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"Filibuster; Past it's Time?" (Friday October 31, 2025, Hour 1) · First Thing Today with Joe Thomas

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  Speaker 1: The first thing today on the Talk Media Network by
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  Speaker 1: Joe Thomas, the second most famous Thomas and Charlottesville.
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  Speaker 2: Conna be the rights the constitu shoes, what's it wor.
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  Speaker 3: You know they're going to grind us down us until
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  Speaker 3: he really dodger.
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  Speaker 2: Kevin Roberts from the Heritage Foundation is on with us.
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  Speaker 2: Down to Roberts, thank you for taking some time out
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  Speaker 2: with us. How are you doing, sir, Well, I'm doing well.
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  Speaker 2: It's wonderful to be with you, Joe.
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  Speaker 4: There are a lot of challenges in the country across
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  Speaker 4: the world, but there are also a lot of opportunities.
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  Speaker 4: Is I like to remind people and you know this, well,
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  Speaker 4: we're winning and we need to act like it.
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  Speaker 2: Well, and that's where I think a lot of this
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  Speaker 2: mania comes from. Is and I made this case yesterday.
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  Speaker 2: I'm curious your thought all this redistricting mania that I
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  Speaker 2: haven't seen since the Jim Crow days. I mean, you
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  Speaker 2: want to talk about Jim Crow two point zero. We're
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  Speaker 2: trying to district out entire swaths of a population from
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  Speaker 2: having any electoral voice.
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  Speaker 3: It all, really, I.
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  Speaker 2: Think ties to the power of the Turning Point USA movement,
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  Speaker 2: because I truly believe the American Marxists believe that if
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  Speaker 2: they don't gain power now, by the time these kids
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  Speaker 2: that are in all these Turning Point USA chapters get
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  Speaker 2: graduate and get out into the world, they could be
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  Speaker 2: facing seventy years of political irrelevancy in very quick order
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  Speaker 2: because of all these kids that are coming through Turning
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  Speaker 2: Point USA.
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  Speaker 4: I believe that's one hundred percent correct. At Heritage and
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  Speaker 4: especially at Heritage Action our campaign arm as you know,
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  Speaker 4: we do a lot of collaboration with her point. We
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  Speaker 4: always have where we're perhaps going to be doing more
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  Speaker 4: of that in the near future, but even beyond the
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  Speaker 4: election cycles where we might be doing some work with them,
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  Speaker 4: there's a.
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  Speaker 3: Larger point to be made. And you just made it
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  Speaker 3: really well, and.
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  Speaker 4: It's more social, it's more cultural, and that is that
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  Speaker 4: the left which has got this really weird but also
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  Speaker 4: tragic coalition going on between the neo Marxists like AOC
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  Speaker 4: with the radical Islamists like the soon to be mayor
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  Speaker 4: of New York, Mom Nani. That's something that is so
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  Speaker 4: radical that I would like to think there will never
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  Speaker 4: be a time that very Americans would adhere to that.
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  Speaker 4: And so they've got to attempt to impose their will
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  Speaker 4: from their thought on the left right now. But contrast
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  Speaker 4: that with the positive, ebulliant rally in Mississippi last night,
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  Speaker 4: that turning Point organized with Erica Kirk, Charlie's widow and
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  Speaker 4: Vice President J. D.
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  Speaker 3: Vance. This is something, you know, the.
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  Speaker 4: Tenor the tone of those rallies, in addition to their size,
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  Speaker 4: very impressive ten thousand people, is the center and tone
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  Speaker 4: are really optimistic. They're aspirational about the American future. And
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  Speaker 4: I think that scares the daylight out of the left
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  Speaker 4: because ultimately the political project of the left has only
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  Speaker 4: two things to it hate Donald Trump and divide the
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  Speaker 4: populace so that they can have power well.
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  Speaker 2: And that America in and of itself is a racist,
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  Speaker 2: inequitable society, I think is something that I can't even
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  Speaker 2: remember when I first noticed that that was their argument.
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  Speaker 2: I think it's the Ibram Kendie anti racist school curriculums
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  Speaker 2: here in Charlottesville, the riots of twenty seventeen, this idea.
