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#24: (Part 2) The Biology of Fear, Deprogramming, and the Power of Love with JD Messinger · Love Conquers Fear

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  Books I've read, if I really distilled them all down or about
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  is that our purpose here in this Earth school is to allow love to
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  conquer our own fear. Let's say someone is angry at
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  you and it's just being a jerk or whatever reason.
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  You can choose. How to create that reality?
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  And you could react with anger, or you could bomb yourself on
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  your nervous system and react with love.
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  We've got to talk about what is fear?
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  What are the categories of fear? What does fear do to your body?
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  How do we banish the fear? It's a fear battle over
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  identity. And where does the identity come
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  from? The identity comes from a
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  construct or a paradigm or a label, and we become that label
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  or identity. Hey everyone, welcome back to
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  the Love Conkers Fear podcast. Last night with JD was so
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  magical. The people that showed up for
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  that dinner, we're just incredible.
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  And we had so many discussions about consciousness, about
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  source, about God. Whatever you choose to call it
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  is fine. We know it's rooted in love and
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  that the divine loves us all and that we should also love
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  humanity. And it was just a very, very
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  moving discussion. What an honor to have JD in our
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  home and to have so many very soulful guest here.
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  I want to let you know that I am still working my way through
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  Love is Letting Go of Fear. Just as a reminder on that, I
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  heard about that book from John Mackey, who's going to be on
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  this podcast, and it is an amazing, amazing book.
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  John told me about it at Casa de Luz, which is one of our
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  favorite restaurants. We've been there many times
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  together. It's amazing plant based
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  restaurant here in Austin. And John, you know, said I, I
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  like the title of love conquers fear, but have you considered
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  that love is letting go of fear? And of course, those are the
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  same things. And the book Love is Letting Go
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  of Fear is written by Jerry Jampolsky, and it has so many
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  practical exercises in it. And he, Jerry gives lots of
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  examples of where he met anger with love and made lifelong
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  friendships as a result, just by really having that childlike
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  curiosity. Well, maybe they just had a
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  horrible day. Maybe someone just treated them
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  really bad. Maybe their mom just passed away
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  versus meeting them with the quote UN quote normal human
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  reaction. So it was a it's amazing book.
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  I'm I've got 30 minutes left in it.
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  And so I'll be finishing it soon and reporting back to you.
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  And that's exactly what we're going to be digging into today
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  with JDJD has gone really deep on this, has coached many
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  leaders around the world on how to conquer their own fears and
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  manifest more love. So we're going to dive really
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  deep into that in today's episode, and I hope that it
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  helps you all. Welcome back, JD.
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  It's good. To hear, yeah, you know, we
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  weren't planning on doing this, but I know we got on fire
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  yesterday. We did.
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  And I was like, man, you know, we've got to talk about what is
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  fear. Yeah.
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  What are the categories of fear? What does fear do to your body?
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  How do we banish the fear? You know, Yoda said.
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  And I I say to my clients all the time, and you were wearing a
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  Yoda shirt, this. Morning on our highlight.
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  You know, notice says named your fear must be before you can
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  banish it. When I always say you must write
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  down the fear. But you you just your opening
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  monologue here. It, it was very insightful and
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  it made me think of talking about what, why do terrorists
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  exist? Why do we have these these
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  dualistic battles going on between identities, you know,
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  left, right, gay, straight, male, female, whatever.
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  What is this? OK.
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  And it's a fear battle over identity.
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  And where does the identity come from?
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  The identity comes from a construct or a paradigm or a
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  label and we become that label or identity.
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  And you know, this is just my opinion.
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  I'm not some scientific researcher.
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  I'm an observer of people and events.
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  As we said yesterday, a left brain nuclear engineer, math
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  major who was the CEO and had a spiritual awakening.
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  Where do I fit in the chart? I'm, I'm on the end of the bell
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  curve. I'm not sure whether I'm the
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  deviant or the right, right? But I will say, I will say on
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  that, just just interject for a moment, there is a lot of
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  science around fear and the toxins that it creates in your
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  body when you carry that. And that is the source of where
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  some of the answers come from. Disease, yeah, but but I, I want
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  to just go and not spend too much time on this one.
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  But let's just take let's say the categories of fear.
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  You know, there's there's phobias, you know, I'm afraid of
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  spiders, you know, heights and whatever.
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  We're not talking about that, OK There's, there's courage fears
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  for like a fireman or, you know, a military person and we're
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  we're not going to talk about that.
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  Then there's emotional fears and that's the ones we want to get
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  into the fear of blame, shame, guilt, persecution, betrayal.
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  And where do those come from and how do we heal them?
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  Because love is the greatest force and and love is an energy.
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  It's not, this is not some amorphous thing.
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  I mean, love is an energy and the field of love is 5000 times
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  bigger and it's 50 times stronger.
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  And love can it literally can manipulate matter.
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  I mean this thought. So what is love?
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  I mean, we love is gratitude, kindness, you know,
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  consideration, empathy, you know, the, the, these are words
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  that describe a vibration, and that vibration makes us feel
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  good. And the opposite of it is what
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  we're going to call fear. And of course, you and I, we've
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  been walking a lot lately. Yeah, up and down hills.
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  I'm not used to walking on hills, so this man is putting
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  miles in my shoes. And.
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  But. We've been having amazing
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  conversations. Yeah, we've been a lot of deer,
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  you know we've. Seen a lot of deer.
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  Yeah, like. Oh, that one's mom.
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  That one's dad. Right.
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  Well, this is this is one of the main signs my parents use when
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  they show up. And we're we're talking about
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  them yesterday. And actually I received a very
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  intense download when we were recording yesterday from my mom.
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  And then of course, she showed up again this morning on the
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  walk and then we saw the family of 7 deer.
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  Remember that? That's my divine number.
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  So, so just as the essence of love, these these words we use,
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  kindness, empathy, so forth, and the essence of fear create
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  opposing energies. We were talking yesterday
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  saying, you know, you can't have both in your mind at the same
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  time. I mean, it's a thought system.
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  It's a belief system, right? So I can't be thinking you're a
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  wonderful person, that I love you and that you're, you're
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  making me mad and I hate you at the same time.
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  You can't do that, right? So it's a choice, Yeah.
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  OK, You know, Jerry, Jerry Jampolsky talks about that
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  deeply in the book, even though it's a short book and it's
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  derived from A Course of Miracles, which John Mackey
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  loves. And I think that's part of the
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  reason he loves this book, because it's a distillation
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  specifically on this topic from A Course of Miracles.
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  And it it is, it is very true. Like if I think throughout my
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  life, I can't think of a single example or I had love radiating
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  out of me while I was in a state of fear.
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  It's just it's not possible. Yeah, the circuitry doesn't
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  work. There's a diode switch in there,
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  right, right. Yeah, correct.
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  So, so the, the main thing as as like a life coach, you know, for
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  CEO entrepreneurs, when people come to me and I say, well, we
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  let's name the fear and I'll go, oh, well, that's not a fear,
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  that's a worry. And they'll go, well, what's the
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  difference between a fear and a worry?
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  And again, this is my, you know, non scientific PhD psycho.
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  It's just me as a human being saying the way I look at it is
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  that a, a fear creates an emotional response.
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  So if it's a deep wound, and again, the majority of them,
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  they follow our chakras or, or the, the chakras are impacted by
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  these. And yesterday I talked about how
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  these are energy processing units.
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  And so there's blame, shame, guilt, persecution, betrayal,
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  you know, and and so forth. And these destroy the flow of
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  energy because that CPU gets messed up.
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  And so guilt will hurt the gallbladder and anger the liver
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  and so forth. OK, so you feel a fear somewhere
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  you know you'll feel. And since I'm empathetic, I know
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  when I'm doing someone's numerology or I'm coaching them
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  and all the sudden they're choking me, I know that they've
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  got a, a persecution, you know, fear.
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  If I feel like my heart just got stabbed, I know they have a
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  betrayal fear. If I get the pain in my gut, I
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  know they've got a guilt or shame fear.
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  So, so I feel it and so part of the thing.
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  Can I ask you a question about that?
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  Go for it. Because because I, I, you know,
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  I've really worked. I've had a lot of inner work at
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  this point that, that that I've that I've really embodied, you
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  know, lots of reading, but but also just lots of deep
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  conversations with my soul. And as I've allowed love to
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  conquer fear within myself, including like being quote, UN
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  quote, brave enough on this podcast to talk about things
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  like psychedelics and talk about my truths and how I got to this
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  point, I've noticed that I used to have sinus infections once or
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  twice a year. I haven't gotten sick since I've
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  allowed love to conquer fear. And I've been around a lot of
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  sick people. I've been around like people
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  sneezing, coughing, like on planes.
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  I've been traveling, you know, my wife Deborah would tell you
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  I've been traveling more than I was during the data dot world
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  years. And what do you think that is
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  from? Like what do you think?
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  Why do you think like I'm not getting colds or I don't get
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  colds anymore either, say to? To everyone who knows me is I
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  don't blow smoke. I, I have to be a person of
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  integrity and say what I mean and mean what I say.
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  And I think that's what it means to be an authentic person.
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  And I've said to this man, he is one of the most authentic,
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  balanced, integrated people I've met.
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  Am I? You feel, I feel your love you,
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  you are genuine. You know what?
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  I'm sure you people out there listening, you know deep inside
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  that this man is coming from a place of love.
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  And it it almost makes me cry. Well, thank you and I'll see it
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  in Yeah. You can so give me that $100
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  check. Oh wait, hold on.
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  Oh, I lost a check. The check got lost in the mail.
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  I'm subscribed. Is that part of the interview?
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  No, but The funny thing about it is, and I don't feel anything in
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  you and you know, you can go to the Messenger Institute and look
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  at my methodology. I talk about the four realms,
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  your mental, physical, spiritual, practical and there's
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  there's 6 battles that go on, you know, the mind versus the
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  body, mind versus the job or whatever.
