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Freedom Dies By Algorithm - Jeff Dornik #6401 · Financial Survival Network

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Speaker 2: Welcome, this is Financial Survival Network. I'm your host, Carrie Lutz.
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Speaker 2: Got a fellow kindred soul with us today, Jeff Dornick,
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Speaker 2: CEO of Pickax Network podcast network, and he's got a
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Speaker 2: podcast too, the Jeff Dornick Podcast. It's on Spotify and
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Speaker 2: I assume on iTunes and wherever fine podcasts are to
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Speaker 2: be found. Jeff, it's great to have you on the show.
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Speaker 2: We've got a few things to talk about.
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Speaker 3: Uh Ai.
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Speaker 2: First and foremost, this is effectively become an unstoppable force
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Speaker 2: of nature. But you have reservations.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I definitely do have reservations. And I think you know,
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Speaker 3: before I started building out Pickax, which is a social
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Speaker 3: media platform, the whole, the whole idea at the early
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Speaker 3: onset of it was just how do we have an
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Speaker 3: actual free speech platform? Because Elon Musk bought Twitter turned
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Speaker 3: it into an x and then UH and then basically
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Speaker 3: put in a policy that says that you have freedom
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Speaker 3: of speech, but not freedom of reach, so they can
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Speaker 3: kind of basically limit what limit your reach, which to
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Speaker 3: me is a violation of the spirit of the First Amendment.
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Speaker 3: And then it morphed into you know, kind of combating
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Speaker 3: encountering the AI and algorithm world. So the more that
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Speaker 3: I dive into artificial intelligence, the more concerned I am
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Speaker 3: with the trajectory of everything because of how manipulative it is.
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Speaker 3: But then also you listen to the guys that are
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Speaker 3: developing the artificial intelligence, guys like Bill Gates, Larry Ellison,
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Speaker 3: Sam Alton, and Elon Musk, the whole gang. They're all saying,
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Speaker 3: within the next decade, AI is going to replace everybody
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Speaker 3: in the workforce, just be no more need for human
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Speaker 3: beings to be in the workforce at all. Elon Musk
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Speaker 3: goes on Joe Rogan's podcast and and literally says in
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Speaker 3: his own words that he's using capitalism with Tesla and
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Speaker 3: XAI in order to usher in a communist utopia. And
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Speaker 3: he explains that communism always fails because of a lack
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Speaker 3: of resources, but this time around using optimist robots and AI,
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Speaker 3: you know technology. Basically now they can they can have
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Speaker 3: they can have a surplus of resources, never run out
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Speaker 3: of anything. And uh, and then finally we can have
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Speaker 3: a communist utopia, to which I'm like, is that really
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Speaker 3: where we want to go? And is that really the
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Speaker 3: wise thing to do? To have elon Musk that close
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Speaker 3: to the White House. It's a little a little weird there.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, well and really, uh, what are we supposed to do?
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Speaker 2: We're supposed to just have fun all day like clockwork
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Speaker 2: orange and take Soma and everything's fine. I mean about
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Speaker 2: people who actually want to feel like, uh, your life
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Speaker 2: has meaning, Like you're you're trying to accomplish something, but
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Speaker 2: the AI has already outthought you and already accomplished it
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Speaker 2: for you, or in your name for that matter. And
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Speaker 2: and and you know deep fakes.
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Speaker 3: Uh.
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Speaker 2: You know, I heard a podcast generated by Gemini, and
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Speaker 2: I'm pretty good at pulling this stuff out.
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Speaker 3: I could.
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Speaker 2: I did not know the first time that it was a.
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Speaker 3: I M yep, it's get, it's get, it's getting. It's
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Speaker 3: getting really good, which which is wild and very realistic.
