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With one toe in the Oval Office, political honcho gets jail time PERV on minor girl. PLUS Library visits lead to murder charge, and 'demon-possessed' kid evicted · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: February two thousand and four, Maura Murray empties her bank account,
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Speaker 1: Triumph Channel one thirty two. Prosecutors presented new evidence against
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Speaker 1: Curs Nichol, who's accused of strangling his wife. There is
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Speaker 1: DNA underneath the victim's fingernails that is consistent with the
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Speaker 1: defendant's DNA. Police a the family's three children were inside
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Speaker 1: the home in August when Kuris strangled his wife. Our
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Speaker 1: concern with him was largely a danger to himself and
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Speaker 1: a danger to his children. Headwise officers that he had
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Speaker 1: been he'd left their absence and went to the store,
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Speaker 1: return home. That's when he found his wife on the floor.
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Speaker 1: Police reports also way to Kate Nichols had wounds on
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Speaker 1: his arm and head. Don't you just hate it when
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Speaker 1: you leave the house for fifteen minutes to run through
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Speaker 1: McDonald's and get a cheeseburger, large fries in a dcy
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Speaker 1: diet coke. But of course, since I don't let my
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Speaker 1: children have soda, if I have to break down and
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Speaker 1: have a soda, I refer to it as prune juice
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Speaker 1: on eyes. Believe me, they never even asked to taste it.
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Speaker 1: It works. So you leave, you got fifteen minutes, and
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Speaker 1: you come back and your wife's dead. Isn't it funny
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Speaker 1: how that whole thing works. You got fifteen minutes, you
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Speaker 1: come back and your wife is dead. And what's really
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Speaker 1: crazy about it is your three young children are there
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Speaker 1: in the home and guess what when you ask them
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Speaker 1: what happened to mommy? They don't know anything. Probably do
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Speaker 1: you think one of them did? It? Isn't a coincidence
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Speaker 1: how that happens. And just a little sliver of time
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Speaker 1: that the husband is gone? Is he? Grace? This is
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Speaker 1: Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us. With me
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Speaker 1: forensics expert DestinE investigator Joseph Scott Morgan, Professor of forensics
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Speaker 1: at jacksonvill State University. Also with me investigative reporter with
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Speaker 1: people magazine, Steve Helling. Of course, I'm talking about thirty
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Speaker 1: five year old Curtis Ray Nichols. Poor guy. He goes
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Speaker 1: to McDonald's for a big mac and he comes home.
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Speaker 1: He's barely white, the special sauce off his mouth, and
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Speaker 1: his wife is dead. What happened, Steve, Well, that's his story.
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Speaker 1: He ran a couple of areas, comes back, his wife's
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Speaker 1: unconscious on the kitchen floor. Now you know, like any
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Speaker 1: normal husband, he calls nine one one. That's his story.
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Speaker 1: I'm loving this picture of him. He has on a
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Speaker 1: blue button down shirt with a very nice looking Paisley
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Speaker 1: looking blue tie, and it looks to be an expensive belt,
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Speaker 1: and his dress slacks. His hair looks awesome in a
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Speaker 1: kind of a shag way, and he's got the defense
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Speaker 1: lawyer by his size, got a little fleet of defense
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Speaker 1: to with him because, of course suspicion fell on him.
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Speaker 1: Is this guy actually get to get out of this?
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Speaker 1: I gotta take a look at this picture again. He
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Speaker 1: looks a lot different than the mug shot. So let's
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Speaker 1: get back to the crime before I put too much
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Speaker 1: focus on what he looks like. Now again, can't judge
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Speaker 1: a book by their cover, So let's get back to
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Speaker 1: the timeline. That's where we start with everything. Tell me
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Speaker 1: the timeline to start at the beginning, Steve Helling, you
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Speaker 1: know they were there in this you know they lived
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Speaker 1: in this house. This husband and wife, were their three kids.
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Speaker 1: They were agent my star. She's beautiful. Yeah, she actually
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Speaker 1: looks like a Robin Wright, the actress and Princess Bride. Oh,
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Speaker 1: she looks like Robin and Princess Bride. Okay, I'm sorry,
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Speaker 1: just threw me off for a minute. Go ahead, back
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Speaker 1: to your story. They were living this great life, it
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Speaker 1: looked like. And he goes out to run some arians,
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Speaker 1: including going to McDonald's. And he says he's only gone
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Speaker 1: for fifteen minutes. And he comes back. She is unconscious
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Speaker 1: in the or you know, not not responsive in the
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Speaker 1: kitchen floor. And you know upstairs as the kids against
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Speaker 1: age of seven five and two, none of them seven
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Speaker 1: five into they're upstairs. Now let me understand this, Okay,
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Speaker 1: Joseph Scott Morgan, let's just let's pause. I can't even
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Speaker 1: count the crime scenes, the autopsies. Do you name it
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Speaker 1: that the two of us have investigated? Right there? Alarms
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Speaker 1: are screaming in my head. So there's no sex assault,
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Speaker 1: there's nothing stolen. Three children seven, five and two? Or upstairs?
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Speaker 1: Have you seen this crib? I mean, check it out,
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Speaker 1: Jackie and Richard, the Saint Shabby. I mean, hey, I
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Speaker 1: went in mind look at this. It's a beautiful home
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Speaker 1: in a cushy neighborhood. He comes home from McDonald's. The
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Speaker 1: children upstairs, she's dead in the kitchen. What happens then?
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Speaker 1: Four days four days after her body is found, a
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Speaker 1: librarian calls them. Librarian calls the police and says they
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Speaker 1: recognize his face from news stories. The woman the librarian,
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Speaker 1: you know, that's my dream job. Joe Scott and Steve.
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Speaker 1: I worked at the library for years when I was
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Speaker 1: in school in the back. They wouldn't let me around people.
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Speaker 1: Why don't know, But I worked in the back with
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Speaker 1: sister Mary. She was a nun. Okay, processing books. Don't
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Speaker 1: you ever wonder how those things get in the book
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Speaker 1: that go off when you try to steal it? That's me, okay,
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Speaker 1: I'll send the bat doing that. Luckily, this librarian comes forward.
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Speaker 1: She recognizes him, she says, and he had been in
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Speaker 1: her library using public computers, she says, for some time.
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Speaker 1: According to a warrant. When they go and interview the librarian,
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Speaker 1: she gives them copies of papers Nichols had actually printed out.
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Speaker 1: Guess what they were about, Steve Howling. They were about
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Speaker 1: case law and extreme emotional distress defenses. He had also
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Speaker 1: been copying newspaper articles, but was being very secretive, she says,
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Speaker 1: very secretive. And she goes on to say, as the
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Speaker 1: investigating officer concludes, I believe there's information he may be
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Speaker 1: searching a defense strategy or ways to hinder, delay, or
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Speaker 1: prevent prosecution for crimes he's been charged with. That's what
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Speaker 1: happened at the library. Steve Helling, you're leaving out a
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Speaker 1: major fact here. What about the librarian, Steve Helling, People Magazine.
