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Ari Temkin on Brendan Sorsby becoming eligible for the 2026 season, Texas Tech the villains of college football + more · The Sean O'Connell Show

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  Speaker 2: Welcome back to the Shawn O'Connell show. Welcome in our
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  Speaker 2: good friend Ari Timkin, Big twelve Today, tune in radio,
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  Speaker 2: all right, welcome. How are you, sir?
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  Speaker 3: I'm great? What's supposed see? How you been?
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  Speaker 2: You know, really good, really good. Excited that we'll be
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  Speaker 2: on a more regular conversation basis again with football approaching rapidly.
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  Speaker 2: Anything interesting happening in the Big twelve world these days.
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  Speaker 3: No, I can't thank of it. Really. I planned my
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  Speaker 3: summer vacation very well because I was in Maine for
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  Speaker 3: five days and I was on a flight yesterday coming home.
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  Speaker 3: So really worked out for me in terms of this
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  Speaker 3: news cycle.
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  Speaker 2: So obviously, Brendan Soorsby granted an injunction that will allow
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  Speaker 2: him to be eligible for this year to play a
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  Speaker 2: quarterback at Texas Tech. And I've ridden this roller coaster
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  Speaker 2: of like incredulous outrage to acceptance. I've gone through all
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  Speaker 2: the stages of grief, And now I've settled ari on.
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  Speaker 2: You know what, I actually, I actually want everyone to
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  Speaker 2: now give Texas Tech exactly what they're asking for. I
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  Speaker 2: want Texas Tech to be allowed to play their full
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  Speaker 2: schedule with Brendan Soresby as their starting quarterback, even if
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  Speaker 2: he maintains that position when Will Hammon comes back. And
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  Speaker 2: my only demand is that they they be forced to
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  Speaker 2: taste the medicine that they're giving themselves. I don't want
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  Speaker 2: them to be protected. I don't want the referees to
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  Speaker 2: give go into every opposing locker room and say, hey,
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  Speaker 2: just so you know, we're gonna give you know, we're
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  Speaker 2: watching extra close. If you guys are gonna be cheap
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  Speaker 2: shotting Brandon stores b. I don't want anyone saying, hey, guys,
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  Speaker 2: I don't want any bad words coming from the stands
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  Speaker 2: if Texas Tech is playing at your stadium. Like I've
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  Speaker 2: settled on, I want Texas Tech to be given the
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  Speaker 2: opportunity to bathe in this muck that they decided to
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  Speaker 2: rake up for all of us.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean this is their bed. Now they've got
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  Speaker 3: to lie in it, right sure? Yeah? And you know, look,
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  Speaker 3: I'm I'm probably far more on the other side than
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  Speaker 3: most people, you know, I think we live in a
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  Speaker 3: day and age in college football where nobody's following the rules,
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  Speaker 3: and that obviously has been the case for a long time,
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  Speaker 3: but now they're they're they're way more wide open about it.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, even so much as a few weeks ago,
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  Speaker 3: you have you know, the athletic director at Georgia and
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  Speaker 3: the president of Georgia basically saying like, yeah, we made
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  Speaker 3: these promises to commitments in the transfer portal. And since
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  Speaker 3: the CSC has basically declined to say these are not
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  Speaker 3: legitimate and il deals, we're still gonna go ahead and
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  Speaker 3: do these and not really care what you think. Now. Granted,
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  Speaker 3: I get these are two different things, and I get
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  Speaker 3: that the word gambling in sports creates these, you know,
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  Speaker 3: horribly negative emotions. But at the end of the day,
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  Speaker 3: right now, nobody is following any rules in college football
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  Speaker 3: because as far as the NCAA's ability to govern, there
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  Speaker 3: are no rules, and so this is the standard. And look,
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  Speaker 3: I mean, I think there are probably a lot of
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  Speaker 3: people that agree with you in terms of like, all right,
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  Speaker 3: take your medicine now, and let's see how good you are.
