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THE "NEW DIDDIES" ALEXANDER BROTHERS CONVICTED ON MULTIPLE SEX ASSAULT CHARGES, DEMAND SENTENCING DATE BE POSTPONED · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
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  Speaker 2: What do the so called New Ditties, the Alexander brothers
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  Speaker 2: convicted on multiple counts of sex trafficking, drugging women and
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  Speaker 2: raping them, What do they have in common with the
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  Speaker 2: so called health care assassin Luigi Mangioni. One thing, Mark Agnifilo,
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  Speaker 2: the defense attorney that represented Sean P. Diddy Combs. And
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  Speaker 2: at this hour they're all fighting over Agnifilo. Wow, I'm
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  Speaker 2: Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. I want to thank
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  Speaker 2: you for being with us. Three months after the infamous
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  Speaker 2: real estate moguls, the so called New Didties, A Lawn
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  Speaker 2: Alexander or In Alexander and Tal Alexander were convicted on
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  Speaker 2: multiple federal accounts of sex trafficking. A judge has agreed
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  Speaker 2: to put they're sentencing off. Why because their lawyer is
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  Speaker 2: Mark Agnifilo. And right now, Agnifilo, along with his other client,
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  Speaker 2: Luigi Mangioni, the so called healthcare assassin, is looking down
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  Speaker 2: the wrong end of a barrel of a trial date.
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  Speaker 2: That's right, Mangioni going to trial, So Agnifilo is left
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  Speaker 2: juggling clients. In an order filed by US District Court
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  Speaker 2: judge Valerie Caomproni. She agreed to push back the Alexander
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  Speaker 2: Brothers sentencing date, stating, quote, absent extraordinary cause, this date
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  Speaker 2: will not be extended further. I'm sure the victims want
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  Speaker 2: the sentencing done and done. They want it over. They're
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  Speaker 2: sick of this. It's like reopening a horrible wound every
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  Speaker 2: time they have to come to court. What happened in
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  Speaker 2: the case against the so called New Ditties.
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  Speaker 3: A trio I'm brother luxury real estate agents to the
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  Speaker 3: super rich, indicted on federal sex trafficking and battery charges.
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  Speaker 1: Claims go back more than a.
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  Speaker 2: Decade, claims going back more than a decade. Try two decades. Now,
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  Speaker 2: forty women that we know of the claiming these filled
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  Speaker 2: the rich real estate moguls took part in rape after
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  Speaker 2: rape after systematic rape, and that the allegations go back
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  Speaker 2: to when they were in high school.
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  Speaker 1: All that money, all.
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  Speaker 2: That privilege and education has bought them a one way
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  Speaker 2: ticket to hell with a pitstop and the federal penitentiary.
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  Speaker 1: That's my prediction.
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  Speaker 2: But I want you to hear what Damian Williams, the
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  Speaker 2: US attorney, has to say.
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  Speaker 4: The Alexander brothers and other men they planned the trips
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  Speaker 4: with paid for the flights or accommodations for the women
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  Speaker 4: on these trips, and at times the defendants handpicked the
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  Speaker 4: women to invite. Another time they use paid party promoters
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  Speaker 4: to source women for them.
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  Speaker 1: The indictment also.
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  Speaker 4: Alleges that in advance of these events, the Alexander brothers
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  Speaker 4: and others procured drugs that they agreed to provide to
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  Speaker 4: the women, including cocaine, mushrooms, and GHB as.
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  Speaker 1: We allege that these drugs cause some of.
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  Speaker 4: The women to be physically unable to fight back or
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  Speaker 4: to escape.
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  Speaker 2: Now you know why they're calling it the new ditty
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  Speaker 2: or should I say the new ditties?
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  Speaker 1: Now that's what the US.
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  Speaker 2: Attorney is saying for the US attorney for the Southern District.
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  Speaker 2: But I want you to look at Orrin Alexander on
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  Speaker 2: the founder.
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  Speaker 1: Having the ability to work with my brothers.
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  Speaker 3: Have a partner with your brother, now, just think about that.
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  Speaker 2: For defects.
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  Speaker 5: The biggest issue you have in partners shift is to
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  Speaker 5: trust and knowing that you don't have to worry.
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  Speaker 1: Honey, you got something to worry about.
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  Speaker 2: Now, what if your brother flips on you and testifies
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  Speaker 2: against you.
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  Speaker 1: Let's just analyze what we just and that's where our friends.
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  Speaker 2: That from the founder on YouTube, that's orin Alexander one
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  Speaker 2: of the and I mean.
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  Speaker 1: Filed the rich rolling in money.
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  Speaker 2: That's or in Alexander quote having the ability to work
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  Speaker 2: with my brother, to have a partner who's your brother.
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  Speaker 1: You know, just think about that for a second. Don't worry.
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  Speaker 1: I'm thinking about it.
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  Speaker 2: The biggest issue you have in partnership is trust and
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  Speaker 2: knowing you don't have to worry.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, what happened with me?
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  Speaker 2: An All Star panel, Let's get to it straight out
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  Speaker 2: to Christina Yo joining US national news anchor Salem News Channel. Christina,
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  Speaker 2: thank you for being with us. I'm really curious about
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  Speaker 2: how much money these two have. And this goes all
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  Speaker 2: the way back. Their family is wealthy, their grandfather wealthy,
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  Speaker 2: blah blah blah blah, kind of like Luigi MANNGIONI just
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  Speaker 2: all that money to silver spoons in the mouth.
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  Speaker 1: And yet this what happened, Christina.
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  Speaker 6: You know, actually I think it started way back when
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  Speaker 6: they were in high school. As people are now starting
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  Speaker 6: to come out and say that they actually had a
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  Speaker 6: sex fan that was parked in front of their parents
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  Speaker 6: forty million dollars beachfront of state where the boys, the
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  Speaker 6: brothers in high school, would take women to have sex.
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  Speaker 7: In that bus in front of their parents' house.
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  Speaker 6: So this has been behavior that has been encouraged, perhaps
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  Speaker 6: by their parents, all the way through. Then you add
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  Speaker 6: the hundreds of millions of dollars in properties that these
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  Speaker 6: brothers have sold and the security business, and they're pretty
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  Speaker 6: much running around town doing anything that they want, including,
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  Speaker 6: according to prosecutors, drugging women raping women. Each brother has
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  Speaker 6: separately been accused of at least ten rapes, ten forcible
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  Speaker 6: rapes by women, and prosecutors are saying that.
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  Speaker 1: Hey, hey, Christina, Christina Ohio.
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  Speaker 2: Hold on, wait a minute, we were just looking at them.
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  Speaker 2: Karen Stark, why is it so hard for people to
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  Speaker 2: believe that super wealthy, college educated, great job guys can
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  Speaker 2: commit heinous crimes?
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  Speaker 1: That's what he posted on his own Facebook.