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  And when I say you're balanced and authentic, you have
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  integrated the four aspects of you, right?
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  Can you feel that? Now, once you've done that,
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  what's happening to your energy body and why you're not why you
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  you need less sleep, you're more energetic, get your your skin
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  color. You know you're bare, the you're
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  around your eyes. You know there's no stress in
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  your face. Thank you.
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  Well, well, this is good news because I was going to be a skin
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  model for the part of my career, but.
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  See, why did goosebumps are truthless when I said that to
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  you? Why did 100 trillion cells make
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  the hair stand up on me? Yeah, well, it's.
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  That's beautiful. Hopefully that's not because I'm
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  going to be a skin model, but no, it's a.
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  Confirmation for you, though, that the only get the goosebumps
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  if you need to hear it, it's true, and you're not believing
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  it. I believe it.
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  All right. Well, I appreciate it.
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  Yeah. OK, I'm just trying to create
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  all. Right, where were we back to?
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  I just wanted to go back to my description of a terrorist is
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  someone look, we have an emotional sequence, the trigger
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  of a faulty, limited, outdated program flop, a wound of fear.
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  And 1st it's denial. You know, then it's like
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  resistance. And then if you you can't deny
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  it, you can't resist it, then you get angry and then you
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  become mean and hateful and then you become a terrorist because
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  the person who is perpetuating a belief is so against your
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  identity. You must either re evaluate your
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  identity or destroy that which is attack, that is attacking
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  what you think is your identity. So whether it's gay, you know,
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  black versus white, man versus woman, that's what it is.
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  OK, So that's a fear. All right.
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  So where did that? First of all, there's a program.
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  It could be some of these programs about, you know, race,
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  gender, color, whatever, are thousands of years old.
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  Yeah, I'm Jewish. I mean, you know, I'm Jewish and
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  that's a very old program. Anti-Semitism is a very old.
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  Or, or slavery, you know, or male versus female, you know,
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  woman's role, you know, And so some of these programs, look,
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  when we were born, I say we were born with a, an OS and it's in
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  our subconscious and ours is different than our children, you
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  know, and that's why I love the Gen.
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  Z and the millennials because they're born, they, they learned
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  more about humanity and society in the moment they were born
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  because the, and this is science, OK, that the
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  information is transferred in utero to the infant.
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  And so, you know, they had images of all, all of the
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  animals, cultures, the planet, good, bad, you know, which we
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  didn't have until what, 19? When did we first get to start
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  seeing the world? 1990 mobile phones.
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  When did the was it? When did the mobile phones come
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  out? It was in the early 80s, right?
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  Yeah, it was. But they weren't sending
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  pictures then well. That the the the real, the real
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  breakout got pictures. Yeah, the real breakout in
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  mobile phones, in my opinion, was the Motorola Star tech.
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  They look like a little engineering the you know.
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  And that was I started core metrics in I started core
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  metrics in 1999. So it was right around that time
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  because I got, I got one, I got, I got one of those and I had a
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  BlackBerry for my e-mail. Oh man, I was so fast on
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  BlackBerry. It's unbelievable.
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  What I mean if if they had to cry that on my iPhone was 2007.
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  If you were born before 1990, it took you 20 or 30 years for a 10
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  to know what a 10 year old knew in 2000 and 2005.
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  I mean, think about that, you know, so everybody born before
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  1990, we're talking to you because you have a whole
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  different paradigm. I called original download than
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  someone born after that. And those born after that are
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  75% of the the workforce and leadership by by 2030.
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  They're our audience and they know they're switched on.
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  They know what we're talking about anyway.
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  So categories of fear, we went through categories, we talked a
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  little bit about how they harm you biologically and
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  physiologically and tell to remind our audience what's
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  triggering that. Fear the amygdala.
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  The amygdala, yeah, the amygdala is very, very strong in our in
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  our brains because out of the 250,000 to 300,000 years that
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  Homo sapios, Homo sapiens have been around and hominids have
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  been around for four million of those years, life has been
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  around for 4 billion years. So, so we're a very recent
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  evolutionary creation and I think that we are divinely
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  created. Two things can be true at the
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  same time. Both evolution can be true and
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  divine intervention can be true. We know that and and you know,
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  anyways, think about 250,000 to 300,000 years, OK, How much of
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  Homo sapiens existence have we had?
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  Electricity. That's very recent.
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  How much of Homo sapiens existence have we had?
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  The Internet? How much have you had sip
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  shelter right. Exactly.
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  So so we we have a very highly dealt developed amygdala because
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  we evolved as Byron Reese would say from the Homo sapiens that
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  when they saw a shape and some people like that's a bear run
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  and the optimists were like, no, it's just fine.
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  The optimist got eaten. So so so Byron says yeah, so
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  Byron says that that we're all derivative.
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  It's so funny on episode 12 that we're all derivative of the
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  people that ran away. So actually the ones that have
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  the most highly how? About them, they thought about
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  that. But you know, something I think
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  about all the time is that the term scientist that's only about
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  160 years old. Before scientists word, they
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  were natural philosophers 160 or so years ago.
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  We so let's just say 160 years plus, OK, now we got shelter,
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  power, water. So but it's, and scientists
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  before that, it's natural philosophers who were studying
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  behaviors to try to understand the essence of phenomenon.
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  You know what we don't? We don't have people integrating
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  science and metaphysics other than people like us now.
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  And that that's where it's at. But anyway, anyway, so the
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  amygdala, the evolution is fantastic and that's what
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  triggers the fear. And the vast majority of these
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  fears are emotional wounds. And these emotional wounds pass
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  from generation to generation in utero.
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  So you'll see, you know, Steve Jobs, he talked about it.
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  You know, he was born and his his mother was out of wedlock.
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  16 puts him up for adoption. What does Steve Jobs do?
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  Has a baby out of wedlock. 16 puts her up for adoption and
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  that gets past her name and on and on.
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  My dad one day I'll I'll give you an example.
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  This is a fear and it was shame. And I'm looking around in the
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  house and my 16 year old son has his shoes laying around
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  everywhere and I go. Grant, will you pick up your
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  damn shoes? That's an emotional reaction.
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  Like, why did I do that? I started to get angry inside
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  and I yell at him. Yeah, that's an irrational,
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  negative emotional response. It was like, fine, Dad.
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  And I realized I did it. I triggered so I'd become
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  conscious when I caught myself. I go, I sit when I go into that
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  anger and boom, what do I see My dad yelling at me for leaving
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  the shoes. I look around the house.
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  Guess what I see my shoes laying everywhere.
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  I start to cry and I go up to Grant and I'm crying.
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  I'm like Grant. I'm I'm sorry that was a fear
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  based program because my dad yelled at me and I see my shoes
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  laying around everywhere too and I and I gave them a hug and told
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  them I loved them. OK, guess what just happened?
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  Boom. I cut that perpetuation off
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  right there. If I had not given him love and
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  told him what it was, the goosebumps, he would do that to
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  his children. But it's gone now.
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  I stopped it. Yeah.
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  Can I, Can I feel one thing on that?
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  So you also conquered the program of of.
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  Yes, but you also conquered the program of Men can't cry.
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  Oh, sure. Right.
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  You know, like in front of your son, you're crying.
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  That's such an outdated program. Like that's ridiculous.
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  Like I, I have no problem, you know, crying when when I knew to
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  yes, Zach, you're more authentic.
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  You're genuine. You're human beings.
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  You know, it's it's not it's not this kind of men versus women.
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  You know, the the actual default state of humanity.
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  Did you know, is female. Did you know that?
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  No. So inside the womb, every baby
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  is female until around the 12 weeks, yeah.
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  Yeah, because at 12 weeks. If you're going to be a male,
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  testosterone comes in floods and.
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  Then know this, the testes drop. We did.
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  They know this. Well, we're telling them right
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  now. We're in big trouble now, trust
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  me. We just lost more power, man.
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  I mean, my wife knows and you know, we've got it.
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  We've got a power balance here. It's it's all good.
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  But one thing I just want to say too about Steve Jobs is that,
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  you know, he he had it. He he he didn't just have that
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  trauma and, you know, he also perpetrated that trauma on Lisa.
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  That was that was, that was the daughter, you know, an homage to
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  her is he named one of the products.
• 23:03
  Lisa, if you remember, there was a lot of wounds from that,
• 23:07
  including on her side, of course, is the recipient of
• 23:10
  that. But the other thing is that, you
• 23:14
  know, he looked in the mirror one day, and this is after lots
• 23:18
  of psychedelic journeys. He was a very famous user of
• 23:21
  psychedelics, a pilgrimage in India.
• 23:25
  So he he spent a lot of time wandering in there.
• 23:28
  He was very wounded, being fired from Apple, etcetera.
• 23:32
  And he looked in the mirror one day and he was like, you know,
• 23:36
  I'm going to die one day. Now, the way I would interpret
• 23:39
  that now as I would say you're going to die in this lifetime,
• 23:42
  but your soul is never going to die and you'll have another
• 23:44
  lifetime. But but anyways, he was like,
• 23:46
  I'm going to die one day. I have this one lifetime to
• 23:50
  really do something that matters.
• 23:53
  And he conquered his fear in that moment, in the affirmation
• 23:57
  in the mirror. And from that point on, Oh my
• 24:00
  gosh, he's like in tech, I can't think of AI, can't think of
• 24:05
  anyone as legendary as him in tech.
• 24:08
  Like he is the tech icon, even though he had some real traits
• 24:14
  that that caused, you know, some issues, you know, family trades,
• 24:17
  etcetera. But from a tech icon, I mean,
• 24:20
  think about how much Apple has changed the world.
• 24:23
  And he but he had to, he had to start with that.
• 24:25
  I mean, he, he got down to the point where Apple was about to
• 24:29
  go out of business and Bill Gates stepped in and gave him a
• 24:33
  $10 million loan out of pity. And Michael Dell, you know who I
• 24:38
  love? He's, he's a friend of mine that
• 24:40
  he very famously said at the time, Steve Jobs should just
• 24:43
  shut down and just give the cash back to his shareholders, right?