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Speaker 1: Well that's a very good point, Nancy. And the thing is,
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Speaker 1: you don't think he had a computer in the house.
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Speaker 1: You don't think he had a phone in his house.
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Speaker 1: But no, he goes to the library, and at the
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Speaker 1: library he's looking up all this stuff about how to
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Speaker 1: get away with murder, basically, And that's what the cops
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Speaker 1: say that they have gotten on him, that this man
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Speaker 1: went somewhere and surreptitiously started looking up this information. And
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Speaker 1: if this librarian hadn't come forward, he probably wouldn't. They
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Speaker 1: wouldn't have known this information. Steve Helling, Investigative Reporter, People Magazine.
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Speaker 1: Now you're talking my man. He goes to the library
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Speaker 1: does the research because he is no idiot. Some legal
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Speaker 1: sleuths would argue, he doesn't want these searches turning up
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Speaker 1: on his home computer, his laptop, is iPad, or his
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Speaker 1: cell phone, so he goes to the public library and
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Speaker 1: does all the researching. Joseph Scott Morgan. I am so happy.
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Speaker 1: I feel like I just got this information served up
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Speaker 1: on top of the Christmas treet. So he goes to
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Speaker 1: the library a little did he know the librarian was
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Speaker 1: watching him, and she says he was quote very secretive
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Speaker 1: and stayed there for quote some time. He knows Joseph
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Speaker 1: Scott Morgan. Isn't it true the devil's in the details? Yes,
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Speaker 1: it is, Nancy, It always is. Can I tell you
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Speaker 1: about a guy that I believe murdered his wife and
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Speaker 1: then set the house on fire to hide it. I
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Speaker 1: went to the crime scene, I was looking around what
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Speaker 1: was left in the house, and I know I turned
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Speaker 1: around to my investigator, Ernest, I went, he's a businessman
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Speaker 1: wear all his suits. Well, needless to say, I got
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Speaker 1: like thirty subpoenas in my hot little hands and started going.
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Speaker 1: And this is before you could just google mapp it.
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Speaker 1: I looked up in the phone book the pain all
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Speaker 1: of the dry cleaners within a ten mile radius of
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Speaker 1: the home, and we went. We drove, day in, day
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Speaker 1: out to every dry cleaner until guess what we found
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Speaker 1: all of his suits and shirts, everything had been cleaned
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Speaker 1: out of the closet, dropped at the dry cleaners in
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Speaker 1: the week before the fire. What's the likelihood that every
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Speaker 1: single armpit and every single shirt and every single suit
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Speaker 1: was stinky at the same time and everything had to
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Speaker 1: go to the dry cleaner just before the house burns down.
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Speaker 1: And your wife's dead with the blow to the head.
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Speaker 1: How does that happen? So at the devil's in the details.
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Speaker 1: My point is he screwed up going to the library. Okay,
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Speaker 1: what do we know about the cause of death? Joseph
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Speaker 1: Scott Morgan, Well, I know this. He spent too much
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Speaker 1: time in the case law section of a library he
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Speaker 1: should have gone to He should have gone to the
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Speaker 1: forensics section if they have one of the library. Because
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Speaker 1: this is an evidence rich case, Nancy. What we do
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Speaker 1: know from the medical examiner is that this lady was
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Speaker 1: essentially strangled. Well wasn't her neck broken? Well? Yeah, you know,
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Speaker 1: and this is a very personal crime, very personal crime.
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Speaker 1: And don't we see this time and time again when
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Speaker 1: we have case involving intimates like this. This is another
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Speaker 1: thing that we look at in forensics and something that
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Speaker 1: is detailed here. There was no sign of forced entry
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Speaker 1: or struggle in the environment. That means you don't have
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Speaker 1: when is knocked out, you don't have doors forced in.
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Speaker 1: It was a pristine scene other than the fact that
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Speaker 1: this guy's wife has been murdered, apparently there in their kitchen.
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Speaker 1: No sign of breaking at the home. That must have
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Speaker 1: been a severe, severe strangulation. Joseph Scott Morgan, you're the
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Speaker 1: death investigator because you can strangle somebody without breaking their
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Speaker 1: bones in their neck. All you have to do is
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Speaker 1: cut off their air source for you know, a minute,
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Speaker 1: two minutes, they're dead. Why do you have to break
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Speaker 1: the bones manually? Because this is a manual strangulation, not
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Speaker 1: a ligature, which means his fingers were around her neck
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Speaker 1: according to police, with such intensity it broke the bones
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Speaker 1: in her neck. What does that say to you, Joseph
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Speaker 1: Scott Morgan protracted, protracted period of time with an intense
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Speaker 1: what we refer to as an intense amount of foot
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Speaker 1: pounds of pressure that it takes for the human for
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Speaker 1: the human hands to actually snap a bone in the neck.
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Speaker 1: Contrary to what you see in the movies and on television,
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Speaker 1: that sort of thing. It's not an easy process. And
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Speaker 1: I don't want to go too far afield here, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: but this guy has got some serious anger issues here,
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Speaker 1: and they had some things going on I think here
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Speaker 1: in this What do you mean by that? I mean
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Speaker 1: you can't just throw that out in the universe without
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Speaker 1: me following it up free inches up your tailpipe, buddy,
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Speaker 1: what do you mean issues? Oh? Well, you go ahead,
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Speaker 1: Hey listen, it's this environment that they live in. Most
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Speaker 1: of these cases where you have someone that is manually
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Speaker 1: strangled like this, this involves intimacy. You're right up close
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Speaker 1: and personal. Most of the cases that I've worked over
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Speaker 1: my career involving manual strangulation involve a lot of anger.
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Speaker 1: And this isn't a reactionary thing. This is him getting
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Speaker 1: up in her face, sitting on top of her, probably
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Speaker 1: and choking the life out of her body. Children upstairs
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Speaker 1: breaks the bones in her neck. I wouldn't be surprised
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Speaker 1: if one of the children didn't say this. There's two,
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Speaker 1: five and seven. Okay, hold on just a second. Let
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Speaker 1: me understand something. Steve Helling, investigative reporter with People Magazine,
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Speaker 1: colleague and friend, question, do you the librarian is not
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Speaker 1: just her eyewitness identification, which a defense will have a
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Speaker 1: field day at trial trying to destroy her eyewitness idea? Well,
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Speaker 1: how far away were you? How is the lighting? Don't
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Speaker 1: you wear glasses? How many people do you see a day?