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  Speaker 8: Go ahead, well, I really believe, Nancy, when people see
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  Speaker 8: this outward of parents, they're dressed so well, they look
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  Speaker 8: so terrific that they buy that that they believe that
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  Speaker 8: that's what they really like, and they have no idea
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  Speaker 8: what's going on behind the scene. And actually the fact
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  Speaker 8: that he says he trusts his brother. I was thinking, yeah,
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  Speaker 8: they trust all of them trust each other in supporting
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  Speaker 8: the crimes that they committed, which made it even worse
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  Speaker 8: because they were encouraged.
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  Speaker 2: Nima Ramani is joining us high profile lawyer out of
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  Speaker 2: the California jurisdiction and for my purposes, former federal prosecutor,
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  Speaker 2: president of the West Coast Trial Lawyers and author of
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  Speaker 2: Harvard to hashtag.
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  Speaker 1: Nima, thank you for being with us.
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  Speaker 2: Many people not familiar with our world of crime would say.
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  Speaker 1: Hey, why do they have to rape women? With good looks?
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  Speaker 2: Of course they're not attractive to me. I think they
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  Speaker 2: look like Satan himself. But with good looks and all
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  Speaker 2: that money, they could get any woman they want, so
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  Speaker 2: why rape a woman? That kind of argument has actually
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  Speaker 2: worked on juries before Nima.
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  Speaker 7: It has.
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  Speaker 9: But Nancy, this isn't just having sex with women. We're
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  Speaker 9: talking about drug induced orgies right where multiple men, including
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  Speaker 9: the two brothers, are allegedly having sex with the same woman. So, yeah,
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  Speaker 9: women might want to have sex with a handsome, wealthy man,
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  Speaker 9: but not get in a situation where they're having an
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  Speaker 9: orgy and they are being violated by multiple men.
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  Speaker 1: Your speaking sense to me. Yes, I know that.
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  Speaker 2: That's my point, Nima, I'm like two steps beyond that.
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  Speaker 2: Of course, what you just said is right. What I'm
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  Speaker 2: saying is it would be.
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  Speaker 1: Argued to a jury. Just look at them.
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  Speaker 2: Why would they have to women with a pr person
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  Speaker 2: in other words, basically pimp for pimp for the brothers
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  Speaker 2: because they could get any woman they want. Therefore, ergo
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  Speaker 2: they're innocent.
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  Speaker 10: It's not just any woman, Nancy.
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  Speaker 9: They need new women every single night, and they want
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  Speaker 9: to do things to these women that a lot of
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  Speaker 9: women wouldn't consent to. Now, obviously this is a family show,
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  Speaker 9: so I'm not going to get into all that. But
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  Speaker 9: that's why they're using drugs like GHP to drug these
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  Speaker 9: women so they can't say no.
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  Speaker 10: That's what this is all about.
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  Speaker 5: And the tailor's old.
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  Speaker 9: As time doesn't matter if it's the Alexander Brothers, Diddy,
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  Speaker 9: I can see that.
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  Speaker 2: I'm clearly I think you and I have a communication
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  Speaker 2: problem because you're just basically saying everything that I say.
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  Speaker 2: I'm Lynn Shaw helped me out here founder executive director
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  Speaker 2: Lynn's Warriors, committed to ending sex attacks on children and women.
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  Speaker 2: Lynn Shaw, I'm trying to make the point that the
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  Speaker 2: argument will be made by the defense. I already know
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  Speaker 2: the facts is presented by the state. Everything that Ramani
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  Speaker 2: just said, I get it. I've read the indictment. Okay,
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  Speaker 2: the defense is going to argue at trial they don't
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  Speaker 2: need to rape women.
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  Speaker 1: They can get any woman they want. Therefore, this is consensual.
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  Speaker 2: That's bs It's argued in so many rape cases.
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  Speaker 11: I call them the Alexander Brothers crime family, and I
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  Speaker 11: call these dirty Ditty complicit wannabes. Listen, the egos are
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  Speaker 11: so big they're out of control. Again, this is the
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  Speaker 11: same story we heard with Ditty and others facing charges
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  Speaker 11: like this, that so many vulnerable girls and women.
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  Speaker 7: I'm going to throw in the girls again.
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  Speaker 11: I wish we could get down to were there any
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  Speaker 11: miners involved, But that will unfold at some point. They
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  Speaker 11: want to see and live this lifestyle. Many of these
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  Speaker 11: women were approached online complete strangers, and they said, we'll
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  Speaker 11: fly you out, we'll give you hotels, we'll give you parties,
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  Speaker 11: we'll give you clothes. And vulnerable people girls especially really
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  Speaker 11: want to experience this. I'm here to say if this
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  Speaker 11: case can help us educate the general public because we're
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  Speaker 11: hearing about all these you know, dirty ditty We're hearing
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  Speaker 11: about Tape brothers, We're hearing about Jeffrey Epstein, we're hearing
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  Speaker 11: about now these criminal Alexander brothers could if it could
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  Speaker 11: water down eventually.
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  Speaker 1: My hope is to everyday cases.
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  Speaker 11: That are happening, that nobody will ever hear those victims,
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  Speaker 11: see those victims, so we can educate everybody. When they
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  Speaker 11: offer you something like this, this lifestyle for free, they're
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  Speaker 11: going to fly you somewhere run in the other direction.
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  Speaker 11: This is again their powers, their money, their egos, their
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  Speaker 11: homes overtaking people's common sense. We have to do better
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  Speaker 11: educating the public, girls and women about all of this.
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  Speaker 2: Their family wealth has been estimated, correct me if I'm wrong,
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  Speaker 2: Christina Whyo joining me from Salemw's channel, over one hundred
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  Speaker 2: and fifteen million dollars.
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  Speaker 6: Correct, And I'm I'm sure that's even more than that is.
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  Speaker 6: The parents have offered to put up to one billion
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  Speaker 6: dollars to get their three boys.
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  Speaker 7: Out of prison out on bail.
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  Speaker 6: They've even offered to put them up in a second
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  Speaker 6: story apartment complex where they're jail time pre trial that
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  Speaker 6: has no beachfront that has no luxury. That's you know,
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  Speaker 6: guarded twenty four seven by.
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  Speaker 2: Guard wha wa wait waite White Christina, Wait, did you
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  Speaker 2: say the parents want to get them out of jail
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  Speaker 2: on a billion as in brother b brother billion dollar bail.
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  Speaker 1: And the jail is because they don't have.
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  Speaker 6: A beach, they won't have a lot of view, they
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  Speaker 6: won't have any orgies, and it won't be luxury. So
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  Speaker 6: that's what they're considering to be jail. And yes, up
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  Speaker 6: to one billion with a beat is what they're to
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  Speaker 6: put up to get their three sons out of prison.
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  Speaker 2: Bill Day, it's the ditties, It's the new ditties because
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  Speaker 2: all the money, the procuring the women, making other people
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  Speaker 2: be your hench person to bring women to you, to
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  Speaker 2: drug them and rap them.
