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#642 - Anees on Quitting Law for Music, Selective Christianity, Israel Speech Censorship & AI’s Dark Side · The Bootleg Kev Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Hey, man, we're here. We have of course got a
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  Speaker 1: kick off the Bootleg CAV podcast with a special guest.
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  Speaker 1: A niece is in the building. Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, man.
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  Speaker 2: You are I always will show people your content because
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  Speaker 2: I feel like you are like a perfect example of
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  Speaker 2: like I always show lazy artists like this fucking guy,
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  Speaker 2: or I don't know how many times I've shown people
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  Speaker 2: your page, or I'm like, look how many different times
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  Speaker 2: you can promote a single song? Because I felt like
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  Speaker 2: every time i'd open my phone there'd be like a
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  Speaker 2: different way. You were like, uh that, I don't like
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  Speaker 2: the feeling. I'm like, Yo, how many fucking how many
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  Speaker 2: pieces of content?
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  Speaker 1: Just in general, like when you're pushing a record, because
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  Speaker 1: I feel like you have such a successful story as
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  Speaker 1: an independent artist, but it's not by accident, you know
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  Speaker 1: what I mean? Like, what is kind of your game
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  Speaker 1: plan when it comes to promoting music as an independent artist?
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  Speaker 1: Because you do so so well at it? Yeah, I
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  Speaker 1: mean when it being independent, right, you don't have the
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  Speaker 1: million dollar machine behind you just pumping ads into your videos. So,
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  Speaker 1: but it's free to promote your own music. And so
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  Speaker 1: for me, I just know people connect with what if
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  Speaker 1: they see an artist enjoying them if it looks like
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  Speaker 1: the artist actually loves their song, which I do, They're
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  Speaker 1: gonna be way more likely to love it themselves. So,
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  Speaker 1: since I love my music, if I can just capture
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  Speaker 1: that and share that in as many different ways, as possible.
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  Speaker 1: It's just natural. It's gonna latch onto those who are
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  Speaker 1: meant to find it. Are you doing like stuff on
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  Speaker 1: just your iPhone? Oh yeah? Oh yeah. I mean sometimes
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  Speaker 1: we use the fancy cameras, but like some of my
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  Speaker 1: most viral clips of all time, especially with leave Me,
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  Speaker 1: it was just a phone propped up and you know,
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  Speaker 1: just me singing my ass off. Right yeah? Yeah. How
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  Speaker 1: many times do you think you promoted that song? Oh? Shit?
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  Speaker 2: Like how many? How many different pieces of content? I
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  Speaker 2: mean hundreds for sure, that's hundreds.
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  Speaker 1: How many streams does that song have cross all platforms?
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  Speaker 1: It's probably like one hundred mil bro. Yeah, what are
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  Speaker 1: we doing here? We're doing a lot. That's a lot.
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  Speaker 2: So you give me a kind of your background, like
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  Speaker 2: where you grew up, Like, how long have you been
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  Speaker 2: making music?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you got a lot going on. It's I'll make
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  Speaker 1: a long story short. I'm from Virginia. We're aint ship
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  Speaker 1: to do but cook. Yeah, and to the clips exactly.
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  Speaker 1: I met Pusha at a hidden steakhouse in Miami. Yeah. Nice,
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  Speaker 1: we had been tapped in before. Did he know you
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  Speaker 1: were like the Virginia guy too? I don't think he knew.
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  Speaker 1: I was from Virginia. He just knew me from ig
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  Speaker 1: but obviously I knew he was. But yeah, I'm from Virginia.
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  Speaker 1: I've been making music now only for like six years.
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  Speaker 1: Before this, I was a lawyer. Really yeah, so you
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  Speaker 1: do your own deals. That's my hit. No fuck no,
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  Speaker 1: but that's my hidden lare. I went to law school
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  Speaker 1: and became a lawyer. Quit, and then just TikTok came
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  Speaker 1: around and I said, fuck it, what kind of lawyer?
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  Speaker 1: I mean, you don't really have to choose. In law school,
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  Speaker 1: I was probably headed toward immigration, right, but the few
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  Speaker 1: internships I did kind of told me like, I don't
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  Speaker 1: want to do this, and so was it just because
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  Speaker 1: because being a lawyer.
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  Speaker 2: I feel like, if you if there's like lawyers that
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  Speaker 2: are like services to people, and then there's lawyers where
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  Speaker 2: you're like, oh yeah, yeah, I gotta look the other
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  Speaker 2: way on a lot of stuff.
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  Speaker 1: No. So my dad is an immigration lawyer, right, and
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  Speaker 1: the kind of law he does, and then I watched
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  Speaker 1: him as I grew up is he would bring refugees
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  Speaker 1: from all different countries here and you know, helping people. Dude,
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  Speaker 1: I get through the legal process for the free too,
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  Speaker 1: like a lot of pro bono work, you know, like
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  Speaker 1: people see lawyer and they think, oh, like every lawyer
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  Speaker 1: is just bathing in money, right, printing cash, screwing people over.
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  Speaker 1: But there are the lawyers like my dad that treat
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  Speaker 1: it more as like a service, right. And so I
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  Speaker 1: think if I would have done law, perhaps I would
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  Speaker 1: have followed in that direction. But it just didn't. It
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  Speaker 1: just wasn't for me.
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  Speaker 2: And had you had a itch to do music before,
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  Speaker 2: because when you say you just started making music six
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  Speaker 2: years ago, it's like you just got in the studio
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  Speaker 2: and like just got sported.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yes, yes, yes, I mean I had always freestyle,
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  Speaker 1: I had always sang. I had always loved music. That
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  Speaker 1: was always my therapy. And so but I kind of
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  Speaker 1: kept that to myself, you know, because I just didn't
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  Speaker 1: think you could do it. You know, I didn't think
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  Speaker 1: that me some kid from Virginia who you know. I
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  Speaker 1: kind of felt like, what business do I have being
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  Speaker 1: someone that makes music? Like that's that's that's for other people, right,
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  Speaker 1: And so I kind of kept my like my friends
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  Speaker 1: knew that I was a musical person, but it was
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  Speaker 1: it was kind of just something I thought, you know,
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  Speaker 1: I felt like it like, this wasn't an option for me.
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  Speaker 1: But then once you go through something extremely depressing that
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  Speaker 1: you don't love, which for me was law school. By
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  Speaker 1: the end of that, when you hit rock bottom, you
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  Speaker 1: get clarity. You look around and you're like, oh, I
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  Speaker 1: don't want to do this. Where'd you go to law school?
