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Sliding Towards Authoritarianism: Our Failing Democracy & What We Can Do About It · Deep Transformation

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  Welcome
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  to
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  part
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  one
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  of
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  our
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  fourth
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  conversation
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  with
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  our
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  friend
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  Mark
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  Fischler,
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  lawyer
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  and
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  constitutional
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  professor.
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  In
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  part
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  one,
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  we
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  explore
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  the
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  deeper
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  roots
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  of
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  our
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  endangered
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  and
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  faltering
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  democracy
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  and
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  how
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  we
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  got
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  here.
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  Welcome
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  to
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  Deep
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  Self,
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  Society,
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  Spirit,
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  Life
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  enhancing,
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  paradigm
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  rattling
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  conversations
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  with
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  cutting
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  edge
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  thinkers,
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  contemplatives
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  and
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  activists
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  with
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  Dr.
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  Roger
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  Walsh
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  and
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  John
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  Dupuy.
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  Welcome
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  to
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  Deep
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  Transformation,
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  Self,
• 0:34
  Society,
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  Spirit.
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  I'm
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  Roger
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  Walsh
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  and
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  our
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  co
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  host
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  is
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  John
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  Dupuy,
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  author
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  of
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  the
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  text
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  Integral
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  Recovery.
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  And
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  our
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  guest
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  today
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  is
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  Professor
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  Mark
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  Fischler.
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  Mark
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  has
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  the
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  distinction
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  of
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  being
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  other
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  than
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  Hameed
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  Ali,
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  who
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  we're
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  doing
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  a
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  year
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  long
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  series
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  with,
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  of
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  being
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  most
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  frequent
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  guest,
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  the
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  only
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  person
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  we've
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  had
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  on
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  four
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  times.
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  And
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  that's
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  a
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  tribute
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  to
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  Mark,
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  who's
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  a
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  remarkable
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  human
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  being
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  and
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  it's
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  also
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  a
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  sad
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  statement
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  about
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  our
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  times
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  that
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  we
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  really
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  have
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  sought
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  his
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  counsel
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  as
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  a
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  legal
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  scholar
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  and
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  expert
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  on
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  our
• 1:11
  contemporary
• 1:11
  situation
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  or
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  guidance
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  and
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  understanding
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  in
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  this
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  very
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  strange
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  and
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  in
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  some
• 1:17
  ways
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  many
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  really
• 1:18
  tragic
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  time
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  we're
• 1:19
  facing.
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  Mark
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  is
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  a
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  professor
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  of
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  law
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  and
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  Criminal
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  justice
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  at
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  Plymouth
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  State
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  University.
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  He's
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  the
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  recipient
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  of
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  the
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  university's
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  Outstanding
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  Teacher
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  Award.
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  He's
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  also
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  co
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  host
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  of
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  the
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  podcast
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  Integral
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  Justice
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  Warrior
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  in
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  which
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  he
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  explores
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  justice
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  and
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  contemporary
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  issues
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  from
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  an
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  integral
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  that
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  is
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  an
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  encompassing
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  integrative
• 1:42
  perspective.
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  And
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  he's
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  a
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  dedicated
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  contemplative
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  practitioner.
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  So,
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  Mark,
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  it's
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  privileged
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  to
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  have
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  you
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  back
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  with
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  us
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  and
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  maybe
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  since
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  we
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  are
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  now
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  a
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  year
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  into
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  our
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  current
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  presidency
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  or
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  over
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  a
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  year,
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  perhaps
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  we
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  could
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  start
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  by
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  asking
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  you
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  to
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  give
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  us
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  your
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  kind
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  of
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  big
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  picture
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  perspective
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  or
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  reflection
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  on
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  this
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  year
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  and
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  this
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  administration.
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  Yeah,
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  well,
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  first
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  off,
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  honored
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  to
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  be
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  with
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  both
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  of
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  you.
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  Thank
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  you
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  for
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  the
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  kind
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  introduction.
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  And
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  you're
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  both
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  wonderful
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  human
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  beings
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  with
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  such
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  wisdom.
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  So
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  it's
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  a
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  true
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  honor
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  to
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  be
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  back
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  on
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  your
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  show,
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  albeit
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  in
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  strange
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  times.
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  Good
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  words,
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  Roger.
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  Yeah.
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  To
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  think
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  back,
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  right,
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  a
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  little
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  over
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  a
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  year
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  ago,
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  Donald
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  Trump
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  was
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  reelected
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  to
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  the
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  presidency
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  and
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  came
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  in
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  on
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  January
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  20th
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  and
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  really,
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  really
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  went
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  at
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  things
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  with
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  a
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  directionality
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  and
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  purpose
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  really
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  unseen
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  in
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  a
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  very
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  long
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  time,
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  certainly
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  in
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  my
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  lifetime.
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  And
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  of
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  course
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  with
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  that
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  there
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  comes
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  some
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  good
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  and
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  some
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  bad.
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  But
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  I
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  would
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  have
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  to
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  say
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  the
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  overall
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  trajectory
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  of
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  Donald
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  Trump's
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  presidency
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  is
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  a
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  kind
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  of
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  a
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  devolution
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  from
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  democracy
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  towards
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  an
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  authoritarian
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  approach
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  to
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  governance.
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  I'm
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  not
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  saying
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  that
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  we're
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  there,
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  but
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  there
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  are
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  a
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  whole
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  lot
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  of
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  signs
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  that
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  that's
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  the
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  directionality.
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  And
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  so
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  that
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  kind
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  of
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  devolution
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  has
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  been,
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  I
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  think,
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  the
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  center
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  of
• 3:21
  gravity
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  of
• 3:22
  the
• 3:22
  reality
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  that
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  we
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  in
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  the
• 3:25
  United
• 3:25
  States
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  have
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  to
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  grapple
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  with,
• 3:28
  understand
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  and
• 3:30
  deal
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  with
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  for
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  those
• 3:31
  of
• 3:31
  us
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  that
• 3:32
  cherish
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  the
• 3:34
  principles
• 3:34
  of
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  a
• 3:35
  democracy.
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  Because
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  those
• 3:36
  principles
• 3:37
  of
• 3:37
  a
• 3:37
  democracy
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  really
• 3:39
  not
• 3:40
  only
• 3:40
  reflect,
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  you
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  know,
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  shared
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  governance,
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  but
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  it
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  also,
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  there's
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  a
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  spiritual
• 3:46
  aspect
• 3:46
  to
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  it
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  in
• 3:47
  the
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  sense
• 3:48
  that
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  there's
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  a
• 3:49
  recognition
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  of
• 3:50
  the
• 3:50
  interconnection
• 3:51
  of
• 3:51
  beings
• 3:52
  and
• 3:52
  the
• 3:53
  interconnection
• 3:53
  of
• 3:54
  perspectives
• 3:54
  and
• 3:55
  the
• 3:55
  value
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  of
• 3:56
  hearing
• 3:56
  those
• 3:57
  perspectives.
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  And
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  so,
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  you
• 3:59
  know,
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  I'm
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  concerned.
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  Mark,
• 4:01
  can
• 4:01
  I
• 4:02
  share
• 4:02
  something
• 4:02
  here?
• 4:03
  I
• 4:03
  just
• 4:03
  looked
• 4:03
  this
• 4:03
  up
• 4:04
  before
• 4:04
  we
• 4:04
  started
• 4:05
  and
• 4:05
  it
• 4:05
  was
• 4:05
  ChatGPT
• 4:06
  and
• 4:06
  I
• 4:07
  asked
• 4:07
  about
• 4:07
  the
• 4:07
  bullet
• 4:07
  point
• 4:08
  characteristics
• 4:08
  of
• 4:08
  fascism
• 4:09
  and
• 4:10
  she.
• 4:10
  I
• 4:10
  use
• 4:10
  a
• 4:11
  pronoun
• 4:11
  for
• 4:11
  her.
• 4:11
  She
• 4:12
  said
• 4:12
  this
• 4:13
  is
• 4:13
  this
• 4:13
  characteristic
• 4:14
  to
• 4:14
  Mussolini
• 4:15
  and
• 4:15
  Hitler
• 4:15
  that
• 4:16
  was
• 4:16
  not
• 4:16
  applying
• 4:16
  it
• 4:16
  to
• 4:17
  United
• 4:17
  States.
• 4:17
  But
• 4:18
  I'll
• 4:18
  just
• 4:18
  read
• 4:18
  through
• 4:18
  these
• 4:19
  quickly
• 4:19
  or
• 4:19
  not
• 4:20
  so
• 4:20
  quickly.
• 4:21
  Core
• 4:21
  ideological
• 4:22
  features.
• 4:23
  Ultranationalism.
• 4:25
  Myth
• 4:26
  of
• 4:26
  a
• 4:27
  national
• 4:27
  rebirth.
• 4:28
  Make
• 4:29
  America
• 4:29
  great
• 4:29
  again.
• 4:30
  Scapegoating
• 4:31
  an
• 4:32
  enemy
• 4:32
  within.
• 4:34
  Immigrants,
• 4:34
  Dems,
• 4:35
  liberals,
• 4:37
  Militarism
• 4:38
  and
• 4:38
  glorification
• 4:39
  of
• 4:39
  violence.
• 4:40
  The
• 4:41
  Department
• 4:41
  of
• 4:41
  War.
• 4:42
  Kill
• 4:42
  them
• 4:42
  all.
• 4:44
  Authoritarian
• 4:45
  one
• 4:45
  man
• 4:46
  rule.
• 4:47
  That
• 4:47
  is
• 4:47
  Donald's
• 4:49
  wet
• 4:49
  dream,
• 4:49
  I
• 4:50
  suppose.
• 4:51
  One
• 4:51
  party
• 4:51
  or
• 4:52
  dominant
• 4:53
  party
• 4:53
  state
• 4:54
  they
• 4:54
  currently
• 4:55
  control.
• 4:56
  Seems
• 4:57
  like
• 4:57
  the
• 4:57
  Supreme
• 4:57
  Court
• 4:57
  in
• 4:58
  both
• 4:58
  houses
• 4:58
  of
• 4:58
  Congress.
• 4:59
  Abolition
• 5:00
  of
• 5:00
  liberal
• 5:00
  democracy.
• 5:01
  Elections,
• 5:02
  independent
• 5:03
  courts.
• 5:04
  They're
• 5:04
  working
• 5:04
  on
• 5:05
  that.
• 5:05
  Police
• 5:06
  state
• 5:06
  repression.
• 5:08
  Does
• 5:08
  that
• 5:08
  bring
• 5:08
  up
• 5:09
  any
• 5:09
  images?
• 5:10
  You
• 5:10
  know,
• 5:10
  National
• 5:11
  Guard
• 5:11
  all
• 5:11
  over
• 5:11
  the
• 5:12
  streets.
• 5:12
  These
• 5:12
  ICE
• 5:13
  people
• 5:13
  that
• 5:13
  come
• 5:13
  in
• 5:13
  with
• 5:14
  the
• 5:14
  covered
• 5:14
  faces
• 5:14
  looking
• 5:15
  like
• 5:15
  a
• 5:15
  bunch
• 5:15
  of
• 5:16
  upgraded
• 5:16
  gestapo
• 5:17
  agents.
• 5:19
  Social
• 5:20
  and
• 5:20
  cultural
• 5:20
  patterns.
• 5:21
  Cult
• 5:21
  of
• 5:21
  tradition.
• 5:22
  Reaction
• 5:22
  against
• 5:23
  modern
• 5:23
  liberal
• 5:23
  culture.
• 5:24
  Anti
• 5:24
  intellectualism.
• 5:26
  Let's
• 5:26
  take
• 5:26
  out
• 5:26
  Harvard.
• 5:28
  Rigid
• 5:29
  hierarchy
• 5:29
  of
• 5:29
  patriarchy.
• 5:30
  Belief
• 5:30
  in
• 5:31
  natural
• 5:31
  social
• 5:31
  rankings
• 5:32
  by
• 5:32
  gender,
• 5:33
  race,
• 5:33
  class,
• 5:34
  glorification
• 5:34
  of
• 5:34
  masculinity,
• 5:35
  youth
• 5:36
  discipline
• 5:36
  and
• 5:36
  obedience.
• 5:38
  Mass
• 5:38
  rally
• 5:38
  politics.
• 5:40
  Have
• 5:40
  we
• 5:40
  seen
• 5:40
  that?
• 5:41
  Few
• 5:43
  and
• 5:43
  state
• 5:43
  directed
• 5:44
  capitalism
• 5:45
  is
• 5:45
  another
• 5:45
  point.
• 5:46
  Private
• 5:46
  property
• 5:46
  and
• 5:47
  big
• 5:47
  business
• 5:47
  remain,
• 5:48
  but
• 5:48
  unions
• 5:48
  are
• 5:49
  crushed
• 5:49
  and
• 5:49
  the
• 5:50
  state
• 5:50
  directs
• 5:50
  the
• 5:50
  economy
• 5:51
  toward
• 5:51
  national
• 5:51
  goals.
• 5:53
  The
• 5:53
  alliance
• 5:54
  of
• 5:54
  elites
• 5:55
  and
• 5:55
  a
• 5:55
  mass
• 5:55
  movement
• 5:56
  like
• 5:56
  why
• 5:57
  are
• 5:57
  the
• 5:57
  working
• 5:57
  class
• 5:58
  people
• 5:59
  supporting
• 6:00
  all
• 6:00
  these
• 6:00
  things
• 6:01
  for
• 6:01
  the
• 6:01
  ultra
• 6:02
  rich,
• 6:02
  for
• 6:02
  the
• 6:02
  oligarchs
• 6:03
  in
• 6:03
  our
• 6:03
  country,
• 6:04
  a
• 6:04
  good
• 6:04
  trick.
• 6:06
  Exploitation
• 6:07
  of
• 6:07
  crisis
• 6:07
  and
• 6:08
  humiliation.
• 6:09
  The
• 6:09
  immigration
• 6:10
  crisis
• 6:11
  comes
• 6:11
  to
• 6:11
  mind.
• 6:12
  The
• 6:12
  use
• 6:12
  of
• 6:13
  legal
• 6:13
  means
• 6:14
  plus
• 6:14
  violence.
• 6:15
  He
• 6:16
  has
• 6:16
  been
• 6:16
  so
• 6:17
  incredibly
• 6:17
  vindictive
• 6:18
  with
• 6:19
  the
• 6:20
  legal
• 6:20
  means
• 6:20
  at
• 6:21
  his
• 6:22
  disposal.
• 6:23
  Using
• 6:24
  the
• 6:24
  DOJ
• 6:25
  and
• 6:25
  the
• 6:25
  FBI
• 6:26
  just
• 6:26
  to
• 6:26
  go
• 6:26
  after
• 6:27
  people
• 6:27
  that
• 6:28
  committed
• 6:28
  the
• 6:28
  sin
• 6:28
  of
• 6:29
  opposing
• 6:29
  him
• 6:30
  being
• 6:30
  political
• 6:30
  opponents.
• 6:32
  Right,
• 6:32
  and
• 6:33
  I
• 6:33
  think
• 6:33
  that's
• 6:34
  a
• 6:34
  good
• 6:34
  stuff
• 6:35
  there.
• 6:35
  So
• 6:36
  if
• 6:36
  it's
• 6:36
  not
• 6:37
  fascism,
• 6:37
  it's
• 6:38
  darn
• 6:38
  close.
• 6:40
  Yeah.
• 6:40
  Well,
• 6:40
  to
• 6:41
  work
• 6:41
  off
• 6:41
  of
• 6:42
  what
• 6:42
  you
• 6:42
  said,
• 6:42
  the
• 6:43
  New
• 6:43
  York
• 6:43
  Times
• 6:44
  at
• 6:44
  the
• 6:44
  end
• 6:45
  of
• 6:45
  October
• 6:46
  ran
• 6:47
  a
• 6:47
  major
• 6:47
  editorial
• 6:49
  that
• 6:49
  was
• 6:50
  entitled
• 6:50
  is
• 6:51
  our
• 6:51
  democracy
• 6:52
  in
• 6:52
  decline
• 6:53
  and
• 6:54
  it
• 6:55
  then
• 6:55
  went
• 6:56
  through
• 6:57
  12
• 6:59
  aspects
• 6:59
  of
• 7:00
  what
• 7:00
  authoritarianism
• 7:01
  looks
• 7:01
  like
• 7:02
  and
• 7:02
  you
• 7:03
  mentioned
• 7:04
  many
• 7:04
  of
• 7:04
  them.
• 7:04
  But
• 7:04
  let
• 7:05
  me
• 7:05
  go
• 7:05
  through
• 7:05
  them
• 7:06
  in
• 7:07
  a
• 7:07
  kind
• 7:07
  of
• 7:07
  meticulous
• 7:08
  way
• 7:09
  with
• 7:09
  some
• 7:10
  of
• 7:10
  the
• 7:10
  evidence
• 7:10
  that
• 7:11
  you
• 7:11
  actually
• 7:12
  touched
• 7:12
  on
• 7:13
  so
• 7:13
  that
• 7:13
  we
• 7:13
  can
• 7:14
  kind
• 7:14
  of
• 7:15
  see
• 7:15
  where
• 7:16
  exactly
• 7:17
  we
• 7:17
  are
• 7:17
  with
• 7:17
  this,
• 7:18
  which
• 7:18
  I
• 7:18
  think
• 7:19
  ChatGPT
• 7:20
  did
• 7:20
  a
• 7:20
  great
• 7:20
  job
• 7:22
  with.
• 7:22
  So
• 7:22
  thank
• 7:22
  you
• 7:23
  for
• 7:23
  that,
• 7:23
  John.
• 7:23
  So,
• 7:24
  and
• 7:24
  Mark,
• 7:25
  can
• 7:25
  I
• 7:25
  just
• 7:25
  ask.
• 7:26
  Maybe
• 7:26
  just
• 7:26
  start
• 7:27
  with
• 7:27
  the
• 7:27
  elementary.
• 7:28
  Absolutely.
• 7:29
  How
• 7:29
  would
• 7:29
  you
• 7:29
  define
• 7:30
  authoritarianism?
• 7:33
  That's
• 7:33
  a
• 7:33
  great
• 7:33
  question.
• 7:34
  I
• 7:34
  think
• 7:34
  authoritarianism
• 7:36
  is
• 7:37
  when,
• 7:38
  you
• 7:38
  know,
• 7:38
  kind
• 7:38
  of
• 7:39
  I
• 7:39
  can
• 7:39
  define
• 7:39
  it
• 7:39
  in
• 7:39
  terms
• 7:40
  of
• 7:40
  what
• 7:40
  it
• 7:40
  isn't.
