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Ep. 37: Continuously Finding Ways To Win | Jags A.M. Podcast · Jags A.M.

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Speaker 1: Now Jaguars get an ugly win in Pittsburgh, but they
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Speaker 1: are six and two as we head into the bye week.
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Speaker 1: What's your letter grade for them so far this season?
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Speaker 2: Has to be an A. Six and two with what
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Speaker 2: they've been through schedule wise, I can't imagine it being
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Speaker 2: anything but an A.
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Speaker 1: A welcome into Jags am Kayannie Stevens, Brian Sexton, John Osier.
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Speaker 1: A's all around for this team because you can complain,
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Speaker 1: you can say they're winning it ugly and they're not
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Speaker 1: doing what they need to do. But they are six
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Speaker 1: and two and that's one of the best starts this
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Speaker 1: team has ever had in the season. And Brian, it's
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Speaker 1: just remarkable that they've been able to do this. I
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Speaker 1: know we expected a lot of them, but the way
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Speaker 1: that they've been able to.
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Speaker 2: Do it as well, you know what I mean. I
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Speaker 2: think it The most optimistic of Jaguars fans would have said, yeah,
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Speaker 2: I think they could get the six of two. That
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Speaker 2: would be before this began, after the loss of the Texans.
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Speaker 2: I think all of us, John were saying, all right, well,
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Speaker 2: you know, how long is it gonna take for this
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Speaker 2: team to get out of its own way. We didn't
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Speaker 2: take very long. The next week they started turning this
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Speaker 2: thing around. So it is remarkable in the sense that
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Speaker 2: they have gone from what was that getting the Texans
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Speaker 2: thirty seven points? I still can see that that botched
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Speaker 2: kickoff return with the fullback the heaviest return the return
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Speaker 2: man touchdown in NFL history, right, and to be where
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Speaker 2: they are five weeks later, pretty dramatic.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's the NFL. I mean, nobody expected the
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Speaker 3: Chiefs to lose to the Broncos yesterday. You're gonna have
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Speaker 3: those kind of games. So six and two to me
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Speaker 3: feels that. You know, if somebody last night saying, well
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Speaker 3: they should be seven and one, I think they should
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Speaker 3: be six and two. They've really played their way to
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Speaker 3: six and two. They're two and a half games up.
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Speaker 3: I think they deserve to be the front running team
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Speaker 3: in the South. Look, an argument can be made outside
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Speaker 3: of Philly that this is the best team in football
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Speaker 3: right now.
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Speaker 4: They haven't trailed.
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Speaker 3: They've trailed for about five minutes in the last five weeks.
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Speaker 3: It didn't trail yesterday, didn't it didn't trail and anything
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Speaker 3: trailed for a series against the Colts before they had
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Speaker 3: the ball.
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Speaker 4: In the NFL.
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Speaker 3: You can't play better than that in terms of making
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Speaker 3: your wins feel like controlling wins. I get they're not
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Speaker 3: doing it offensively, but they don't trail Well, what do
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Speaker 3: you want right?
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Speaker 2: No, Listen, you could see the upside offensively. Right when
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Speaker 2: you look at the Miami Dolphins, for instance, they are
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Speaker 2: scoring points. They'll always score points. They've got such explosive
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Speaker 2: receivers at running backs. But their defense didn't look all
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Speaker 2: that good yesterday. I mean, they gave a big chunks
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Speaker 2: of yardage to Mac Jones and the Patriots. Now they
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Speaker 2: didn't convert, and the Dolphins really didn't struggle to win
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Speaker 2: the ball game. But you see where there's upside with
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Speaker 2: this Jacksonville offense if they can find a level of efficiency,
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Speaker 2: which we're still waiting for. So I don't think you
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Speaker 2: can expect anything more at six and two. Man, it
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Speaker 2: feels really good if seven and one is what you're
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Speaker 2: looking for. If you're not happy with six and two,
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Speaker 2: you have not been paying attention to this franchise. It's
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Speaker 2: two thousand.
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Speaker 3: Here's my final thow on the offense before we move on.
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Speaker 3: I get that it's frustrating, but I don't think it's tragic.
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Speaker 3: Meaning in the games where they have really frustrated fans,
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Speaker 3: the reason for the frustration has been they move past
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Speaker 3: the fifty every time they have the ball. They were
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Speaker 3: past the fifty nine out of the of their ten
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Speaker 3: drives yesterday. I think that's what you're talking about. Yeah,
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Speaker 3: you can feel It's not that they couldn't move yesterday.
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Speaker 3: They were always inside the Pittsburgh thirty five. They just
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Speaker 3: couldn't score it. Well, I've covered bad offense around here.
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Speaker 3: I've covered offense that had where people were charting consecutive
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Speaker 3: three and outs.
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Speaker 4: This isn't that.
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Speaker 3: Oh, I think this is sort of indicative the league
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Speaker 3: is playing this way. They're playing red zone defense inside
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Speaker 3: the twenties make it tough. So the league is kind
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Speaker 3: of trended toward this. But the Jars had figure out
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Speaker 3: is how to get the ball in the end zone.
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Speaker 3: One way is not to fumble. Any other way is
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Speaker 3: not to listen bad intercepts. You just said it wasn't tragic.
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Speaker 2: Tragic would be you telling me I had to play
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Speaker 2: without Traves, etn Calvin Ridley, Evan Ingram, Christian Kirk or
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Speaker 2: Trevor Lawrence for any amount of time the guys are healthy,
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Speaker 2: and they're going to be healthier in two weeks when
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Speaker 2: they get some of these guys back. And when you've
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Speaker 2: got that, then you've got the chance to be who
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Speaker 2: you want to be on offense.
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Speaker 1: All right, guys, let's go over our big things. We
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Speaker 1: touched on one of them already. But this team is
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Speaker 1: six and two. That's their best start since nineteen ninety
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Speaker 1: nine when they were over that. But Doug talked about
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Speaker 1: what he's seen from his team and how pleased he
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Speaker 1: is heading into the buy.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought.