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  Speaker 1: George Mason? Yeah, So they had a NCAA run at
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  Speaker 1: the podcast. So you end up on the other side
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  Speaker 1: of law school. You're unhappy. Yeah, you're like, oh depressed. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So your first time recording a song, do you put
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  Speaker 1: it out? I mean, that's twenty twenty. I had no
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  Speaker 1: idea what I was doing. I was just finding people
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  Speaker 1: on the internet on social media that I thought maybe
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  Speaker 1: could help me. And yeah, I put I put out
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  Speaker 1: a couple really, in my opinion, like bad songs, you know,
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  Speaker 1: but you have to do that. You have to you
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  Speaker 1: have to make a bunch of shitty songs before you.
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  Speaker 1: Were they out on SoundCloud or were they out everywhere?
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  Speaker 1: Did you YouTube? Okay? Yeah? YouTube? And uh? And then
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  Speaker 1: little by little I came the confidence to actually put
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  Speaker 1: something on DESP and did that first song? Did it catch?
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  Speaker 1: I mean, if you ask my early fans, yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: If you ask the OG and East fans if they
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  Speaker 1: love Neverland Fly or they love Brown Kit, or they
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  Speaker 1: love maybe you know, like the the diehards that come
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  Speaker 1: to every show, you know, if you ask them after
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  Speaker 1: the show, they're disappointed I didn't play that song. Do
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  Speaker 1: you hate those songs when you listen to them now,
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  Speaker 1: because you're just like, oh, I'm so much better. I
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  Speaker 1: used figured it out now. I used to cringe at them.
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  Speaker 1: I used to I used to cringe. I've come to
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  Speaker 1: actually love my earliest artist self. That took a while, though,
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  Speaker 1: I'm not gonna lie like in the beginning, you know,
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  Speaker 1: maybe a few years ago if you would ask mental
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  Speaker 1: you I hate those songs? Right? Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I feel like especially most people don't put out the
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  Speaker 2: first few songs they recorded.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, we usually never hear those correct, like every
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  Speaker 1: or something. Yeah, that's crazy, man. My hard drives are
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  Speaker 1: on the internet. Six years started during the pandemic.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, oh shit, yeah, so you really had to depend
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  Speaker 2: on the internet.
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  Speaker 1: I mean it was a bit of a silver lining. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: Like everybody was at home, Yeah, had nothing to do
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  Speaker 1: but look at their phones. No, it was I feel
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  Speaker 1: like it was the best time to put out during
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  Speaker 1: that time, like a lot of dope. Like I just
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  Speaker 1: think about the albums that got nominated for Hip Hop
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  Speaker 1: Album of the Year. It was like Freddy Gibbs and
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  Speaker 1: Nas and Push a T. And I was like, if
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  Speaker 1: people were listening to music, they weren't partying. They were
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  Speaker 1: looking for shit to like, dude, they couldn't party, so
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  Speaker 1: they had to actually listen. People were DJing on it
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  Speaker 1: on ig live, you know, fifty thousand. It was a
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  Speaker 1: wild time. It was definitely a wild time. So at
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  Speaker 1: this point in time, you obviously have a ton of success.
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  Speaker 2: Why have you decided? Is it a conscious decision? Is
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  Speaker 2: it just because the right situation hasn't came up to
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  Speaker 2: stay independent?
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  Speaker 1: I knew when I first popped, when you know, when
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  Speaker 1: I first popped, all the labels came, yeah, you know,
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  Speaker 1: and they all offered what they offer right now. At
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  Speaker 1: that time twenty twenty, twenty twenty one, twenty two, I
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  Speaker 1: think labels still were in the mentality that they could
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  Speaker 1: offer what they'd been offering right And I think over time,
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  Speaker 1: with social media kind of changing how music works, labels
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  Speaker 1: have actually shifted toward the artist. Well they kind of
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  Speaker 1: have to, Yeah, they have to. And in my gut
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  Speaker 1: I knew that. In my gut, I'm like, I'm not
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  Speaker 1: going to take these first couple deals because why would
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  Speaker 1: I give up seventy percent? Why would I give up
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  Speaker 1: even fifty percent? I felt like, you know, over time,
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  Speaker 1: if I just kept building my my business. Eventually, if
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  Speaker 1: I wanted to work with a label, they'll do it
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  Speaker 1: on my terms. But you know, are you aware of INDEFI.
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  Speaker 1: I've heard, I've heard of it. I'm not aware of
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  Speaker 1: what they do. I've heard the name now, so I'll
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  Speaker 1: just I'll share with you a little bit because this
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  Speaker 1: is a big part of why I've stayed independent. Indefi
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  Speaker 1: is a company in New York. Essentially, they connect artist
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  Speaker 1: to strategic partner and or they connect label to strategic partner.
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  Speaker 1: They found me shortly after Slip and hit me up
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  Speaker 1: like ten times until I responded, and eventually I was like,
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  Speaker 1: fuck it, let me, let me get on a call
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  Speaker 1: with them. Because this is very persistent and for Sun
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  Speaker 1: and Moon and for Leave Me, and for my first
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  Speaker 1: album and all the successes that came with it. A
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  Speaker 1: big part of why I didn't have the partner with
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  Speaker 1: the labels. They just connected me to partners that could
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  Speaker 1: give me service services right, but not on label terms,
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  Speaker 1: not three sixty, not with an option. I never took
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  Speaker 1: a dollar. I always told them, you can give me
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  Speaker 1: one dollar if you want to make this like a deal,
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  Speaker 1: but I don't want your money. I got my money.
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  Speaker 1: I was fortunate enough to get money from my first
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  Speaker 1: couple of songs. I wanted their strategy. I wanted them
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  Speaker 1: to connect me in the right place is build the inroads,
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  Speaker 1: help me build my own infrastructure. So yeah, so what
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  Speaker 1: were like, give me an example of like a someone
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  Speaker 1: they might connect you with, like a PR person and
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  Speaker 1: oh yeah, digital marketing or yeah, all the above. So
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  Speaker 1: one of the partners was a digital marketing like powerhouse
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  Speaker 1: in South Asia, right, Southeast Asia. So with Sun and Moon,
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  Speaker 1: which was so big in the Philippines, that was perfect.
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  Speaker 1: You know, my partner on that song connected me to
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  Speaker 1: another end if I partner who I technically wasn't working
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  Speaker 1: with on Sun and Moon, but we tapped in with
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  Speaker 1: him because we knew that he had HELLA inroads in
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  Speaker 1: the Philippines, in Indonesia, in Malaysia. He's helped his own
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  Speaker 1: artists blow up there too. So there's that they can
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  Speaker 1: connect you to digital marketing, you know beasts. They also
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  Speaker 1: connectet with PR people. You know, my partners connected me
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  Speaker 1: with the team at YouTube Music, right, you know, maybe
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  Speaker 1: some people at different DSPs here and.