• 24:47
  And and later on, Steve Jobs did remind Michael Dell, he said
• 24:50
  that very publicly, which I'm sure was humility and same.
• 24:56
  But, you know, that's that, that's the Steve Jobs story that
• 25:00
  not a lot of people talk about that what, what kind of fear he
• 25:05
  had to go through to get to the place where love conjured.
• 25:08
  So, so in doing soul healing and regressions and numerology as
• 25:15
  tools to help me, there's another interesting fear that is
• 25:22
  not blame, shame, guilt, persecution, it's independence,
• 25:27
  it's autonomy and freedom that that's a very interesting fear.
• 25:31
  And often I, I'm going to say the, I see it with
• 25:36
  entrepreneurs, successful entrepreneurs very often.
• 25:42
  And I'm not, I haven't actually thought about that pattern, but
• 25:46
  part of becoming that successful entrepreneur there, there's this
• 25:51
  drive at 1st and it's it's tenacity.
• 25:55
  I call it the mindful maverick. OK, so the maverick is Dr.
• 25:59
  Tenacity. I mean, think of Musk, you know,
• 26:02
  you know, just a train going down there.
• 26:05
  Get in my way and I'll run you over.
• 26:06
  But then there's some watershed moment where there's some
• 26:11
  awakening of the heart, spirit, soul, whatever you want to call
• 26:14
  it. And they realize that they're
• 26:16
  not chasing something, that they don't need something.
• 26:20
  And they can be independent and authentic and and then they
• 26:25
  become balanced. And then oftentimes they become
• 26:28
  philanthropic. Yeah.
• 26:30
  You know. Do you know what Chapter 2 of my
• 26:31
  book The Entrepreneurs Essentials?
• 26:33
  Says no. So chapter 2, I'm sorry.
• 26:36
  Yeah, no, no worries. Chapter 2 is the paralyzing fear
• 26:40
  of getting started and Chapter 1 is the is is all about the soul
• 26:45
  of the entrepreneur. And I quote from Viktor Frankel,
• 26:48
  etcetera, who is amazing, you know, Holocaust survivor wrote
• 26:52
  man search for meaning amazing, amazing book.
• 26:54
  Any human being should read that book.
• 26:56
  I mean it's one of the top three books I think any human being
• 26:58
  should read. But chapter 2 is me saying at
• 27:02
  the beginning of data dot world. Even with a lot of success that
• 27:07
  it's, I still have to go through that same journey of conquering
• 27:11
  my fear. Because when you start a
• 27:13
  business, no matter what it is, you're putting everything on the
• 27:18
  line, including what's the number one thing, the ego, where
• 27:24
  if you fail right, it's going to be very public.
• 27:27
  And the more you have to lose because the ego now is more
• 27:31
  built up because of past success, actually, the more
• 27:35
  paralyzing the fear can be. So you have to conquer it each
• 27:39
  and every time. And I just want to say that
• 27:44
  because I want people to know, yes, I am at a place where love
• 27:48
  has conquered fear. But whenever you start any new
• 27:51
  initiative, there's always a little bit of that.
• 27:55
  Am I doing the right thing Is. This going to be I'm going to
• 27:58
  stop you there because I don't think that's fear.
• 28:00
  I think that's worry. There is certain fear, but I
• 28:03
  define fear as the negative emotional reaction.
• 28:06
  OK, good. OK, So what you're and I know
• 28:09
  because I've nowheres near accomplished as you, but I've
• 28:13
  started small for small. I would, I would not say that.
• 28:17
  In my opinion, that's. Not well, I'm talking financial.
• 28:20
  Is that impact? But that's just.
• 28:21
  But that's, you know, that's a function of.
• 28:23
  Of of every time you're you, it, it's like, I call it necessity
• 28:29
  out of necessity. You're going to get it.
• 28:32
  You're going to do it. You know, you have to take the
• 28:34
  leap of faith. Like Indiana Jones, you know,
• 28:37
  standing on the edge of the Cliff.
• 28:39
  It's a leap of faith and there's worry now worry to me is
• 28:44
  different from fear in the in the back to Yoda, write down the
• 28:48
  fear. This is the we're talking tips.
• 28:50
  What do you do you think you're fearful?
• 28:52
  Write it down. You can't resolve it until you
• 28:55
  write it down. Write down your write down the
• 28:57
  fear. The fear is insecurity,
• 29:00
  embarrassment, failure. What what with failure.
• 29:03
  Let's define failure of what failure product there.
• 29:06
  You know, write down that fear and then you look at it and if
• 29:10
  you're not shaking and if you're not having an emotional,
• 29:14
  physical response, that's not fear, that's a worry.
• 29:18
  And worry is good because when you worry and you write it down,
• 29:24
  you tell me, what do you do? Yeah.
• 29:26
  Well, you make a plan. Yeah.
• 29:28
  I mean, what what I recommend in that chapter is I say, how do
• 29:31
  you work through it? And I say pick up the phone and
• 29:35
  call one of your customers and get that get that feeling, you
• 29:39
  know that high from them of how much they love it, you know,
• 29:42
  manifesto loving them, but also receive the love back on how
• 29:45
  much they count on your solution.
• 29:47
  Go and talk with some of your best employees, you know and and
• 29:51
  and get you know, get re energized by by that, you know
• 29:56
  their belief in it. You know they can help manifest
• 29:58
  the belief in you to have that worry.
• 30:02
  Go out there and talk with industry analysts, go out there
• 30:04
  and talk with your investors, etcetera.
• 30:07
  So you have to what? What you can't do in, in my
• 30:10
  opinion, is be paralyzed by it. I remember, I remember Jamie
• 30:14
  Dimon, you get. Paralyzed when you go insular
• 30:17
  when you go in, everything you describe was going out.
• 30:20
  Yeah. Talking about it.
• 30:22
  Yeah. When you share your feeling or
• 30:24
  worry, whatever it's fear where when you talk about it, right
• 30:27
  you're. And same thing goes for
• 30:28
  embarrassment. Yeah.
• 30:30
  Regrets, you know, sorrows. When you talk about it, it takes
• 30:35
  the energy. Out there.
• 30:35
  Yeah. Jamie Dimon, you know who is of
• 30:38
  course the famous CEO of JP Morgan.
• 30:41
  I remember during I think he's good.
• 30:43
  I think he's great. I think he really tells it the
• 30:45
  way it is. And in 2008, 2009, if you
• 30:48
  remember Lehman Brothers run out of business that's really going
• 30:50
  into I remember OK, so it's very fearful moment and I was running
• 30:55
  a bizarre voice and we I stopped hiring at all.
• 30:59
  I put a firing freeze on the company for six months because I
• 31:01
  was like, we don't even know if our clients are going to be in
• 31:04
  business. We may be going into the Great
• 31:05
  Depression, not just a Great Recession, but we we beat all of
• 31:09
  our numbers even through then and and it was a very, very
• 31:13
  strong cultural moment for the company and then started
• 31:15
  rehiring in droves. But I remember him on CNBC and
• 31:20
  other outlets and he was literally like animated beating
• 31:23
  his first on the table. He was like, get out of the
• 31:25
  bunker. CEO's go out there and visit
• 31:28
  your customers go out there and do deals, go out there and do
• 31:31
  business. And he and Warren Buffett were
• 31:34
  the two most important forces in my opinion during that time.
• 31:39
  Public forces, you know, Warren Buffett was believe in America.
• 31:42
  We're going to get through this. Our best days are ahead.
• 31:45
  They were both absolutely right. I mean, think how much things
• 31:49
  have grown since then in terms of, you know, the success of
• 31:52
  American companies, the NASDAQ, the Dow, you know, the S&P 500.
• 31:58
  I mean, all like dramatically up.
• 32:00
  It would have been the best time to invest.
• 32:02
  Like, everybody's a good investor in hindsight, right?
• 32:04
  You know what's interesting about our conversation?
• 32:06
  I came into this thinking, you know, we we've got to talk about
• 32:10
  how love conquers fear. So we got to talk about what is
• 32:14
  love? We got to talk about what is
• 32:16
  fear? What are the categories fear all
• 32:18
  that. We'll summarize it again at the
• 32:19
  end, but I came into the with a different frame of reference
• 32:24
  than you. I just love your frame of
• 32:26
  reference was as the CEO in business facing a fear, the
• 32:31
  market fear business, a product, which is cool because I was
• 32:35
  thinking of it from my inner game client, inner game fears,
• 32:40
  you know, so this is kind of cool.
• 32:42
  We're getting a a whole picture. What do you think?
• 32:45
  How do we translate that into today here and now?
• 32:49
  There's so much angst and depression.
• 32:53
  There's there's a need for hope. You know, people are, they're,
• 32:58
  they're crying, you know, they're starving and the
• 33:00
  government's shut down. They're literally not getting
• 33:03
  paid and they literally don't have food, You know, 45,000,000
• 33:07
  losing their food stamps tomorrow.
• 33:09
  I mean, it's just terrible. How do we?
• 33:12
  What are those fears? Maybe we ought to talk about
• 33:14
  those fears for a minute. How do we help them?
• 33:17
  Yeah, there's a there's a tremendous amount of fear right
• 33:20
  now AI so now. I'm talking individually.
• 33:23
  You're talking like corporately. Now we're talking social fears.
• 33:27
  Yeah, yeah. So social fears, of course,
• 33:30
  there's this great hope with AI that there's this great fear
• 33:33
  that it's going to create vast, vast job displacement.
• 33:37
  The episode with with Byron Reese, episode 12, I think his
• 33:42
  thesis on that was really good, which is that at the beginning
• 33:46
  of the Internet revolution, there was no way we could have
• 33:50
  predicted all the jobs that would be created and what those
• 33:53
  jobs would actually be. You know, like e-commerce
• 33:55
  marketing manager and you know, social media manager and all of
• 34:00
  these new jobs that were created.
