker 3: Janelle blames Cody for anything with Garrison, which is really unfortunate.
24:12
Speaker 3: I guess, god, it's so fucking obvious to everybody else
24:15
Speaker 3: with eyes that Cody, I don't want to say, contributed
24:19
Speaker 3: to Garrison's passing. But Cody did not help Garrison's mental
24:26
Speaker 3: well being. I'll just leave it there. He did not
24:28
Speaker 3: help it in a positive way. He only contributed negative
24:32
Speaker 3: to negatively to it, especially within the last few years.
24:35
Speaker 3: And I think, if anything, Janelle blames Robin for it
24:39
Speaker 3: because she doesn't feel like she can blame Cody for
24:42
Speaker 3: it for some reason.
24:44
Speaker 1: I think the question is why doesn't she think she
24:46
Speaker 1: can blame Cody for it? That's like the most interesting question.
24:50
Speaker 1: Is it because she's in love? Is it because of
24:52
Speaker 1: the show? Is it because of an Nda? Is it
24:56
Speaker 1: because they partnered in stealing from the LC together and
24:59
Speaker 1: she got a benefit that the other wives didn't get?
25:02
Speaker 1: What would the reason be that she wouldn't want to
25:05
Speaker 1: point that at Cody, and so she feels comfortable to
25:08
Speaker 1: point it at Robin. But like to be fair, she
25:10
Speaker 1: really doesn't come for Robin that much. Like she's asked
25:13
Speaker 1: a question and a tell nothing and she answers it
25:15
Speaker 1: and she's like, yeah, no, I don't think so she
25:18
Speaker 1: ain't shit. But that's the extent of it. It kind
25:21
Speaker 1: of more feels like she's just opted out of the
25:23
Speaker 1: conversation and she doesn't want to participate in it anymore.
25:26
Speaker 1: But if that were my child.
25:28
Speaker 3: Girl righteous rage, the way that I would be dexter
25:34
Speaker 3: levels of planning with latex and executing that, like the
25:40
Speaker 3: way I would be holding a grudge the lawsuits, I mean,
25:44
Speaker 3: I would be apoplectic and.
25:47
Speaker 1: I wouldn't give a fuck if there was a production
25:49
Speaker 1: house that was trying to control the narrative. I would
25:52
Speaker 1: be talking to the New York Post and the New
25:55
Speaker 1: York Times. I would be fucking on my Instagram. I
25:58
Speaker 1: would be coming for every buddy's throats. That's me, though.
26:02
Speaker 1: Maybe I'm anomalous as a mom because I'm just a
26:05
Speaker 1: wild person out here. But I don't know why. I
26:08
Speaker 1: don't know how she has swept this under the rug
26:10
Speaker 1: after Garrison's passing, because you're being very kind, I think
26:14
Speaker 1: he one hundred percent contributed to Garrison's mental state. I
26:18
Speaker 1: think when you have Garrison texting production on the night
26:22
Speaker 1: that he ultimately left us, talking about the show and
26:25
Speaker 1: lamenting the show, and when you hear Garrison in that
26:30
Speaker 1: season talk about how he hasn't talked to his father.
26:33
Speaker 1: He wanted to tell his dad about the car that
26:35
Speaker 1: he bought and the home that he'd bought, but he
26:37
Speaker 1: can't share that with his dad. You can hear how
26:41
Speaker 1: he is torn up about his relationship with his father. Definitely, So, Janelle,
26:46
Speaker 1: I don't know where you are in the fog, honey.
26:49
Speaker 1: I get that it's comfortable and you've been in a
26:51
Speaker 1: thirty year nightmare or whatever, but I just know how
26:54
Speaker 1: I would be doing it differently, which would be a felony.
26:57
Speaker 1: I know for real, it would be a felony right
27:00
Speaker 1: if it were me. But we're all different and stuff.
27:03
Speaker 3: God bless, I mean, God bless not to bring astrology
27:06
Speaker 3: into the to the equation. But I'm like, I wonder
27:09
Speaker 3: what your placements are, Like what is your mars placement?
27:11
Speaker 3: Because you have to be so fucking docile, because like
27:13
Speaker 3: I would be just as rageful and cancer and that's
27:18
Speaker 3: supposed to be like one of the tamer ones. But
27:21
Speaker 3: they can't be crazy grudges and they're very emotional, interrational gemina.
27:26
Speaker 1: Bitch, oh honey coming for everybody in the story.
27:30
Speaker 3: I'm like, you're the hurricane.
27:33
Speaker 1: Yep, I'm ready.
27:35
Speaker 3: And it's just so it's just odd to me. The
27:36
Speaker 3: only thing that I can think of that could kind
27:39
Speaker 3: of rationalize her lack of like reaction and her lack
27:42
Speaker 3: of anger is like, you know, when two parents lose
27:46
Speaker 3: a child, like you could either go two ways. The
27:50
Speaker 3: parents could blame each other, they ultimately split up and
27:53
Speaker 3: it creates this huge division and it creates a break
27:56
Speaker 3: that will never be fixed. Or you can have two
27:59
Speaker 3: parents that like just console each other, and you just
28:02
Speaker 3: bond over the loss of your kid, and so maybe
28:04
Speaker 3: she like looks at Cody with these like rose colored
28:07
Speaker 3: glasses and it's like, well, but he's a father lost
28:09
Speaker 3: a kid too. But I, just like you had said,
28:13
Speaker 3: I can't fucking relate to it. I really can't, because
28:15
Speaker 3: I don't understand how she could just not blame him
28:17
Speaker 3: and not be so upset.