• 7:41
  It
• 7:41
  doesn't
• 7:42
  honor.
• 7:43
  It's
• 7:43
  more
• 7:43
  of
• 7:44
  like
• 7:44
  a
• 7:44
  dog
• 7:45
  eat
• 7:45
  dog.
• 7:46
  The
• 7:46
  best
• 7:47
  survive.
• 7:48
  It's
• 7:48
  quite
• 7:49
  futile
• 7:50
  in
• 7:50
  its
• 7:50
  orientation.
• 7:52
  It
• 7:52
  doesn't
• 7:53
  want
• 7:53
  to
• 7:53
  honor
• 7:54
  different
• 7:54
  perspectives.
• 7:55
  And
• 7:56
  it's,
• 7:56
  you
• 7:56
  know,
• 7:57
  it's
• 7:57
  an
• 7:57
  approach
• 7:57
  that
• 7:58
  takes
• 7:58
  the
• 7:58
  spoils
• 7:59
  and
• 7:59
  certainly
• 8:00
  tries
• 8:00
  to
• 8:00
  dominate
• 8:01
  its
• 8:02
  perceived
• 8:02
  enemies.
• 8:03
  And
• 8:04
  those
• 8:04
  are
• 8:04
  some,
• 8:05
  I
• 8:05
  think,
• 8:05
  hallmark
• 8:06
  pieces
• 8:06
  of
• 8:06
  authoritarianism.
• 8:08
  Yeah,
• 8:09
  and
• 8:09
  so
• 8:09
  please.
• 8:10
  Yeah,
• 8:10
  so
• 8:11
  with
• 8:11
  that.
• 8:11
  So
• 8:12
  one
• 8:12
  piece
• 8:13
  from
• 8:13
  the,
• 8:13
  you
• 8:13
  know,
• 8:13
  I'll
• 8:13
  go
• 8:14
  through
• 8:14
  all
• 8:14
  12
• 8:14
  and
• 8:15
  just
• 8:15
  mention
• 8:15
  some
• 8:16
  pieces
• 8:16
  that
• 8:16
  reflect
• 8:18
  sort
• 8:18
  of
• 8:18
  what
• 8:18
  John
• 8:19
  said.
• 8:19
  So
• 8:20
  one,
• 8:20
  Authoritarianism
• 8:21
  stifles
• 8:22
  dissent
• 8:22
  in
• 8:22
  speech.
• 8:24
  So
• 8:24
  using
• 8:24
  the
• 8:25
  Federal
• 8:25
  Communications
• 8:27
  Commission
• 8:27
  to
• 8:28
  stifle
• 8:28
  Jimmy
• 8:29
  Kimmel
• 8:29
  to
• 8:30
  pressure
• 8:31
  different
• 8:31
  TV
• 8:32
  stations
• 8:32
  to
• 8:32
  act
• 8:33
  in
• 8:33
  certain
• 8:33
  way.
• 8:34
  Revoking
• 8:35
  visas
• 8:36
  on
• 8:36
  college
• 8:37
  students
• 8:37
  who
• 8:38
  were
• 8:38
  outspoken
• 8:39
  on
• 8:39
  the
• 8:39
  issue
• 8:40
  of
• 8:40
  Gaza,
• 8:41
  you
• 8:41
  know,
• 8:42
  criticizing
• 8:43
  judges
• 8:44
  that
• 8:44
  rule
• 8:45
  against
• 8:46
  him
• 8:47
  and
• 8:47
  then
• 8:48
  make
• 8:48
  them
• 8:49
  targets
• 8:49
  of
• 8:50
  their
• 8:50
  MAGA
• 8:51
  crowd.
• 8:52
  In
• 8:52
  fact,
• 8:52
  11
• 8:53
  federal
• 8:53
  judges
• 8:54
  and
• 8:54
  their
• 8:54
  families
• 8:55
  have
• 8:55
  been
• 8:55
  threatened.
• 8:57
  That's
• 8:58
  one.
• 8:58
  2.
• 8:59
  An
• 8:59
  authoritarian
• 9:00
  present
• 9:01
  persecutes
• 9:01
  political
• 9:02
  opponents.
• 9:03
  So
• 9:03
  to
• 9:04
  John's
• 9:04
  point,
• 9:04
  he
• 9:05
  secured
• 9:05
  indictments
• 9:06
  against
• 9:06
  James
• 9:07
  Comey
• 9:07
  and
• 9:08
  Letitia
• 9:09
  James.
• 9:10
  Those
• 9:10
  indictments
• 9:11
  have
• 9:11
  been
• 9:11
  dismissed
• 9:12
  because
• 9:13
  they
• 9:13
  hired
• 9:14
  the
• 9:14
  prosecutor
• 9:15
  who
• 9:15
  was
• 9:15
  hired,
• 9:16
  went
• 9:16
  about
• 9:16
  their
• 9:17
  job
• 9:17
  in
• 9:17
  the
• 9:17
  wrong
• 9:17
  way.
• 9:18
  But
• 9:18
  he's
• 9:18
  ordered
• 9:19
  investigations
• 9:20
  of
• 9:20
  Adam
• 9:20
  Schiff,
• 9:21
  Senator,
• 9:22
  and
• 9:23
  he's
• 9:23
  outed.
• 9:24
  He's
• 9:24
  gotten
• 9:24
  rid
• 9:24
  of
• 9:25
  employees
• 9:26
  in
• 9:26
  the
• 9:26
  FBI
• 9:27
  and
• 9:27
  the
• 9:28
  prosecutors,
• 9:28
  various
• 9:29
  prosecutor's
• 9:29
  office,
• 9:30
  Attorney
• 9:30
  general's
• 9:31
  office
• 9:31
  who
• 9:32
  were
• 9:32
  part
• 9:32
  of
• 9:33
  investigations
• 9:34
  on
• 9:34
  him.
• 9:35
  Three,
• 9:35
  an
• 9:36
  authoritarian
• 9:36
  bypasses
• 9:37
  legislatures.
• 9:39
  So
• 9:39
  they
• 9:39
  say
• 9:40
  when
• 9:40
  a
• 9:40
  democracy
• 9:41
  slides
• 9:41
  towards
• 9:41
  autocracy,
• 9:43
  the
• 9:43
  leader
• 9:43
  finds
• 9:44
  ways
• 9:44
  to
• 9:44
  neuter
• 9:45
  the
• 9:45
  legislature.
• 9:46
  We've
• 9:47
  seen
• 9:47
  that,
• 9:48
  you
• 9:48
  know,
• 9:48
  he's
• 9:49
  basically
• 9:49
  Congress
• 9:50
  has
• 9:50
  given
• 9:51
  themselves
• 9:51
  up
• 9:52
  with
• 9:52
  Republican
• 9:53
  rule
• 9:54
  to
• 9:54
  his
• 9:54
  authority.
• 9:55
  So
• 9:56
  he's
• 9:56
  bypassed
• 9:57
  Congress
• 9:57
  for
• 9:57
  tariffs,
• 9:58
  where
• 9:58
  tariffs
• 9:59
  are
• 9:59
  supposed
• 9:59
  to
• 9:59
  live
• 10:00
  from,
• 10:00
  and.
• 10:00
  Ignoring
• 10:01
  court
• 10:01
  orders,
• 10:02
  I
• 10:02
  might
• 10:02
  add,
• 10:03
  doesn't
• 10:03
  do
• 10:03
  it.
• 10:03
  We're
• 10:03
  going
• 10:04
  to
• 10:04
  get
• 10:04
  to
• 10:04
  that.
• 10:04
  Oh,
• 10:05
  sorry,
• 10:05
  I'm
• 10:05
  jumping
• 10:05
  ahead.
• 10:06
  No,
• 10:06
  that's
• 10:06
  actually
• 10:07
  one
• 10:07
  of
• 10:07
  the
• 10:07
  hallmarks
• 10:08
  of
• 10:08
  an
• 10:08
  authoritarian.
• 10:10
  Authoritarians
• 10:11
  4
• 10:11
  uses
• 10:12
  military
• 10:13
  for
• 10:13
  domestic
• 10:14
  control.
• 10:14
  John,
• 10:15
  you
• 10:15
  mentioned
• 10:15
  this
• 10:16
  using
• 10:16
  the
• 10:16
  National
• 10:17
  Guard
• 10:17
  in
• 10:17
  LA
• 10:18
  and
• 10:19
  attempted
• 10:19
  the
• 10:19
  same
• 10:20
  in
• 10:20
  Chicago
• 10:21
  and
• 10:21
  Portland.
• 10:23
  He's
• 10:23
  fired
• 10:24
  high
• 10:24
  ranking
• 10:24
  officials
• 10:25
  that
• 10:25
  have
• 10:26
  shown
• 10:26
  disagreements
• 10:27
  with
• 10:28
  him
• 10:28
  in
• 10:28
  the
• 10:28
  military.
• 10:29
  He
• 10:29
  summoned
• 10:30
  hundreds
• 10:31
  of
• 10:31
  military
• 10:31
  leaders
• 10:32
  to
• 10:32
  Virginia
• 10:33
  for
• 10:34
  political
• 10:34
  speech
• 10:35
  and
• 10:35
  rally.
• 10:37
  5.
• 10:37
  An
• 10:37
  authoritarian
• 10:38
  defies
• 10:39
  the
• 10:39
  courts
• 10:40
  to
• 10:40
  John's
• 10:41
  points.
• 10:41
  And
• 10:42
  he
• 10:42
  started
• 10:42
  to
• 10:42
  do
• 10:42
  those
• 10:43
  things.
• 10:43
  He
• 10:43
  ignored
• 10:43
  a
• 10:44
  federal
• 10:44
  judge's
• 10:44
  order
• 10:45
  to
• 10:45
  turn
• 10:46
  around
• 10:46
  planes
• 10:47
  that
• 10:47
  were
• 10:47
  deporting
• 10:47
  migrants
• 10:48
  to
• 10:48
  El
• 10:48
  Salvador.
• 10:50
  When
• 10:50
  he
• 10:51
  was
• 10:51
  blocked
• 10:52
  by
• 10:52
  a
• 10:53
  judge
• 10:53
  for
• 10:54
  bringing
• 10:54
  in
• 10:54
  the
• 10:55
  Oregon
• 10:55
  National
• 10:55
  Guard
• 10:56
  to
• 10:56
  Portland,
• 10:56
  he
• 10:57
  went
• 10:58
  around
• 10:58
  that
• 10:58
  and
• 10:58
  deployed
• 10:59
  the
• 10:59
  National
• 11:00
  Guard
• 11:00
  from
• 11:00
  other
• 11:01
  states.
• 11:02
  6.
• 11:03
  An
• 11:03
  authoritarian
• 11:03
  declares
• 11:04
  national
• 11:04
  emergencies
• 11:05
  on
• 11:05
  false
• 11:06
  pretenses.
• 11:08
  The
• 11:08
  whole
• 11:08
  thing
• 11:08
  with
• 11:09
  tariffs
• 11:10
  is
• 11:10
  based
• 11:10
  on
• 11:10
  this
• 11:11
  idea
• 11:11
  of
• 11:11
  a
• 11:12
  national
• 11:12
  emergency.
• 11:13
  And
• 11:13
  that's
• 11:13
  now
• 11:13
  before
• 11:14
  the
• 11:14
  Supreme
• 11:14
  Court.
• 11:15
  But
• 11:15
  historically
• 11:16
  presidents
• 11:17
  aren't
• 11:17
  able
• 11:18
  to
• 11:19
  make
• 11:19
  tariffs
• 11:20
  on
• 11:20
  their
• 11:20
  own.
• 11:20
  They
• 11:20
  have
• 11:21
  to.
• 11:21
  They
• 11:21
  can't
• 11:22
  levy
• 11:22
  taxes
• 11:22
  according
• 11:23
  to
• 11:23
  the
• 11:23
  Constitution
• 11:24
  and
• 11:24
  tariffs.
• 11:26
  That's
• 11:26
  right.
• 11:28
  7.
• 11:28
  An
• 11:28
  authoritarian
• 11:29
  vilifies
• 11:30
  marginalized
• 11:30
  groups.
• 11:31
  John,
• 11:31
  you
• 11:31
  mentioned
• 11:32
  this.
• 11:32
  He
• 11:33
  just
• 11:33
  did
• 11:33
  it
• 11:34
  the
• 11:34
  other
• 11:34
  day
• 11:35
  with
• 11:35
  Somalians.
• 11:36
  He's
• 11:37
  blamed
• 11:37
  immigrants
• 11:38
  for
• 11:38
  destroying
• 11:39
  communities,
• 11:40
  fired
• 11:40
  women
• 11:41
  and
• 11:41
  people
• 11:41
  of
• 11:41
  color
• 11:42
  for
• 11:42
  leadership
• 11:43
  positions,
• 11:44
  attempted
• 11:45
  to
• 11:45
  erase
• 11:46
  parts
• 11:46
  of
• 11:46
  black
• 11:47
  history
• 11:48
  books
• 11:48
  that
• 11:49
  deal
• 11:49
  with
• 11:49
  slavery
• 11:50
  and
• 11:50
  segregation
• 11:51
  from
• 11:51
  military
• 11:51
  libraries.
• 11:53
  8.
• 11:54
  An
• 11:54
  authoritarian
• 11:55
  controlled
• 11:56
  information
• 11:56
  in
• 11:56
  the
• 11:57
  news
• 11:57
  media.
• 11:58
  We've
• 11:59
  seen
• 11:59
  he
• 11:59
  sought
• 12:00
  to
• 12:00
  manipulate
• 12:01
  government
• 12:01
  information.
• 12:03
  He
• 12:03
  fired
• 12:03
  the
• 12:03
  head
• 12:04
  of
• 12:04
  labor
• 12:05
  statistics,
• 12:06
  pushed
• 12:07
  Congress
• 12:08
  to
• 12:08
  end
• 12:08
  funding
• 12:09
  for
• 12:09
  public
• 12:09
  radio.
• 12:11
  You
• 12:11
  know,
• 12:11
  forced
• 12:12
  and
• 12:12
  obviously
• 12:13
  some
• 12:13
  of
• 12:13
  the
• 12:14
  force
• 12:14
  with
• 12:14
  the
• 12:14
  media,
• 12:15
  with
• 12:15
  the
• 12:15
  FCC
• 12:16
  that
• 12:16
  we
• 12:17
  talked
• 12:17
  about
• 12:17
  with
• 12:17
  Jimmy
• 12:18
  Kimmel
• 12:18
  and
• 12:18
  beyond.
• 12:19
  Number
• 12:20
  nine.
• 12:20
  An
• 12:20
  authoritarian
• 12:21
  tries
• 12:21
  to
• 12:21
  take
• 12:22
  over
• 12:22
  universities.
• 12:23
  John,
• 12:24
  you
• 12:24
  mentioned
• 12:24
  this.
• 12:24
  He's
• 12:25
  cut
• 12:25
  millions
• 12:25
  of
• 12:25
  dollars
• 12:26
  of
• 12:26
  research
• 12:27
  funding
• 12:28
  and
• 12:28
  tried
• 12:28
  to
• 12:29
  dictate
• 12:29
  the
• 12:29
  hiring
• 12:30
  and
• 12:30
  admissions
• 12:31
  policies
• 12:32
  at
• 12:32
  various
• 12:33
  universities.
• 12:34
  Even
• 12:34
  was
• 12:34
  able
• 12:34
  to
• 12:35
  force
• 12:35
  the
• 12:36
  resignation
• 12:37
  of
• 12:37
  the
• 12:37
  president
• 12:38
  of
• 12:38
  the
• 12:38
  University
• 12:39
  of
• 12:39
  Virginia.
• 12:40
  An
• 12:41
  authoritarian.
• 12:41
  Number
• 12:42
  10
• 12:42
  creates
• 12:42
  a
• 12:43
  cult
• 12:43
  of
• 12:43
  personality.
• 12:45
  He
• 12:45
  had
• 12:45
  that
• 12:45
  lavish
• 12:46
  military
• 12:46
  parade
• 12:47
  on
• 12:47
  his
• 12:48
  birthday,
• 12:49
  memes
• 12:49
  with
• 12:50
  crowns
• 12:50
  on
• 12:50
  his
• 12:51
  head,
• 12:52
  etc.
• 12:53
  Number
• 12:53
  11,
• 12:54
  an
• 12:54
  authoritarian
• 12:55
  uses
• 12:56
  power
• 12:56
  for
• 12:56
  personal
• 12:56
  profit.
• 12:58
  He
• 12:58
  actually
• 12:58
  charges
• 12:59
  The
• 12:59
  Secret
• 13:00
  Service
• 13:01
  $1200
• 13:02
  a
• 13:02
  night
• 13:03
  to
• 13:03
  stay
• 13:03
  at
• 13:04
  his
• 13:04
  hotels.
• 13:04
  While
• 13:05
  protecting
• 13:05
  him.
• 13:07
  I
• 13:07
  didn't
• 13:07
  know
• 13:07
  that.
• 13:08
  Oh,
• 13:08
  dancing.
• 13:12
  That's
• 13:12
  really
• 13:12
  bad.
• 13:12
  Amazon
• 13:13
  paid
• 13:14
  $40
• 13:14
  million
• 13:15
  for
• 13:15
  the
• 13:15
  rights
• 13:15
  to
• 13:16
  Melania's
• 13:17
  documentary.
• 13:20
  Solicits
• 13:21
  favors
• 13:22
  from
• 13:22
  four
• 13:22
  governments
• 13:23
  like
• 13:23
  Qatar
• 13:24
  with
• 13:24
  the
• 13:24
  plane.
• 13:25
  Yeah,
• 13:25
  $400
• 13:26
  million
• 13:26
  airplane.
• 13:27
  Right,
• 13:28
  that
• 13:28
  he
• 13:28
  gets
• 13:28
  to
• 13:29
  keep
• 13:29
  with
• 13:29
  him
• 13:29
  after
• 13:30
  he
• 13:30
  leaves
• 13:30
  and
• 13:30
  goes
• 13:30
  to
• 13:30
  his
• 13:31
  library.
• 13:32
  I
• 13:32
  mean
• 13:32
  seriously,
• 13:34
  all
• 13:34
  the
• 13:34
  pardons
• 13:35
  that
• 13:35
  he's
• 13:35
  done
• 13:36
  with
• 13:36
  crypto,
• 13:37
  people
• 13:37
  that
• 13:38
  went
• 13:38
  to
• 13:38
  jail,
• 13:38
  that
• 13:39
  have
• 13:39
  promised
• 13:40
  to
• 13:41
  profit
• 13:41
  his
• 13:42
  cryptocurrency
• 13:43
  involvement,
• 13:44
  and
• 13:44
  then
• 13:45
  an
• 13:45
  authoritarian
• 13:46
  manipulates
• 13:47
  the
• 13:47
  law
• 13:47
  to
• 13:48
  stay
• 13:48
  in
• 13:48
  power.