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  Speaker 2: There, because it's hard to like know, like you know,
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  Speaker 2: a lot of people like you should have a rapid
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  Speaker 2: YouTube music and I do now, right, But like it's
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  Speaker 2: not like you would know that unless somebody was like, yo,
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  Speaker 2: let's you need a repid YouTube music.
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  Speaker 1: Because the labels own that. The labels they got was
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  Speaker 1: like they got their people, they gave they gay keep
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  Speaker 1: the ship for sure. And if you're an artist and
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  Speaker 1: you're like, I want to grow, I want to blow up.
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  Speaker 1: I know I can make good music, and you don't
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  Speaker 1: have that kind of mentality of like i'll sit patient,
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  Speaker 1: I'll find the right partners, I'll build this myself, it's
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  Speaker 1: then a label's probably for you, you know, because even
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  Speaker 1: though they're gonna take what they're gonna take out of
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  Speaker 1: your pie, they're going to give you. They're going to
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  Speaker 1: give you a structure and a framework that you're not
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  Speaker 1: gonna get for yourself. For me, that's not just not
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  Speaker 1: the case, Like I'm gonna get it for myself, and
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  Speaker 1: I was able to get it for myself.
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  Speaker 2: What for people don't know and don't understand or grasp
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  Speaker 2: because digital marketing means so much and it's evolving depend
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  Speaker 2: I mean, it meant one thing three years ago, five
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  Speaker 2: years ago than what it means today. I know, like
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  Speaker 2: for a minute, it was like, hey, you know, all
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  Speaker 2: of my digital marketing homies would be very like they
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  Speaker 2: would do services for major labels, you know, Interscope, whatever,
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  Speaker 2: and they would essentially help connect Like let's say you
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  Speaker 2: had a record or a project and they would be like, look,
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  Speaker 2: we we have.
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  Speaker 1: X amount of user.
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  Speaker 2: They would call them user curated playliffs if they have
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  Speaker 2: access to so they'd be like, Yo, there might be
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  Speaker 2: a this Fast and the Furious thirty playlist that has
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  Speaker 2: like two hundred thousand saves on it. We'll get you
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  Speaker 2: on it and we and we know the guy who
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  Speaker 2: runs that and like twenty and it's like it might
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  Speaker 2: be some kid in Utah or something.
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  Speaker 1: Probably is.
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  Speaker 2: And it's like that is a way to kind of
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  Speaker 2: because at the end of the day, like when you
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  Speaker 2: put a new I mean then like it's changing because
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  Speaker 2: Spotify has changed lot of the rules. But it's like
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  Speaker 2: you wouldn't want to hit that release radar.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you kind of want to as soon as you drop,
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  Speaker 1: have everything lined up to where it hits algorithmically. Yeah. Yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I mean I think digital marketing looks like a lot
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  Speaker 1: of different things. I'm not a I'm not a digital
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  Speaker 1: marketing professional, so there's a ton of shit. I don't know,
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  Speaker 1: but I know a big part of it is, like
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  Speaker 1: you said, those those indie playlists, it's knowing the right
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  Speaker 1: and most efficient spend of capital on creating UGC like
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  Speaker 1: user generated content on different platforms. You know a lot
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  Speaker 1: of people just piss money away to influencers. Yes, you know,
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  Speaker 1: and I've done that. I've been guilty of myself. You know,
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  Speaker 1: We've spent at times twenty grand, twenty five grand, fifteen grand,
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  Speaker 1: ten grand. Here there at influencers who are going to
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  Speaker 1: make videos to your song, and it doesn't lead to
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  Speaker 1: anything but the right people who know how to spend
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  Speaker 1: the right amount to the right influencers. Perhaps that actually
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  Speaker 1: can lead to, you know, driving up the usages of
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  Speaker 1: your song on these social media apps like TikTok and
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  Speaker 1: ig and then maybe that does lead to songs becoming
• 16:05
  Speaker 1: a trend and that and then you do see like
• 16:07
  Speaker 1: it's still viable when the song becomes a trend, it
• 16:09
  Speaker 1: still pops.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's almost like you gotta like I feel like
• 16:11
  Speaker 2: if you have a you know, I've dealt with this
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  Speaker 2: with a company close copy before, but It's like you're
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  Speaker 2: the marketing guy at a label or a distribution company
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  Speaker 2: will be like, hey, we have X amount of people
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  Speaker 2: that we think fit this song for TikTok.
• 16:27
  Speaker 1: We could get like ten of them, yeah yeah that
• 16:30
  Speaker 1: are smaller, or we can go after like two big
• 16:32
  Speaker 1: ones and spend fifty grand. Right. Yeah.
• 16:36
  Speaker 2: It's like, you know, he's just kind of picking and
• 16:38
  Speaker 2: choosing what makes sense and then also making sure like
• 16:42
  Speaker 2: the people who you're giving money to align with your vibe.
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: Sure yeah, or your ethics. And at the end of
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: the day, I'm a firm believer of this song has
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: to pop on its own, no matter what. If you
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: pour fifty grand, one hundred grand, say you pour million
• 17:00
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  Speaker 1: so much money. There's a lot of these big dudes
• 17:07
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• 17:09
  Speaker 1: perfect example. You're just one hit away. Some motherfucker. TI
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but there's people who are quote unquote more relevant
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  Speaker 1: Of course, they're just bleeding money because there's this belief
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  Speaker 2: Do you do a lot of I see Larussell talking
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: about the amount of money he spends on ig ads.
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: He spends way more than me. But do you do
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: it that very minimally? You? I probably should do more
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: when I saw how much l Russell spends. It really
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: made me think, oh shit, maybe I'm under indexing.
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: So is your game essentially like we're gonna keep throwing
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: shots in the algorithm. Yeah, and like if one out
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: of five of these, you know, the.
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  Speaker 1: Last couple of years, So if you would ask me
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: that question two and a half years ago, I didn't
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: need to spend money on ads. My shit was just popping,
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: like every time I posted something to me.
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: But I also feel like you were put I feel
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: like it's important to just throw as many shots.
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: Obviously quality shots, but you got shot volume quality. Yeah,
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: you gotta find the nexus of volume quality. Yeah. But
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: you know, listen, when the world was different, I'll just
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: say I was able to put up anything. Everything I
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  Speaker 1: put up was a hit. Everything I put up was
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  Speaker 1: a hit two mil, one mil. A bad post was
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  Speaker 1: like five hundred k, seven hundred k. But I didn't
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  Speaker 1: need I was like, why would I run ads? My
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: shit's getting for sure. I'm getting twenty million, ten million,
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: four million last couple of years for a variety of reasons.
