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Cardinals season preview with manager Oli Marmol · Cardinal Territory: A St. Louis Cardinals Podcast

• 0:05
  Speaker 1: Hey, what's up.
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  Speaker 2: Hello, Welcome back to Cardinal Territory. This is episode seventeen
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  Speaker 2: and it's a very special one.
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  Speaker 1: I'm Katie Wu, He's.
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  Speaker 2: Trevor Rosenthal, and our very first guest interview in the
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  Speaker 2: long two month history of our podcast is Saint Louis
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  Speaker 2: Cardinals manager Alie Marmel.
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  Speaker 1: We are so excited you are here, Oliver. How are you?
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  Speaker 3: Thanks for doing I'm doing no, absolutely, I'm doing well.
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  Speaker 3: How are you guys doing.
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  Speaker 4: Great? Yeah?
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  Speaker 5: I mean talking to the manager of the Saint Louis Cardinals,
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  Speaker 5: my favorite baseball organization, and you know.
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  Speaker 3: You get to talk to me every Monday.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I get you know, that's the advantage here is.
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  Speaker 5: You know, Allie and I we have a close relationship.
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  Speaker 5: I have a tremendous amount of respect for you. And
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  Speaker 5: we actually talked about a week ago and we're talking
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  Speaker 5: about you know, this is your nineteenth spring training.
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  Speaker 4: You've been man a lot of success.
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  Speaker 5: You've done an incredible job as in the Saint Louis
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  Speaker 5: Cardinals organization specifically, So congratulations.
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  Speaker 4: Man.
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  Speaker 5: I don't want to I don't want to overlook that
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  Speaker 5: because that's that's not very common. You've you've been around
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  Speaker 5: getting comfortable. I think one of your strengths, and and
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  Speaker 5: this even speaks to our relationship, is is your your
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  Speaker 5: ability to make feeld players feel like they're they're they're
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  Speaker 5: they're scene right, and that you that you really just
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  Speaker 5: care about them, and and that seeps over into your
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  Speaker 5: personal life. But in the position that that you're in
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  Speaker 5: as the manager, I think when I when I think
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  Speaker 5: of the Saint Louis Cardinals and the guys in that clubhouse,
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  Speaker 5: I know that.
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  Speaker 4: They that they feel that. Besides that, in your nineteen years,
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  Speaker 4: what do you what do you think?
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  Speaker 5: What do you think there is to improve on? What
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  Speaker 5: are you looking to to do better this year?
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  Speaker 3: Man?
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  Speaker 6: Personally, every off season you go through a list of
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  Speaker 6: like what do you what went well?
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  Speaker 3: What didn't you know? And there's there's plenty to improve on.
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  Speaker 3: We did some things well as a staff.
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  Speaker 6: But when I look at you just mentioned the couple
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  Speaker 6: of things that stand out to you, those are actually
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  Speaker 6: things I want to continue to get better at, Man
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  Speaker 6: because like as the bench coach, if I'm being honest,
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  Speaker 6: you are the mediator between the manager and the players.
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  Speaker 3: You're constant, You're in constant communication with them. You have
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  Speaker 3: a little bit more time.
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  Speaker 6: To build those relationships, and then you become the manager
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  Speaker 6: and it's a lot of your time goes to kind
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  Speaker 6: of media and doing press conference and doing a lot
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  Speaker 6: of things and on that side of things that you
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  Speaker 6: don't have that responsibility as a bench coach. So what
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  Speaker 6: I want to get better at is creating space in
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  Speaker 6: my schedule where there's nothing.
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  Speaker 3: I tend to book things like back to back to
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  Speaker 3: back to back and just like go from one thing
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  Speaker 3: to another, player.
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  Speaker 6: Meetings, staff meetings, medical, and I'm starting to create space
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  Speaker 6: in the schedule where I just have nothing, like absolutely
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  Speaker 6: nothing booked and it allows me to spend time with guys,
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  Speaker 6: whether that's a staff member, a player, or just an
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  Speaker 6: opportunity that presents itself where I don't have to move
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  Speaker 6: anything my schedule.
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  Speaker 3: I can just be present, Right.
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  Speaker 6: So I think the better I get at that relationally, like,
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  Speaker 6: I think it's it's a good thing for everybody.
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  Speaker 3: So I'm trying to improve at doing nothing.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: No, I mean I think it's interesting you kind of mentioned,
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  Speaker 5: you know, going from your role as as a bench
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  Speaker 5: coach to now a manager. I imagine those two things are
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  Speaker 5: completely different.
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  Speaker 4: And uh, I mean what are.
