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Jeff Legwold joins Moser, Lombardi and Kane on NFL DRAFT DAY (4-24-25) · Jeff Legwold ESPN Broncos Reports

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  Speaker 3: Leggy, We've made it.
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  Speaker 2: We finally made it. And I don't need to ask
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  Speaker 2: you about your top one hundred because I have it
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  Speaker 2: on my laptop already. The tab is going to be
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  Speaker 2: permanently open until the end of this draft. But some
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  Speaker 2: news this morning from Adam Schefter, and I've heard everything
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  Speaker 2: with the Broncos seem to be the one team like.
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  Speaker 4: We might move up, we might move down, we might
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  Speaker 4: stay here. Who knows.
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  Speaker 2: But Schefter said they've been receiving calls from teams about
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  Speaker 2: their spot at number twenty. My assumption is because teams
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  Speaker 2: want to jump ahead of the Steelers in case Shador
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  Speaker 2: Sanders is still on the table.
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  Speaker 3: Is that the right read, I would think?
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  Speaker 5: So, I think you talk about people thinking the Broncos
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  Speaker 5: might do anything.
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  Speaker 3: I've talked to.
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  Speaker 5: An awful lot of folks who have no you know,
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  Speaker 5: they're guessing what the Steelers might do. Now, you know,
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  Speaker 5: there are plenty of people in the league who think, ah,
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  Speaker 5: they'll go another direction from a quarterback. But if you
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  Speaker 5: need a quarterback and you're at the top of the
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  Speaker 5: second round, that is the sweet spot for everybody who
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  Speaker 5: isn't named cam Ward. So you know, I think the
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  Speaker 5: Broncos will be very popular if only one quarterback's off
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  Speaker 5: the board and we're down to pick and we're past
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  Speaker 5: the Saints, yeah, you know, you get past the Raiders,
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  Speaker 5: you get past the Saints, and if Ward's the only
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  Speaker 5: quarterback off the board, I think the Broncos could almost
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  Speaker 5: name a price at that point and be in position
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  Speaker 5: because they're like the last hope if you're going to
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  Speaker 5: get in front of the Steelers.
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  Speaker 3: So obviously anybody can make the deal at there.
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  Speaker 5: But in this draft, if I could get another two
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  Speaker 5: and I'm the Broncos and I can make a deal
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  Speaker 5: that gets me another second rounder, and I'm looking at
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  Speaker 5: my board and I only have one or two guys
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  Speaker 5: left with first round grades as my pick is approaching,
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  Speaker 5: I'd make a deal in a heartbeat.
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  Speaker 4: Jeff, we talked about this though. If the Raiders stay, well,
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  Speaker 4: they're gonna stay at six. Let's say they get Ashton
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  Speaker 4: Gent and then they're looking at the Broncos at twenty.
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  Speaker 4: I said to Brett, I said, if I'm the Raiders,
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  Speaker 4: I call Tampa at nineteen and say, what's it gonna take?
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  Speaker 4: Because the price of doing business inside the division to
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  Speaker 4: get to that twenty spot is what.
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  Speaker 5: Well most I mean just sometimes people are just uncomfortable
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  Speaker 5: doing business in their own division just because it's there's
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  Speaker 5: history there and all of that. I will say, Uh,
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  Speaker 5: the Raiders New GM was with the Broncos for some time,
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  Speaker 5: so you know, spy tech is uh, you know, that's
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  Speaker 5: probably another story for another d another day. But there
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  Speaker 5: are so many ex Broncos scouts and personnel guys who
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  Speaker 5: are gms now. But anyway, but you know, he is
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  Speaker 5: a former Bronco personnel guy, so I think that his
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  Speaker 5: ability to make a deal would be easier than somebody else.
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  Speaker 5: But yeah, a lot of people don't like doing business
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  Speaker 5: in the division because you have to live with it,
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  Speaker 5: you know, every every week of every season.
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  Speaker 4: As the Giants.
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  Speaker 5: That kind of soured everybody on the old do the
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  Speaker 5: business in the division thing for for a little bit.
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  Speaker 6: We all got your top one hundred, Jeff. Always fun
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  Speaker 6: to watch how it works out. What kind of feedback
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  Speaker 6: have you gotten when you when you issue your top hundred?
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  Speaker 6: Do you hear from GM's another personnel in the league.
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  Speaker 6: Do they disagree with you? Do they offer any feedback?
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  Speaker 3: Everybody disagrees with everybody in the draft.
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  Speaker 5: That's the beauty of it, you know, it's it's what
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  Speaker 5: kind of flavor of ice cream do you like?
