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Jaguars Happy Hour: Thursday, April 9 · The Jacksonville Jaguars Official Podcast Network

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Speaker 1: It is Thursday, April nine. This is Jaguars Happy Hour.
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Speaker 1: And now a guy who's cutting his toilet paper squares
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Speaker 1: in half. J. Peace shad Rick not that desperate over
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Speaker 1: here yet, Welcome in the tag Wars Happy Hour. J. P.
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Speaker 1: Shatrick with you. Hope everybody's well on this Thursday, April nine.
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Speaker 1: The self isolated editions continue from the home studio. Thank
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Speaker 1: you for joining us on Tin Tin A M and
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Speaker 1: Jacksonville and also on at Jaguars on social media on
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Speaker 1: dot com. If you're watching there you get a live
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Speaker 1: you inside the side porch room. Uh here in St. Nicholas,
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Speaker 1: Thank you for joining us today. We've got a busy program.
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Speaker 1: Here's what's coming up. NFL Network analyst Daniel Jeremiah joined
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Speaker 1: us on the program. We caught up with it earlier
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Speaker 1: this week over Skype, and he discusses, with only a
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Speaker 1: couple of weeks away, how this draft is going to go.
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Speaker 1: Virtually every general manager in the league has to work
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Speaker 1: from their own house with nobody else around, So how
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Speaker 1: are they gonna do that? And we'll get into some
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Speaker 1: prospects coming up. We'll here from CBS Sports senior writer
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Speaker 1: Pete Prisco as well, our good friend also our co
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Speaker 1: host on Mondays on this program throughout the regular season,
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Speaker 1: will get his take on the virtual draft a little
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Speaker 1: bit different than Daniels, and some thoughts about the unique
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Speaker 1: and Gackway situation from Prisco as well. We'll hear from
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Speaker 1: Tony Basselli. He'll join us at the bottom of the
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Speaker 1: hour at four thirty, and then Jeff Loghuman, the anchor
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Speaker 1: leg today at four The NFL going fully virtual for
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Speaker 1: the draft here in twenty twenty. That was announced earlier
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Speaker 1: this week, and you know it's it's a big difference obviously,
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Speaker 1: the entire scouting staff. Everybody's normally in the war rooms
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Speaker 1: at the stadiums, but with all the governmental restrict actions
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Speaker 1: and the differing restrictions from place to place around the league,
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Speaker 1: the NFL has said that they're gonna make everything all
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Speaker 1: even everybody's gonna stay at home. So the I T
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Speaker 1: departments are working over time right now for every team
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Speaker 1: in the National Football League. We caught up, as we said,
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Speaker 1: with Daniel Jeremiah from NFL Network. The TV coverage will
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Speaker 1: be much different as well. We'll get his thoughts on
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Speaker 1: that coming up, some prospects to look out for for
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Speaker 1: the Jacksonville Jaguars, And here's our visit with Daniel Jeremiah.
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Speaker 1: NFL Network analyst Daniel Jeremiah joins us. Now we're a
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Speaker 1: couple of weeks away from the NFL Draft, and how
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Speaker 1: strange is this going to be? Daniel? How are you?
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Speaker 1: I'm doing great? Yeah, it's different, man, it is a
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Speaker 1: it is a different year. Um, but I treasure every
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Speaker 1: moment we can just talk about sports and get a
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Speaker 1: little bit of an escape here from what's going on
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Speaker 1: in the real world. So, uh, it's been fun to
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Speaker 1: to still stay engaged and actually have something to talk about.
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Speaker 1: The draft is the only thing going on in this
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Speaker 1: horse world, that is it. We'll get to some players
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Speaker 1: coming up, some prospects. The Jags have two first round picks.
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Speaker 1: Let's talk though, first about this virtual draft idea. All
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Speaker 1: the gms have to be in their own homes of course. Uh,
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Speaker 1: it's it's become a little bit of a conversation point
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Speaker 1: this week of how it's gonna get done. I T
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Speaker 1: departments all of a sudden are in the spotlight around
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Speaker 1: the league. Logistics, technology of this thing, how's it gonna work, Daniel, Well,
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Speaker 1: I think you're gonna have, you know, a group of
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Speaker 1: about ten people probably per organization, really connected and plugged
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Speaker 1: in together via Zoom or whatever video conferencing program that
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Speaker 1: they want to use. Um. But I actually think it's
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Speaker 1: got a chance to go off smoothly. And the way
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Speaker 1: that will happen is it's going to be the teams
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Speaker 1: that I used that phrase right, measure twice, cut once.
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Speaker 1: It's the teams that are ultra prepared coming into the event.
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Speaker 1: If you are on the clock, and that's in the
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Speaker 1: first round. If you're on the clock and you are
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Speaker 1: making the first trade phone call that you've made at
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Speaker 1: that point in time, you're not doing it right. Um.
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Speaker 1: This has got to be something that's gonna be mapped
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Speaker 1: out ahead of time. You need to be calling every
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Speaker 1: other team in the league and trying to work out
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Speaker 1: parameters for trades before the thing even starts. Hey, if
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Speaker 1: if you wanted to move and we wanted to move up,
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Speaker 1: let's discuss what it would take. Looking at our picks,
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Speaker 1: looking at your put together, what it could look like.
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Speaker 1: Now the odds that it's going to happen that we
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Speaker 1: both want to move is probably not great, but we'll
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Speaker 1: have that all ironed out before the draft even starts.
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Speaker 1: To place that phone call when you're on the clock
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Speaker 1: and try and negotiate this and work this out with
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Speaker 1: all the moving parts this year, I think that'll be
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Speaker 1: what's difficult, and you'll find out pretty quickly. I think
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Speaker 1: who who is prepared and who's not. How do the
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Speaker 1: Jaguars sit in your opinion in that regard Dave Caldwell's
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Speaker 1: track record in this situation, it seems like they're pretty
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Speaker 1: prepared most of the time. Yeah. First of all, you know,
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Speaker 1: Dave's Dave's tech savvy, and so everything's gonna be up
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Speaker 1: and running and where it needs to be from that standpoint.
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Speaker 1: So it's not gonna be too big. He's not gonna
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Speaker 1: be overwhelmed by having to be on a video conference.
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Speaker 1: I think he'll be okay, uh, And then it's about
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Speaker 1: just you know, the The interesting thing for the Jags
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Speaker 1: with these picks is is figuring out what you want
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Speaker 1: to do ahead of time, and they'll put that plan
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Speaker 1: in place and they'll be able to navigate that as
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Speaker 1: as we get into the draft. But I would imagine,
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Speaker 1: you know, Dave Dame's background under somebody like Bill Polian,
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Speaker 1: You're not gonna find somebody more prepared than him. Um,
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Speaker 1: So having that training I think will serve him well
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Speaker 1: in this kind of a odd year that we find ourselves.
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Speaker 1: Let's get to this year's draft. Daniel twelve draft picks
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Speaker 1: for the Jaguars, four of those in the top seventy three.
