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Speaker 1: Good evening and welcome to The Bolt Report. I'm James McPherson.
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Speaker 1: Here's what's coming up tonight. The Prime Minister tries to
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Speaker 1: backtrack after letting slip what he dubbed the truth about
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Speaker 1: his digital duty of care laws. That was during a
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Speaker 1: speech at the United Nations. Turns out it's not just
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Speaker 1: about protecting the kids. Senior One Nation MP Barnaby Joyce
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Speaker 1: will react to that and much more shortly. Shadow Energy
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Speaker 1: Minister Dan Tehan will join the program to explain the
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Speaker 1: Coalition's antidote to Labor's green nightmare, and he'll also respond
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Speaker 1: to Malcolm Turnbull's criticism of the plan. You will not
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Speaker 1: want to miss that. Plus, with the state elections so close,
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Speaker 1: are the Victorian Liberals at risk of being distracted? Today
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Speaker 1: we saw reports they want to use ministerial powers to
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Speaker 1: stop the AFL from staging a night grand final. My
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Speaker 1: panel will discuss that later on. And remember that selfie
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Speaker 1: Anthony Albanese took with Donald Trump at the United Nations? Well,
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Speaker 1: it wasn't quite the catch-up our Prime Minister has made
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Speaker 1: it out to be. I'll show you exactly where that
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Speaker 1: photo was taken a little later in the show. But first,
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Speaker 1: in my view, the Prime Minister has three problems. Now,
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Speaker 1: I know what you're thinking, Jim Chalmers, Chris Bowen and
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Speaker 1: Annika Wells. But I mean, aside from those three problems,
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Speaker 1: there's three more. His love of grandstanding, his loose lips
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Speaker 1: and his propensity to lie when he finds himself in trouble.
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Speaker 1: And all three problems collided overnight when on the world
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Speaker 1: stage in New York, he said the quiet bit out loud.
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Speaker 1: And then when confronted about it, well... You know what
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Speaker 1: he does. The Global Citizen of the Year was holding
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Speaker 1: court alongside French President Emmanuel Macron as he explained his
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Speaker 1: world leading legislation to ban children from accessing social media. Now,
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Speaker 1: the fact the legislation hasn't really worked was rather beside
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Speaker 1: the point. The rest of the world doesn't know that.
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Speaker 1: And what matters is that it's world first and it
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Speaker 1: allows Western leaders who've long given up securing their borders
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Speaker 1: to at least claim to be erecting a sovereign border
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Speaker 1: around Facebook. The other great thing about the under-16 social
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Speaker 1: media ban is it provides the perfect gateway for the
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Speaker 1: next instalment. For the sake of the kids, of course.
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Speaker 1: Because once government has established that it can regulate what
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Speaker 1: children see online, well, it's only a short stroll to
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Speaker 1: explaining what adults should see. for the sake of the children, naturally.
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Speaker 1: And you know how these things work. I mean, one
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Speaker 1: regulation leads to another regulation. One exception becomes a framework.
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Speaker 1: One temporary measure becomes a permanent institution. And before long,
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Speaker 1: the government's standing at the front door of the internet,
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Speaker 1: firmly holding the keys, while giving you, in a gentle voice,
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Speaker 1: an assurance that it's all about giving you more freedom.
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Speaker 1: So Anthony Albanese, clearly enjoying his moment as the international
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Speaker 1: statesman of screen time, decided to tell the world about
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Speaker 1: the government's latest online intervention.
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Speaker 2: We call it My Feed My Way. And that is
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Speaker 2: legislation that will enable people of any age to be
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Speaker 2: able to control whether they want the algorithms to come
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Speaker 2: through on their devices or not, or whether they can
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Speaker 2: choose to.
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Speaker 2: Just receive the feeds of people who they follow and
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Speaker 2: to be in charge.
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Speaker 1: The Prime Minister then acknowledged, unprompted, that not everyone was
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Speaker 1: thrilled about his attempt to regulate algorithms, not least of
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Speaker 1: which is the Trump administration, who slammed the move as
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Speaker 1: coming dangerously close to censorship. But they've all got it wrong,
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Speaker 1: Elbow told those assembled.
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Speaker 2: The criticism of this legislation is not surprising that this
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Speaker 2: is about government control. It is the opposite of that.
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Speaker 2: It's about giving everyone a control over their own lives.
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Speaker 1: All this Labor government wants is to give everyone control
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Speaker 1: over their own lives. That's an interesting philosophy from a
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Speaker 1: government that regulates what employers can ask of staff, what
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Speaker 1: cars manufacturers can sell, and what environmental rules apply to
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Speaker 1: your property. But I digress. The PM could have stopped there,
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Speaker 1: but remember I said he loves a stage? Figuratively, I mean.
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Speaker 1: He has a history of falling off real ones, not
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Speaker 1: that he'd ever tell you. And remember I said he
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Speaker 1: has loose lips, so given a global stage and loving
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Speaker 1: all the attention, Albanese wandered into the weeds and kept going.
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Speaker 2: It's an inevitable next stage because whilst today we're concentrating
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Speaker 2: on the impact on children, the truth is this is
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Speaker 2: having an impact on our entire society and how it
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Speaker 2: functions with misinformation, disinformation, with the increased polarisation that we're
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Speaker 2: seeing as well. in the political system where people are
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Speaker 2: moving away from the centre and more and more to
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Speaker 2: the extremes, be they of the left or the right.
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Speaker 2: And that is why we think that this is a
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Speaker 2: very positive move that we're being put forward.
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Speaker 1: Whoa, did he just say the quiet part out loud?
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Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure he just said the next stage after
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Speaker 1: the under-16 social media ban was dealing with misinformation and disinformation,
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Speaker 1: which are very rubbery terms. And I'm pretty sure he
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Speaker 1: said the next stage, which is the digital duty of care,
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Speaker 1: was a positive move he's put forward to deal with
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Speaker 1: what he sees as a problem in the political system,
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Speaker 1: people moving to what he considers to be extremes, which
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Speaker 1: sounds a lot like... One nation? This is the very
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Speaker 1: thing so many of us in Australia have been concerned about.
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Speaker 1: And this is the very thing the Trump administration just
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Speaker 1: this week have warned about. Whatever the PM says, the
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Speaker 1: draft legislation of his digital duty of care contains a
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Speaker 1: provision allowing the communications minister to designate additional forms of
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Speaker 1: harm beyond what's written in the legislation, which means... the
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Speaker 1: government isn't merely writing rules about the internet, it's creating
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Speaker 1: a mechanism by which the rules can grow. Digital duty
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Speaker 1: of care, thy name is Trojan horse, or at least
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Speaker 1: sounds a lot like that. Well, today, journalists asked the
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Speaker 1: Prime Minister about the rather obvious connection that he'd just made.
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Speaker 1: Why was he proposing to limit what kinds of political
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Speaker 1: messages people could see online? And suddenly, well, the memory
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Speaker 1: hole opened.
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Speaker 3: Well, it's nonsense.
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Speaker 1: People have.