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  Speaker 2: And what's funny is they'll talk about Thomas Jefferson being
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  Speaker 2: a racist, but then you'll look at the very people
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  Speaker 2: who wrote the Permanent Reapportionment Act of nineteen twenty nine,
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  Speaker 2: and they were actual members of the Klan in some
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  Speaker 2: cases because they were afraid that if they didn't cap
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  Speaker 2: the size of the House of Representatives, the black population
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  Speaker 2: and would continue to grow and continue to gain congressional
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  Speaker 2: power and weaken theirs. And and and yet we're told
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  Speaker 2: that Jefferson is the racist. I mean, that's where I
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  Speaker 2: really feel like I almost feel bad for the people
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  Speaker 2: who've been so gasplit into believing this stuff.
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  Speaker 4: No, it's true, and it offer just a sliver of
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  Speaker 4: optimism there. I'm still hopeful we operate with this this
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  Speaker 4: rationalet heritage, as you know that maybe there are still
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  Speaker 4: some people on the left, on the center left who
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  Speaker 4: are open to persuasion. Yeah, let's let's let's hope and pray,
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  Speaker 4: because the future of America would be good. But the
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  Speaker 4: point I wanted to make in response to your great
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  Speaker 4: observation there about the racism on the left is the
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  Speaker 4: irony that all of that revisionist history really accelerated at
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  Speaker 4: the exact same time that the country elected its first
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  Speaker 4: black president, Barack Obama.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think I think the tragedy.
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  Speaker 4: Of the presidency, and I mean it's respectfully toward him
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  Speaker 4: both personally and politically. The tragedy beyond really terrible policy,
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  Speaker 4: is that as the first black president, he did more
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  Speaker 4: to harm racial harmony in this country than he did
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  Speaker 4: to heal it.
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  Speaker 2: Doctor Kevin roberts On with us from the Heritage Foundation,
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  Speaker 2: where he is president, and please, almost almost more important
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  Speaker 2: than it's been since Russell Kirk and company, you know
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  Speaker 2: started Ed Felner. The Heritage Foundation more important now than
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  Speaker 2: almost ever before in its history. Where we meet today, Kevin, so,
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  Speaker 2: I appreciate your time. I have floated a theory on
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  Speaker 2: what's going on in the I mentioned earlier, the Permanent
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  Speaker 2: Reapportionment Act, you know, and if you go back to
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  Speaker 2: nineteen thirty, which is the census right after it was enacted,
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  Speaker 2: and you say, okay, the population was one hundred and
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  Speaker 2: twenty two million, then it's three hundred and forty million now.
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  Speaker 2: So even if you go back to that number, we
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  Speaker 2: would have three to almost three times as many congress
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  Speaker 2: people as we did then. The original draft of the
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  Speaker 2: Bill of Rights, the very first thing that George Mason
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  Speaker 2: thought would be the most important thing to protect Americans
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  Speaker 2: from an out of control central government was congressional districts.
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  Speaker 2: That didn't exceed fifty thousand people, which I know would
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  Speaker 2: mean six four hundred people in Congress. But I think
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  Speaker 2: that you would have a country that certainly wouldn't fall
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  Speaker 2: prey to this redistricting mania where we're watching people jerrymander
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  Speaker 2: districts in a fifty three forty seven state like Virginia
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  Speaker 2: into ten to one Democrat congress people.
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  Speaker 3: Is does that make.
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  Speaker 2: Any sense whatsoever? Or am I just a talk show
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  Speaker 2: host who may have had won too many cups of coffee.
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  Speaker 4: No, you make one hundred percent sense, which is no
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  Speaker 4: surprise to d Joe. In fact, my Heritage colleague Hans
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  Speaker 4: von Spacotti, who is one of the foremost election law experts,
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  Speaker 4: says that he's observed for years that your thesis is
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  Speaker 4: exactly correct.
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  Speaker 3: Let's just posit.
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  Speaker 4: That what the country decided to do with the Voting
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  Speaker 4: Rights Act in the mid nineteen sixties was in fair
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  Speaker 4: and important to correct what was indeed racial injustice. The
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  Speaker 4: time has come context for your question. The time has
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  Speaker 4: come to realize, as the Supreme Court is considering now,
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  Speaker 4: that that served its purpose. But even worse to the
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  Speaker 4: heart of your question, that law and others, particularly state
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  Speaker 4: laws and blue states are being used as a cudgel
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  Speaker 4: by the radical left to accrue more political power illegitimately.