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  Speaker 5: What are some things that you've kind of learned along
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  Speaker 5: the way in terms of like your your coaching philosophy
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  Speaker 5: or or leadership that that has really affected the way
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  Speaker 5: that you manage.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, over communicate is always a good thing. Making sure
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  Speaker 6: that players are never guessing where they stand. At times
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  Speaker 6: you can assume that players know something or that they
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  Speaker 6: know how you feel, but being able to express that
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  Speaker 6: in a way that's meaningful. I think my personality tends
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  Speaker 6: to be fairly direct. I just think it's easier to
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  Speaker 6: do life that way. But what I've gotten better at
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  Speaker 6: is understand that that's not everybody's form of communication, right
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  Speaker 6: and at times like I have to take a step
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  Speaker 6: back and put myself in the shoes of that player,
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  Speaker 6: that staff member and how I communicate. So yeah, man,
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  Speaker 6: I think that's the name of the game, is being
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  Speaker 6: able to actually be honest with yourself and like, man,
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  Speaker 6: what do I do well? What do I don't do well?
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  Speaker 6: And how can improve on those things? And that's what
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  Speaker 6: the off season's for. And you have to have people
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  Speaker 6: in your life that will just shoot you streat as well, man,
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  Speaker 6: like just tell you what you're missing, what your blind
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  Speaker 6: spots are, and that's always a plus.
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  Speaker 1: Oliver.
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  Speaker 2: I think we've talked about this a lot during the
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  Speaker 2: seven days of camp. This is a difference from training,
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  Speaker 2: but different doesn't necessarily mean bad. But when you're looking
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  Speaker 2: at the transition for phase is what John Mozailac likes
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  Speaker 2: to call this, and you're looking at the overall youth
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  Speaker 2: in your clubhouse, what's different for you as a manager
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  Speaker 2: and how you're approaching this year?
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  Speaker 6: Man, I think that space I'm talking about where I
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  Speaker 6: have nothing in my schedule, just being able to spend
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  Speaker 6: more time with those guys. Our staff is really emphasizing
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  Speaker 6: making sure that these guys don't.
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  Speaker 3: Care about them, that we're here point we have their.
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  Speaker 6: Back, and with these young guys, they're gonna have times
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  Speaker 6: where it just doesn't go their way and how they
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  Speaker 6: respond to that's going to be important. So being able
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  Speaker 6: to give them the tools to handle those situations before
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  Speaker 6: they happen, it's going to be important. So that's the
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  Speaker 6: biggest difference is understanding we don't have a ton of
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  Speaker 6: veterans in there, and that just allows the staff to
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  Speaker 6: be a little bit more active when it comes to
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  Speaker 6: the things that you would rely on the veterans to do.
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  Speaker 6: So it's to your point, it's different, but different doesn't
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  Speaker 6: in any way mean bad.
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  Speaker 3: So yeah, I'm really looking forward to the year.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, there's.
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  Speaker 5: I like, you know, there's a strong veteran core, you know,
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  Speaker 5: especially with the starting pitching.
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  Speaker 4: You know we have.
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  Speaker 5: I I'd be it'd be a shame to bring up
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  Speaker 5: the Nole and Aeronauto situation because it's so fresh. But
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  Speaker 5: the reason I really am interested to bring it up,
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  Speaker 5: and you've been kind of we've been talking about.
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  Speaker 4: This so far.
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  Speaker 5: Early in the episode we're talking to Olie Marmele on
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  Speaker 5: Cardinal Territory, part of the Foul Territory Network. But you're
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  Speaker 5: talking about the clubhouse and the culture and of course
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  Speaker 5: you know saying those Cardinals just a lot of rich tradition.
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  Speaker 5: We talk about the Cardinal way, doing things the right way,
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  Speaker 5: playing baseball the way it's meant to be played. And
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  Speaker 5: the reason I bring up Aeronaudo is because you look
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  Speaker 5: around the league, look around the Baseball League, look around other.
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  Speaker 4: League sports teams.
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  Speaker 5: Players in his situation don't always handle it as gracefully
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  Speaker 5: as he has.
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  Speaker 4: He's come in.
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  Speaker 5: Man, he's been a true professional, and I just want
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  Speaker 5: to give him a lot of credit, a lot of credit.
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  Speaker 4: I know, I know that doesn't happen solo. I know
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  Speaker 4: that's not just him.
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  Speaker 5: I know you've said you've had conversations with him consistently
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  Speaker 5: throughout the offseason, and then I'm sure in preparation for
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  Speaker 5: the media scrum on the first day that he arrived,
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  Speaker 5: you know, there was some work that was done ahead
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  Speaker 5: of time. So you know, I just want to point
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  Speaker 5: that out because it could have gone a different way,
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  Speaker 5: and I know for someone in your shoes, he probably
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  Speaker 5: makes that a lot easier. So we can talk about him,
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  Speaker 5: we can talk about the veterans in the starting rotation.