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Speaker 3: There's still a sterility, I think to a lot of
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Speaker 3: the AI, especially when it comes on to the creative
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Speaker 3: projects that it's doing that it lacks soul, it lacks
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Speaker 3: you know, and all that, but it does a very
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Speaker 3: good job of simulating real life and simulating you know,
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Speaker 3: all that. It's interesting because because like you're asking, like, okay,
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Speaker 3: what you know, where? Where does all this go in
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Speaker 3: the sense of, you know, a human purpose and you know,
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Speaker 3: work and all of that, and and I believe was
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Speaker 3: that the world economic for me. Elon Musk was asked
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Speaker 3: that question when he was on stage, and to which
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Speaker 3: he basically he shrugs his shoulders and goes, hey, nothing's perfect,
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Speaker 3: and so you know, you know, he's not a good answer,
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Speaker 3: not a good answer, you know. He also a couple
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Speaker 3: of years ago, he had a conversation with Benjamin net
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Speaker 3: Yahoo and Net and Yahoo asked him specifically, what's the
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Speaker 3: end game of AI? Where is all this going? Where
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Speaker 3: is it taking us? And Elon said, We're gonna have
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Speaker 3: one of two scenarios. It's either gonna be Terminator where
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Speaker 3: the robots take over and we are subservient to AI
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Speaker 3: and basically we're at a constant battle with him and
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Speaker 3: all that kind of stuff, or He described that the
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Speaker 3: other scenario would be that we can have heaven on Earth,
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Speaker 3: and then net Yahuo asked the next logical question, which
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Speaker 3: is what does that look like? What is heaven on Earth? Well,
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Speaker 3: it would basically be, you know, your brains connected the
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Speaker 3: internet with his neuralink chip. You could just think things
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Speaker 3: and you instantly have information. You don't have to work,
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Speaker 3: So we're gonna have to have universal basic income because
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Speaker 3: you you can't work. Sam Altman is now rebranding it
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Speaker 3: as a dividend from the tech companies who stole your jobs.
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Speaker 3: So now not only are you getting UBI, but you're
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Speaker 3: getting UBI not from the government, which technically we can
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Speaker 3: still vote to, you know, deal with things and ramifications,
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Speaker 3: but we'd be getting UBI from private companies. They don't
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Speaker 3: have a constitutional responsibility to protect our free speech rights
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Speaker 3: or anything along those lines. So when you look at
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Speaker 3: it from from this perspective, you're like Elon must then
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Speaker 3: is basically describing you know, all ever, nobody will be
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Speaker 3: able to work, and you're basically just going to live
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Speaker 3: a hedonistic lifestyle of just do what you want, be entertained,
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Speaker 3: just think things and they come to existence. We can
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Speaker 3: three D printer, you meals, we'll be able to three
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Speaker 3: D print whatever it is that you need. You don't
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Speaker 3: need to travel because your brain's connected to the internet.
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Speaker 3: We can simulate you traveling to another country matrix style,
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Speaker 3: just by closing your eyes and just connecting yours. It's
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Speaker 3: wild when you think about it from that perspective. And
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Speaker 3: I had a psychiatrist on my show a couple of
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Speaker 3: months ago, and we were talking about this idea of
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Speaker 3: right now, especially in a lot of the major cities
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Speaker 3: that are dominated by you know, Democrat policies and socialism
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Speaker 3: and welfare and all that kind of stuff, you have
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Speaker 3: a mental health crisis where people are on prescription drugs,
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Speaker 3: they're on psychiatric drugs, they're dealing with all sorts of
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Speaker 3: mental health issues, and the core issue among the vast
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Speaker 3: majority of it is a lack of purpose that a
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Speaker 3: lot of young people especially are feeling today. What's that
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Speaker 3: going to be when nobody has purpose? What's our society
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Speaker 3: going to be like? And the mental health conditions they're
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Speaker 3: going to be popping up when literally nobody has purpose,
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Speaker 3: nobody can work, nobody owns anything, and this is the
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Speaker 3: world economic forum, You're going to own nothing in quote
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Speaker 3: unquote be happy. Can you really be happy if you
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Speaker 3: have no purpose? I don't know what they're thinking of.