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  Speaker 4: You know?
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  Speaker 5: Basically, Uh, I always I've always said, the funniest feedback
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  Speaker 5: I get.
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  Speaker 3: Is who the hell are you? And uh, you know.
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  Speaker 5: The quarterbacks a low Yeah, how can you rank the
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  Speaker 5: quarterbacks because people refuse to accept that the the boards
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  Speaker 5: in the league look a lot different than how the
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  Speaker 5: quarterbacks go on draft day.
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  Speaker 3: And it's always been a fact.
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  Speaker 5: And the late Floyd Reese was the GM of the
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  Speaker 5: Titans for a long time, and we we would talk
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  Speaker 5: about the draft a great deal, and he actually let
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  Speaker 5: me see them construct their board a few times, and
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  Speaker 5: that's when I learned some important lessons in nineteen ninety
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  Speaker 5: whatever about how boards are really constructed and how it
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  Speaker 5: really looks.
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  Speaker 2: Leggie, you're I can say this now it's not top secret.
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  Speaker 2: Your number one player is Travis Hunter, who Yeah, well
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  Speaker 2: that's that's obvious. I mean, he's amazing.
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  Speaker 3: We all know it was.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, how far back would you have to go? Like
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  Speaker 2: if you did maybe an all decade top one hundred list,
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  Speaker 2: how far back would you have to go? Or what
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  Speaker 2: player would you have to go to to put somebody
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  Speaker 2: ahead of him?
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  Speaker 3: You know? At one?
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  Speaker 5: I don't you know, like a guy like Burrow or
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  Speaker 5: somebody quarterback, a franchise quarterback in the one spot, it
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  Speaker 5: is a pretty that's the highest grade of highest grades
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  Speaker 5: probably anywhere. But as a corner, he's the most gifted
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  Speaker 5: player I've seen since Champ came out of Georgia.
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  Speaker 4: You know, I.
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  Speaker 5: Covered four Champs games this last year at Georgia, and
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  Speaker 5: I hadn't seen anything like Champ in college his last
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  Speaker 5: year of college, until I saw Travis.
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  Speaker 6: How the hell are they gonna squeeze two hundred and
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  Speaker 6: fifty thousand draft nick NFL people who want to enjoy
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  Speaker 6: tonight into a city of one hundred and five thousand.
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  Speaker 6: There will be more than double the amount of people
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  Speaker 6: visiting Green Bay tonight. Where's everybody sleeping?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know.
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  Speaker 5: Is that two fifty for the weekend or two fifty
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  Speaker 5: for Tonight's way?
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  Speaker 6: They need a place to sleep?
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  Speaker 5: Oh no, And you know, having driven from Appleton because
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  Speaker 5: that's the only hotel I could find, or even Milwaukee
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  Speaker 5: a few times, I do find it intriguing, but there
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  Speaker 5: there is no place like it in the NFL. And
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  Speaker 5: and they've done so much work to make the stadium
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  Speaker 5: and everything just be You know, that's as good an
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  Speaker 5: NFL franchise as there is anywhere, and it's in Green Bay, Wisconsin.
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  Speaker 5: But it doesn't happen if they don't share the money
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  Speaker 5: in the NFL. So I think it is one of
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  Speaker 5: the one of the cool byproducts of shared revenue, even
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  Speaker 5: though owners don't always like it.
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  Speaker 4: I think I read what a.
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  Speaker 3: Scene that will be.
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  Speaker 4: I think I read that's one hundred billion dollars boost
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  Speaker 4: to the economy in Green Bay, which is absolutely amazing.
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  Speaker 4: So people are going to be spending their cashing back
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  Speaker 4: to the Broncos real quick. I have a hard time
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  Speaker 4: deciphering exactly when all this talk about they can go back,
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  Speaker 4: they can move up, blah blah blah. I have a
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  Speaker 4: hard time deciphering exactly what it is they want with
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  Speaker 4: that first pick, or if they have their eyes set
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  Speaker 4: on a guy. Because if you want to trade up, boy,
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  Speaker 4: you can get a dang good white out. If you
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  Speaker 4: want to trade back, you're still gonna get a good
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  Speaker 4: running back. If you want to hang tough at twenty,
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  Speaker 4: one of those killer tackles is going to drop to you.
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  Speaker 4: That could be a franchise tackle. So it just seems
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  Speaker 4: I don't know that it's been more unpredictable for me
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  Speaker 4: in a long time.
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  Speaker 3: Well, it's because this is an odd year in the draft.
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  Speaker 3: I'm here to tell you.