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  Speaker 3: But I was worried zero, right, Like, I'm just being honest.
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  Speaker 6: He's a pro, so I know a lot of questions
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  Speaker 6: were asked leading into his arrival, like, man, is it
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  Speaker 6: going to be awkward? It's not like Nolan's a pro,
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  Speaker 6: And as soon as he walked in like it was
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  Speaker 6: business as usual. I mean, this is a guy that's
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  Speaker 6: a high competitor that makes other people great, so having
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  Speaker 6: him come back and walk through those doors was awesome.
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  Speaker 3: Man.
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  Speaker 6: I was happy to kill him a hug and welcome
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  Speaker 6: him into camp and get this ball rolling, But I
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  Speaker 6: think it was made a little bit more of a
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  Speaker 6: big deal than what it kind of turned out to be,
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  Speaker 6: is especially within the walls, you know.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think again it goes back to how
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  Speaker 2: the communication was handled, and Nolan is very similar to
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  Speaker 2: you just be straight up with him, and I like
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  Speaker 2: what you said when he came to camp. You have
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  Speaker 2: a one of the best third basemen in this generation,
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  Speaker 2: a future Hall of Famer walking through the camp. Why
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  Speaker 2: wouldn't you be excited? And now your job maybe gets
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  Speaker 2: a little bit more difficult. And this is not to
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  Speaker 2: suggests that Nolan Arnatto coming back to the Cardinals is
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  Speaker 2: a bad thing.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think anyone is saying that. But what you're now.
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  Speaker 2: Managing, and this is something you and Mo have alluded to,
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  Speaker 2: is you need to go back and figure out how
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  Speaker 2: the opportunity and runway exists for giving those young players
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  Speaker 2: the opportunities that you want them to And I'm wondering,
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  Speaker 2: from your perspective, how difficult is that going to be
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  Speaker 2: in spring? And what excites you about the challenges that
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  Speaker 2: lie ahead and figuring that out.
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  Speaker 6: It's gonna be tough. I mean, I'll be honest with you.
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  Speaker 6: The math does look different, and that's not a bad thing.
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  Speaker 6: It just looks different and you have to account for
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  Speaker 6: some different things. Now that Nolan's our third baseman.
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  Speaker 3: That's a good thing. Now we have to figure out
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  Speaker 3: who it impacts the most and how we're going to
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  Speaker 3: kind of give at bats to the rest of the
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  Speaker 3: group in a way that's meaningful for the long play
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  Speaker 3: that we've all talked about.
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  Speaker 6: So part of this might figure itself out as we
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  Speaker 6: get through camp. Hopefully we stay healthy all the way throughout,
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  Speaker 6: and some tough decisions have to be made. But I
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  Speaker 6: like the fact that we have some options and we'll
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  Speaker 6: talk through it the closer we get and we'll make
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  Speaker 6: a decision that makes sense. But at the moment, just
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  Speaker 6: let them play and see where it leads.
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  Speaker 5: So, you know, as a as a pitcher, I'm biased.
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  Speaker 5: You know, we were just into a couple of days
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  Speaker 5: of full camp, but it's been pictures and catchers, And
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  Speaker 5: there's reason pictures and catchers arrive a week earlier. We're
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  Speaker 5: pretty important, right, Like, I mean, you could say that
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  Speaker 5: we got to get our extra.
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  Speaker 3: Work in and get our talking for sure.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm a picture and and when I look at
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  Speaker 5: when I look at the catching situation for this team
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  Speaker 5: this year, it's it's really the first time and maybe
• 10:02
  Speaker 5: I don't know, thirty years to go all the way
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  Speaker 5: back to Metheeni, you go back. You know, we had
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  Speaker 5: we had Yati and then Wilson Contreres, like three veteran
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  Speaker 5: guys that have been at the helm of this organization
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  Speaker 5: for a long time, and this year we have guys
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  Speaker 5: that aren't necessarily veterans, And so I'm just interested, you know,
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  Speaker 5: from from the catchers that you've had in camp so far.
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  Speaker 4: Obviously there's paid Pijes and Herrera.
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  Speaker 5: But you know, what does the support look like for
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  Speaker 5: them to be able to grow into this role?
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  Speaker 6: Dude, they're really good at what they do. Like you,
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  Speaker 6: they're they're different as far as what they bring to
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  Speaker 6: the table. But you look at Paz, this is a
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  Speaker 6: guy we talked about it a couple of days ago. Man,
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  Speaker 6: he comes through the minor leagues. He's somewhat sloppy with
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  Speaker 6: his diet and just the way he goes about it,
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  Speaker 6: and he makes a change to really tighten those things
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  Speaker 6: up and take his career serious. Knowing that man like
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  Speaker 6: I need to give myself the best shot to be
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  Speaker 6: a big leader, and he makes certain adjustments and he
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  Speaker 6: gets that opportunity and he gains the trust of the staff.