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Speaker 2: No, No, because you know what I tell people, and
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Speaker 2: it's worked for me. When you're going down the wrong
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Speaker 2: path or when you're feeling really down, when you know
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Speaker 2: it often is because you've lost touch with your purpose
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Speaker 2: or haven't found another purpose. Why so many people retire
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Speaker 2: from work and then they're dead two months later. And
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Speaker 2: if you're unhappy, the best thing you can do in
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Speaker 2: life is find new purpose, repurpose your life. And it's
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Speaker 2: worked for me a number of times. And so when
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Speaker 2: they've already thought of everything you could do, repurpose your
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Speaker 2: life to what are you supposed to do? And I
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Speaker 2: think this is a legitimate issue, unlike the other phases
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Speaker 2: of the Industrial revolution, the information revolution, where it actually
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Speaker 2: created more jobs. In retrospect, maybe we all should become
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Speaker 2: Luddites and start crashing the loons here, you know.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, you know, And I think specifically when it
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Speaker 3: comes to that, you know, everybody always, you know, tells me,
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Speaker 3: Jeff it's inevitable, which I think AI development is inevitable
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Speaker 3: unless literally somebody decides, let's shut down the power grade
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Speaker 3: and no more electricity. I mean, AI is going to
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Speaker 3: continue to ramp up and you know, and get more
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Speaker 3: and more power and more and more control. Like that's inevitable, Yes,
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Speaker 3: for sure. The problem though, is in what ways are
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Speaker 3: we allowing it to get more powerful and to develop,
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Speaker 3: and are we putting up guardrails in order to protect
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Speaker 3: our constitutional rights, protect our free speech rights, protect our
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Speaker 3: privacy rights, protect you know, ownership copyright laws, like the
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Speaker 3: whole deal. And I don't feel like we're doing a
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Speaker 3: very good job of that right now as a society
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Speaker 3: and as a country. Right now, it's kind of like
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Speaker 3: the wild wild West when it comes to artificial intelligence,
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Speaker 3: and I think that it's moving at such a fast
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Speaker 3: rapid rate. I don't know if we'd be able to
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Speaker 3: get legislation to catch up to it unless we actually
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Speaker 3: start dealing with it right here, right now and put
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Speaker 3: up certain guardrails in order to protect our civil liberties
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Speaker 3: and civil rights. And that's the thing that I'm concerned about,
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Speaker 3: because when you look at the past, you look at
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Speaker 3: certain innovations, you go back and you look at you
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Speaker 3: look at the invention of the automobile. You know, oh yeah,
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Speaker 3: it takes away certain jobs you start getting now self
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Speaker 3: driving cars that's taking always at you know, other jobs,
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Speaker 3: lift drivers, you know, cab drivers, all that kind of stuff.
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Speaker 3: You know, when it's when it's targeting one specific industry, Okay, yeah,
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Speaker 3: you know, you can find a way to adapt, you
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Speaker 3: can find a way maybe hop into a different industry
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Speaker 3: and all that. What happens if it's coming from all
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Speaker 3: the industries, which is what it's doing right now. You
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Speaker 3: go back to the the Tesla shareholders event that Elon
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Speaker 3: Musk had not too not too long ago, where they
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Speaker 3: rolled out there their self driving taxis and they gave
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Speaker 3: us a tease sneak peek at the Optimist robots. It
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Speaker 3: was wild and I was I was just sitting there
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Speaker 3: and you're like, Okay, this is like apocalyptic when you
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Speaker 3: when you actually think about it. Because the teaser promos
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Speaker 3: that they had for that was that Optimist robots will
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Speaker 3: be able to babysit your kids, They'll be able to
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Speaker 3: be your private ship, they'll be able to be your doctor.
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Speaker 3: They're going to do surgery, they're going to you know,
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Speaker 3: replace attorneys, They're going to do all these different things.
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Speaker 3: They had Optimist Robots as the bartenders at the event.
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Speaker 3: Elon Musk actually set up a restaurant in West Hollywood.
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Speaker 3: A lot of people don't know this in West Hollywood
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Speaker 3: Tesla Restaurant where Optimist robots, where the servers and the
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Speaker 3: waiters and the bartenders and the cooks and the whole deal. Like,
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Speaker 3: that's where they're taking all of this kind of stuff.
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Speaker 3: And it's like, okay, so if they're going to replace
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Speaker 3: everybody's job, to me, this is not something like, oh,
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Speaker 3: you learn, learn a new skill, learn a new craft.
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Speaker 3: There's not going to be anything else to learn for
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Speaker 3: you to be self.
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Speaker 2: Sufficient, totally, totally, that's the I think that's the ultimate
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Speaker 2: result here. And I don't think most of you out
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Speaker 2: there are prepared for this. Nobody's prepared for it. And
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Speaker 2: you know, look, I have a Tesla. It drives me now.
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Speaker 2: Ninety six percent of the time, it's in full self
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Speaker 2: driving and the only time I take control really is
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Speaker 2: in dicey situations, parking lots and just intersections that I
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Speaker 2: don't trust it on, but it would probably get through
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Speaker 2: the intersection, so okay if I let it. But you
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Speaker 2: know you're talking about drivers, Well, the largest job category
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Speaker 2: in the United States is driver of all sorts over
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Speaker 2: ten million people. And that's truck drivers, that's a taxi delivery,
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Speaker 2: Amazon ups. I guess you could even say postal FedEx.
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Speaker 2: So when that's all gone, what are those ten million
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Speaker 2: people going to do?
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Speaker 3: Yeah? I mean that's that's the real question, is that.