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Speaker 1: Blah blah blah. Okay, he checked out a book. He
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Speaker 1: checked out a book, so there is a written record
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Speaker 1: of him being there, So don't jump on the little librarian. Okay,
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Speaker 1: but this is what I'm asking you about. Am I crazy?
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Speaker 1: Or wait? Wait, don't answer that. Am I correct that
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Speaker 1: this guy is out on bond? Steve Helling? You are
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Speaker 1: correct that he's out on bond, and you know that's
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Speaker 1: because well who knows why he is. But yeah, I
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Speaker 1: would think that this is a case. If there's ever
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Speaker 1: a case where somebody's going to be held without bond,
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Speaker 1: I'd like to think. It's a man who is accused
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Speaker 1: of strangling and breaking the neckbones of his wife while
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Speaker 1: his children are upstairs. You would think that that would
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Speaker 1: be a no bond situation. But yes, he is out.
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Speaker 1: He's out. Not only is he out, and he's out
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Speaker 1: on one hundred thousand dollars bond cash bond. The prosecutors
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Speaker 1: tried to get him sent back to jail, arguing that
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Speaker 1: he is a danger to himself and the children. Well,
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Speaker 1: he's a danger to the children because if one of
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Speaker 1: them is a witness, that's a problem. I always say,
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Speaker 1: when you don't know what somebody will do, look at
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Speaker 1: what they have already done. Back to Mike, don't groan
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Speaker 1: alan deep, but when you don't know a horse, look
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Speaker 1: at his track record. See what he's already done, because
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Speaker 1: that's what he's going to do. According to police, he's
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Speaker 1: already murdered his wife with his bare hands, with the
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Speaker 1: children upstairs. If one of them heard a struggle, if
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Speaker 1: one of them heard her scream and came down and
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Speaker 1: witness that, there's the state's chief witness catch this. One
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Speaker 1: of the grandmothers will not let police talk to the children,
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Speaker 1: and Daddy's out on bond. What judge did that. The
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Speaker 1: prosecutors tried to get him sent back to jail, according
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Speaker 1: to KUTV Channel two, but the judge and all of
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Speaker 1: his wisdom, deferred his ruling until a late quote later date,
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Speaker 1: which means this guy is a freeman talk about a
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Speaker 1: murder then trying to subvert justice by coming up with
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Speaker 1: the defense defenses at the library and ways to get
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Speaker 1: out of it. What I don't understand, what's why he's
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Speaker 1: out on bond, why the police can't speak to the children.
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Speaker 1: And one other fact, to Joe Scott Morgan, what can
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Speaker 1: you tell me about potential DNA in this case deoxy
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Speaker 1: ry bony clake ascid. What can you tell me the
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Speaker 1: DNA demonstrates that we've got connectivity between these two. It's
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Speaker 1: beneath the fingernails. In this particular case, Nancy, you have
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Speaker 1: to be able to explain how did the DNA get
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Speaker 1: underneath the fingernails. And the only way you can really
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Speaker 1: come back to this is that if somebody's attempting to
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Speaker 1: defend themselves where they're scratching and their clawing, and you've
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Speaker 1: got a tussle that's going on, and this is going
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Speaker 1: to be a key in this particular case to talk
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Speaker 1: about the violence that's involved. In this case, a DNA
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Speaker 1: sample taken from under Robin's fingernails, which is one of
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Speaker 1: the first things you do at a murder scene is
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Speaker 1: you quote bag the victim's hands with pay paper bags
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Speaker 1: and you seal them with a string or a rubber
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Speaker 1: band at the wrist, so in transit from the scene
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Speaker 1: of the murder to the morgue and during the movement
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Speaker 1: from the van to the autopsy table, you don't lose
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Speaker 1: that very very important DNA which may be invisible to
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Speaker 1: the naked eye from under the fingernails. The fingernails are
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Speaker 1: then clipped very carefully with a pristine clipper, and then
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Speaker 1: put it under a microscope and you vary carefully with
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Speaker 1: a metal utensil like a little file, scrape the nails,
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Speaker 1: or you simply process the nail itself to determine if
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Speaker 1: there is DNA in addition to the DNA in the fingernail.
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Speaker 1: That's what they did, and in this case under Robbin's
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Speaker 1: fingernails is her husband's DNA. And isn't it true Steve
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Speaker 1: Helen that the night of her murder her husband was
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Speaker 1: found to have marks on his arms and forehead that
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Speaker 1: appear to be scratch marks. That's absolutely right, Nancy, and
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Speaker 1: the police say that they are consistent with defensive marks.
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Speaker 1: You know, because obviously, if somebody has their hands around
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Speaker 1: your neck, you're going to start grabbing at their forearms
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Speaker 1: to try and pry them away, and your fingernails are
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Speaker 1: going to scratch their skin, and that's what police believe happens.
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Speaker 1: Oh I can say is judge, revoke this bond. Revoke
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Speaker 1: this bond an issue, and order for those children to
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Speaker 1: be able to speak to police. I want justice. Curtis
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Speaker 1: Are you kidding me? So? Long story short, These texts
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Speaker 1: and emails, this case is what led the FBI to
20:39
Speaker 1: reopen its investigation into Hillary Clinton's email servers just before
20:44
Speaker 1: the election. And you know what happened. Then everything went
20:47
Speaker 1: sideways for Clinton, this guy, and now he is in
20:53
Speaker 1: court begging for leniency. Let's take it from the beginning.
20:57
Speaker 1: What do we know? Oh my goodness, just saw a
21:00
Speaker 1: picture of Anthony Wayner without a shirt own? Did I
21:02
Speaker 1: really need to see that? Karen start? Before I go
21:06
Speaker 1: back to Steve Helling, to start at the beginning with
21:08
Speaker 1: the facts. Karen, start, Why does a guy get a
21:11
Speaker 1: thrill about sending naked shots of himself to somebody else?
21:14
Speaker 1: I mean, they're not even in the same room. How
21:16
Speaker 1: does that whole thing work? Don't get too graphic. Okay,
21:18
Speaker 1: my children can tune into Serious one thirty two and
21:21
Speaker 1: hear this. Okay, So how does that work? It starts
21:24
Speaker 1: pretty early, Nancy. It's a sexual obsession. This guy is
21:28
Speaker 1: not just doesn't have a perversion. But what happens when
21:31
Speaker 1: you can only get turned on a certain way is
21:33
Speaker 1: that it compels you to continue despite the fact that
21:37
Speaker 1: he's been in trouble repeatedly. And if you notice, he
21:41
Speaker 1: doesn't learn from his past experiences. It doesn't matter that
21:45
Speaker 1: it ruined his own career. He's obsessed to continue in
21:49
Speaker 1: this manner. It could be a young girl, an older person.
21:52
Speaker 1: He's an exhibitionist. He has to do this. You know,
21:57
Speaker 1: you could argue, I've got to go rob a bank.