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  Speaker 6: He gains the trust of the pitching staff to the
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  Speaker 6: point where you trust him in any game situation with
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  Speaker 6: the game on the line like that he is prepared
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  Speaker 6: enough to call what needs to be called. He takes
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  Speaker 6: ownership over that. His preparation is incredible. So credit to
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  Speaker 6: him for the work put in Herrera, another guy who
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  Speaker 6: has matured a ton over the last couple of years
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  Speaker 6: when it comes to the way he prepares for a
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  Speaker 6: game and starts to understand his pitching staff, understands the
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  Speaker 6: opposition and how to bring those two together based on
• 11:37
  Speaker 6: game situations. So they both have made tremendous leaps and
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  Speaker 6: it allows us to make the move with Wilson in
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  Speaker 6: order to keep him healthy and playing one sixty two
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  Speaker 6: over the first in DH.
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  Speaker 3: And give these two young guys a shot.
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  Speaker 6: But yeah, do they have the experience in the years
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  Speaker 6: of a Matheni or the odd or any of those
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  Speaker 6: guys now, But we're planning for the future and these
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  Speaker 6: two guys are going to play an important role in that.
• 12:02
  Speaker 1: Ollie I want.
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  Speaker 2: There's a lot I want to get into specifically about
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  Speaker 2: your managerial style and what is going to change or
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  Speaker 2: if anything's going to change.
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  Speaker 3: So this was going to be fun.
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  Speaker 1: Whichever you should do.
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  Speaker 2: The ag read that was so much better than anything
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  Speaker 2: All right, OLLI, let's get into it, because I do
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  Speaker 2: think this is interesting, and I think this is something
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  Speaker 2: that fans don't offully get to see the side of you.
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  Speaker 2: But you are one of the most accessible and often
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  Speaker 2: insightful managers in the game. I mean, there are multiple
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  Speaker 2: times over the course of the season where I go
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  Speaker 2: into your office after.
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  Speaker 1: A game and I'm not seeing something and you.
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  Speaker 3: Let me know.
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  Speaker 2: But you then take the time to really explain things
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  Speaker 2: from your perspective and your point of view, and it
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  Speaker 2: just makes so much sense. And I think Cardinals fans,
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  Speaker 2: especially who have that baseball knowledge and that that desire
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  Speaker 2: to know everything about the game, could really appreciate that.
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  Speaker 2: So for the last three years we've seen your managerial style.
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  Speaker 2: Something that I think you do really well is manage
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  Speaker 2: the versatility.
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  Speaker 1: In your lineup. We saw that a lot last year
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  Speaker 1: when you had to.
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  Speaker 2: You know, the offense wasn't performing, so you're trying to maximizing,
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  Speaker 2: maximize what you could get out of each day. The
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  Speaker 2: bullpen use last year was excellent. This year, though, you're
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  Speaker 2: in managing not just to win the game that day,
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  Speaker 2: but to maybe put the foundation of the future in perspective.
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  Speaker 2: And how does that change for you?
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  Speaker 3: It will be different.
• 15:44
  Speaker 6: It'll add a layer of difficulty, but in a good way.
• 15:48
  Speaker 6: And to your point, I don't think I've done a
• 15:50
  Speaker 6: good job of that. When I think about explaining certain
• 15:55
  Speaker 6: things to the fan base or communicating in a certain way,
• 15:59
  Speaker 6: I think I do at more in private, and then
• 16:01
  Speaker 6: people just see the quick two minute presser at the
• 16:05
  Speaker 6: end where it's just kind of sometimes little heated, sometimes
• 16:09
  Speaker 6: just answering and keeping things short, but doing a better
• 16:12
  Speaker 6: job of like explaining the why I think is important.
• 16:16
  Speaker 6: But to answer your second question, it's it will be
• 16:20
  Speaker 6: different because you're wanting to make.
• 16:22
  Speaker 3: Decisions to win a game, but you're also thinking about the.
• 16:26
  Speaker 6: Long game here of setting the foundation for some of
• 16:29
  Speaker 6: these young guys to gain experience and fail succeed and
• 16:32
  Speaker 6: fail again, but to know what that feels like in
• 16:36
  Speaker 6: order to have that experience, you know, So there's decisions
• 16:41
  Speaker 6: that will be made that are long term decisions that
• 16:44
  Speaker 6: in the short term may not make the most sense.