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Speaker 3: And like that's the thing is that you know, you know,
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Speaker 3: when I do a lot of these kinds of interviews,
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Speaker 3: Everybody's like, okay, so what what career path is like
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Speaker 3: the safest okay? And I'm like, in the end, none
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Speaker 3: of them because AI and optimist robots and like they're
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Speaker 3: going to place it construction workers. They're going to replace doctors,
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Speaker 3: They're going to replace attorneys, like they're they're going to
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Speaker 3: replace teacher. I mean, Milania Trump, she just had an
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Speaker 3: event with all the first ladies of all the different
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Speaker 3: countries and she was walked out by a humanoid robot.
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Speaker 3: And then she pitched to everybody that we need to
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Speaker 3: start using these humanoid robots in the classroom to teach
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Speaker 3: our kids because they're more effective at teaching our kids
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Speaker 3: because they have all the information. And in her in
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Speaker 3: her words, you know, imagine if we could have you know,
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Speaker 3: an AI robot, you know, teaching our kids as Plato
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Speaker 3: or as a great philosopher. And you're just like, so,
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Speaker 3: now we're going to take away the human element out
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Speaker 3: of teaching that right now? Like what else? Like what's
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Speaker 3: the point of even teaching at that point? If robots
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Speaker 3: are gonna be doing everything, if AI is going to
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Speaker 3: be doing everything. And I think that this is where,
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Speaker 3: this is where you know, I've been very you know,
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Speaker 3: you know again, I'm a lifelong you know, Republican conservative.
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Speaker 3: I voted for Trump three times. I wish I could
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Speaker 3: have voted for him in twenty twelve or excuse me
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Speaker 3: back back then when I want him to run instead
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Speaker 3: of Romney. But I'm very concerned this administration, specifically right now,
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Speaker 3: because they're fast tracked AI in a way that I
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Speaker 3: think is reckless, and I and I think that they're
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Speaker 3: setting us up for extreme centralization of power and in
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Speaker 3: the My my argument here is that you know what
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Speaker 3: what what the what his advisors are, I believe, are
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Speaker 3: telling him is like, you have to beat China in
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Speaker 3: the in the AI dominance race. You we have to
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Speaker 3: beat China. Okay, that's fine, but at what cost? That
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Speaker 3: That's the thing that I come back to at what cost? Uh,
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Speaker 3: Because because right now you can make the argument that, Okay,
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Speaker 3: they're centralizing all the databases, they're centralizing all the information
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Speaker 3: across and implementing AI across all the different bureaucracies, all
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Speaker 3: the different agencies, the FDA, HHS, FBI, c i A,
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Speaker 3: the whole gamut. Right, so now you can make the argument, well,
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Speaker 3: the Trump administration or RFK Junior or Toulsi Gabbard when
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Speaker 3: she was in or whoever it is, they're not going
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Speaker 3: to abuse that power. They're gonna use it to actually
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Speaker 3: help them and benefit you know, American people and all that.
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Speaker 3: What happens if then when Gavin Newsom becomes president in
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Speaker 3: twenty twenty eight, like like, that's the thing that I keep,
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Speaker 3: I keep and you know throwing out during everybody is
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Speaker 3: now what you did is you just centralized all the information,
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Speaker 3: all the data, set up artificial intelligence in a way
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Speaker 3: that now it can be weaponized against us, and basically
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Speaker 3: we have no recourse. And that's my concern is we
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Speaker 3: have we have to not just look at the potential benefits,
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Speaker 3: but we have to look at the potential pitfalls and
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Speaker 3: the potential ramifications. And I don't feel like anybody's actually
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Speaker 3: doing that right now.
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Speaker 2: I couldn't agree with you more.
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Speaker 3: And look, look what happened.
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Speaker 2: With the Patriot Act right right, a perfect example of
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Speaker 2: what you're talking about, where it really led to major,
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Speaker 2: major abuses and nobody is exempt. And every single thing
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Speaker 2: you do on the web, everything whether you have a
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Speaker 2: VPN or not, is being stored someplace, and you know,
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Speaker 2: national Security they just do a query and everything you
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Speaker 2: ever did on the Internet is there for them to review.
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Speaker 3: So so yeah, I mean I don't.
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Speaker 2: But unfortunately I don't see a solution. And uh, you know,
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Speaker 2: it's like if we don't do it, China will I
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Speaker 2: don't believe that China at this point is a particular threat.
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Speaker 3: In AI.
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Speaker 2: As it's made out to be. Most of the AI
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Speaker 2: of theirs that I've used is like a front end
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Speaker 2: to to like chat GPT or claude. You know, it's
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Speaker 2: not real. It's what I would call tofu dreg AI
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Speaker 2: and definitely definitely problems ahead. So if you could had
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Speaker 2: President Trump's ear and he would listen, what would you
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Speaker 2: tell him to do?