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  Speaker 1: Those are the allegations that presumed innocent.
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  Speaker 2: But also is Luigi Mangioni all over again. Here is
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  Speaker 2: a rich brat kid whining about how US common people
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  Speaker 2: have to live with the healthcare industry while he's in
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  Speaker 2: a beach front Hawaii luxury high rise condo. His great
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  Speaker 2: grandparents and grandparents and broke their backs coming to this
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  Speaker 2: country and becoming millionaires, working up.
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  Speaker 1: From nothing nothing passing it down.
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  Speaker 2: So Luigi MANGIONI could whine in his luxury condo, these
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  Speaker 2: two same thing.
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  Speaker 1: Bill.
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  Speaker 12: Yeah, and in this case they've actually built their business,
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  Speaker 12: build their brand.
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  Speaker 5: They now feel omnipotent.
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  Speaker 12: I mean they have money, they're traveling with celebrities, they're
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  Speaker 12: flying on private jets.
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  Speaker 5: You know, they're selling these huge.
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  Speaker 12: Multi multimillion dollar properties that are getting headlines in all
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  Speaker 12: kinds of media, including their own real estate empire. So
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  Speaker 12: you know, these are the paper people. If I put
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  Speaker 12: a profile around the FBI profile, but I know enough
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  Speaker 12: of them to speak about how these people become it
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  Speaker 12: can become emboldened, emblazoned. It's both feeding the ego as
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  Speaker 12: well as also just their ability to control things. So
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  Speaker 12: they like to be able to control everything, whether it's
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  Speaker 12: the deal or people.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, what I got a superseding indictment that that's making
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  Speaker 2: Nima Ramani just clench because when you see the FEDS
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  Speaker 2: have a superseding indictment, this is for conspiracy to commit
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  Speaker 2: sex trafficking on these rich brats.
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  Speaker 1: That means, hey, we have one go at you, but
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  Speaker 1: we're not through.
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  Speaker 2: We're issuing a revised, a new and improved indictment with
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  Speaker 2: more charges it supersedes the previous indictment. Yeah, they may
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  Speaker 2: be rolling in money, but apparently the Feds don't care
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  Speaker 2: so exactly. Who are the so called real estate Bros.
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  Speaker 3: There are three Alexander brothers. Two of the brothers are
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  Speaker 3: twins Or and Alan, their older brother Tall, Tall and
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  Speaker 3: or In Alexander are known in the world of high
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  Speaker 3: priced real estate, having broken to a forty nine million
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  Speaker 3: dollar deal for their dad in twenty twelve and a
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  Speaker 3: two hundred and forty million dollar deal for a Manhattan
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  Speaker 3: condos sale in twenty nineteen, while Orn's twin brother Alan
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  Speaker 3: attended law school before joining the family's private security company
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  Speaker 3: Kin Security.
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  Speaker 1: Crime Stores with Nancy Grace.
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  Speaker 2: Well the so called New Ditties, the Alexander Bros. I've
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  Speaker 2: gotten another lucky break. Their lawyer, Sean Combs's lawyer, Mark Agniffolo,
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  Speaker 2: is also representing the healthcare assass in Luigi Mangioni. Mangioni
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  Speaker 2: is set to go to trial that takes precedence over
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  Speaker 2: a sentencing hearing. So the real Estate Bros aka the
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  Speaker 2: New Ditties are catching a break. They have more time
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  Speaker 2: to prepare for sentencing. They're whining and crying and begging
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  Speaker 2: to the judge. I hope the victims have been told
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  Speaker 2: about the sentencing delay. They need to be in court
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  Speaker 2: in force the day of sentencing. That said, what is
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  Speaker 2: the evidence against the so called new ditties?
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  Speaker 13: In a fifteen million dollar Upper east Side townhouse, the
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  Speaker 13: Alexander Twins Orin and Elon celebrate their twenty eighth birthday.
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  Speaker 13: Celebrants are greeted by a nearly naked woman on display
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  Speaker 13: as a toy for the rich and famous to play
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  Speaker 13: with as they take turns dripping hot wax on the
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  Speaker 13: woman setting the tone for the decade, a night that
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  Speaker 13: awaits those who are rich enough and or familymous enough
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  Speaker 13: to be invited to the Alexander twins birthday Pash.
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  Speaker 1: What am I hearing? Wait a minute.
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  Speaker 2: A fifty million dollar Upper east Side townhouse, the real
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  Speaker 2: estate Bros celebrate their twenty eighth birthday. Celebrates greeted by
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  Speaker 2: a nearly naked woman on display as a toy for
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  Speaker 2: the rich and famous to play with as they take
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  Speaker 2: turns dripping hot wax on her.
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  Speaker 1: Deja vous? Huh does this remind you of anything?
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  Speaker 5: Hi?
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  Speaker 1: Diddy?
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  Speaker 2: There you are nothing like eating sushi off a naked
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  Speaker 2: lady on display for the rich and famous. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: it's like an echo chamber in here. Well, guess what
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  Speaker 2: the Feds apparently in this case anyway, don't care how
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  Speaker 2: rich you are, whether you're eating sushi off a naked
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  Speaker 2: lady at a luxury party or you have her on
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  Speaker 2: display so rich people can drip wax on her. Listen
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  Speaker 2: to the US Attorney for the Southern District, Omni.
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  Speaker 4: Or the Alexander Brothers, sometimes acting alone, sometimes with each other,
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  Speaker 4: and sometimes with other men.
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  Speaker 1: Forcibly raped and assaulted the women.
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  Speaker 4: As the indictment alleges that Alexander Brothers sex trafficking agreement
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  Speaker 4: went beyond the planned trips and events. On numerous occasions,
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  Speaker 4: one or more of the defendants drugged and raped or
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  Speaker 4: sexually assaulted women they encountered by chance at bars, at nightclubs,
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  Speaker 4: social events, and dating apps.
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  Speaker 1: These assaults allegedly.
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  Speaker 4: Had many of the same hallmarks as the rapes that
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  Speaker 4: occurred at group events, isolated locations, drug victims, force and
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  Speaker 4: physical restraint.
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  Speaker 2: It's really a lot to take in, you know, very often,
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  Speaker 2: as a former prosecutor prosecuting nothing but violent felonies, myself
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  Speaker 2: wondering why, for instance, why not just date a woman
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  Speaker 2: and have a relationship and have sex with her and
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  Speaker 2: not drug anybody and rape and sodomize them in a party,
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  Speaker 2: in a party setting.
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  Speaker 1: With a lot of guys standing around.
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  Speaker 2: But then I realized, about five years into that kind
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  Speaker 2: of thinking, why ask why? It doesn't matter. I had
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  Speaker 2: one job to seek the truth. Who did, what, where, when?
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  Speaker 1: And why?
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  Speaker 2: Why not so much to Karen Stark, renowned psychologists joining us, Karen,
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  Speaker 2: it's not about sex.