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Speaker 2: This isn't about government control at all. It's not about
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Speaker 2: misinformation or disinformation. What this is about is giving people control.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, we know that's the government line, except forgetting
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Speaker 1: himself in the presence of other world leaders. Hadn't Albanese
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Speaker 1: linked his digital duty of care with an attempt to
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Speaker 1: deal with what he clearly articulated were the problems of
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Speaker 1: misinformation and disinformation and so-called political extremes?
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Speaker 3: Why did you link the two yesterday?
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Speaker 2: I didn't link the two yesterday.
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Speaker 4: I didn't link the two.
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Speaker 1: And that's where Elbow's third problem kicks in. He says things,
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Speaker 1: and then when those things become inconvenient, he tells you
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Speaker 1: he didn't say them because he most certainly did link
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Speaker 1: his digital duty of care with a move to combat
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Speaker 1: messaging he doesn't like. You heard it with your ears. Now,
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Speaker 1: let me show you with your eyes. He said the
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Speaker 1: digital duty of care was, and I'm quoting here, an
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Speaker 1: inevitable next stage because with misinformation and disinformation, as well
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Speaker 1: in the political system where people are moving away from
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Speaker 1: the centre to the extremes, be they of the left
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Speaker 1: or the right. And that is why we think that
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Speaker 1: this is a very positive move that we're putting forward.
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Speaker 1: I don't believe your lying eyes or your lying ears.
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Speaker 2: I didn't link the two yesterday. I didn't link the two.
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Speaker 1: Prime Minister, you clearly linked the two. Just like you
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Speaker 1: clearly promised $ 275 off power bills, clearly fell off the stage,
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Speaker 1: clearly said you wouldn't change capital gains tax and clearly
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Speaker 1: referenced the Japanese Prime Minister's melons.
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Speaker 2: I spoke about the technological challenges which are facing the world.
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Speaker 2: And one of the issues that is facing the world
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Speaker 2: is increased polarisation. And there is no question that social
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Speaker 2: media is playing a role in that. Now, that's a
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Speaker 2: very different question from then government taking action to control
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Speaker 2: what you receive.
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Speaker 1: I love how the only person who continually takes the
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Speaker 1: prime minister's words out of context seems to be the
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Speaker 1: prime minister. So having told us that we certainly hadn't
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Speaker 1: heard him say what he'd very clearly said, he then
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Speaker 1: employed a common but highly effective rhetorical trick. Having told
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Speaker 1: the lie, he then quickly changed the subject, pretending it's
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Speaker 1: the same subject.
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Speaker 2: Now, If people want to receive far right or far
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Speaker 2: left material, we're seeing a massive rise. We've seen with
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Speaker 2: the rise of anti-Semitism, with the look at anyone's feed,
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Speaker 2: look at my feed at random of any site, and
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Speaker 2: I can be talking about the football and I will
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Speaker 2: have something on there that is full of hateful rhetoric.
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Speaker 1: So that's just a fact. And as public.
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Speaker 2: Office holders, I think we have a responsibility to talk
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Speaker 2: about that.
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Speaker 1: I love the way he threw anti-Semitism in there as
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Speaker 1: if the Albanese government that had to be dragged kicking
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Speaker 1: and screaming to call the Royal Commission into anti-Semitism suddenly
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Speaker 1: sees it as a first order issue. We all know
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Speaker 1: why he mentioned that, because no one's going to argue
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Speaker 1: that anti-Semitic material should be published online. except anti-Semitism had
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Speaker 1: exactly nothing to do with the subject at hand, which
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Speaker 1: is exactly why the PM threw it in there. Me,
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Speaker 1: wanting to use the digital duty of care to control
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Speaker 1: the political narrative? Look over there, anti-Semitism. and they want
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Speaker 1: us to give them the keys to the internet. They
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Speaker 1: have got to be joking. Joining me now is One
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Speaker 1: Nation MP and former Deputy Prime Minister Barnaby Joyce. Barnaby,
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Speaker 1: thanks for coming on the program. Has the Prime Minister
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Speaker 1: been caught out by his own words once again?
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Speaker 3: I'm going to translate for you.
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Speaker 5: Misinformation and disinformation is labour language for Pauline Hanson and
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Speaker 5: Barnaby Joyce. That's what misinformation and disinformation is. And later on,
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Speaker 5: it'll be you, James. And later on, it'll be someone else,
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Speaker 5: some of your listeners. This is the censoring of the
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Speaker 5: public square. It is saying, I don't concur.
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Speaker 3: With the views of other people. So I'll say their
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Speaker 3: views are illegal. It's all William. It's disgraceful. We have
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Speaker 3: to be incredibly careful about.
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Speaker 5: This because what we are seeing, by his own words,
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Speaker 5: is he's putting out the stalking horse of protecting children,
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Speaker 5: and there's a form of virtue in that. But we
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Speaker 5: know his ultimate goal, the Labor goal, the socialist goal,
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Speaker 5: is to hold power by just banning discordant voices, that is,
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Speaker 5: any person who disagrees with socialism.
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Speaker 1: You said that when the PM refers to misinformation and disinformation,
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Speaker 1: he's referring to One Nation. What about when he talks about,
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Speaker 1: you know, we need to do something to stop the
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Speaker 1: political extremes? What do you think he's talking about there?
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Speaker 5: Well, you've seen me for a while and I think
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Speaker 5: your viewers have known me for a while.
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Speaker 3: Do you see me as extreme?
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Speaker 5: Do you look and say, well, there is obviously a
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Speaker 5: person who is a fascist or an anti-Semite or... No,
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Speaker 5: we have a strong view. We are conservatives. And I
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Speaker 5: can understand why you would not want, you know, the
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Speaker 5: Nazi Party or something on there. Got that completely. But
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Speaker 5: I just don't trust them. I don't trust them because
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Speaker 5: they don't tell the truth. And when people have proven
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Speaker 5: themselves to be liars... You've got to be really, really
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Speaker 5: careful when they give warrants as to their future actions.
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Speaker 3: You must dismiss them because you say, I just don't
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Speaker 3: trust you. You're a liar.
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Speaker 1: And that's the problem when you've got a government that
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Speaker 1: you legitimately don't trust asking to start policing the internet.
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Speaker 1: You'd just be mad to hand over the keys. Speaking
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Speaker 1: of which... Was it pure coincidence the PM just happened
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Speaker 1: to be in New York promoting the regulation of AI
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Speaker 1: when he finally decided to tell us about an open
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Speaker 1: AI agent hacking into Medicare data? Because, I mean, he'd
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Speaker 1: known about this for a couple of weeks. I'm not
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Speaker 1: saying it's not something that needs to be addressed, but
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Speaker 1: just the timing was curious.
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Speaker 3: Yes. Look, all this stuff looks like, to be quite frank, propaganda.
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Speaker 5: What they've done is they've said, that's useful for us
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Speaker 5: to achieve our objective and which is censorship, and we'll
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Speaker 5: roll this material out when it suits our objective. The
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Speaker 5: Australian people had a right to know about that. I mean,
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Speaker 5: I know it's aggregated information, that is, information from all sources.
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Speaker 3: It's not.
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Speaker 5: Specific information. But the Australian people had a right to
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Speaker 5: know about that immediately.
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Speaker 4: If.
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Speaker 5: Richard Miles comes out and says, don't worry, it's aggregated information,
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Speaker 5: it's not your personal details.