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Speaker 3: Well? I think not number one, it would be to
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Speaker 3: to put up certain safeguards in order to protect our
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Speaker 3: constitutional rights and protect jobs most I think, I think
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Speaker 3: most importantly, I think we need to protect jobs, make
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Speaker 3: sure that the AI is being used as tools, not
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Speaker 3: as replacement for human beings in the workforce. I think,
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Speaker 3: I think that that's vitally important for you know, human
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Speaker 3: I mean, our family fathers established America where the individual
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Speaker 3: is pre eminent. In the individual was the ultimate authority,
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Speaker 3: and then each level that we got away from the
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Speaker 3: individual had less and less authority, and to to where
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Speaker 3: the federal government supposed at the least amount authority. With
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Speaker 3: artificial intelligence, the federal government will have all authority and
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Speaker 3: then the individual will basically have none. So we need
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Speaker 3: to do something in order to at least preserve some
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Speaker 3: semblance of Americans having individual sovereignty, individual rights, you know,
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Speaker 3: personal property rights, you know, intellectual property rights and all
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Speaker 3: that you know. Right now, AI is basically using all
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Speaker 3: of our intellectual property right now in their large language models,
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Speaker 3: and then they're spitting out, you know, information based upon
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Speaker 3: our intellectual property. That was a big part and a
16:58
Speaker 3: lot of people don't realize this. That was a big
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Speaker 3: part of the Hollywood writers strike that happened a few
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Speaker 3: years ago. Because you know what the studios we're doing
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Speaker 3: is they were cutting out the writers on the first
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Speaker 3: draft of a script, which is the most lucrative draft
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Speaker 3: of a script, and they were basically inputting all the writers,
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Speaker 3: all the screenwriters previous scripts into an AI. So then
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Speaker 3: that way they could just say, hey, write us a
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Speaker 3: movie that's like Diehard needs you know, Guardians of the
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Speaker 3: Galaxy with make it funny, make it whatever it is,
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Speaker 3: and then they would they would pump it out. So basically,
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Speaker 3: they're using intellectual property that somebody else should be earning
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Speaker 3: a royalty on and then using that in order to
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Speaker 3: create something new, and people are not getting the kind
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Speaker 3: of credit that they should be doing. So many content creators, writers,
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Speaker 3: bloggers are being completely pushed to the side on Google
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Speaker 3: because of Google's now implementation of AI within search results.
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Speaker 3: There's so many things here that I think that if
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Speaker 3: the Trump administration was to put Americans first, especially when
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Speaker 3: it comes to artificial intelligence, there would be certain safeguards
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Speaker 3: up that protect speech, that protect privacy rights, that protect
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Speaker 3: intellectual property. And I think and I think that that's
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Speaker 3: so very important. Yeah, I agree with it.
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Speaker 2: Well, I wrote an article just god, what was it?
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Speaker 2: Today and basically about here's the issue with drivers. If
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Speaker 2: Tesla's AI really is three or four times safer than
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Speaker 2: humans driving, okay, well accept that as a given. How
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Speaker 2: does the federal government say no, you can't have it,
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Speaker 2: you can't use it, and say that there's thirty six
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Speaker 2: thousand people dying every year, twenty five thousand in theory
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Speaker 2: could be could be preserved or you know, die of
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Speaker 2: other causes. And it becomes like with the FDA, you
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Speaker 2: submited a new drug and you find that it cures
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Speaker 2: a sixty seventy percent of the cancers out there, and
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Speaker 2: the FDA has say, oh, we got to let this
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Speaker 2: go right now.
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Speaker 3: It would be in you mean not to.
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Speaker 2: And then in addition, this totally revamps the entire tort
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Speaker 2: system law firms contingent fees because we go from a
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Speaker 2: system where we have personal responsibility and negligence to product liability.
19:25
Speaker 3: You're relying on a product.
19:27
Speaker 2: And then all the courts and speeding don't forget like
19:32
Speaker 2: speeding is huge extractive revenue throughout the country. If there's
19:38
Speaker 2: no longer speeding laws, then what do we need to
19:41
Speaker 2: stay troopers for on the side of the road to
19:44
Speaker 2: give you a ticket for going three miles over the
19:46
Speaker 2: speed limit, and it's a chain reaction. And then insurance,
19:52
Speaker 2: like why do we need Warren Buffett's Geico or Gico
19:57
Speaker 2: becomes a fraction of itself because it's just insure during
20:00
Speaker 2: the actual companies that produced the self driving vehicles, not
20:05
Speaker 2: the autonomous vehicles, not the actual driver itself.