• 13:48
  So
• 13:49
  we
• 13:50
  see
• 13:51
  as
• 13:51
  Judge
• 13:52
  Michael
• 13:52
  Ludig
• 13:52
  wrote
• 13:53
  a
• 13:53
  piece
• 13:53
  in
• 13:54
  the
• 13:54
  Atlantic
• 13:55
  called
• 13:55
  the
• 13:56
  president
• 13:56
  for
• 13:56
  life
• 13:57
  as
• 13:58
  he
• 13:58
  has
• 13:58
  threatened
• 13:59
  to
• 13:59
  try
• 13:59
  to
• 14:00
  stay
• 14:00
  in
• 14:00
  power
• 14:01
  beyond
• 14:01
  and
• 14:02
  the
• 14:02
  lengths
• 14:03
  that
• 14:03
  he's
• 14:03
  gone
• 14:03
  to
• 14:04
  gerrymander
• 14:05
  various
• 14:06
  states
• 14:07
  so
• 14:08
  that
• 14:08
  he
• 14:09
  can
• 14:09
  maintain
• 14:09
  power
• 14:11
  even
• 14:11
  if
• 14:11
  he
• 14:11
  loses
• 14:12
  an
• 14:12
  election,
• 14:13
  as
• 14:13
  JD
• 14:14
  Vance
• 14:14
  has
• 14:14
  already
• 14:15
  pledged
• 14:15
  to
• 14:15
  do,
• 14:15
  what
• 14:16
  Mike
• 14:16
  Pence
• 14:16
  didn't
• 14:17
  do,
• 14:17
  which
• 14:17
  was
• 14:18
  to
• 14:18
  not
• 14:18
  accept
• 14:19
  the
• 14:19
  electors
• 14:20
  from
• 14:21
  the
• 14:21
  various
• 14:22
  states.
• 14:22
  So
• 14:23
  Those
• 14:23
  are
• 14:23
  the
• 14:23
  12
• 14:24
  hallmarks
• 14:25
  and
• 14:25
  those
• 14:25
  are
• 14:26
  some
• 14:26
  examples
• 14:27
  of
• 14:28
  where
• 14:28
  Donald
• 14:29
  Trump
• 14:29
  is
• 14:29
  pushing
• 14:30
  us
• 14:30
  in
• 14:30
  that
• 14:31
  direction.
• 14:31
  And,
• 14:32
  and
• 14:32
  I
• 14:32
  don't
• 14:33
  want
• 14:33
  to
• 14:33
  say
• 14:33
  that
• 14:33
  we're
• 14:34
  there
• 14:34
  because
• 14:35
  we're
• 14:35
  not
• 14:35
  there.
• 14:35
  We
• 14:36
  have
• 14:36
  a
• 14:37
  strong
• 14:37
  press.
• 14:38
  We're
• 14:39
  seeing
• 14:39
  some
• 14:39
  pushback
• 14:40
  in
• 14:40
  various
• 14:41
  areas.
• 14:41
  We're
• 14:41
  seeing
• 14:42
  elections
• 14:42
  that
• 14:43
  are
• 14:43
  running
• 14:44
  smoothly
• 14:45
  and
• 14:45
  fairly.
• 14:46
  We
• 14:46
  just
• 14:46
  saw
• 14:47
  some,
• 14:47
  you
• 14:47
  know,
• 14:47
  10
• 14:48
  Democrats
• 14:49
  win
• 14:50
  in
• 14:50
  November,
• 14:51
  close
• 14:52
  elections
• 14:52
  in
• 14:53
  Tennessee.
• 14:53
  Nobody's
• 14:54
  questioning
• 14:55
  those
• 14:55
  elections.
• 14:56
  States
• 14:57
  are
• 14:57
  still
• 14:57
  running
• 14:58
  as
• 14:58
  they
• 14:59
  are.
• 14:59
  We're
• 14:59
  even
• 14:59
  seeing
• 15:00
  some
• 15:00
  Republicans
• 15:01
  now
• 15:01
  pushing
• 15:01
  back
• 15:02
  at
• 15:03
  Peter
• 15:03
  Hegseth
• 15:04
  and
• 15:04
  some
• 15:04
  of
• 15:04
  the
• 15:04
  acts,
• 15:06
  international
• 15:06
  waters,
• 15:07
  they're
• 15:07
  holding
• 15:08
  some
• 15:08
  hearings.
• 15:09
  So,
• 15:09
  you
• 15:09
  know,
• 15:09
  I
• 15:10
  do
• 15:10
  want
• 15:10
  to
• 15:11
  emphasize
• 15:12
  that
• 15:12
  as
• 15:12
  well.
• 15:13
  But,
• 15:14
  you
• 15:14
  know,
• 15:14
  the
• 15:14
  evidence
• 15:15
  isn't
• 15:15
  good
• 15:16
  and
• 15:16
  it's
• 15:17
  certainly
• 15:17
  unprecedented
• 15:18
  in
• 15:19
  our
• 15:19
  lifetimes.
• 15:20
  To
• 15:20
  see
• 15:20
  this
• 15:21
  on
• 15:21
  a
• 15:21
  positive
• 15:22
  note.
• 15:22
  Congress
• 15:23
  and
• 15:23
  Senate,
• 15:23
  the
• 15:23
  House
• 15:24
  almost
• 15:24
  voted
• 15:25
  unanimously
• 15:26
  to
• 15:26
  release
• 15:27
  the
• 15:27
  Epstein
• 15:27
  files.
• 15:28
  And
• 15:29
  that
• 15:29
  was
• 15:29
  the
• 15:29
  first,
• 15:29
  I
• 15:30
  never
• 15:30
  thought
• 15:30
  they'd
• 15:30
  do
• 15:30
  it.
• 15:31
  That's
• 15:31
  the
• 15:31
  first
• 15:31
  time
• 15:32
  that
• 15:32
  Republicans
• 15:32
  really
• 15:33
  voted
• 15:33
  against
• 15:33
  something
• 15:33
  that
• 15:34
  he
• 15:34
  was
• 15:34
  very,
• 15:35
  very
• 15:35
  scared
• 15:36
  about
• 15:36
  or
• 15:36
  really
• 15:37
  wanted
• 15:37
  to
• 15:37
  happen.
• 15:37
  And
• 15:38
  my,
• 15:39
  my
• 15:39
  fear
• 15:39
  is
• 15:40
  as
• 15:41
  more
• 15:41
  smoking
• 15:42
  guns.
• 15:42
  I
• 15:42
  mean,
• 15:42
  how
• 15:42
  many
• 15:43
  smoking
• 15:43
  guns
• 15:43
  do
• 15:44
  you
• 15:44
  need
• 15:45
  before,
• 15:45
  you
• 15:45
  know,
• 15:45
  there
• 15:45
  was
• 15:45
  a
• 15:45
  gun
• 15:46
  battle?
• 15:46
  Right.
• 15:46
  It's
• 15:47
  just
• 15:47
  getting
• 15:47
  so
• 15:47
  thick.
• 15:48
  But
• 15:48
  I
• 15:49
  think
• 15:49
  because
• 15:49
  of
• 15:49
  his
• 15:49
  fear
• 15:50
  of
• 15:50
  that,
• 15:50
  he'll
• 15:51
  try
• 15:51
  to
• 15:51
  do
• 15:51
  things
• 15:52
  to
• 15:52
  distract
• 15:53
  from
• 15:54
  that
• 15:54
  overwhelming
• 15:55
  issue
• 15:55
  that
• 15:55
  comes
• 15:56
  up
• 15:56
  day
• 15:56
  after
• 15:56
  day,
• 15:57
  like
• 15:57
  going
• 15:57
  to
• 15:57
  war
• 15:58
  with
• 15:58
  Venezuela
• 15:59
  or
• 15:59
  some
• 16:00
  other
• 16:00
  crises
• 16:01
  to
• 16:01
  just
• 16:02
  make
• 16:02
  it
• 16:02
  about
• 16:03
  something
• 16:03
  else
• 16:03
  besides
• 16:04
  him
• 16:04
  and
• 16:04
  his
• 16:04
  past
• 16:05
  crimes,
• 16:05
  associations
• 16:06
  and
• 16:06
  sins.
• 16:07
  It's
• 16:07
  a
• 16:08
  thought.
• 16:08
  Yeah,
• 16:09
  I
• 16:09
  think
• 16:09
  that,
• 16:09
  that
• 16:10
  I
• 16:10
  do.
• 16:10
  I'm
• 16:10
  open
• 16:10
  to
• 16:11
  talking
• 16:11
  about
• 16:11
  the
• 16:11
  Epstein
• 16:12
  situation
• 16:12
  a
• 16:12
  little
• 16:13
  bit
• 16:14
  because
• 16:14
  I
• 16:14
  think
• 16:14
  actually
• 16:15
  it's
• 16:15
  somewhat
• 16:16
  emblematic
• 16:17
  of
• 16:17
  our
• 16:18
  issues
• 16:18
  that
• 16:18
  we're
• 16:19
  facing
• 16:19
  and
• 16:19
  why
• 16:20
  we're
• 16:20
  devolving
• 16:21
  in
• 16:22
  many
• 16:22
  ways
• 16:22
  as
• 16:22
  we
• 16:23
  get
• 16:23
  caught
• 16:23
  up
• 16:24
  in
• 16:24
  conspiracy
• 16:25
  theories
• 16:26
  and
• 16:26
  our
• 16:27
  distrust
• 16:28
  of
• 16:28
  government.
• 16:29
  And
• 16:29
  so
• 16:30
  there's
• 16:30
  some
• 16:30
  issues
• 16:30
  there.
• 16:31
  There's
• 16:31
  some
• 16:31
  real
• 16:31
  issues
• 16:31
  there
• 16:32
  because
• 16:32
  Epstein
• 16:33
  is
• 16:34
  a
• 16:34
  part
• 16:34
  of
• 16:34
  these
• 16:34
  elite
• 16:35
  circles
• 16:35
  and
• 16:36
  some
• 16:36
  of
• 16:36
  these
• 16:36
  elite
• 16:36
  folks
• 16:37
  did
• 16:37
  some
• 16:37
  really
• 16:37
  terrible
• 16:38
  things.
• 16:39
  But
• 16:39
  the
• 16:40
  kind
• 16:40
  of
• 16:41
  conspiracy,
• 16:42
  the
• 16:42
  QAnon
• 16:44
  based
• 16:44
  conspiracy,
• 16:45
  theft
• 16:45
  stuff,
• 16:46
  I'm
• 16:46
  going
• 16:46
  to
• 16:46
  get
• 16:46
  into
• 16:46
  a
• 16:47
  little
• 16:47
  later
• 16:47
  is
• 16:47
  kind
• 16:47
  of
• 16:48
  part
• 16:48
  of
• 16:48
  our
• 16:49
  problem
• 16:49
  that
• 16:50
  we
• 16:50
  need
• 16:50
  to
• 16:50
  face.
• 16:51
  But
• 16:51
  just
• 16:51
  to
• 16:51
  finish
• 16:52
  on
• 16:52
  the
• 16:52
  democracy
• 16:53
  front,
• 16:53
  I
• 16:54
  wanted
• 16:55
  to,
• 16:55
  like,
• 16:55
  talk
• 16:55
  about
• 16:56
  how
• 16:56
  we
• 16:57
  internally
• 16:57
  see
• 16:58
  ourselves
• 16:59
  in
• 16:59
  terms
• 16:59
  of
• 16:59
  our
• 16:59
  democracy
• 17:00
  and
• 17:00
  so
• 17:01
  that,
• 17:01
  you
• 17:01
  know,
• 17:01
  there's
• 17:01
  the
• 17:02
  objective,
• 17:03
  outside
• 17:03
  evidence.
• 17:04
  But
• 17:04
  what.
• 17:04
  How
• 17:04
  do
• 17:05
  we
• 17:05
  see
• 17:05
  it
• 17:05
  ourselves
• 17:06
  in
• 17:06
  terms
• 17:07
  internally?
• 17:08
  So
• 17:08
  half
• 17:08
  of
• 17:08
  us
• 17:09
  believe
• 17:10
  democracy
• 17:11
  is
• 17:11
  functioning
• 17:11
  poorly
• 17:12
  in
• 17:12
  our
• 17:12
  country
• 17:13
  at
• 17:13
  this
• 17:14
  point,
• 17:14
  and
• 17:15
  a
• 17:15
  quarter
• 17:15
  of
• 17:16
  us
• 17:16
  think
• 17:16
  it's
• 17:17
  performing
• 17:18
  well.
• 17:19
  But
• 17:20
  fortunately,
• 17:20
  two
• 17:21
  thirds
• 17:21
  of
• 17:21
  us
• 17:21
  think
• 17:22
  it's
• 17:22
  the
• 17:23
  best
• 17:23
  form
• 17:23
  of
• 17:23
  government.
• 17:25
  But
• 17:26
  4
• 17:26
  in
• 17:27
  10
• 17:27
  of
• 17:27
  us
• 17:27
  don't
• 17:28
  believe
• 17:28
  our
• 17:28
  leaders
• 17:29
  are
• 17:30
  committed
• 17:30
  to
• 17:31
  the
• 17:31
  principles
• 17:31
  of
• 17:32
  democracy.
• 17:33
  And
• 17:34
  only
• 17:34
  one
• 17:35
  in
• 17:35
  four
• 17:35
  of
• 17:35
  us
• 17:35
  believe
• 17:36
  that
• 17:36
  government
• 17:37
  decisions
• 17:37
  reflect
• 17:38
  a
• 17:38
  majority
• 17:39
  of
• 17:39
  what
• 17:39
  the
• 17:39
  people
• 17:39
  want
• 17:40
  done.
• 17:40
  So
• 17:41
  there
• 17:41
  is.
• 17:42
  On
• 17:42
  the
• 17:42
  internal
• 17:43
  side
• 17:43
  of
• 17:43
  us,
• 17:44
  we're
• 17:45
  struggling
• 17:45
  with
• 17:46
  democracy
• 17:47
  and
• 17:48
  feeling
• 17:48
  like
• 17:48
  it's
• 17:48
  actually
• 17:49
  representative
• 17:50
  of
• 17:50
  who
• 17:51
  we
• 17:51
  are.
• 17:51
  And.
• 17:52
  And
• 17:52
  that's
• 17:53
  important,
• 17:53
  too,
• 17:54
  because
• 17:54
  that
• 17:55
  leads
• 17:55
  to
• 17:56
  the
• 17:56
  distrust
• 17:57
  that
• 17:57
  I
• 17:57
  just
• 17:58
  mentioned
• 17:59
  and
• 17:59
  distrust
• 18:00
  of
• 18:00
  institutions
• 18:01
  and
• 18:01
  the
• 18:01
  ability
• 18:01
  to
• 18:02
  solve
• 18:02
  our
• 18:02
  problems,
• 18:03
  which
• 18:04
  is
• 18:05
  leading
• 18:05
  us
• 18:05
  towards
• 18:06
  this
• 18:06
  kind
• 18:07
  of
• 18:07
  devolution
• 18:07
  that
• 18:08
  I
• 18:08
  talked
• 18:08
  about.
• 18:09
  I'll
• 18:09
  stop
• 18:09
  there
• 18:09
  and
• 18:10
  see
• 18:10
  if
• 18:10
  you
• 18:10
  guys
• 18:10
  have
• 18:10
  any
• 18:10
  questions.
• 18:12
  Yeah.
• 18:12
  There's
• 18:13
  an
• 18:13
  awful
• 18:13
  lot
• 18:13
  in
• 18:13
  what
• 18:14
  you've
• 18:14
  said,
• 18:14
  Mark,
• 18:14
  and
• 18:15
  I
• 18:15
  wonder
• 18:15
  if
• 18:15
  you.
• 18:16
  If
• 18:16
  you
• 18:16
  step
• 18:17
  back,
• 18:18
  what
• 18:19
  surprises
• 18:19
  you
• 18:20
  most?
• 18:21
  I'm
• 18:22
  shocked
• 18:22
  and
• 18:23
  surprised
• 18:24
  at
• 18:26
  how
• 18:27
  our
• 18:28
  mode
• 18:29
  of
• 18:29
  conversation
• 18:30
  has
• 18:30
  devolved,
• 18:32
  how
• 18:33
  the
• 18:33
  way
• 18:33
  that
• 18:34
  we
• 18:34
  treat
• 18:34
  each
• 18:34
  other
• 18:35
  has,
• 18:36
  in
• 18:36
  terms
• 18:36
  of
• 18:37
  this
• 18:37
  polarization,
• 18:38
  just
• 18:39
  the
• 18:39
  complete
• 18:40
  lack
• 18:41
  of
• 18:41
  trust
• 18:42
  to
• 18:42
  have
• 18:42
  a
• 18:43
  civil
• 18:43
  conversation
• 18:44
  to
• 18:44
  solve
• 18:45
  our
• 18:45
  problems.
• 18:46
  And
• 18:46
  so,
• 18:47
  just
• 18:47
  as
• 18:47
  an
• 18:48
  example,
• 18:49
  there
• 18:49
  was
• 18:49
  a
• 18:49
  great
• 18:49
  article
• 18:50
  in
• 18:50
  the
• 18:50
  Atlantic
• 18:51
  by
• 18:51
  Tom
• 18:52
  Nichols.
• 18:52
  He
• 18:53
  was
• 18:53
  describing
• 18:54
  how
• 18:55
  many
• 18:55
  of
• 18:55
  the
• 18:55
  people
• 18:55
  in
• 18:55
  the
• 18:56
  Trump
• 18:56
  administration
• 18:58
  act
• 18:58
  like
• 18:58
  toddlers.
• 18:59
  And
• 19:00
  so
• 19:01
  here's
• 19:01
  just
• 19:02
  some
• 19:02
  of
• 19:02
  the
• 19:02
  examples
• 19:03
  of
• 19:03
  that
• 19:03
  and
• 19:04
  how
• 19:04
  it
• 19:05
  leads
• 19:05
  to
• 19:06
  the
• 19:06
  corrosion
• 19:07
  of
• 19:07
  our
• 19:07
  democracy.