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Speaker 1: It feels like, you know, Dave Caldwell and the Jaguars
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Speaker 1: are gonna get somewhat of a haul early in this draft. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: they've got a chance to really change their team. Uh
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Speaker 1: and really you know, create a foundation for the future
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Speaker 1: with this draft as well as next year's draft. So
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Speaker 1: I'm fascinating to see what they end up doing. I
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Speaker 1: kind of anticipate that you will see some movement here
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Speaker 1: from the Jags in this draft, and I actually think
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Speaker 1: it's more likely to go and reverse and to go up. Uh,
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Speaker 1: continue to stockpile picks next year, you know, to add
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Speaker 1: more picks in the next year's draft would not surprise
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Speaker 1: me at all. Um, while still being able to to
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Speaker 1: really add some some athleticism and some playmaking this team.
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Speaker 1: Your latest mock three point oh on NFL dot Com
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Speaker 1: Earlier this week was McKay Beckton with the ninth pick,
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Speaker 1: the tackle from Louisville the Big Fella, and then Justin Jefferson,
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Speaker 1: the l s U wide receiver at number twenty overall,
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Speaker 1: both offensive picks. For you, that seemed pretty interesting. Yeah, look,
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Speaker 1: the holes are there on defense, and we all know
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Speaker 1: where they are with who's left the building over the
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Speaker 1: last twelve months. But I also think it's fascinating to
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Speaker 1: see what they do knowing and Gardner Menshew showed a
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Speaker 1: lot of promise last year. So if you can use
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Speaker 1: this year you're considering next year you have more picks.
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Speaker 1: If you wanted to do the quarterback thing a year
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Speaker 1: from now, um, it might be some some intriguing options there.
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Speaker 1: But I think this year is about getting a good
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Speaker 1: evaluation on Gardner Menshew. Can he build off of what
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Speaker 1: he did last year which was impressive and show he
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Speaker 1: can be the guy going forward, which will really free
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Speaker 1: this franchise up to be able to spend money in
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Speaker 1: free agency at other positions. Fix the defense, use your
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Speaker 1: resources next year in the draft to really really uh
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Speaker 1: take care of that side of the ball. But man,
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Speaker 1: if you could, if you could upgrade the offensive line,
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Speaker 1: a little bit, which I think you know, McKay Beckton
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Speaker 1: would upgrade two spots because I would kick Cam Robinson
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Speaker 1: inside the guard. I think you get better at two
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Speaker 1: different spots. And then you you also have an opportunity.
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Speaker 1: We get a pass catcher to to give a weapon
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Speaker 1: to your young quarterback. Now we can get a real
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Speaker 1: fair evaluation and see, Okay, is this the guy going forward?
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Speaker 1: It is about scoring points in the league. Defense is
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Speaker 1: great and everything. You gotta have that, but you gotta
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Speaker 1: outscore guys these days. Speed and speed on the outside
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Speaker 1: and offense is There's a way to get that done,
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Speaker 1: no doubt. And and that's why you know, I think
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Speaker 1: there's four premier receivers in this draft. Jefferson is the
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Speaker 1: fourth guy for me. But when you have Rugs and
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Speaker 1: Judy from Alabama and you have Ceedee Lamb man, it
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Speaker 1: would be it would be awfully enticing to come away
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Speaker 1: with one of those four guys. It's one of the
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Speaker 1: deepest wide receiver drafts in a long time. I've heard
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Speaker 1: you say that already here in the build up to
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Speaker 1: the NFL Draft. Is this the deepest we've seen ever?
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Speaker 1: It is? For me? And I say that and I
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Speaker 1: want people to understand, like there is not a Julio
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Speaker 1: in this draft, not a Julio Jones. There's not a
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Speaker 1: uh in a j Green, is not Calvin Johnson in
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Speaker 1: this draft? Like those are those are elite, elite players
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Speaker 1: We don't have. That we do though, is we have
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Speaker 1: depth in rounds like three and four. You're gonna get
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Speaker 1: a second round quality player in the fourth round. This year,
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Speaker 1: it's just so many guys. It's just a volume game.
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Speaker 1: Um So that's what gets me so excited about this
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Speaker 1: receiving group. But that being said, I think there are
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Speaker 1: four those four that I mentioned that separate from that pack,
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Speaker 1: and then I think there's a little bit of a
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Speaker 1: drop off and then there's a deep pool of guys.
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Speaker 1: Daniel Jeremiah with us from NFL Network at moved the
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Speaker 1: sticks on Twitter. Jaguars have a need at cornerback obviously
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Speaker 1: with the players that have gone over the last calendar
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Speaker 1: year from that position. Here, Trey Herndon's on the outside,
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Speaker 1: they like what he's gonna be. I think, moving ahead,
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Speaker 1: you got d J. Hayden inside at Nickel. That leaves
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Speaker 1: the other side open. If you're picking cornerbacks. Give us
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Speaker 1: the top two three four guys to look out for
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Speaker 1: who can stand in right a way and start at
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Speaker 1: the outside corner spot. Well sure, I mean, look, if
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Speaker 1: if Jeffrey Ocuda is there, you're turning the card from
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Speaker 1: Ohio State, he's the top corner. I don't think he's
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Speaker 1: gonna make it. Uh So if we cross him off
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Speaker 1: the list, now you go to C. J. Henderson from Florida,
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Speaker 1: who is I would say more athletic than Accuda is,
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Speaker 1: but the tackling that the you know, just the inability
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Speaker 1: to be a consistent tackler is what dings him a
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Speaker 1: little bit. I still have him as the second corner um.
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Speaker 1: And then after that, I guy like Jalen Johnson from Utah,
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Speaker 1: who I think is outstanding and he might not have
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Speaker 1: any one rare trait, but he is just solid across
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Speaker 1: the board. And if you've seen trade Devious White and
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Speaker 1: what he's been able to do for the Buffalo Bills,
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Speaker 1: this kid reminds me a lot of him. Just a
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Speaker 1: rock solid, steady player who I think is very worthy
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Speaker 1: of a first round pick. Those would be the guys
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Speaker 1: that really intrigued me. Um another one I would throw
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Speaker 1: out there just from a size speed, athleticism standpoint would
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Speaker 1: be a j terrellphrom Clemson, who I think has got
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Speaker 1: a chance to be really good. Final couple of thoughts
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Speaker 1: here with you, Um, you're on the clock. The Jaguars
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Speaker 1: have what needs and what is your ninth overall pick?
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Speaker 1: All right? That you could go with a whole host
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Speaker 1: of needs here for this football team. We've talked about
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Speaker 1: wide receiver. I've mentioned potentially upgrading it at left tackle. Um,
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Speaker 1: you look at edge rusher with with what's going on
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Speaker 1: within goquay right now, that could be a place they
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Speaker 1: could look corner as you've mentioned, I mean, there's they're
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Speaker 1: really not, you know, pigeonholed into this position or that position,
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Speaker 1: which means you can take the best available player. So
10:31
Speaker 1: when I look at it that way, I look at
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Speaker 1: a guy like Javon Kinlaw and say, okay, outgoes Klais
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Speaker 1: Campbell incomes kin Law. I think that would be a
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Speaker 1: great fit for the Jags with their first pick and
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Speaker 1: then with their second pick. To me, I think if
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Speaker 1: one of those big four receivers is there, difficult to
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Speaker 1: turn that down. But let's let's just play it out
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Speaker 1: and say those four guys are gone I would say,
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Speaker 1: look at the cornsition and that's where you have at
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Speaker 1: Jalen Johnson and A J. Terrell. I think would make
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Speaker 1: some sense. Alright, final thought, Withether you here. I know
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Speaker 1: we're still a couple of weeks out. I know that
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Speaker 1: this is a little bit of uncharted water for the
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Speaker 1: NFL Draft television coverage. But what have they told you?