20:09
Speaker 3: Right, yeah, well you know, and and and the thing
20:12
Speaker 3: is that especially you know, on a self on a
20:15
Speaker 3: selfish reason, I I I don't do you use self
20:18
Speaker 3: driving cars because I get horrible car car sickness. It's
20:22
Speaker 3: it's hereditary that gets passed down. So I'm like, I'm
20:24
Speaker 3: going to be driving till the day I die because
20:26
Speaker 3: because because like I literally can't. Or also I feel
20:28
Speaker 3: like I got I got a barf. But but but
20:32
Speaker 3: you know what what's interesting is that there is there
20:35
Speaker 3: is this push now for the federal government and even
20:39
Speaker 3: states now offering immunity and liability immunity to a variety
20:44
Speaker 3: of different industries. And I think that what they're going
20:46
Speaker 3: to end up doing, especially when it comes to like
20:48
Speaker 3: self driving cars, because you know, they're going to want
20:50
Speaker 3: to get you know, these AI companies to you know,
20:53
Speaker 3: basically just replace all you know, human driving cars and
20:56
Speaker 3: you know get ai, you know uh, you know driven cars,
20:59
Speaker 3: you know, going and self driving. So what they'll probably
21:01
Speaker 3: end up doing because that would be a massive liability
21:04
Speaker 3: on those on those car on those car companies. I
21:07
Speaker 3: think what they're gonna keep doing is offering liability immunity
21:09
Speaker 3: to them. That will then keep the insurance industry afloat,
21:12
Speaker 3: because the insurance industry will will still continue to be
21:15
Speaker 3: there because they'll have to be the ones that cover
21:17
Speaker 3: the cost of of you know, any accidents or any
21:20
Speaker 3: glitches or anything like that, because you can't hold the
21:22
Speaker 3: tech companies liable. And so I think I think that
21:25
Speaker 3: that's where it's gonna be to where it's almost like
21:28
Speaker 3: it'll be artificially propped up at least for a certain
21:31
Speaker 3: period of time where it's not just gonna be utter
21:35
Speaker 3: catastrophe right from the get go. But in the end,
21:38
Speaker 3: it's like you start, you start looking at this and
21:40
Speaker 3: you're like, Okay, so yes, we can save some lives
21:42
Speaker 3: with with self driving cars, but at what cost? What
21:46
Speaker 3: is this going to do? Because because when you think
21:47
Speaker 3: about it, if everything is a self driving car, because
21:49
Speaker 3: it's quote unquote safer. This is the same thing as
21:52
Speaker 3: like the Patriot Act. This is the same thing as
21:53
Speaker 3: everything else. You exchange your your independence, You exchange your
21:58
Speaker 3: freedom for person safety. So you know, you know, if
22:02
Speaker 3: all of a sudden they decide, you know what, we
22:04
Speaker 3: don't like you know, where you're going, we don't like
22:06
Speaker 3: the people that you're hanging out with, they would have
22:08
Speaker 3: the power to shut down your car and not allow
22:10
Speaker 3: you to go to a particular destination. If they want
22:12
Speaker 3: to set up fifteen minute cities. Guess what they have
22:15
Speaker 3: the power to because you don't have self driving cars anymore. Like,
22:18
Speaker 3: so we're exchanging our you know, you know, perceie our
22:21
Speaker 3: freedoms and our liberties and our constitutional rights and in
22:24
Speaker 3: the whole deal in exchange for perceived safety, which may
22:30
Speaker 3: or may not be true in the in the in
22:32
Speaker 3: the long term.
22:33
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh, I definitely see your point, and I think
22:36
Speaker 2: it's valid. But you know, the trains left the station,
22:40
Speaker 2: or I should say that Tesla has has left the
22:43
Speaker 2: depot here. You know, we're going to have these self
22:46
Speaker 2: driving robo taxis. They're already happening. I mean, Weno really
22:53
Speaker 2: isn't the threat. It's the Tesla robo taxi that really
22:57
Speaker 2: is because it doesn't need a premapped root. But you know,
23:03
Speaker 2: I guess we confront an issue here that humanity is
23:07
Speaker 2: never effaced, where our technology basically makes humans obsolete.
23:14
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's true. And then at a certain point when
23:18
Speaker 3: you look at the way that the powerful elite and
23:21
Speaker 3: the powers that be often are, at a certain point,
23:25
Speaker 3: if you're not contributing anything to society and they don't
23:28
Speaker 3: need you anymore, are they really going to keep us around?