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: I think the apps have dried up. And now it
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: leads you to wonder if people like Larussell are showing
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: you a blueprint I don't know. I had to, I'd
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: have to try it myself. I have put you know,
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: like when I see a post that gets a mill
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: on its own, Yeah, maybe I'll throw one hundred bucks
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: at it, one hundred and fifty bucks at it. But
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: the amount of money that Larussell was saying he throws
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: at it, he put Yeah, it really made me think like,
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: oh shit, maybe I'm not spending enough money to market
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: this shit.
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: So you are an artist who is of Palestinian and
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: Lebanese descent, the last two years happens, Yeah, you're very
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: vocal about what's going on. Do you notice any sort
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: of industry or algorithmic downside, Yeah, for sure, everywhere everywhere.
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: You know, at this point it's not a shadow man.
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: Just remove the word shadow right, right, because we're seeing it,
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: especially on apps like that are now owned by the
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: Ellison bros. Right, Like I saw TikTok.
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: From you, and you see these viral clips of these
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: let's just call them lobbyists who are saying, if you
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: say anything critical of Israel, we will monitor you. We
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: have AI tracking you, we will go after you, we
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: have people, we have watchdogs going. Well, there's like the
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  Speaker 1: dude who owns the Patriots says he has a fucking
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: center inside at the State. Yeah, that's insane, And there's
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: like and then the ad l's crazy. Well, so here's
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: the thing, right, Like I said, it's not a shadow
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: band anymore, no telling you what they're doing. They're telling you,
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: they're telling us what it's suppressious.
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: It's the biggest crazy outwards suppression of free speech we've
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: ever seen.
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean people used to think I could tell,
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: even maybe people in my circle used to think that
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: I was maybe a bit paranoid about like why my
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: shit wasn't hidden, right, right, And I could take accountability
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: like there is a percentage of the reason why my
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: ship's not hidden because over the last couple of years,
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: I just was I was not well mentally. So when
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: you're not well mentally after everything we've seen, you're not
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: going to make music that connects the way sun and
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: moon or leave me or free me did like I
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: had to, I would there's some accountability for yourself, of course, dude, Yeah,
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: my creative self was not there, like, so I'm going
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: to just start with that because I had a paradigm
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: shift this year where I said I got to even
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: though I know they're suppressing me, even though I know
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  Speaker 1: they're banning me, even though I know they're watching me.
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  Speaker 1: I will never break out of it. If I'm constantly
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: saying it's them, it's them, it's them. I got to
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: just fucking create something so damn good that they can't.
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: It's unfunck Withavable, it's undeniable, Like I have to make
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: a song at this point that just breaks through to
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: the point that they just have to kind of be like, well,
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  Speaker 1: fuck it, you know, do you be?
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  Speaker 2: Cause I was thinking like there was this period of
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: time where it felt like people kind of saw what
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: was going on, but everyone was like super super pussy
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: to say anything.
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: Not anymore. Yeah, yeah, but I feel like I would say, like,
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: would you say, like, it's probably been about a year
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: and oh probably it's probably like.
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: A year and a half where I feel like people
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: are like, yeah, nah, free Palestine's cool now.
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: I just I just feel like we're in this like
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: space where when the artists are so big that are
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: saying these things and you have guys like the Weekend
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: donating money where he's donating money and like obviously his
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: team's got their background and yeah, of course, it's like
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: you get to a point.
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: Where it's like.
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: I just the proper I guess you know there the
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: is it propaganda? Would that be the ship that like
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: gets fleshed out, that's artificial?
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: The information misinformation? There's fucking scripts that get sent Oh yeah,
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: oh yeah, yeah, there's prompts some ship. Yeah but when
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: did you initially?
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: Because when because obviously when you speak out about what's
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: going on, this is the thing that you and your
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: people have been dealing with for years. Yeah, this has
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: been an issue that is weighed on you know, people
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: from the Middle East, from Palestine for so long. Do
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: you feel like, uh, it doesn't feel like there's any hope,
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: especially right now.
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: I don't think Palestinians ever lose hope. That's the one
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: thing I will tell you. Even in the darkest, even
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: in the most evil, even in the most disparaging moments,
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: the one thing you'll see, which which I think we
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: have seen thanks to social media, is the hope of
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: the people in Gaza in Palestine. If they hold on
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: to their hope, it tells a dude like me and
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: the diaspora, what the fuck business do I have giving up?
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: You know what business do any of us here have
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: giving up if there's people still there in Gaza, Like
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: I saw a video the other day where amongst the rubble,
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: the entire city flattened, there was this like one hundred
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: yards long table for them to break their fast for Ramadan, Right,
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: so they just had an if thot in amidst a
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: destroyed city. If they have that kind of constitution about themselves,
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: where they're like, Okay, you have completely destroyed our home
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: and yet among the destruction, we're going to praise God
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: and be steadfast. It's crazy and that and listen. But
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: that's why they are doing what they're doing, because Palestinians
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: are unbreakable. That's the thing that they're not normal, they are.
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: There is something about Palestine is especially in Palestine, that
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: is a bit superhuman. They have a they have this unbreakability,
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: and I think for the oppressor it's especially irksome because
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: how much more can you do? You've flattened entire cities,
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: You've killed hundreds of thousand reb What they're doing in
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: the West Bank, it's crazy that. Like I obviously, whether
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: it's the Epstein files or the Iranian war.
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: Like the football has been thrown around so much that
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: like we don't even talk about what's happening in Gaza,
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: yeah every day, or even Lebanon, yeah.
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: Or the West Bank or Yemen or it's death by
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: a million stabs. Right. It's like, if that's one thing
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: I learned early in this last couple of years, is
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: there's something quite profound about the ability of the oppressor
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: to numb you by just doing all this evil all
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: at once, that you almost can't even properly grieve any
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: of it because it's not stopping its ongoing. But what
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: I will say is because you brought up the Epstein files,
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: I saw a post the other day that the searches
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: of the Epstein files ever since this, Yeah, and that's
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: not and I think we need to put that that
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: is on accident, that is not. The Epstein files was
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  Speaker 1: the talk of the world. Look, they were the ward
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  Speaker 1: of launches.
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  Speaker 2: The night the war launchers they deleted like forty five
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: thousand files.
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they get forced to put him back in. And
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: then while we're bombing the ship out of nothing to us, yep,
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: you start seeing, oh Trump might have raped the girl
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: with Jeffrey Epstein. Ye, yeah, and no, how was that nothing?