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  Speaker 5: I'm I'm not sure I've ever seen a first round
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  Speaker 5: like this. This is a very thin first round, and
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  Speaker 5: the Broncos at twenty are right on the edge of that.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, there's a very real chance if the board
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  Speaker 5: falls a certain way that pick eighteen is up on
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  Speaker 5: the board and the Broncos aren't even clock yet and
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  Speaker 5: they don't have any players with first round grades left
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  Speaker 5: on their board.
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  Speaker 3: That is a scenario that could happen for them.
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  Speaker 5: I believe they have between eighteen and twenty first round
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  Speaker 5: grades somewhere in there, but there is a scenario where
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  Speaker 5: their pick rolls around and yeah, you can take a
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  Speaker 5: player and get a good high second round grade and
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  Speaker 5: a guy who starts a long time and nobody cares
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  Speaker 5: where he was graded, obviously, but it's just the dynamic
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  Speaker 5: of this first round. This draft is really really good
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  Speaker 5: rounds two through five, but the first round is really
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  Speaker 5: thin this year and that's probably nil and we're at
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  Speaker 5: the end of the extra COVID seasons, so this is
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  Speaker 5: kind of a funky year in the first round.
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  Speaker 3: And that's why the twentieth.
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  Speaker 5: Pick feels sort of like you know, on a seesaw,
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  Speaker 5: what are they gonna do? Because you know they might
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  Speaker 5: have to move up to go get they're a first
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  Speaker 5: round graded player. I personally think they would move up
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  Speaker 5: for one of the tight ends if it was close
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  Speaker 5: enough to make the move. Or if you know, in
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  Speaker 5: the one in a billion scenario that genty somehow gets
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  Speaker 5: past ten. You know, then I'm suddenly interested if I'm
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  Speaker 5: the Broncos.
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  Speaker 6: So based on your work, you're telling us that the
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  Speaker 6: number twenty overall pick is essentially a second round draft choice.
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  Speaker 6: If that's the case, then move back get some more
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  Speaker 6: draft choice.
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  Speaker 5: It may not, Beck, I'm just saying that, you know,
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  Speaker 5: not every team has the same twenty players ranked as
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  Speaker 5: first round graded players, or the same fifteen. I'm just
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  Speaker 5: saying there is a scenario where if if the board
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  Speaker 5: falls how they had players graded, they may have a
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  Speaker 5: very short list.
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  Speaker 3: And then in that case, you do try to move
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  Speaker 3: back or.
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  Speaker 5: You take the absolute highest graded player you have on
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  Speaker 5: your board at that moment, because it's probably pretty close
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  Speaker 5: to the twentieth pick.
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  Speaker 2: Where did you in your top one hundred? What's your
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  Speaker 2: cutof for first round grades?
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  Speaker 3: Eighteen? Cam Ward was my last first round grade.
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  Speaker 2: So the top second round grade is McMillan out of Arizona.
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  Speaker 5: Got you, Yeah, And those grades are roughly the same,
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  Speaker 5: you know, nineteen through twenty six, twenty nine.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, nineteen through forty really is really close.
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  Speaker 2: If you had to handicap this. Let's say they stay
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  Speaker 2: at twenty. I give you offensive skill position talent, wide receiver,
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  Speaker 2: running back, tight end, or the field. Which do you take?
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  Speaker 5: And I'm just going strictly by what I think the
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  Speaker 5: strength of the board will be at that point. Like,
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  Speaker 5: I think both tight ends will probably be gone, So
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  Speaker 5: strength of the board will be wide receiver, defensive tackle
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  Speaker 5: or defensive front seven uh or field. You know that
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  Speaker 5: that's gonna be the strength of your board at that point, gotcha.
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  Speaker 4: I just it's it's very interesting. I mean, like you said, Jeff,
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  Speaker 4: because the first round is so thin, do you anticipate
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  Speaker 4: more movement than than typically we'd see in the first
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  Speaker 4: round of an NFL draft?
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  Speaker 5: You know, I always want to say that, Mege, but
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  Speaker 5: it's it's always easier for us to talk about it
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  Speaker 5: this morning than it is for them to really move tonight.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, but like you said, but like you say, you know,
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  Speaker 4: this guy may be a second round grade for most teams,
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  Speaker 4: but one team and that one GM and coach goes, Oh,
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  Speaker 4: I love that guy.
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  Speaker 3: You know they got they've.