23:31
Speaker 3: They promise us they will. They promise us they'll give
23:33
Speaker 3: us ubi, and they'll give us entertainment, they'll give us,
23:35
Speaker 3: you know, freedom and the whole deal. But you know,
23:38
Speaker 3: at a certain point, if there's no more need for us,
23:40
Speaker 3: what's going to be their motivation? Like the benevolence because
23:44
Speaker 3: they love us, because they want to take care of us.
23:45
Speaker 3: Do you really think that these multi multi billionaires, the
23:48
Speaker 3: ones that are behind all the crazy vaccines and the
23:51
Speaker 3: crazy genetic testing and all the craziness that's going on
23:54
Speaker 3: in the world, they're going to be the ones that like, yeah,
23:57
Speaker 3: we want to take care of you, We want to
23:58
Speaker 3: make sure that you're happy. At a certain point, you're
24:01
Speaker 3: kind of like, yeah, But what's going to be your
24:04
Speaker 3: motivation to do that? Not just in a couple of years,
24:06
Speaker 3: because you're going to hold onto it for a little
24:07
Speaker 3: bit because you need us to exchange our freedom to
24:10
Speaker 3: you in order for you to get all the power.
24:12
Speaker 3: But what's going to happen in twenty years when all
24:14
Speaker 3: of a sudden you're like, you know, screw you, we
24:16
Speaker 3: don't need you anymore.
24:18
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, well, what do they call humans? Useless eaters?
24:23
Speaker 3: Right?
24:24
Speaker 2: Yes, it's like, you know, why do we have all
24:27
Speaker 2: these machines laboring in the food in the fields just
24:30
Speaker 2: to feed you? And yeah, I wrote an article a
24:34
Speaker 2: while back called the Last Driver and everything is self driving.
24:39
Speaker 2: And there's one guy. He's got his two thousand and
24:43
Speaker 2: twelve Mustang convertible and he goes for one last ride
24:50
Speaker 2: and because they've done away with all the traffic signals,
24:54
Speaker 2: they've done away with the signs, you know, there's no
24:59
Speaker 2: longer any humans driving, and he rereeks havoc upon all
25:05
Speaker 2: the autonomous vehicles, and you know, he gets brought before
25:10
Speaker 2: a tribunal, an AI tribunal, for messing everything up, and
25:15
Speaker 2: you know, eventually they take his car away from him.
25:18
Speaker 2: But that's absurd, but it's kind of like what we're
25:22
Speaker 2: looking at here, Yeah, it is.
25:25
Speaker 3: And I think that this is where like like you said,
25:28
Speaker 3: I think, I think AI and the development AI is inevitable.
25:32
Speaker 3: What's not inevitable are the policies and the legislation that
25:36
Speaker 3: we put that we put in place for either green
25:40
Speaker 3: lighting everything that the AI developers want to develop, or
25:43
Speaker 3: putting up guardrails and safety precautions to protect our individual
25:48
Speaker 3: sovereignty and constitutional rights. And I think that we're we're
25:51
Speaker 3: facing a constitutional crisis in my opinion, on whether or
25:56
Speaker 3: not we as American citizens actually value our constitutional rights.
26:01
Speaker 3: And I think that there's been a systematic dismantling of
26:04
Speaker 3: the Constitution over the last century or so, and a
26:08
Speaker 3: lot of it goes back, you know, and I'm a Christian,
26:12
Speaker 3: but as you as you really look at the at
26:14
Speaker 3: the world view of our founding fathers, the entire American
26:18
Speaker 3: experiment was established on this kind of one foundational principle
26:22
Speaker 3: that you are created by God. And because you're created
26:25
Speaker 3: by God, you are created in His image. By being
26:29
Speaker 3: in His image, you have certain inalienbal rights that are
26:31
Speaker 3: God given, not given you by the government, but God
26:33
Speaker 3: given and you have value as an individual because you're
26:36
Speaker 3: creating in the image of God. What's been happening over
26:39
Speaker 3: the last century has been the secularization of American society.
26:43
Speaker 3: They're denying the existence of God in general. And what
26:46
Speaker 3: happens if you deny the existence of God, there's no
26:48
Speaker 3: more rights giver, There's no more you know, God given rights.
26:51
Speaker 3: Then these rights can be given and taken away by
26:54
Speaker 3: the government. I think that this is really where we're
26:56
Speaker 3: at this crisis now of do we actually have constant
27:00
Speaker 3: tutional rights if our society does not believe that there
27:04
Speaker 3: is even a God that can give you those rights.