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: But this is crazy. But the sad thing is it's
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: it's the ability for Trump to obfuscate Epstein visibility with
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: the war and Iran. Is the same tactic used to
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: obfuscate what's happening in the West Bank. Like, no one's
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: talking about all these settlers running, running rampant, murdering kids
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: and burning homes and because taking killing people's crops, killing people,
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: stealing their their their goats and their olive trees. And
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: this is not worthy of talking about on the internet,
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: because it takes a back seat to Gaza, right, they
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: both deserve to be right.
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: Like the West I mean, obviously the West Banks a
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: lot more people are aware of what's going on there
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: because of the attention that the Gaza situation, but it's
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: still every day people in the West Bank are And
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: you're like, yo, there's people who can't even walk to
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: see their family.
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, they can't walk on streets. The West Bank
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: is living. People in the West Bank are living through hell.
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: And yet because Gaza is happening at the same time,
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: because the genocide is happening at the same time, those
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: in the West Bank, it's almost like they don't get
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: proper attention. And it's the same, But it's the same
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: tactic with the Epstein Files and Iran. It's if you
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: can do so many horrific things all at the same time,
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: there's no way that the people can properly spotlight most
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: of it.
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: Well, I think it's too It's like when you think
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  Speaker 2: about the selective humanity that so many of these fucking
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  Speaker 2: pussies have, where it's like, hey man, you were against
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  Speaker 2: different waterfountains.
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: But you're cool with that in the West Bank. You
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: understand that's happening at like a worst level. Yeah, you're cool.
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: You're cool with that in the occupied territory what Yeah,
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: I mean it's like there's whole streets that Palestinians can't walk,
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: they cannot walk down. Yeah, I saw. Like there's even
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: like if you need to get somewhere, there's like people
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: who have to like go over the roofs to get
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: there because they can't walk on the street in certain
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: to see certain family members. It is I think you
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: drew the perfect parallel, right when people look at Jim
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: Crow America, they have no.
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: Black eye on American history. Yeah, but it's happening right now,
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: and it's a Western, I supposedly Western ideological country.
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: It's an American ally right ally to nobody. Well, so
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: you know, it's just, uh yeah, it's one of those
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: things where I do to take it back to your
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: original question of hope, I don't lose hope. I don't
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: lose hope. Palestinians don't lose hope. Lebanese don't lose hope.
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: I don't think any any survivors. I don't think any
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: of these I don't think anybody that has gone through
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: what they've gone through in Palestine and Lebanon, Yemen, Sudan, Congo,
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: I don't think any of them lose hope. But that
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: you know, at the same time, it may take a
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  Speaker 1: long time. It may take a long time.
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• 31:55
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  Speaker 1: my brother's over there. On the dark side thing, I
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  Speaker 1: was just.
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: Gonna I wanted to get to let's get darker with
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: There's just so much shit going on that like should
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: be the biggest story in the world. The fact that
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: like Jared Kushner and this border piece bullshit is essentially
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: they're having like you know, uh, conference rooms at the
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: Hyatt meetings trying to get investors into Gaza.
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean they're not they're not. They're not hiding it. Anymore.
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: They're not Listen, the monsters are in plain sight and
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: they don't feel like they have to hide it anymore.
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: And I think the last few years sadly they they
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: kind of decided, like what happens if we just expose ourselves,
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: Well that's one of these people do enough, and we haven't.
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: If you're Phoebe dat Yahoo and you are the extreme
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: side of the Israeli government and the extreme side of Zionism,
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: I feel like you kind of the jigs up because
• 35:00
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• 35:01
  Speaker 2: midterm where if you take a pac money, it's like
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: your death wish. On the left, well hopefully hopefully and
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: maybe even on the right for something.
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think hopefully over time people will realize I
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: don't want to vote for an A pack candidate, but also, uh,
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: it goes beyond a pack, Like we just need campaign
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: financial reform in gine like we can just sends United
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: as a joke. We can't exactly, we cannot be left
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: with special option between the A pack candidate or or
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: the big arm of candidate or the big gambling candidates. Correct,
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: you know, like we we just need to start having
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: America will be fucked. Until our political system is safe.
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: We need a hard reset, man, a hard reset on
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: how campaign finance works, hard reset on how how voting works. Yeah,
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: and it's like the like I tell people this all
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: the time, It's like America genuinely has nothing to offer
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: the world but movies, music, and weapons. This is our
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: fucking export. We export culture and weapons. And I guess AI,
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Like, I don't even get
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: me started on AI. Oh AI, shit's crazy. That's why
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: they're fucking Iranian school got bombed. AI is is. I'll
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: gladly always stand Tanto's down on fuck AI. That's just
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: how I feel. It's the worst I think AI as
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: you see it in music is a cancer to music.
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: And look, there's always gonna be people, and even some
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: of my own friends will be like, but dude, AI
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: can be used for good, just like anything AI can
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: be when used properly, sure when if hypothetically, if it
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: could be used only in the right ways. But one
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: of the chicks from Open AI resigned yesterday. Did you
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: see that I did not.
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: She resigned because she said she could not in good
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: faith stick around because she doesn't believe in AI. Having
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: essentially giving AI the right to decide who lives and
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: dies entially disgusting.
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: I mean you look, I mean we've seen enough movies
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: growing up. Yeah, it's like they but they all desancitized
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: for reason exactly. Maybe I thought at first those movies
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: were meant to warn us, Maybe it was meant to
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: condition us, like no, no, no, it's okay. That's like the
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: alien shit, No one cares if alien. If a fucking
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: alien came down tomorrow'd be the tenth biggest thing going on,
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: the hundred percent, it'd be like, well, now, like you know,
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: the alien, but Epsteine files Iran. But at the end
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: of the day, what I've what I've come to see
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: with AI is this, sure, are there plausible good uses
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: for AI? Why not? In theory, who runs it, where
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: does the money go? Who controls it? Where else are
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: they using it? Are the same people that own it
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: and run it and control it using it to murder? Yes,
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: girls in Iran or or they've a lot of those
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: target sites in Gaza. We're all hundred percent a so so,
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: so you just have to ask yourself, uh, what are
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: the opportunity costs? And in my opinion, the opportunity costs
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: are way too high with a I and I just
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: don't fuck with it. Way too high. Yeah, they and
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: everybody who's behind these companies, they all feel like the
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: most evil people. It's a bunch of super villains. Dude,
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: it's all like evil fucking nerds.
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: Deil and the dude who runs what's the bru's name,
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: who runs Palanteer, who looks like he's just fucking twacked
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: all the time. These guys are like they're the bad
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: guys in the Incredibles.