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  Speaker 3: And for Soresby. You know, I've been saying throughout OC
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  Speaker 3: that I thought that this was going to be the
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  Speaker 3: end result here. I'm not surprised at all. I said
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  Speaker 3: for months now, as we've been doing our off Seaton
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  Speaker 3: previews that I've included sores being on it, and I
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  Speaker 3: think he's going to play, and I maintained that. But
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  Speaker 3: I also don't know that they or he are prepared
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  Speaker 3: for the media storm that is engulfing them right now
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  Speaker 3: and will continue to over the course of the season.
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  Speaker 2: If you're Will Hammond, how are you How are you
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  Speaker 2: supposed to just ride this out? Your university has chosen,
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  Speaker 2: because of your injury and maybe a little bit of
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  Speaker 2: doubt about how quickly you can be back. Your university
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  Speaker 2: has decided to make themselves public enemy number one in
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  Speaker 2: college sports, in college football, so that Brendan Soresby can play.
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  Speaker 2: He has never played it down for your university. He
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  Speaker 2: became a Texas Tech Red Raider like ten minutes ago,
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  Speaker 2: and you're the backup for now. But you're a guy
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  Speaker 2: who's played impressively one games for Texas Tech. And rather
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  Speaker 2: than like, I don't know, give you four weeks to
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  Speaker 2: get healthy of four weeks of actual game plague say
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  Speaker 2: to get healthy. They're like, no, instead, let's just die
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  Speaker 2: on this hill.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a great question. I think there's you know,
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  Speaker 3: maybe not as much internal strife as we might think
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  Speaker 3: there is because of the head of the Snake here
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  Speaker 3: and Joy McGuire and the head of the program, and
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  Speaker 3: you know the fact that Hammond, who you know, I
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  Speaker 3: would imagine has had opportunities to leave, hasn't. I think
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  Speaker 3: so a lot about the culture in a world in
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  Speaker 3: which only one quarterback can play, and so so many
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  Speaker 3: quarterbacks transfer out for the option to play. You know,
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  Speaker 3: Hammond has over the last couple of years shown you know,
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  Speaker 3: pretty high level of ability, and I think for Tech fans,
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  Speaker 3: they like to see more of it. You know, if
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  Speaker 3: he doesn't tear his ACL it would have been very
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  Speaker 3: very interesting to see what decisions the Texas Tech Red
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  Speaker 3: Raiders would have made this off season. You know, Joey
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  Speaker 3: McGuire maintains that that's the biggest reason when we asked
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  Speaker 3: him this off season that they you know, recruited source
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  Speaker 3: by was because they just didn't feel confident in Will
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  Speaker 3: Hammon's ability to go following the staceyl Tare and that
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  Speaker 3: they would rather take it slowly, let him, you know, develop,
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  Speaker 3: let him get healthy, and go to Soorsby instead. The
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  Speaker 3: reality is Soorsby was the most sought after player in
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  Speaker 3: the portal. Chris Hummer and April reported that LSU, Indiana,
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  Speaker 3: Miami were all in on Soresby. And in a world
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  Speaker 3: in which, you know, Sam Levi that is getting a
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  Speaker 3: ton of money and Mensa is getting a ton of money,
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  Speaker 3: and we see the kind of quarterback money that's out
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  Speaker 3: there and available, you know, it's it's really intriguing that
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  Speaker 3: Soorsby was the main guy that everybody seemed to want,
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  Speaker 3: despite kind of what we've seen from him in two
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  Speaker 3: years at Cincinnati. So yeah, I mean, it's a great question.
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  Speaker 3: It's funny because I feel like I've heard very little
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  Speaker 3: about the Will Hammond aspect of this, you know, and
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  Speaker 3: I think they were blindsided by the Soresby stuff, and
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  Speaker 3: they've tried to manage it as well as they can. By,
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  Speaker 3: you know, still trying to be committed to winning while
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  Speaker 3: you know, making sure that everything stays in order. But look,
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  Speaker 3: I think Hammond, you know, expects that he's going to
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  Speaker 3: be the starting quarterback for this team next season. And
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  Speaker 3: you know, we'll see how it goes in terms of
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  Speaker 3: before then, because you know, look, I if Soresby buckled
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  Speaker 3: under pressure when this team was five and one at Cincinnati,
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  Speaker 3: you know what's he going to do in situations this
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  Speaker 3: year where I mean, he is public enemy number one.