• 19:08
  The
• 19:08
  White
• 19:09
  House
• 19:09
  press
• 19:09
  secretary
• 19:10
  is
• 19:10
  asked
• 19:10
  about
• 19:11
  who
• 19:11
  planned
• 19:12
  a
• 19:12
  meeting
• 19:12
  between
• 19:12
  the
• 19:13
  Americans
• 19:14
  and
• 19:14
  Russian
• 19:14
  presidents.
• 19:15
  And
• 19:16
  she
• 19:16
  answers,
• 19:16
  your
• 19:17
  mom
• 19:17
  did.
• 19:18
  And
• 19:19
  the
• 19:19
  Secretary
• 19:19
  of
• 19:19
  Defense
• 19:20
  cancels
• 19:21
  DEI
• 19:22
  and
• 19:22
  other
• 19:22
  policies
• 19:23
  by
• 19:23
  saying,
• 19:24
  we're
• 19:24
  done
• 19:25
  with
• 19:25
  that
• 19:25
  shit.
• 19:27
  And
• 19:27
  the
• 19:27
  vice
• 19:27
  president,
• 19:28
  United
• 19:28
  States
• 19:28
  calls
• 19:29
  a
• 19:29
  person
• 19:29
  on
• 19:29
  social
• 19:30
  media
• 19:31
  a
• 19:31
  dipshit.
• 19:33
  And,
• 19:33
  you
• 19:33
  know,
• 19:34
  we
• 19:34
  have
• 19:34
  countless
• 19:35
  examples
• 19:35
  of
• 19:36
  Trump
• 19:37
  calling
• 19:38
  a
• 19:38
  reporter
• 19:38
  Miss
• 19:39
  Piggy
• 19:40
  and
• 19:40
  Sleepy
• 19:41
  Joe.
• 19:41
  He
• 19:42
  has
• 19:42
  an
• 19:42
  insult
• 19:43
  for
• 19:43
  everybody
• 19:43
  that
• 19:43
  comes
• 19:44
  his
• 19:44
  way.
• 19:44
  It's
• 19:45
  just
• 19:45
  on
• 19:45
  and
• 19:45
  on.
• 19:45
  We've
• 19:46
  never
• 19:46
  seen
• 19:46
  that
• 19:46
  before
• 19:47
  in
• 19:47
  our
• 19:47
  politics
• 19:48
  from
• 19:48
  the
• 19:48
  president.
• 19:49
  Yeah.
• 19:49
  So,
• 19:49
  you
• 19:50
  know,
• 19:50
  the
• 19:50
  dangers
• 19:50
  of
• 19:51
  kind
• 19:51
  of
• 19:52
  crash,
• 19:53
  crass
• 19:54
  deflection.
• 19:55
  Right.
• 19:56
  And
• 19:56
  allows
• 19:57
  this
• 19:57
  kind
• 19:57
  of
• 19:57
  immaturity,
• 19:59
  and
• 19:59
  in
• 19:59
  the
• 19:59
  process,
• 20:00
  it
• 20:00
  kind
• 20:00
  of
• 20:01
  numbs
• 20:01
  us
• 20:02
  to
• 20:02
  seeing
• 20:03
  how
• 20:03
  kind
• 20:03
  of
• 20:04
  corrupt,
• 20:05
  wrong,
• 20:05
  and
• 20:06
  gross
• 20:06
  it
• 20:07
  is.
• 20:07
  And
• 20:07
  so
• 20:08
  we
• 20:08
  kind
• 20:08
  of
• 20:08
  get
• 20:09
  numb
• 20:09
  to
• 20:09
  all
• 20:09
  of
• 20:10
  this.
• 20:10
  And
• 20:11
  so
• 20:11
  you
• 20:11
  have
• 20:11
  a
• 20:12
  president
• 20:12
  that's
• 20:13
  so
• 20:13
  crude
• 20:14
  and
• 20:14
  surrounds
• 20:15
  himself
• 20:16
  by
• 20:16
  sycophants
• 20:17
  that
• 20:18
  are
• 20:18
  equally
• 20:19
  as
• 20:19
  crude
• 20:21
  and
• 20:21
  probably
• 20:23
  not
• 20:23
  meritorious
• 20:24
  in
• 20:25
  terms
• 20:25
  of
• 20:25
  their
• 20:25
  ability
• 20:26
  to
• 20:26
  lead,
• 20:27
  to
• 20:27
  take
• 20:27
  on
• 20:27
  these
• 20:28
  roles,
• 20:28
  that
• 20:28
  they
• 20:28
  actually
• 20:29
  gain
• 20:30
  these
• 20:30
  roles
• 20:30
  not
• 20:31
  out
• 20:31
  of
• 20:32
  their
• 20:32
  ability,
• 20:33
  but
• 20:34
  out
• 20:34
  of
• 20:34
  their
• 20:34
  willingness
• 20:35
  to
• 20:35
  do
• 20:36
  and
• 20:36
  abide
• 20:37
  as
• 20:38
  the
• 20:38
  President
• 20:38
  wants.
• 20:39
  As
• 20:39
  you
• 20:39
  see
• 20:39
  in
• 20:40
  his
• 20:40
  cabinet
• 20:40
  meetings,
• 20:41
  which
• 20:41
  are
• 20:41
  basically
• 20:42
  sessions
• 20:43
  where
• 20:43
  everybody
• 20:44
  talks
• 20:44
  about
• 20:44
  how
• 20:45
  great
• 20:45
  the
• 20:46
  President
• 20:46
  is.
• 20:47
  Oh,
• 20:47
  God.
• 20:48
  And.
• 20:50
  It
• 20:50
  was
• 20:50
  like
• 20:50
  a
• 20:50
  Saddam
• 20:51
  Hussein
• 20:52
  cabinet
• 20:52
  meeting,
• 20:53
  you
• 20:53
  know,
• 20:53
  oh,
• 20:53
  glorious
• 20:54
  leader.
• 20:54
  You
• 20:55
  know,
• 20:55
  I
• 20:56
  think
• 20:56
  the
• 20:56
  last
• 20:56
  one,
• 20:56
  Kristi
• 20:57
  Noem,
• 20:57
  you
• 20:58
  know,
• 20:58
  thanked
• 20:58
  him
• 20:59
  from
• 20:59
  preventing
• 21:00
  hurricanes
• 21:01
  on
• 21:01
  her
• 21:02
  watch,
• 21:02
  that
• 21:02
  he
• 21:03
  was
• 21:03
  the
• 21:03
  blessed
• 21:04
  one
• 21:04
  that
• 21:05
  was
• 21:05
  able
• 21:05
  to
• 21:05
  prevent
• 21:06
  hurricanes.
• 21:08
  Really?
• 21:08
  That's
• 21:08
  impressive.
• 21:09
  I
• 21:09
  didn't
• 21:09
  know
• 21:10
  that.
• 21:10
  Yeah,
• 21:11
  yeah.
• 21:11
  If
• 21:12
  he
• 21:12
  can
• 21:12
  do
• 21:12
  that,
• 21:12
  that's
• 21:13
  actually
• 21:13
  pretty
• 21:13
  cool.
• 21:14
  You
• 21:14
  know,
• 21:14
  just
• 21:15
  to
• 21:15
  his
• 21:15
  credit.
• 21:16
  To
• 21:16
  his
• 21:16
  credit,
• 21:17
  Mark,
• 21:19
  I
• 21:19
  want
• 21:19
  to
• 21:19
  suggest
• 21:20
  a
• 21:21
  still
• 21:21
  larger
• 21:21
  perspective
• 21:22
  here,
• 21:22
  and
• 21:22
  that
• 21:23
  is
• 21:23
  you're
• 21:24
  talking
• 21:24
  about
• 21:24
  the
• 21:25
  tragedy
• 21:25
  of
• 21:26
  the
• 21:26
  decline
• 21:27
  in
• 21:27
  civil
• 21:28
  discourse
• 21:28
  and
• 21:29
  trust
• 21:30
  and
• 21:30
  what
• 21:31
  would
• 21:31
  be
• 21:31
  called
• 21:31
  social
• 21:32
  capital.
• 21:34
  And
• 21:34
  yes,
• 21:35
  that's
• 21:35
  clearly
• 21:36
  marked
• 21:36
  in
• 21:37
  the
• 21:37
  administration,
• 21:38
  but
• 21:38
  unfortunately,
• 21:39
  it's
• 21:40
  a
• 21:40
  symptom
• 21:41
  in
• 21:41
  our
• 21:41
  larger
• 21:42
  culture,
• 21:43
  which
• 21:43
  is,
• 21:44
  you
• 21:44
  know,
• 21:44
  and
• 21:44
  there's
• 21:44
  been
• 21:44
  this
• 21:45
  deterioration
• 21:45
  over
• 21:46
  the
• 21:46
  last
• 21:46
  decade
• 21:47
  or
• 21:47
  more,
• 21:47
  of
• 21:48
  which
• 21:48
  there
• 21:48
  are
• 21:49
  many
• 21:49
  causes,
• 21:50
  but
• 21:50
  certainly
• 21:50
  social
• 21:51
  media,
• 21:51
  with
• 21:51
  its
• 21:52
  algorithms
• 21:53
  which
• 21:53
  reward
• 21:53
  inflammatory
• 21:54
  comments
• 21:55
  and
• 21:55
  attacks
• 21:56
  and
• 21:56
  grievances
• 21:57
  and
• 21:57
  righteousness,
• 21:58
  et
• 21:58
  cetera,
• 21:59
  and
• 21:59
  polarization.
• 22:01
  You
• 22:01
  know,
• 22:01
  social
• 22:01
  media
• 22:02
  wasn't
• 22:02
  designed
• 22:03
  to
• 22:03
  treat
• 22:05
  political
• 22:05
  divisiveness
• 22:06
  and
• 22:06
  even
• 22:07
  massacres,
• 22:08
  but
• 22:09
  as
• 22:09
  it
• 22:09
  has
• 22:09
  in
• 22:09
  other
• 22:09
  countries,
• 22:10
  but
• 22:11
  it
• 22:11
  does.
• 22:11
  And
• 22:12
  so
• 22:12
  there's
• 22:13
  this
• 22:13
  larger
• 22:14
  issue
• 22:14
  which
• 22:14
  is
• 22:14
  being
• 22:15
  in
• 22:15
  some
• 22:15
  ways
• 22:16
  used
• 22:16
  rather
• 22:17
  skillfully
• 22:18
  by
• 22:18
  the
• 22:18
  current
• 22:19
  administration.
• 22:21
  Yeah,
• 22:21
  absolutely.
• 22:22
  I
• 22:22
  mean,
• 22:23
  it's
• 22:23
  certainly.
• 22:24
  I
• 22:25
  think
• 22:25
  there's
• 22:26
  a
• 22:26
  lot
• 22:26
  of
• 22:26
  factors,
• 22:27
  Roger.
• 22:27
  I
• 22:28
  think
• 22:28
  social
• 22:29
  media
• 22:29
  is
• 22:29
  one
• 22:30
  of
• 22:30
  them.
• 22:30
  I
• 22:30
  think
• 22:30
  I
• 22:31
  want
• 22:31
  to
• 22:31
  talk
• 22:31
  about
• 22:32
  our
• 22:33
  lack
• 22:33
  of
• 22:33
  achievement
• 22:34
  in
• 22:34
  education
• 22:35
  as
• 22:35
  another
• 22:36
  piece,
• 22:36
  our
• 22:36
  lack
• 22:37
  of
• 22:37
  civic
• 22:38
  understanding.
• 22:39
  And
• 22:40
  want
• 22:40
  to
• 22:40
  talk
• 22:40
  about
• 22:40
  David
• 22:41
  Souter
• 22:41
  a
• 22:42
  little
• 22:42
  later,
• 22:42
  a
• 22:42
  late
• 22:42
  justice
• 22:43
  who
• 22:44
  really
• 22:45
  foretold
• 22:46
  about
• 22:47
  12,
• 22:47
  13
• 22:48
  years
• 22:48
  ago,
• 22:49
  some
• 22:49
  of
• 22:50
  the
• 22:50
  problems
• 22:51
  that
• 22:51
  we
• 22:51
  might
• 22:51
  be
• 22:52
  facing
• 22:52
  without
• 22:52
  a
• 22:53
  lack
• 22:53
  of
• 22:54
  civic
• 22:54
  understanding
• 22:55
  and
• 22:56
  taking
• 22:56
  on
• 22:56
  that
• 22:56
  responsibility.
• 22:57
  So
• 22:57
  I
• 22:58
  think
• 22:58
  it's.
• 22:58
  There
• 22:59
  are
• 22:59
  cultural
• 22:59
  pieces,
• 23:00
  there
• 23:00
  are
• 23:01
  systemic
• 23:02
  pieces,
• 23:02
  there
• 23:03
  are
• 23:03
  economic
• 23:03
  pieces,
• 23:05
  and
• 23:05
  there
• 23:05
  is,
• 23:06
  you
• 23:06
  know,
• 23:07
  a
• 23:07
  spiritual
• 23:08
  deprivation.
• 23:09
  I
• 23:09
  think
• 23:09
  in
• 23:10
  some
• 23:10
  ways
• 23:10
  where
• 23:11
  that
• 23:11
  the
• 23:12
  space
• 23:13
  to
• 23:13
  find
• 23:14
  deeper
• 23:14
  meaning
• 23:15
  is
• 23:15
  sometimes.
• 23:16
  It's
• 23:16
  certainly
• 23:17
  for
• 23:18
  a
• 23:18
  large
• 23:18
  part
• 23:18
  of
• 23:18
  the
• 23:19
  population
• 23:20
  not
• 23:20
  having
• 23:20
  the
• 23:20
  opportunity
• 23:21
  to
• 23:21
  do
• 23:21
  that
• 23:21
  while
• 23:22
  they
• 23:22
  face
• 23:23
  economic
• 23:23
  hard
• 23:24
  times,
• 23:24
  while
• 23:24
  they
• 23:25
  face
• 23:26
  the
• 23:26
  polarization
• 23:27
  of.
• 23:28
  Of
• 23:28
  cultural
• 23:29
  issues.
• 23:29
  And
• 23:30
  frankly,
• 23:30
  you
• 23:30
  know,
• 23:31
  when
• 23:32
  I.
• 23:32
  When
• 23:32
  I
• 23:32
  start
• 23:33
  to
• 23:33
  get
• 23:33
  down
• 23:33
  to
• 23:34
  the
• 23:34
  responsibility
• 23:35
  For
• 23:35
  a
• 23:35
  lot
• 23:36
  of
• 23:36
  this,
• 23:36
  you
• 23:37
  know,
• 23:37
  I,
• 23:37
  we
• 23:37
  start
• 23:38
  to
• 23:38
  point
• 23:38
  towards
• 23:38
  the
• 23:39
  elites
• 23:39
  and
• 23:40
  towards
• 23:41
  cultural
• 23:41
  elites
• 23:42
  and
• 23:43
  really
• 23:43
  paving
• 23:44
  the
• 23:44
  way
• 23:44
  for
• 23:45
  this
• 23:46
  Donald
• 23:46
  Trump
• 23:47
  reality
• 23:48
  that
• 23:48
  we
• 23:48
  face.
• 23:48
  I
• 23:49
  certainly
• 23:49
  don't
• 23:49
  think
• 23:49
  that's
• 23:50
  the.
• 23:50
  The
• 23:50
  whole
• 23:51
  part
• 23:51
  of
• 23:51
  the
• 23:51
  story,
• 23:51
  but
• 23:52
  it's
• 23:52
  a
• 23:52
  crucial
• 23:53
  piece
• 23:53
  that
• 23:53
  we
• 23:53
  need
• 23:53
  to
• 23:54
  deal
• 23:54
  with
• 23:55
  to
• 23:55
  kind
• 23:55
  of
• 23:56
  get
• 23:56
  at
• 23:57
  what
• 23:57
  our
• 23:58
  friend
• 23:58
  and
• 23:59
  mentor
• 23:59
  Ken
• 23:59
  Wilber
• 24:00
  talks
• 24:00
  about,
• 24:00
  the
• 24:00
  Prime
• 24:01
  Directive,
• 24:02
  which
• 24:02
  is
• 24:02
  to
• 24:03
  allow
• 24:04
  all
• 24:05
  stages
• 24:05
  of
• 24:06
  human
• 24:07
  consciousness
• 24:07
  to
• 24:08
  thrive
• 24:08
  and
• 24:09
  to
• 24:09
  be
• 24:10
  at
• 24:10
  healthy
• 24:11
  places
• 24:11
  to
• 24:12
  move
• 24:12
  forward.
• 24:12
  And
• 24:13
  unfortunately,
• 24:14
  some
• 24:14
  of
• 24:14
  our
• 24:14
  higher
• 24:15
  first
• 24:15
  stage
• 24:16
  places
• 24:17
  like
• 24:17
  postmodern,
• 24:18
  what
• 24:19
  some
• 24:19
  call
• 24:20
  the
• 24:20
  green
• 24:20
  meme,
• 24:21
  the
• 24:21
  mean
• 24:21
  green
• 24:22
  meme,
• 24:23
  has
• 24:23
  created,
• 24:24
  has
• 24:24
  stifled
• 24:25
  that
• 24:26
  space.
• 24:26
  But
• 24:26
  I
• 24:26
  do
• 24:26
  want
• 24:27
  to
• 24:27
  get
• 24:27
  into
• 24:27
  that
• 24:27
  a
• 24:28
  little
• 24:28
  bit
• 24:28
  later.
• 24:28
  But,
• 24:29
  you
• 24:29
  know,
• 24:30
  yes,
• 24:30
  social
• 24:30
  media
• 24:31
  is
• 24:31
  a
• 24:31
  part
• 24:31
  of
• 24:32
  this,
• 24:32
  and
• 24:33
  it's
• 24:33
  a
• 24:33
  part
• 24:33
  of,
• 24:34
  I
• 24:34
  think,
• 24:34
  our
• 24:34
  lack
• 24:34
  of
• 24:35
  achievement
• 24:35
  as
• 24:35
  well
• 24:36
  that
• 24:36
  I
• 24:36
  want
• 24:36
  to
• 24:37
  talk
• 24:37
  about.
• 24:37
  But
• 24:38
  I
• 24:38
  want
• 24:38
  to
• 24:38
  finish
• 24:38
  a
• 24:39
  little
• 24:39
  bit
• 24:39
  more
• 24:39
  on
• 24:40
  if
• 24:40
  this
• 24:41
  is
• 24:41
  okay
• 24:41
  with
• 24:41
  you
• 24:41
  guys
• 24:42
  on
• 24:43
  this
• 24:43
  idea,
• 24:44
  you
• 24:44
  know,
• 24:44
  this
• 24:44
  crassness,
• 24:45
  because
• 24:46
  there's
• 24:46
  another
• 24:46
  piece
• 24:47
  of
• 24:47
  it,
• 24:47
  too
• 24:47
  on
• 24:47
  a.