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they're they're they're they're they're evil, evil small men,
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: and they control our government. Yeah they're fucking yeah. It's
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: it's hard, man. When I open Next every day, I'm
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: just like, that's why we just make happy music.
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: Do you find it to be your big theory, because
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: like obviously you do make happy music. You make like
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: like your music is it feels like intentionally positive of
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: course in the world that especially yours, the world needs it,
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: you know. Do you feel like like a mission to
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: make sure, like course the message is always positive?
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: My duty? I mean, I went really hard as an
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: activist the last few years, and I think in many
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: ways my activism was a positive. But I've come to
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: realize that my greatest gift that I have to give
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: is to contribute into the world light through music. I
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: know that sounds cliche, but like I have a really
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: strong gift to give the world joy and love and
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: happiness and freedom and healing and music. That is what
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: I'm meant to do. I know it. I've always known it.
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: I've known that since I was a summer camp counsel,
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: Like that's what I do in a very special way.
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean, of course, I mean there are
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: people who have shown me, even friends of mine who
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: survived from the genocide that told me, like, you know,
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: they'll listen to this song or that song or oh
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: our doctors in Gaza the say, yeah, well put on
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: your songs to keep our spirits up. So of course
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: I always know that one of my greatest responsibilities on
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: this planet is to, you know, bring music into the
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: world that contributes light.
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, would you say like influence wise, because your music
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: is very particular to you. I feel like it's a
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: unique sound. You kind of sometimes you're rapping and you're singing. Yeah,
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: it's hard to find a lot of comparison. Is there
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: any any sort of you know, inspiration you pull from musically.
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, of course a lot of older artists. I think
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: I'm very inspired by a lot of seventies artists. Bill, Yeah,
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: seventies is the greatest era of music, without doubt the best.
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: I put up a post on this on ig the
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: other day and it sparked a lot of debate. But
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: I will stand Tanto's down. The seventies is the greatest
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: era of music. Is the golden era of music. You
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: got Bill Withers, you got James Taylor, you got Stevie Wonder,
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: you got Jim croche he got the Eagles, you got
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: the Beg's, you got Fleetwood Mac, You've got Skinnered. Come on,
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: I mean, can you think of an era greater than
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: the seventies? I personally, the seventies fucks man. The seventies
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: fucks hard, hard, and and some of my greatest inspirations
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: are from the seventies. You know, whether that be Like
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: I said, Bill Withers, Jim Crochey, James Taylor.
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: I think the seventies was so fire and like, listen,
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna get hell for this. I think the eighties.
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: The worst era of music, the worst era of music.
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: My Mom's jamming out, throwing on God, this ship is trash.
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: Now there's some shit in the of course there's J Prince.
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: A lot of it was so just cookie cutter bullshit.
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: I'm like, the seventies was so wrong. Yeah, there was Listen,
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: there was the right balance of technology in the world
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: in the sense right by the eighties they had too
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: much tech. They had no idea what the fuck to
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: do with it. There's a lot of fun around, a
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: lot of air spray. Yeah, So of course they had
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: MJ they had prints. There's some of the greatest movie
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: of all time for sureties.
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: But in totality, when you if you just put on
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: like the best of the eighties, you'd be like.
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: Compared to the seventies, bro come on, seventies right, and
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: nineties probably in early two thousands. I love the nineties.
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: Three of the best decades of music of the last Yeah,
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: my favorite decades the nineties just because Yeah, but seventies
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: is right there. I'll put the seventies a the top for me.
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: If I had to pick a top five, it will
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: go seventies at the top and nineties to two, and
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: then we'll work our way down.
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: So like a hip hop wise. Were you a big
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: hip hop kid at all? So, like, what were you
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: listening to a crazy range of hip hop? Everything from
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: shit I would find on dat pith. Uh Yeah, like
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: King Los Immortal Technique.
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: Shouts to Mortal Tech, Man, we need an Immortal Tech
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: of twenty twenty six. Yeah, he's still around and doing
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: his thing.
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: Man, we need a young I've been saying this, shit,
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: who's our Immortal Tech?
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: Like, if they're kids in high school right now, they
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: need their own fucking version of a Mortal Tech. I
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: think there's some versions. I'd have to think about it
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: before I answered that. I think there's some people. But
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: but yeah, uh tech King Los. But on a more
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: mainstream level, like I grew up listening to a lot
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: of Fifty, a lot of Kanye, a lot of t I,
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: a lot a lot of like Atmosphere, Lauren Hill Shop
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: with Slug and ant Man. Yeah who else did I
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: listen to? A lot Loope? Yeah? I think I think
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: I bounced around a lot, but it wasn't Yeah, I
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: mean hip hop was a big part of it, but
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: it wasn't just hip hop. The game I drove, I
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: drove to and from school listening to a lot at
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: walle Wal.
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: You say you have so you do a summer camp thing.
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: You say you have a summer camp in Phoenix. Do
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: you have these in different places? No, it's just in Phoenix.
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: I uh so used to be a summer camp. Yeah, counselor.
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: I worked at a church camp growing up.
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: Okay, so you'd be like, summertime, would you play the guitar?
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: We'd be around a campfire activity makingmores, like like in
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: the movies. Yeah, like in the movies, man, but just
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: like way more wholesome. Uh. I grew up at church camp.
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: That's where I like, that's where I found myself. Now
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: in Phoenix, my best friend Jason created a summer camp
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: for first generation college kids, you know, kids that are
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: trying to get a lot of the kids in the
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: Maryville community that are many of many of whom are Marryvale,
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: the Trenches. Yeah, many of whom are first generation Mexican Americans,
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: first first ones in their family to go to college.
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: And it's a college access camp. So Jason created this camp,
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: and I've done what I can to help and we
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: and we basically the work is to help these kids
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: become you know, generational trendsetters. So now their family, they
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: won't be the first one in their family to go
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: to college, but just the first of many of many.
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: And so yeah, I think working with kids and working
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: in summer camps is my greatest joy. Yeah, just giving back. Yeah.
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: Did you do you feel like you got a lot
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: of that from from watching how your dad would help
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: people as a lawyer.
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think subconsciously for sure. I grew up in
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: a house of activists and and givers and philanthropists, and
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: a lot of it just comes from my faith. Like
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: I'm a believer. I'm a believer in in doing good
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: for other people. I'm a believer in in seeing God
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: and others. I'm a believer in and loving your neighbor.
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: And you know, sometimes that can take place within the
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: context of something religious, like my church camp that I
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: grew up, But the church, the camp we do in
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: Phoenix is not religious, but it's that to me. It's
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: still a still in many ways of ministry. If you will,
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: you're ministering to other people. My music, if you ask me,
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: is a ministry. You know. Do I make it religious? No?