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Speaker 5: Defensively, just really again, an another solid game defensively, you know,
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Speaker 5: kept the offense in the football game. You know, we
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Speaker 5: knew going in how how opportunistic Pittsburgh's defense is, and
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Speaker 5: then they capitalized. You know, obviously they created some takeaways
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Speaker 5: and then our defense in the second have created a
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Speaker 5: couple of takeaways. So, you know, for Monterak to come
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Speaker 5: in and play like he's done now the last couple
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Speaker 5: of weeks, and Andrew Winger to come in and play
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Speaker 5: that safety spot, and you know, Antonio Johnson getting in there,
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Speaker 5: and you know, just the guys have just hanged together,
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Speaker 5: you know, and I'm really proud of the way they
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Speaker 5: performed to.
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Speaker 1: To I know we've talked a little bit about this
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Speaker 1: record that they have, but the way that they're doing
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Speaker 1: it also not in terms of just defense, but players
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Speaker 1: stepping up right because there were a lot of injuries.
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Speaker 1: We've seen a lot of them are missing out in
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Speaker 1: this last game. But what this team has been able
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Speaker 1: to do in terms of getting backups ready to go
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Speaker 1: in when they are needed, that has been huge.
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Speaker 2: And astute observer the Jaggers a long time could go
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Speaker 2: back and look at two thousand and seven in two
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Speaker 2: thousand and five and say those were good teams. They
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Speaker 2: had good starts. Maybe not six and two, but they
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Speaker 2: were good. This team reminds me of ninety eight and
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Speaker 2: ninety nine John, because they have the answers. They have
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Speaker 2: all sorts of guys and all sorts of answers for
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Speaker 2: questions that are posed by injury or a lack of
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Speaker 2: productivity at any given moment in time or a matchup.
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Speaker 2: This is a talented team and Doug Peterson's staff are
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Speaker 2: getting the most of them right now.
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Speaker 3: I think if you really gave Doug the honesty pill,
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Speaker 3: he'd have told you at one and two, looking at
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Speaker 3: the schedule they had. I think he'd taken five and
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Speaker 3: three easy, maybe even just try to get to five hundred,
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Speaker 3: and I know they wanted more than that, but to
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Speaker 3: have sort of passed through that, I think he's ecstatic.
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Speaker 3: I think he looks at it said, I've got a
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Speaker 3: defense that doesn't feel like it's going away. I don't
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Speaker 3: know if they're gonna, you know, all of a sudden,
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Speaker 3: be the best defense we've ever seen. But I think
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Speaker 3: a stat is seven straight or seven out of eight
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Speaker 3: games the opponent has had seven or less in the
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Speaker 3: first half. Well, that means you're in the game, you
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Speaker 3: know you're not getting out of it, and then they
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Speaker 3: follow that up by playing really well in the second half.
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Speaker 3: I don't think you think the defense is going away.
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Speaker 3: And I think he sees an offense right now that's
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Speaker 3: close and that when.
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Speaker 4: It needs it.
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Speaker 3: The last two weeks, forty four yard touchdown to win it,
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Speaker 3: fifty six yard touchdown to it when they need the
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Speaker 3: plays they make just.
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Speaker 2: They saw it. This is a really good coaching staff.
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Speaker 2: I mean yeah, from the head coach and the coordinators
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Speaker 2: who get all of the attention on down to Phil
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Speaker 2: Rauscher on the offensive line, or Brenston Buckner on the
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Speaker 2: defensive line, or Bill Shoey, who's got those two outside
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Speaker 2: backers playing very well. We talk about players all the time.
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Speaker 2: I think this might be the best coaching staff from
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Speaker 2: top to bottom that the Jaguars have had since the
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Speaker 2: early days of the Calflin regime.
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Speaker 1: Let's go to our second big thing, which is defense.
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Speaker 1: Had today. We can give a lot of credit to
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Speaker 1: Mike calgall what he's been able to do with this
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Speaker 1: team so far this season, the amount of turnovers they
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Speaker 1: are forcing, and also a lot of those plug and
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Speaker 1: play players that we've been discussing, Andrew Wingard stepping up,
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Speaker 1: mon Terrek Brown as well. And the defense had themselves a.
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Speaker 2: Day great, really good.
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Speaker 5: You know, It's something that I told the team, you know,
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Speaker 5: the first half of the season, these first eight games,
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Speaker 5: I think, you know, with all the travel and Thursday
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Speaker 5: games and in and out of hotels and different things
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Speaker 5: like that, the guys have really handled it extremely well.
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Speaker 5: Proud of the guys for doing that, and really excited
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Speaker 5: to be you know, six and two at the Bible.
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Speaker 1: So when you come into the game yesterday against Pittsburgh
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Speaker 1: and you see Andr Cisco and Tyson Campbell are going.
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Speaker 1: That's when I was concerned it was going to be
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Speaker 1: a little bit of a hope defense. By the way
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Speaker 1: that Andrew Winger and bust Around were able to step
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Speaker 1: up and kind of Darius Williams has been playing. It's
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Speaker 1: so many different names and maybe names you didn't expect.
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Speaker 2: He saw the first play of the game they went
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Speaker 2: right at Dewey, right, Yeah, and he was up for
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Speaker 2: the challenge. He had a great day this defense. I
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Speaker 2: don't think they were ever really threatened yesterday. I thought
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Speaker 2: they had control of it from the start to the
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Speaker 2: finish of the game. Yeah, they moved the ball at
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Speaker 2: times and got themselves in position, but the defense only
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Speaker 2: gave up three points on the three turnovers. Right. I
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Speaker 2: mean they were excellent against the run, not that the
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Speaker 2: Steelers run the ball very well. And I don't think
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Speaker 2: John the Kenny Pickett ever really felt comfortable at Trubisky.