22:00
Speaker 1: That's just I've just got to do right, that's right.
22:02
Speaker 1: I am not buying that. Now you're saying that he
22:04
Speaker 1: hasn't learned from his past experiences. Again, Steve Helling, investigative
22:09
Speaker 1: reporter with People Magazine, Let's start at the beginning, because
22:12
Speaker 1: I've been saying Anthony Weiner in the news, that's an
22:15
Speaker 1: unfortunate last name for this scenario. But in the news
22:18
Speaker 1: from the beginning, apologizing for this and apologizing for that.
22:22
Speaker 1: What all has he been apologizing for? Didn't he run
22:24
Speaker 1: from mayor as well? And that got torpedo because of
22:27
Speaker 1: the things like this. Yeah, he actually ran from mayor twice,
22:30
Speaker 1: once in two thousand and five, once in twenty thirteen.
22:33
Speaker 1: I've lost track, Nancy would. I would have to do
22:36
Speaker 1: a deep research of how many times we've listened to
22:38
Speaker 1: him apologize for this exact same behavior. Now, sometimes some
22:42
Speaker 1: of the times the women were grown ups, but still
22:46
Speaker 1: it was like he did something on Twitter, he did
22:48
Speaker 1: stuff on text. Oh my stars, Wait a minute, guess
22:51
Speaker 1: what the text says with the naked Torso picture. I'm
22:56
Speaker 1: in the hot tub. Okay, right there, that would be
22:59
Speaker 1: enough to make me just go off the edge for
23:01
Speaker 1: some naked guy in a hot tub to send to
23:03
Speaker 1: my daughter, I'm in the hot tub, just saying, mmm,
23:07
Speaker 1: my fists are actually my fingers are tingling because they
23:11
Speaker 1: want to be in a note. They don't want to
23:12
Speaker 1: be in a fist. They want to grab him around
23:13
Speaker 1: the neck right there at the Adam Apple and then
23:17
Speaker 1: just please really hard. So okay, let's just start at
23:20
Speaker 1: the beginning. First, he got busted in a sexting with
23:24
Speaker 1: a grown lady, right, and that was when was that
23:27
Speaker 1: when he was running from here in two thousand and five? No,
23:30
Speaker 1: that was later than that. You know, great, she's a
23:32
Speaker 1: grown lady, but still it was aggressive. She wasn't into it. Again,
23:37
Speaker 1: one thing, if she's into it, but he doesn't care.
23:39
Speaker 1: He doesn't care if they're fifteen, he doesn't care if
23:41
Speaker 1: they're a grown woman. He doesn't care whether they want
23:44
Speaker 1: it or not. He's going to sext if that's what
23:46
Speaker 1: he wants. And that's a real problem right now. We're
23:49
Speaker 1: all working so hard to keep the Internet devoid of
23:52
Speaker 1: sex predators. Karen Stark. It started off with him sexting
23:58
Speaker 1: other women his at body parts. And I remember I
24:01
Speaker 1: was literally walking to the set at Headline News and
24:06
Speaker 1: it hit hit the airways. Wiener's at it again, this
24:10
Speaker 1: time for sending shots of his penis. Somehow it went
24:16
Speaker 1: to other people. How did that work? How did we
24:19
Speaker 1: find out about it? He was trying to send it
24:21
Speaker 1: as a direct message. Instead he tweeted it out. That's
24:24
Speaker 1: what happened. Okay, that's certainly not what I want to
24:28
Speaker 1: wake up and you wonder, and you wonder, was there
24:31
Speaker 1: a Freudian slip in that he tweeted out a picture
24:35
Speaker 1: of his peepee? Is that right? Wait a minute, was
24:39
Speaker 1: it a naked peepee or was it him and his
24:41
Speaker 1: undee with him and his underwear? As I recall, okay,
24:44
Speaker 1: this is clarify, there was a thin layer of cotton
24:46
Speaker 1: over that. Was that the one where his little boy
24:49
Speaker 1: was in bed with him? No, that's a different time.
24:51
Speaker 1: Oh I'm sorry, I'm getting them a little confused now, Okay,
24:54
Speaker 1: So after that, what happened Steve? Hell? Oh gosh, I
24:58
Speaker 1: mean yeah, so of course it becomes a big saying
25:00
Speaker 1: whom it stands behind him? And then women have been
25:02
Speaker 1: coming forward ever since then with different levels of credibility
25:06
Speaker 1: about Oh, he sexted me, he sent me this, he
25:08
Speaker 1: sent me that, But there were pictures of his naked
25:11
Speaker 1: penis that you know, ended up leaking wind. The way
25:14
Speaker 1: you say it like it's a secret. Like when I
25:17
Speaker 1: grew up in Macon, we wouldn't say cancer. We would
25:19
Speaker 1: say she's got cancer. Okay, So I noticed that, you know,
25:23
Speaker 1: the subtle lowering of your voice. Yeah, okay. Since having
25:27
Speaker 1: boy girl twins, you know, I don't think anymore about it, really,
25:30
Speaker 1: I mean, it's there. Everybody knows about it. It's not
25:33
Speaker 1: a secret anymore. I want to get back to the
25:36
Speaker 1: teen girl, which is what he's in court for, facing
25:42
Speaker 1: time behind bars, and according to sources, the state wants
25:46
Speaker 1: two years behind bars. Yeah, tell me what happened. Prosecutors
25:50
Speaker 1: say that you know, he knew full well that she
25:52
Speaker 1: was a fifteen year old girl, and he's asking her
25:54
Speaker 1: to engage in like all this sexually explicit conduct, both
25:58
Speaker 1: on Skype and on snap Chat, and you know that
26:00
Speaker 1: Snapchat everything disappears, So who knows what else he's done? Well,
26:04
Speaker 1: hold on, hold on, I can tell you. According to
26:06
Speaker 1: the Daily Mail, and I'm sure this is all coming
26:08
Speaker 1: out a transcription court with me psychologist out of New York,
26:12
Speaker 1: Karin Stark and Steve Helling, reporter, People Magazine, there are
26:16
Speaker 1: allegations Anthony Wiener carries on a long time sex relationship
26:22
Speaker 1: with online sex relationship with a very troubled teen girl,
26:28
Speaker 1: telling her she made him quote hard, asking her to
26:31
Speaker 1: dress up in quote schoolgirl outfits, and pressing her to
26:35
Speaker 1: engage in quote rape fantasies. She repeatedly tells him she
26:40
Speaker 1: is just a teen, that she is a sophomore in
26:43
Speaker 1: high school. She lets him know repeatedly she's a teen
26:47
Speaker 1: girl under age, and he knows that quote. In one message,
26:51
Speaker 1: he tells the little girl, I would bust that type
26:54
Speaker 1: Peu star star y. She claims he asked her to
26:59
Speaker 1: undress and touch herself and say his name over video chat,
27:04
Speaker 1: that he would get completely naked but usually shirtless wearing boxers.