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Speaker 1: What is this going to look like on our TV
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Speaker 1: screens two weeks from now? Well, there's uh, you know,
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Speaker 1: a lot of it's still being put together and planned.
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Speaker 1: What I can tell you I know for sure is
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Speaker 1: we're going to have the NFL Draft on NFL Network,
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Speaker 1: on ESPN, and on ABC. Now how that all comes together,
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Speaker 1: that's for folks above my pay grade to announce whenever
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Speaker 1: they want to announce it. But I know I'm gonna
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Speaker 1: be right here. These these pink flowers you see behind them,
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Speaker 1: and you're gonna see those on Draft night because that's
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Speaker 1: where I'm gonna be. Daniel Jeremiah from NFL Network always
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Speaker 1: good to catch up with him, former NFL college scout
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Speaker 1: three different organizations over the years, and now really the
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Speaker 1: top draft analysts on NFL Network. And he's right you'll
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Speaker 1: see him all over the place on ABC and the
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Speaker 1: NFL Network of course ESPN. It sounds like they're gonna
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Speaker 1: have a simulcast coverage of some kind. Still to be
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Speaker 1: the National Football League in the next months ahead. Well,
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Speaker 1: the good news is that our Monday night partner in
18:00
Speaker 1: our trio is doing a lot better. Tony Big both
18:04
Speaker 1: the Selly he rallied, our guy rallied he did, and
18:08
Speaker 1: we had him on last week. He's been making the
18:10
Speaker 1: rounds this week giving the warnings out. It's it was
18:12
Speaker 1: great to hear his voice last week, Pete, after everything
18:14
Speaker 1: that he had gone through is no doubt, no question.
18:17
Speaker 1: I was. I was thrilled. I was worried about him.
18:20
Speaker 1: Uh and he fought through it and made it through.
18:22
Speaker 1: And now we you know, next year we have a
18:24
Speaker 1: We're armed with a bunch of jokes to just get
18:26
Speaker 1: all over him. Now, once he makes it back through this,
18:29
Speaker 1: we'll let it die off a little bit first. Be
18:33
Speaker 1: just happy. I'm just happy Tony's doing well. And it's
18:36
Speaker 1: good he's getting the message out to people to be careful. Yeah,
18:39
Speaker 1: this is a real deal for sure. Let's talk a
18:41
Speaker 1: little football now, Pete, and let's start with this virtual draft.
18:46
Speaker 1: The NFL is going to draft virtually and everybody from
18:51
Speaker 1: all the teams have to be in their own place
18:53
Speaker 1: to do this. How's this going to go? How's this
18:55
Speaker 1: gonna turn out? All right? J P. You're my scouting
18:59
Speaker 1: director and I'm the general manager. We're on the clock.
19:02
Speaker 1: We're sitting there at number nine. I'm gonna pretend I'm
19:04
Speaker 1: Dave called. Well, you pretend you one of the scouts.
19:06
Speaker 1: What do you think about McKay Beckton in the spot?
19:08
Speaker 1: Should we go McKay Beckton or should we go to
19:10
Speaker 1: Isaiah Simmons? If we needed a lineback. What do you think?
19:13
Speaker 1: What is your thoughts on this? We're getting close to it.
19:15
Speaker 1: What do you think there's our final decision? Okay, give
19:18
Speaker 1: me back the all right, with the ninth pick, we're
19:21
Speaker 1: gonna take McKay Beckton. How easy is that? It's not
19:24
Speaker 1: that complicated. And I've talked to a bunch of guys
19:27
Speaker 1: around the league that say, does this go draft? We're
19:29
Speaker 1: ready for it. This is the doom and gloomers out
19:32
Speaker 1: there putting out this scenario where these teams aren't ready.
19:35
Speaker 1: It's not that complicated. Just go pick. Back in the day,
19:38
Speaker 1: they used to pick out the street in Smith's Football
19:40
Speaker 1: magazine and and they probably got more right than they
19:43
Speaker 1: do when they over analyze it. And then at the
19:45
Speaker 1: end of the day, Peter Roselle drew it on a
19:47
Speaker 1: blackboard in the in the room. That was it. This
19:51
Speaker 1: isn't going to be that complicated, JP. It's not just
19:54
Speaker 1: just draft. It's easy to do. And if you're a
19:57
Speaker 1: team that's done your work leading up to it. I
20:00
Speaker 1: say this all the time. If you have your scouts
20:02
Speaker 1: out at the school and you want to find out
20:04
Speaker 1: all the information you can on a player, super smooth scout,
20:07
Speaker 1: because that's what they are. We'll go to the local
20:10
Speaker 1: restaurant and find out if he treats the workers kindly.
20:13
Speaker 1: We'll go talk to the equipment man. This is the
20:15
Speaker 1: kind of information that's better than having some guy come
20:18
Speaker 1: in on one of his thirty visits. That's a prep visit,
20:21
Speaker 1: when he says everything that you want him to say.
20:23
Speaker 1: So I think that's why I think teams, I'm one
20:26
Speaker 1: of the big believers to think this will be a
20:28
Speaker 1: better draft that it's been because there's no over analysts.
20:31
Speaker 1: Analysis by paralysis by analysis. Sure, I know what you meant,
20:36
Speaker 1: and it seems like we'll find out which scouting staffs
20:39
Speaker 1: are better equipped, right. I mean I can use by
20:42
Speaker 1: the way, I can go back in history and use
20:44
Speaker 1: a Tom Coughlin example to perfectly illustrate paralysis by analysis.
20:50
Speaker 1: Back in the day, the Januars were getting ready to draft.
20:54
Speaker 1: I think it was their second or third year, and
20:56
Speaker 1: they had a guy by the name of Anthony Cesario
20:58
Speaker 1: who's a guard. The scouts had like a sixth round
21:01
Speaker 1: grade on him. Kauflin came into the process later as
21:05
Speaker 1: he was wanting to do because he had to coach
21:06
Speaker 1: the team. During the season and gave Anthony Saceario a
21:10
Speaker 1: second round grade, and the scouts pushed back on him.
21:13
Speaker 1: Of course, he was not going to lose that one,
21:15
Speaker 1: but they did talk him down around and they took
21:18
Speaker 1: him in the third round. He was a major bust.
21:21
Speaker 1: That's what happened. When the coaches come to the process late.
21:24
Speaker 1: Trust your scouts, trust your personnel people. There are a
21:28
Speaker 1: lot of good scouts in this league that have done
21:30
Speaker 1: the work in the two years leading up to this year.
21:33
Speaker 1: Let them do the work, Lean on them, Listen to them.