28:19
Speaker 1: Well, And you have to take into account that this
28:22
Speaker 1: is not happening in isolation, right, This is happening on
28:26
Speaker 1: the world stage, where you have people out here calling
28:29
Speaker 1: out in real time what they see regarding Cody and Robin.
28:33
Speaker 1: In the entire dynamic. It's not like you aren't privy
28:36
Speaker 1: to the information, yeah, and the perspective of everybody who
28:40
Speaker 1: sees it from an the outside vantage point. And so
28:44
Speaker 1: to have all of that information, plus to have lived
28:48
Speaker 1: it and to still choose to potentially make up a
28:51
Speaker 1: story about Jen and Mary and potentially try to do
28:55
Speaker 1: a backdoor deal with an absolute demon of a person
28:59
Speaker 1: and his fuck wife, Like, are you so broken down
29:03
Speaker 1: internally that you're just like living day to day? Because
29:07
Speaker 1: contextualize this with the fact that she's launched her coaching business. Oh,
29:12
Speaker 1: let's all get coaching for life from Janelle, okay, and
29:15
Speaker 1: for fitness from Janelle. But like that she's doing these
29:18
Speaker 1: lives on Facebook or whatever like Mary does, in which
29:21
Speaker 1: she's trying to mentor people in fitness and their life
29:25
Speaker 1: when she's so fundamentally broken, but she's also desperate for
29:30
Speaker 1: an income stream.
29:31
Speaker 3: Yep.
29:31
Speaker 1: So if she's that desperate for an income stream, and
29:34
Speaker 1: we've had people on Reddit who have attended those lives
29:36
Speaker 1: and who've said she's really bad at it, she does
29:39
Speaker 1: not seem comfortable trying to talk to people about their issues.
29:42
Speaker 1: But if you're that desperate that you would do something
29:45
Speaker 1: that you don't want to do for money, then what
29:48
Speaker 1: else will you do for money?
29:50
Speaker 3: Exactly? I mean, we already saw her in season twenty,
29:52
Speaker 3: like going to this stupid brunch apology with Cody and
29:56
Speaker 3: she's googling his eyes the entire time. She's totally fawning
30:00
Speaker 3: over him. She thinks that his apology was genuine and
30:03
Speaker 3: very healing for her, But did we hear him talk
30:06
Speaker 3: about the kids at all? And she even said in
30:09
Speaker 3: the season like, yeah, I should have asked about the kids,
30:12
Speaker 3: but I didn't even think about it.
30:13
Speaker 1: Well because I'm contractually obligated not toadyound by an NDA.
30:17
Speaker 3: Because it's verboten, you know. So it's like she's willing
30:20
Speaker 3: to do shit like that. It's it's just weird. It's
30:23
Speaker 3: just odd. I don't understand it. I can't relate. It
30:26
Speaker 3: makes me side eyed Janelle and her character a bit,
30:28
Speaker 3: because why aren't you mad at the right people? And
30:31
Speaker 3: if you are shifting the blame onto Robin instead of
30:34
Speaker 3: blaming Cody for it, that's lame too. I mean, Robin
30:38
Speaker 3: deserves her come up in so Robin deserves all of
30:40
Speaker 3: the anger from everybody else in this family too, because
30:44
Speaker 3: she is just as much of a part of it
30:46
Speaker 3: as anybody.
30:47
Speaker 1: Garrison's wound was a father's anged, it was an ancestor's wound.
30:52
Speaker 1: It's not a Robin wound exactly.
30:54
Speaker 3: I mean, she like contributed to it largely, but the
30:57
Speaker 3: wound definitely was created by Cody. Undred boo woo. That
31:03
Speaker 3: was a hard question, but very interesting. Let us know
31:07
Speaker 3: what you guys think. Do you think Robin or sorry,
31:09
Speaker 3: do you think that Janelle blames Robin for Garrison's passing?
31:12
Speaker 3: Do you think there's other reasons? Let us know your
31:14
Speaker 3: theories I know it's a little inappropriate.
31:16
Speaker 1: Too, but at the same time, I also want to say,
31:19
Speaker 1: this is what they have presented on their television show.
31:21
Speaker 1: This is the content that they have given us, and
31:23
Speaker 1: we are talking about the content available to us. It's
31:25
Speaker 1: not that we're trying to be inappropriate. These are questions
31:28
Speaker 1: normal human beings have and we don't have to apologize
31:30
Speaker 1: for that.
31:31
Speaker 3: Well, and if anything, we're trying to navigate for Garrison,
31:33
Speaker 3: because is anybody else.
31:35
Speaker 1: Doing that in the family. I'm sure the kids are.
31:37
Speaker 1: I'm sure we just don't see them because they're not
31:40
Speaker 1: featured and platformed by TLC. Correct, right, Oh god, Beatrice.
31:45
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31:47
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31:49
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