• 24:48
  Sharon
• 24:48
  wrote
• 24:49
  a
• 24:49
  piece
• 24:49
  called
• 24:50
  about
• 24:50
  whataboutism,
• 24:51
  and
• 24:52
  in
• 24:53
  that
• 24:53
  she
• 24:53
  talked
• 24:54
  about
• 24:54
  this
• 24:55
  logical
• 24:55
  fallacy
• 24:56
  called
• 24:56
  tu
• 24:57
  quoc,
• 24:57
  which
• 24:58
  means
• 24:58
  that
• 24:58
  I
• 24:58
  may
• 24:59
  have
• 24:59
  pronounced
• 24:59
  that
• 25:00
  wrong,
• 25:00
  but
• 25:00
  U2.
• 25:02
  And
• 25:02
  so
• 25:02
  the
• 25:03
  U2
• 25:03
  fallacy
• 25:04
  is
• 25:05
  that
• 25:05
  if
• 25:06
  I
• 25:06
  talk
• 25:07
  about,
• 25:08
  you
• 25:08
  know,
• 25:08
  Donald
• 25:09
  Trump
• 25:09
  and
• 25:09
  the
• 25:10
  salacious
• 25:11
  nature
• 25:12
  of
• 25:12
  his
• 25:12
  misogyny
• 25:13
  and
• 25:14
  the
• 25:14
  gross
• 25:14
  way
• 25:15
  that
• 25:15
  he's
• 25:15
  dealt
• 25:15
  with
• 25:16
  women,
• 25:17
  the
• 25:17
  immediate
• 25:17
  answer
• 25:18
  Trump
• 25:18
  or
• 25:18
  his
• 25:19
  supporters
• 25:19
  come
• 25:20
  up
• 25:20
  with
• 25:20
  is,
• 25:21
  yeah,
• 25:21
  well,
• 25:21
  Bill
• 25:21
  Clinton.
• 25:22
  What
• 25:22
  about
• 25:22
  Bill
• 25:22
  Clinton?
• 25:23
  Yeah,
• 25:24
  and
• 25:24
  they
• 25:24
  never
• 25:25
  answer
• 25:25
  a
• 25:25
  question.
• 25:25
  They
• 25:26
  go,
• 25:26
  yeah,
• 25:26
  what
• 25:27
  about
• 25:27
  that?
• 25:28
  Right.
• 25:28
  And,
• 25:28
  and,
• 25:28
  but
• 25:29
  that
• 25:29
  this
• 25:29
  has
• 25:29
  become
• 25:30
  a
• 25:30
  part
• 25:31
  of
• 25:31
  how
• 25:31
  we
• 25:32
  operate
• 25:32
  and
• 25:33
  not
• 25:33
  really
• 25:33
  speak
• 25:34
  to
• 25:34
  each
• 25:34
  other,
• 25:34
  speak
• 25:35
  over
• 25:35
  each
• 25:35
  other.
• 25:35
  And
• 25:36
  so,
• 25:36
  you
• 25:36
  know,
• 25:37
  these
• 25:37
  improper
• 25:38
  pardons
• 25:38
  and
• 25:39
  how
• 25:39
  awful
• 25:39
  it
• 25:40
  is
• 25:40
  and
• 25:40
  illegal
• 25:41
  and,
• 25:41
  and
• 25:42
  the
• 25:42
  taking
• 25:42
  of
• 25:42
  this.
• 25:43
  Yeah,
• 25:43
  well,
• 25:43
  what
• 25:43
  about
• 25:43
  Joe
• 25:44
  Biden
• 25:44
  and
• 25:45
  his
• 25:45
  son's
• 25:45
  computer?
• 25:46
  And
• 25:46
  what
• 25:46
  about
• 25:47
  Joe
• 25:47
  Biden
• 25:47
  pardoning
• 25:48
  his
• 25:48
  son?
• 25:49
  And
• 25:49
  on
• 25:49
  we
• 25:50
  go
• 25:51
  again.
• 25:51
  The
• 25:51
  scapegoat
• 25:52
  issue.
• 25:52
  We
• 25:52
  talked
• 25:52
  about
• 25:53
  fascism.
• 25:53
  Anything
• 25:54
  that
• 25:54
  goes
• 25:54
  wrong
• 25:55
  during
• 25:55
  this
• 25:56
  period,
• 25:56
  he's
• 25:56
  the
• 25:56
  president.
• 25:57
  It's
• 25:57
  Joe
• 25:57
  Biden's
• 25:58
  fault.
• 25:58
  I
• 25:59
  mean,
• 25:59
  ad
• 25:59
  nauseam.
• 26:00
  It
• 26:00
  just
• 26:01
  keeps
• 26:01
  over
• 26:01
  and
• 26:02
  over.
• 26:02
  Biden
• 26:03
  did
• 26:03
  it.
• 26:04
  We're
• 26:04
  great.
• 26:04
  And
• 26:04
  let
• 26:04
  me
• 26:05
  just
• 26:05
  add
• 26:05
  one
• 26:05
  thing,
• 26:05
  and
• 26:05
  I
• 26:06
  think
• 26:06
  it's
• 26:06
  a
• 26:06
  really
• 26:06
  important
• 26:07
  issue,
• 26:08
  is
• 26:08
  that
• 26:09
  the
• 26:09
  propaganda
• 26:10
  power
• 26:11
  of
• 26:12
  organizations
• 26:13
  like
• 26:14
  Fox
• 26:14
  News
• 26:15
  are
• 26:16
  amazingly
• 26:17
  powerful.
• 26:17
  And
• 26:18
  if
• 26:18
  you
• 26:18
  live
• 26:18
  in
• 26:18
  that
• 26:19
  bubble,
• 26:19
  that's
• 26:20
  what
• 26:20
  you
• 26:20
  watch.
• 26:21
  You're
• 26:21
  going
• 26:21
  to
• 26:21
  go
• 26:22
  away
• 26:22
  thinking
• 26:22
  that
• 26:22
  Donald
• 26:23
  Trump
• 26:23
  is
• 26:23
  really
• 26:24
  a
• 26:24
  great
• 26:24
  president
• 26:25
  and
• 26:25
  everything
• 26:26
  he's
• 26:26
  doing
• 26:26
  is
• 26:26
  absolutely
• 26:27
  right.
• 26:27
  And
• 26:27
  I
• 26:28
  went
• 26:28
  to
• 26:28
  stay
• 26:28
  with
• 26:28
  my
• 26:28
  father
• 26:29
  last
• 26:29
  couple
• 26:30
  of
• 26:30
  years
• 26:30
  of
• 26:30
  his
• 26:30
  life,
• 26:31
  and
• 26:31
  he
• 26:31
  would
• 26:31
  watch
• 26:32
  Fox
• 26:32
  News
• 26:33
  five,
• 26:34
  six,
• 26:34
  seven,
• 26:34
  eight
• 26:35
  hours
• 26:35
  a
• 26:35
  day.
• 26:36
  And
• 26:36
  I
• 26:36
  just
• 26:36
  saw
• 26:37
  how
• 26:37
  that
• 26:38
  just
• 26:38
  really
• 26:39
  made
• 26:39
  him
• 26:39
  angry
• 26:40
  and
• 26:40
  scared
• 26:41
  and
• 26:42
  just,
• 26:42
  it's
• 26:42
  very,
• 26:43
  very
• 26:43
  powerful.
• 26:43
  And
• 26:44
  if
• 26:44
  that's
• 26:44
  the
• 26:44
  bubble
• 26:44
  you're
• 26:45
  in,
• 26:45
  you're
• 26:45
  never
• 26:45
  going
• 26:45
  to
• 26:45
  hear
• 26:46
  stuff
• 26:46
  like
• 26:46
  we're
• 26:46
  talking
• 26:47
  about.
• 26:47
  Right.
• 26:48
  You
• 26:48
  know,
• 26:49
  and
• 26:49
  how
• 26:50
  do
• 26:50
  we
• 26:50
  pop
• 26:50
  the
• 26:50
  damn
• 26:51
  bubble?
• 26:51
  How
• 26:51
  do
• 26:51
  we
• 26:51
  get
• 26:51
  discourse
• 26:52
  going
• 26:52
  and.
• 26:53
  Yeah,
• 26:54
  you
• 26:54
  know
• 26:54
  that.
• 26:56
  Go
• 26:56
  ahead,
• 26:56
  Mark.
• 26:57
  Well,
• 26:57
  you
• 26:58
  know,
• 26:58
  so
• 26:58
  if
• 26:58
  you
• 26:59
  kind
• 26:59
  of
• 27:00
  do
• 27:00
  this
• 27:00
  deflection
• 27:01
  thing
• 27:01
  that
• 27:02
  they
• 27:02
  do,
• 27:03
  it
• 27:03
  breeds
• 27:04
  cynicism
• 27:04
  and
• 27:05
  it
• 27:05
  kind
• 27:06
  of
• 27:06
  breeds
• 27:06
  the
• 27:06
  idea
• 27:07
  that
• 27:08
  they,
• 27:09
  to
• 27:09
  your
• 27:09
  point,
• 27:10
  that,
• 27:10
  well,
• 27:11
  you
• 27:11
  know,
• 27:11
  if
• 27:12
  everybody
• 27:12
  is
• 27:12
  doing
• 27:13
  it,
• 27:14
  then
• 27:14
  it
• 27:14
  must
• 27:14
  not
• 27:15
  be
• 27:15
  so
• 27:15
  bad.
• 27:16
  Right.
• 27:16
  So
• 27:17
  it's
• 27:17
  like
• 27:17
  the
• 27:17
  Mafia
• 27:18
  boss
• 27:18
  who
• 27:19
  explains
• 27:19
  to
• 27:19
  his
• 27:20
  daughter
• 27:20
  why
• 27:21
  all
• 27:21
  the
• 27:21
  things
• 27:22
  they're
• 27:22
  doing
• 27:22
  isn't
• 27:23
  so
• 27:23
  bad
• 27:23
  because
• 27:24
  it's
• 27:24
  a
• 27:24
  jungle
• 27:24
  out
• 27:25
  there
• 27:25
  and
• 27:25
  everybody's
• 27:26
  so
• 27:26
  awful
• 27:26
  and
• 27:26
  everybody's
• 27:27
  so
• 27:27
  gross
• 27:28
  that
• 27:29
  therefore
• 27:29
  it's
• 27:30
  okay
• 27:30
  what
• 27:30
  I
• 27:31
  do.
• 27:31
  And
• 27:31
  that
• 27:32
  justifies
• 27:33
  the
• 27:33
  actions.
• 27:34
  And
• 27:34
  that's
• 27:34
  really
• 27:34
  what
• 27:35
  happens,
• 27:35
  I
• 27:35
  think
• 27:36
  probably
• 27:36
  on
• 27:37
  Fox
• 27:38
  a
• 27:38
  lot
• 27:38
  of
• 27:38
  the
• 27:38
  times,
• 27:39
  which
• 27:39
  justifies
• 27:40
  the
• 27:40
  behavior.
• 27:41
  But,
• 27:41
  and
• 27:41
  so
• 27:42
  that
• 27:42
  corrodes
• 27:42
  democracy
• 27:43
  because
• 27:44
  it
• 27:44
  corrodes
• 27:45
  our
• 27:45
  belief
• 27:45
  in
• 27:45
  our
• 27:45
  institutions,
• 27:46
  in
• 27:47
  our
• 27:47
  institutions
• 27:48
  ability
• 27:48
  to
• 27:48
  solve
• 27:49
  problems
• 27:50
  and
• 27:50
  to
• 27:50
  work
• 27:51
  together
• 27:51
  to
• 27:52
  actually
• 27:52
  build
• 27:53
  for
• 27:53
  a
• 27:53
  better
• 27:53
  tomorrow
• 27:54
  and
• 27:54
  to
• 27:55
  come
• 27:55
  together
• 27:55
  with
• 27:56
  different
• 27:56
  perspectives
• 27:57
  to
• 27:57
  do
• 27:57
  that.
• 27:58
  And
• 27:58
  so,
• 27:59
  you
• 27:59
  know,
• 28:00
  the
• 28:00
  part
• 28:01
  of
• 28:01
  the
• 28:01
  answer
• 28:02
  to
• 28:02
  this
• 28:02
  is
• 28:02
  that
• 28:03
  to
• 28:03
  answer
• 28:04
  eloquently
• 28:05
  and
• 28:05
  honestly,
• 28:06
  that
• 28:06
  that's
• 28:06
  not
• 28:06
  answering
• 28:07
  the
• 28:07
  question.
• 28:08
  You
• 28:08
  know,
• 28:09
  it's,
• 28:09
  it's
• 28:09
  no,
• 28:10
  no
• 28:10
  different
• 28:11
  than
• 28:11
  when
• 28:11
  I
• 28:11
  was
• 28:11
  a
• 28:12
  trial
• 28:12
  attorney
• 28:13
  many
• 28:13
  moons
• 28:13
  ago
• 28:14
  and
• 28:15
  someone
• 28:15
  would
• 28:15
  not
• 28:16
  answer
• 28:16
  the
• 28:16
  question,
• 28:17
  I
• 28:18
  learned
• 28:18
  the
• 28:19
  ability
• 28:19
  to
• 28:20
  say,
• 28:20
  excuse
• 28:20
  me,
• 28:20
  I'm
• 28:21
  sorry,
• 28:22
  Mr.
• 28:22
  Mrs.
• 28:22
  Stenographer,
• 28:23
  can
• 28:23
  you
• 28:23
  read
• 28:24
  back
• 28:24
  the
• 28:24
  question
• 28:25
  and
• 28:25
  then
• 28:26
  ask
• 28:26
  the
• 28:27
  question
• 28:27
  again?
• 28:28
  And
• 28:28
  until
• 28:29
  we
• 28:29
  get
• 28:30
  an
• 28:30
  answer
• 28:30
  and,
• 28:31
  or
• 28:31
  a
• 28:31
  process
• 28:32
  that
• 28:33
  allows
• 28:33
  us
• 28:33
  to
• 28:34
  have
• 28:35
  a
• 28:35
  dialectical
• 28:36
  discussion,
• 28:37
  but
• 28:37
  to
• 28:37
  kind
• 28:37
  of
• 28:38
  accept
• 28:39
  that
• 28:40
  this
• 28:41
  is
• 28:41
  okay,
• 28:42
  that
• 28:43
  this
• 28:44
  U2
• 28:45
  logical
• 28:45
  fallacy
• 28:47
  is
• 28:47
  kind
• 28:47
  of
• 28:47
  allowed
• 28:48
  and
• 28:48
  okay,
• 28:50
  then
• 28:50
  we're
• 28:50
  kind
• 28:51
  of
• 28:51
  supporting
• 28:52
  this
• 28:53
  approach.
• 28:54
  And
• 28:55
  I
• 28:55
  think
• 28:55
  to
• 28:55
  be
• 28:55
  a
• 28:55
  part
• 28:55
  of
• 28:56
  the
• 28:56
  solution
• 28:56
  to
• 28:56
  your
• 28:56
  point,
• 28:57
  there's
• 28:57
  a
• 28:57
  lot
• 28:57
  of
• 28:58
  other
• 28:58
  places
• 28:58
  where
• 28:59
  we
• 28:59
  can
• 28:59
  talk
• 28:59
  about
• 29:00
  as
• 29:00
  part
• 29:00
  of
• 29:00
  the
• 29:00
  solution,
• 29:01
  but
• 29:02
  at
• 29:02
  least
• 29:03
  part
• 29:03
  of
• 29:03
  the
• 29:03
  solution
• 29:04
  is
• 29:04
  to
• 29:04
  not
• 29:04
  to
• 29:05
  play
• 29:05
  the
• 29:05
  game
• 29:06
  is
• 29:06
  to
• 29:07
  not
• 29:07
  be
• 29:07
  a
• 29:08
  part
• 29:08
  of
• 29:08
  that
• 29:08
  game.
• 29:09
  You
• 29:10
  know,
• 29:10
  I
• 29:10
  think
• 29:10
  that
• 29:10
  there
• 29:11
  was
• 29:11
  a
• 29:11
  reporter
• 29:11
  who
• 29:12
  didn't
• 29:12
  play
• 29:13
  that
• 29:13
  game
• 29:13
  who
• 29:14
  just
• 29:14
  kept
• 29:14
  asking
• 29:15
  the
• 29:15
  question.
• 29:15
  There
• 29:16
  was
• 29:16
  a,
• 29:16
  a
• 29:17
  situation
• 29:17
  where
• 29:17
  the
• 29:18
  press
• 29:18
  secretary
• 29:18
  where
• 29:19
  they
• 29:19
  were
• 29:19
  asked
• 29:19
  this
• 29:20
  question
• 29:20
  and
• 29:21
  they
• 29:21
  did
• 29:21
  that
• 29:21
  like
• 29:22
  you
• 29:22
  know,
• 29:22
  your
• 29:22
  mom.
• 29:23
  And
• 29:23
  they
• 29:23
  said,
• 29:23
  well,
• 29:23
  okay,
• 29:24
  I
• 29:24
  appreciate
• 29:25
  that,
• 29:25
  but
• 29:26
  where
• 29:26
  did
• 29:27
  this
• 29:27
  happen?
• 29:28
  And
• 29:28
  they
• 29:28
  just
• 29:28
  kept
• 29:29
  pressing
• 29:29
  the
• 29:29
  issue.
• 29:30
  And
• 29:31
  even
• 29:31
  though
• 29:31
  that
• 29:31
  they
• 29:31
  were
• 29:32
  laughed
• 29:32
  at
• 29:33
  on
• 29:33
  X
• 29:33
  and
• 29:34
  made
• 29:34
  fun
• 29:34
  of
• 29:35
  and
• 29:36
  they
• 29:36
  just
• 29:36
  kept
• 29:37
  at
• 29:37
  it.
• 29:37
  And
• 29:37
  then
• 29:37
  they
• 29:38
  finally
• 29:38
  got
• 29:38
  the
• 29:38
  answer
• 29:39
  to
• 29:39
  the
• 29:39
  question.
• 29:39
  They
• 29:40
  just
• 29:40
  said,
• 29:40
  thank
• 29:40
  you
• 29:40
  very
• 29:41
  much.