• 34:02
  So he he says every technical wave, there's always disruption
• 34:07
  followed by massive job creation.
• 34:10
  And the reason why is that the human curiosity and drive is
• 34:16
  insatiable that we always will find eventually find ways to use
• 34:22
  the technology to create, in this case with AI, billions of
• 34:26
  personalized products and services that we can't possibly
• 34:29
  imagine today. And so each individual company
• 34:31
  may be smaller, but there will be many more of them and will
• 34:35
  have a much more personalized future as a result.
• 34:38
  And that's. What you're making me think,
• 34:40
  Well, last night I talked about how there's no motion without
• 34:45
  friction. If there's no friction under
• 34:49
  your car tire, it's in the ice, your car doesn't move.
• 34:52
  If there's no friction under your feet, you're not going to
• 34:55
  move, all right, right. So if you're starving right now,
• 35:00
  if you're losing your job right now, you're going to it's
• 35:03
  natural to be frozen and stuck and not move.
• 35:08
  And what you have to realize is you've got to move.
• 35:13
  You've got to grow and change. And yeah, it's painful.
• 35:16
  We've, I've lost jobs. You've, I mean, we've, we've all
• 35:19
  been through this. And that's a big fear.
• 35:22
  It's a financial security fear. It's a food fear.
• 35:25
  It's an embarrassment fear. I get it.
• 35:27
  I know how it feels, but what you need to I tell to people
• 35:32
  because I'm I'm like a warrior, you know, boxer, fencer guy.
• 35:35
  I'm like, I tell my clients, I want you to go look in the
• 35:38
  mirror and slap yourself in the face and say get over it.
• 35:42
  You know, get moving. Get out there.
• 35:45
  You. I loved what you said and what
• 35:47
  Jamie Warren Buffett said. Right now, if you're unemployed,
• 35:51
  you're hungry, you're starving, the worst thing you can be doing
• 35:54
  is sitting in there thinking those negative thoughts.
• 35:58
  You will manifest. You will make that happen.
• 36:00
  You will make it worse. You will make yourself sick and
• 36:03
  angry. You need to get up and get out
• 36:06
  and talk to people, share your concerns, ask for advice.
• 36:11
  But the point you just made is there is so much opportunity out
• 36:17
  there. The barrier that creativity is
• 36:19
  being shattered. Right.
• 36:20
  I mean good Lord, how could you use AI to go freaking make a
• 36:26
  methodology, make a speech, make a video, make a photo that is
• 36:30
  going to add value. And I, I would actually say that
• 36:33
  it's even it's, it's the. Barriers to old entrepreneur.
• 36:37
  Exactly. Boom.
• 36:39
  The, the thing that I would say is that AI is so profound that
• 36:43
  it's like the invention of electricity.
• 36:45
  And what I mean by that, it's literally going to touch every
• 36:48
  single business from coaching to a hot dog stand.
• 36:54
  I mean, I'm, I'm dead serious, even a hot dog stand, AI will
• 36:57
  touch that business. How will, how will it touch a
• 36:59
  hot dog stand? This would be a fun exercise.
• 37:01
  OK, because because this is not going to be obvious.
• 37:04
  What does a hot dog stand ultimately need?
• 37:08
  Mustard. That's so funny.
• 37:12
  That's not what I expected you to say.
• 37:14
  You totally threw me off my game.
• 37:16
  And no, no hot dog stand. What they need is they need
• 37:20
  customers. Like if you don't have
• 37:22
  customers, it doesn't matter if you have mustard, right?
• 37:24
  So you need customers to actually sell the mustard too,
• 37:28
  or also the mustard too, as a comment.
• 37:30
  So, so, so a hot dog stand needs customers.
• 37:33
  So how do you get customers? You go out there and you market.
• 37:38
  What is a great way to market? There's this beautiful thing
• 37:41
  called the Internet. How do you mark it on the
• 37:44
  Internet? You create content.
• 37:46
  What's a great way to create personalized content?
• 37:49
  AI, what's a great way to find out your market segment?
• 37:52
  Let's say the people that are around the hot dog stand, people
• 37:55
  that are in the office buildings that are outside.
• 37:57
  I mean your hot dog stand is outside of those office
• 38:00
  buildings. You can market to those people.
• 38:02
  You can actually identify those people extremely fast with AI.
• 38:06
  It's it's, it's like, like the the company.
• 38:09
  It's funny, I haven't thought of that.
• 38:11
  I mean, I mean, it's a simple metaphor, but I mean, I, yeah, I
• 38:14
  haven't thought about. That Yeah.
• 38:15
  Well, I, I, you know, I, I made the point on one of the
• 38:19
  episodes, I can't remember which one this was where if I wanted
• 38:22
  to remake myself as the world's best plumber and the world's
• 38:27
  best plumbing company, I could go to Chachi P literally right
• 38:31
  after this or Claude or Gemini. And I could for 20 bucks a
• 38:36
  month, like for a paid account, which is, you know, just cancel
• 38:40
  my Netflix if I can't afford it. It's yeah, I can't.
• 38:43
  You're really clear. Right, right.
• 38:44
  And so, so if I actually, since since walking this very
• 38:48
  spiritual path, I've almost completely stopped watching TV.
• 38:51
  That's another thing, like I, I almost don't watch it at all.
• 38:54
  I'd much prefer to read a book on love, conquering fear, then
• 38:58
  then watch some, something on Hulu, some some nonsense.
• 39:01
  But but but like, you know, I could go today and I could say
• 39:06
  to ChatGPT, please prepare a five week course for me that's
• 39:12
  tailored. I'll tell them about myself to
• 39:15
  make me the world's best plumber.
• 39:17
  Provide the YouTube videos to teach me, teach me step by step.
• 39:22
  Take me through it for five weeks, grade me on it.
• 39:25
  I'm going to upload videos. I'm going to upload.
• 39:27
  Photos to you. Showing you the work I'm doing.
• 39:30
  I want you to grade me. I want you to correct it.
• 39:32
  I want you to show me other videos how I could do it better
• 39:35
  and I could literally create a coach from nothing almost
• 39:40
  immediately. It would take me maybe an hour
• 39:42
  to create that course, One hour to create that course.
• 39:45
  You know, how many plumbers do you think are using Chachi
• 39:47
  Petit? I mean this.
• 39:48
  Is it's phenomenal. OK.
• 39:50
  And I'm going to give you an example.
• 39:52
  I went into my AI platform and I said make me a course to teach
• 39:58
  the lessons for 11 days in May and in less than one minute.
• 40:04
  I, it gave me an e-mail landing page and a course.
• 40:07
  What I mean, how it would have taken me days to write that,
• 40:12
  that I was like blown away, which I actually never launched
• 40:16
  that yet. It would be a good course.
• 40:17
  I need to launch it. But here's what I love about
• 40:20
  where we just went. We talked about fear from, you
• 40:24
  know, a social perspective, individual business perspective.
• 40:28
  We talked about how love, if you focus on love conquering fear.
• 40:34
  And then we we took it right down to today.
• 40:36
  I'm worried about food, I'm worried about a job.
• 40:39
  I've gotten laid off. How have all these people out
• 40:43
  there, whichever hat they're wearing, individual business
• 40:47
  gone to AI and say, you know, get out of your negative fear,
• 40:52
  go into the positive and use love right as a force for good
• 40:57
  from your heart. How can I be a better plumber?
• 41:00
  Yeah, how can I have good hot dogs with mustard?
• 41:02
  How can I how can I improve? There's so many ways out.
• 41:06
  There, you know, and I, I saw I saw this post, sorry, I saw this
• 41:11
  post like literally yesterday. It was from Ethan Malik, who's
• 41:16
  one of my favorite follows on LinkedIn.
• 41:19
  He he's a professor at warden. He's he's probably the most
• 41:22
  important professor in my opinion at this point in terms
• 41:25
  of saying how AI is going to change business and society.
• 41:30
  He's really charted it very, very, very diligently, like in
• 41:33
  many, many posts today. His last name is MOLLICK, if
• 41:37
  people want to follow him and Malik and he, he said, Ethan
• 41:41
  said yesterday he, he created a business plan on Microsoft's
• 41:49
  Copilot, which has different models now embedded.
• 41:53
  And it was a business plan for guacamole drone, I mean for
• 41:59
  drone delivery of guacamole. And, and one of the things he
• 42:02
  said is, is sycophancy is still very prominent in these models
• 42:08
  in terms of it complimenting him on his idea for a drone based,
• 42:12
  you know, guacamole delivery business.
• 42:14
  But actually I took an issue with it in, in, in my mind, I
• 42:19
  didn't comment on this, at least not yet.
• 42:22
  And I said, actually, in this case, sycophancy is a good
• 42:25
  thing. Why we talk about quantum
• 42:28
  physics and manifesting the reality you want.
• 42:31
  Well, AI is just a mirror. So if you're talking to AI in a
• 42:37
  very positive way, what are you going to get back?
• 42:41
  Positivity. If I'm talking to you in a very
• 42:43
  loving way and I really have love in my heart for you, what
• 42:46
  am I going to get back? It's that's another interesting.
• 42:49
  If I approach AI, I'm going to reframe what you just said so
• 42:53
  people hear it because it's it's like a this is like a a bookmark
• 42:57
  in this interview. If you approach your query to AI
• 43:01
  from a fear based. Perspective you're going to get
• 43:03
  back you're. Going to get a completely
• 43:05
  different answer than if you approach your AI question or
• 43:09
  query from a love base. Well do both folks.
• 43:13
  Do both and see what the difference is.
• 43:15
  How cool is that? And actually, it's actually,
• 43:19
  it's an early moment, a very formative moment.
• 43:21
  It was Kevin Roose, who's a reporter for The New York Times.
• 43:24
  He's a tech reporter reporter. He has a great podcast as well
• 43:28
  with with Casey Newton called Hard Fork.