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  Speaker 1: That's a simple answer for me.
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  Speaker 2: Why don't the real estate bros with all their money
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  Speaker 2: and all their high rise to just go date somebody
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  Speaker 2: and have a sex life.
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  Speaker 1: It's not about the sex. What is it.
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  Speaker 8: It's a perversion, Nancy. They're getting off on raping, sateomizing.
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  Speaker 8: A normal relationship the kind that you're referring to does
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  Speaker 8: not excite them. They have gotten used to this kind
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  Speaker 8: of rape and violence since they were in high school,
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  Speaker 8: and this is what gets them excited. Nothing else.
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  Speaker 2: Talk about a wolf in sheep's clothing. These wild, extravagant
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  Speaker 2: parties that cost hundreds of thousands of dollars.
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  Speaker 1: Were not parties at all. They were just a.
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  Speaker 2: Russ to find sex assault victims for the New Deities.
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  Speaker 3: Listen, the fabulous parties with fabulous people might have been
• 19:39
  Speaker 3: a cover for something sinister pre planned by the Alexander brothers.
• 19:43
  Speaker 3: Each of the three brothers has been accused of forcible
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: rape by at least ten women. All three indicted on
• 19:49
  Speaker 3: federal charges of sex trafficking, while the twins aren't in
• 19:53
  Speaker 3: a lawn are charged with sexual battery in Florida. The
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: Alexanders have denied the allegations in the civil cases, and
• 19:59
  Speaker 3: their reps of previous gone so far as to suggest
• 20:01
  Speaker 3: the accusers were trying to shake down the brothers.
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: Second verse, same as the first. Do I have to
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: say deja vu all over again? Why the real estate
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: bros Are called the New Diddies? Same thing now they
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: called it fabulous parties.
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: Diddy calls it freakoffs.
• 20:21
  Speaker 4: Combs allegedly planned and controlled the sex performances, which he
• 20:26
  Speaker 4: called freakoffs, and he often electronically recorded them.
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: The freak offs.
• 20:32
  Speaker 4: Sometimes lasted days at a time, involved multiple commercial sex workers,
• 20:37
  Speaker 4: and often involved a variety of narcotics such as ketamine, ecstasy,
• 20:42
  Speaker 4: and GHB, which Combs distributed to the victims to keep
• 20:46
  Speaker 4: them obedient and compliant, as alleged, when Combs didn't get
• 20:50
  Speaker 4: his way, he was violent and he subjected victims of physical, emotional,
• 20:56
  Speaker 4: and verbal abuse so that they would participate in the freakoff.
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: To Christina Alio, joining US investigative reporter and news anchor,
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: the comparison between the real estate Bros And Ditty are inescapable.
• 21:12
  Speaker 6: They are They both are basically using their power and
• 21:15
  Speaker 6: influence to allegedly drug and rape women. However, the brothers
• 21:20
  Speaker 6: have been doing this I think longer than Diddy, all
• 21:23
  Speaker 6: the way tracing back to high school. I think they
• 21:24
  Speaker 6: were encouraged to do it with their lifestyle and they
• 21:26
  Speaker 6: have been described as being very aggressive, very bullish, very
• 21:32
  Speaker 6: attackive when it comes to working in business. And also
• 21:34
  Speaker 6: you have people from their high school years who are
• 21:37
  Speaker 6: coming forward saying that they did it in high school
• 21:39
  Speaker 6: and people were scared. Everybody in the community was scared
• 21:41
  Speaker 6: to speak out because they had so much power, they
• 21:44
  Speaker 6: had so much prominence, because they had so much influence.
• 21:46
  Speaker 7: And the same goes for Diddy.
• 21:48
  Speaker 6: He has so much power and so much money. People
• 21:50
  Speaker 6: don't want to talk out against it. People are scared
• 21:52
  Speaker 6: that their careers are going to be ruined.
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace.
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: In the Last Days is so called new Ditties. The
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: Alexander brothers get a lucky break. Their lawyer Agnifilo is
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: representing Luigi Mangioni, who is heading to trial, so their
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: sentencing is delayed, giving them more time to come up
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: with reasons why they shouldn't get the max. What exactly
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: will the judge be reviewing? Horrific rape diaries kind of
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: like blogs were discovered where they made fun of the
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: victims somewhat of a quote playbook.
• 22:40
  Speaker 14: First witness in the sex trafficking trial involving three brothers,
• 22:43
  Speaker 14: two of whom our prominent real estate brokers, recounted her
• 22:47
  Speaker 14: harrowing experience on Tuesday. The excitement of attending a party
• 22:51
  Speaker 14: at actor zach Ephron's apartment swiftly turned into a nightmare
• 22:55
  Speaker 14: when hours later one of the brothers assaulted her in
• 22:58
  Speaker 14: their residence. Her throughout the ordeal. The woman who spoke
• 23:03
  Speaker 14: under a fictitious name is among several alleged victims slated
• 23:07
  Speaker 14: to testify against tal Orrin and Alan Alexander, who faced
• 23:12
  Speaker 14: accusations of drugging and raping women and girls over several years.
• 23:16
  Speaker 14: Defense attorneys for the brothers assert that the encounters were consensual.
• 23:20
  Speaker 14: Prosecutors alleged that the Alexander brothers exploited their connections to
• 23:25
  Speaker 14: wealthy and influential people to entice multiple victims. The witness
• 23:30
  Speaker 14: explained that she was just twenty years old and studying
• 23:33
  Speaker 14: anthropology when she met two of the brothers at a
• 23:36
  Speaker 14: party at Ephron's New York City apartment. She had accompanied
• 23:40
  Speaker 14: a friend who had recently befriended Tal Alexander, who invited
• 23:43
  Speaker 14: them to watch the final game of the twenty twelve
• 23:47
  Speaker 14: NBA Finals. She noted that their interaction with Ephron was minimal,
• 23:51
  Speaker 14: as he is not implicated in any wrongdoing. After the game,
• 23:55
  Speaker 14: she attended an after party at a Manhattan night club,
• 23:57
  Speaker 14: where she accepted a drink and lost concient sciousness. She
• 24:01
  Speaker 14: later woke up in a different apartment, naked with a lawn,
• 24:04
  Speaker 14: Alexander standing over her, also unclothed. Despite her attempts to rise,
• 24:09
  Speaker 14: he repeatedly pushed her back down, leading her to declare,
• 24:12
  Speaker 14: I don't want to have sex with you, she said.