• 16:47
  Speaker 6: And that's a bigger conversation that will have as we
• 16:49
  Speaker 6: get closer to campus to what do those areas look
• 16:52
  Speaker 6: like when it comes to pinch hitting and what it
• 16:55
  Speaker 6: looks like the leverage innings.
• 16:57
  Speaker 3: The starting rotation. So I think there's a lot of
• 17:00
  Speaker 3: questions that.
• 17:01
  Speaker 6: Aren't completely answered just yet, and they're not supposed to be.
• 17:04
  Speaker 6: As we get closer, I think you start to define
• 17:07
  Speaker 6: that and bring more clarity to it.
• 17:09
  Speaker 3: So that's where we're at at the moment.
• 17:12
  Speaker 5: Yeah, kind of piggybacking off of that talking about just
• 17:15
  Speaker 5: your your your managing style. And you know, analytics have
• 17:19
  Speaker 5: become a big part of the game, and and for
• 17:21
  Speaker 5: good reason. I mean, anytime we're making decisions, more information
• 17:25
  Speaker 5: is better, and analytics have have found a way to
• 17:27
  Speaker 5: be very accurate with the information that we get.
• 17:29
  Speaker 4: And so, you know, I'm just wondering.
• 17:31
  Speaker 5: You mentioned like the bullpen and pinch hitting decisions, how
• 17:34
  Speaker 5: do you balance analytics versus.
• 17:36
  Speaker 4: Just your you know, in game gut feeling. What does
• 17:39
  Speaker 4: that look like?
• 17:40
  Speaker 6: Yeah, it's it's funny because I get hammered by like
• 17:43
  Speaker 6: the traditional fan for being too analytical, and then by
• 17:46
  Speaker 6: the analytics teams for being too traditional. So it's it's
• 17:51
  Speaker 6: it's a sweet lose lose. But here's the way I'll
• 17:55
  Speaker 6: answer that. I want as much information as possible when
• 17:57
  Speaker 6: I'm making the decision, and I mean like as much
• 17:59
  Speaker 6: as possible, Like I want to be the one to
• 18:01
  Speaker 6: filter through it and figure.
• 18:02
  Speaker 3: Out what is useful, what is actionable.
• 18:05
  Speaker 6: So I asked my group, whether that's the baseball development
• 18:08
  Speaker 6: team or our coaches, to just give me. I mean,
• 18:11
  Speaker 6: just dump all info and allow me to kind of
• 18:15
  Speaker 6: see the game, know the player.
• 18:17
  Speaker 3: And make a final call on it and whether it
• 18:19
  Speaker 3: works or not. That's baseball.
• 18:22
  Speaker 6: But having a good blend of that is important. Like
• 18:25
  Speaker 6: having the right inputs as far as what you're using
• 18:27
  Speaker 6: in order to make.
• 18:27
  Speaker 3: A decision is important. So when people say I just
• 18:31
  Speaker 3: use my gut, like, I call bs on that all
• 18:33
  Speaker 3: day long, Like.
• 18:36
  Speaker 6: You have enough experience that you've seen this work over
• 18:39
  Speaker 6: time or not work over time? Right, But I think
• 18:41
  Speaker 6: we all if we're making financial decisions, business decisions, baseball decisions.
• 18:46
  Speaker 6: We want as much input as possible before we go
• 18:49
  Speaker 6: ahead and say this go with and making a bullpen
• 18:53
  Speaker 6: decision is no different. Am I watching the game, reading
• 18:57
  Speaker 6: the player, knowing how they handle pressure, knowing how they
• 19:02
  Speaker 6: will bounce back if this doesn't go.
• 19:04
  Speaker 3: Well or it does go well.
• 19:05
  Speaker 6: Like you're there's so many things you're thinking about when
• 19:09
  Speaker 6: you're making.
• 19:09
  Speaker 3: One decision, and sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't.
• 19:14
  Speaker 5: Yeah, Yeah, go ahead, go ahead, Katie.
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: Sorry, well, I think you know.
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: It's a lot about the analytics and the information, and
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: it's also about the staff you have in place. And
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: the Cardinals want to go back to a draft and
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: develop club. Right We've heard Buildwit Junior say that exact phrase.
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: When you look at your coaching staff right now, and
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: this is not a coincidence.
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: You have an.
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: Entire major league staff full of player development experience. Now,
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: in years prior, we've had these conversations the major leagues
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: are not for developing players. But this year, in order
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: to get you guys back on track long term and
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: bring back winning baseball and the culture to Saint Louis,
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: you need to develop in the Major leagues. How do
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: guys like you Pop Warner, Stubby Clapp who you know,
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: you all him up together through the minor league system
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: as coaches. Then you add someone like Daniel descalso or
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: you bring in John Jay and who have real time
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: experience and going through the Cardinals minor league system as
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: players and then coming to Saint Louis and being a
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: part of a championship club that won a World Series.