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: I keep it agnostic because I don't want people to
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: feel like it's not inclusive. I want anybody, whether they're
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: religious or not, to hear my music and feel drawn
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: to it. But I do look at my music as
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: a way of trying to invite people into something divine,
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: which is love, which is light, which is healing, which
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: is joy. There's a guy named James Tallerico who just
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: won in Texas, Texas. He had his reason why he
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: because he's very, very Christian. Yeah, but he the right kind.
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: His approach to why you should keep school and church
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: separate is similar. It's like, we don't want to make
• 46:05
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• 46:07
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  Speaker 1: do you feel about selective Christianity if it's a big
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  Speaker 1: thing right now, my boy, you just open up a
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: can of worms. It feels like not all Christianity is
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: the same. It just feels like it could be like
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: the bumper sticker for twenty twenty five selective Christianity twenty
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: twenty five. Yeah, listen, I'm gonna say something that would
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: probably give me in a hot hot water on the internet.
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: But I really don't care. I'm an Orthodox Christian, right,
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: a Christian from Palestine. Christianity obviously started in Palestine. Orthodox
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: Christianity is the original church, right. And then you know,
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: we learned about this in school, the schism between the
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: Orthodox and the Catholic, like that these are. There was
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: one church with five patriarchs. Then the Patriarch of Rome
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: decides they're going to go on their own way, and
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: that's when there became Orthodox and Catholic right. And then
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: from Catholic there's become a million offshoots right, Protestant, Lutheran right.
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: And then come to America and you got Baptist, you
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: got Evangelical, you got whatever, so on and so forth.
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: What I would say is, and I don't mean this
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: to judge anybody. I don't I don't hold judgment in
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: my heart. But it's pretty obvious when you see some
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: Christianities are really just a brand for an underlying movement.
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: And sometimes that movement is Christian nationalism or white nationalism
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: or k considered themselves exactly and so, and it's not
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: to say that there can't be Christianity in America. That
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: doesn't that is not pure like there is you know,
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: you know I'm Orthodox. I'm an Orthodox Christian. But of
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: course there are other Christian churches doing God's work, But
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: there are also a lot of other Christianstian churches doing
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: the devil's work. And there's a lot of Christian churches
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: doing some really dirty, nasty, evil, racist shit. And to me,
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: as a Christian, you know, it sickens me because that's
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: not Christianity. And you know, I've always said it to
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: my friends. Some of these churches, it's like if if
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: Christianity was a certain teaching, right, just like math might
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: be a certain teaching. One plus one is two. Some
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: of these churches have gone from one plus one is
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: two to one, plus one is three to one, pust
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: one is seven to one, pust one is twenty two. Right,
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: and you start changing these rules, it's no longer Christianity.
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: When love for your neighbor is not a rule in
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: your church, that's not Christianity. When compassion and forgiveness and basically,
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: the more a church starts to the more a church
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: stops reflecting Christ, that's not a Christian church. To me.
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: The more I look at a church and I don't
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: see Jesus anywhere, to me, I don't see this as Christianity.
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: I say that as an orthodox Christian and I stand
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: on that. And you know, I think most real Christians
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: would affirm that.
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: You're working on a tour coming up? Yeah, uh, you
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: already have it routed or what? Yeah, the routing is
• 50:11
  Speaker 2: pretty much done. When is it kicking off?
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: Start? Yeah, it'll start in late August and we'll go
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: through September.
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: You mentioned the Philippines earlier. Is there a market that
• 50:21
  Speaker 2: is more random than the Philippines that just loves what
• 50:24
  Speaker 2: you're doing that You're like, Hey.
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: I got a popular Philippines who rocks with me. Malaysia, Malaysias,
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: Malaysius fucking with me. Yeah, Indonesia's fucking with me, all
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: the great places. Yeah. South Africa's fucking with me. I
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: haven't been to South Africa. Australia is fucking with me.
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: Have you been in Australia? I have it. Did a
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: little tour there, was it cool? That was awesome? Yeah?
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: You know, you know who else is randomly fucking with me?
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: I get whenever I look at my Spotify data and
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: I and I and I get so like interested, like
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: of which countries out of the blue funk with me, like,
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: there's some islands that fuck with me. Portugal folks with fire. Yeah,
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: but I've been to a lot of these places on
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: tour because I'm a firm believe resident independent artist. When
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: when a country raises their hand and says, hey goes
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: to your music, you got to go to them. And
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: I say that as a hypocrite because I've never gone
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: to the Philippines yet. I need to know, you got
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: to go, man. I know, I know, I know, I know,
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: I know. I know the Philippines all for some reason
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: everyone in my life is Filipino me too. They have
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: really great food, great food, great voice is great. Solier.
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: Just don't accidentally bring weed there because oh it's a problem.
• 51:29
  Speaker 2: Well, they're like they'll just like the jails there. I've
• 51:32
  Speaker 2: watched a documentary about the jails there. They don't fuck around.
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: It's its like Britney grinder shit.
• 51:36
  Speaker 2: Not maybe not as bad because I think it's is
• 51:39
  Speaker 2: it Indonesia and Malaysia where like you're like, if you
• 51:41
  Speaker 2: bring drugs into these it's.
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: One of them, You're sure.
• 51:44
  Speaker 2: But Philippines they're just like everyone lives on top of
• 51:46
  Speaker 2: each other and these like jails and like they theyrest
• 51:50
  Speaker 2: know this. Yeah, they don't play about weed. But Philippines
• 51:54
  Speaker 2: is the vibe. Grateful, great great food, great people. My
• 51:58
  Speaker 2: producer and music director is Filipino.
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: Filipinos great DJs, best DJs, and best breakdancer. Some of
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: the first people to ever show me love and really
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: help me like get exposed in the in the music world.
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: Like Joe koy Joy is the reason why I got
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: a Kimmel. You know, he's the one that hooked that up.
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: And uh, you know the artist j Rowa that I
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: made a song with the Sun and Moon remix with
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: that played a huge role in the song popping off.
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: You've been all over the country. What's your favorite food
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: city in the US? Oh? Stop it favorite food city
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: in the US. I mean, it's so cliche, but it's
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: New York. But if we take New York out of
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: the equation, favorite food city in the in the US
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: would be and I'm going to be biased here, but
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: I think it's d C. D C. Really yeah, I
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: think it's DC. People don't realize this. DC has such
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: a rich fusion of immigration. Best. The first time I
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: ever had a falafel was in Washington. Really, it was
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: a Georgia's on M Street.