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Speaker 3: Well, why did you wait till now to tell us? Well,
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Speaker 3: what is that about?
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Speaker 5: Except you're utilising that for your own political purpose. And
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Speaker 5: that just rings even more alarm bells as to why
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Speaker 5: we can't trust you and why these new censorship laws,
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Speaker 5: and let's call them for what they are, We must
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Speaker 5: fight against them because, James, it's only a matter of
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Speaker 5: time before, you know, the police turn up at Sky
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Speaker 5: News at night and say, well, you know, you be careful,
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Speaker 5: be careful what you say, you know.
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Speaker 3: We'll let you get away with it this time, but.
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Speaker 3: A little bit of a jail term coming your way, mate.
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Speaker 1: Barnaby, if they turn up at Sky News, it'll be fine.
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Speaker 1: We're News 24 now, so it'll all be good.
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Speaker 3: Sorry, sorry, News 24.
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Speaker 1: No, no, the government... Don't tell them. The government announced
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Speaker 1: today a special task force to examine Australia's security against
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Speaker 1: AI threats. Good move. But given that Albanese had been
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Speaker 1: telling the whole world that AI is a threat, it's
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Speaker 1: a wonder the government hadn't thought to examine our own
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Speaker 1: security until it was breached.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, well.
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Speaker 5: What we've seen here, I mean, AI is a threat,
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Speaker 5: and totalitarian regimes such as the Communist Party in China,
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Speaker 5: they're not in the realm of following the laws and
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Speaker 5: edicts of Australia or the United States. They are going
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Speaker 5: flat out to develop themselves, and they'll use every strategic
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Speaker 5: advantage at their disposal, and we hope that they would understand...
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Speaker 5: Because people have got to understand, this is like a
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Speaker 5: computer program that thinks for itself, that can become the
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Speaker 5: programmers of better forms of itself, that has its own
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Speaker 5: views that do not require human interaction, and their own
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Speaker 5: views can determine its own actions, its own actions. And
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Speaker 5: so it is, there is quite a bit of menace
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Speaker 5: in that. But I don't, I think that what you'll
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Speaker 5: have is censorship in Australia.
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Speaker 3: and still the.
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Speaker 5: Capacity for access to the problems of this from other
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Speaker 5: places because we have this thing called telephone, the internet,
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Speaker 5: and if you're not using it domestically, you're just going
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Speaker 5: to be reaching out and using it from overseas.
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Speaker 1: Anthony Albanese has inked a new $ 60 million security pact
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Speaker 1: with Ukraine after an emotional reunion with the Ukrainian president
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Speaker 1: at the UN. The deal includes $ 45 million in Australian
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Speaker 1: Defence Force equipment, $ 10 million for Ukraine's energy security, $ 5
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Speaker 1: million for humanitarian aid. Here's what the pair had to
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Speaker 1: say when they met.
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Speaker 2: Australia proudly stands with Ukraine. We made that commitment at
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Speaker 2: the very beginning of this conflict.
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Speaker 3: And we have not wavered and we will not waver.
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Speaker 6: Thank you for such great support from the very beginning
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Speaker 6: of this war.
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Speaker 1: Good use of money. Barnaby, are you happy about this?
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Speaker 5: Well, you know, I think, you know, obviously our sympathies
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Speaker 5: with Ukraine and there's.
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Speaker 3: No doubt about it, the provocateur in.
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Speaker 5: This is Russia. We have a lot of issues close
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Speaker 5: to home. We have a lot of issues close to home.
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Speaker 5: This is a European problem, and I understand that completely.
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Speaker 5: We have massive problems right on our back doorstep. So, yes,
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Speaker 5: we support Ukraine, but just realise that the thing that...
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Speaker 5: It's not the Russia-Ukraine war that's going to be an
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Speaker 5: issue for us. It's basically the projection of power by
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Speaker 5: a communist utilitarian regime that could be the.
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Speaker 3: quite frank, turn Australia into a vassal state.
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Speaker 1: Anthony Albanese was last night honoured with a Global Citizen Award.
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Speaker 3: Now, this is garbage.
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Speaker 1: I thought you might like this one. We've got a
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Speaker 1: photo here of him alongside 11 luminaries, including the Formula
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Speaker 1: One boss, a Grammy Award winner, and, of course, Keanu Reeves.
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Speaker 1: Was it deserved? What do you think about the photo?
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Speaker 3: It's just junk. It's just pedal junk. I mean, what
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Speaker 3: is this? This is fluff.
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Speaker 2: I mean....
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Speaker 5: You know who should be sitting in that front row?
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Speaker 5: Mr 20% popularity. That's what's there. I mean, it is
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Speaker 5: all the time you get this, James. They start as
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Speaker 5: the Prime Minister and then they evolve to be the
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Speaker 5: President and it culminates as they believe they're the King
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Speaker 5: and then they want adoration, adoration, regal adoration for the King,
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Speaker 5: for their....
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Speaker 3: Benevolent light for their godlike presence. It's garbage. Does anybody
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Speaker 3: in Australia give a toss about any of that rubbish?
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Speaker 1: I don't think so. Maybe Jodie does and I wouldn't
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Speaker 1: blame her if she did.
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Speaker 3: What's his pup's name? Toto or something like that.
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Speaker 1: Good luck to them. Hey, before you go, Barnaby, during
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Speaker 1: the week, big news after you revealed that you'd had
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Speaker 1: discussions with very high-ranking Liberals about a deal between the
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Speaker 1: Coalition and One Nation in the event of a hung Parliament.
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Speaker 1: Liberal after Liberal has come out one after another saying,
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Speaker 1: we've had nothing to do with this, we haven't heard
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Speaker 1: of this, it wasn't us.
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Speaker 3: Oh, yeah. James, yeah, obviously I make it up. You know,
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Speaker 3: I get bored of you. You make this rubbish up. Look,
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Speaker 3: the question you pose back to.
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Speaker 5: Them is saying, are you seriously saying, are you seriously
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Speaker 5: contemplating that if you required.
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Speaker 5: If you were almost there and you required the numbers
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Speaker 5: from One Nation to get.
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Speaker 3: of supply and confidence, we're not going to go into
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Speaker 3: coalition with them. We're our own party.
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Speaker 5: We are going to stand in every seat, but we
19:01
Speaker 5: want to get rid of the socialists. So you're saying
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Speaker 5: to us, Coalition, that if we got close... you wouldn't
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Speaker 5: take the numbers for confidence and supply of us. Please
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Speaker 5: just look down the barrel and say you would never
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Speaker 5: do that because we know it's garbage. We know absolutely
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Speaker 5: you're discussing this behind closed doors and we know absolutely
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Speaker 5: there are people from the Liberal Party and, you know,
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Speaker 5: possibly the National Party who are discussing it with people.
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Speaker 3: From One Nation.
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Speaker 5: And if they didn't, they're reprehensible because our goal is
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Speaker 5: to get rid of the socialists. We don't really want
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Speaker 5: to get rid of the Liberal Party or the Coalition.
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Speaker 3: We want to get rid of the socialists.
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Speaker 5: And I get that feel not only from political figures
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Speaker 5: but from senior business people, from people on the ground,
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Speaker 5: from farmers, from pensioners, saying, I want this socialist government gone.