• 24:15
  Speaker 14: He laughed and responded, you already did. She recounted how
• 24:19
  Speaker 14: he then forced himself on her. During the assault, Tle
• 24:22
  Speaker 14: Alexander briefly entered the room but did not intervene, leaving
• 24:27
  Speaker 14: her feeling that he was quote super nonchalant about the
• 24:30
  Speaker 14: whole thing. Assistant US Attorney Madison Smires, in her opening
• 24:34
  Speaker 14: remarks to the jury, described the Alexander brothers as perpetrators
• 24:39
  Speaker 14: masquerading as party boys. She stated that they employed various tactics,
• 24:44
  Speaker 14: including luxury, accommodations, flights, drugs, alcohol, and sometimes physical force
• 24:49
  Speaker 14: to manipulate women into compromising situations. Defense attorney Teeny garret Ghos,
• 24:55
  Speaker 14: representing Orin Alexander, urged the jury to dismiss the prosecutions
• 25:00
  Speaker 14: munster as story. Garregos portrayed the brothers, who graduated from
• 25:04
  Speaker 14: college in two thousand and eight, as ambitious and occasionally
• 25:07
  Speaker 14: arrogant young men navigating the nightlife scene in search of
• 25:11
  Speaker 14: romantic encounters, arguing that while their behavior may seem immoral,
• 25:15
  Speaker 14: it is not criminal. She suggested that some accusers were
• 25:19
  Speaker 14: pursuing lawsuits for financial gain and only labeled themselves as
• 25:23
  Speaker 14: victims after regretting their choices, such as using illegal drugs
• 25:28
  Speaker 14: or engaging in sexual activities outside their current relationships. Attorney
• 25:33
  Speaker 14: Deana Paul, representing Tal Alexander, cautioned the jury that the
• 25:37
  Speaker 14: trial's subject matter could be distressing, like to an R
• 25:41
  Speaker 14: rated movie, and emphasizing the prosecution's portrayal of the brothers
• 25:45
  Speaker 14: as quote monsters. In a courtroom sketch, the three brothers
• 25:49
  Speaker 14: a Lawn or In Tal Alexander were seen in Manhattan
• 25:52
  Speaker 14: Federal Court on the opening day of trial January twenty seven.
• 25:56
  Speaker 14: Tal and or In Alexander specialized in high end real
• 25:59
  Speaker 14: liation state in cities like Miami, New York, and LA
• 26:03
  Speaker 14: while their brother Alan earned a law degree and managed
• 26:06
  Speaker 14: the family's private security business. Tallis thirty nine. The twins
• 26:10
  Speaker 14: Alan In Orran are thirty eight. The indictment claims the
• 26:14
  Speaker 14: men conspired to lure women to vacation spots like the
• 26:17
  Speaker 14: Hamptons by offering flights and luxurious accommodations. Since their arrest
• 26:22
  Speaker 14: in Miami in December of twenty twenty four, the brothers
• 26:25
  Speaker 14: have been held without bail. During her testimony on Tuesday,
• 26:29
  Speaker 14: the first witness described how she escaped the room where
• 26:32
  Speaker 14: Alan Alexander had attacked her after he fell asleep despite
• 26:36
  Speaker 14: the emotional weight of her testimony, She maintained her composure
• 26:40
  Speaker 14: for the most part, though she became visibly upset at times,
• 26:44
  Speaker 14: particularly when she reflected on reaching out to a friend
• 26:47
  Speaker 14: years later after the incident to remind herself that she
• 26:51
  Speaker 14: was still love.
• 26:52
  Speaker 15: This week, an FBI special agent presented jurors with detailed
• 26:56
  Speaker 15: charts showing years of emails and text messages. Prosecutors argue
• 27:01
  Speaker 15: reveal patterns of coordination and planning among the brothers dating
• 27:06
  Speaker 15: back to two thousand and nine. One accuser, identified in
• 27:09
  Speaker 15: court as Victim twenty, testified that she met Orin Alexander
• 27:13
  Speaker 15: during a ski trip in Aspen and soon became heavily
• 27:16
  Speaker 15: intoxicated after drinking champagne with him and his brother tal
• 27:21
  Speaker 15: She told jurors that she regained partial awareness to find
• 27:25
  Speaker 15: Orin on top of her, and then she felt confused, sore,
• 27:29
  Speaker 15: and humiliated. The next day, she also testified she later
• 27:33
  Speaker 15: learned that she had contracted chlamydia from Orin. Defense attorneys, however,
• 27:38
  Speaker 15: have aggressively challenged the credibility of accusers, pointing to flirtatious messages,
• 27:45
  Speaker 15: gaps in memory, and continued contact with the brothers after
• 27:49
  Speaker 15: the alleged assaults. The defense has argued these interactions were consensual,
• 27:54
  Speaker 15: while highlighting inconsistencies in witness testimony.
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: The Alexander brother is so called real estate bros rolling
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: in money, also called the New Ditties. All of their
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: trouble started, well, it really started all the way back
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: in high school when they're accused of sex assaulting women
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: all the way back then, but the current day problems
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: I EI.
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: Their rape charges.
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: All started when one woman spoke out.
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: According to prosecutors, the rapes.
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: And sex assaults have been going on for years and
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: years and years until this woman spoke out.
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: Listen.
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: The Alexander brothers fall from grace begins when the Real
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: Deal reports on damning lawsuits brought by alleged victims Kay
• 28:42
  Speaker 3: Wyman and Rebecca Mandel. Wyman alleges the brothers abducted her
• 28:46
  Speaker 3: in twenty twelve and brought her to a Hampton's party
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: palace in Watermill, Long Island, where the brothers allegedly dragged
• 28:53
  Speaker 3: her into a large bedroom where she was sexually assaulted, abused, raped, pinned, groped,
• 28:59
  Speaker 3: harassed and fondled by a lawn and or in Alexander.
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: Isn't it amazing?
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: Linn Shaw joining us and Lynn's Warriors, how it only
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: takes one person, one person to stand up and be counted,
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: one person to speak out, even though they may be
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: afraid for the whole house of cards to fall down.
• 29:20
  Speaker 11: Yeah, but we have to educate everybody that we will
• 29:23
  Speaker 11: give you safety, we will give you guardrails, we will
• 29:26
  Speaker 11: stand next to you. That is what I'm hoping all
• 29:28
  Speaker 11: of these dirty ditties and this Alexander Brothers crime family
• 29:31
  Speaker 11: will bring more public awareness again watering down to you know,
• 29:36
  Speaker 11: maybe that team that lives in the Bronx or something
• 29:39
  Speaker 11: like that, that they can come forward. We will take
• 29:41
  Speaker 11: care of them. But I want to point something out.
• 29:43
  Speaker 11: There is so much video evidence here, and I want
• 29:47
  Speaker 11: to go back to what happened with all those videos
• 29:49
  Speaker 11: where they upload it to porn sites? Was there millions
• 29:53
  Speaker 11: of dollars? Because we do a lot of work with this.
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: One a minute, Lynn Shaw, hold on, you're exactly right
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: straight out to Christina at Yo joining US news anchor
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: and investigative reporter. What are the so called trophies of
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: the real estate bros That has.
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: Just have just been revealed.