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: How is the staff this year positioned to start that
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: next mold of next players.
• 20:22
  Speaker 6: The quick answer is that each one of these staff
• 20:26
  Speaker 6: members is extremely passionate about teaching, and that's important, Like
• 20:30
  Speaker 6: that is where they find they're like why, like I
• 20:34
  Speaker 6: love teaching, and you go up and down that list
• 20:38
  Speaker 6: and they all feel that way. But I want to
• 20:41
  Speaker 6: be super thoughtful and who we brought.
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: In and why we were bringing them in.
• 20:44
  Speaker 6: And when you look at our staff to your point, like,
• 20:46
  Speaker 6: it's guys that love player development, that aren't just leading
• 20:49
  Speaker 6: on their plane experience to teach or regurgitate what they
• 20:52
  Speaker 6: used to do, but they are truly like seeking what's
• 20:57
  Speaker 6: the best way to reach a player and with what
• 21:00
  Speaker 6: info and drills?
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: And it's just the staff we have right now I
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: absolutely love them.
• 21:06
  Speaker 6: Like you watch these guys work even today, I'll sit
• 21:09
  Speaker 6: in there watching John j do outfield drills with our guys, man,
• 21:13
  Speaker 6: and the relatability is there, and the drill just I
• 21:18
  Speaker 6: just feel really good about the direction where that's headed.
• 21:22
  Speaker 6: Daniel's super relatable and how he approaches the game and
• 21:25
  Speaker 6: players and guys love him.
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: Brent Brown, I mean, just a preparation maniac. We had
• 21:32
  Speaker 3: a meeting today, and just the way he addressed the.
• 21:34
  Speaker 6: Guys and what he finds important and how he's bringing
• 21:36
  Speaker 6: the group together as.
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: One is awesome.
• 21:40
  Speaker 6: So you want guys that are seeking out every single
• 21:44
  Speaker 6: opportunity to maximize these players' careers, right, Like, can you
• 21:50
  Speaker 6: cultivate an environment where these players will start to do
• 21:54
  Speaker 6: things they didn't even think it was possible.
• 21:56
  Speaker 3: And when you do that right, that's a heck of
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: a lot of fun. It really is.
• 22:01
  Speaker 5: I'm I'm getting pumped up just hearing you talk about it,
• 22:04
  Speaker 5: because I agree. I mean, I played with John Jay,
• 22:06
  Speaker 5: I played with Daniel Descalzo.
• 22:08
  Speaker 4: I've talked about them a lot.
• 22:10
  Speaker 5: I mean, you speak of outfield drills, there was no
• 22:12
  Speaker 5: better guy at getting work in during batting practice or
• 22:16
  Speaker 5: or prior to the game than John Jay. I mean
• 22:18
  Speaker 5: the stuff that he was doing in the outfield, coming
• 22:21
  Speaker 5: up with creative ways and and intentional, purposeful drills for
• 22:25
  Speaker 5: him to get better, and you would see it payoff
• 22:26
  Speaker 5: immediately in the game. And as a team, we're a
• 22:28
  Speaker 5: beneficiary of that. So I'm I'm super happy that Jay's
• 22:31
  Speaker 5: in there.
• 22:32
  Speaker 4: Uh.
• 22:33
  Speaker 5: And and and then also Scoals, I mean, Skoles is
• 22:35
  Speaker 5: a team first guy. And and man, you guys have
• 22:38
  Speaker 5: such a We're lucky to have the core and and
• 22:41
  Speaker 5: you know, we talk about like this transition year. It's
• 22:43
  Speaker 5: a it's obviously a different time. But I've said it
• 22:47
  Speaker 5: before and I'll say it again. I mean, anything positive
• 22:49
  Speaker 5: that happens this year, Ali, like you should get full
• 22:52
  Speaker 5: credit because this is this is a tough uh landscape
• 22:56
  Speaker 5: to navigate as a manager when when there's things happening,
• 22:59
  Speaker 5: thing is changing at a high level with the organization.
• 23:03
  Speaker 4: So man, I'm excited.
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: I appreciate that.
• 23:07
  Speaker 6: But at the end of the day, man, like you
• 23:08
  Speaker 6: want to like if I'm thinking five years on a row,
• 23:10
  Speaker 6: seven two years down to row, ten years on the road,
• 23:12
  Speaker 6: like what's going to be most important. It's just carrying
• 23:16
  Speaker 6: ourselves in a way where that staff really knows that
• 23:18
  Speaker 6: we care about them and you allow them to do
• 23:20
  Speaker 6: their job.
• 23:21
  Speaker 3: We hired Brandt for a reason.