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Speaker 1: Barnaby, we've got to go to a break, but just quickly,
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Speaker 1: I don't doubt you when you... say that these talks
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Speaker 1: have happened. Why, just quickly, would so many Liberals be
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Speaker 1: saying they have not happened? Why are they denying it?
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Speaker 5: Because there's this fraction, James, between the moderates and the
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Speaker 5: conservatives within the coalition and the moderates, which are.
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Speaker 3: Sort of the soft left.
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Speaker 5: They get all bent out of shape because they don't
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Speaker 5: know how they're going to deal with the G &
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Speaker 5: T parties on the yachts on the harbour if they
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Speaker 5: say they're talking to One Nation, who they see as
20:14
Speaker 5: regional bucolic kitsch. But the reality of the situation is
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Speaker 5: that at times we're either the highest polling party or
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Speaker 5: the second highest polling party, and our goal is to
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Speaker 5: get rid of the socialists.
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Speaker 3: And we hope that some form of... sanity starts to
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Speaker 3: descend on the coalition.
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Speaker 5: And rather than attacking us and dismissing us, we work
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Speaker 5: to the common purpose of removing socialism from Australia.
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Speaker 1: Barnaby Joyce, always great to catch up. Appreciate you joining
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Speaker 1: me tonight. Have a great weekend. All right, after the break,
20:43
Speaker 1: Shadow Energy Minister Dan Tehan will join us to talk
20:46
Speaker 1: about the coalition's brand-new energy policy, a policy that none
20:49
Speaker 1: other than Malcolm Turnbull describes as idiocy. Dan Tehan joins
20:54
Speaker 1: me after this. Welcome back to the program. On last
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Speaker 1: night's show, we discussed the federal opposition's brand new energy policy,
21:03
Speaker 1: which promises to end Labor's green energy nightmare. If elected,
21:07
Speaker 1: the coalition would dump net zero, scrap emissions taxes on cars,
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Speaker 1: abolish offshore wind zones and lift the ban on nuclear energy.
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Speaker 1: Here to tell us all about it is the Shadow
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Speaker 1: Energy and Emissions Reduction Minister, Dan Tehan. Dan, thanks for
21:22
Speaker 1: joining me on the program. I guess I'm really fascinated
21:26
Speaker 1: as to how you and Angus Taylor will convince Australians
21:30
Speaker 1: of the need for nuclear power when Peter Dutton and
21:33
Speaker 1: Ted O'Brien weren't able to make the case.
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Speaker 6: Well, the approach that we're going to take, James, is
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Speaker 6: a very sensible one, a very practical one.
21:42
Speaker 3: What we want to do.
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Speaker 6: Is convince Australians to start with that we should lift
21:47
Speaker 6: the ban. And what is there to worry about, about
21:51
Speaker 6: lifting the ban? That way we can work out whether
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Speaker 6: it is economical, whether it is secure, whether it does
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Speaker 6: provide the baseline power that we're going to need into
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Speaker 6: the future. And what I say to the Labor Party is,
22:05
Speaker 6: what's wrong with lifting the ban? I mean, the fact
22:09
Speaker 6: is every other industrial country in the world is using
22:13
Speaker 6: nuclear energy. There's a nuclear renaissance taking place in the
22:17
Speaker 6: United States. It's taking place across Asia, throughout Europe. Why
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Speaker 6: can't we be part of that conversation? Why should we
22:26
Speaker 6: allow our great innovation, our great technology, our great nuclear
22:31
Speaker 6: engineers have to go to the US to pursue their dreams?
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Speaker 6: Why shouldn't we think about doing that here in Australia,
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Speaker 6: especially when in a couple of years we're going to
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Speaker 6: have nuclear-powered submarines calling at our ports and no one
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Speaker 6: seems at all concerned by that. I mean, it's nonsensical
22:52
Speaker 6: and we're going to say to the Australian people, why
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Speaker 6: not just lift the ban and if it can work,
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Speaker 6: it's got social licence and it can provide the baseload
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Speaker 6: power that we need, why shouldn't we give it a go?
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Speaker 1: And hopefully we get a more mature debate than last
23:08
Speaker 1: time when we had Labor and Green politicians posting photos
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Speaker 1: of three-eyed fish and so on and so forth. Queensland
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Speaker 1: Premier David Crisafulli, I mean, they're sitting on so much
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Speaker 1: uranium in Queensland. He was asked whether he supported lifting
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Speaker 1: the nuclear ban during the week. Here's what he said.
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Speaker 7: That's an argument for Canberra.
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Speaker 1: Canberra can have that argument.
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Speaker 7: And if they do, and when they do, they can
23:32
Speaker 7: debate that in a civilised way. And what we've seen
23:35
Speaker 7: today from the Coalition, from the opposition, is depth in
23:38
Speaker 7: plan in actually starting to articulate what an energy policy
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Speaker 7: looks like.
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Speaker 3: Good on them.
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Speaker 1: Are you disappointed he seems to be sitting on the
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Speaker 1: fence right when you need everyone on the front foot
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Speaker 1: selling the plan? It's a matter for Canberra, let them
23:52
Speaker 1: sort it out and then we'll talk. I would have
23:54
Speaker 1: thought you'd want, you know, your Queensland Premier right on
23:59
Speaker 1: the forefront of this argument and making the debate.
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Speaker 6: Look, he's got a number of issues that he's dealing
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Speaker 6: with and I can understand the state and territory saying, well,
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Speaker 6: let's see whether they can lift the ban first nationally
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Speaker 6: and then we can decide whether we want to follow.
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Speaker 3: And, you know, I'm.
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Speaker 6: Perfectly up to the task, as is Angus Taylor, as
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Speaker 6: is the Coalition, of presenting the case as to why
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Speaker 6: we should do it nationally, because that's where we do
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Speaker 6: have to start. So let us make the case. Let
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Speaker 6: us win the argument. We're more than happy to do that.
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Speaker 6: And then what we can do is we can then
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Speaker 6: convince the state and territories, and especially when you know
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Speaker 6: we're sitting on a third of the world's uranium. Why
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Speaker 6: wouldn't we want to use that natural resource ourselves? I mean,
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Speaker 6: you'll remember Anthony Albanese, I think it was probably about
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Speaker 6: four or five weeks ago, heralding the fact that we're
24:53
Speaker 6: going to be selling uranium to India. Now, why would
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Speaker 6: we herald the fact that we're.
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Speaker 3: Going to send it to India?
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Speaker 1: And good luck to India, and they're smart.
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Speaker 6: And I've got to say, Prime Minister Modi is a
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Speaker 6: serious world leader. So I can understand them wanting to
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Speaker 6: use our resource.
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Speaker 3: But Prime Minister?
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Speaker 6: Why shouldn't we use it ourselves? I mean, it's such
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Speaker 6: a logical question and that's where I want to start.
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Speaker 6: I want to be having those arguments with the Federal
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Speaker 6: Labor Party and anti-Albanese and try and get a straight
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Speaker 6: answer from him as to why is it great if
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Speaker 6: India can use it, then why shouldn't we?