• 29:41
  I
• 29:42
  appreciate
• 29:42
  you
• 29:42
  answering
• 29:43
  the
• 29:43
  question.
• 29:44
  And
• 29:44
  so
• 29:44
  they
• 29:45
  answered
• 29:46
  their
• 29:46
  snarky
• 29:47
  way
• 29:48
  of
• 29:48
  kind
• 29:48
  of
• 29:49
  dehumanizing
• 29:50
  us,
• 29:50
  dehumanizing
• 29:51
  people
• 29:52
  by
• 29:53
  still
• 29:53
  honoring
• 29:53
  their
• 29:54
  humanity
• 29:55
  and
• 29:55
  asking
• 29:56
  for
• 29:57
  a
• 29:57
  higher
• 29:57
  level
• 29:58
  clarity
• 29:58
  of
• 29:59
  process.
• 30:00
  And
• 30:00
  we
• 30:00
  must
• 30:00
  demand
• 30:01
  that
• 30:01
  we
• 30:02
  must
• 30:02
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• 30:03
  shirk
• 30:03
  our
• 30:03
  responsibility
• 30:05
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• 30:05
  moving
• 30:06
  away
• 30:06
  from
• 30:06
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• 30:07
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• 30:07
  way
• 30:08
  that
• 30:08
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• 30:08
  democracy
• 30:09
  demands
• 30:09
  to
• 30:10
  function,
• 30:11
  which
• 30:11
  is
• 30:11
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• 30:12
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• 30:12
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• 30:12
  each
• 30:12
  other
• 30:13
  civilly,
• 30:14
  to
• 30:14
  have
• 30:14
  different
• 30:15
  perspectives,
• 30:16
  to
• 30:16
  have
• 30:17
  real
• 30:17
  debates,
• 30:18
  to
• 30:18
  have
• 30:19
  real
• 30:19
  processes,
• 30:20
  to
• 30:20
  listen
• 30:20
  to
• 30:21
  factual
• 30:21
  evidence
• 30:22
  and
• 30:22
  then
• 30:22
  decisions
• 30:23
  that
• 30:23
  we
• 30:24
  the
• 30:24
  people
• 30:24
  can
• 30:25
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• 30:25
  them
• 30:25
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• 30:26
  for.
• 30:26
  And
• 30:26
  so,
• 30:27
  you
• 30:27
  know,
• 30:27
  this.
• 30:29
  To
• 30:29
  go
• 30:29
  back
• 30:29
  to
• 30:29
  Roger's
• 30:30
  point
• 30:31
  that
• 30:31
  we
• 30:32
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• 30:32
  of
• 30:33
  devolve
• 30:33
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• 30:34
  fast
• 30:34
  to,
• 30:35
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• 30:35
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• 30:35
  of
• 30:36
  move
• 30:36
  in
• 30:36
  this
• 30:37
  direction
• 30:37
  of
• 30:37
  that
• 30:38
  logical
• 30:38
  fallacy
• 30:39
  to
• 30:39
  dehumanize
• 30:40
  each
• 30:40
  other,
• 30:41
  to
• 30:41
  live
• 30:42
  in
• 30:42
  the
• 30:42
  space
• 30:42
  where,
• 30:43
  you
• 30:43
  know,
• 30:44
  to
• 30:44
  Tom
• 30:44
  Nichols
• 30:45
  point
• 30:45
  that
• 30:45
  people
• 30:46
  are
• 30:46
  just
• 30:46
  acting
• 30:46
  like
• 30:47
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• 30:48
  and
• 30:48
  we're
• 30:48
  all
• 30:49
  accepting
• 30:49
  it
• 30:50
  is
• 30:50
  okay.
• 30:51
  Has
• 30:51
  shocked
• 30:51
  me.
• 30:51
  Roger.
• 30:52
  Yeah.
• 30:53
  And
• 30:53
  I
• 30:53
  really
• 30:53
  appreciate
• 30:54
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• 30:54
  you're
• 30:54
  doing
• 30:54
  here,
• 30:55
  Mark,
• 30:55
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• 30:55
  is
• 30:55
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• 30:56
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• 30:57
  us,
• 30:57
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• 30:58
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• 30:58
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• 30:58
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• 30:59
  a.
• 31:01
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• 31:01
  know
• 31:02
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• 31:02
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• 31:03
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• 31:03
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• 31:03
  up
• 31:03
  with
• 31:03
  the
• 31:04
  right
• 31:04
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• 31:04
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• 31:04
  higher.
• 31:05
  A
• 31:06
  better
• 31:06
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• 31:07
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• 31:07
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• 31:08
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• 31:08
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• 31:08
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• 31:09
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• 31:09
  each
• 31:10
  other,
• 31:10
  which
• 31:10
  is
• 31:10
  based
• 31:11
  in
• 31:11
  human
• 31:11
  respect
• 31:12
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• 31:13
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• 31:13
  demand
• 31:14
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• 31:14
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• 31:15
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• 31:15
  Yeah.
• 31:16
  And,
• 31:16
  you
• 31:16
  know,
• 31:16
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• 31:17
  The
• 31:17
  utter,
• 31:18
  deepest
• 31:18
  reality
• 31:19
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• 31:19
  the
• 31:19
  interconnection
• 31:20
  of
• 31:20
  all
• 31:21
  beings
• 31:21
  and
• 31:21
  the
• 31:21
  oneness
• 31:23
  of
• 31:23
  our
• 31:24
  experience.
• 31:24
  And
• 31:25
  so
• 31:25
  when
• 31:26
  we
• 31:26
  do
• 31:26
  this,
• 31:27
  we're,
• 31:27
  you
• 31:28
  know,
• 31:28
  we're
• 31:28
  sowing
• 31:28
  the
• 31:29
  seeds
• 31:29
  of
• 31:29
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• 31:30
  Because
• 31:31
  the
• 31:31
  truth
• 31:31
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• 31:32
  the
• 31:32
  matter
• 31:32
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• 31:33
  this
• 31:33
  self
• 31:34
  that
• 31:34
  we're
• 31:34
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• 31:35
  this,
• 31:36
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• 31:36
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• 31:36
  the
• 31:36
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• 31:36
  side,
• 31:37
  this
• 31:37
  self
• 31:37
  that
• 31:38
  we're
• 31:38
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• 31:39
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• 31:39
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• 31:40
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• 31:40
  fun
• 31:40
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• 31:41
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• 31:41
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• 31:42
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• 31:42
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• 31:42
  It
• 31:43
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• 31:43
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• 31:44
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• 31:44
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• 31:45
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• 31:45
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• 31:45
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• 31:46
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• 31:46
  And
• 31:47
  so,
• 31:47
  you
• 31:48
  know,
• 31:48
  we
• 31:49
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• 31:49
  be
• 31:49
  a
• 31:50
  part
• 31:50
  of
• 31:50
  the
• 31:50
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• 31:51
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• 31:51
  sowing
• 31:51
  the
• 31:52
  seeds
• 31:52
  of
• 31:53
  recognizing
• 31:54
  the
• 31:54
  humanity
• 31:55
  of
• 31:56
  our
• 31:56
  brothers
• 31:56
  and
• 31:57
  sisters
• 31:57
  on
• 31:58
  FOX
• 31:59
  and
• 31:59
  all
• 31:59
  the
• 32:00
  listeners
• 32:00
  that
• 32:01
  believe
• 32:02
  in
• 32:03
  exactly
• 32:03
  what's
• 32:04
  being
• 32:04
  said
• 32:05
  and
• 32:05
  being
• 32:05
  willing
• 32:06
  to
• 32:06
  enter
• 32:06
  into
• 32:06
  the
• 32:07
  arena
• 32:07
  of
• 32:07
  the
• 32:07
  dialectic,
• 32:08
  to
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  have
• 32:10
  conversations,
• 32:10
  to
• 32:11
  listen,
• 32:12
  to
• 32:12
  understand
• 32:13
  fully
• 32:13
  where
• 32:13
  they're
• 32:14
  coming
• 32:14
  from.
• 32:14
  I
• 32:14
  mean,
• 32:15
  that's
• 32:15
  the
• 32:15
  directive
• 32:17
  of
• 32:17
  an
• 32:17
  integral
• 32:18
  being,
• 32:18
  is
• 32:18
  to
• 32:19
  really
• 32:19
  accept
• 32:20
  people
• 32:20
  for
• 32:20
  where
• 32:21
  they're
• 32:21
  at
• 32:21
  and
• 32:21
  understand
• 32:22
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• 32:22
  they're
• 32:22
  at.
• 32:22
  Doesn't
• 32:23
  mean
• 32:23
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• 32:24
  have
• 32:24
  to
• 32:24
  live
• 32:24
  from
• 32:24
  that
• 32:25
  space,
• 32:26
  but
• 32:26
  to
• 32:26
  Honor
• 32:27
  that
• 32:27
  space
• 32:27
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• 32:28
  see
• 32:28
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• 32:29
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• 32:29
  dignity
• 32:30
  is
• 32:30
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• 32:30
  of
• 32:31
  the
• 32:31
  solution.
• 32:32
  And
• 32:32
  I'm
• 32:32
  afraid
• 32:33
  that
• 32:34
  some
• 32:34
  parts
• 32:35
  of
• 32:35
  the
• 32:35
  cultural
• 32:35
  elite,
• 32:36
  some
• 32:37
  of
• 32:37
  our
• 32:37
  progressive
• 32:38
  brothers
• 32:38
  and
• 32:38
  sisters,
• 32:39
  are
• 32:39
  not
• 32:40
  at
• 32:41
  that
• 32:41
  stage
• 32:41
  or
• 32:42
  aren't
• 32:42
  willing
• 32:42
  to
• 32:43
  do
• 32:43
  that.
• 32:43
  And
• 32:43
  that's
• 32:43
  exacerbated
• 32:45
  some
• 32:45
  of
• 32:45
  the
• 32:45
  crisis
• 32:46
  that
• 32:46
  we're
• 32:46
  in
• 32:46
  today.
• 32:47
  Yeah,
• 32:48
  yeah,
• 32:49
  we
• 32:49
  developed
• 32:50
  a
• 32:50
  politics
• 32:50
  of
• 32:50
  divisiveness.
• 32:52
  I
• 32:52
  mean,
• 32:52
  that's
• 32:53
  where
• 32:53
  this
• 32:54
  gets
• 32:54
  all
• 32:55
  its
• 32:55
  juice
• 32:55
  and
• 32:55
  energy
• 32:56
  is
• 32:56
  from
• 32:56
  dividing
• 32:57
  us
• 32:57
  for
• 32:58
  just
• 32:59
  getting
• 32:59
  out
• 33:00
  and
• 33:00
  saying.
• 33:00
  And
• 33:00
  I
• 33:00
  remember
• 33:01
  during
• 33:01
  the
• 33:01
  COVID
• 33:02
  crisis,
• 33:03
  Queen
• 33:03
  Elizabeth,
• 33:04
  the
• 33:04
  late
• 33:04
  Queen
• 33:04
  Elizabeth,
• 33:05
  she
• 33:05
  did
• 33:05
  a
• 33:05
  speech
• 33:06
  to
• 33:06
  the
• 33:06
  country
• 33:07
  and
• 33:07
  it's
• 33:07
  like
• 33:08
  we're
• 33:08
  all
• 33:08
  in
• 33:08
  this
• 33:08
  together.
• 33:09
  You
• 33:09
  know,
• 33:09
  it
• 33:09
  was
• 33:09
  just,
• 33:10
  it
• 33:10
  was
• 33:10
  just
• 33:10
  a
• 33:11
  wonderful
• 33:11
  speech
• 33:12
  that
• 33:12
  was
• 33:12
  bringing
• 33:13
  us
• 33:13
  together.
• 33:13
  When
• 33:14
  we
• 33:14
  had
• 33:14
  that
• 33:14
  crisis,
• 33:15
  they
• 33:15
  used
• 33:16
  it
• 33:16
  to
• 33:16
  divide
• 33:16
  us
• 33:17
  again.
• 33:18
  There
• 33:18
  was
• 33:18
  just
• 33:18
  more
• 33:18
  fear
• 33:19
  and
• 33:19
  more,
• 33:20
  more
• 33:20
  hatred.
• 33:21
  And
• 33:21
  that
• 33:22
  has
• 33:23
  such.
• 33:24
  So
• 33:24
  much
• 33:24
  power
• 33:25
  in
• 33:25
  that
• 33:25
  darkness.
• 33:26
  But
• 33:27
  what
• 33:27
  you're
• 33:27
  talking
• 33:27
  about
• 33:28
  is
• 33:28
  how
• 33:28
  do
• 33:28
  we,
• 33:29
  how
• 33:29
  do
• 33:29
  we
• 33:29
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• 33:30
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• 33:31
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• 33:31
  this
• 33:31
  back
• 33:32
  together
• 33:32
  again?
• 33:32
  You
• 33:33
  know,
• 33:33
  I
• 33:33
  know
• 33:33
  we
• 33:34
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• 33:34
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• 33:34
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• 33:34
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• 33:35
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• 33:35
  or
• 33:36
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• 33:36
  and
• 33:36
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• 33:37
  but
• 33:37
  I
• 33:38
  mean,
• 33:38
  to
• 33:39
  some
• 33:39
  of
• 33:39
  Donald
• 33:40
  Trump's
• 33:40
  point
• 33:41
  on
• 33:41
  universities
• 33:42
  that
• 33:44
  universities
• 33:44
  are
• 33:45
  quite
• 33:45
  divisive
• 33:46
  with
• 33:46
  the
• 33:46
  right
• 33:47
  and
• 33:48
  there
• 33:48
  is
• 33:48
  real
• 33:49
  truth
• 33:49
  to
• 33:49
  the
• 33:50
  fact
• 33:50
  that
• 33:51
  it's
• 33:51
  very
• 33:51
  hard
• 33:51
  to
• 33:52
  be
• 33:52
  a
• 33:52
  conservative
• 33:52
  on
• 33:53
  a
• 33:53
  college
• 33:53
  campus.
• 33:54
  And
• 33:55
  there's
• 33:55
  just
• 33:55
  not
• 33:56
  a
• 33:56
  whole
• 33:56
  lot
• 33:56
  of
• 33:56
  space
• 33:57
  for
• 33:57
  those
• 33:57
  voices
• 33:58
  to
• 33:58
  be
• 33:59
  heard
• 33:59
  and
• 34:00
  not
• 34:00
  marginalized.
• 34:01
  And
• 34:02
  so
• 34:02
  that
• 34:03
  is,
• 34:04
  you
• 34:05
  know,
• 34:05
  I
• 34:05
  think
• 34:06
  how
• 34:06
  he's
• 34:06
  going
• 34:06
  about
• 34:07
  it
• 34:07
  is
• 34:08
  completely
• 34:09
  wrong.
• 34:09
  But
• 34:10
  bringing
• 34:10
  recognition
• 34:11
  to
• 34:11
  the
• 34:11
  fact
• 34:12
  that
• 34:12
  there
• 34:13
  is
• 34:13
  a
• 34:13
  dominant
• 34:13
  voice
• 34:15
  at
• 34:15
  universities
• 34:16
  that
• 34:16
  marginalizes
• 34:17
  the
• 34:17
  other
• 34:18
  side
• 34:18
  is
• 34:19
  there's
• 34:19
  some
• 34:19
  real
• 34:19
  truth
• 34:20
  there.
• 34:20
  And
• 34:20
  so
• 34:21
  that's
• 34:21
  a
• 34:21
  really
• 34:21
  good
• 34:22
  point,
• 34:22
  Mark.
• 34:22
  I've
• 34:23
  seen
• 34:23
  the
• 34:23
  same
• 34:23
  thing.
• 34:24
  This
• 34:24
  kind
• 34:24
  of
• 34:24
  over
• 34:25
  hyper
• 34:25
  wokeism
• 34:26
  that
• 34:27
  just
• 34:27
  gets,
• 34:27
  at
• 34:27
  some
• 34:28
  point
• 34:28
  gets
• 34:28
  ridiculous
• 34:29
  and
• 34:30
  it
• 34:30
  has,
• 34:31
  has
• 34:31
  fueled
• 34:33
  the
• 34:33
  fire
• 34:34
  of
• 34:34
  the
• 34:34
  right
• 34:34
  and
• 34:35
  deservedly
• 34:36
  so
• 34:36
  in
• 34:36
  cases
• 34:37
  given
• 34:37
  him
• 34:38
  another
• 34:38
  issue
• 34:39
  just
• 34:39
  to
• 34:40
  again,
• 34:40
  to
• 34:40
  divide
• 34:41
  us
• 34:41
  more.
• 34:41
  But
• 34:42
  how
• 34:42
  did
• 34:42
  we
• 34:42
  get
• 34:42
  there?
• 34:43
  How
• 34:43
  did
• 34:43
  we
• 34:44
  get
• 34:44
  to
• 34:44
  this?
• 34:45
  You
• 34:45
  know,
• 34:45
  just
• 34:46
  one
• 34:46
  side
• 34:47
  in
• 34:47
  our
• 34:47
  academic
• 34:48
  systems
• 34:48
  and
• 34:48
  our
• 34:48
  great
• 34:49
  universities.
• 34:50
  What
• 34:50
  happened?
• 34:51
  Well,
• 34:52
  you
• 34:52
  know,
• 34:52
  my
• 34:53
  mentor
• 34:53
  and
• 34:53
  our
• 34:54
  friend,
• 34:54
  I
• 34:55
  think
• 34:55
  Ken
• 34:55
  Wilber
• 34:56
  many
• 34:57
  years
• 34:57
  ago,
• 34:57
  really
• 34:58
  nailed
• 34:59
  this.
• 34:59
  And
• 34:59
  I
• 34:59
  think
• 35:00
  he
• 35:00
  will
• 35:00
  be
• 35:01
  remembered
• 35:01
  for
• 35:02
  kind
• 35:02
  of
• 35:02
  seeing
• 35:03
  how
• 35:04
  I
• 35:04
  think
• 35:05
  that,
• 35:05
  you
• 35:05
  know,
• 35:05
  the,
• 35:06
  the
• 35:06
  cultural
• 35:07
  elites
• 35:07
  kind
• 35:07
  of
• 35:08
  have
• 35:08
  kind
• 35:09
  of
• 35:09
  taken
• 35:09
  over
• 35:09
  the
• 35:09
  space.
• 35:10
  So,
• 35:10
  I
• 35:10
  mean,
• 35:10
  I
• 35:10
  think
• 35:11
  I
• 35:11
  read
• 35:11
  a
• 35:11
  really
• 35:11
  great
• 35:12
  piece
• 35:12
  by
• 35:12
  David
• 35:13
  Brooks
• 35:14
  who.