21:37
Speaker 1: CBS Sports senior writer Pete Prisco with us. You know,
21:41
Speaker 1: it feels like Pete, and they haven't really made any
21:43
Speaker 1: official announcement the league of what's going to happen after
21:46
Speaker 1: the draft, but it just feels like, right now, the
21:48
Speaker 1: offseason program is toast, and then we'll see what happens
21:52
Speaker 1: come training camp time. Yeah, even if the country opens
21:56
Speaker 1: back up, say the first week in May, I don't
22:00
Speaker 1: you'll see off season programs in May. I think what
22:03
Speaker 1: you might see is a mini camp or two in June,
22:07
Speaker 1: if that's the case, and then you'll take your little
22:10
Speaker 1: break and come back and training camp. Because I think
22:13
Speaker 1: even though, you know, the NFL has been playing. All
22:17
Speaker 1: these coaches and and and guys have been working. You've
22:20
Speaker 1: been doing the work. You've been watching a lot of tape.
22:22
Speaker 1: It's not like you. They got to give these guys
22:24
Speaker 1: their time, their official time off that they always get
22:27
Speaker 1: um and if they don't, I'll be married because I
22:29
Speaker 1: gotta get my official time off as well before this
22:32
Speaker 1: before training camp starts. Otherwise, we're talking to be and
22:34
Speaker 1: we're all hopeful training camp is gonna start. I'm an optimist.
22:38
Speaker 1: I think you know, I do believe that the country
22:40
Speaker 1: will open up at some point in May and we
22:42
Speaker 1: will have an NFL season. Okay, Pete. The biggest offseason
22:47
Speaker 1: story right now for the Jaguars in terms of the
22:49
Speaker 1: roster is the unique and Gotkway situation. And earlier this
22:53
Speaker 1: week he went on the ESPN the first TV visit
22:56
Speaker 1: with him. He's been all over Twitter the last months
22:58
Speaker 1: or so discussing the organization and his he wants to
23:02
Speaker 1: get out of here and move on to another organization
23:04
Speaker 1: and do all that. He's only limited in what he
23:06
Speaker 1: can do. The Jaguars have control obviously right now. What
23:10
Speaker 1: is the end result? What do the Jaguars have to
23:13
Speaker 1: have to get rid of in Gockway. Well, I think
23:15
Speaker 1: they have to have either a high one and something
23:18
Speaker 1: else or um, they're not gonna trade him, And by
23:22
Speaker 1: that I mean the high one or maybe two mid ones.
23:25
Speaker 1: They're not gonna get two mid ones for him, Nobody's no.
23:28
Speaker 1: And that's they protected themselves by putting that tag on them.
23:30
Speaker 1: They could get two ones if somebody wanted them, but
23:32
Speaker 1: they're not gonna do that. So they're not gonna get
23:34
Speaker 1: two ones. So maybe a high one and a three
23:37
Speaker 1: or a high one in a four might get that done.
23:40
Speaker 1: A middle one and it too, might get that done,
23:44
Speaker 1: because it's a bad look for the organization JP to
23:47
Speaker 1: go trading disgruntled players. When they went out and Jalen
23:51
Speaker 1: Ramsey wanted out, they traded him because they got wild
23:54
Speaker 1: by an offer. Now, if somebody comes with that kind
23:56
Speaker 1: of offer and cockways out the door, I mean, I
23:59
Speaker 1: think you say a question about that, I don't see
24:00
Speaker 1: that happening. Do you do you see that kind of
24:02
Speaker 1: offer for him? I don't know, probably not. He thinks
24:05
Speaker 1: of himself to Pete is a top three defensive ent.
24:08
Speaker 1: He's a good football player. I'm not gonna knock him
24:09
Speaker 1: for being a good football player. And he plays hard
24:11
Speaker 1: and he works hard, and he's one of those guys.
24:14
Speaker 1: He's a good guy to have around. But the market
24:17
Speaker 1: isn't good right now for the pass rushers. You saw
24:19
Speaker 1: Dante Fowler who had eleven and a half sacks, he
24:22
Speaker 1: got fifteen million. Wasn't it a sixteen million? Damion Clowney,
24:27
Speaker 1: who doesn't get a lot of sacks, but he's a
24:28
Speaker 1: good football player, had his price come way down he
24:31
Speaker 1: started at twenty two. These guys were all shooting to
24:33
Speaker 1: go above DeMarcus Lawrence and and above who's Frank Clark. Well,
24:39
Speaker 1: they're not getting above that. So now his eighteen and
24:42
Speaker 1: a half billion dollars that he turned down last year
24:44
Speaker 1: from the Jaguars now looks like that would be a
24:47
Speaker 1: heck of a deal. Now, the question would be, now
24:50
Speaker 1: would he take that from the Jaguar if they gave
24:53
Speaker 1: him a four year deal averaging or five year deal
24:56
Speaker 1: averaging eighteen eighteen and a half million dollars year With
24:58
Speaker 1: a guy who's made about a million dollars in his
25:00
Speaker 1: career so far, take that money, and I think, no
25:04
Speaker 1: matter what he talks about, the culture, and the answer
25:05
Speaker 1: to that question should and would be yes. You think
25:08
Speaker 1: he would? You think he would back off with all
25:10
Speaker 1: those statements. What are his options right now? Let's just
25:14
Speaker 1: play it out. He doesn't take that deal, they haven't
25:17
Speaker 1: want to tag, they don't make a trade. Is he
25:19
Speaker 1: gonna leave eighteen million on the table after make it four?
25:22
Speaker 1: Of course not. He's gonna go play if he has
25:25
Speaker 1: a giant ear, what are they gonna do again? They're
25:28
Speaker 1: not gonna let him walk. They'll tag him again. So
25:31
Speaker 1: in that scenario he gets two tags, fine, you might
25:34
Speaker 1: make make thirty six million dollars. If he's okay with that,
25:36
Speaker 1: then fine, But there's no guarantee that that's going to
25:39
Speaker 1: be the case. What if he goes out, they tag
25:41
Speaker 1: him and he doesn't play well? Then what so? I
25:47
Speaker 1: think if you if he's wise and he listens to
25:49
Speaker 1: his agent, and I mean his agent listens to the market,
25:52
Speaker 1: he takes the eighteen and a half five years. If
25:55
Speaker 1: you get eighteen and a half, look at that money.
25:57
Speaker 1: Pretty good money coming in. If Pete Brisco with a Seed,
26:00
Speaker 1: a sports senior writer and our co host of Jaguars
26:03
Speaker 1: Happy Hour on Mondays during the regular season, uh. And
26:06
Speaker 1: now the Jaguars in the draft currently two first round picks,
26:09
Speaker 1: number nine overall, number twenty overall. I was looking at
26:12
Speaker 1: a mock draft that you were involved in. I guess
26:15
Speaker 1: a couple of weeks ago. Now you had McKay Beckton
26:17
Speaker 1: at number nine for the Jags, and you had Jordan's Love,
26:20
Speaker 1: the quarterback from Utah State, at number twenty. Today, do
26:24
Speaker 1: you still stand by those Well, I'm doing another one
26:26
Speaker 1: on Thursday, and that's not how it plays out. So
26:29
Speaker 1: I gotta change him up. To me, I do so
26:30
Speaker 1: many of them, JP, I gotta make him look different. Uh.