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  Speaker 4: And so the good news, the silver lining and it's
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  Speaker 4: really legitimate and all of that, is that I think
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  Speaker 4: the Supreme Court is likely to at least partially overturn
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  Speaker 4: the Voting Rights Act soon. And then that gives us
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  Speaker 4: the opportunity on the political right not to do to
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  Speaker 4: the last what they have done to us, but instead
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  Speaker 4: to the great aspiration your question, to actually do the
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  Speaker 4: will of the people in every state, to be fair
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  Speaker 4: and certainly to have honest elections, but most of all
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  Speaker 4: socially and culturally, to come back to that point that
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  Speaker 4: we're no longer dividing Americans along racial and ethnic lines.
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  Speaker 3: That is in our past, and we need to recognize
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  Speaker 3: it well.
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  Speaker 2: And we have to make sure that we're not doing
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  Speaker 2: it for the spurious gains of some political parties, because
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  Speaker 2: that seems to be once behind a lot of this division.
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  Speaker 2: Kevin Roberts, doctor Kevin Roberts, president of the Heritage Foundation,
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  Speaker 2: sitting down with us, and you'll be able to download
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  Speaker 2: that as well. We're going to make that part of
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  Speaker 2: our daily Signal column. You can get all of my
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  Speaker 2: writings and musings at Daily Signal dot com as well
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  Speaker 2: and download as several pieces up there from this whole
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  Speaker 2: mess in Virginia and beyond over redistricting and politicians choosing
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  Speaker 2: their voters rather than the other way around. Here on
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  Speaker 2: the first things to first thing today.
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  Speaker 1: From the home of the First Amendment. First thing today.
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  Speaker 2: So what is the point of the filibuster? Four three
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  Speaker 2: four eight eight two four two one seven. The President
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  Speaker 2: has said, as many have said before, it's time to
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  Speaker 2: get rid of the filibuster. But what is the point
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  Speaker 2: of the filibuster? Is it the the defense as a republic,
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  Speaker 2: defense the right of the minority voice to have a say.
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  Speaker 2: But in this day, has it outlived its purpose? Let's
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  Speaker 2: go by to what Kevin Roberts and I were just
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  Speaker 2: talking about with the Voting Rights Act. Has the law
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  Speaker 2: and this opens up an abstract as well here on
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  Speaker 2: the program that tells you what went on, and tell
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  Speaker 2: you what we read in between the lines of what
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  Speaker 2: went on. But most importantly I want to hear about
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  Speaker 2: how it's impacting you where you're going on or whatever
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  Speaker 2: it is you're doing. But here's the question, has the
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  Speaker 2: filibuster outlived its usefulness in this day and age where
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  Speaker 2: nobody breaks rank with party until you get a Rand
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  Speaker 2: Paul or a John Fetterman.
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  Speaker 3: Right, what is the history of it?
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  Speaker 2: Maybe that's a better place to start, because if the
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  Speaker 2: president is calling for to end, he's certainly one of
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  Speaker 2: the most notable to ever do that right. Rule twenty
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  Speaker 2: two of the standing rules of the US Senate allows
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  Speaker 2: the Senate to vote to limit debate by invoking cloture
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  Speaker 2: on a pending question. In most cases, this requires a
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  Speaker 2: majority of three fifths of the senator's duly chosen that's
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  Speaker 2: sixty votes when there is no vacancies there. Even once
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  Speaker 2: cloture has been in vote, most cases, debate can continue
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  Speaker 2: for thirty more hours, and most major bills are subject
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  Speaker 2: to two or three filibusters before the Senate can vote
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  Speaker 2: on passage. Even bills supported by sixty or more Senators,
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  Speaker 2: as well as nominations, may therefore be delayed by a filibuster.
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  Speaker 2: Filibuster can also be conducted through delayed tactics, such as
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  Speaker 2: proposing amendments and making motions. But here's what you don't
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  Speaker 2: realize is the old Henry Fonda, mister Smith goes to
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  Speaker 2: Washington kind of filibuster is gone. They don't stand on it.
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  Speaker 2: Ted Cruz did one. I know that, Hakeem Jefferies did one,
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  Speaker 2: and you know, but that was in the House and
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  Speaker 2: it wasn't quite the same thing. But they don't do
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  Speaker 2: the filibuster the same. So there isn't a guy standing
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  Speaker 2: on the floor talking for thirty hours straight, holding up
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  Speaker 2: the motions on the floor. Because as soon as you
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  Speaker 2: yield the filibuster, then the votes can start. So maybe
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  Speaker 2: we need to first maybe make philibusters great again by
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  Speaker 2: forcing the people to actually stand on the floor of
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  Speaker 2: the Senate and talk until they can anymore. And if
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  Speaker 2: they leave the podium, the President pro Tempore or whoever
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  Speaker 2: is presiding over that Senate session can call the vote.