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Speaker 1: I totally hear what you're saying. I totally agree. I
25:32
Speaker 1: just can't understand why the conservative Premier of Queensland wouldn't
25:38
Speaker 1: be standing shoulder to shoulder with you rather than sitting
25:41
Speaker 1: back and saying, well, you know, come to me when
25:43
Speaker 1: they've figured it out. Malcolm Turnbull is not standing shoulder
25:46
Speaker 1: to shoulder with you. He emerged back into public view
25:50
Speaker 1: just in time to attack the your newly released energy policy.
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Speaker 1: He claims it won't make electricity cheaper or more reliable.
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Speaker 1: And he says your plan is not based on practical principles.
26:01
Speaker 1: Speaking to the Australian Financial Review, he said, and I quote,
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Speaker 1: energy policy should be determined by engineering and economics, not
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Speaker 1: ideology and idiocy. Bit rich from the guy who gave
26:12
Speaker 1: us Snowy 2.0, isn't it?
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Speaker 6: Well, I can tell you, I've just been at YLS today, James,
26:19
Speaker 6: and what they think is idiocy is is this green
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Speaker 6: dream that has been pursued by the Albanese Labor government
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Speaker 6: through Chief Spruiker Chris Bowen. They were promised secure jobs
26:33
Speaker 6: through green hydrogen before the last election.
26:37
Speaker 1: And you know what?
26:38
Speaker 6: Now, 650, and sadly, there could be another couple of
26:42
Speaker 6: hundred to go. That could be 850 jobs that disappeared
26:46
Speaker 6: because the green hydrogen dream has disappeared without trace, as
26:51
Speaker 6: has the Prime Minister. When those workers lost their jobs
26:54
Speaker 6: last week, Tom Venning asked the local member, who's doing
26:58
Speaker 6: an outstanding job on behalf of that community, asked the
27:01
Speaker 6: Prime Minister whether he'll front up to Wyala again to
27:05
Speaker 6: explain what's happened. And guess what the Prime Minister did?
27:08
Speaker 6: Jumped on a plane, couldn't get to New York quick enough. Meanwhile,
27:12
Speaker 6: those workers are left with an uncertain future. And not
27:17
Speaker 6: only that, the whole plant now has an uncertain future.
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Speaker 6: And that is idiocy on behalf of our nation because
27:26
Speaker 6: it makes structural steel, it makes construction steel. Without that steel,
27:32
Speaker 6: we lose a key sovereign capability. That is idiocy and
27:37
Speaker 6: that's what Albanese and Chris Bowen's green dream is leading
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Speaker 6: to here in Australia. So that's why I'm more than
27:45
Speaker 6: happy to stand by our energy policy and we will
27:50
Speaker 6: stand by it from here to the next election because
27:52
Speaker 6: I think it's a winner.
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Speaker 1: Dan Tehan, always enjoy talking. Thanks so much for joining
27:56
Speaker 1: me tonight. All right, coming up after the break, you'd
27:59
Speaker 1: think the Victorian Liberals would have bigger priorities than legislating
28:02
Speaker 1: what time of day the AFL grand final is played,
28:04
Speaker 1: but apparently that's a serious policy discussion. And you know
28:08
Speaker 1: that selfie Anthony Albanese took with Donald Trump at the
28:12
Speaker 1: United Nations? Well, after the break, I'll show you where
28:14
Speaker 1: that photo was taken. It wasn't quite the catch-up our
28:18
Speaker 1: PM made it out to be. That's next. Honestly, I
28:25
Speaker 1: can't believe this. The Victorian Liberals are reportedly exploring whether
28:29
Speaker 1: or not they could use ministerial powers to prevent the
28:32
Speaker 1: AFL from ever staging a night grand final. Is this
28:36
Speaker 1: seriously an election issue? And is this seriously something governments
28:40
Speaker 1: should be involved in? I mean, fix the damn potholes,
28:43
Speaker 1: get the budget back in the surplus, sort out the
28:45
Speaker 1: justice system and let the AFL worry about whether or
28:48
Speaker 1: not the grand final is played at 2.30pm or 7.30pm. But.
28:53
Speaker 1: This is where we are now, the Victorian Liberals exploring
28:55
Speaker 1: the idea of how they might save us from the
28:58
Speaker 1: menace of night football. What are the Victorian Liberals going
29:01
Speaker 1: to suggest next? That if elected, they'll reduce the 50
29:04
Speaker 1: metre penalty back to 15 metres? A royal commission into
29:06
Speaker 1: the disappearance of the torpedo punt? Laws forcing goal umpires
29:10
Speaker 1: to wear the old style hats and the white coats? Actually,
29:15
Speaker 1: I'd probably vote for that, to be honest. The Herald
29:18
Speaker 1: Sun reported today that a source close to Jess Wilson said,
29:21
Speaker 1: claimed the Libs were looking closely at a legal manoeuvre
29:24
Speaker 1: that if they were elected would prevent the biggest game
29:26
Speaker 1: of the year from being held at night. But the
29:29
Speaker 1: source also said the Libs would be happy for the
29:31
Speaker 1: game to start at 5.15pm, just not a match that
29:34
Speaker 1: started under lights, because nothing says serious public policy like
29:38
Speaker 1: arguing whether or not Sunset should occur before or after
29:41
Speaker 1: a leather bag of air is bounced in the centre
29:43
Speaker 1: of the MCG on the last Saturday of September. The
29:46
Speaker 1: Liberal Party source told the Herald Sun, Grand Final Day
29:50
Speaker 1: is one of Melbourne's great traditions, but once those traditions
29:53
Speaker 1: are lost, they're very hard to get back. Well, making
29:57
Speaker 1: beer cup snakes at the cricket is also one of
29:58
Speaker 1: Melbourne's great traditions, but that's been banned by the nanny state. Well,
30:01
Speaker 1: the Libs promised to bring that back because I actually
30:04
Speaker 1: quite miss that. The Liberal Party source told journalists children
30:09
Speaker 1: should be able to watch the final siren and the
30:11
Speaker 1: premiership celebrations without struggling to stay awake. Regional fans should
30:15
Speaker 1: also have a reasonable chance of getting home afterwards. Goodness me.
30:19
Speaker 1: What about the Australian Open tennis final starting at 7.30pm?
30:23
Speaker 1: Could the Libs legislate to change the final from, I
30:25
Speaker 1: don't know, five sets to the best of three games,
30:27
Speaker 1: you know, so my kids aren't struggling to stay awake
30:30
Speaker 1: for Jim Carrier's interview with the winner? And don't get
30:33
Speaker 1: me started on day-night cricket matches. Where does it end?
30:37
Speaker 1: While Jess Wilson denied the Libs had locked in a
30:40
Speaker 1: 2.30pm AFL grand final as one of their election promises,
30:43
Speaker 1: she did tell the Herald Sun, I understand that people
30:46
Speaker 1: want to see an afternoon grand final, at least a
30:48
Speaker 1: twilight grand final, and I want Victorian families, particularly Victorian kids,
30:52
Speaker 1: to have access to that. Well, to be honest, I
30:56
Speaker 1: agree with her. I just don't think it's something the
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Speaker 1: government should be deciding. Joining me now, football aficionados, Christy
31:07
Speaker 1: McSweeney from PR Council, who's worked with Coalition Prime Ministers
31:10
Speaker 1: and Premiers and former Federal Nationals Minister Peter McGoran. Talk
31:15
Speaker 1: to me, guys. Is this an issue that the Victorian
31:17
Speaker 1: Liberal Party should be taking up? I'll start with you, Christy.