27:09
Speaker 1: He does not deny exchanging quote flirtatious messages with the
27:15
Speaker 1: little girl. Well, isn't all this pretty easily verifiable? After
27:19
Speaker 1: all my years prosecuting, I'm pretty sure that police can
27:23
Speaker 1: forensically dig up his text and likely his photos he sent,
27:28
Speaker 1: although Snapchat or live is going to be more difficult,
27:31
Speaker 1: if not impossible matter. So let me ask you this,
27:35
Speaker 1: Karen Stark, Why should I believe now that anything is
27:39
Speaker 1: going to change? Because, yeah, we can all get a
27:41
Speaker 1: laugh about him sending out shots of his private parts
27:46
Speaker 1: and his underwear accidentally on Twitter, or how we perceive
27:52
Speaker 1: his texting and emailing and videoing with grown ladies, But
27:59
Speaker 1: this is a child and we can't laugh because of
28:05
Speaker 1: his past because right now children are in danger. They
28:10
Speaker 1: are in danger, And I don't care how rich he
28:12
Speaker 1: is or educator who he's married, to or how close
28:15
Speaker 1: he is to the White House. This is a child
28:18
Speaker 1: under the law. So why should I believe, after this
28:21
Speaker 1: long record of missteps and apologies that anything is going
28:26
Speaker 1: to change. You shouldn't believe it. Nobody should believe it.
28:30
Speaker 1: The judge shouldn't believe it. It's really important that they
28:34
Speaker 1: ignore the fact that he's making excuses again and saying
28:39
Speaker 1: he's so much better, and look at all the terrible
28:41
Speaker 1: things he did and he ruined careers, and none of
28:43
Speaker 1: it matters because he will do this again. He's compelled
28:48
Speaker 1: to do it. He's shown that he will continue to
28:51
Speaker 1: do it. And if anything, Nancy I would say, and
28:54
Speaker 1: this is really important, that he will get worse because
28:58
Speaker 1: he started with adult women, which was bad enough that
29:02
Speaker 1: he went public that way and took those kind of
29:05
Speaker 1: chances when he was running for office. But now he's
29:09
Speaker 1: going to children, and once you begin with underage children,
29:13
Speaker 1: you can see that it's progressing and getting worse. Nothing
29:17
Speaker 1: that happened to him was able to be stopped. He
29:21
Speaker 1: went into therapy, supposedly, he said he got help. Each
29:24
Speaker 1: time he said he was getting better, he would be different,
29:28
Speaker 1: and obviously he can't be, which is known child molesters
29:32
Speaker 1: unknown for the fact that they can't be stopped. There
29:36
Speaker 1: is no therapy thus far that's been able to help
29:40
Speaker 1: somebody and change the fact that they are attracted to
29:44
Speaker 1: these kind of situations. So I really do believe that
29:49
Speaker 1: something needs to be done to make sure this doesn't
29:52
Speaker 1: happen with him. He goes by the handle Carlo's danger.
29:56
Speaker 1: You know what, I don't think one shrink can handle this.
29:59
Speaker 1: I think we need whole team from Vienna to work
30:01
Speaker 1: on this. Carlo's danger and tea dog. Okay, that's not
30:07
Speaker 1: a crime. I'm just putting it out there, according to
30:10
Speaker 1: the reports. So tell me, what are the judges choices?
30:14
Speaker 1: Steve Helling from People magazine, What can the judge do?
30:18
Speaker 1: The government has asked that Wiener gets sentenced to the
30:21
Speaker 1: prison term of twenty one to twenty seven months. That's
30:23
Speaker 1: what they're asking for. Obviously, his lawyers are saying that
30:27
Speaker 1: he's made remarkable progress in his therapy, which you know,
30:30
Speaker 1: like you said, who knows, So they're saying that, you know,
30:34
Speaker 1: they'd like a lot less. So we'll see what the
30:36
Speaker 1: judge decides and how much prison sentence he gets. But
30:40
Speaker 1: you know, if the prosecutors get their way, he'll be
30:42
Speaker 1: in prison for a couple of years. Take a listen
30:44
Speaker 1: to what Wiener says in two thousand and eleven when
30:48
Speaker 1: he resigns from Congress. Have the outset. I'd like to
30:51
Speaker 1: make it clear that I have made terrible mistakes that
30:54
Speaker 1: have hurt the people I care about the most, and
30:56
Speaker 1: I'm deeply sorry. I have not been honest with myself,
30:59
Speaker 1: my family, my constituents, my friends and supporters, and the media.
31:04
Speaker 1: Last Friday night, I tweeted a photograph of myself that
31:06
Speaker 1: I intended to send us a direct message as part
31:09
Speaker 1: of a joke to a woman in Seattle. Once I
31:11
Speaker 1: realized I had posted it to Twitter, I panic. I
31:13
Speaker 1: took it down and said that I had been hacked.
31:15
Speaker 1: I then continued with that story. To stick to that story,
31:18
Speaker 1: which was a usually regrettable mistake. This woman was unwittingly
31:21
Speaker 1: dragged into this and bears absolutely no responsibility. I'm so
31:24
Speaker 1: sorry to have disrupted her life in this way. To
31:27
Speaker 1: be clear, the picture was of me and I sent it.
31:30
Speaker 1: I'm deeply sorry for the pain this has caused my wife, Huma,
31:33
Speaker 1: and our family, and my constituents, my friends, supporters, and staff.
31:38
Speaker 1: In addition, over the past few years, I have engaged
31:40
Speaker 1: in several inappropriate conversations conducted over Twitter, Facebook, email, and
31:44
Speaker 1: occasionally on the phone with women I had met online.
31:47
Speaker 1: I've exchanged messages and photos of an explicit nature with
31:50
Speaker 1: about six women over the last three years. For the
31:53
Speaker 1: most part, these these communications took place before my marriage,
31:57
Speaker 1: though some have sadly took place after. To be clear,
32:00
Speaker 1: I have never met any of these women or had
32:02
Speaker 1: physical relationships at any time. I haven't told the truth,
32:06
Speaker 1: and I've done things I deeply regret. I vote pain
32:11
Speaker 1: to people I care about, the most, people who believed
32:13
Speaker 1: in me, and for that I'm deeply sorry. I apologize
32:18
Speaker 1: to my wife, with our families, as well as to
32:22
Speaker 1: our friends and supporters. I'm deeply ashamed of my terrible
32:25
Speaker 1: judgment and actions. Then there's the two thirteen episode, and
32:34
Speaker 1: this is his long suffering wife, Huma Abdeen. Listen to
32:38
Speaker 1: what she has to say. Our marriage, like many others,
32:42
Speaker 1: has had in tups and it's downs. It took a
32:45
Speaker 1: lot of work and a whole lot of therapy to
32:47
Speaker 1: get to a place where I had support handle It
32:50
Speaker 1: was not an easy choice in any way. But I
32:54
Speaker 1: made the decision that it was worth staying in this marriage.