• 23:22
  Speaker 6: We hired Jay for a reason, Like these guys are
• 23:25
  Speaker 6: in these positions. Dusty I mean, came from Duke, comes over,
• 23:30
  Speaker 6: holds a position under the current pitching coach, and then
• 23:33
  Speaker 6: gets the job. Like these dudes are innovative, they're thoughtful,
• 23:36
  Speaker 6: they care, they're knowledgeable.
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: Let them do their jobs and let them know that
• 23:40
  Speaker 3: you have their backs, and then be there for the player.
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: They're gonna be ups and downs this year.
• 23:43
  Speaker 6: Man, as long as they stay confident because they know
• 23:46
  Speaker 6: that you care, then we keep moving. So I give
• 23:49
  Speaker 6: a lot of credit to that staff man because they're
• 23:51
  Speaker 6: the way they're preparing right now. I wish you guys
• 23:55
  Speaker 6: could sit in the room and just watch everything that
• 23:57
  Speaker 6: goes into it in the hour of meetings that we
• 24:00
  Speaker 6: have starting at five point thirty in the morning before
• 24:03
  Speaker 6: the players get here at seven or eight, like it's
• 24:06
  Speaker 6: cool to watch, and then you see it play out
• 24:08
  Speaker 6: or the course of a two to three hour practice
• 24:10
  Speaker 6: and then you deep reef, what did we suck at
• 24:14
  Speaker 6: today as a staff?
• 24:15
  Speaker 3: What drills didn't go well? What did we do well
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: as a staff and players?
• 24:19
  Speaker 6: And then you man put it all together and they're
• 24:22
  Speaker 6: downstairs as we speak right now, it's three o'clock.
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: They're down there prepping for tomorrow's practice, right, and then
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: we'll get here again at five o'clock and ramped this
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: baby up again. So a lot of credit to that group.
• 24:33
  Speaker 4: Yeah, a lot of respect for what you guys do.
• 24:35
  Speaker 5: Thanks for getting thanks for giving us a little peek
• 24:37
  Speaker 5: behind the curtain talking about like the transition, and I'm interested.
• 24:41
  Speaker 5: You know, we're coming off maybe a couple of days ago,
• 24:44
  Speaker 5: full camp, and to start off the camp, at least
• 24:48
  Speaker 5: in my experience, there's always that first day where it's
• 24:50
  Speaker 5: like closed doors.
• 24:51
  Speaker 4: The GM, the owner, you you get.
• 24:53
  Speaker 5: Up and you address the team, and it's closed doors
• 24:55
  Speaker 5: for a reason. Right, we don't deserve to know everything
• 24:57
  Speaker 5: that goes on, but just you know, in terms of
• 25:00
  Speaker 5: this transition and your messaging to the team, like what
• 25:03
  Speaker 5: what what is.
• 25:04
  Speaker 4: Your message to this to this clubhouse right now?
• 25:07
  Speaker 6: Yeah, this was the first year where I kept that
• 25:11
  Speaker 6: room even smaller and my message was fairly short, succinct, direct.
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: And it will stay in that clubhouse.
• 25:21
  Speaker 6: But uh, Yeah, I'm excited about our group.
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: Man. I think they're thinking about this the right way.
• 25:28
  Speaker 6: And I say that I'm talking about the forty man
• 25:31
  Speaker 6: non roster, but everybody that was in there, the coaching staff,
• 25:34
  Speaker 6: the guys that are coming from the minor league's coaching
• 25:37
  Speaker 6: staff that are helping us. It was just I think
• 25:40
  Speaker 6: guys are in the right mindset and are approaching this
• 25:43
  Speaker 6: the right way to build something that's truly lasting.
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: That's the way I would put in.
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Olie, what does excite you about this year?
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: Your question? Trev he.
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: Really good at this? You know what else is good
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: at this?
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: Discalso I've Eparham with so many qui and I didn't
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: get one single answer, but he sounded really good. So
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: whatever you guys are practicing in your media training, it's working.
• 26:06
  Speaker 4: We tried to butter him up, Katie.
• 26:07
  Speaker 5: We spent twenty five minutes buttering him up to get
• 26:09
  Speaker 5: on the inside, and he was yeah.
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: He's just like, no, all right, it got to be better.
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: At Trevor, this is bad.
• 26:17
  Speaker 4: Oh well, I mean okay, so like just a fun question.
• 26:21
  Speaker 4: Let's let's make it fun.
• 26:22
  Speaker 5: Okay, if you could pick one cardinal player, one former
• 26:26
  Speaker 5: cardinal player in their prime to add to this roster.
• 26:30
  Speaker 4: Who would it be and why.
• 26:32
  Speaker 3: In their prime?
• 26:33
  Speaker 4: In their prime?