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Speaker 2: Obviously didn't because even though there were only a couple
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Speaker 2: of sacks, there were constant hands and bodies in the
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Speaker 2: face of the quarterback. They were always there. I'm gonna
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Speaker 2: give a lot of credit to Devon Hamilton because I
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Speaker 2: thought that the push that he had in the middle
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Speaker 2: of the line, made a big difference and set up
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Speaker 2: Trayvon Walker from the other side because Pickett kept one
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Speaker 2: to slide to his right, right into the arms of him.
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Speaker 4: Here's a you know.
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Speaker 3: In the ozone late night last night, I wrote that
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Speaker 3: it really wasn't a very unusual and there's nothing really
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Speaker 3: stood out about this game from the five game winning streak,
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Speaker 3: And I didn't write that to be insulting. I said
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Speaker 3: the defense wasn't spectacular, the offense certainly wasn't perfect. And
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Speaker 3: then after I wrote it, I kind of laughed, said, well,
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Speaker 3: the defense just held a team to two hundred and
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Speaker 3: sixty one yards ten points, was never threatened in its
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Speaker 3: spectacular because it's it's now what we expect from this.
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Speaker 3: But this is a good front seven. I said it
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Speaker 3: on in the season, you started looking at the whole
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Speaker 3: team and thought, okay, well, on defense, maybe Josh Allen's
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Speaker 3: the superstar.
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Speaker 4: Beyond that are their superstars? Maybe not?
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Speaker 3: But every position is really good and there's no position
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Speaker 3: And now you're getting to the point where the depth
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Speaker 3: you feel okay if Dewey has to go in, you
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Speaker 3: feel okay if Montay Brown has to go in. Now,
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Speaker 3: I think some of that back there the front seven
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Speaker 3: as much as people, oh, there's no pass rusher, This
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Speaker 3: front seven is really, really, really good against the run.
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Speaker 3: It's exceptional against the run and against the pass, it's disruptive.
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Speaker 3: Quarterbacks don't really have time to over and over again
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Speaker 3: pick the secondary apart. Now there's some drops and things
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Speaker 3: like that. They got a break early, yes, stay the
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Speaker 3: secondary did, but they take advantage of it.
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Speaker 2: Even calebon chaseon had a couple good pass rushers yesterday.
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Speaker 2: You're not talking about the sacks, but you are talking
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Speaker 2: about the quarterback never feeling comfortable. And by the way,
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Speaker 2: Darius Williams play was it on George Pickens out on
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Speaker 2: the boundary where he timed the ball and tipped it
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Speaker 2: away early in the game. That was a spectacular play.
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Speaker 1: He's been spectacular all around. Our final big thing turnover troubles,
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Speaker 1: because fair of us to point out that the team
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Speaker 1: has not been doing what they need to do on
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Speaker 1: offense in terms of not turning the ball over. Turnor
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Speaker 1: Lawrence had a terrible pick at one point, and obviously
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Speaker 1: the fumbles as well. Terbor talked about some of those issues.
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Speaker 2: We talked about a lot going to this game.
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Speaker 6: You know, this team that we're playing, Steelers, they're really
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Speaker 6: good when you if you have more than one turnover,
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Speaker 6: if you give up more than a sack or two,
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Speaker 6: if you don't score. You know, I think it's twenty
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Speaker 6: three points at least. Like their record is really really
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Speaker 6: good when those things happen, and we didn't. We didn't
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Speaker 6: do anything by that formula today. I mean, we scored
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Speaker 6: twenty points, had I don't know how many sacks, you know,
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Speaker 6: a few three or four, had three turnovers in plus
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Speaker 6: positive territory. I mean, but it's just a testament to
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Speaker 6: our defense for one, and then our offense being able
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Speaker 6: to make the plays when we need them. And we
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Speaker 6: moved the ball consistently all day, which was which was
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Speaker 6: great against a really good defense. But we just gotta
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Speaker 6: find ways to finish those drives. You know, I had
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Speaker 6: a bad play down in the red zone that that
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Speaker 6: can't happen. That took off you know, seven points, but
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Speaker 6: at least three points off the board for us, you know,
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Speaker 6: so I think they went down and they went down
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Speaker 6: and scored on that drive. So just you know that
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Speaker 6: that shouldn't happen. I can't let that happen being quarterback,
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Speaker 6: and I gotta be smarter there. But all in all,
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Speaker 6: it's a great win. You're always gonna take wins in
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Speaker 6: this league, and it's cool to see us fight and
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Speaker 6: battle through the adversity.
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Speaker 1: Try to taking some accountability for that terrible pick there.
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Speaker 1: But also they didn't follow formula right, You're not supposed
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Speaker 1: to turn over the ball against the Steelers and give
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Speaker 1: them advantages that they did. They were able to kind
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Speaker 1: of bounce back from that, but you gotta clean that
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Speaker 1: up second half of the year.
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Speaker 2: Say what that the pick was the one that bothers
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Speaker 2: him because John the Steelers create turnovers. On that trouble
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Speaker 2: pass to Evan Ingram, I'm not sure he could have done.
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Speaker 2: He had both arms around the ball and it was
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Speaker 2: just perfectly time. The Steelers create turnovers, and.
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Speaker 4: Playing on a wet day, that kind of yeah, maybe
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Speaker 4: that kind was going to happen. But even Biggs kind
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Speaker 4: of turnovers gonna happen.
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Speaker 2: He's the bigbie thing, right, So during training I'm staying
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Speaker 2: with my son and I shake Bigsby's hand and it
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Speaker 2: felt like he was squeezing my hand with both He
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Speaker 2: has an incredible grip and so I was really surprised
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Speaker 2: that the ball came out. But you know, he's got
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Speaker 2: one guy holding him up and the other guy's pulling
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Speaker 2: with everything. I was still surprised the ball came out,
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Speaker 2: knowing how strong Bigsby is. But that's what the Steelers do.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, they're good at it.