26:34
Speaker 1: Do I think Jordan's Love will be there when they
26:35
Speaker 1: pick at twenty? No, I do not. Uh. In fact,
26:38
Speaker 1: I think there's a chance he goes before you got
26:40
Speaker 1: to to Ah. I mean, you know, he keep hearing
26:43
Speaker 1: about to Ah, but we don't know the medicals on
26:45
Speaker 1: to all in medical information is coming from his side.
26:48
Speaker 1: Of course, he's gonna say is the healthiest guy in
26:50
Speaker 1: the world. We expect that, but you don't know where
26:52
Speaker 1: the medical is. And I think that's concerning to a
26:54
Speaker 1: lot of teams and where his medical is. So for
26:57
Speaker 1: that's that reason. If you see the Dolph to take
27:00
Speaker 1: a different quarterback and the Chargers take a different quarterback
27:03
Speaker 1: than to a could tumble down a little bit, and
27:05
Speaker 1: then he becomes a tough question for if you're Jacksonville
27:08
Speaker 1: at nine, would you consider to a again risky proposition?
27:13
Speaker 1: So um, but yeah, I don't think love will be there,
27:16
Speaker 1: but I put that there because what are their options
27:19
Speaker 1: at quarterback right now? Look? I love Gardner, Minshew. He's
27:21
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27:23
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27:26
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27:28
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27:31
Speaker 1: Jameis Winston. I'm in the minority on that one, but
27:34
Speaker 1: I would after the draft. I'd let his price come
27:36
Speaker 1: down and then bring him in the problem with that
27:40
Speaker 1: is he probably beats out Menshew. Pete Prisco, CBS Sports
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27:52
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Speaker 1: fewer than ten people in the building. Film will be
33:10
Speaker 1: sent to all thirty two teams. There's a lot of
33:11
Speaker 1: question marks around, obviously the health situation with two A
33:15
Speaker 1: tongue of Valoa and where he will stand. That's a
33:18
Speaker 1: big part of the pre draft process this year that
33:21
Speaker 1: really was not done. A lot of teams got their
33:24
Speaker 1: hands on him at the combine, but you know, they'd
33:28
Speaker 1: like that little extra step, a little extra physical here,
33:31
Speaker 1: and they'd love to see him in person throw the
33:33
Speaker 1: ball around and move around and such. But that won't happen,
33:36
Speaker 1: and that's not going to happen for for everybody in
33:39
Speaker 1: this pre draft process. For for for a guy who
33:42
Speaker 1: has had two different ankle surgeries over the years, and
33:46
Speaker 1: then I obviously the hip situation is the the biggest
33:50
Speaker 1: question mark for him coming up. The more access he
33:54
Speaker 1: would have had two teams, the better. And we'll see
33:57
Speaker 1: if it costs him on draft night, and you know,
34:01
Speaker 1: we'll see if the tape stands out enough. You know,
34:04
Speaker 1: that's what it's gonna have to be for all these
34:05
Speaker 1: teams this year is trust the tape, Trust your scouting staff,
34:10
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34:14
Speaker 1: and and going into it, but this this process goes
34:16
Speaker 1: back at least a couple of years, if not more
34:19
Speaker 1: than that, when they start identifying players and then following
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34:27
Speaker 1: So this has been a long process. A lot of
34:29
Speaker 1: data has been gathered over the years on each of
34:32
Speaker 1: these prospects, and the scouting staffs now as of late,
34:37
Speaker 1: I mean they've been working on next year already to
34:39
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34:43
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34:45
Speaker 1: of that big deep dig work on some of these
34:48
Speaker 1: prospects has been completed already. And um, you know, hey,
34:53
Speaker 1: that's where it is. So we're two weeks away from
34:55
Speaker 1: the draft. And then the big question now, of course,
34:57
Speaker 1: as we heard Daniel Jeremiah earlier, just Gusts and Pete Frisco,
35:02
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35:05
Speaker 1: Pete being Pete, and we know Pete very well said, hey,
35:11
Speaker 1: this is not a big deal. Who do you like?
35:13
Speaker 1: Pick who you like and move on, make the phone call,
35:16
Speaker 1: make it happen. Um, Daniel Jeremiah pretty much the same idea.
35:21
Speaker 1: Different organizations will have a different approach to this thing,
35:25
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35:30
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35:32
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35:36
Speaker 1: How do different organizations get through that. We'll find out
35:40
Speaker 1: in a couple of weeks time. Let's go to the
35:42
Speaker 1: phone lines now and welcome in Prid of the Jaguars
35:45
Speaker 1: left tackle Tony Boselli. Tony, good afternoon, Good, good afternoon,
35:50
Speaker 1: Jay Starry about that little technical issues, but good to
35:54
Speaker 1: be with you. That good to good to be with you.
35:56
Speaker 1: And um, how are you feeling now a week after? Yeah?
36:00
Speaker 1: You know, every day, Um, you know, for the most part,
36:03
Speaker 1: every day get better. I get tired store really quick.
36:05
Speaker 1: And today I've been working this entire week, Um, doing stuff,
36:09
Speaker 1: answering emails, on some video calls. Um, you're just talking
36:13
Speaker 1: about using WebEx and some zoom with my extended family
36:17
Speaker 1: as well. So um, yeah, for the most part, um,
36:21
Speaker 1: feel better. Um, you know, it's just uh, I think
36:25
Speaker 1: the last thing that will come back is my lungs
36:28
Speaker 1: just back to full capacity. And as soon as that happens,
36:31
Speaker 1: I probably won't get as tired as quick. Um. But
36:34
Speaker 1: it's the overall. I can't complain. I'll play you you.
36:37
Speaker 1: I'm gonna try not to complain as much. You know,
36:39
Speaker 1: after I'm going through what I did, I would say, so, Um,
36:43
Speaker 1: you also mentioned I heard somebody say that you mentioned
36:47
Speaker 1: you lost twenty pounds. I did, Yes, I did lose
36:51
Speaker 1: twenty pounds. I'm gaining it back, um, quicker than I
36:54
Speaker 1: would like. I thought, Man, this is great. Um, I've
36:57
Speaker 1: lost some weight. Let me take advantage of it. Well,
37:00
Speaker 1: I'm still under house quarantine until I kind of get
37:03
Speaker 1: all these last tests done to the Mayo Clinic, so
37:06
Speaker 1: I can't really do much. And by three daughters, Um
37:11
Speaker 1: are great bakers, and they've made cookies, and we have
37:15
Speaker 1: ice cream, and and they want Dad to eat and
37:17
Speaker 1: feel better. So and who am I to say no?
37:20
Speaker 1: Two cookies and ice cream. I was gonna say, if
37:23
Speaker 1: if you got extra cookies, send them over here, you know, exactly,
37:27
Speaker 1: bring them over. That goes well in this household. Um,
37:30
Speaker 1: you want to talk a little ball Tony, how much?
37:32
Speaker 1: Let's do it. Let's talk about it. How much football
37:34
Speaker 1: have you talked in the last week? Not a lot,
37:37
Speaker 1: high level stuff, Um, but nothing, not a lot. Man.