32:57
Speaker 1: That was a decision I made from me, for our
32:59
Speaker 1: son and for our family. I didn't know how it
33:02
Speaker 1: worked up, but I did know that I wanted to
33:05
Speaker 1: give it a try. Anthony's made some horrible mistakes, both
33:09
Speaker 1: before he resigned from Congress and after, but I do
33:13
Speaker 1: very strongly believe that that is between us in our marriage.
33:17
Speaker 1: We discussed all of us before Anthony decided to run
33:20
Speaker 1: from heyor So. Really, what I want to say is
33:23
Speaker 1: I love him, I have forgiven him, I believe in him,
33:27
Speaker 1: and as we have said from the beginning, we are
33:30
Speaker 1: moving forward. To me, it seems as if we're getting
33:33
Speaker 1: this all tangled up in the presidential election with Hillary
33:38
Speaker 1: Clinton and Donald Trump, and that winner brought down the
33:42
Speaker 1: Clinton nominee because they thought the whole issue of her
33:46
Speaker 1: having a private email server, which would of course defeat
33:50
Speaker 1: everybody reading her email, government officials, it wouldn't be public email.
33:54
Speaker 1: That investigation, I think was closed, and then because of
33:57
Speaker 1: Weiner and all of his texting and email, it reopened
34:01
Speaker 1: that just before the election, which Hillary Clinton now says
34:06
Speaker 1: was part of her undoing. That reopening the investigation. She
34:10
Speaker 1: doesn't say Anthony Weiner brought me down. She says that
34:13
Speaker 1: the reopening Comey's reopening of the investigation destroyed her a
34:17
Speaker 1: chance at the White House. Is that true? I don't know,
34:19
Speaker 1: But I do know this sexual predator on a child
34:24
Speaker 1: has gotten enmeshed between Clinton and Trump. I don't see
34:28
Speaker 1: it that way at all. I don't give a flying
34:30
Speaker 1: figure about that. I care about this. I care about
34:34
Speaker 1: whether a judge will look at him as a powerful politico,
34:39
Speaker 1: part of a power couple even though they're in divorce
34:43
Speaker 1: proceedings now, and give him a break. If he were
34:47
Speaker 1: a poor white guy or a minority or uneducated, history
34:53
Speaker 1: room would be under the jail for this. So let's
34:55
Speaker 1: see what judge is going to do with Anthony Weiner. Well,
35:01
Speaker 1: you know what, I think A Texas couple kicks out
35:05
Speaker 1: they're seven year old. What now? I've heard of parents
35:10
Speaker 1: kicking out their son when he's you know, thirty five,
35:14
Speaker 1: and they come home from work and he's laying on
35:16
Speaker 1: the sofa eating chips and drinking a beer watching Days
35:19
Speaker 1: of Her Lives if that's still on or Maury Povich
35:21
Speaker 1: or whatever. I get that, But kicking out a seven
35:26
Speaker 1: year old child. Why because they insist the seven year
35:32
Speaker 1: old is possessed by demons. They kick the baby out
35:37
Speaker 1: of the house and tell him to never come back again. Gee,
35:43
Speaker 1: I wonder if meth has anything to do with this.
35:45
Speaker 1: Straight out to Ashley Wilcot, child advocate, what exactly happened
35:51
Speaker 1: in this story? A little boy is kicked out and
35:56
Speaker 1: they abandoned the baby, and you know, to look at them,
35:59
Speaker 1: I swear, Ashley, I think that they could be driving
36:03
Speaker 1: through the car pool right in front of me. But
36:05
Speaker 1: in fact, this Hook's Texas couple kick the boy out
36:09
Speaker 1: and tell him never to return because he is possessed
36:12
Speaker 1: by demons. What they didn't just kick him out Once
36:17
Speaker 1: he went back home, they did it again. A neighbor
36:21
Speaker 1: took him back home, thinking, oh, they must not be home. No,
36:24
Speaker 1: they look normal, they appear normal. There they are, We're
36:26
Speaker 1: going to drop him off. He goes back to the
36:28
Speaker 1: neighbors again and they allegedly admit to the police, Yes,
36:33
Speaker 1: we kicked him out. He has demons. It's a horrible
36:35
Speaker 1: abandonment issue. But at least these two yohos have been
36:40
Speaker 1: consistent and said we're kicking him out. He can't come
36:43
Speaker 1: in our house. Joining me right now. In addition to
36:45
Speaker 1: Ashley Willcott, child advocate is Steve Helling, investigative reporter with
36:49
Speaker 1: People Magazine. Let's start at the beginning. I'm just trying
36:53
Speaker 1: to get my mind around a seven year old boy.
36:56
Speaker 1: Seven year olds, they don't even always remember to wipe
36:59
Speaker 1: their ear end. Okay, let me just put it out there,
37:02
Speaker 1: and you put the child out and locked the door
37:04
Speaker 1: and say don't come back. What more do we know?
37:07
Speaker 1: Start at the beginning. Steve Halling, investigative reporter, People Magazine,
37:10
Speaker 1: walk me through this. Take it from the beginning. Sure,
37:13
Speaker 1: this little boy is goes over to a friend's house.
37:15
Speaker 1: He plays with a friend, and then finally dinner time
37:18
Speaker 1: comes and the mom says, hey, it's time to go home,
37:21
Speaker 1: which we've all done that with our kids friends. The
37:23
Speaker 1: little boy goes home, comes back, says he can't get
37:26
Speaker 1: in the house. The neighbor thinks, oh, that must just
37:28
Speaker 1: mean that maybe they're not home, maybe they're in the backyard, whatever.
37:31
Speaker 1: So the neighbor drives over to the house and the
37:35
Speaker 1: dad is mowing the lawn. The kid comes back crying
37:38
Speaker 1: again and says, you know, they locked me out. They
37:40
Speaker 1: won't let me come home. Now, let's talk about the
37:42
Speaker 1: issue that they claim. The reason they kicked him out
37:44
Speaker 1: was he's possessed by demons. Possessed by demons? Okay, Steve Halling,
37:50
Speaker 1: how exactly do you determine if somebody's possessed by a demon? Well, listen,
37:53
Speaker 1: I have six kids and I just had to get
37:55
Speaker 1: them out of the house to school, and I believe
37:57
Speaker 1: half of there they possessed by demons. Absolutely, But you know,
38:01
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, there are kids that have their
38:03
Speaker 1: behavior things someday, and I think that's what they're saying.