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Speaker 2: It was.
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Speaker 3: As much as people criticized the offense, and I get
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Speaker 3: that it it was staggering yesterday, meaning.
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Speaker 4: Could not quite get there.
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Speaker 3: It also played well enough against a Steelers a defense
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Speaker 3: that is good to get you three and then get
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Speaker 3: you six and get that advantage. And then even when
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Speaker 3: it was turning the ball over, they were getting into Steelers'
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Speaker 3: territory so often that it felt like the game was
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Speaker 3: tilted and the Steelers are always having to play uphill.
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Speaker 3: So I think the offense, as much as it's going
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Speaker 3: to get criticized this week for not for what it
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Speaker 3: didn't do, the fact that it had three in seventy
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Speaker 3: one yards twenty first downs and it was always able
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Speaker 3: to take momentum back from Pittsburgh and shove them back.
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Speaker 3: It did its job in that sense, and then again
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Speaker 3: I keep going back to every time it needs it
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Speaker 3: in this winning streak, it makes a big play. There's
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Speaker 3: something to be said for that in terms of trying
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Speaker 3: to win in this league.
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Speaker 2: Even with the turnovers yesterday, it felt like the Jaguars
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Speaker 2: held them. Yeah, like the big brother little brother. They
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Speaker 2: were holding them off the whole time. It was just
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Speaker 2: a matter of all, right, when are they gonna make
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Speaker 2: the play. And of course it was a beautiful play
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Speaker 2: on the fifty six yard at eat.
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Speaker 4: Oh what I was saying, Brian, that goes back to
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Speaker 4: what you were saying.
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Speaker 3: There's nothing going on to make you think that the
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Speaker 3: offense at some point is not going to have a
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Speaker 3: day loser of points. It's just not quite there yet.
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Speaker 3: If it was constant three and out, I'd really worry
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Speaker 3: about it. But that's not what it is.
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Speaker 2: By the way, scoring is down this year in this
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Speaker 2: league through eight games. Red zone production is down through
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Speaker 2: eight as we're getting here in this league right if
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Speaker 2: you just look at the numbers, the number of young
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Speaker 2: quarterbacks is one of the reasons why. But defenses this
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Speaker 2: year are playing really well. We shouldn't be surprised because
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Speaker 2: the Jaguars defense is playing well that other defenses aren't
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Speaker 2: lifting their level. It's just not a big year for offense,
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Speaker 2: at least not the first half of the season.
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Speaker 1: All right, guys, stay with us, We're gonna go over
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Speaker 1: some of the highlights from yesterday here on jag Zam
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Speaker 1: was ugly, but there were some good things to very
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Speaker 1: memorable things, I should say as well. And one of
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Speaker 1: the first ones out of the gate was Treyvon Walker
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Speaker 1: getting after the quarterback. Because we know we've seen a
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Speaker 1: lot from Josh Allen, but Trayvon's success was impressive yesterday.
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Speaker 1: And especially Brian, I know you specifically talked about down
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Speaker 1: Hamilton's and helping him out well.
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Speaker 2: And it was so timely because so many people wanted
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Speaker 2: to question Mike Tomlin right noted defensive coach praising Trayvon Walker.
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Speaker 2: There were lots of skeptics and yet here he is
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Speaker 2: coming out and proving that he's got it. Now. Does
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Speaker 2: he have a bevy of pass rush moves. No, But
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Speaker 2: when you see him get to the quarterback like that
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Speaker 2: man all of a sudden, Now, if you're the offensive coordinator,
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Speaker 2: you gotta start sliding back that way. And then it
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Speaker 2: opens things up for Josh Allen, who came up with
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Speaker 2: two sacks. So he is a wrecking ball and he
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Speaker 2: is a really good football player. This was fun to
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Speaker 2: see early on.
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Speaker 3: When he pushes the pocket, he sometimes pushes multiple people
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Speaker 3: back into the pocket. I don't think you can give
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Speaker 3: him enough credit for making it difficult to operate to
16:45
Speaker 3: his side of the field. He's a dominant presence on
16:50
Speaker 3: his side of the field. And I get that people
16:53
Speaker 3: are frustrated by sack numbers, but I said, for a month,
16:58
Speaker 3: I don't want to watch this team play defense without
17:00
Speaker 3: Trayvon Walker on the field. And that's why he plays
17:02
Speaker 3: more snaps than anybody in that group, because he's.
17:07
Speaker 2: The player they don't want off the field. He's matched
17:09
Speaker 2: the soldo from last year through eight games. He's got
17:11
Speaker 2: nine more games. My guess is he'll end up with
17:13
Speaker 2: seven or eight, and that might silence might silence people
17:17
Speaker 2: a little bit here's the best part that set up
17:20
Speaker 2: a third down and fifteen on a wet field for quarterback.
17:23
Speaker 2: I mean, Jaguars got the ball back and it's not
17:25
Speaker 2: Trayvon's fault. They didn't score a touchdown, they just were
17:27
Speaker 2: with a field goals, so he created an opportunity for
17:30
Speaker 2: the offense.
17:30
Speaker 3: Well, that's what this team does defensively. They get other
17:34
Speaker 3: teams in down in distance is a big deal for
17:38
Speaker 3: play calling in this league. This defense, I haven't looked
17:41
Speaker 3: at the numbers, but just the way it feels faces
17:44
Speaker 3: a lot of third and sevens as opposed to third
17:46
Speaker 3: and threes because of the way they play run defense
17:48
Speaker 3: and early that Well, let's.
17:50
Speaker 1: Look at some of those field goals. Obviously not opportunity
17:52
Speaker 1: you want to get into the end zone. That could
17:54
Speaker 1: have put the game out of the way earlier. But
17:57
Speaker 1: let's shout out the kicker because I feel like we
17:59
Speaker 1: don't get to do that very Lochen and Brendan McManus
18:01
Speaker 1: with two fifty plus yard field goals to start this game.