37:42
Speaker 1: I've you know, started trying to follow the draft a
37:45
Speaker 1: little bit, um, you know, And but I haven't watched
37:48
Speaker 1: the film I had, wouldn't passed or anything like that.
37:51
Speaker 1: So obviously the big talking point this week leading up
37:54
Speaker 1: to the draft is the virtual draft. Everybody has to
37:57
Speaker 1: be in their own house that you won't have teams
37:59
Speaker 1: of people in one room together this year. So I
38:04
Speaker 1: t departments are under the microscope now and UM under
38:07
Speaker 1: pressure to get things working properly between houses and all that.
38:11
Speaker 1: At the end of the day, though the work, a
38:14
Speaker 1: lot of it's already done by now. You've already scouted everybody.
38:17
Speaker 1: You're working through scenarios right now in terms of trades
38:20
Speaker 1: and maybe moving what would take and when it's draft night,
38:23
Speaker 1: the haze in the barn. Yeah, I'm surprised they didn't
38:27
Speaker 1: allow um, you know, like the head coach, the GM
38:31
Speaker 1: and the owner, UM, maybe your head of scouting to
38:35
Speaker 1: be at the facility or the technology you know, all
38:37
Speaker 1: set up and in one room. You know, these we've
38:41
Speaker 1: been slowly the rooms are big enough and you're six
38:43
Speaker 1: ft apart, you know, or whatever you do. You know,
38:48
Speaker 1: I think no different than me living in my house
38:50
Speaker 1: right now with my family. You know, you just keep
38:51
Speaker 1: your distance, you're smart, you wash your hands and all
38:54
Speaker 1: that kind of stuff. That surprised me. I was surprised
38:56
Speaker 1: that they were doing the stay at home UM, but
38:59
Speaker 1: I think you know, in the time at this they're
39:00
Speaker 1: trying to stay Let's be extra cautious. Let's really respect
39:03
Speaker 1: also a lot of states, um stay in shelter where
39:06
Speaker 1: you are, and so I applaud them for doing it,
39:08
Speaker 1: but I'm not gonna lie. Lie. It did surprise me
39:11
Speaker 1: a little bit because now you had a whole other,
39:14
Speaker 1: you know, layer to the excitement of the draft is
39:18
Speaker 1: you know, like you said, I mean, I don't know
39:20
Speaker 1: about you, but you know, my WiFi at my house
39:23
Speaker 1: is good most of the time. It does go out though, um,
39:28
Speaker 1: you know, it's not like I got a you know,
39:29
Speaker 1: a business line hooked up here. And so it's interesting
39:33
Speaker 1: to be interesting to see what did they do. Did
39:35
Speaker 1: they do extra stuff with the hardware um, and all
39:39
Speaker 1: the you know, foundational stuff that you need to operate
39:42
Speaker 1: uh online and through these type of meetings in in
39:46
Speaker 1: this manner, because could you imagine if you're on the
39:49
Speaker 1: clock and then all of a sudden, your your GM
39:53
Speaker 1: who's making the pick, it's you know, you know, all
39:56
Speaker 1: the studdy gets fuzzy and it kind of skips and
39:58
Speaker 1: he's trying to tell you who he's picking and you
39:59
Speaker 1: can't understand what next saying um, And so that's uh,
40:04
Speaker 1: that'll be I'm fascinated to watch it. I'm really fascinated
40:07
Speaker 1: watch it. And then the dynamics, um of as trades happen.
40:13
Speaker 1: You know, you're gonna have your GM, your owner, your head, coach,
40:16
Speaker 1: your head, you know, personnel, and all those people all
40:19
Speaker 1: in different locations keeping track of what is happening in
40:22
Speaker 1: front of you now who they're picking, what trades are happening.
40:26
Speaker 1: You know, do you want to move up and move back?
40:28
Speaker 1: Trying to have those communications with other people all in
40:31
Speaker 1: separate locations. So, UM, I think it'll be interesting. I
40:35
Speaker 1: think it's great. I think it's you know, I hate
40:37
Speaker 1: that we're doing it because of what the underlying factors are.
40:40
Speaker 1: Why we're doing it, because of this COVID nineteen and
40:43
Speaker 1: people are suffering, and it's really, um a tough time.
40:47
Speaker 1: And people have questioned, should the NFL do the draft
40:50
Speaker 1: right now? You know it's the right thing to do,
40:51
Speaker 1: and so on and so forth, But um, I think
40:54
Speaker 1: people are also starved for some live entertainment and stuff
40:58
Speaker 1: like that, and the NFL the fair the way to
41:01
Speaker 1: do this safely and have some extra intrigue in there
41:05
Speaker 1: with the technology and the infrastructure, um making sure that
41:09
Speaker 1: all works. It will be I'm looking forward to it.
41:12
Speaker 1: Tony was Elli with US Pride of the Jaguars Left Tackle,
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Speaker 1: our co host on this program throughout the year. And
41:18
Speaker 1: you know, we we talked to Daniel Jeremiah earlier this week.
41:21
Speaker 1: We just heard him again on this program. Yeah, I'm
41:24
Speaker 1: curious when it looks like on television, and we're two
41:26
Speaker 1: weeks away, Tony, and he doesn't know what it's gonna
41:29
Speaker 1: look like on television yet. It sounds like all three
41:33
Speaker 1: networks ESPN, NFL Network, and the ABC simulcast are all
41:38
Speaker 1: gonna do one broadcast together, but they're not sure the
41:41
Speaker 1: logistics of how that's going to work out, which I
41:44
Speaker 1: think it's gonna be fascinating TV. There's a possibility you
41:46
Speaker 1: could have mil Kuiper and Daniel Jeremiah on the same
41:49
Speaker 1: screen at the same time, right, and you would have
41:52
Speaker 1: and then how did you know? I'm sure? I mean,
41:54
Speaker 1: and then they're keeping track of all the different teams
41:56
Speaker 1: that the commissioner, you know, the NFL, you know, on
42:00
Speaker 1: screen through videos through the internet. You know. Okay, we're
42:03
Speaker 1: going to Jacksonville. Let's pull up the you know whatever
42:05
Speaker 1: technology whom WebEx, you know, Microsoft. I mean, there's five
42:09
Speaker 1: millions of video sharing things out there, whatever technology they're using.
42:13
Speaker 1: You probably already said and I didn't hear it, but um,
42:16
Speaker 1: and then you keep track of that like okay, pull
42:18
Speaker 1: up you know this, you know picture off the web
42:23
Speaker 1: Dave Caldwell as the you know, announces or pulting, you know,
42:27
Speaker 1: just all the moving parts. As you said, I'm sure
42:30
Speaker 1: there's I mean, obviously there's really smart people out there
42:33
Speaker 1: on the technical side that probably are listening right now
42:36
Speaker 1: say oh, it's not that big a deal. We can
42:38
Speaker 1: do it, but for a layman like myself of all
42:41
Speaker 1: the moving parts around the country during a difficult time
42:44
Speaker 1: on something that's very important for each of these franchises.