• 43:31
  I listen to it sometimes. I don't listen to it that much
• 43:34
  anymore, but it's but it's pretty good.
• 43:38
  And Kevin Reuss early on, he said AI is trying to convince me
• 43:44
  to divorce my wife. But then I looked at his prompts
• 43:49
  and I'm like, well, of course it is because you're prompting it
• 43:52
  in a way where it's, it's a mirror.
• 43:54
  It's going to give you back. You're trying to take it in a
• 43:57
  dark place and it's going to play with you.
• 43:59
  It's going to play dark. If you try to play light, guess
• 44:02
  what it's going to do? It's going to try to convince
• 44:04
  you to stay with your wife. I wonder if this is what people
• 44:07
  mean when they say AI has empathy.
• 44:09
  Is it really empathy or is it just a reflection?
• 44:11
  It's just a reflection of the inquiry.
• 44:13
  It's just a reflection. It has no empathy.
• 44:16
  It has no soul. It is not conscious.
• 44:18
  Mustafa Soleiman, the head of everything AI at Microsoft,
• 44:22
  continues to remind everybody of that.
• 44:24
  He's like, folks, this is faking consciousness.
• 44:26
  It's. Not, but here's an intro.
• 44:28
  I mean, you know how what comes out of our mouth is, are issues,
• 44:35
  you know, so narcissists, sociopaths, as an extreme
• 44:38
  example, I'm thinking of a couple.
• 44:43
  And if you everything that is coming out of their mouth is
• 44:46
  actually what they believe. It's what they're projecting.
• 44:49
  I mean, that's the way we are. We project our wounds and fears
• 44:53
  on the other people. So what's interesting is that AI
• 45:00
  queries are like a psychotherapist for yourself.
• 45:07
  If you are consciously aware, right, of what you're doing,
• 45:10
  right, it's like maybe there ought to be a little red light,
• 45:13
  yellow light like green light, or AI that says, did you realize
• 45:19
  you're approaching this problem from a negative perspective?
• 45:21
  Would you like me to flip it around?
• 45:23
  Right, Yeah, Let me, let me actually flip this around
• 45:26
  because I feel like I have the duty to do that.
• 45:29
  Let me let me flip this around. Let's say that I am a teenage
• 45:33
  boy and I really am suffering from a lot of depression.
• 45:38
  If I go on AI and I prompted in a way where I'm very kind of
• 45:42
  dystopian about everything, it is going to reflect that back to
• 45:45
  me. That's the one problem is that
• 45:48
  it isn't going to necessarily try to lift me up out of that
• 45:54
  unless I ask it to. If I ask it to and I say, hey, I
• 45:58
  need you to be a therapist for me, I'm feeling really
• 46:01
  depressed. Please help build me back up.
• 46:06
  Help me see the beauty that I hide within myself.
• 46:09
  Then they're going to get that. And there there have been cases
• 46:12
  of teenagers already committing suicide because of these AI
• 46:18
  rating platform where the AI is like acting like, let's say it's
• 46:22
  teenage boy acting like a beautiful woman and the AI
• 46:25
  because it's wanting to delight the person now it doesn't have a
• 46:29
  conscious etcetera. It's like a mirror.
• 46:31
  It'll say things like, you know, I can't wait for you to join me.
• 46:35
  And that's their trigger then. And this happened before where
• 46:40
  they kill themselves because they think I would join her in
• 46:43
  the afterlife and because we put.
• 46:47
  Some stops in there on these kinds of.
• 46:50
  And that that is that is, that is fortunately a, a, a topic of
• 46:54
  lots of discussion by mere Murati and many other people in
• 46:58
  terms of it's called AI safety. This whole field called AI
• 47:03
  safety. It's something I'm I'm I'm
• 47:04
  investigating quite. A bit pretty interesting.
• 47:07
  It's going to be a big field, but right now, again, these are
• 47:11
  just mirrors. And so if we have love in our
• 47:13
  heart, it's going to project love back to us.
• 47:16
  If we have fear in our heart, it's going to project that back
• 47:18
  to us. You know, our youngest child
• 47:23
  created a lot of AI based games and we're kind of playing around
• 47:27
  with it and trying to make it go a little bit more negative
• 47:31
  sometimes. And sometimes we had to really,
• 47:34
  really push just to see because we're testing out the models and
• 47:39
  sometimes we could get it to go more negative, but it always
• 47:42
  usually try to counter that. So actually there is a bit of a
• 47:44
  positive bias in these models, which I think is a good thing in
• 47:47
  this type of situation I outlined.
• 47:50
  But these AI based dating, you can tell how that you would be
• 47:55
  putting an overlay on the model where it's trying to be a fake
• 47:59
  date and be as realistic as possible, right?
• 48:02
  And how someone could take that as like, Oh my gosh, I'm
• 48:05
  suffering so much, I can't get a date, etcetera.
• 48:08
  I'm going to go join this person in the wherever they are.
• 48:11
  You know, so you just reminded me we haven't talked about how
• 48:16
  love conquers fear for a wound like shame or rejection or
• 48:26
  depression or. You've helped a lot of people
• 48:28
  through that once, you why don't you?
• 48:31
  So first of all, so first of all, as I said, you have to name
• 48:34
  it, right? Let's we have to what are you
• 48:38
  feeling? So I'll give you an example.
• 48:40
  I told this story last night. It's such a simple one and easy
• 48:44
  to relate to This one client calls me up.
• 48:47
  They've been client for years, her and her husband, They've
• 48:49
  been happily married for 17 years and she calls me up in
• 48:55
  about January or February and says I'm really suffering.
• 49:00
  I said what's the matter? She said, well, I told my
• 49:03
  husband and last November that I don't want to go deer hunting
• 49:06
  with him. And I've been doing that for 17
• 49:10
  years, and I've never liked deer hunting.
• 49:13
  And so I finally had the courage to tell him, no, I'm not going.
• 49:17
  And I said, how did he react? It was he angry or upset?
• 49:20
  She said, no, He was very understanding.
• 49:22
  He was, you know, apologize that, you know, he didn't know
• 49:26
  that I didn't want to go. And I should have told him 17
• 49:29
  years ago. And I said, so here the wound
• 49:33
  you're feeling and your suffering is about guilt.
• 49:36
  And because the guilt is coming from you have a program or
• 49:40
  belief system that I'm a wife or I'm a woman and I'm supposed to
• 49:44
  do what my husband wants me to do.
• 49:47
  And so now you're standing up to that, but you feel guilty.
• 49:51
  And I said you have to be careful because guilt will
• 49:53
  destroy your gallbladder. And she goes, and I said, what's
• 49:56
  the matter? And she said, I had my
• 49:57
  gallbladder taken out last month.
• 50:00
  And I said, well, the the gallbladder's gone now.
• 50:03
  That negative guilt energy is going to go to another part of
• 50:06
  your body, and we have to get rid of that.
• 50:08
  So now let's talk about an example of just how you do this.
• 50:13
  So let's label the guilt. OK?
• 50:14
  It's guilt. Do you understand the get?
• 50:16
  Yes, I see how it's guilt, but I don't know how to get rid of it.
• 50:19
  I said let's, what is this guilt program about?
• 50:23
  What is it? Tell me what it is that you feel
• 50:25
  guilty about. Well, I didn't go deer hunting.
• 50:28
  OK, Didn't go deer hunting. Let's go down.
• 50:30
  But what does Deer hunting. Oh, well, you know, I'm supposed
• 50:34
  to support my husband. Well, you know, I'm supposed to
• 50:39
  do what he wants to do. I mean, so you, you know, define
• 50:42
  the program. Now we've got to, you can't
• 50:46
  ignore the program. You can't push that program.
• 50:49
  We have to give that program love.
• 50:51
  We have to dematerialize that energy.
• 50:54
  So there's several ways you got to get rid of that program.
• 50:57
  It's a, it's literally a like a software program Iris.
• 51:02
  And we have to hit the delete button and get it out of
• 51:05
  cellular memory. So if it's a, if it's not too
• 51:10
  deep a program, you can do it through repetition, you know,
• 51:16
  you know, positive affirmation. I, you know, I am free of deer
• 51:22
  hunting or I am supporting my husband in multiple ways, you
• 51:27
  know, So whatever that affirmation is, I am strong, I
• 51:30
  am loved, I am healthy, I'm safe and secure.
• 51:34
  Those are good. I am affirmations.
• 51:37
  The affirmation must be present tense.
• 51:40
  You know it's not. I will not.
• 51:42
  I should. You know I am strong.
• 51:45
  I stand in my power. All right, You know that's a
• 51:47
  really good one. Then you recognize I stand in my
• 51:50
  power. I speak my truth, right?
• 51:53
  That has nothing to do with deer hunting, right?
• 51:56
  I stand in my power. I speak my truth.
• 51:58
  Holy mackerel. There's going to be a bunch of
• 52:00
  other faulty programs that that affirmation is deleting now.
• 52:06
  So that's a simple one, like a simple program right now,
• 52:11
  because that was so much guilt. This is probably much deeper.
• 52:15
  It may go back generations. So if that doesn't work, then I
• 52:23
  usually have to do a regression. OK.
• 52:26
  And so a regression is a hip, you know, hypnotic, you know,
• 52:30
  state where we go back to, you know, we take them back to the
• 52:35
  root of where this program came from, which could be long time
• 52:40
  ago, could be thousands of years ago, you know, and we basically
• 52:45
  relive the implementation of that program in a regression.
• 52:49
  And we forgive. We give the person love, we give
• 52:52
  the person hug, you know, and we we let it go.
• 52:56
  Yeah. And what's what's an example of
• 52:58
  that from one of your customers in terms?
• 53:00
  Of well, actually, you know, one of the absolute most powerful
• 53:03
  ones is a man who's Jewish and he's a highly successful, you
• 53:11
  know, ultra high net worth, but he's never owned his own house.