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  Speaker 3: You don't have to vote for cloture.
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  Speaker 2: The cloture votes have come because now they're doing filibusters
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  Speaker 2: by remote control. They're they're calling motions to order, and
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  Speaker 2: they're they're using all these parliamentary procedures. So maybe if
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  Speaker 2: we if instead of just getting rid of the filibuster,
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  Speaker 2: make philibuster work the way it was supposed to. It's
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  Speaker 2: a question for you. Let me see who we've got here.
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  Speaker 2: At four three four eight A two four two one seven.
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  Speaker 3: Good morning. Who's this?
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  Speaker 4: Hey?
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  Speaker 5: Good morning? Its Andy Harriet Today.
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  Speaker 2: Good Andy. Now you're Lloween? Happy Halloween. What are you
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  Speaker 2: dressed up as?
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  Speaker 5: I'm not, but I'm more of the or what is
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  Speaker 5: it All Saints Day?
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  Speaker 2: Which is sure yep, no, absolutely All Hallows Eve is
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  Speaker 2: supposed to lead into All Saints Day, and I thank
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  Speaker 2: you for reminding us of that. I'm I'm dressed does
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  Speaker 2: a radio talk show host? That's my costume for this morning.
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  Speaker 2: It's better than Arthur Dent. I used to go around
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  Speaker 2: trigger try heating with my kids dressed as Arthur Dent
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  Speaker 2: and Douglas Adams. Fans know that he's dressed in a
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  Speaker 2: bathrobe and a and a and his pajamas. So wandering
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  Speaker 2: around the neighborhood at night and a bathrobe in pajamas
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  Speaker 2: usually will get some member of law enforcement alerted to
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  Speaker 2: your presence. But anyway, what what brought to you the phone?
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  Speaker 2: What's what about this philipbuster? Should we go back to
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  Speaker 2: the way the filibuster used to be done?
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  Speaker 5: We should like send all this back to the States.
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  Speaker 5: And they've created, you know, all this stuff with way
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  Speaker 5: way too much centralized power. And Grand Paul is a
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  Speaker 5: hero of mine for sure. The dude in northern Kentucky
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  Speaker 5: who's in Congress right now, his first name is Tom,
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  Speaker 5: and I may move there just to be closer to him.
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  Speaker 5: That's where my grandm my grandfather actually lived his uh uh,
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  Speaker 5: his father in law had built a home for him,
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  Speaker 5: uh and my grandmother uh.
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  Speaker 3: And uh.
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  Speaker 5: That's the one where the tole factory was burned up
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  Speaker 5: once but twice. They still think the Rookwood Pottery built this.
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  Speaker 3: Uh this home.
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  Speaker 1: Uh.
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  Speaker 5: And it was really the yeah, Alhambra toile company.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 2: And by Tom, when you talk about Tom, you're talking
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  Speaker 2: about Thomas Massey.
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  Speaker 5: Absolutely, yeah, okay, And that says I E yep. He
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  Speaker 5: and Rampaul are two well they are the two living
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  Speaker 5: people up there that probably can be trusted so well
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  Speaker 5: and understand.
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  Speaker 2: And and there's some history of Tommy Massey as well.
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  Speaker 2: So you remember Virginia had a congressman named Tom Garrett.
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  Speaker 2: And every now and then I catch him listening to
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  Speaker 2: the program where he travels. Right now, they're worried about
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  Speaker 2: trying to block or you know, stop all the unconstitutional
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  Speaker 2: districting in Richmond. He's now a member of Virginia's House
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  Speaker 2: of Delegates. But when he was a congressman, he participated
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  Speaker 2: in a documentary called The Swamp with Tommy Massey. There's
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  Speaker 2: a couple of other Oh, Matt Gates was part of
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  Speaker 2: it as well, and they they did did their level
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  Speaker 2: g but they pulled the curtain back. One of the
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  Speaker 2: things they exposed was how these committees get populated. And
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  Speaker 2: ever since that film came out, all of them have
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  Speaker 2: been in the targets of the career. And I'm going
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  Speaker 2: to say Republican machine Tom Garrett was done in through
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  Speaker 2: a whisper campaign in the TMZ for Washington d C.
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  Speaker 3: Politico.
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  Speaker 2: Massy has been on the outs ever since Gates. He
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  Speaker 2: saw what happened to him. These guys they stood up
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  Speaker 2: and they got shut out.