42:47
Speaker 1: And by the way, we're gonna do it on live
42:49
Speaker 1: TV and probably in front of a pretty large audience,
42:54
Speaker 1: considering we don't have a lot of live stuff going
42:56
Speaker 1: on right now. I mean, if you talk about reality TV,
43:00
Speaker 1: get his best, I mean, get ready, no doubt Tony
43:04
Speaker 1: with us. I'm gonna put you on the spot here.
43:06
Speaker 1: I know you haven't watched a lot or much of
43:08
Speaker 1: any film these days. It is two weeks away from
43:11
Speaker 1: the draft today, today's the ninth Who are the Jaguars
43:16
Speaker 1: picking at number nine, let's say a position. Maybe not necessarily,
43:20
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say this. I think it's the best big
43:22
Speaker 1: person between the defensive tackles and the left tackles. I
43:27
Speaker 1: think that's who they're picking. And so you know what
43:31
Speaker 1: that tells you? What is that A I'm not trying
43:33
Speaker 1: to cop out, but for Derek Brown and the and that,
43:37
Speaker 1: I would think they probably have him pretty high in
43:39
Speaker 1: the report overall. If Derek Brown for whatever reason, because
43:42
Speaker 1: the quarterbacks in front of them, the situation, you know,
43:44
Speaker 1: dictates it is sitting there, um at nine, I think
43:49
Speaker 1: they take him. Um. You know, you look at the
43:52
Speaker 1: offensive tackles and I think the one, the one who's
43:55
Speaker 1: most triguing to me, and I don't have his name
43:57
Speaker 1: in front of me, forgive me, but the Louisville kid
44:00
Speaker 1: who is m um, who's like three thirty five plus
44:08
Speaker 1: and long and big and you watch him is so athletic.
44:13
Speaker 1: I mean, I think he's the most intriguing. But then
44:15
Speaker 1: the probably maybe the safer during that time would be there,
44:19
Speaker 1: the kid from George or Alabama. The two tackles there
44:21
Speaker 1: and so you you you know, however, Dave and and
44:25
Speaker 1: and uh, the rest of the leadership and Doug and
44:30
Speaker 1: and and in communication with Shot and kind of built
44:33
Speaker 1: their board and listed those left tackles. How they kind
44:36
Speaker 1: of go in what order. Um, let's say Derek Brown's
44:41
Speaker 1: out and they have them higher than the next defensive tackle.
44:43
Speaker 1: I think you take the best, and so I'm gonna
44:45
Speaker 1: tell you I would take the best, big person. And
44:47
Speaker 1: I don't think left tackle should be off the board.
44:50
Speaker 1: I think you can. You need to really strengthen not
44:53
Speaker 1: the offensive line. Um. And I think that there's an
44:57
Speaker 1: opportunity for Cam Robinson still the movement side and play
45:00
Speaker 1: guard in my opinion. Now, he's not gonna like to
45:01
Speaker 1: hear that if he's listening to do this right now. UM,
45:04
Speaker 1: But I like Cam. He's big, physical, and he's athletic. Um.
45:08
Speaker 1: But to say that he has played left tackle at
45:11
Speaker 1: a upper echelon level, I think we most of us
45:15
Speaker 1: would agree on. That's that's not quite indication. Tony. You
45:18
Speaker 1: sound much better this week, and I know you're gonna
45:21
Speaker 1: sound much better next week as well. We'll catch up
45:23
Speaker 1: with you then. Have a good one, well, JP, I appreciate.
45:26
Speaker 1: Let me say one last thing, a wild card. We
45:28
Speaker 1: have time for a while. Here's a wild card. You
45:32
Speaker 1: got your unique out there. Um, and it'll be interesting
45:36
Speaker 1: to see because I think the trade, if it's gonna happen,
45:38
Speaker 1: I would imagine happens next two weeks. I mean, you're
45:41
Speaker 1: gonna get it because the draft is so important, and
45:44
Speaker 1: if someone's gonna give draft picks for Yon, if you're
45:46
Speaker 1: able to get another first rounder, would you bundle two
45:50
Speaker 1: of the three to go up into the top you know,
45:56
Speaker 1: let's say top four, to go grab a quarterback that
46:00
Speaker 1: you think is a franchise future guy who can take
46:03
Speaker 1: you to the super Bowl. Because I still think he's
46:06
Speaker 1: something you have to consider. Um if you have if
46:10
Speaker 1: you evaluated one of these quarterbacks as the guy. UM.
46:14
Speaker 1: No different than what Kansas City did with Mahomes years ago.
46:17
Speaker 1: They said Patrick Mahomes is the guy that even need
46:20
Speaker 1: a quarterback. With Alex Smith, we're gonna go take him. Um,
46:24
Speaker 1: And you can kind of go through history. There's moments
46:26
Speaker 1: when court teams say that's our guy. We're taking him
46:30
Speaker 1: regardless of what the situation is, because it's such an
46:32
Speaker 1: important position position. Nothing against Gardner Minshew, I'm not saying
46:36
Speaker 1: he can't be a guy who leads his team to
46:38
Speaker 1: the playoffs and possibly the Super one day. But again,
46:41
Speaker 1: I don't think anybody's saying we know for sure he's
46:44
Speaker 1: the guy, and until you really get that position to solidified.
46:47
Speaker 1: And we've seen this franchise past in the past on
46:50
Speaker 1: franchise quarterbacks. Um, if you've done your work and your scouts,
46:54
Speaker 1: then if you're Dave Cobble, you're saying, man, uh, you know,
46:58
Speaker 1: Justin Herbert is the future in this league. You go
47:03
Speaker 1: up to go get them if you need to. Um,
47:05
Speaker 1: So that's the wild card if they trade John and
47:07
Speaker 1: get another and pick. We love wild cards, we love
47:10
Speaker 1: bundles on this show. Tony is good to talk to
47:12
Speaker 1: you JP a couple of weeks. And I'm curious how
47:17
Speaker 1: we're gonna do the draft. If we're gonna do that's
47:18
Speaker 1: what I can't wait to figure out. I think we're
47:20
Speaker 1: working on that as we speak. In fact, all right,
47:23
Speaker 1: let me know when you know something. I'm not even
47:25
Speaker 1: the I'm in the dark right now, hanging out by myself,
47:28
Speaker 1: So you let me know what's going on. Well, there's
47:30
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47:34
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52:55
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53:14
Speaker 1: said the game slowed down for him last year. It
53:17
Speaker 1: was the second year you could tell towards the end
53:20
Speaker 1: of the season he really started to get his sea
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Speaker 1: And now the mystery is is who's going to be
53:35
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53:38
Speaker 1: I think it's gonna come through the draft. But the
53:41
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54:04
Speaker 1: we're gonna We're gonna find a creative way to do
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Speaker 1: this from my home and then a combination of people
54:12
Speaker 1: getting the film and then the editing. But we're gonna
54:14
Speaker 1: find a way to do it. But I watched a
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Speaker 1: lot over Shawn Melvin this week and uh darn near
54:23
Speaker 1: every play he played in last year and uh and
54:26
Speaker 1: every play that he was involved in. So and I
54:30
Speaker 1: think he's gonna be a role type player for the
54:32
Speaker 1: Jaguars because a lot of people see that signing and go,
54:34
Speaker 1: he's going to be the starting corner opposite of Trey Herndon.