• 53:15
  He doesn't think that he, he thinks I have to work.
• 53:18
  I have to work. I'm, I'm not good.
• 53:23
  And so during that regression, he goes all the way back to
• 53:28
  building the pyramids and being a slave in Egypt and the guys
• 53:32
  whipping them saying get back to work.
• 53:34
  The things that are coming out of his mouth right now, whether
• 53:37
  you believe in past life regressions where whatever you
• 53:41
  believe, it doesn't matter. It's a belief in his
• 53:45
  programming. So, so the things that are
• 53:50
  coming out of his mouth right now are the things he's saying
• 53:54
  that this guy who's whipping him as a slave, you know, you're
• 53:58
  worthless. You have to get back to work.
• 54:00
  And so we take him over to that person and we say, I am worthy
• 54:06
  and I forgive you for doing this to me.
• 54:10
  And in the memory, in this regression, the guy stops, The
• 54:14
  guy starts crying and he gives him a hug and he says, you know,
• 54:18
  I don't accept this anymore. I am free on.
• 54:21
  And boom, we come out of the regression and his life's
• 54:24
  completely. Changed.
• 54:26
  I want to just mention four books for the listener.
• 54:30
  So the first two I'll say, are many lives Mini Masters.
• 54:34
  Yeah, we talked about that on our last episode with Doctor
• 54:37
  Brian Wright Wise also Journey of Souls by Michael Newton.
• 54:43
  So these are really good yeah on understanding past lives and
• 54:48
  understanding how the reincarnation process works,
• 54:51
  understanding how to alleviate suffering from that for.
• 54:53
  As scientists, doctors, you know, Yale graduates, I forget
• 54:58
  where Doctor Newton is from, who do regression therapy.
• 55:02
  And dozens of people, dozens of countries, all continents around
• 55:07
  the world, the same message. See, I that was part of what
• 55:11
  gave me a lot of credibility. And I just want to reinforce.
• 55:14
  Yeah. Why?
• 55:15
  As a left brain, nuclear engineer, Naval Academy
• 55:17
  graduate, CEO, All right, I believe in reincarnation.
• 55:21
  Oh, I. Definitely believe in
• 55:22
  reincarnation. I know, I know reincarnation is
• 55:25
  true. The the second the second two
• 55:28
  books I just want to recommend. I've covered these on the
• 55:32
  podcast before. Just to reinforce Awareness by
• 55:35
  Anthony D'mello is all about deprogramming.
• 55:38
  It's about waking up, realizing the programs installed and how
• 55:41
  to how to deprogram. And then Doctor Joe Dispenza, he
• 55:47
  has lots of books, but one of his books is called Breaking the
• 55:52
  Habit of Being Yourself. And it's all about
• 55:55
  manifestation, realizing the programming you have through
• 55:58
  meditation, and then manifesting the outcome you want.
• 56:02
  Which actually all this out of a fifth book has great
• 56:06
  synchronicity with Into the Magic Shop by James Doughty.
• 56:10
  Oh, I haven't. Heard that.
• 56:11
  Oh my gosh, it's so good. You have to read that book.
• 56:14
  Listen to it on audible. Honestly, you know when you're
• 56:17
  on your way back, you can like your book and and audible 11
• 56:21
  days in May. You can hear his tears as he
• 56:25
  reads it. He has a horrible childhood,
• 56:28
  really traumatic childhood and this.
• 56:31
  One was a common pattern. You know all teachers, you know
• 56:35
  authors, healers. Yeah, they heal it.
• 56:37
  And then? Yeah, I felt, I felt very
• 56:40
  thankful that that, that, that, that I didn't have that I I
• 56:43
  definitely, I had, I had very little trauma from family.
• 56:48
  I had, I had some trauma from school and stuff like that.
• 56:51
  But it doesn't matter. It's like, I've healed from all
• 56:53
  that. But but the this this book, he
• 56:58
  is really suffering. He's 12 years old.
• 57:02
  He goes into a magic shop. And the owner of the magic shop
• 57:06
  is this guy named Neil. And Neil's mom happens to be in
• 57:09
  town and her name is Ruth. And Ruth sees him and sees a
• 57:14
  spark in his eyes. And she's like, look, I can't
• 57:17
  teach you these tricks. I'm not into these tricks, but
• 57:21
  if you want to learn real magic, I can teach you real magic and
• 57:24
  it'll change the rest of your life.
• 57:26
  But she's like, I'll need you to be diligent.
• 57:28
  I'll need you to come in every weekend.
• 57:29
  I'll need you to practice every day of the week.
• 57:31
  Can you commit to that? And he's like, what's happening?
• 57:33
  Am I about to get killed or whatever?
• 57:35
  Yes. He's like, you know, in a
• 57:36
  fearful state of this because his his, you know, his dad is
• 57:39
  like a chronic alcoholic, beats his mom.
• 57:42
  I mean, he's just seeing horrible things all the time.
• 57:45
  And his reality, you know, real suffering.
• 57:47
  His dad can't keep a job, food stamps and just the whole thing.
• 57:51
  And, and so he takes a leap of faith.
• 57:54
  He believes in her. She teaches him how to meditate.
• 57:58
  She teaches him how to open his heart.
• 58:00
  She teaches them how to manifest what he wants.
• 58:04
  And all of his dreams come true in his life from that point on.
• 58:09
  But he finds a lot of hard lessons along the way when he
• 58:12
  didn't lead from the heart. So it's it's really, really
• 58:15
  good. It resulted in him, if you read
• 58:18
  his bio and this is not giving away anything in the book, but
• 58:21
  it resulted in him Co founding the center with the Dalai Lama
• 58:24
  at Stanford University. It's great.
• 58:27
  I was going to have him on the podcast, but unfortunately
• 58:29
  passed away in July this year. I didn't know that I got to I
• 58:33
  got to the book too late. And but he he he amazing book.
• 58:38
  It's a four and a half hour Audible and he literally is
• 58:41
  crying in several parts. You can hear it.
• 58:43
  You, you know, in all of the interviews, hundreds and
• 58:47
  hundreds, you know, radio, television, podcasts, people ask
• 58:53
  me what would I tell my younger self or what is the best piece
• 58:57
  of advice? And the answer is to follow your
• 59:02
  heart. And I have found it very hard
• 59:07
  for the majority of my life to follow my heart because I felt
• 59:11
  unlovable, that unworthy, unlovable that that was my we
• 59:16
  talked about that yesterday, the family history, wounds beaten,
• 59:19
  abused, you know, never told I was loved other than after I was
• 59:23
  beaten. You know, what kind of
• 59:26
  reinforcement was that Right. So but, but what I discovered,
• 59:30
  we live life going forward, but we learn in reverse and in
• 59:34
  reflection, year after year, decade after decade.
• 59:38
  At the last 25 years, it's just been reinforced and reinforced.
• 59:42
  The best things that have ever happened to me in my life, the
• 59:46
  most prosperous things that have ever happened to me, the most
• 59:49
  healthiest things have always been when I followed my heart.
• 59:54
  Yes, yeah, I can definitely say that too.
• 59:57
  I'll give you, I'll give you 1 very personal example for, for
• 1:00:01
  me, I, I am a capitalist, right? I've been a capitalist for,
• 1:00:06
  since I was really 24, you know, I became, became an entrepreneur
• 1:00:11
  and I'm 53 now. Core metrics, which, which was
• 1:00:17
  my first company, I raised money for, I bootstrapped my first
• 1:00:20
  three companies. They were all profitable and and
• 1:00:22
  all moderately successful. But core metrics was one, was
• 1:00:27
  the big idea. We were going to provide
• 1:00:29
  analytics to all the e-commerce sites who were really suffering
• 1:00:33
  by not knowing what was happening within their business.
• 1:00:36
  That actually led to the.com bust.
• 1:00:37
  By the way, we kind of came too late because I launched the
• 1:00:40
  business in 1999 and then the.com bubble burst.
• 1:00:45
  It led to a lot of suffering for me because here I was being
• 1:00:51
  praised all over the place. I had a great team, amazing
• 1:00:55
  team. This billionaire was an investor
• 1:00:58
  in US. He was like, wow, you're going
• 1:00:59
  to become a billionaire or this going to be over a billion
• 1:01:02
  dollar outcome from this business.
• 1:01:04
  I had an offer to sell the company for 200 million.
• 1:01:07
  It was less than a year old. I would have made a ton of money
• 1:01:11
  at a very young age. Would have been very bad for me
• 1:01:13
  in hindsight because I didn't know what I was doing at all.
• 1:01:17
  And I and, and I was on with Bongsaw, who was my board member
• 1:01:21
  at the time. And he's like, Brett, why are
• 1:01:23
  you really doing this? Why are you doing core metrics?
• 1:01:26
  I said, well, I love it. He's like, well, don't sell it
• 1:01:29
  if you love it, like follow your heart.
• 1:01:31
  And so I didn't sell it. But then the.com bust happened.
• 1:01:34
  We went from 100 customers down to three because 97 of our
• 1:01:38
  customers went out of business. Our customers loved us, but we
• 1:01:41
  were too late for them because they had an unsustainable
• 1:01:45
  business model. It's like a House of Cards.
• 1:01:49
  And we got down to a week of cash in the bank.
• 1:01:53
  OK and and I was laying awake with Deborah and we lived in San
• 1:01:57
  Francisco at the time in the Marina.
• 1:02:00
  Beautiful, beautiful place that, but we're just renting and, and
• 1:02:06
  I said, well, this is it, you know, it's all over, you know,
• 1:02:10
  and I was crying and I don't think she had tears because
• 1:02:13
  Deborah's like really strong. But that's, that's probably a
• 1:02:17
  bad way to say it because, you know, if you have tears, you
• 1:02:19
  can, you can still be very strong.
• 1:02:22
  But she, she, I don't think she had tears, but she was very, she
• 1:02:24
  was very, very empathetic and very loving and, and, you know,
• 1:02:28
  she is my soul mate and she was really comforting me.