31:20
Speaker 1: What do you think?
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Speaker 4: Look, I've lived in Melbourne over a decade now and
31:24
Speaker 4: I have come to their way of thinking and I
31:28
Speaker 4: understand now that no-one can talk about anything else when
31:32
Speaker 4: the grand final is imminent in Melbourne. If Jess Wilson
31:35
Speaker 4: didn't come up with something to do with the grand
31:37
Speaker 4: final in a policy sense this weekend, she wouldn't get
31:41
Speaker 4: in the news cycle.
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Speaker 1: So, actually.
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Speaker 4: It's pretty smart. Is it something they should be kind
31:47
Speaker 4: of talking about?
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Speaker 3: I don't know.
31:49
Speaker 1: But you know what?
31:50
Speaker 4: If you don't come up with anything footy-related, you don't
31:54
Speaker 4: get anyone turning up to your press conference in Melbourne.
31:56
Speaker 1: Oh, that's so cynical.
31:58
Speaker 4: Well, I'm just saying, maybe she's actually done a pretty
32:01
Speaker 4: clever thing here.
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Speaker 1: What do you think, Peter? You're a Carlton supporter, so
32:04
Speaker 1: you don't really have to worry about grand finals.
32:06
Speaker 8: No, it's an irrelevant event this year. I can't agree
32:10
Speaker 8: entirely with what Christy has said. She is the alternate premier.
32:13
Speaker 8: She's meant to have substance. She has to pick the
32:16
Speaker 8: issues or the battles she fights. And to me, this
32:21
Speaker 8: smacks a bit of complacency, James. They're only eight weeks
32:24
Speaker 8: out from an election. There's just a bit of an
32:27
Speaker 8: air of complacency beginning to descend on the Liberals. They've
32:30
Speaker 8: got to understand one nation is their problem, not so
32:34
Speaker 8: much Labor. So I'm sorry, the sooner they get off this,
32:37
Speaker 8: and I suspect they will, I don't think you'll hear
32:39
Speaker 8: about this again for all the reasons that you've enunciated
32:43
Speaker 8: at length.
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Speaker 1: There you go. Well, if they are going to go
32:46
Speaker 1: down this track, bring back the beer snake at the
32:49
Speaker 1: cricket eight.
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Speaker 4: And the umpires in the whites.
32:50
Speaker 1: Oh, I used to love those.
32:51
Speaker 3: The coat.
32:52
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know.
32:52
Speaker 4: I loved that too.
32:53
Speaker 1: And overseas people loved it too, didn't they? Yeah, they did, right?
32:56
Speaker 1: The butcher. Maybe we should go into government and fix
32:59
Speaker 1: the problems in this nation. Speaking of problems, university bosses, gee,
33:02
Speaker 1: they get paid a lot. New analysis has revealed 233
33:07
Speaker 1: university execs around the country are taking home more pay
33:10
Speaker 1: than our state premiers. And if that sounds out of touch,
33:14
Speaker 1: there are 17 vice chancellors nationwide pocketing more than a
33:17
Speaker 1: million dollars a year. That's getting close to double what
33:20
Speaker 1: the PM earns. Christy, are we paying our politicians too
33:24
Speaker 1: little or are we overpaying our vice chancellors?
33:27
Speaker 4: Well, considering our vice chancellors are in charge of our
33:30
Speaker 4: immigration policy in Australia, they're probably getting paid on par,
33:33
Speaker 4: but they haven't managed to come up with a solution,
33:35
Speaker 4: apart from selling Australian universities to anybody who wants to
33:39
Speaker 4: buy it. That is extraordinary, isn't it? They will argue
33:44
Speaker 4: that it's commensurate with other CEOs and executive positions around
33:48
Speaker 4: the country, but they are publicly funded... in a significant sense. And, Peter,
33:54
Speaker 4: you know this. You're a former minister in the Cabinet.
33:57
Speaker 4: You have gone to battle with university vice chancellors over
34:00
Speaker 4: your time. They get taxpayer funding to contribute to that
34:04
Speaker 4: big salary. And what have we seen them do with it?
34:07
Speaker 4: supporting campments on campuses and just argue with the government
34:12
Speaker 4: about why we need more international students bringing their spouses
34:16
Speaker 4: and their families here.
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Speaker 1: Well, you raise a good point. Are we getting value
34:19
Speaker 1: for money from these people, Peter?
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Speaker 8: No, James, and that's the whole problem. A number of
34:24
Speaker 8: these vice-chancellors are running big businesses, obviously. Sydney University has
34:29
Speaker 8: an income of $ 4 billion and Melbourne University much the same,
34:33
Speaker 8: if not more, and so on. So there are some
34:36
Speaker 8: who should be entitled to it, but we know they're
34:38
Speaker 8: not doing the.
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Speaker 1: Proper job. There have been four inquiries.
34:43
Speaker 8: In the last 12 months, two federal, one New South Wales,
34:46
Speaker 8: one Victorian, into the governance of universities, and they're all
34:50
Speaker 8: coming up short, that they are not being run in
34:53
Speaker 8: Australia's interests, their courses aren't relevant. The best example, of course,
34:58
Speaker 8: was unearthed by the New South Wales Parliament, the Southern
35:02
Speaker 8: Cross University, based at Lismore and far north New South Wales,
35:06
Speaker 8: the smallest and poorest of the universities. Its Vice-Chancellor is
35:11
Speaker 8: $ 1 million and $ 65, 000. So that's his income and he's
35:17
Speaker 8: got some 9,000 undergraduate students. But worse, they ran a
35:22
Speaker 8: course for graduate childcare. And there were almost 6,000 students, James,
35:30
Speaker 8: of whom overwhelming majority was international because they paid 26,000 each.
35:35
Speaker 8: I got out my calculator, 156 million. And none of
35:38
Speaker 8: them ever worked in the sector. When questioned by the
35:41
Speaker 8: New South Wales Parliament, that vice-chancellor said it was racism.
35:46
Speaker 8: And when that didn't hold up, he said it's because
35:49
Speaker 8: they were men. Of course it was because they were men.
35:52
Speaker 8: So he hasn't been held to account. And there are
35:56
Speaker 8: many examples like that in the university sector.
35:58
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, let me give you another example of just
36:01
Speaker 1: universities that are not living up to... Can we use
36:04
Speaker 1: the term social licence? I don't really like that term.
36:06
Speaker 1: What about cohesion? Go on. All right, universities that are
36:11
Speaker 1: not helping with social cohesion. How is that? Sydney University
36:15
Speaker 1: Vice-Chancellor Mark Scott, he earned more than $ 1. 2 million last year.
36:19
Speaker 1: Maybe if they paid him just a bit more, he'd
36:21
Speaker 1: be able to deal with anti-Semitism on campus. He still
36:24
Speaker 1: hasn't shut down the group campaigning for a place on
36:27
Speaker 1: the student council, campaigning under the banner Globalise the Intifada.
36:32
Speaker 1: And now the Archbishop of New South Wales, Anthony Fisher,
36:34
Speaker 1: has gotten involved, slamming the uni for its lack of action. Christy,
36:39
Speaker 1: this is not even a year out from the Bondi massacre.