• 30:10
  Speaker 6: Yes, well, it's one thing to have a witness testimony, right,
• 30:13
  Speaker 6: but It's an entirely different situation when you have video evidence,
• 30:16
  Speaker 6: as we just saw with the Cassie and Diddy situation.
• 30:20
  Speaker 6: Prosecutors and investigators rated tell Alexander's Manhattan apartment and they
• 30:25
  Speaker 6: found a hard drive filled with pictures and videos. They're
• 30:28
  Speaker 6: saying in these videos, of course, there's the quote unquote
• 30:32
  Speaker 6: Orgys or the sessions where alleged rape is happening. They
• 30:35
  Speaker 6: are saying that women can be seen highly intoxicated on
• 30:39
  Speaker 6: alcohol or maybe even drug. They're saying they're seeing in
• 30:43
  Speaker 6: these videos where the brothers are physically manipulating these women's
• 30:47
  Speaker 6: bodies to have sex with them. And most of the time,
• 30:50
  Speaker 6: they're saying, these women do not know they're being recorded.
• 30:53
  Speaker 6: There's this one incident that they explain that a woman
• 30:55
  Speaker 6: and a man are having sex in a stall and
• 30:58
  Speaker 6: another person is recording over the stall with a camera,
• 31:01
  Speaker 6: and when the woman sees it, she protests, she says no.
• 31:03
  Speaker 6: So it's going to be pretty difficult. For whatever reason
• 31:07
  Speaker 6: they kept these videos or they have these videos, it's
• 31:09
  Speaker 6: going to be difficult to defend this in court.
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: Christina, you stated that one of the videos was taken
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: over a stall.
• 31:15
  Speaker 6: What yep, So a man and a woman were having sex.
• 31:18
  Speaker 6: It did in detail if that was forced rape. It
• 31:20
  Speaker 6: didn't detail what that was exactly. But there is a
• 31:23
  Speaker 6: third person who is holding a video camera up over
• 31:26
  Speaker 6: the bathroom stall where the woman and man are inside
• 31:29
  Speaker 6: of that stall having sex. And the woman sees the camera.
• 31:32
  Speaker 6: She tells them to stop, and they don't stop. And
• 31:34
  Speaker 6: that's what prosecutors are saying. They're not listening to these women.
• 31:37
  Speaker 6: They're manipulating their bodies, and they won't stop when the
• 31:40
  Speaker 6: women are asking them to stop.
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: Trophies trophies to Nima Romani is joining US former federal prosecutor,
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: president of West Coast Trial Lawyers, author of Harvard to
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: Hashtag's Nima trophies have been the undoing of so manie
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: criminals explain, Oh.
• 31:59
  Speaker 10: It's great.
• 32:00
  Speaker 9: And if you're a prosecutor, because people can lie. Criminal
• 32:02
  Speaker 9: in fendants lie all the time, even witnesses and victims
• 32:05
  Speaker 9: can sometimes lie.
• 32:06
  Speaker 10: But video doesn't lie.
• 32:07
  Speaker 9: And when you have video of these sex acts, that
• 32:11
  Speaker 9: is the best evidence when you're a prosecutor. Because really
• 32:14
  Speaker 9: there's only two defenses in any sex trafficking case. Either
• 32:17
  Speaker 9: the sexual activity didn't happen, or it was consensual.
• 32:21
  Speaker 10: That's it.
• 32:22
  Speaker 9: And once you have that video, it certainly takes away
• 32:25
  Speaker 9: the first defense, and then when women are being drug
• 32:28
  Speaker 9: takes away the second as well. And there's really two
• 32:30
  Speaker 9: reasons why people record these sex acts.
• 32:34
  Speaker 10: The first is their own deviant sexual pleasure, and I
• 32:37
  Speaker 10: think that's probably why Diddy was recording his freak offs.
• 32:41
  Speaker 10: But there's the second reason, and that is to have
• 32:43
  Speaker 10: control over the victims, potentially blackmail them and say, hey,
• 32:48
  Speaker 10: if you come after me, I'm going to leak these videos.
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: Christina Awayo, isn't it true that these videos were pulled
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: off of a hard drive that was found hidden in
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: a closet during a search, Yes, in.
• 33:01
  Speaker 6: Tall Alexander's Manhattan apartment, so they were really searching. They
• 33:04
  Speaker 6: had the warrant to go through everything, and he kept them.
• 33:06
  Speaker 6: He kept them on a hard drive. And it's not
• 33:08
  Speaker 6: just videos, it's pictures as well. And it goes to
• 33:11
  Speaker 6: show that, just like he said, men light women light.
• 33:14
  Speaker 6: Witnesses lie perhaps, but the video is not going to lie.
• 33:17
  Speaker 6: And this is pretty tough evidence. However, the defense is
• 33:20
  Speaker 6: already saying that this doesn't prove anything, This doesn't prove
• 33:22
  Speaker 6: a commercial act, this doesn't prove that they were drugged.
• 33:25
  Speaker 6: It may prove that they're intoxicated, but he's saying, oh,
• 33:28
  Speaker 6: these are just big orgies. Everybody was willing and there
• 33:31
  Speaker 6: is nothing going on here, So next story please.
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: You know, it reminds me.
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: In the last few days, Shawn Comes aka Diddi's defense
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: team has stated they want the free call videos to
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: be made public because it quote proves his innocence. Okay, sure,
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: you know another thing. If it's so innocent, why was
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: it hidden in a closet. But thinking about the videos
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: the trophies pulled from a hard drive in the Real
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: Estate Bros. Cl laws it it reminds me of a
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: certain raid that went down on Son Combs's mansion. In
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: that case, as well, Bill Daily, former FBI trophies quote
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: trophies were.
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: Obtained during that raid.
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: Bill Daily video equipment was reportedly discovered, along with over
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: one thousand bottles of lubricant baby oil. Trophies have been
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: the bane of many criminals existence why.
• 34:31
  Speaker 12: Trophy well, you know, and as if you go to
• 34:33
  Speaker 12: other kind of repeat offenders, repeat criminals such as Dennis Raider,
• 34:37
  Speaker 12: the bund torture kill fiend, you know, they either keep
• 34:42
  Speaker 12: pieces of clothing, they keep some something to remind them something.
• 34:47
  Speaker 5: Who's going to get them excited, Something's going to.
• 34:49
  Speaker 12: You know, make them remember how how wonderful it was
• 34:52
  Speaker 12: that they controlled this person, that they did what they did.
• 34:55
  Speaker 5: And so for all these things, it's some.
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: Way are you putting perfume on the pig daily, that's
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: not like you the souvenirs.
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: The trophies, quote get them excited. You may give them
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: an direction.
• 35:06
  Speaker 12: Well, you know that as well as sharing among other people,
• 35:10
  Speaker 12: being able to. In some cases they like to share
• 35:12
  Speaker 12: it because they've had this experience of other people. They
• 35:15
  Speaker 12: keep it, they look at themselves, you know, maybe other people.