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  Speaker 5: Right, And Gates is, yeah, he's a decent person too,
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  Speaker 5: And near as I can tell, I've not met him.
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  Speaker 5: But after the Emesis events, I had one of the
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  Speaker 5: bishop stopped buying looked at his house burn So he's
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  Speaker 5: looking at some things that I have in storage at
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  Speaker 5: a warehouse, and so but you know, I've sort of
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  Speaker 5: had some insights into some of these other things that
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  Speaker 5: are going on because they give advice to people. The
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  Speaker 5: founder of the Mesias Institute, exclude Rockwell. And at the
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  Speaker 5: end of the first time I was ever in Auburn, Alabama,
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  Speaker 5: has nothing to do with the anniversity there. He looked
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  Speaker 5: at me and he said, how did you find this?
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  Speaker 5: And I was like, I told him that I had
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  Speaker 5: met something in the livingstone. One of there was a
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  Speaker 5: magazine that had you know, free market thought in it,
• 17:52
  Speaker 5: and there was an article by Ron Paul Rand Paul's
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  Speaker 5: dad and it said for more information and see thesis
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  Speaker 5: dot orgon. So I went there and took the University
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  Speaker 5: of Virginia immediately out of my will and trust documents
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  Speaker 5: and told him that story across and he, you know,
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  Speaker 5: he's I mean, back then he was not totally crippled,
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  Speaker 5: but you know he was moving probably bad as well
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  Speaker 5: as I am now. And I said, he said, Blue Rockwell,
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  Speaker 5: I'm you know, the founder.
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  Speaker 3: Of the Messus Institute.
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  Speaker 5: And he said, thank you for sharing that.
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  Speaker 2: I've got a break coming up here, Andy. So I
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  Speaker 2: appreciate it, my friend, but you have a great more
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  Speaker 2: to keep.
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  Speaker 3: Doing what you're doing.
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  Speaker 4: Now.
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  Speaker 3: We're trying.
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  Speaker 5: It's well, I mean, it's crazy, what's going on and
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  Speaker 5: I am you know, anti war, you know, anti state.
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  Speaker 2: It's not crazy, it's evil.
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  Speaker 2: President says, time to end the filibuster, or should we
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: go back to what the philibuster originally was set to
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: do and start to remove because one of the things
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: even Alexander Hamilton was concerned in allowing procedural rules to
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: be set by simple majority, because then you wind up
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: with a one sea majority. And we see this in
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: Virginia's House. Uh, and I believe we see it. Somebody
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: told me that Kentucky's House does the same thing, where
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: the majority party can super pack subcommittees to block legislation
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  Speaker 2: from ever coming to the floor. Therefore, they're never asked
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: to vote on anything that they don't want to.
• 21:20
  Speaker 3: It's just dog and pony show.
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: One one Joel is hanging on the line with us
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  Speaker 2: this morning while you ruminate on whether or not filibuster
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: should just be ended or changed or made to be
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: what it was before the Civil War. Afterwards, people got
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: a little touchy about it. The Caucasians in the North
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: didn't want to be seen as stomping on the Southern rights,
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: so they allowed the South of Robert burden these folks
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  Speaker 2: to sort of run the show for a while. Just
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: don't get me mad at us again. Take all your
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: tax revenue with us. Good morty, Joel, what's going on
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  Speaker 2: with you, my friend?
• 21:57
  Speaker 6: Good morning, Joe. I would like to compare the filibuster
• 22:01
  Speaker 6: to I'm not saying all of them are bad, but
• 22:05
  Speaker 6: to like a bad labor union. Because you have obstruction
• 22:11
  Speaker 6: with the Senate, you have obstruction with labor unions. Now,
• 22:15
  Speaker 6: labor unions are set up to protect the worker used
• 22:20
  Speaker 6: to be, but most of them protect the work and
• 22:23
  Speaker 6: protect their job and proect protect their industry or whatever
• 22:28
  Speaker 6: they're doing. But for the as far as for the Senate,
• 22:34
  Speaker 6: they're already protected. They're getting paid. Congress is getting paid,
• 22:38
  Speaker 6: the Senate's getting paid. And these other people that are
• 22:42
  Speaker 6: in labor unions, like the air traffic controllers and then
• 22:47
  Speaker 6: not necessarily military, they're not really in a union as
• 22:51
  Speaker 6: far as say, a labor union, but they're in their
• 22:54
  Speaker 6: own classification under I guess parts of Department of War
• 22:58
  Speaker 6: and then coast guards under on land Security. But it's
• 23:02
  Speaker 6: just it's it's a it's not an equal playing ground
• 23:05
  Speaker 6: because who gets affected with the filibuster. America's people will
• 23:11
  Speaker 6: be the people and a lot of times the labor
• 23:14
  Speaker 6: unions that can affect we the people too. And in
• 23:18
  Speaker 6: this case with the air traffic controllers, they're not necessarily
• 23:21
  Speaker 6: they can't really strike. They have clauses they can't strike,
• 23:25
  Speaker 6: you know, in order to protect America. But yet the
• 23:29
  Speaker 6: Senate and Congress aren't really I mean, I'm not saying
• 23:34
  Speaker 6: the Republicans aren't doing what they're supposed to do, but
• 23:37
  Speaker 6: that's lit.