36:43
Speaker 1: Mark Scott apologised to the Jewish community when there was
36:46
Speaker 1: an inquiry in the Senate into anti-Semitism on campuses. I
36:50
Speaker 1: just don't understand how the moment he heard about this,
36:53
Speaker 1: He didn't shut it down.
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Speaker 4: I think our university vice chancellors were complacent and through
37:00
Speaker 4: complacency complicit in letting these encampments go on for such
37:06
Speaker 4: a long time to the point that the academic staff
37:10
Speaker 4: are almost led by them and we have seen inquiries
37:14
Speaker 4: into it where Jewish students and Jewish academics have said
37:18
Speaker 4: university is not a safe space for me. It is
37:22
Speaker 4: extraordinary that the lot of them around Australia, I know one,
37:26
Speaker 4: Swinburne in Melbourne, who was absolutely fantastic and didn't let
37:29
Speaker 4: it go ahead. Apologise if there were other examples. But
37:33
Speaker 4: as a collective, the complacency and the complicitness of our
37:37
Speaker 4: university vice chancellors in this anti-Semitism is extraordinary in Australia.
37:42
Speaker 1: Well, Peter, I know the next program is Shari Markson,
37:45
Speaker 1: and I think she's got a couple of church leaders
37:48
Speaker 1: who are coming on to talk to her because they're
37:50
Speaker 1: taking a stand on this issue. But, I mean, the
37:53
Speaker 1: community should not have to speak out about this. When
37:56
Speaker 1: you're being paid as much as someone as Mark Scott
37:58
Speaker 1: is being paid, when this has been an issue front
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Speaker 1: of centre for the last couple of years, it just
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Speaker 1: beggars belief that we're talking about it. Agreed.
38:06
Speaker 8: Anti-Semitism is out of control at Sydney University. There may
38:12
Speaker 8: be universities as bad throughout the country, but it won't
38:15
Speaker 8: be as bad as University of Sydney. Mark Scott tolerated
38:19
Speaker 8: or accepted or froze in the early days when the
38:23
Speaker 8: protests were out of control and extensive. But today, Jewish
38:28
Speaker 8: students cannot identify openly as Jewish on Sydney University. So
38:34
Speaker 8: what's happened is the proponents of this ticket... for the
38:39
Speaker 8: Student Representative Union, is arguing that intifada in Arabic means
38:46
Speaker 8: a protest. The intifada might have been misinterpreted in the
38:54
Speaker 8: English usage, but the intifada for 30 years has meant,
38:58
Speaker 8: because of the first intifada and the second intifada, it
39:02
Speaker 8: is associated with suicide bombings, murders and mayhem. So there's
39:06
Speaker 8: no use hiding behind a technicality.
39:08
Speaker 1: Everyone, we don't need Kel Richards on the program to
39:11
Speaker 1: explain it. We all know what it means. All right,
39:14
Speaker 1: before I let you go, we've got to talk about
39:16
Speaker 1: Anthony Albanese's selfie with Donald Trump. We've all seen it.
39:21
Speaker 1: Anthony Albanese posted the pic this week with the caption,
39:24
Speaker 1: always good to catch up with POTUS. We spoke tonight
39:28
Speaker 1: on the sidelines of the UN General Assembly. All right,
39:32
Speaker 1: good to catch up. I think it was much less
39:34
Speaker 1: of a catch-up than a photo Elbow had to queue
39:38
Speaker 1: up for. Have a look at this footage posted by
39:40
Speaker 1: Trump's communications advisor, Margot Martin, clearly showing people were lining
39:46
Speaker 1: up for photos with Donald Trump at a photo wall
39:49
Speaker 1: and our own PM had obviously just taken his turn
39:52
Speaker 1: in front of the photo wall with Donald Trump. Christy,
39:55
Speaker 1: it was hardly Trump and I catching up on the sidelines.
39:59
Speaker 1: Elbow obviously just took his turn. Well, it depends.
40:03
Speaker 4: What's your definition of sideline, James?
40:06
Speaker 1: Well, that's about as sideline as sideline gets.
40:08
Speaker 4: I think that footage there really looks like a sideline way, way,
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Speaker 4: way out on the sideline.
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Speaker 1: I would have thought so. Peter, what do you think
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Speaker 1: of that? Cringe, cringe. I'm still cringing about it.
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Speaker 8: And the worst thing, James, is we're getting signals from
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Speaker 8: the Labor government that they want to distance themselves from Trump.
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Speaker 8: They want a row over the AI government. guardrails and
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Speaker 8: so on because it's proven to enhance the position of
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Speaker 8: leaders in Canada and the UK.
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Speaker 5: Yep.
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Speaker 1: I just, I've got to admit, when he posted that selfie,
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Speaker 1: I thought, OK, it gave the impression that he and
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Speaker 1: Trump had a bit of a sidebar and had a
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Speaker 1: bit of a chat and I'm imagining they're talking for 10, 15,
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Speaker 1: 20 minutes.
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Speaker 4: Get your hands off Elon, you know, Albo, what do
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Speaker 4: you think you're doing?
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Speaker 1: No, how long does it take to... Have a selfie
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Speaker 1: like that. It looked like it was barely 30 seconds
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Speaker 1: if that was how it all went down. Christy, Peter,
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Speaker 1: appreciate you joining me on the desk tonight. So great
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Speaker 1: to have your company. All right, we're going to go
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Speaker 1: to a break. When we come back, security fears mount
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Speaker 1: in the UK after dinghies filled with asylum seekers go missing.
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Speaker 1: Patrick Christie joins me after the break. Well, I thought
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Speaker 1: we might end the week by checking in on how
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Speaker 1: the UK is doing with its illegal immigrant crisis. Remember
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Speaker 1: when Andy Burnham made this promise just two weeks after
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Speaker 1: overthrowing Keir Starmer as Prime Minister?
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Speaker 3: We're just going to be relentless.
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Speaker 6: People want to see this issue addressed.
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Speaker 3: I heard that on the doorsteps in Makerfield.
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Speaker 6: But we also need to build a system that offers
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Speaker 6: safe routes for people as well, because that also takes
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Speaker 6: away the selling point of the gangs.
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Speaker 1: Relentless, huh? Two dinghies filled with asylum seekers have landed
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Speaker 1: on the British shores undetected by the border force this week,
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Speaker 1: prompting an urgent security review. The concern is that what
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Speaker 1: they call uncontrolled landings, don't you love the bureaucratic language
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Speaker 1: they give all these things? The uncontrolled landings enable migrants
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Speaker 1: to evade the normal security and health checks that are
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Speaker 1: done on illegals. Joining me now is GB News host
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Speaker 1: Patrick Christies. Patrick, this is a pretty bad failure.
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Speaker 9: This is a full blown national security emergency. We've had
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Speaker 9: 1,200 illegal immigrants arrive in Britain in the last 48
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Speaker 9: hours alone. Some of them, as you pointed out, have
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Speaker 9: gone completely undetected. We have had recorded cases of Iranian
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Speaker 9: terrorist sleeper cells and ISIS fanatics already having come across
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Speaker 9: the channel.
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Speaker 1: Those are the ones we know about.