• 35:19
  Speaker 5: They let them see that. That all kind of gives
• 35:21
  Speaker 5: them a sense of control.
• 35:22
  Speaker 12: It goes back to that essence of controlling individuals, controlling
• 35:26
  Speaker 12: their environment, doing what they want to do, using that
• 35:29
  Speaker 12: leverage over people.
• 35:30
  Speaker 9: You know.
• 35:30
  Speaker 12: In this case, Nancy, in a very interesting point it
• 35:32
  Speaker 12: came up, which is simply we've seen in other cases,
• 35:35
  Speaker 12: is that as the FBI is investigating this, reports are
• 35:38
  Speaker 12: coming out that multiple victims have the same stories. Again,
• 35:41
  Speaker 12: people who've been not connected, not there at the same place,
• 35:44
  Speaker 12: same time, but have the same story to tell.
• 35:46
  Speaker 5: All of that is extreming.
• 35:48
  Speaker 12: And as part of what I believe the fbis and
• 35:50
  Speaker 12: the US the Attorney's Office is making their case out
• 35:53
  Speaker 12: of is that they have statements, and I would encourage people.
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: You know, I'm very curious, Bill Daily. I think this
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: goes being on your or my kin colloquial for understanding
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: joining me psychologist Karen Stark.
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: Everything Bill Daley said is correct, But what.
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: Is the reason, the mental or the psychological reason that
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: people like Dennis Raider or in this case, the real
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: estate bros also called the rape bros.
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: But those are just accusations. Why keep all these videos
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: they're damning.
• 36:28
  Speaker 8: It's a wonderful way for them to relive the crime.
• 36:31
  Speaker 8: Nancy and whatever got them off when they were doing it,
• 36:35
  Speaker 8: whatever got them excited and gave them erections and orgasms.
• 36:39
  Speaker 8: They can do that all over again repeatedly because they
• 36:44
  Speaker 8: have these trophies. It's great if it's a video, but
• 36:47
  Speaker 8: it can be an airing, It could be a necklace,
• 36:50
  Speaker 8: it could be a piece of clothing. It doesn't matter.
• 36:53
  Speaker 8: They wind up reliving the excitement that they felt at
• 36:57
  Speaker 8: the time and how much they controlled the situation.
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: The new didties the three Alexander Bros. The Real Estate Bros.
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: Pled not guilty, and the defense did their best to
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: kind of paint their behavior as morally disgusting but not criminal. Okay,
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: But that defense was blown wide open by a torpedo
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: with a resounding jury rate of guilty on all accounts.
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: What was the evidence the jury heard?
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: For years?
• 37:32
  Speaker 4: The Alexander brothers, sometimes with others, also arranged domestic and
• 37:37
  Speaker 4: international trips to carry out their sex trafficking scheme. To
• 37:42
  Speaker 4: recruit and induce women to come on the trips, they
• 37:44
  Speaker 4: provided material benefits things they travel to, vacation destinations, luxury accommodations,
• 37:50
  Speaker 4: and access to other high end experiences.
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: Are the claims true?
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: Should I believe the Real Estate Bros? Or should I
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: believe all of the women now coming forward, some of
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: them named in federal indictments, others filing civil suits.
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: What's very hard for.
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: Many people to understand, including myself, is how the real
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: Estate bros. Acted, how they faked a happy home life.
• 38:20
  Speaker 3: Listen, the Alexander brothers are all married now. Alahn married
• 38:24
  Speaker 3: Shaney Zigrin, with whom he has two children, in May
• 38:26
  Speaker 3: of twenty twenty, or In married model Camilla Hanson in
• 38:30
  Speaker 3: April twenty twenty three, and Tall married Ariel CogAT in
• 38:33
  Speaker 3: October of twenty twenty three. Or In pleaded with a
• 38:37
  Speaker 3: judge to let him out as his wife was pregnant
• 38:40
  Speaker 3: and do any day. His request was denied.
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: That's something the baby can say as it grows up.
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: Dad was in jail on rape charges when.
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: I was born.
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  Speaker 2: This whole facade of a happy family again, it's diddy
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  Speaker 2: REDIU listen.
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  Speaker 1: Be happy.
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  Speaker 5: Two of you get on the phone.
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  Speaker 2: To veteran try a lawyer, former felanty prosecutor Nima Ramani Nima.
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  Speaker 1: It would not.
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  Speaker 2: Be the first time a so called family man was
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  Speaker 2: ultimately convicted of repeat offenses.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, there's dentist.
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  Speaker 2: Raider that Bill Daley brought up earlier, who would sex
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  Speaker 2: assault and kill so many women and including young girls
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  Speaker 2: on his dog catching route the whole time. He had
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  Speaker 2: a family at home and he was a deacon in
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  Speaker 2: the church.
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  Speaker 1: Uh.
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  Speaker 2: Then you've gotten Gaysey John Wayne Gacy, who would go
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  Speaker 2: to children's birthday parties to entertain the children dressed as
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  Speaker 2: a clown.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know how many boys bodies were pulled out
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  Speaker 1: of his crawl space.
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  Speaker 2: Then you got Ted Bundy, who seemingly was a successful
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  Speaker 2: law school student.
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  Speaker 1: He's a serial killer.
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  Speaker 2: He goes on and on, and oh do I have
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  Speaker 2: to say, rex Huerman, the eight hundred pound gorilla in
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  Speaker 2: the room, the architect by day, serial killer by night,
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  Speaker 2: with a wife and two children.
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  Speaker 9: Nancy and Human's wife actually saw some of these sex acts,
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  Speaker 9: at least allegedly, So this question of what she knew, well,
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  Speaker 9: this is criminal defense lawyering one oh one. They want
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  Speaker 9: to show the jurors that the defendant has family support.
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  Speaker 9: That's why you see Ditty's family at every single appearance.
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  Speaker 9: That's why I fully expect the Alexander brothers to have
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  Speaker 9: their parents, the wives who haven't filed divorce to be
• 40:37
  Speaker 9: at those court proceedings, because that's what jurors expect. They
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  Speaker 9: want to see the family members supporting the folks who
• 40:44
  Speaker 9: are accused and are on trap.
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  Speaker 1: And like Didty, the new.
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  Speaker 2: Ditties have a fantastical scheme of how they're going to
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  Speaker 2: stay out of MDC Metropolitan Detention Center listen.
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  Speaker 3: In a crazy bit to keep their boys out of incarceration.
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  Speaker 3: The parents of the Alexander brothers have offered to provide
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  Speaker 3: private imprisonment. In a real proposal to authorities, Shlomo and
• 41:06
  Speaker 3: Orly Alexander proposed confining the brothers to a two bedroom
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  Speaker 3: apartment on the eighth floor of a Miami building, emphasizing
• 41:13
  Speaker 3: the apartment is non waterfront and non luxury. They promised
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  Speaker 3: security guards would be stationed around the clock and an
• 41:20
  Speaker 3: alarm system would make sure the brothers remain on site.