38:06
Speaker 1: This little boy wasn't behaving, so they made this leap
38:09
Speaker 1: to say it's demons, which of course it's not. You know,
38:12
Speaker 1: it's he's a seven year old boy. And like you said,
38:14
Speaker 1: well let me ask you questions, Steve Helling, People Magazine.
38:18
Speaker 1: When he was playing with the little friend, they didn't
38:20
Speaker 1: seem to have a behavioral problem, did they not at all?
38:22
Speaker 1: They let him play there for hours, and believe me,
38:24
Speaker 1: when the neighborhood kids get out of my nerves, I
38:25
Speaker 1: send them home. Okay, So let me get this. There's
38:28
Speaker 1: only a problem when the parents that get involved. It's
38:31
Speaker 1: also my understanding, Steve Helling, and you're the expert in
38:34
Speaker 1: the facts. But didn't their pastor tell them their sons
38:38
Speaker 1: possessed by demons? Yes? Absolutely, and so you know, obviously
38:42
Speaker 1: there was this church environment that thought that that was
38:45
Speaker 1: an appropriate thing to say about a seven year old kid.
38:47
Speaker 1: Ashley Wilcott not only renowned child advocate but also practicing
38:51
Speaker 1: lawyer or former judge. Ashley question, there's got to be
38:56
Speaker 1: a way to charge this preacher. I know that's not
38:59
Speaker 1: a popular alert theory, but to me, he's part and
39:02
Speaker 1: parcel of it. He's the one that told the family this,
39:04
Speaker 1: they believed it. He's in a position of authority, they
39:07
Speaker 1: bought into it, and they abandoned the baby. That's exactly
39:10
Speaker 1: what I was going to say, is where's the liability
39:12
Speaker 1: of this preacher and criminal charges? I believe even under
39:15
Speaker 1: the Texas Statute, they could charge him with child and
39:18
Speaker 1: endangerment because of his saying this child's possessed by demons.
39:22
Speaker 1: What else did he say? Possessed by demons, could never
39:25
Speaker 1: be cured, Get him out of your house. Who knows
39:26
Speaker 1: what he said. I absolutely think he should be charged.
39:29
Speaker 1: You know, again, looking at these people I'm talking about
39:32
Speaker 1: this couple. This East Texas couple who kicked their seven
39:36
Speaker 1: year old son out of the house, insisting he's possessed
39:38
Speaker 1: by demons, also telling him never to return. The couple
39:43
Speaker 1: live in Hooks, Texas. I'm looking at them right now,
39:47
Speaker 1: and the husband, Ronald Keith Wright, he looks like he
39:50
Speaker 1: should put on a suit and go to work at
39:52
Speaker 1: the bank. The deputies were called by a neighbor in
39:55
Speaker 1: a church parking lot near the Rights home. They claimed
39:59
Speaker 1: the Rights boy had spent almost the whole day playing
40:02
Speaker 1: with their son. He left around dinner time, but he
40:05
Speaker 1: came back ten minutes later. Can you imagine that you
40:08
Speaker 1: go home, it's dark outside, your parents say, look, we
40:12
Speaker 1: told you to leave and don't come back, and all
40:14
Speaker 1: the doors and windows are locked. So the kid turns
40:17
Speaker 1: around and trudges back to the neighbor's house. Earlier, a
40:20
Speaker 1: neighbor had said that he had driven by driven the
40:23
Speaker 1: boy back home, and he actually saw the dad out
40:26
Speaker 1: front in the yard. He could see the family was home,
40:31
Speaker 1: so he let the boy out of the truck. The
40:34
Speaker 1: boy came back to the neighbor's home crying and said
40:38
Speaker 1: his parents told him again to go away and never
40:41
Speaker 1: come back home. The neighbor says that the mom and dad,
40:46
Speaker 1: Randy right is the mom had discussed their son with
40:50
Speaker 1: their a preacher, a preacher who told them the boy
40:53
Speaker 1: was possessed by a demon. When deputies asked whether this
40:57
Speaker 1: couple used meth meth amphetamine, they were told it was
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Speaker 1: quote more of a hobby. Steve Helling, investigative reporter with
41:05
Speaker 1: People Magazine. Maybe I'm wrong, but everybody I know or
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Speaker 1: know of that has used meth ends up looking starved.
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Speaker 1: They look like they're about eighty years old, covered in
41:18
Speaker 1: bug bites that they've scratched till they bleed on their face.
41:21
Speaker 1: That's what I know about meth. And once you start,
41:24
Speaker 1: you can't stop. It's over. Plus your hair falls out.
41:27
Speaker 1: Ashley FYI, Okay, so how Steve Helling, People Magazine, is
41:32
Speaker 1: this a hobby? They don't look like meth heads from
41:34
Speaker 1: their mug shots. Now they don't. They really don't. But
41:37
Speaker 1: I've got to say, you don't do meth as a hobby.
41:39
Speaker 1: You go bowling as a hobby. Clearly, if they're starting,
41:42
Speaker 1: they could be in the beginning of using math, which
41:45
Speaker 1: could account for why it's been seven years and they
41:47
Speaker 1: haven't kicked the kid out yet, and now they are.
41:50
Speaker 1: You know, this could just be something new that they're doing.
41:52
Speaker 1: That's a big question to me, Steve Helling. Do we
41:54
Speaker 1: know if there are other children in the home. I
41:56
Speaker 1: believe that there are. We don't know. I don't know
41:58
Speaker 1: their ages or that type of thing, but you know,
42:01
Speaker 1: there are references in local media too. You know their family,
42:05
Speaker 1: and it sounds like there's probably other children. If they are,
42:09
Speaker 1: you know, then does that mean that they selected one
42:11
Speaker 1: and decided that this one needed to go? I don't know.
42:14
Speaker 1: You know, another issue here, and these are not young
42:17
Speaker 1: parents like you know, they're not nineteen or eighteen, and
42:21
Speaker 1: you think, well, they're idiots because they don't know any better.
42:23
Speaker 1: This is a fifty six year old man, Ronald Right,
42:26
Speaker 1: and his thirty nine year old wife, Randy Right forces
42:30
Speaker 1: that means physically pushes kicks the young son out of
42:34
Speaker 1: their home and was told by the mom and stepfather
42:37
Speaker 1: he's being kicked out of the house because he's possessed
42:40
Speaker 1: by demons. That's a whole another can of worms. Ashley
42:43
Speaker 1: Willcott child advocate, because in all the years that I
42:46
Speaker 1: prosecuted child molestations, child abuse, child murder the mother without fail.