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  Speaker 4: Got him way ahead of everybody else. I mean, let's
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  Speaker 4: take the prime example, Patrick Mahomes at number ten. Kansas
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  Speaker 4: City's like, we love l u V love this guy,
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  Speaker 4: and they say we're gonna go get him, when other
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  Speaker 4: team's like, eh, we don't grade him that high out
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  Speaker 4: of Texas Tech, nobut that well.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, that could happen, right always, it only takes
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  Speaker 5: one you know, you only need one person in love
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  Speaker 5: to make that happen. You know, again, this is a
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  Speaker 5: weird board because it's a thin first round and there's
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  Speaker 5: no real consensus QB two for people in the league,
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  Speaker 5: and that you put those two things together, that's why
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  Speaker 5: it feels so quirky and uncertain. I mean last year
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  Speaker 5: was like, you know, people couldn't wait to take all
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  Speaker 5: the quarterbacks on the board. This year, it's like everybody's
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  Speaker 5: trying to avoid it on purpose.
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  Speaker 3: You know. It's just a funky, a funky thing.
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  Speaker 5: But I firmly believe, you know, I have a hard
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  Speaker 5: time believe, and it's a one quarterback first round.
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  Speaker 3: I just I've seen too many years when it isn't.
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  Speaker 2: Well, that's the last thing when I ask I'll let
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  Speaker 2: you go and always appreciate your time. Is one thing
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  Speaker 2: I know about Vegas is they don't like losing money.
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  Speaker 2: And I saw a shift the course of a week.
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  Speaker 2: Does it anybody, well, Vegas especially, I think Steve Bohmer does. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: Steve Bohmer doesn't care. You told us that earlier. The
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  Speaker 2: odds so they have this.
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  Speaker 3: Thing where the Phoenix Suns don't care either. But that's.
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  Speaker 2: Uh, There's there's a thing that they do, which is
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  Speaker 2: they take a specific player, they give them an over
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  Speaker 2: and over under of overall draft selection. Right a week ago,
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  Speaker 2: Shadoor Sanders over under was eleven and a half. Now
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  Speaker 2: it's twenty one and a half.
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  Speaker 4: What happened.
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  Speaker 5: Well, they they're digging for information, just like everybody else is,
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  Speaker 5: you know, and uh, they've obviously heard some things or
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  Speaker 5: they're they're actuarial people have heard some things that adjust
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  Speaker 5: the number some of it and we you know, we
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  Speaker 5: all don't talk about this enough. Sometimes they don't care
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  Speaker 5: about information. They're just looking to split the money down
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  Speaker 5: the middle. So if if the betters have responded that way,
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  Speaker 5: they're gonna move the number. Whether they believe it or not.
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  Speaker 5: You know, it's not. You know, I tell people all
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  Speaker 5: the time, they're not They're not saying who they think
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  Speaker 5: is gonna win every week. They're saying what's the number
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  Speaker 5: that splits the money, and and that's always what they're
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  Speaker 5: going for.
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  Speaker 4: And how many how many teams are playing coy on Shudur?
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  Speaker 4: Maybe you have five teams that really like him and
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  Speaker 4: somebody may jump to eleven, right, I mean, on that subject,
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  Speaker 4: a lot of coin is going on.
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  Speaker 5: You can't listen to the you know, I tell people
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  Speaker 5: all the time, you got to be careful with the
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  Speaker 5: one anonymous scout quote, because I can find a scout
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  Speaker 5: to say they don't like puppies and rainbows.
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  Speaker 3: I mean it.
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  Speaker 5: You can find a scout who doesn't like a player,
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  Speaker 5: no matter who the player is. I mean, I have
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  Speaker 5: I can go back in my binder. I can pull
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  Speaker 5: down my nineteen ninety nine binder and read you criticisms
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  Speaker 5: of Peyton Manning. And you know, you can find a
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  Speaker 5: personnel person to criticize any player. So I I a
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  Speaker 5: don't run a lot of those because I don't believe
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  Speaker 5: in that.
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  Speaker 3: I think that's a disservice to the kid journalistically.
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  Speaker 5: Journalistically, that's a disservice to in my opinion, to the kid.
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  Speaker 4: But about that, I think it's crap.
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  Speaker 6: I think I think it's care About that, I think
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  Speaker 6: I think you're delving. You're sitting when you when you
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  Speaker 6: change the credibility of the character of a player and
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  Speaker 6: you do it three days before the draft, what do
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  Speaker 6: we do?
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  Speaker 5: And you know, my feeling is you're kind of outing
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  Speaker 5: yourself as a draft coverage of the draft person that
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  Speaker 5: you're saying. I don't talk to enough people to know
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  Speaker 5: that I can find one or two to criticize any
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  Speaker 5: player that's been on any board in the history of
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  Speaker 5: the draft.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, this is my fortieth and I've heard.