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  Speaker 3: People are extremely upset about this, not just that you
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  Speaker 3: know he's eligible to play, but that he's gambled on
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  Speaker 3: his own team in multiple occasions, and so like he
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  Speaker 3: is going to feel the wrath of fans, he's going
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  Speaker 3: to feel the wrath of the media. There is going
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  Speaker 3: to be so much more added pressure to him, and
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  Speaker 3: so I'm not sure that we are going to be
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  Speaker 3: seeing much of Will Hammond this year.
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  Speaker 2: How much should we worry about precedent when it comes
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  Speaker 2: to this ruling in college sports? I mean, but there's
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  Speaker 2: a bunch of pro guys they were like, wait, I
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  Speaker 2: didn't use up all my eligibility and can I come back?
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  Speaker 2: Can play? Like if this dude can play, anyone can play.
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  Speaker 2: And obviously that's an Apple's and Oranges comparison. But the
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  Speaker 2: ruling was based on basically the fear that there's a
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  Speaker 2: significant detriment to Will Hammon or to Brendan Soorsby's well
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  Speaker 2: being if he is disallowed from playing. It's like, I
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  Speaker 2: could make a pretty easy case that me not being
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  Speaker 2: allowed to go play another year of college football right
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  Speaker 2: now is not bad for my health, you know what
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  Speaker 2: I mean? Like what the president here is so dangerous?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, so there's a few things, you know.
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  Speaker 3: On the one hand, there's you know, the fact that,
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  Speaker 3: as you alluded to, this was not a anti trust
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  Speaker 3: ruling here. This is not a ruling as Kettler's won
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  Speaker 3: many of these before. And quite frankly, my projection of
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  Speaker 3: sores beginning this injunction was based on my belief that
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  Speaker 3: it would be based on anti trust laws. And to
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  Speaker 3: your point, I mean, in his statement, the judge in
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  Speaker 3: this case basically says that he bought the argument that
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  Speaker 3: they made on Soresby's behalf that this would be detrimental.
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  Speaker 3: You know, again, can't imagine the psyche of Brendan Soresby
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  Speaker 3: right now and how much this is going to change
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  Speaker 3: based on the media firestorm that this has created and
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  Speaker 3: will continue to his mental mind frame and psyche even
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  Speaker 3: with playing. I imagine it's going to be extremely fragile
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  Speaker 3: this year. Again, given too, We've heard historically that like, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: maybe he buckles under pressure a little bit. And the
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  Speaker 3: fact that, I mean, the next game that Soorsby wins
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  Speaker 3: in the month of November will be the first game,
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  Speaker 3: you know, that he's won since twenty twenty three. The
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  Speaker 3: last two seasons, Cincinnati has not won one single game
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  Speaker 3: in the month of November. I'm not going to completely
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  Speaker 3: divorce Soresby from that. So that's the one. The one.
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  Speaker 3: On the one hand, the fact that cut Story is
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  Speaker 3: able to win this case for sores Bey with not
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  Speaker 3: even having to make the anti trust argument, which which
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  Speaker 3: means you know, everybody wants to talk about, oh if
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  Speaker 3: they if Congress passed this law, then you know this
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  Speaker 3: would have taken care of this ruling. No, it wouldn't have,
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  Speaker 3: because that's gives the n STABLE an anti trust exemption. Again,
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  Speaker 3: TESLA was testing out sort of a different approach, and
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  Speaker 3: at one regardless in terms of the precedent. I mean, look,
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  Speaker 3: oh see, the reality is the n c double A is,
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  Speaker 3: you know, a governing body and name alone. The only
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  Speaker 3: thing that the nuable A does at this point in
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  Speaker 3: time is put on championships for every sport that's not football.