• 35:14
  It
• 35:15
  was
• 35:15
  a
• 35:15
  piece
• 35:15
  from
• 35:15
  223
• 35:16
  and
• 35:16
  it
• 35:16
  was
• 35:17
  like,
• 35:17
  you
• 35:17
  know,
• 35:17
  maybe
• 35:18
  we're
• 35:18
  the
• 35:18
  bad
• 35:18
  guys.
• 35:19
  And
• 35:19
  he
• 35:19
  was
• 35:19
  talking
• 35:20
  about
• 35:20
  himself
• 35:20
  as
• 35:20
  being
• 35:21
  a
• 35:21
  part
• 35:21
  of
• 35:21
  the
• 35:21
  Elite.
• 35:22
  And
• 35:23
  what
• 35:24
  he
• 35:24
  talked
• 35:24
  about
• 35:25
  was
• 35:25
  that,
• 35:26
  you
• 35:26
  know,
• 35:27
  we
• 35:28
  talked
• 35:28
  this
• 35:28
  great
• 35:29
  game
• 35:30
  of,
• 35:30
  like,
• 35:31
  you
• 35:31
  know,
• 35:31
  on
• 35:32
  the
• 35:32
  progressive
• 35:32
  side
• 35:33
  of
• 35:33
  everybody
• 35:33
  being
• 35:34
  on
• 35:34
  the
• 35:34
  same
• 35:34
  team
• 35:35
  and
• 35:35
  supporting
• 35:36
  the
• 35:36
  marginalized.
• 35:37
  But,
• 35:38
  you
• 35:38
  know,
• 35:38
  when
• 35:38
  it
• 35:38
  came
• 35:38
  to
• 35:38
  the
• 35:39
  Vietnam
• 35:39
  War,
• 35:40
  the
• 35:41
  elite
• 35:42
  got
• 35:42
  to
• 35:42
  stay
• 35:43
  home
• 35:44
  and
• 35:44
  got
• 35:45
  to
• 35:45
  go
• 35:45
  to
• 35:45
  college
• 35:46
  and
• 35:47
  they
• 35:47
  got
• 35:47
  to
• 35:47
  stay
• 35:47
  out
• 35:48
  of
• 35:49
  that
• 35:49
  war.
• 35:50
  He
• 35:50
  mentioned,
• 35:50
  I
• 35:51
  think,
• 35:51
  you
• 35:51
  know,
• 35:51
  when
• 35:52
  we
• 35:52
  just
• 35:52
  watched
• 35:52
  this
• 35:53
  in
• 35:53
  my
• 35:53
  constitutional
• 35:54
  law
• 35:54
  class
• 35:55
  as
• 35:55
  we
• 35:55
  looked
• 35:55
  at
• 35:56
  busing,
• 35:56
  the
• 35:57
  busing
• 35:57
  crisis
• 35:57
  in
• 35:58
  Boston,
• 35:58
  where
• 35:59
  Judge
• 35:59
  Arthur
• 36:00
  Garrity,
• 36:00
  an
• 36:00
  Irishman,
• 36:02
  you
• 36:02
  know,
• 36:02
  created
• 36:03
  a
• 36:03
  federal
• 36:03
  district
• 36:04
  court
• 36:04
  judge,
• 36:05
  saw
• 36:05
  the
• 36:05
  obvious
• 36:06
  segregation
• 36:07
  of
• 36:07
  the
• 36:07
  Boston
• 36:08
  school
• 36:08
  system
• 36:09
  and
• 36:09
  created
• 36:10
  a
• 36:10
  busing
• 36:10
  plan
• 36:11
  to
• 36:11
  deal
• 36:11
  with
• 36:11
  it.
• 36:12
  But
• 36:13
  guess
• 36:14
  who
• 36:14
  didn't
• 36:14
  have
• 36:14
  to
• 36:15
  be
• 36:15
  a
• 36:15
  part
• 36:15
  of
• 36:16
  that?
• 36:16
  Wellesley
• 36:17
  Newton.
• 36:18
  And
• 36:19
  for
• 36:19
  those
• 36:19
  of
• 36:19
  you
• 36:19
  that
• 36:20
  don't
• 36:20
  know,
• 36:20
  those
• 36:20
  are
• 36:21
  wealthy
• 36:22
  communities
• 36:22
  that
• 36:23
  are
• 36:24
  outside
• 36:24
  of
• 36:24
  Boston.
• 36:25
  They
• 36:25
  didn't
• 36:26
  have
• 36:26
  to
• 36:26
  be
• 36:26
  a
• 36:26
  part
• 36:27
  of.
• 36:27
  Of
• 36:27
  that
• 36:28
  process.
• 36:28
  And
• 36:29
  so
• 36:30
  you
• 36:31
  kind
• 36:31
  of
• 36:31
  see
• 36:32
  that
• 36:32
  there's
• 36:32
  this
• 36:34
  idea
• 36:34
  of
• 36:35
  this
• 36:35
  kind
• 36:35
  of
• 36:35
  meritocracy,
• 36:37
  but
• 36:37
  really
• 36:38
  it's
• 36:39
  only
• 36:39
  for
• 36:39
  the
• 36:40
  elite
• 36:41
  to
• 36:41
  kind
• 36:41
  of
• 36:41
  play
• 36:42
  in
• 36:42
  these
• 36:43
  circles.
• 36:43
  And
• 36:44
  so,
• 36:44
  you
• 36:45
  know,
• 36:45
  there
• 36:45
  is
• 36:45
  a
• 36:46
  trajectory
• 36:47
  of
• 36:48
  postmodern
• 36:49
  philosophy,
• 36:50
  which
• 36:50
  is
• 36:50
  kind
• 36:50
  of
• 36:51
  the
• 36:52
  apex
• 36:52
  of
• 36:53
  first
• 36:53
  tier
• 36:54
  thinking
• 36:54
  in
• 36:55
  using
• 36:56
  spiral
• 36:56
  dynamics
• 36:57
  as
• 36:58
  a
• 36:58
  model
• 36:58
  here.
• 36:59
  But
• 36:59
  universities
• 37:00
  are
• 37:00
  really
• 37:01
  overrun
• 37:01
  and
• 37:02
  dominated
• 37:03
  by
• 37:03
  postmodern
• 37:04
  philosophy,
• 37:04
  which,
• 37:05
  you
• 37:05
  know,
• 37:06
  believes
• 37:06
  in
• 37:07
  relativism
• 37:08
  and
• 37:09
  really
• 37:09
  has
• 37:09
  an
• 37:10
  allergy
• 37:10
  to
• 37:11
  science
• 37:11
  and
• 37:11
  business.
• 37:12
  And
• 37:13
  so
• 37:13
  those
• 37:15
  sociological,
• 37:16
  those
• 37:17
  kind
• 37:17
  of
• 37:18
  more
• 37:18
  subjective
• 37:19
  ways
• 37:19
  of
• 37:19
  seeing
• 37:20
  the
• 37:20
  universe,
• 37:20
  which
• 37:21
  are
• 37:21
  absolutely
• 37:22
  important,
• 37:23
  you
• 37:23
  know,
• 37:24
  become
• 37:25
  the
• 37:25
  dominant
• 37:26
  way.
• 37:26
  You
• 37:26
  know,
• 37:26
  you
• 37:26
  can't
• 37:27
  work
• 37:28
  at
• 37:28
  a
• 37:28
  university
• 37:30
  without
• 37:31
  DEI
• 37:32
  as
• 37:32
  being
• 37:33
  a
• 37:33
  central
• 37:33
  part.
• 37:34
  You
• 37:34
  can't
• 37:35
  write
• 37:36
  without
• 37:36
  having
• 37:37
  him.
• 37:37
  Her.
• 37:38
  His
• 37:39
  as
• 37:39
  part
• 37:39
  of
• 37:39
  your
• 37:40
  title.
• 37:41
  If
• 37:41
  not.
• 37:41
  And
• 37:42
  I'm
• 37:42
  not
• 37:42
  saying
• 37:42
  this
• 37:42
  is
• 37:43
  like,
• 37:43
  absolutely
• 37:44
  for
• 37:44
  everybody,
• 37:44
  and
• 37:44
  I
• 37:45
  work
• 37:45
  at
• 37:45
  a
• 37:46
  place
• 37:46
  where,
• 37:47
  you
• 37:47
  know,
• 37:47
  we're
• 37:47
  a
• 37:47
  state
• 37:48
  school,
• 37:48
  and
• 37:48
  I
• 37:48
  think
• 37:48
  it's
• 37:49
  a
• 37:49
  little
• 37:49
  bit
• 37:49
  more.
• 37:50
  Relax.
• 37:50
  But
• 37:51
  there
• 37:51
  is.
• 37:51
  There
• 37:52
  is
• 37:52
  those
• 37:52
  pressures
• 37:53
  and
• 37:54
  there
• 37:54
  is
• 37:54
  that
• 37:54
  kind
• 37:55
  of
• 37:55
  orientation.
• 37:56
  It's
• 37:57
  across
• 37:57
  the
• 37:57
  board.
• 37:58
  When
• 37:58
  you
• 37:58
  go
• 37:58
  to
• 37:58
  lunch,
• 37:58
  you
• 37:59
  kind
• 37:59
  of
• 37:59
  expect
• 38:00
  your
• 38:00
  colleagues
• 38:01
  to
• 38:01
  be
• 38:01
  voting
• 38:02
  Democrat
• 38:02
  and
• 38:03
  not
• 38:03
  Republican.
• 38:04
  And
• 38:04
  the
• 38:05
  only
• 38:05
  folks
• 38:05
  that
• 38:05
  do
• 38:05
  that
• 38:06
  are
• 38:06
  the
• 38:06
  people
• 38:06
  over
• 38:07
  in
• 38:07
  business
• 38:08
  and.
• 38:08
  And
• 38:08
  those
• 38:09
  folks.
• 38:09
  Be
• 38:09
  honest.
• 38:10
  Well,
• 38:11
  also
• 38:11
  in
• 38:11
  medical
• 38:12
  schools.
• 38:12
  In
• 38:13
  medical
• 38:13
  school.
• 38:13
  Fair
• 38:13
  enough.
• 38:15
  So.
• 38:15
  So,
• 38:16
  Roger,
• 38:16
  please
• 38:17
  talk,
• 38:17
  because
• 38:17
  I
• 38:18
  don't
• 38:18
  have
• 38:19
  a
• 38:19
  medical
• 38:19
  school
• 38:19
  at
• 38:19
  my
• 38:20
  school,
• 38:20
  so
• 38:21
  we
• 38:21
  only
• 38:21
  know
• 38:22
  colleagues
• 38:22
  over
• 38:22
  there.
• 38:24
  Well,
• 38:25
  I'm
• 38:25
  kind
• 38:25
  of
• 38:25
  trying
• 38:25
  not
• 38:26
  to
• 38:26
  laugh
• 38:26
  when
• 38:26
  you
• 38:26
  say
• 38:26
  postmodernism's
• 38:28
  taken
• 38:28
  over.
• 38:28
  I
• 38:28
  don't
• 38:28
  think
• 38:29
  anyone
• 38:29
  in
• 38:29
  my
• 38:29
  medical
• 38:30
  school's
• 38:30
  even
• 38:30
  heard
• 38:31
  of
• 38:31
  postmodernism,
• 38:32
  but
• 38:33
  I
• 38:33
  don't
• 38:33
  want
• 38:33
  to
• 38:33
  detract
• 38:34
  from
• 38:34
  an
• 38:34
  important
• 38:35
  theme
• 38:35
  here,
• 38:36
  and
• 38:36
  that
• 38:36
  is
• 38:37
  you're
• 38:37
  pointing
• 38:38
  out
• 38:38
  that
• 38:39
  there
• 38:39
  are
• 38:39
  issues
• 38:40
  on
• 38:40
  both
• 38:40
  sides
• 38:41
  and
• 38:42
  that
• 38:42
  in
• 38:43
  some
• 38:43
  ways,
• 38:44
  some
• 38:45
  of
• 38:45
  the.
• 38:46
  I
• 38:46
  think
• 38:46
  Trump
• 38:46
  is
• 38:47
  a
• 38:47
  master
• 38:48
  of
• 38:48
  picking
• 38:49
  up
• 38:49
  intuitively
• 38:50
  some
• 38:51
  of
• 38:51
  the
• 38:51
  discontents
• 38:52
  and
• 38:53
  cultural
• 38:54
  issues
• 38:55
  and
• 38:55
  mining
• 38:56
  them
• 38:56
  in
• 38:56
  with
• 38:57
  incredible
• 38:57
  skill.
• 38:59
  And
• 39:01
  that's
• 39:02
  sort
• 39:03
  of
• 39:03
  acknowledge
• 39:04
  your
• 39:04
  point
• 39:05
  that
• 39:06
  there
• 39:06
  have
• 39:06
  been
• 39:06
  excesses
• 39:07
  on
• 39:07
  both
• 39:08
  sides
• 39:09
  and
• 39:09
  part
• 39:09
  of
• 39:10
  a
• 39:11
  post
• 39:11
  partisan
• 39:12
  position
• 39:13
  would
• 39:13
  be
• 39:13
  doing
• 39:14
  exactly
• 39:15
  what
• 39:15
  you're
• 39:15
  doing,
• 39:16
  acknowledging
• 39:16
  that
• 39:17
  and
• 39:17
  looking
• 39:17
  for
• 39:18
  how
• 39:18
  can
• 39:18
  we
• 39:18
  move
• 39:19
  forward
• 39:19
  as
• 39:19
  fellow
• 39:20
  humans.
• 39:21
  But
• 39:21
  I
• 39:21
  want
• 39:21
  to
• 39:22
  step
• 39:22
  back
• 39:22
  here,
• 39:22
  and
• 39:24
  clearly
• 39:24
  you've
• 39:24
  done
• 39:25
  a
• 39:25
  lot
• 39:25
  of
• 39:25
  work
• 39:26
  in
• 39:26
  preparing
• 39:27
  for
• 39:27
  our
• 39:27
  dialogue,
• 39:28
  and
• 39:28
  I
• 39:28
  really,
• 39:29
  I
• 39:29
  think
• 39:29
  both
• 39:29
  of
• 39:30
  us
• 39:30
  really
• 39:30
  appreciate
• 39:31
  that.
• 39:31
  And
• 39:31
  you
• 39:31
  have
• 39:31
  a
• 39:32
  lot
• 39:32
  of
• 39:32
  ideas
• 39:32
  you
• 39:33
  want
• 39:33
  to
• 39:33
  cover.
• 39:33
  So
• 39:34
  let
• 39:34
  me
• 39:34
  throw
• 39:35
  it.
• 39:35
  Let
• 39:35
  me
• 39:36
  give
• 39:36
  it
• 39:36
  to
• 39:36
  you
• 39:36
  and
• 39:37
  say,
• 39:37
  what
• 39:37
  would
• 39:37
  you
• 39:38
  next
• 39:39
  like
• 39:39
  to
• 39:39
  address
• 39:40
  here?
• 39:41
  Yeah,
• 39:41
  well,
• 39:42
  I
• 39:42
  think
• 39:42
  John
• 39:43
  had,
• 39:43
  you
• 39:43
  know,
• 39:44
  where
• 39:44
  do
• 39:44
  we
• 39:44
  go?
• 39:44
  Or
• 39:44
  what's
• 39:45
  the
• 39:45
  problem?
• 39:45
  And
• 39:46
  I,
• 39:46
  I
• 39:46
  think
• 39:46
  we've
• 39:47
  touched
• 39:47
  on
• 39:47
  it
• 39:48
  a
• 39:48
  little
• 39:48
  bit.
• 39:49
  This
• 39:50
  kind
• 39:50
  of
• 39:51
  what
• 39:51
  about
• 39:51
  ism.
• 39:52
  This,
• 39:52
  this
• 39:53
  crass
• 39:53
  way
• 39:54
  that
• 39:54
  I
• 39:54
  think
• 39:55
  is
• 39:55
  reflective
• 39:56
  of
• 39:57
  what
• 39:57
  I
• 39:58
  talked
• 39:58
  about
• 39:58
  in
• 39:58
  our
• 39:59
  last
• 39:59
  meeting.
• 40:00
  That
• 40:00
  kind
• 40:00
  of
• 40:00
  this.
• 40:01
  The
• 40:01
  red
• 40:02
  meme
• 40:02
  and
• 40:02
  spiral
• 40:03
  dynamics,
• 40:03
  which
• 40:04
  is.
• 40:04
  It
• 40:04
  can
• 40:05
  be.
• 40:05
  You
• 40:05
  know,
• 40:06
  in
• 40:06
  fact,
• 40:06
  I
• 40:06
  was
• 40:07
  reading
• 40:08
  Boomeritis
• 40:09
  again
• 40:09
  a
• 40:09
  little
• 40:10
  bit,
• 40:10
  and,
• 40:11
  you
• 40:11
  know,
• 40:11
  there
• 40:11
  was.
• 40:12
  Which
• 40:12
  is
• 40:12
  one
• 40:12
  of
• 40:12
  Ken
• 40:13
  Wilbur's
• 40:13
  books.
• 40:14
  Yeah,
• 40:14
  yeah.
• 40:14
  And
• 40:15
  there
• 40:15
  was
• 40:15
  a
• 40:15
  section
• 40:15
  on
• 40:16
  the
• 40:16
  stage,
• 40:16
  Red
• 40:18
  and,
• 40:19
  and
• 40:20
  it
• 40:20
  said,
• 40:20
  you
• 40:21
  know,
• 40:21
  we're
• 40:21
  seeing
• 40:22
  the
• 40:22
  Terrible
• 40:23
  Twos,
• 40:23
  rebellious
• 40:24
  youth,
• 40:24
  frontier
• 40:25
  mentality,
• 40:25
  feudal
• 40:26
  kingdoms,
• 40:27
  epic
• 40:27
  heroes,
• 40:28
  James
• 40:28
  Bond
• 40:29
  villains,
• 40:30
  soldiers
• 40:31
  of
• 40:31
  fortune,
• 40:31
  wild
• 40:32
  rock
• 40:32
  stars,
• 40:32
  Attila
• 40:33
  the
• 40:33
  Hun.
• 40:34
  And
• 40:34
  then
• 40:34
  the
• 40:35
  character
• 40:35
  in
• 40:35
  the
• 40:35
  book
• 40:36
  says,
• 40:36
  everybody
• 40:36
  knows
• 40:37
  somebody
• 40:37
  who's
• 40:37
  Red
• 40:37
  meme.