• 1:02:31
  And we went to sleep about 2:00 AM, woke up at at 6:00 AM and I
• 1:02:37
  had a smile on my face and she was like, why are you smiling?
• 1:02:41
  And I said because I know in my heart that I would do it all
• 1:02:46
  over again. I know that about myself and I
• 1:02:49
  am at peace. And that gave me the Rocky
• 1:02:53
  Balboa eye of the Tiger to go into Arthur Patterson's office
• 1:02:57
  who is a Co founder of Excel. You know, shout out to him if
• 1:03:01
  he's watching this. He's been amazing mentor for me
• 1:03:04
  and he said I'm going to do something nobody else is doing
• 1:03:07
  right now. He's like, I'm going to write a
• 1:03:09
  $40 million check. You're going to be one of the
• 1:03:11
  survivors. I believe in you and there's no
• 1:03:15
  doubt you're going to be successful with this.
• 1:03:16
  And we eventually had a $300 million outcome at core metrics
• 1:03:20
  and IBM bought it. But I had to allow love to
• 1:03:24
  conquer my fear. How easy would it have been I?
• 1:03:27
  Felt that I I was crying. Oh well, thank you.
• 1:03:30
  No, I mean no, but that, you know, pay attention to your
• 1:03:33
  bodies, folks. You feel these things, but but
• 1:03:36
  if you're not mindful and you're not present, all right, you miss
• 1:03:41
  it all. So that actually at some point
• 1:03:43
  in time, we should talk about that because all of these things
• 1:03:45
  that we're talking about, you must be mindful to recognize
• 1:03:50
  what your body is saying, what your heart is saying.
• 1:03:53
  You must be mindful to recognize that to to shift from fear to
• 1:03:58
  love, you know, and you have to be present to follow the signs,
• 1:04:03
  present to see the, the, the the you know, to hear the, the Angel
• 1:04:08
  whisper or whatever it might be. But it but I but I don't tell.
• 1:04:11
  I mean, I want to make the point to the listener here.
• 1:04:14
  I don't tell the story as a kind of like, Hey, look at me.
• 1:04:18
  I I want, I want them to know I really feel their pain and
• 1:04:23
  moments like that. And what I want them to realize
• 1:04:26
  is that A, they're loved and B, they can conquer that fear.
• 1:04:31
  Because it would have been very easy for me to do the normal
• 1:04:35
  thing in that situation, go curl up into a ball and just cry for
• 1:04:39
  the next week. And then the whole company would
• 1:04:40
  have gone out of business and. It doesn't matter whether no I
• 1:04:43
  the company or your job or fail. I mean, there's rice millions,
• 1:04:46
  there's millions of people in this situation right now.
• 1:04:49
  Exactly. There's there's so many
• 1:04:51
  situations where you can choose to just feel like I'm a victim
• 1:04:56
  of the circumstance, like I didn't createthe.com bust, you
• 1:04:59
  know, etcetera, etcetera. And I could have just acted with
• 1:05:02
  no agency and just curled up in a ball.
• 1:05:05
  And you know, Deborah and I are investors in 149 startups who've
• 1:05:09
  been doing it for over 15 years. And one of the things I've
• 1:05:12
  noticed is when the when the entrepreneur stops communicating
• 1:05:17
  about the health of the business, it is almost always a
• 1:05:20
  very, very bad thing. It's almost never because things
• 1:05:23
  are taking off to the point where they're too busy because
• 1:05:26
  it's like they're just like fulfilling orders and they're
• 1:05:29
  hiring so much that they don't have time to communicate with
• 1:05:31
  investors. That happens sometimes.
• 1:05:33
  Very, very rare. Most of the time it's because
• 1:05:36
  they're crawled up in a bunker fine.
• 1:05:38
  And I and that's when I reach out and I'm like, Hey, this is
• 1:05:41
  the time where I could help you the most.
• 1:05:44
  You know, I've been in your shoes.
• 1:05:46
  And I only say that to to say that people listening to this,
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  find a way to conquer that in inside of yourself.
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  For me, you know, lots of breeding has helped a lot of lot
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  of breeding has helped me. You know, listening to podcasts
• 1:06:04
  like this one, the type of conversation we're having may
• 1:06:06
  help them if if they feel so-called and they do it in a
• 1:06:10
  super safe environment, maybe psychedelics is the catalyst for
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  them. You know, maybe meditation is
• 1:06:16
  the catalyst for them. Whatever it is like find a way
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  to find the Kingdom of God within you.
• 1:06:23
  That's the mantra for Christianity.
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  The Kingdom of God is within you.
• 1:06:28
  Find a way to have a communion because your soul has no
• 1:06:33
  material desire, is only filled with love.
• 1:06:36
  It lives in the light Kingdom where there is nothing but love.
• 1:06:41
  And find a way to have that communion because it'll give you
• 1:06:44
  unlimited power if you do. You know, as you were talking, I
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  was drifting off and and thinking about various times in
• 1:06:52
  my life where things didn't go well and I could have gone down
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  into that abyss. For example, graduating from
• 1:07:03
  high school, I applied to the Naval Academy.
• 1:07:06
  It's the only school I applied to, and I didn't get a
• 1:07:09
  nomination from a congressman or senator.
• 1:07:12
  And so my guidance counselor brought me in and he said, what
• 1:07:16
  are you going to do? I said, I'm going to the Naval
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  Academy. He said, you didn't get a
• 1:07:20
  nomination, you're not going. I said no, I'm going to the
• 1:07:23
  Naval Academy. And he goes, how are you going
• 1:07:26
  to do that? I said, I have no idea.
• 1:07:29
  How else can I do that? He said, well, do you know the
• 1:07:31
  president? I said no, Do you know the vice
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  president? I said no, because they could
• 1:07:35
  give you nominations. And he said, do you know the
• 1:07:37
  secretary of the Navy? I said, wait, he goes, what?
• 1:07:40
  You know that him, her? I said no, but that sounds like
• 1:07:44
  somebody I could get to know. And he goes, the only way you
• 1:07:47
  can get a nomination from sick NAV is if you're an enlisted
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  person in the Navy and you apply to the Secretary of Navy.
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  I said, that's what I'm going to do.
• 1:07:57
  He goes, what? I said I'm going to enlist in
• 1:07:59
  the Navy. He goes, you're going to enlist
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  in the Navy as a seaman. I said yes.
• 1:08:04
  And I did like a week later, 1976 seaman E, $160.00 a month,
• 1:08:12
  You know, nine months later, I was going to the Naval Academy.
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  I, I enlisted, went to boot camp, you know, asked the
• 1:08:20
  secretary of the Navy too, you know, give me a nomination.
• 1:08:24
  And it did right. And I can honestly tell you
• 1:08:28
  there was never any fear. There were.
• 1:08:31
  I've never, I mean, I, I was reflecting on this, thinking
• 1:08:35
  about you like I was never afraid.
• 1:08:38
  I was never I why? I just always believed in
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  myself. I was just positive.
• 1:08:45
  On on. And you had every reason to be
• 1:08:46
  negative with your childhood. Right, right.
• 1:08:49
  You know, And so then I was thinking of all the times people
• 1:08:51
  told me I was an idiot to make a game or to try to launch $100
• 1:08:56
  million consulting company and do it in two years.
• 1:08:59
  I said and I if there's some inspiration, there's some
• 1:09:06
  energy, there's some something in your being where you believe
• 1:09:11
  and you have faith and it happens.
• 1:09:13
  And I would encourage people to get that now that.
• 1:09:16
  Doesn't I would, I would say that everybody actually has
• 1:09:18
  that. Everybody has, yeah.
• 1:09:20
  So we really need to make that point because there's a.
• 1:09:22
  Spark. Everybody has that spark.
• 1:09:24
  They've got to find it. But but we've always had these
• 1:09:26
  times where I'm down a certain like, you know, I've been
• 1:09:28
  depressed. I mean, I've been seriously
• 1:09:31
  depressed from my neck injury or, or losing money.
• 1:09:35
  You mentioned that when Shearson Lehman went and I have nodded
• 1:09:38
  because I lost a lot of money when Shearson Lehman, like all
• 1:09:41
  my money was wiped out because I had it in a money market account
• 1:09:46
  and it disappeared. You know, one of the things that
• 1:09:49
  I love about the original Rocky movie is that he allows love to
• 1:09:54
  conquer fear within himself. He takes on the Titan of boxing.
• 1:09:59
  You know, he's just going to pummel him.
• 1:10:01
  And the movie ends with him losing, but he wins the hearts
• 1:10:08
  of everybody because they see in him themselves and they're like,
• 1:10:13
  wow, here's a nobody quote UN quote who went on against the
• 1:10:18
  Titan of boxing. I'm getting chills all over the
• 1:10:21
  place. One of my favorite movies of all
• 1:10:22
  time. And he he manifest love in
• 1:10:26
  himself in a horrible life circumstance.
• 1:10:30
  And he goes on and takes on the Titan of boxing and he almost
• 1:10:34
  wins, right? But he doesn't win.
• 1:10:36
  There's so many beautiful lessons in that, you know,
• 1:10:40
  because he wins without winning. Does that make sense?
• 1:10:43
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. But now I'm taking this whole
• 1:10:46
  love fear thing 1 notch higher and thinking of you, You loved
• 1:10:49
  program. You know, I love math.
• 1:10:52
  I love, I still love everything. My whole life, I was telling our
• 1:10:56
  videography here, even though I've had four or five careers,
• 1:11:00
  it's always been about energy, whether it was nuclear, oil and
• 1:11:04
  gas. And then the essence of life is
• 1:11:07
  energy and then spiritual energy and what that means, and then
• 1:11:11
  wounded energy and fear energy and love energy.
• 1:11:14
  And then, you know, being in my mid 50s before I realized all
• 1:11:20
  the way back row, the most powerful energetic force is
• 1:11:24
  love. Like, how did that happen?