42:53
Speaker 1: I'm talking ten years a felony, child abuse and murder
42:58
Speaker 1: cases without the mother stood by the lover, husband, live
43:04
Speaker 1: in boyfriend, x, stepfather, whatever he was. Always took the
43:09
Speaker 1: husband's side, the man's side, over the child. Can you
43:13
Speaker 1: like shed some light on that for me? Asked she,
43:14
Speaker 1: Because to this day I don't get it. I don't
43:16
Speaker 1: get it, and I don't think that there are any
43:18
Speaker 1: research projects that indicate why. But it is true statistically,
43:22
Speaker 1: it is true they stand by their partner and put
43:26
Speaker 1: that over the needs of the children, and they fail
43:28
Speaker 1: to protect their own children. And it is significant to
43:31
Speaker 1: note in my opinion that this is a stepfather of
43:33
Speaker 1: the child. That doesn't mean anything to me other than
43:37
Speaker 1: she is choosing him over the child. Now think about too,
43:41
Speaker 1: if there are other children, this is probably the target child, right,
43:46
Speaker 1: But what are they saying to any other children in
43:49
Speaker 1: the home if they do have others to make them
43:51
Speaker 1: not even open the door for their brother. So there's
43:54
Speaker 1: other aspects of child and dangerment that I would submit
43:57
Speaker 1: they've committed against other children if they're in life, you
43:59
Speaker 1: know it. It reminds me two things. Remind me to
44:01
Speaker 1: come back to Adrian Jones Ashley Steve Helling. That's the
44:04
Speaker 1: case that we've been covering for quite a while where
44:06
Speaker 1: the little boy, I think he was seven as well,
44:09
Speaker 1: was ultimately murdered, but he was abused horribly right for
44:13
Speaker 1: his death. The parents made him stay outside overnight in
44:17
Speaker 1: a pool up to cold water up to his neck
44:20
Speaker 1: all night with his arms over his head, and then
44:23
Speaker 1: watch him on the video surveillance to see if he'd
44:25
Speaker 1: lower his arms all night, and he was out there
44:28
Speaker 1: begging to eat, begging to come in. That made him
44:31
Speaker 1: live in a shower stall. That's just the tip of
44:33
Speaker 1: the iceberg. He had so many broken bones, I can't
44:36
Speaker 1: even count them. I want to come back to him,
44:39
Speaker 1: Adrian Jones. But I remember Steve so vividly. I was
44:44
Speaker 1: actually prosecuting a murder case and the victim was the
44:50
Speaker 1: brother of an apd in on a police department, so
44:54
Speaker 1: you know, I investigated it out the ying yang. During
44:57
Speaker 1: that trial, I learned that the sister of the victim
45:02
Speaker 1: had been molested her whole life. It was a big
45:05
Speaker 1: family and they had oh I don't know, seven or
45:09
Speaker 1: eight maybe more children. She was singled out. She was
45:13
Speaker 1: the one that was molested, and it traumatized her the
45:17
Speaker 1: rest of her life because not only the dad, according
45:21
Speaker 1: to her, molest her all those years in the home.
45:24
Speaker 1: The mother knew about it. That is the first time,
45:27
Speaker 1: and that was in an unrelated murder case. I mean
45:30
Speaker 1: it was tangentially related, but I wasn't prosecuting a child molestation.
45:34
Speaker 1: But I couldn't understand for all these years. You know,
45:37
Speaker 1: your girl, you know, four years old, five years old,
45:40
Speaker 1: six years up until she leaves the home, is being
45:42
Speaker 1: molested in the worst way by the father, right, I mean,
45:47
Speaker 1: at the very least I'd kick him out and report
45:51
Speaker 1: him to police, at the very least. You know what
45:53
Speaker 1: I'm saying, Ashley, I was just gonna say, you do
45:56
Speaker 1: more than that. But yeah, I don't want to hear
45:57
Speaker 1: you described my murder plans. Sadly, I've given away most
46:02
Speaker 1: of my murder ideas in my Murder Mistress. So anyway,
46:06
Speaker 1: I don't get the moms standing by while this is happening. Here,
46:11
Speaker 1: she's standing by while the stepfather's kicking her baby out
46:14
Speaker 1: of the house. What is wrong with her? I think, Nancy,
46:17
Speaker 1: that there's this weird dynamic a lot of times with
46:20
Speaker 1: these women who have these kids that do this, and
46:23
Speaker 1: my wife will will argue with me if I'm giving
46:26
Speaker 1: the kids too much junk food, you know. So it's
46:28
Speaker 1: amazing to me that these women don't don't stand up
46:32
Speaker 1: for their own children. Guys. I'm taking a look right
46:35
Speaker 1: now at the what is the tech Sarcana Gazette, and
46:39
Speaker 1: I'm looking at these pictures of Ronald Keith Wright and
46:42
Speaker 1: Randy Joe right. And the reason I keep talking about this,
46:46
Speaker 1: I swear they look like they just came off the
46:48
Speaker 1: tennis court or they're heading to their corporate jobs. It
46:51
Speaker 1: really shows to me, Ashley Wilcought, you cannot judge a
46:55
Speaker 1: book by its cover, right, Absolutely not. And do you
46:57
Speaker 1: remember there was it was a People article, and it
47:00
Speaker 1: was a few years ago at least, but there was
47:02
Speaker 1: a group of soccer moms, beautiful women taking care of
47:06
Speaker 1: their kids, doing all of the work in the home,
47:09
Speaker 1: and they started doing meth. You all remember this story,
47:13
Speaker 1: and if you looked at their pictures, you would never
47:15
Speaker 1: in a millionaires realize they were using meth. But again,
47:19
Speaker 1: the pictures were taken before it became such an obsession
47:23
Speaker 1: that they were using it on a constant basis, and
47:26
Speaker 1: it altered their looks. So you know, meth does affect
47:29
Speaker 1: your physical looks, but not initially, not if you're doing
47:32
Speaker 1: it periodically. But I do think these parents in this case,
47:35
Speaker 1: regardless of how they look, they've admitted to using meth.
47:38
Speaker 1: You cannot assume these irrational individuals who are going to
47:40
Speaker 1: protect a child. Well, here's the other kicker. They're out
47:43
Speaker 1: on bond. You throw your seven year old who can't
47:46
Speaker 1: take care of himself, they are out on bond. You know,
47:49
Speaker 1: statistics show there are nearly seventy thousand children who are
47:54
Speaker 1: confirmed victims of child to be neglect in Texas alone,
47:59
Speaker 1: nearly seven tventy thousand. And guess what, nearly eighty percent
48:02
Speaker 1: of those the abuser is their parents. Well, all I
48:06
Speaker 1: can say is for these two I'm talking about Ronald
48:10
Speaker 1: Right and Randy J. Wright, I got a pretty good
48:12
Speaker 1: feeling you're going to end up where you belong, Hell,
48:15
Speaker 1: with a little pit stop in the jailhouse. This is Texas,
48:19
Speaker 1: and they don't play. I'm really surprised they're even out
48:21
Speaker 1: on bond. I swish I could put my arms around
48:23
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