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  Speaker 5: Criticisms of every single player who has a gold jacket
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  Speaker 5: right now of you know, over that course of that time.
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  Speaker 3: So anyway, and I know you didn't need all that,
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  Speaker 3: but that's just.
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  Speaker 2: No I appreciate it. It's it's very real housewivy like that
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  Speaker 2: sort of like gossip y tabloid feel to do that
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  Speaker 2: right before the draft.
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  Speaker 5: And look, if if you're going to pay people in
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  Speaker 5: the business for clicks, you're going to get that kind
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  Speaker 5: of stuff.
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  Speaker 3: And that's that's and some.
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  Speaker 5: Some outlets pay for pay for clicks, mind does not.
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  Speaker 5: But you know some people base their their payment on
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  Speaker 5: how much action the story got. So anyway, but so
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  Speaker 5: as a you know, I guess I would tell folks,
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  Speaker 5: if you consume draft content, just know that I could
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  Speaker 5: find a scout or a personnel guide to criticize any
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  Speaker 5: any player of any draft and in the history of.
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  Speaker 6: When you need criticism of a fellow medium, and especially
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  Speaker 6: on the show, can you call me and let me
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  Speaker 6: provide those anonymous quotes?
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  Speaker 3: Please? You want to be the AnonymOS guy. You would
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  Speaker 3: be an effective.
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  Speaker 5: You would be a popular source in the lease, in
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  Speaker 5: the media draft build up.
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  Speaker 3: Ease, let me yea.
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  Speaker 5: I would look forward to my scouting report.
• 18:18
  Speaker 4: Yes, did he say fortieth season?
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: Fortieth?
• 18:21
  Speaker 4: Yeah?
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  Speaker 3: Good lord almighty.
• 18:25
  Speaker 5: Actually it's a little more. I stacked my first draft.
• 18:31
  Speaker 3: So I love it like that.
• 18:33
  Speaker 4: We we this is why we love to have you on,
• 18:36
  Speaker 4: because you're so good at what you do and we
• 18:38
  Speaker 4: appreciate your time. I'm I'm looking forward to this, man.
• 18:41
  Speaker 4: I'm gonna be one eye on the draft, one eye
• 18:44
  Speaker 4: on the nuggets. You know, complete, complete, best scenario going
• 18:47
  Speaker 4: on tonight. But look at you. You finally get a
• 18:50
  Speaker 4: day off at some point. When's that.
• 18:53
  Speaker 5: Now that OTAs rookie mini camps, you know, like the
• 18:57
  Speaker 5: week after the draft.
• 18:58
  Speaker 4: So good Lord.
• 19:00
  Speaker 3: In the twenty twenty five season, you.
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: Said, as we let you go, Leg, you said one
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: thing that I'm going to use as a euphemism for pants.
• 19:06
  Speaker 6: Now.
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: You said, I will pull down my nineteen ninety nine binder.
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna start calling my pants nineteen ninety nine binders.
• 19:12
  Speaker 5: I got, I go. I'm probably wearing pants from nineteen ninety.
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: Nine, like you're the best, always appreciate the inside body.
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: Thank you.
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: That is Jeff like Welt ESPN dot com. Go check
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: out his top one hundred.
• 19:25
  Speaker 4: Use it like I do.
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: I go through the draft and I look at a
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: name that's drafted, and I see where it's at on
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: the top one hundred. It's it's my draft bible, as
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: I use every single year.
• 19:34
  Speaker 6: My prediction.
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: Oh but for prediction the sorry just quickly. All conversations
• 19:38
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• 19:43
  Speaker 2: job and with the career.
• 19:44
  Speaker 4: Go ah.
• 19:44
  Speaker 6: I believe the Broncos will be tempted to move up.
• 19:47
  Speaker 6: They will be tempted, and that temptation will be lost tonight.
• 19:51
  Speaker 6: They will move back in the draft.
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: I believe that's what they'll do.
• 19:54
  Speaker 6: I think twenty will be given to another team and
• 19:57
  Speaker 6: they'll pick up some more resources.
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: So you think she will be on the table, Not necessarily.
• 20:02
  Speaker 6: I just think number twenty, if given the opportunity to
• 20:06
  Speaker 6: move back, they will.
• 20:07
  Speaker 4: Should have saved that for about thirty minutes from now.
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: Why what's it?
• 20:11
  Speaker 6: D'll say it again.
• 20:11
  Speaker 4: Would have been much more impactful than
• 20:13
  Speaker 6: When I do it thirty minutes from now, I'll do
• 20:15
  Speaker 6: it with a more impactful tone.