18:04
Speaker 1: There's a reason in wet conditions, there's a reason you
18:06
Speaker 1: go out and get a veteran kicker because you're not
18:09
Speaker 1: worried as much when you see a kick. I got
18:10
Speaker 1: like he was lining up for fifty plus and I
18:12
Speaker 1: was like, oh, yeah, they'll be fine.
18:13
Speaker 3: But there are a couple of situational moments that really
18:16
Speaker 3: mattered early they faced I think it was third and
18:19
Speaker 3: twenty one. I think it was the first drive, and
18:22
Speaker 3: they got twelve yards and got back into where he kicked.
18:25
Speaker 3: I think it was his fifty one yarder. They got
18:29
Speaker 3: just enough offensive. Like I was talking earlier, you want touchdowns,
18:33
Speaker 3: but they got three to three. Well, then all of
18:35
Speaker 3: a sudden, that gives you six, Brian, you know math
18:39
Speaker 3: three six, but it gets you up a touchdown and
18:42
Speaker 3: it changes the games with again the Steelers playing uphill
18:46
Speaker 3: the whole game after those couple of situations where they
18:49
Speaker 3: got three. That's situational coaching and playing. And I thought
18:54
Speaker 3: they played smart early yesterday. I would like to invite
18:56
Speaker 3: people to watch him on kickoffs. If you don't, right,
19:00
Speaker 3: it's not as easy to tell how strong his leg
19:03
Speaker 3: is on the field goals, But when you watch him
19:05
Speaker 3: with basically one step and the swing of the leg
19:07
Speaker 3: and he's creating a touchback for you, he doesn't need
19:10
Speaker 3: the running start that a lot of kickers do. And
19:15
Speaker 3: I marvel at it every time, how strong his leg is,
19:17
Speaker 3: he can really kick the ball. Stunned still that he
19:22
Speaker 3: was freed up from Denver.
19:23
Speaker 1: It's just another example of having the right person in
19:26
Speaker 1: a role like that. So when it does come to
19:28
Speaker 1: a point where you need kicks at a certain point,
19:30
Speaker 1: just skip points on the board.
19:31
Speaker 2: You have that.
19:31
Speaker 3: I think he was seventeen to nineteen this year, four
19:34
Speaker 3: or five from beyond fifty. That's why they went and
19:37
Speaker 3: got I mean he had the leg to give. You know,
19:40
Speaker 3: I don't know, not a shot at who is here
19:43
Speaker 3: last year. I don't know if Doug coaches the same
19:47
Speaker 3: way on that field early in the game facing fifteen
19:51
Speaker 3: to fifty one yard field goals, I don't know if
19:53
Speaker 3: he's as confident doing that. That sort of shifted that,
19:57
Speaker 3: and that's why Doug wanted Brandwan.
20:00
Speaker 2: You're intrigued, you're gonna go watch. I am intrigued. Two
20:02
Speaker 2: steps of the kickoff and it's in the end zone.
20:04
Speaker 1: Let's do it all right? What we have next? Oh
20:06
Speaker 1: the turnovers, those were not ideal, but you know, it happens.
20:10
Speaker 1: It happens first. I think the Trevor one is probably
20:12
Speaker 1: the only inexcusable one for me. I didn't love the
20:14
Speaker 1: play call with Evans fumble, but I mean that is
20:17
Speaker 1: what it is. That's with the weather situation. It kind
20:19
Speaker 1: of got knocked out there, but it's what they do.
20:21
Speaker 2: It was a perfectly time tip this one. John about
20:24
Speaker 2: every six or seven games, we're going to see him
20:27
Speaker 2: make a throw that you go watch you throw that one.
20:29
Speaker 2: That's probably just who he is.
20:31
Speaker 4: Well.
20:31
Speaker 3: I also think it's he's been like we've watched him.
20:36
Speaker 3: It feels like a while now.
20:38
Speaker 4: He's still midway through his third season.
20:41
Speaker 2: You know, I.
20:44
Speaker 3: I covered Peyton Manning a long time, and I covered
20:46
Speaker 3: him through some years where he didn't make throws like this.
20:49
Speaker 3: I also started covering him in his fourth year, and
20:52
Speaker 3: in the fourth year he had twenty eight interceptions for
20:54
Speaker 3: twenty six rather than number one.
20:56
Speaker 4: It can take time.
20:57
Speaker 3: For these guys to get that muscle memory of I
21:02
Speaker 3: do not throw the ball in this situation. This is
21:04
Speaker 3: it so look yes, bad play, but a really good
21:10
Speaker 3: play to make up for the second half.
21:12
Speaker 2: Without a doubt.
21:13
Speaker 3: He's six and two five and at the end of
21:16
Speaker 3: last season they've won eleven in their last thirteen games
21:20
Speaker 3: under this skit.
21:20
Speaker 2: That is why you don't worry too much about it.
21:22
Speaker 2: He's just he's gonna take chances here and there. He's
21:25
Speaker 2: done it since he got here.
21:26
Speaker 3: And overall he's playing much smarter in these situations this
21:29
Speaker 3: year than he did last year. This was more of
21:31
Speaker 3: a one off the last year's.
21:32
Speaker 2: You heard in the post game he said, he's got
21:34
Speaker 2: your work on that. But he's he's a gunslinger in
21:36
Speaker 2: that sense. He's gonna take those throws over once in
21:38
Speaker 2: a while.
21:38
Speaker 1: He's definitely a gun slinger. Let's look at Etn's touchdown
21:41
Speaker 1: and the two point conversion, because obviously ETN has been
21:44
Speaker 1: the heart and soul of this offense and the success
21:46
Speaker 1: they've had. But catching and running not just a rushing
21:51
Speaker 1: touchdown this time, and it looked a little slow. In
21:53
Speaker 1: the back end. I was like, we're gonna put the
21:54
Speaker 1: jets on there and there's gonna get you. But to
21:56
Speaker 1: see the kind of wheeling out and catching that, well,
21:59
Speaker 1: he's not a screen pass. It's something we don't always
22:00
Speaker 1: see from him.