54:39
Speaker 1: And my comment to that would be, WHOA, let's slow
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Speaker 1: down a little bit. You know, you're you're talking about
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Speaker 1: a guy who was signed on a one year deal
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Speaker 1: who played opposite Darius Lay for the Detroit Lions. And
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Speaker 1: I think he's a he's a role type player, and
54:53
Speaker 1: he's got a lot of length to him and he
54:56
Speaker 1: does a pretty good job with that length. Matching up
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Speaker 1: on receivers that don't have the shiftiness and tight ends
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Speaker 1: that had that length. And I think that's really his niche.
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Speaker 1: And I think one of the great things that Bill
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Speaker 1: Belichick does is that when he gets a player, he
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Speaker 1: identifies what that player strength is and then uses it
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Speaker 1: and doesn't put the player where he's gonna be deficient.
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Speaker 1: And Rashaan Melvin, you need to put him against bigger
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Speaker 1: wide receivers. Did a great job against Mike Williams and
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Speaker 1: San Diego Chargers. A big wide receiver did a good
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Speaker 1: job against some tight ends, and and that's gonna be
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Speaker 1: his role, I think for the Jaguars going going forward
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Speaker 1: and in the draft, will produce the starter opposite Trey Herndon.
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Speaker 1: Would be my guest Jeff Lockman with US Jaguars analyst.
55:39
Speaker 1: That's Jaguars Happy Hour on this Thursday, April ninth. You know,
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Speaker 1: we just asked Tony about it and he's been out
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Speaker 1: of the hasn't been watching film on prospects and all that.
55:49
Speaker 1: But it's two weeks away from the draft. Blocks if
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Speaker 1: you're on the clock right now, what is your biggest need?
55:55
Speaker 1: What are you taking at number nine? Considering you know
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Speaker 1: they aren't moving up or anything like that. After stage,
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna say it again and that you know there's
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Speaker 1: a quarterback that you love, you take them. You know.
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Speaker 1: That's what's an Tony's scenario to the last one he
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Speaker 1: did little extra scenario at the end was like at
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Speaker 1: this in gock weight trade happens, maybe they bundle and
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Speaker 1: move up somehow if there's a franchise altering guy up
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Speaker 1: there that they feel, oh there could be, you know,
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Speaker 1: And look, you gotta feel really strongly about a guy
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Speaker 1: if you're gonna if you're gonna move up and take them,
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Speaker 1: because the cost of moving up gets pretty expensive when
56:30
Speaker 1: when it comes to draft time. You know. So, but
56:34
Speaker 1: there's a lot of prospects and I'm a big fan
56:37
Speaker 1: of of not drafting for need. I think you draft
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Speaker 1: the best available player because ultimately those are the players
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Speaker 1: that are gonna stick on your football team and are
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Speaker 1: going to help your franchise long term. You can always
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Speaker 1: find roles. I mean. The perfect example that and we've
56:52
Speaker 1: probably used this before and it's been used by many people,
56:55
Speaker 1: but it's a great example. John Ogden. You know they
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Speaker 1: had a left tackle in baal to More and he
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Speaker 1: was a really good one and Tony Jones, so you
57:03
Speaker 1: didn't need John Ogden to play left tackle immediately, but
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Speaker 1: they put him at guard. A six seven, six eight
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Speaker 1: future Hall of Fame left tackle is playing guard for
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Speaker 1: for a bit before he moved to tackle, but they
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Speaker 1: made it work because he's a good football player. So
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Speaker 1: if you've got a good football player at wherever you're
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Speaker 1: drafting at, regardless of need, and if you feel strongly
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Speaker 1: about he's the best player that you can get, you
57:23
Speaker 1: take him. Interesting stuff. You know. Obviously a lot of
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Speaker 1: people are are mocking the big men at number nine.
57:32
Speaker 1: We've talked about those guys that Derek Browns of the
57:34
Speaker 1: world and Javon kin Laws and even yeah, the defensive tackles,
57:38
Speaker 1: you know, and I get any even offensive tackle now too,
57:41
Speaker 1: you know, sure, yeah, I'm sure. I mean, look, the
57:43
Speaker 1: reality is as good could you would you be better
57:46
Speaker 1: if you upgraded left tackle? And look, I like Cam Robinson,
57:50
Speaker 1: but you know, as he played, you know, at a
57:53
Speaker 1: high level. Yet no, you know, so can he get
57:56
Speaker 1: to a high level? I don't know, you know, so,
57:59
Speaker 1: I mean that remains to be seen. But if you've
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Speaker 1: got a guy who's a game changing left tackle to
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Speaker 1: where you can put them against the best pass rushers
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Speaker 1: and game plan wise leave them all alone on an island,
58:10
Speaker 1: just like Rivas Island with the Jets, you know, just
58:13
Speaker 1: like Basselli Island back in the early days of the Jaguars.
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Speaker 1: If you can draft Tony Basselli with that first pick
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Speaker 1: that you have, you take them, then you play Cam Robinson,
58:23
Speaker 1: you do the reverse, the reverse John Ogden, and then
58:27
Speaker 1: you put Cam Robinson back on the inside, you know.
58:30
Speaker 1: So you take good football players and because good football
58:34
Speaker 1: players help you win. And he'd have to battle with
58:36
Speaker 1: Andrew Norwell at that point. And we'll see what training
58:39
Speaker 1: camp a hold. I guess we look, I mean look
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Speaker 1: at blood and battle right guard. I mean, look, there's
58:43
Speaker 1: more than one position along the offensive line that that
58:46
Speaker 1: you The more competition that you can create, the better
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Speaker 1: that you're gonna be. And the Jaguars got a good
58:52
Speaker 1: offensive line coach, a really good offensive line coach, and
58:55
Speaker 1: look he can he can figure it out with good
58:57
Speaker 1: football players. Jeff lygwan with um, we've got just about
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Speaker 1: thirty seconds or so left to your logs. What's uh,
59:03
Speaker 1: what's your week look like coming up? What do you
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Speaker 1: got this weekend. What's happening at home, Well, I mean
59:09
Speaker 1: about the same thing that everybody else has been doing.
59:11
Speaker 1: I mean it will be continuing to work on a
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Speaker 1: little bit of film, a little film study. Got the
59:16
Speaker 1: Easter weekend coming up, and gonna be with the family,
59:19
Speaker 1: which is most important. And I will say that it's
59:22
Speaker 1: been a blessing, a little bit in disguise for for us,
59:25
Speaker 1: and I think for a lot of people that with
59:27
Speaker 1: Easter weekend, you always want to spend time with family.
59:30
Speaker 1: And obviously you can't spend a lot of time with
59:33
Speaker 1: all of your family, but you're gonna do it with
59:35
Speaker 1: your immediate family. So looking forward to that happy early
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Speaker 1: Easter Logs. Talk to you, Next to do you j P.
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Speaker 1: There is Jeff Lockerman, Jaguars analyst. Their thanks to Daniel,
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Speaker 1: Jeremiah Frisco, Tony Vaselli for everyone involves. I'm JP Shadrick.
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