• 40:38
  Kim
• 40:39
  said
• 40:39
  they
• 40:39
  can
• 40:40
  be
• 40:40
  like,
• 40:40
  so
• 40:41
  effing
• 40:41
  obvious.
• 40:42
  Sometimes
• 40:42
  they're
• 40:42
  really
• 40:43
  heroic,
• 40:43
  like
• 40:43
  a
• 40:44
  test
• 40:44
  pilot
• 40:45
  or
• 40:45
  a
• 40:45
  firefighter,
• 40:46
  but
• 40:47
  sometimes
• 40:47
  they're
• 40:47
  big,
• 40:48
  obnoxious,
• 40:49
  foul,
• 40:50
  loudmouth,
• 40:52
  just
• 40:52
  jerks.
• 40:54
  And,
• 40:54
  you
• 40:54
  know,
• 40:54
  I
• 40:54
  think
• 40:55
  we
• 40:56
  kind
• 40:56
  of
• 40:57
  can
• 40:57
  see
• 40:58
  that
• 40:58
  kind
• 40:58
  of
• 40:58
  mentality
• 41:00
  kind
• 41:00
  of
• 41:00
  taking
• 41:01
  place.
• 41:01
  And
• 41:01
  so
• 41:02
  that's,
• 41:02
  that's
• 41:03
  different
• 41:03
  than
• 41:04
  some
• 41:04
  of
• 41:04
  the
• 41:04
  sturdy
• 41:05
  things
• 41:05
  that
• 41:05
  we
• 41:06
  kind
• 41:06
  of
• 41:07
  have
• 41:07
  worked
• 41:07
  so
• 41:07
  hard
• 41:08
  to
• 41:08
  earn,
• 41:08
  which
• 41:08
  is
• 41:09
  a
• 41:09
  more
• 41:09
  modern,
• 41:10
  you
• 41:10
  know,
• 41:11
  that's
• 41:11
  below
• 41:11
  modernism.
• 41:12
  And
• 41:13
  some
• 41:13
  of
• 41:13
  the
• 41:13
  things
• 41:13
  I
• 41:13
  was
• 41:13
  talking
• 41:14
  about
• 41:14
  with
• 41:14
  postmodernism,
• 41:15
  where
• 41:16
  modernism
• 41:16
  really
• 41:17
  honors
• 41:17
  democratic
• 41:18
  principles.
• 41:19
  And,
• 41:20
  and
• 41:20
  then
• 41:20
  postmodernism
• 41:22
  wants
• 41:22
  to
• 41:22
  make
• 41:22
  sure
• 41:23
  that
• 41:23
  everybody
• 41:24
  is
• 41:24
  included,
• 41:25
  to
• 41:25
  make
• 41:26
  sure
• 41:26
  that
• 41:26
  those
• 41:26
  democratic
• 41:27
  principles
• 41:27
  are
• 41:27
  really
• 41:28
  honored
• 41:29
  for
• 41:29
  all
• 41:30
  beings.
• 41:30
  And
• 41:30
  so
• 41:31
  they
• 41:31
  make
• 41:31
  sure
• 41:32
  people
• 41:32
  with
• 41:32
  disabilities
• 41:33
  and
• 41:34
  transgender
• 41:35
  and,
• 41:35
  and
• 41:36
  more
• 41:36
  marginalized
• 41:37
  minority
• 41:38
  populations
• 41:39
  are
• 41:39
  part
• 41:39
  of
• 41:40
  it.
• 41:40
  So,
• 41:41
  you
• 41:41
  know,
• 41:41
  we
• 41:41
  have
• 41:42
  this
• 41:42
  potential
• 41:43
  problem.
• 41:44
  And
• 41:44
  so
• 41:44
  what
• 41:45
  has
• 41:45
  kind
• 41:46
  of
• 41:46
  exacerbated
• 41:47
  the
• 41:47
  situation.
• 41:48
  And
• 41:48
  if
• 41:49
  I
• 41:49
  think
• 41:49
  if
• 41:49
  we
• 41:49
  see
• 41:49
  what
• 41:50
  is
• 41:50
  exacerbated
• 41:51
  it,
• 41:52
  then
• 41:52
  we
• 41:53
  can
• 41:53
  start
• 41:53
  to
• 41:53
  talk
• 41:53
  about
• 41:54
  how
• 41:54
  do
• 41:55
  we
• 41:55
  kind
• 41:55
  of
• 41:55
  solve
• 41:56
  this.
• 41:56
  So
• 41:57
  David
• 41:58
  Suter,
• 41:58
  I
• 41:58
  mentioned
• 41:59
  him
• 41:59
  earlier,
• 41:59
  he
• 42:00
  was
• 42:00
  a
• 42:00
  late
• 42:00
  justice
• 42:01
  on
• 42:01
  the
• 42:02
  Supreme
• 42:02
  Court.
• 42:02
  He's
• 42:03
  actually
• 42:03
  from
• 42:03
  the
• 42:03
  state
• 42:03
  of
• 42:04
  New
• 42:04
  Hampshire.
• 42:05
  And
• 42:05
  he
• 42:06
  gave
• 42:06
  a
• 42:07
  talk
• 42:07
  in
• 42:08
  2012
• 42:10
  at
• 42:10
  the
• 42:10
  University
• 42:11
  of
• 42:11
  New
• 42:11
  Hampshire
• 42:11
  Law
• 42:12
  School.
• 42:13
  And
• 42:13
  it
• 42:14
  was
• 42:14
  towards
• 42:14
  the
• 42:14
  end.
• 42:15
  And
• 42:15
  it's
• 42:15
  something
• 42:15
  that
• 42:15
  actually
• 42:16
  stuck
• 42:16
  with
• 42:16
  my
• 42:16
  students
• 42:17
  because
• 42:17
  I
• 42:17
  had
• 42:17
  them
• 42:17
  watch
• 42:18
  the
• 42:18
  presentation
• 42:19
  at
• 42:20
  the
• 42:20
  beginning
• 42:20
  of
• 42:20
  the
• 42:20
  semester
• 42:22
  and
• 42:22
  it
• 42:22
  was
• 42:23
  talked.
• 42:23
  The
• 42:24
  question
• 42:24
  was
• 42:24
  like,
• 42:24
  the
• 42:25
  importance
• 42:25
  of
• 42:25
  civics
• 42:26
  in
• 42:27
  our
• 42:27
  educational
• 42:28
  system.
• 42:28
  And
• 42:28
  so
• 42:29
  I
• 42:29
  kind
• 42:29
  of
• 42:29
  want
• 42:29
  to
• 42:29
  just
• 42:30
  read
• 42:30
  what
• 42:30
  he.
• 42:31
  My
• 42:31
  notes
• 42:32
  on
• 42:32
  what
• 42:32
  he
• 42:32
  had
• 42:32
  to
• 42:33
  say
• 42:33
  and
• 42:34
  how
• 42:34
  he
• 42:34
  kind
• 42:34
  of
• 42:34
  foretold
• 42:35
  the
• 42:35
  problem
• 42:36
  that
• 42:37
  we're
• 42:37
  facing.
• 42:37
  So
• 42:38
  this
• 42:38
  is
• 42:38
  Justice
• 42:39
  Souter,
• 42:40
  he
• 42:40
  said,
• 42:40
  I
• 42:40
  don't
• 42:41
  think
• 42:41
  there's
• 42:41
  any
• 42:42
  problem
• 42:42
  more
• 42:42
  significant
• 42:43
  today
• 42:44
  than
• 42:45
  the
• 42:45
  problem
• 42:46
  of
• 42:46
  pervasive
• 42:47
  civic
• 42:48
  ignorance
• 42:48
  of
• 42:49
  the
• 42:49
  Constitution
• 42:50
  of
• 42:50
  the
• 42:50
  United
• 42:51
  States
• 42:51
  and
• 42:51
  our
• 42:52
  structure
• 42:52
  of
• 42:52
  government.
• 42:54
  We
• 42:54
  know
• 42:54
  that
• 42:55
  two
• 42:55
  thirds
• 42:55
  of
• 42:56
  the
• 42:56
  people
• 42:56
  of
• 42:56
  the
• 42:56
  United
• 42:57
  States
• 42:57
  don't
• 42:57
  know
• 42:57
  we
• 42:58
  have
• 42:58
  three
• 42:58
  branches
• 42:58
  of
• 42:59
  government
• 43:00
  that
• 43:00
  a
• 43:00
  majority
• 43:01
  in
• 43:01
  a
• 43:01
  survey
• 43:02
  believe
• 43:02
  that
• 43:02
  the
• 43:03
  Supreme
• 43:03
  Court
• 43:03
  was
• 43:03
  a
• 43:04
  committee
• 43:04
  in
• 43:04
  Congress.
• 43:06
  And
• 43:07
  I
• 43:07
  went
• 43:07
  to
• 43:08
  school,
• 43:08
  he
• 43:08
  said,
• 43:08
  I
• 43:08
  had
• 43:09
  two
• 43:09
  civic
• 43:09
  courses.
• 43:11
  It
• 43:11
  gave
• 43:11
  us
• 43:11
  a
• 43:11
  greater
• 43:12
  sense
• 43:12
  of
• 43:12
  our
• 43:12
  responsibility,
• 43:14
  et
• 43:14
  cetera.
• 43:15
  And
• 43:15
  he
• 43:16
  went
• 43:16
  on
• 43:16
  to
• 43:16
  say
• 43:17
  that
• 43:18
  the
• 43:18
  reason
• 43:18
  why
• 43:19
  it's
• 43:19
  a
• 43:19
  most
• 43:20
  significant
• 43:21
  problem
• 43:22
  is
• 43:22
  because
• 43:23
  if
• 43:23
  people
• 43:23
  don't
• 43:24
  understand
• 43:24
  how
• 43:24
  government
• 43:25
  functions,
• 43:26
  then
• 43:28
  that
• 43:28
  civic
• 43:28
  ignorance
• 43:29
  leads
• 43:29
  them
• 43:30
  to
• 43:30
  not
• 43:30
  know
• 43:30
  how
• 43:30
  to
• 43:31
  solve
• 43:32
  the
• 43:32
  problems
• 43:32
  that
• 43:32
  we
• 43:33
  face.
• 43:34
  And
• 43:34
  so
• 43:35
  he
• 43:35
  quoted
• 43:36
  Jefferson
• 43:36
  that
• 43:37
  an
• 43:37
  ignorant
• 43:37
  people
• 43:38
  can
• 43:39
  never
• 43:39
  remain
• 43:40
  a
• 43:40
  free
• 43:40
  people.
• 43:42
  And
• 43:42
  then
• 43:43
  went
• 43:43
  on
• 43:43
  to
• 43:43
  quote
• 43:44
  Franklin,
• 43:44
  who
• 43:44
  was
• 43:45
  asked
• 43:45
  after
• 43:46
  the
• 43:47
  1787
• 43:48
  convention
• 43:49
  that
• 43:49
  created
• 43:49
  our
• 43:49
  Constitution,
• 43:51
  what
• 43:51
  kind
• 43:51
  of
• 43:51
  government
• 43:52
  will
• 43:52
  we
• 43:52
  be
• 43:52
  getting?
• 43:53
  He
• 43:53
  was
• 43:53
  asked,
• 43:53
  and
• 43:54
  he
• 43:54
  answered,
• 43:54
  a
• 43:54
  republic,
• 43:55
  if
• 43:56
  you
• 43:56
  can
• 43:56
  keep
• 43:56
  it.
• 43:58
  And
• 43:58
  he
• 43:59
  went
• 43:59
  on
• 44:00
  Suter
• 44:00
  to
• 44:00
  say
• 44:01
  that
• 44:01
  you
• 44:01
  can't
• 44:02
  keep
• 44:02
  it
• 44:03
  with
• 44:03
  ignorance.
• 44:05
  And
• 44:05
  so
• 44:05
  then
• 44:05
  he
• 44:06
  this
• 44:06
  is
• 44:06
  the
• 44:06
  part
• 44:06
  that
• 44:07
  is
• 44:07
  kind
• 44:07
  of
• 44:07
  scary.
• 44:08
  He
• 44:08
  goes,
• 44:09
  I
• 44:09
  worry
• 44:10
  about
• 44:11
  the
• 44:11
  fact
• 44:11
  that
• 44:11
  if
• 44:12
  these
• 44:12
  problems
• 44:12
  aren't
• 44:13
  addressed,
• 44:14
  that
• 44:14
  people
• 44:14
  will
• 44:15
  not
• 44:15
  know
• 44:15
  who
• 44:15
  is
• 44:16
  responsible.
• 44:17
  And
• 44:17
  when
• 44:17
  the
• 44:18
  problems
• 44:18
  get
• 44:18
  bad
• 44:19
  enough,
• 44:20
  someone
• 44:20
  will
• 44:20
  come
• 44:21
  forward
• 44:21
  and
• 44:21
  say,
• 44:22
  give
• 44:22
  me
• 44:22
  total
• 44:23
  power
• 44:24
  and
• 44:24
  I
• 44:25
  will
• 44:25
  solve
• 44:25
  your
• 44:25
  problems.
• 44:27
  That's
• 44:28
  how
• 44:28
  the
• 44:28
  Roman
• 44:28
  Republic
• 44:29
  fell.
• 44:30
  Augustus
• 44:31
  became
• 44:31
  emperor
• 44:31
  because
• 44:32
  he
• 44:33
  promised
• 44:33
  to
• 44:33
  solve
• 44:34
  the
• 44:34
  problems
• 44:34
  that
• 44:34
  the
• 44:35
  Roman
• 44:35
  Senate
• 44:35
  weren't
• 44:36
  able
• 44:36
  to
• 44:36
  solve.
• 44:37
  Stay
• 44:38
  tuned
• 44:38
  for
• 44:38
  part
• 44:38
  two
• 44:38
  of
• 44:39
  this
• 44:39
  compelling
• 44:39
  conversation
• 44:40
  with
• 44:40
  Mark
• 44:40
  Fischler,
• 44:41
  in
• 44:41
  which
• 44:41
  we
• 44:41
  move
• 44:42
  from
• 44:42
  the
• 44:42
  roots
• 44:42
  of
• 44:43
  how
• 44:43
  we
• 44:43
  got
• 44:43
  here
• 44:43
  to
• 44:44
  how
• 44:44
  we
• 44:44
  can
• 44:44
  evolutionarily
• 44:45
  get
• 44:45
  out
• 44:45
  of
• 44:45
  here
• 44:46
  and
• 44:46
  create
• 44:46
  a
• 44:46
  more
• 44:47
  noble
• 44:47
  and
• 44:47
  beautiful
• 44:48
  body
• 44:48
  politic
• 44:48
  to
• 44:49
  help
• 44:49
  heal
• 44:49
  our
• 44:49
  country
• 44:50
  and
• 44:50
  from
• 44:50
  there
• 44:50
  the
• 44:51
  world.
• 44:51
  Thank
• 44:52
  you
• 44:52
  very
• 44:52
  much
• 44:52
  for
• 44:53
  being
• 44:53
  a
• 44:53
  part
• 44:53
  of
• 44:53
  this
• 44:54
  conversation.
• 44:54
  We
• 44:55
  hope
• 44:55
  that
• 44:55
  you
• 44:55
  were
• 44:55
  moved
• 44:56
  as
• 44:56
  we
• 44:56
  are
• 44:57
  moved
• 44:57
  being
• 44:57
  part
• 44:57
  of
• 44:58
  it
• 44:58
  ourselves.
• 44:59
  We'd
• 44:59
  also
• 44:59
  like
• 44:59
  to
• 45:00
  say
• 45:00
  that
• 45:00
  this
• 45:00
  is
• 45:00
  being
• 45:01
  funded
• 45:01
  by
• 45:02
  Roger
• 45:02
  and
• 45:02
  myself.
• 45:02
  It
• 45:03
  comes
• 45:03
  out
• 45:03
  of
• 45:03
  our
• 45:03
  pockets.
• 45:04
  So
• 45:04
  if
• 45:04
  you
• 45:04
  would
• 45:04
  like
• 45:04
  to
• 45:05
  help
• 45:05
  us
• 45:05
  to
• 45:06
  mainly
• 45:06
  to
• 45:07
  get
• 45:07
  this
• 45:07
  podcast
• 45:07
  out
• 45:08
  to
• 45:08
  more
• 45:08
  people
• 45:08
  because
• 45:09
  the
• 45:09
  bigger
• 45:09
  audience
• 45:09
  have
• 45:10
  which
• 45:10
  is
• 45:10
  steadily
• 45:10
  growing
• 45:11
  but
• 45:11
  the
• 45:11
  more
• 45:11
  people
• 45:12
  we
• 45:12
  can
• 45:12
  reach
• 45:12
  and
• 45:12
  the
• 45:12
  more
• 45:12
  marketing
• 45:13
  we
• 45:13
  can
• 45:13
  do
• 45:14
  the
• 45:14
  more
• 45:14
  positive
• 45:15
  effect
• 45:15
  we
• 45:15
  can
• 45:15
  can
• 45:15
  have
• 45:16
  on
• 45:16
  the
• 45:16
  world.
• 45:16
  So
• 45:16
  we've
• 45:17
  done
• 45:17
  a
• 45:17
  couple
• 45:17
  of
• 45:17
  ways
• 45:18
  but
• 45:18
  we'd
• 45:18
  like
• 45:18
  you
• 45:18
  to
• 45:19
  buy
• 45:19
  us
• 45:19
  a
• 45:19
  cup
• 45:19
  of
• 45:19
  coffee
• 45:20
  very
• 45:20
  simple
• 45:20
  and
• 45:21
  I
• 45:21
  do
• 45:21
  that
• 45:21
  with
• 45:21
  podcasts
• 45:22
  that
• 45:23
  I
• 45:23
  support
• 45:24
  and
• 45:24
  I
• 45:24
  find
• 45:24
  it's
• 45:25
  very
• 45:25
  satisfying.
• 45:26
  So
• 45:26
  thank
• 45:26
  you
• 45:26
  for
• 45:26
  your
• 45:26
  help,
• 45:27
  thank
• 45:27
  you
• 45:27
  for
• 45:27
  your
• 45:28
  presence
• 45:28
  and
• 45:28
  thank
• 45:28
  you
• 45:29
  for
• 45:29
  all
• 45:29
  you
• 45:29
  are
• 45:30
  and
• 45:30
  all
• 45:30
  you
• 45:30
  do.
• 45:30
  We
• 45:31
  love
• 45:31
  you.