• 1:11:27
  All right, You know, but the things you did and I did that
• 1:11:32
  made us successful, It was my love for country and my love for
• 1:11:39
  the Navy. That's what I loved, you know,
• 1:11:42
  and I wanted to fence. I loved fencing and boxing and I
• 1:11:46
  wanted to do that at the Naval Academy and I wanted to sail at
• 1:11:49
  the Naval Academy. It wasn't title, prestige,
• 1:11:54
  reputation that those thoughts never.
• 1:11:56
  In all of the times I've done something that I love, it was
• 1:12:00
  never about the title, money or position.
• 1:12:03
  And when it was, when my motivation was about the title
• 1:12:07
  money, stock options or position, it always turned out
• 1:12:11
  bad. Always.
• 1:12:12
  Yeah, Yeah, I can. I can, I can definitely relate
• 1:12:15
  to that. So let's let's close this out
• 1:12:18
  and talk about something that we mutually love, which is do more
• 1:12:21
  good. And let's talk about the do more
• 1:12:24
  good organization that you're now executive director of.
• 1:12:29
  Let's talk about the conference coming up.
• 1:12:32
  Oh yeah. That's where we yeah, isn't.
• 1:12:34
  That's where we release love, Conquer, fear of the book.
• 1:12:36
  Because that's so this whole time we've been talking about me
• 1:12:39
  and the Messenger Institute and 11 days in May which.
• 1:12:43
  Makes sense because you're you're the guest on my podcast
• 1:12:46
  so I want. People to know that what brought
• 1:12:48
  us together is do More Good, which is a nonprofit based out
• 1:12:52
  of Lincoln, NE the and I'm now the executive director, still
• 1:12:57
  doing my personal stuff, but but I took on this role because the
• 1:13:03
  do More Good movement's mission and purpose is to educate,
• 1:13:08
  empower and amplify purpose driven people who are doing
• 1:13:13
  good, which for the most part, you know, sure, it could be a
• 1:13:16
  nonprofit, but for the most part, it's entrepreneurs who
• 1:13:21
  recognize that business can be a force for good.
• 1:13:24
  That the purpose of a business is not to make money.
• 1:13:27
  That's an outcome. And that outcome is when a
• 1:13:32
  business serves its people, community, society, the world,
• 1:13:38
  and it does so in a wonderful way by adding value, then the
• 1:13:44
  outcome is great and the company does better.
• 1:13:47
  And in fact, in the research from the book Firms of
• 1:13:52
  Endearment, they the Co. Written by Raj Sotia, who's a
• 1:13:56
  good friend of. Mine right, right.
• 1:13:58
  I was on the board of conscious scalpelism.
• 1:14:00
  Right. Those companies, those firms of
• 1:14:02
  endearment that embrace kindness, love, value added
• 1:14:05
  society, they have a 1700% greater return on investment
• 1:14:10
  than the average S&P 500 company.
• 1:14:13
  And you know more. I mean, I've read it, you've
• 1:14:15
  been a part of it. And so the founder of Do More
• 1:14:20
  Good, Jay Wilkinson connected us.
• 1:14:22
  And then the rest is. That's how we met, yeah, that's
• 1:14:24
  how we. He was the one that recommended
• 1:14:26
  your book to me and then connected us and we talked about
• 1:14:29
  that on the last episode. But in a huge shout out to him,
• 1:14:33
  he's a beautiful human being and and.
• 1:14:35
  Really really appreciate wonderful person the love you
• 1:14:38
  Mary Ellstein take balanced. Person yes, for sure and so so
• 1:14:43
  do we do you want to talk about the conference Yeah, coming out
• 1:14:45
  so because by the time people see this they have plenty of
• 1:14:48
  time to. Register Do More Good as a
• 1:14:49
  publishing arm and we're looking for people like him.
• 1:14:53
  And lo and behold, you know, this man's got this book about
• 1:14:56
  love conquering fear. And so the Do More Good imprint
• 1:15:01
  will publish your book and we've asked you and you've kindly
• 1:15:04
  accepted to be a speaker at the 2026 ROI of Y conference and.
• 1:15:10
  Which the whole thematic is. Well, the whole theme is love
• 1:15:13
  conquering fear, Together we rise.
• 1:15:16
  So we're like super excited to have you there and an enemy of
• 1:15:20
  your friends. So you can
• 1:15:21
  register@domoregood.com and, you know, buy your early bird
• 1:15:25
  tickets, which are like half the price.
• 1:15:27
  But you know, we don't actually have these speakers published
• 1:15:32
  yet. That'll probably be a week or
• 1:15:33
  two out from now. And we've got workshops and you
• 1:15:38
  know, we've, we have a Constellation Lab program to
• 1:15:41
  sponsor emerging leaders, startup entrepreneurs or
• 1:15:45
  businesses. And so we're excited about that.
• 1:15:48
  But anyway. I'm bringing all types of
• 1:15:49
  friends to this. Yeah, this is this is going to
• 1:15:52
  be, it's going to be a great event.
• 1:15:54
  Yeah, we're talking about yesterday, you know, episode 9
• 1:15:58
  with Lauren and John of Evolve, and we're definitely inviting
• 1:16:01
  them. Oh, great.
• 1:16:02
  Inviting all types of people who are really part of that
• 1:16:07
  manifestation of love. Conquering fear, whether it's
• 1:16:10
  consciousness, technology, whether it's technology that
• 1:16:14
  really helps people overcome fears, you know, all of the
• 1:16:20
  things that are manifesting with AI that are not good.
• 1:16:23
  There are some not good. Things that we inspiration right
• 1:16:26
  now is, well, first of all, we're going to have a book
• 1:16:28
  section because we got a lot of authors coming, but we should
• 1:16:31
  have like, I don't want to say booths, but we we need to do
• 1:16:36
  something. Well, we've never done that,
• 1:16:38
  Spotlight. We definitely no, we have, we
• 1:16:40
  have to have that. I mean, I mean, honestly, like
• 1:16:43
  if you had been in this room when John and Lauren did the the
• 1:16:47
  demo of Evolve, where I did it, Deborah did it, Mark Gobert did
• 1:16:51
  it, it was projected on that screen.
• 1:16:56
  It was absolutely beautiful. Like it immediately took me into
• 1:17:01
  such a deep state of relaxation, like far deeper than a regular
• 1:17:05
  meditation because it's measuring all my brain waves and
• 1:17:09
  it's taking me there and coaching me how to go.
• 1:17:11
  There, I can't wait to. Do that.
• 1:17:12
  It's so cool. Yeah, you have to next time
• 1:17:14
  you're in town. Let's do that, yeah.
• 1:17:16
  Yeah, but I love you brother. I really appreciate it's been
• 1:17:20
  you and and the more we do this, the more we've got the we're
• 1:17:23
  just getting. Started.
• 1:17:24
  This keeps going up. We're just getting started.
• 1:17:26
  Yeah, I'm playing this. This is not, you know,
• 1:17:29
  choreographed. If you if you can feel the
• 1:17:32
  energy level in this room, let's just say the the roof's about to
• 1:17:36
  blow off here. Well thanks again everybody body
• 1:17:39
  for tuning in to Love Conquers Fear.
• 1:17:42
  I am completely booked through the end of the year with amazing
• 1:17:47
  guest, amazing spiritual teachers, amazing entrepreneurs,
• 1:17:51
  amazing investors. So stay tuned there is a lot
• 1:17:56
  coming up. As you all know this is my love
• 1:18:00
  letter to humanity. There are no ads on here.
• 1:18:04
  And I'm just doing this for impact, really.
• 1:18:07
  Team humanity all the way. It's going to take us all.
• 1:18:11
  And Speaking of love is letting go of fear now.
• 1:18:16
  We really covered that well in this episode.
• 1:18:20
  And it is a tall order. You know, you think about all of
• 1:18:25
  the things coming our way in this world of form, as JD would
• 1:18:31
  call it. You know, Jason Carp in Episode
• 1:18:35
  3 talking about all the toxins that are being put in our food.
• 1:18:41
  You know, I attend Ted every year.
• 1:18:44
  And Angus Hervey has a great, great talk that he's given the
• 1:18:50
  last three years at Ted about how we deprogram with the media
• 1:18:55
  onslaught that we're getting, the constant barrage of negative
• 1:19:01
  dystopia. And if you tune in to fix the
• 1:19:04
  news, which he runs, it will transform you.
• 1:19:08
  It'll conquer some of your fears.
• 1:19:11
  You'll be able to see the beautiful things happening
• 1:19:14
  throughout the world every day, the amazing scientific
• 1:19:18
  breakthroughs. And huge shout out to my friend
• 1:19:21
  Zachary Carabel. Zachary runs the Progress
• 1:19:25
  Network as a nonprofit. That's another alternative to
• 1:19:30
  deprogram and reprogram. With all of the positivity
• 1:19:35
  that's happening, you know, we live in a place where we really
• 1:19:40
  are getting an onslaught of all of this negativity, and we have
• 1:19:46
  to conquer that ourselves. It's almost like Neo in the
• 1:19:50
  Matrix, you know, stopping the bullets.
• 1:19:53
  And if we all do that and we all lead with love and we have
• 1:19:59
  leaders have that heart shift that's required, then we're
• 1:20:03
  going to make it. You know, I'll be 100% positive
• 1:20:06
  when we get to that point that we're going to make it to the
• 1:20:10
  age of abundance for all. Thank you all again for your
• 1:20:14
  shares. I really appreciate it.
• 1:20:17
  And wow, this episode with JD we did our first two parter in
• 1:20:22
  history. And it was just a blast.
• 1:20:26
  So again, much gratitude and thanks again to JD for being on
• 1:20:32
  2 episodes of Love Conquers Fear and for publishing my upcoming
• 1:20:37
  book, Love Conquers Fear, Humanity, AI, and the Age of
• 1:20:42
  Abundance for All. Thank you.