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  Speaker 3: But there this has been quite the road of l's
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  Speaker 3: for the n C Double A, and they're going to
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  Speaker 3: continue to take l's and that's like the precedent here
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  Speaker 3: is that there are no rules that the NC Double
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  Speaker 3: A can enforce. And if they can't even enforce this rule,
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  Speaker 3: which I think we all agree is, you know, really
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  Speaker 3: potentially dangerous and toxic to sports at large, gambling on
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  Speaker 3: your own games and gambling in general. You know that
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  Speaker 3: that that there are no rules that will stand up
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  Speaker 3: in court that the Instable A has and the only
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  Speaker 3: way to change this is through collective bargaining. And I
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  Speaker 3: know we've been talking about this for it feels like
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  Speaker 3: over a year now, and that is going to continue
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  Speaker 3: to be the case. The decision makers in the Instable
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  Speaker 3: A and administrators across the country are slowly coming to
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  Speaker 3: the realization that the only fix is not going to
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  Speaker 3: come from congressional legislation. It's not going to come from
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  Speaker 3: anything other than sitting down at the table and negotiating
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  Speaker 3: a collective bargain agreement of rules and stipulations in which
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  Speaker 3: to govern. Because that's what the Supreme Court said, and
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  Speaker 3: ultimately that's what all these courts subsequently have decided.
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  Speaker 2: Is Cincinnati going to get in trouble when it's all
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  Speaker 2: said and done, because multiple reports out there that they
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  Speaker 2: knew about Brendan Sorosby's gambling last August, so before he
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  Speaker 2: played the season. And obviously the ruling in his favor
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  Speaker 2: is based on those things that you just talked about
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  Speaker 2: the ability for the NCAA to potentially enforce rules and
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  Speaker 2: fractions for like I don't know athletic administrators at Cincinnati
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  Speaker 2: that maybe knew about something that should have been self reported,
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  Speaker 2: and like that's a totally different can of worms. Is
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  Speaker 2: Cincinnati gonna face any kind of blowback from this?
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  Speaker 3: Right? And you know there is this level of iron
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  Speaker 3: e oc from the standpoint of you know, these universities
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  Speaker 3: pulled together money, created this College Sports Commission to govern
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  Speaker 3: the sport, which the schools again agreed to and have
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  Speaker 3: paid for. And all we've seen then is all those
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  Speaker 3: individual schools also pay, whether directly or indirectly, in order
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  Speaker 3: to break those rules. So I mean you're the winner.
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  Speaker 3: The true winners here are lawyers and all of the
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  Speaker 3: billable hours that they're getting on both sides. Again, like
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  Speaker 3: you have schools and universities here that paid lawyers to
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  Speaker 3: create the College Sports Commission that are now subsequently paying
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  Speaker 3: lawyers to go against the rulings and the rules of
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  Speaker 3: the College Sports Commission. It is a weird and crazy
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  Speaker 3: time in college athletics. And maybe there's no better way
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  Speaker 3: to say it than that everybody wants rules. Everybody agrees
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  Speaker 3: there needs to be rules in uniformity, Nobody agrees on
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  Speaker 3: who it should impact. Everybody wants those rules to impact
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  Speaker 3: everybody else. Nobody wants those rules to impact them, And
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  Speaker 3: when it does impact them, they throw up their hands
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  Speaker 3: and they go take it to court, get an injunction,
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  Speaker 3: or just say we're not going to buy by these
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  Speaker 3: rules anyways. So I mean, yeah, it's it's a disaster
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  Speaker 3: from a rule standpoint. You had subleas we've mentioned, continues
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  Speaker 3: to take l's here and there's no legislation or bill
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  Speaker 3: that's going to fix this. There have been forty bills
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  Speaker 3: that have been introduced in either the House or the
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  Speaker 3: Senate over these last few years since NIL and the
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  Speaker 3: Portal came on board, and none of them have even
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  Speaker 3: made out a committee. O see. So I mean, like
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  Speaker 3: we're talking about multiple years, We're talking about hundreds of