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Speaker 9: Last week, I went and reported live from the camps
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Speaker 9: in northern France. I was attacked relentlessly. These are, in
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Speaker 9: many cases, very, very violent men. And the ones that
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Speaker 9: we do know about that have arrived are escorted all
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Speaker 9: the way to British waters by the French authorities. They're
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Speaker 9: then brought ashore by the British authorities We had a
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Speaker 9: case two nights ago where the British authorities laid on
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Speaker 9: three coaches, numerous different police vans, ambulances, etc. There's an
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Speaker 9: iconic image of blue lights flashing with a convoy of
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Speaker 9: at least 30 different cars flashing to collect, protect and
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Speaker 9: look after these illegal undocumented men. This was the kind
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Speaker 9: of response you would expect for the King's motorcade or
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Speaker 9: for the Prime Minister's motorcade.
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Speaker 3: Or maybe for a rock star.
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Speaker 1: No, it's for illegal immigrants.
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Speaker 9: The entire priority of the British state now appears to
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Speaker 9: be geared towards welcoming... illegal migrant man onto our shores.
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Speaker 1: And the crazy thing about all of that, because I
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Speaker 1: was reading about much of what you've described, is who
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Speaker 1: gets arrested? Locals who turn up to protest these illegals
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Speaker 1: being allowed into the country. Yeah, I mean, this is
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Speaker 1: the thing.
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Speaker 9: So we now have a huge amount of concern amongst
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Speaker 9: local residents for the obvious reasons. And yet again, I,
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Speaker 9: as my job as a GB News presenter, have the
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Speaker 9: solemn duty of reporting on a near daily basis about
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Speaker 9: various different attacks, whether it's sexual assaults or rapes or
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Speaker 9: violent attacks, that sadly are committed by illegal migrants here.
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Speaker 9: I mean, we had one case of an illegal immigrant
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Speaker 9: who went into a primary school with a jerry can
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Speaker 9: full of petrol, armed with a hatchet, a hammer and
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Speaker 9: a knife because he just wanted to cause a scene
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Speaker 9: because he wasn't happy with the way his asylum process
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Speaker 9: was going. So we have very concerned British locals and
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Speaker 9: they don't want them landing in being brought ashore in
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Speaker 9: their kind of port towns and cities. So they turn
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Speaker 9: up and they're frustrated by it. And again, it seems
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Speaker 9: like everything is being done to silence or to prosecute
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Speaker 9: or to criminalize concerned Brits, as opposed to actually these
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Speaker 9: illegal migrants that are coming across. And I saw on
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Speaker 9: the beaches of Northern France just last week, I was
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Speaker 9: there watching the French authorities escorting illegal immigrants from the
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Speaker 9: beach onto boats and then helping them get out into
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Speaker 9: the English Channel, knowing that they will be picked up
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Speaker 9: by the British state. And we have to have a
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Speaker 9: serious conversation now about whether or not the French are
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Speaker 9: our allies. We are giving them £ 1 billion of British taxpayers'
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Speaker 9: money to supposedly stop this crisis.
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Speaker 1: It's not stopping. It is getting worse. Yeah, it certainly is.
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Speaker 1: And as we saw, Andy Burnham saying, we're going to
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Speaker 1: be relentless, they've been anything but. I want to ask
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Speaker 1: you about some, I'm not sure if it's right to
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Speaker 1: call it incredible footage, because, I mean, it was almost
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Speaker 1: an absolute disaster, but a British Royal Air Force jet
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Speaker 1: crashed about four hours northwest of London. during a training flight,
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Speaker 1: narrowly avoiding homes. We'll show you the footage here posted
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Speaker 1: on social media. The pilots, as people could see there,
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Speaker 1: managed to eject and they were OK, being treated for
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Speaker 1: minor injuries before the plane nosedived straight into the ground.
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Speaker 1: Do we know what caused this crash yet, Patrick?
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Speaker 9: We don't know the exact technicalities of what caused the crash,
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Speaker 9: but what we do know is that it's an absolute
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Speaker 9: miracle that nobody died.
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Speaker 1: So our Air Force do various.
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Speaker 9: Different training exercises across rural aspects of the British countryside.
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Speaker 9: This one was in Wales. Two trainee RAF fighters ejecting
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Speaker 9: at the last minute. What we understand from witnesses on
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Speaker 9: the ground is that they could see that this plane
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Speaker 9: was in distress from the moment of takeoff. It looked
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Speaker 9: as though there were flames coming out of the back
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Speaker 9: of it. That escalated. They've ejected minor injuries, although it's
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Speaker 9: obviously an incredibly rough thing for the body to go through,
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Speaker 9: just ejecting. The plane has then thundered into the ground,
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Speaker 9: kind of about 100 or 200 yards away from residential properties.
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Speaker 1: It's then... exploded into a fireball.
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Speaker 9: And, you know, this is just, I mean, it beggars
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Speaker 9: belief that nobody was hurt. The wider context of this
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Speaker 9: is it's a big concern for the British state. Generally,
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Speaker 9: we keep being told to prepare for war. We keep
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Speaker 9: being told that our armed forces are not in the
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Speaker 9: shape that they need to be. And the people that
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Speaker 9: this will please most, of course, the likes of Vladimir Putin,
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Speaker 9: the likes of Xi Jinping and all of our adversaries
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Speaker 9: at the moment. And it is a very, very worrying
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Speaker 9: time for Britain at the minute. And it does raise
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Speaker 9: serious questions about the quality of the kit that we
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Speaker 9: are providing to our to our armed forces here.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, fortunately, the ejector seats worked, so the crew
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Speaker 1: were OK, but, wow. Hey, before you go, Prince Harry
47:15
Speaker 1: has been humiliated during his speech at the Clinton Global
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Speaker 1: Initiative's annual meeting after his teleprompter apparently malfunctioned. Take a
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Speaker 1: look at this.
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Speaker 3: We do not have years for what comes next.
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Speaker 2: HE COUGHS.
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Speaker 1: And that's it. If only we'd known earlier that he
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Speaker 1: can be shut up so easily.
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Speaker 9: Oh, the illusion of Prince Harry as a wise sage
47:53
Speaker 9: has officially died, hasn't it? Ironically there, he was doing
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Speaker 9: a speech on the dangers of AI, the autocue fails,
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Speaker 9: he can't ad lib. You know that he'd received an
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Speaker 9: education that was probably worth about £ 1 million by today's standards.
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Speaker 9: And the sum total of that was that he got
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Speaker 9: a B in art and a D in geography. And
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Speaker 9: he never learned to ad lib. I mean, he's basically
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Speaker 9: just a head on a stick at this point that
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Speaker 9: people wheel out to add weight to whatever cause it
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Speaker 9: is that they want highlighting.
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Speaker 1: It's ridiculous. Patrick, the autocue stopped working and Then he
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Speaker 1: just stopped working and that was it. I believe he
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Speaker 1: came back about 40 minutes later and finished his speech
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Speaker 1: when the autocue was fixed. So Patrick Christie, always fantastic
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Speaker 1: to catch up. Enjoy your weekend. And thanks to you
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Speaker 1: at home for watching. Hope you have a great weekend
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Speaker 1: as well. But don't go anywhere. Here is Shari Markson.