22:01
Speaker 2: The corner was breaking thinking I got this on that
22:03
Speaker 2: stick route and the safety couldn't get over there fast enough.
22:07
Speaker 2: That's you know. They talked to the postgame about they
22:09
Speaker 2: know each other and that was a beautiful move by
22:12
Speaker 2: two guys who know each other.
22:15
Speaker 3: Yeah. I thought a couple of things were cool here.
22:17
Speaker 3: First of all, it was the longest pass play they've had.
22:20
Speaker 4: And they've played together.
22:21
Speaker 3: What is I think it's six seasons on the field together.
22:27
Speaker 3: There was some talk last week about Calvin Ridley being
22:30
Speaker 3: frustrated being whatever did you see the spike after the play?
22:33
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was more excited than ethm One.
22:35
Speaker 3: Well that a selfish player doesn't do that in that situation, don't.
22:42
Speaker 4: I don't make too much out of it.
22:43
Speaker 3: But he came along and he spiked and celebrated his teammates.
22:47
Speaker 3: I've covered some wide receivers who wouldn't be spiking the
22:52
Speaker 3: ball for their teammate getting a touchdown. Not that they
22:56
Speaker 3: were rooting against their team, but they wanted to touchdown.
22:58
Speaker 3: So I thought that was pretty indicative of like where
23:00
Speaker 3: Calvin's head is.
23:01
Speaker 2: Something Calvin said in the locker room right before the
23:03
Speaker 2: season sticks with me. He goes, I just want to win.
23:06
Speaker 4: And I think it's real.
23:07
Speaker 3: Everybody says they just want to win, right, but some
23:10
Speaker 3: players don't act like they just want to win.
23:13
Speaker 4: I know, to me, that play.
23:14
Speaker 1: Showed something absolutely Later on we saw Steelers try to
23:18
Speaker 1: mount a little bit of a comeback. They got their
23:20
Speaker 1: first touchdown of the day, the only touchdown of the day,
23:23
Speaker 1: and the waning seconds of the third quarter. Pickens is
23:27
Speaker 1: the real deal. I mean, he probably shouldn't be talking
23:28
Speaker 1: as much as he does in the locker room, but
23:30
Speaker 1: he's impressive on the field when they get him the ball.
23:32
Speaker 2: Well, he's I don't know how to describe him. He's
23:34
Speaker 2: got sort of a Randy Moss style body. He's tall
23:37
Speaker 2: and he's long, and he could jump. And he just
23:40
Speaker 2: leapt over the safety or was it the quarter that
23:42
Speaker 2: was coming underneath and Dewey was over the top I mean,
23:45
Speaker 2: or de dow he came underneath. That's just a great play.
23:47
Speaker 2: Great players can make great plays.
23:49
Speaker 4: I think the Jaguars secondary would say that one catch
23:51
Speaker 4: he had was awesome.
23:52
Speaker 1: Yeah, just the one I mean.
23:54
Speaker 3: And that was a storyline afterward. I never really understood
23:59
Speaker 3: what Hope defense meant. I couldn't quite figure out that.
24:03
Speaker 3: All credit to metriz Party from the Times Union for
24:05
Speaker 3: writing I guess they were mad, but I didn't really
24:08
Speaker 3: understand what he meant by it. But it was just
24:10
Speaker 3: enough to get him angry, and you know he.
24:15
Speaker 4: He talked in the Jaguars they responded.
24:19
Speaker 2: Yeah, they did a nice job on a really good player.
24:22
Speaker 2: He is a very hard guy to cover and they
24:24
Speaker 2: did an excellent job on him.
24:27
Speaker 1: We'll have to give do you a little bit of
24:28
Speaker 1: a shout out because he was putting in a tough
24:30
Speaker 1: spot coming in starting and he did well. He made
24:34
Speaker 1: some plays and one of the biggest plays of the
24:36
Speaker 1: day got his interception. Probably more talking about his touchdown
24:39
Speaker 1: after the fact, but what stew he meant to this
24:43
Speaker 1: team when you've seen what he's been able to do
24:45
Speaker 1: as well, just because he's a captain this year. Kind
24:48
Speaker 1: of the way he started here to becoming a fan
24:51
Speaker 1: favorite the way he is, He's had quite a journey.
24:53
Speaker 2: He started as a guy kai and every team has
24:55
Speaker 2: one of these guys that you're always trying to replace.
24:58
Speaker 2: You know, he's not tall enough, he's not fast, he's
25:00
Speaker 2: not big enough, and it was a special teams guy.
25:03
Speaker 2: And then last year against Baltimore and Dallas, Uh, he
25:07
Speaker 2: found his role. I mean he made a couple of
25:09
Speaker 2: plays on third and fourth down late in the ball
25:11
Speaker 2: game that helped steal those wins. And then he came
25:13
Speaker 2: up with it. It was always the Jags. And now
25:16
Speaker 2: I mean, what did he say, I'm a dog, I'm
25:19
Speaker 2: a sleeping dog. Yeah, but the best the dog move
25:24
Speaker 2: was swinging the towel. Freaking loved that.
25:27
Speaker 3: Yeah, and again Steelers fans were mad about it.
25:30
Speaker 4: I saw one tweet somebody said they should arrest him.
25:33
Speaker 4: He stole a towel.
25:36
Speaker 3: Look, this league, in this game is supposed to be fun. Yes, uh,
25:43
Speaker 3: duey after the game, and he's my hot takes. I'll
25:48
Speaker 3: say some of it. But he told Brent martineaud I
25:50
Speaker 3: thoughd to me lockhom for a few minutes and he said, Hey,
25:52
Speaker 3: we've got San Francisco, Baltimore, Cincinnati coming in. Isn't that awesome? Yeah, Like,
26:00
Speaker 3: this is a kid who loves what he's doing, loves playing.