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  Speaker 3: The parents also offered to put up to one billion
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  Speaker 3: dollars bail for their sons to get out of jail.
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  Speaker 1: In case you.
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  Speaker 2: Didn't get that, it's one billion as in brother biz
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  Speaker 2: in brother not million billion. The parents offering to put
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: up one billion dollars cash to get their sons out
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  Speaker 2: of jail. Maybe they were going to put in some
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: equity into that, but one billion dollars bail to get
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  Speaker 2: their sons out and having them imprisoned.
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  Speaker 1: In a Miami high rise.
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  Speaker 2: And the suffering part was that they wouldn't get a
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  Speaker 2: beach front view ouch.
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  Speaker 1: That has to hurt. How dare you mommy and daddy?
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  Speaker 1: Christina Yo.
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  Speaker 2: It's reminiscent of the Last bid, well the last three
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: bids by Sean Combs to get out on bid where
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: he offered the judge a multimillion dollar bill package. I
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  Speaker 2: think it was twenty meal and he would stay in
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  Speaker 2: a Manhattan town home with his own private security guards
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  Speaker 2: to keep him from raping people.
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  Speaker 1: Eerie echo, right.
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  Speaker 7: And that's the draw, right exactly. I promised not to
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  Speaker 7: rape anybody during this time. I promise that I'm not
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  Speaker 7: going to have any orgies.
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  Speaker 6: In fact, I won't even have any women over, So
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  Speaker 6: that in and of itself is a huge punishment.
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  Speaker 7: This is the same thing that we're seeing.
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  Speaker 6: With these brothers, And quite frankly, I don't know how
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  Speaker 6: much the parents can be trusted in this whole situation,
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  Speaker 6: because we talk about pretending to have a perfect family.
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  Speaker 6: But I go back to the sex bus that was
• 42:59
  Speaker 6: sitting out side of their forty million dollar home as
• 43:02
  Speaker 6: the brothers were in high school, and people have said
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  Speaker 6: witness testimony, they are saying that back in those days
• 43:08
  Speaker 6: that women in the scene in the Miami scene because
• 43:11
  Speaker 6: for some reason, high school brothers were in the Miami scene.
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  Speaker 6: They were warned not to drink any drinks that came
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  Speaker 6: from the brothers and to stay away from the brothers.
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  Speaker 13: The Alexander brothers are accused of using their wealth and
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  Speaker 13: positions to create and facilitate opportunities to rape and sexually
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  Speaker 13: assault women. So far, more than forty women have come
• 43:29
  Speaker 13: forward accusing the three Alexander brothers of sexual misconducts, and
• 43:33
  Speaker 13: investigators are asking other women who believe they have been
• 43:36
  Speaker 13: assaulted to call. Attorneys for the brothers say they planned
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  Speaker 13: to plead not guilty to the charges, which, if convicted,
• 43:42
  Speaker 13: could lend all three brothers in prison for life.
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  Speaker 2: As we are discussing these alleged acts, sex assault, right sodomies,
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  Speaker 2: That's what we're saying. Reportedly date all the way back
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  Speaker 2: when the real Estate bros Were in high school.
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  Speaker 16: Listen, news of the arrests start to spread, stories from
• 44:02
  Speaker 16: the Alexander brothers high school years come to light. Their
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  Speaker 16: history of sexual violence dates back decades to their high
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  Speaker 16: school days in Miami, where they bragged about several gang rapes.
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  Speaker 16: Prosecutors say each of the victims that the government has
• 44:15
  Speaker 16: interviewed from this period reported hearing that individuals involved, including
• 44:20
  Speaker 16: Tal Alexander, talked about the assaults at school, boasting about
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  Speaker 16: running train on their victims and saying they wanted to
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  Speaker 16: do it.
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  Speaker 1: Again, you know, Lynn Shaw.
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  Speaker 2: As many rape and sodomy cases that I've investigated, I
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  Speaker 2: have tried, have pled out.
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  Speaker 1: To jail time, have covered. It's still it's disgusting.
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  Speaker 2: It just makes something and you want to die to
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: hear about them bragging about quote running train on the victims,
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: which means multiple rapists on one victim, saying they quote
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  Speaker 2: wanted to do it again. It never ceases to be
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  Speaker 2: heartbreaking that a victim would go through this.
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  Speaker 11: Well, we can't die, Nancy. We have to stand for
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  Speaker 11: those that don't have a voice. And I want us
• 45:13
  Speaker 11: to focus on two things here. I want us to
• 45:16
  Speaker 11: focus on where was mama Alexander. We're talking about a
• 45:19
  Speaker 11: sex bus when these trio of triplets, dirty ditty triplets
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  Speaker 11: were right part right in front of their their multimillion
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  Speaker 11: dollar mansion. I'm telling you as a mother, I knew
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  Speaker 11: when my kids moved a throw pillow on my couch.
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  Speaker 11: Where were the parents at this time and throughout all
• 45:35
  Speaker 11: of this. The second thing I want to and we
• 45:37
  Speaker 11: have to talk about that because people have to start
• 45:39
  Speaker 11: standing up. Where were these parents? They were the talk
• 45:42
  Speaker 11: of the town we're hearing, you know, in the Miami,
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  Speaker 11: Florida area.
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  Speaker 7: So we should focus on that.
• 45:46
  Speaker 11: I also want to focus on You're not going to
• 45:48
  Speaker 11: see their wives in court with them. Those women are
• 45:50
  Speaker 11: taking their kids and running for the hills. One is
• 45:52
  Speaker 11: already filed for divorce. Okay, they're going to turn evidence
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  Speaker 11: on them. They're beautiful young women, they have some young children,
• 45:58
  Speaker 11: a newborn baby.
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  Speaker 7: They're not sticking around for this.
• 46:01
  Speaker 11: And the third thing I want to get back to
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  Speaker 11: we're not talking enough about is that oldest brother with
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  Speaker 11: his security firm. There is video evidence. Where are all
• 46:10
  Speaker 11: those videos going? I guarantee, I hope we have a
• 46:13
  Speaker 11: forensic accountant coming along. That they have been uploaded not
• 46:16
  Speaker 11: only to control their victims and to scare them, they
• 46:20
  Speaker 11: have been uploaded to porn sites where these monsters make
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  Speaker 11: millions and millions of.
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  Speaker 7: Dollars across the globe. And these are things we should
• 46:28
  Speaker 7: be looking at.
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  Speaker 2: The so called new ditties, the Alexander Brose real estate
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: multi millionaires and stars in a reality show of their
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: own Caught a Break. Their sentencing has been delayed. That
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: gives them more time to subpoena fans, family hangers on
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  Speaker 2: to testify for them at their sentencing hearing. I hope
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: you're listening. Crime victims. You need to be in court
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: the date of that sentencing, and it has been delayed.
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  Speaker 2: We wait as justice folds. Nancy Grace Crime Story Signing up, Goodbye,
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