27:07
Speaker 3: And I think that that's what we're facing right now
27:08
Speaker 3: in this new era of artificial intelligence, where these big
27:12
Speaker 3: tech oligarchs are trying to basically replace God in our
27:16
Speaker 3: society right now with artificial intelligence and these humanoid robots.
27:21
Speaker 3: And it really comes down to are we going to
27:25
Speaker 3: fight for our rights because we believe that God gave
27:29
Speaker 3: them to us, or are we going to hand them
27:31
Speaker 3: over to these guys because they're promising us safety, the
27:33
Speaker 3: promising you, the promising us you be either promising us
27:36
Speaker 3: all these things. It's very reminiscent of the of the
27:40
Speaker 3: snake in the Garden of Eden. You know, I mean,
27:42
Speaker 3: we're gonna give you all knowledge. We're going to just
27:44
Speaker 3: take a bite of this apple We'll just get you'll
27:46
Speaker 3: have all knowledge of everything. It's very it's this same
27:50
Speaker 3: tactic that's being employed today.
27:51
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's definitely a bit scary. I don't know what
27:55
Speaker 2: the solution is, but at least there needs to be
27:58
Speaker 2: a discussion, which there hasn't been yet. And it's not
28:04
Speaker 2: good enough for Elon Musk to just throw up his
28:06
Speaker 2: hands and say, well, I don't know, because you're the
28:09
Speaker 2: one that's driving the car. And on many levels, and
28:15
Speaker 2: you know, I see benefits to it, of course, you know,
28:19
Speaker 2: in our everyday lives, definitely in farming to produce more
28:24
Speaker 2: food more economically. But there's definitely a downside, you know.
28:31
Speaker 2: I remember a college professor saying the industrial revolution replaced
28:36
Speaker 2: man's hands, and the information revolution replace is replacing his mind.
28:44
Speaker 2: And now we're getting to the culmination of that, and
28:48
Speaker 2: it's definitely scary. Jeff question, how do we connect with you?
28:52
Speaker 2: How do we find you on the web? And thank
28:55
Speaker 2: you for challenging the algorithm. I've been subject to suppression
28:59
Speaker 2: my self on YouTube for many, many years, fifteen years exactly.
29:06
Speaker 2: So it's good that you're keeping up the fight here.
29:10
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I appreciate it. On on Thursdays at four
29:14
Speaker 3: o'clock Eastern, I go live with the Jeft Throne Show
29:18
Speaker 3: on Rumble and then also on Freedom First Network, which
29:22
Speaker 3: you guys can find on a Rumble and Twitch and
29:24
Speaker 3: YouTube and all all the different platforms. So just look
29:27
Speaker 3: up the Jef Throni Show. I'm always interviewing somebody interesting
29:30
Speaker 3: the show. Today I'm actually interviewing a chemtrail expert where
29:35
Speaker 3: you know, he's got a new book out by Skyhorse
29:37
Speaker 3: Publishing where they're diving into all that kind of stuff,
29:39
Speaker 3: which was fascinating, fascinating conversation. You guys can also, you know,
29:43
Speaker 3: follow me on Pickax, which is the social media platform
29:45
Speaker 3: that I launched completely algorithmically free social media. We don't
29:49
Speaker 3: deal with all the AI you know, craziness and all
29:51
Speaker 3: that kind of stuff. It's a very human centered social
29:53
Speaker 3: media platform. I guess can follow me over there, subscribe
29:55
Speaker 3: to me to my email newsletters specifically within Pickacs. I
29:58
Speaker 3: no longer on substack, doing it specifically within Pickax, and
30:03
Speaker 3: then the one other thing too, is if anybody's in
30:05
Speaker 3: southern California coming up on June thirteenth, we're going to
30:09
Speaker 3: be at the switch Foot bro Am Concert on the Beach.
30:12
Speaker 3: We're the one of the main sponsors of the event,
30:14
Speaker 3: going to be hanging out. A bunch of the OAN
30:16
Speaker 3: hosts are going to be hanging out with us and
30:17
Speaker 3: some of other really cool creators and stuff like that.
30:20
Speaker 3: So if you guys are in something California, come hang out.
30:23
Speaker 2: It'll be a lot of fun, all right, and it's
30:24
Speaker 2: got any questions for Jeff myself, shoot me an email
30:27
Speaker 2: kl at Carrie LUTs dot com. Been a pleasure, Jeff,
30:30
Speaker 2: thanks for stopping by.
30:31
Speaker 3: Thank you appreciate it.
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