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  Speaker 3: millions of dollars that have been invested in lobbying Congress
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  Speaker 3: in order to get a bill passed, and we've made
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  Speaker 3: zero progress on any of these bills whatsoever even get
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  Speaker 3: them to a vote on the floor of either the
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  Speaker 3: House or the Senate. So the again, I think the
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  Speaker 3: CBA is really the one move here that could help
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  Speaker 3: to create you know, a level playing form, a level
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  Speaker 3: playing field, uniformity and and you know, give us some
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  Speaker 3: sort of semblance of rules to follow. But I do
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  Speaker 3: not see Cincinnati dealing with any punishments here. You know,
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  Speaker 3: if there's anything, it could be potentially, you know, some
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  Speaker 3: that in some ways a state finds that Sowresby's broken
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  Speaker 3: a law, but to this point right now, we haven't
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  Speaker 3: seen that. And there's been so there's been no criminal
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  Speaker 3: you know, charges or investigation on this beyond just each
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  Speaker 3: state that he's gambled in watching an investigation to see
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  Speaker 3: exactly you know, what's going on there. But and you know,
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  Speaker 3: the IRIDOC is all these schools want to follow rules
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  Speaker 3: and say they want to follow rules. Let's just say
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  Speaker 3: the INSTABLA came in and found something out about Cincinnati
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  Speaker 3: and penalized Cincinnati and did whatever. Now Cincinnati, as a
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  Speaker 3: member of the INSTABLA should take that punishment. But in
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  Speaker 3: most cases, what we've seen is them not do that
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  Speaker 3: and basically sue in order to get out of these punishments.
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  Speaker 3: And this is again going back to the idea here
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  Speaker 3: that the INSTABLA is really not anything other than a
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  Speaker 3: body that puts on championships for all sports except for football.
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  Speaker 2: I think I know the answer to this question, but
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  Speaker 2: I'm gonna ask it anyway. Why is this the issue
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  Speaker 2: that everyone's getting on their high horse about. Why is
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  Speaker 2: this the issue that the Big Ten and the SEC
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  Speaker 2: and everyone else is like, well, we might not even
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  Speaker 2: play these guys anymore. When in college sports we have
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  Speaker 2: seen sexual assaults be ignored, we have seen domestic abuse
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  Speaker 2: be ignored. We have seen every alcohol in fraction imagina
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  Speaker 2: will be ignored. We've seen every form of academic fraud
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  Speaker 2: be ignored. Why is this one the one that the
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  Speaker 2: non participants right the other conferences and the powers that
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  Speaker 2: be elsewhere are looking over the fence and saying like, oh,
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  Speaker 2: we disapprove of that specifically, and so we're going to
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  Speaker 2: have something to say about it.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, oh, see, this is the crux of my
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  Speaker 3: entire argument kind of contrary to public opinion. Right now,
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  Speaker 3: you know, there are no rules, and you have sitting
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  Speaker 3: athletic directors in the Big ten of the n SCEC
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  Speaker 3: basically saying we need to break away to create our
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  Speaker 3: own rules in light of the fact that the College
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  Speaker 3: Sports Commission told them that some of their NIL deals
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  Speaker 3: are not above board, they're not kosher. Right, So, like
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  Speaker 3: you're one hundred percent right in questioning this because like
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  Speaker 3: not only just going through the historyonics of what you're
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  Speaker 3: talking about, whether it's Baylor, whether it's Penn State. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: my goodness, we just got out of a cheating scandal
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  Speaker 3: that was completely swept under the run rug from Michigan, right,
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  Speaker 3: I mean, Michigan stole signs and was you know, there's
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  Speaker 3: pretty hard evidence suggests that they, you know, sent coaches
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  Speaker 3: to other games and practices still signs like this happened
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  Speaker 3: and was completely swept under the rug. This is the
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  Speaker 3: one thing that it feels like is just completely everybody
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  Speaker 3: agrees on. Everybody, I mean, is rushing to social media
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  Speaker 3: to get on their moral high horse. It's it's sickening.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, it's like nobody and I mean, nobody loves
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  Speaker 3: to take the moral high horse more than the media does.