26:04
Speaker 3: The fans see it, his teammates love him. I think
26:07
Speaker 3: you had him cut in the preseason.
26:10
Speaker 4: Safety.
26:11
Speaker 2: We're gonna make it hard on him, and he is
26:14
Speaker 2: and he has played better than both. Although it's nice
26:17
Speaker 2: to see Antonio Johnson, no doubt, no doubt, but what
26:20
Speaker 2: he has become, no, I didn't. We'll have to atable
26:24
Speaker 2: part about it. You can go back and pull the
26:25
Speaker 2: tape and see it where I said they're going to
26:28
Speaker 2: make it hard on him, but he has risen to
26:31
Speaker 2: the occasion that he has been granted on this team,
26:34
Speaker 2: and he's gonna be one of those guys who plays
26:35
Speaker 2: here ten or eleven years.
26:37
Speaker 1: He's making it work. We love to see it, all right,
26:39
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Speaker 1: victory Monday and jag Zam's always better on a victory Monday.
27:12
Speaker 1: So let's go over some of our hot takes for
27:14
Speaker 1: this team. Brian, what's your hot take for us today?
27:16
Speaker 2: Well, I'm not sure how hot this one is, but
27:18
Speaker 2: a good decision, smart decision, maybe even a great decision
27:20
Speaker 2: by Doug yesterday to keep all those guys who were
27:24
Speaker 2: injured on the sidelines, right, And maybe it was easy
27:27
Speaker 2: because the field was wet and you saw what happened
27:29
Speaker 2: with makeup Fitzpatrick. But they made the decision, and it
27:32
Speaker 2: would have been easy to understand why you try to
27:35
Speaker 2: give it a go with Cisco and Tyson Campbell because
27:39
Speaker 2: you want to get to six to two and headed
27:41
Speaker 2: into bye week with some momentum. But Walker Little didn't play,
27:44
Speaker 2: and obviously Zay Jones was ruled out on Friday. Being patient,
27:49
Speaker 2: trusting the guys, trusting your coaching staff is a really
27:53
Speaker 2: smart move, and it gives them the opportunity to have
27:55
Speaker 2: everybody on the field when they host the forty nine
27:57
Speaker 2: Ers here in two weeks.
27:58
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I think he knew or felt like
28:03
Speaker 3: they could control that game against that team. Without those guys,
28:09
Speaker 3: you're always risking, you know. I was concerned when Campbell
28:12
Speaker 3: and Cisco weren't playing, because if the Steelers had a
28:16
Speaker 3: way to beat you, it was with two very good
28:19
Speaker 3: receivers maybe making some flukey pull I wanna say flukey,
28:23
Speaker 3: but making some big plays with a couple of communication
28:27
Speaker 3: breakdowns and new guys for that might happen.
28:29
Speaker 4: Credit to him for not letting it happen.
28:32
Speaker 1: What's your hot take force today? Je, I know it's
28:34
Speaker 1: very eloquent. And I made sure they say, I'm I'm
28:39
Speaker 1: sure your graphic was spelled the way one.
28:41
Speaker 4: Yeah, we already talked to him a little bit.
28:44
Speaker 3: But he's a special teams player and a backup and
28:49
Speaker 3: yet during this winning stretch, since it started earlier last year,
28:56
Speaker 3: in a way sort of become the face of the franchise. Yeah.
28:58
Speaker 2: I was just about to say, he's the heartbeat of
28:59
Speaker 2: that lockerwood.
29:00
Speaker 4: Yeah.
29:00
Speaker 3: And uh, you know, I remember asking somebody early early
29:07
Speaker 3: maybe the last training camp about him and they're like, oh,
29:10
Speaker 3: he's on the team, Like, you're not getting rid of
29:14
Speaker 3: this guy. And last year when he was a free agent,
29:19
Speaker 3: afterward on getaway day, I was talking to him. Has
29:26
Speaker 3: he been on a podcast? When we had talked a
29:27
Speaker 3: little bit, and I said, hey, good luck and hope
29:29
Speaker 3: you're back. He gets there was no question he wanted
29:32
Speaker 3: to be here. This is where he wants to play now.
29:34
Speaker 3: He flirted with Tennessee a little bit, and but what
29:39
Speaker 3: a remarkable thing he has done. But even beyond that,
29:45
Speaker 3: a huge pass breakup yesterday, a huge interception two huge hits,
29:50
Speaker 3: he does things, he jumps out on the tape.
29:52
Speaker 2: Who he is, uh, he's linguard. He's a guy. Remember
29:56
Speaker 2: Jerry Olshawski. They're the great Steelers era of the late
30:00
Speaker 2: nineties and early two thousand. There was a backup linebacker
30:03
Speaker 2: and a special team's team and they called him Jerry O.
30:06
Speaker 2: And no matter what when you talked about the Steelers,
30:08
Speaker 2: the Steelers talked about Jerry Oh. We had a guy
30:11
Speaker 2: here back in the early days named Bram Boyer who's
30:12
Speaker 2: now the special teams coordinator for the New York Jets.
30:15
Speaker 2: I mean, he's the guy. He was always too short.
30:17
Speaker 2: He was cut six times in nineteen ninety five, and
30:19
Speaker 2: they kept bringing him back and bringing him back, and
30:22
Speaker 2: he's been in the league for twenty eight twenty nine
30:24
Speaker 2: years now. This is what this guy is. He loves football,
30:27
Speaker 2: as you mentioned earlier, but he's a good player. If
30:30
Speaker 2: he doesn't have the skills set in terms of the
30:32
Speaker 2: height in the and the length and the athletic ability,
30:35
Speaker 2: he more than overcomes it with his passion and his intelligence.