• 53:05
  Speaker 2: I don't know where it was at, but I had
• 53:07
  Speaker 2: a falafel like little sandwich and it was the first
• 53:09
  Speaker 2: time I ever transport.
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: There's a Michelin Star Palestinian restaurant in DC called elb
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: run By Chef Raffidi. I think it's the only Michelin
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: Star Palestini restaurant in the country. Bro, And next time
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: I go to DC, I'll take you. Please, just remind
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: me this is the best dinner I've ever eaten outside
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: of my own home. It was insane the stuff they're
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: doing at Lby and they have multiple different branches of
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: their their operation, but it's it's the best food I've
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: ever eaten out.
• 53:40
  Speaker 2: Slept On and not talked about enough. I don't know
• 53:42
  Speaker 2: if it's slept On. I think my vote just because
• 53:47
  Speaker 2: you can get high level everything.
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: Okay, Las Vegas, Oh wow, Okay, I've only been there once.
• 53:54
  Speaker 2: Las Vegas has every pocket. They got to the fanciest
• 53:59
  Speaker 2: version of everything town. They got a Filipino town, they
• 54:02
  Speaker 2: got a Hawaii they got Hawaii pocket. Anything you needed
• 54:06
  Speaker 2: in the like, wherever you're from in the world, there
• 54:09
  Speaker 2: is a high level version of in Vegas.
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: In Las Vegas. I only did one show there and
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: I didn't get to eat. But let me give you
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: a top five food cities. He didn't. That's this all right,
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: We're gonna go New York. I'm gonna get a lot
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: of hate for this. We're gonna go to d C.
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: D C. Three, We're gonna go. I'll give it to
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: Los Angeles. Now Leade's got heat. Man, it's fine. It's fine.
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: It's cliche, but I fine. Now we got to get
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: a little bit more niche. Four, I'm gonna give it
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: to Chicago, Try Town. And in five i'm gonna give
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: it to Seattle. Seattle a lot of culture in Seatatle's
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: got a lot of good Asian Foodah, lot of good
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: Asian food. Yeah. I think it depending on your taste,
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: because like, if you love Asian food, Vancouver, Seattle, the
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: whole Northwest is it. It's banging, banging, it's banging, and
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: Seattle just has like really good vibes. I love Seattle,
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: but if you like barbecue, you might say, fucking yeah,
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: Austin or Carolina or something that I probably left out.
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: Sustin's got some shit, honorable mention. Maybe I put Austin.
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: Austin's up there. Yeah, sure, all right, So tours coming,
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: music coming? Uh yeah, yeah, we're dropping songs every month.
• 55:18
  Speaker 2: What's your strategy there? Is it like you got to
• 55:20
  Speaker 2: make sure you don't go too long without giving something
• 55:23
  Speaker 2: out or is it just yeah?
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: I mean I think Look, Russ always talks about like
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: if you're not dropping a song once a month, like
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: how bad do you really want it? As an independent artist?
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: That resonates with me. I was in album mode the
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: last three years, just focusing on album, album, album. Right
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: now I'm liberated from that. I don't want to think
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: about an album until my heart tells me it's time
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: for an album. So it's just single, single, single, single, single.
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: I popped off of singles, yeah, for sure. People don't realize.
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: Like Sun and Moon, I followed that up with like
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: six singles, and so I know what the blueprint is.
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: So right now it's just me creating as many good songs.
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: That's why I'm out here in La. I've been here
• 55:59
  Speaker 1: for three weeks and we're just in the studio relentlessly. Uh.
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: And collaboration is key right now. Like I just made
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: a song with l Russell that was beautiful and now
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna get in the studio with some of my
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: other favorite artists. He had a freestyle that they tried
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: to suppress, which I mean which one was that he
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: went to, Uh, you could bleep it out, but he
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: went to the La Leakers and he talked about Palestine
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: A hopefully I didn't want to put it out. I
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: didn't put it out. What the fuck?
• 56:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah that's crazy. Yeah you could take that out, but yeah,
• 56:29
  Speaker 2: just incredible told him he couldn'tut it out because Jess
• 56:31
  Speaker 2: Renol's Jewish.
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: Oh there you go, super zio bro. Yeah, there's as
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: They're not gonna let that hit flyt to Russell down,
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: call him out on Twitter. And then he put it
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: out on his own ship. Oh wow, so the Russell
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: put it out. Yeah, he ended up. He ended up
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: putting it out, putting the free like shooting a video
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: in the bait. Yeah, let me give l Russell his
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: flowers real quick. He stands ten To's down with the people. Yeah,
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: and it's not just it's not just his people, it's
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: not just Palestine. He stands ten Tento's down with the people,
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: the people in general. You got to go to his house.
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: People in Vallejo. Go see the pergola. We've been a
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: couple of times. That's where we made the song. Oh
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: you win. Yeah, it's so, isn't it crazy? Bro? He
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: has a venue in his backyard and then.
• 57:12
  Speaker 2: Like mom and dad are running the march in the
• 57:14
  Speaker 2: garage and it so probably showed you.
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: As he had he had a chef there. The moment
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: I got there, the dude came out with a bowl
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: of chicken noodle soup. I needed that fire Yeah, so
• 57:23
  Speaker 1: fire shots, Russell, Sun and Moon platinum gold. You know
• 57:27
  Speaker 1: it probably is. I just haven't gotten any any plaque.
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: You have to like, uh, what do I got? I don't.
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: I don't. You have to do something with our I
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: A to get it certified. But you should do that, dude.
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: The song has like over five hundred million streams. Definitely
• 57:39
  Speaker 1: it's at least gold. But that's a cross, right, not
• 57:42
  Speaker 1: just Spotify. It's good. It's gold at least, right, Go
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: get a plaque, But you gotta put something to black people.
• 57:47
  Speaker 1: Hit me up. I want a plaque. No, you got
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: to hit them. I gotta hit them up. That's how
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: it works. They're not going to do you any fucking now.
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: And I gotta pay that. It's expensive, right, these are expensive.
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: Oh no, you have to buy the plaque, but our
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: I a A there's a way to get your record it.
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: I don't know how it works. But then you got
• 58:02
  Speaker 1: to spend like thousands on the plaque, right.
• 58:05
  Speaker 2: I didn't buy any of these, but I think they're
• 58:08
  Speaker 2: between like seven hundred and like two grand, depending on.
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: I'll get my plaque when the time is right. You
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: deserve it. I do deserve it. You are in that
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: shit anyway. Well, I appreciate you pulling up and looking
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: forward to seeing you on the road. Man. Thank you
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: for taking the time to hang out. Brother. Of course,
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