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  Speaker 3: But social media is just insatiable when it comes.
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  Speaker 2: To this stuff.
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  Speaker 3: And I get it, Like it is the gambling piece,
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  Speaker 3: it's the Pete Rose, it's the you know. It's like
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  Speaker 3: there's so much history with gambling and sports that that's
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  Speaker 3: I think where people create the distinction. But like, let's
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  Speaker 3: be real, this is twenty twenty six. I just went
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  Speaker 3: on a trip, a vacation with my wife for five
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  Speaker 3: days to Maine, and they have legal sports gambling in Maine.
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  Speaker 3: It's literally as soon as they steps off the plane,
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  Speaker 3: I'm being inundated with advertisements to sign up for this
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  Speaker 3: website or go to this app, or sign up for
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  Speaker 3: this and get this bonus. Like the predatory nature of
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  Speaker 3: sports wagering in twenty twenty six, and like this is
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  Speaker 3: not the Pete Rose black socks going to Vegas and
• 18:21
  Speaker 3: meeting with the mafia to throw games. Like the idea
• 18:24
  Speaker 3: of sports gambling and sports wagering, that's the way that
• 18:26
  Speaker 3: we think about it, as opposed to just howubiquitous ubiquitous
• 18:30
  Speaker 3: it is in sports today. These are two completely different realities,
• 18:34
  Speaker 3: and yet people are taking sort of a standard from
• 18:36
  Speaker 3: the nineteen nineties into a twenty twenty six argument about
• 18:39
  Speaker 3: sports gambling. It's a totally different world.
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: Well stated, man, It's something that we're just going to
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: have to live with moving forward until somebody can figure
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: out at a peel away from a toothless enforcing body
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: and collectively bargaining with athletes and all of that is
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: just such a complicated mess. But only a couple more
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: months until actual football, And of course we're a month
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: out from where will be uh down there in uh
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: in Dallas for I guess in is it Arlington? Yea Frisco.
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: What's the actual It's Frisco for Big twelve media days.
• 19:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you've got you know, it's fun. I mentioned it
• 19:23
  Speaker 3: was just in Maine. It's so beautiful up there as
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: it is as I was in Salt Lake last year
• 19:27
  Speaker 3: and went skiing in Park City, like Dallas is just hilarious.
• 19:31
  Speaker 3: Like I love that I live here, but it's the
• 19:33
  Speaker 3: land of strip malls as far as I can see.
• 19:36
  Speaker 3: And I mean, what the confusion you just had is
• 19:39
  Speaker 3: basically like most people when it comes to Dallas, because
• 19:42
  Speaker 3: it's all it's the metro Pleux, right, It's it's it's Dallas,
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: it's Irving, it's Las Colinas, it's Arlington, it's for Worth,
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: it's Grand Prairie, it's Frisco, it's Alan, it's Playing. It's
• 19:54
  Speaker 3: just an endless loop of the same exact strip mall
• 19:58
  Speaker 3: with CVS and Target and Chili's endlessly so it is
• 20:04
  Speaker 3: basically the same exact place, cut and pasted, you know,
• 20:07
  Speaker 3: in different designs all across the city. So yeah, your
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: confusion is I think widespread and held, and it will
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: be officially at Frisco though att Stadium is the home
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: of the Cowboys and we have had Big twelve many
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: days there in the past. But I do think that
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: the Star in Frisco is a better is a better
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: venue for it as it was last year. So I'm
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: looking forward to seeing you body.
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm looking forward to seeing you. Thanks for hopping
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: on again today and we will we'll break Brad, We'll
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: share thoughts sooner than later. Thank you.
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: Sounds good, Take care all.
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: Right, Timkin, great stuff from him as always, Big twelve
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: today on tune in radio. Brandon Soorsby is eligible and
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: the ramifications of that are far reaching. But I think
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: the best case for the Big twelve for Utah for
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: BYU just go play and if you end up facing them,
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: beat them,