30:38
Speaker 2: So he's a guy who's going to be this team's
30:40
Speaker 2: next BRANP. Boyer, next Jerry Oh. He's gonna be around
30:43
Speaker 2: here for a long time.
30:45
Speaker 4: Very good.
30:45
Speaker 2: All right.
30:46
Speaker 1: My hot take this week is that sometimes it's better
30:49
Speaker 1: to be lucky than good, And by that I mean
30:53
Speaker 1: some of the reactions after the game yesterday, in particular
30:56
Speaker 1: from the Steelers' locker room, had me laughing because we
30:59
Speaker 1: are now at a point in Jaguars football where people
31:01
Speaker 1: think the refs are pulling for the Jaguars to get
31:05
Speaker 1: a win over historic franchise like the Pittsburgh Steelers. So congratulations,
31:10
Speaker 1: Jaguars fans. We are now at a point where the
31:12
Speaker 1: team is so successful that people the opponent is complaining
31:15
Speaker 1: that the refs are rigging it.
31:16
Speaker 2: What kind of fine do we think Deontay Johnson is
31:18
Speaker 2: going to get for his long diet tribe about the
31:22
Speaker 2: officials lack of integrity? Yeah, I guess he's going to be.
31:27
Speaker 4: I guess he could have caught the first pass of
31:28
Speaker 4: the game, right.
31:29
Speaker 1: Oh No, but it was the refs. Well, the refs
31:32
Speaker 1: were bad in general, I will say, but I don't
31:34
Speaker 1: think it was specifically anybody.
31:36
Speaker 2: The refs were good. Nobody ever says that.
31:39
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just I can't think that that affected any
31:43
Speaker 1: outcome of the game. When you didn't score a touchdown
31:45
Speaker 1: until almost the beginning of the fourth quarter. So I
31:47
Speaker 1: say that in a joke as well.
31:49
Speaker 3: But honestly, I thought the Bigsby call could have gone
31:52
Speaker 3: the other way.
31:53
Speaker 1: I thought he was down personally, but I thought, I
31:55
Speaker 1: think the way.
31:57
Speaker 4: They never really seen that where they now.
32:01
Speaker 3: And then well, nor the fields different because if they're
32:05
Speaker 3: ruling on the field being the other.
32:05
Speaker 4: Way, the Jared's probably keep the ball.
32:07
Speaker 1: Yeah, they never would all turned it.
32:08
Speaker 3: And there were a couple of plays. Look, you can
32:10
Speaker 3: always pick apart plays.
32:12
Speaker 1: Uh.
32:14
Speaker 3: It's amazing how the officiating is usually worse for the
32:17
Speaker 3: losing team.
32:18
Speaker 1: It's so weird how that works out. Anyway, we'll be
32:20
Speaker 1: right back as we discussed what we've got going on
32:22
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32:23
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32:49
Speaker 1: week coming up. So what are you guys looking at
32:52
Speaker 1: in terms of bye week stuff to do? I like to,
32:55
Speaker 1: you know, take a little bit of a break away
32:57
Speaker 1: from football and then kind of sit in front of
32:59
Speaker 1: my TV for Red Zone on Sundays. But what do
33:01
Speaker 1: you guys got planned for yourselves? Not? John's not gonna
33:04
Speaker 1: share it, doesn't want to show. Okay, feed up.
33:10
Speaker 4: I mean that's it. I mean, you know, porch Fest
33:13
Speaker 4: and Springfield on Saturday. Ye, that's what I'm.
33:16
Speaker 2: Doing, getting caught up. You know, the last month has
33:19
Speaker 2: been crazy, and there's all sorts of things around the
33:21
Speaker 2: house we have to do, right It's yard work, wool work,
33:25
Speaker 2: all that kind of stuff. And it's nice to go
33:27
Speaker 2: into the second half of the season not thinking all
33:29
Speaker 2: these things I have to do.
33:30
Speaker 1: Yes, it's nice to have a little bit of a break.
33:32
Speaker 1: And then also we should say that we will be
33:34
Speaker 1: here the first half of this week because trade deadline
33:36
Speaker 1: comes up on Tuesday afternoon. You guys think there's any
33:39
Speaker 1: moves to be made or I would be surprised at
33:40
Speaker 1: this point just because of how well we played, But
33:42
Speaker 1: then again, anything can happen.
33:44
Speaker 3: I'd be surprised because you got to measure short term expense.
33:49
Speaker 3: This team has salary cap issues coming up. Anything that
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Speaker 3: you get goes up against that at some point. Maybe
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Speaker 3: they're not going to ignore. I mean, but it's got
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Speaker 3: to make sense in terms of equity, and I just
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Speaker 3: kind of wonder if they'll find anything like, Yeah, and you.
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Speaker 2: Hesitate to give away your first round pick, I mean
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Speaker 2: the bottom of the first round. People go, it's just
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Speaker 2: the bottom of the first round. Well, that was anti
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Speaker 2: Harrison this year? Would you trade that away? Right? And
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Speaker 2: you can't trade your second right now because it's tied
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Speaker 2: up with the Calvin Johnson or Calvin Ridley situation. So
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Speaker 2: I just don't feel like I got to go out
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Speaker 2: and find more pass rush help. I mean, the sack
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Speaker 2: numbers you'd like to see increase, and I think they will,
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Speaker 2: but the pressure's pretty good. So I just I wouldn't
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Speaker 2: give away my first for a guy that I might
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Speaker 2: not be able to resign with all the other guys
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Speaker 2: I want to give, I'd be very cautious. I certainly
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Speaker 2: wouldn't give away a first then, Yeah, then you're probably
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Speaker 2: not You're probably not acquiring.
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Speaker 1: Anyone, probably standing Pat. All right, that's it for us
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Speaker 1: this week. We're gonna enjoy our bye week. We hope
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Speaker 1: you enjoy yours. We'll be back here on Monday for
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Speaker 1: jag Xam next week as we get ready for the
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Speaker 1: forty nine ers game, it's c