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  Speaker 3: Some of them are nothing. Isn't that absolute?
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: Right? Right?
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  Speaker 6: Five of them or whatever didn't or ram Paul and
• 23:48
  Speaker 6: then the other I'm sure mckowski and.
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: Well, you know, Rand Paul is the only one that's
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: got the bon of fides is a free marketer, you
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: know the other ones, you know, I mean Mitch McConnell
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: really with his wife whose daughter of the one of
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: the biggest shipping magnets in China. Yeah, free market, sure.
• 24:07
  Speaker 6: But how do you feel in that comparison? What's your
• 24:11
  Speaker 6: Because you have the tools of the minority to delay
• 24:14
  Speaker 6: or block the accent of the majority, right.
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: Well, and I dig a little further when we come
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: back from the news, we'll dig a little bit further
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: into you know, how the filibuster got busted.
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: But one of the first things is.
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: That the filibuster was a rule for the representatives of
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: the several states to say whoa nelly to the passions
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: of a much more volatile house, the House of Representatives,
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: which was re elected every two years, and was they
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: were given control of the budget because they were the
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: ones directly elected by the by the people. But the
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: Senate was supposed to look out for the needs of
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: the states because the states were the ones that we're
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: fitting the bill for the budgets that the House was passing.
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: And this gave so the parliamentary procedure. Oh well, it's
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: just how we choose senators. No, it's bigger than that.
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: It's what the senator's job is. And the senator is
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: just a super congressman. He's a congressman who doesn't have
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: to worry about getting reelected for four or five years
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: in between each election cycles, so they can, you know,
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: reign with a certain amount of impunity and not really
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: consider their state's situation. Do you think Mark Warner or
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: Tim Kaine to pick our home state cares what Glenn
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: Youngkin wants to do.
• 25:38
  Speaker 5: No.
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: Half the time they're on x or TikTok complaining about
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: Governor Youngkin, and so they're not looking out for the
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: state because they've become super congressmen. So let's broke break
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: number one. But your point about the labor unions is
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: apt because it's just like Eric Hoffer, the philosopher pointed out,
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: you know, a movement arts because there's a need, there's
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: a need in the community for let's just say, a
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: labor union or a filibuster. Then it starts to become
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: a business. You start to figure out how to make
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: money doing it, and that goes on, and then the
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: people who make money doing it start to say, well,
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: how can I force it to make me more money?
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: And that's when it becomes a racket. That's when you
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: k Street becomes powerful and things like that. And I
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: think filibuster has become the same way. I was just
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: you know, going through some of the history, and you
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: know there's Robert Byrd again, Joe Biden presiding over his
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: funeral funeral, his white sheets folded neatly into his coffin,
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: with him, you know, was one of the leaders that
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: brought on our modern filibuster system where the Senate needs
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: unanimous consent to set aside a measure, and then you know,
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: you can call a filibuster on almost anything. And they
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: even historians say, since the two track system is what
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: they call it in the Senate went into a fact
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: in the early seventies, we've watched filibuster become generally just
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: what stops any legislation from ever getting discussed or voted
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: on in the US Senate. Sometimes it's for their protection,
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: sometimes it isn't.
• 27:22
  Speaker 6: Yeah, you can read the whole book of one of
• 27:25
  Speaker 6: the Doctor Seuss books, or go on the air for
• 27:27
  Speaker 6: twenty four on their.
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: Twenty people have done it. Yeah. Absolutely, Thank you, Joel,
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  Speaker 3: You have a great morning.
• 27:36
  Speaker 6: Thanks you too, Jim