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: I'm going with ap.
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: Okay, I mean we kind of saw that, We kind
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: of saw what that looked like in twenty twenty two.
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yes, him and his prime is pretty special and
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: I just love him. I love having him around. So that, Yeah,
• 26:50
  Speaker 3: having him in twenty two was cool. It really was.
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: It's one of the highlights of.
• 26:54
  Speaker 6: Just seeing the ups and downs of that season, man,
• 26:57
  Speaker 6: and the conversations that took play and then seeing them
• 27:01
  Speaker 6: go on that run. I was able to talk to
• 27:03
  Speaker 6: them two days.
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: Ago or so, and man, I just I loved everything
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: that happened that year. That was pretty cool.
• 27:12
  Speaker 4: All right, Well how about this?
• 27:13
  Speaker 5: How about I'm a you know, I lived in Saint
• 27:16
  Speaker 5: Louis for eleven years, very near and dear to my heart.
• 27:20
  Speaker 5: All all all of my kids, my three daughters are
• 27:22
  Speaker 5: all born in the city of Saint Louis. Have a
• 27:23
  Speaker 5: lot of close relationships and friends there. It's a great city,
• 27:25
  Speaker 5: great baseball town, but just great city, a lot of diversity,
• 27:29
  Speaker 5: things to do, great food restaurants. What's your favorite part
• 27:33
  Speaker 5: about managing the Saint Louis Cardinals, that.
• 27:36
  Speaker 6: The city only cares about the Saint Louis Cardinals, and
• 27:39
  Speaker 6: that's no disrespect to anything else that's happening in this city.
• 27:43
  Speaker 6: But that's what this city is about. Like the Cardinals
• 27:46
  Speaker 6: are truly like.
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: Part.
• 27:51
  Speaker 6: Like it's it's what matters, right. So I love the
• 27:55
  Speaker 6: responsibility of carrying that, Like I don't take that light
• 28:00
  Speaker 6: at all. Yes, is it fun. Do I have a
• 28:03
  Speaker 6: good time, But it's there's weight to that. And I
• 28:05
  Speaker 6: love the fact that you wake up every morning during
• 28:08
  Speaker 6: the year and there's some real accountability to doing it well.
• 28:14
  Speaker 6: And if you're not doing it well, it sucks and
• 28:16
  Speaker 6: people will hate you.
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: And if you're doing it well, they like you.
• 28:19
  Speaker 6: I willn't get to love you, AND's I think you
• 28:21
  Speaker 6: get they love you once you win a World Series,
• 28:24
  Speaker 6: but they like you they tolerate you if you're winning,
• 28:26
  Speaker 6: you know. But I love that responsibility and that back
• 28:30
  Speaker 6: and forth because it's I mean, I don't think I
• 28:32
  Speaker 6: would do this in a city where there wasn't that accountability,
• 28:35
  Speaker 6: Like it just wouldn't get me excited enough to do it.
• 28:39
  Speaker 6: So being able to do it in Saint Louis and
• 28:41
  Speaker 6: I know nothing else, but Saint Louis. Right to your point,
• 28:44
  Speaker 6: it's the only place I've ever been as a player,
• 28:46
  Speaker 6: minor league, staff member, all the way through to hold
• 28:48
  Speaker 6: the seat today. But that's the fun part. It is
• 28:52
  Speaker 6: being out with my family and someone stops you and
• 28:55
  Speaker 6: tells you how much they appreciate, like what you're doing
• 28:58
  Speaker 6: for the city, whether it's off the field or on
• 29:00
  Speaker 6: the field, like those type of things.
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: That's that's the cool part about it.
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: Well to that point, Olie, we're almost at time here,
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: but I think this one's important.
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: I know, time flies when you're having fun, right, Okay.
• 29:13
  Speaker 3: I am having fun. I'm smiling the whole time.
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: You are you are. What's your message to the fan
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: base this year?
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: I mean, this is this is different, right, and we've
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: talked about the expectations here. This team can still win,
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: it's just not really set out in the way. You know,
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: they didn't spend in the off season, a lot of
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: uncertainty about what the transition is going to look like.
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: But for this year, what's your message to the fans?
• 29:39
  Speaker 6: Yeah, Like when I think about Saint Louis, when I
• 29:41
  Speaker 6: think about what the norm is, the difference is this
• 29:46
  Speaker 6: play on youth right, like it is, it is going
• 29:49
  Speaker 6: to be a youthful team. It'll lack some experience to
• 29:53
  Speaker 6: the degree that we've seen in past years. That's different,
• 29:58
  Speaker 6: but that's that's that doesn't mean it's a bad thing.
• 30:00
  Speaker 6: And I think what's going to be important and I'll
• 30:04
  Speaker 6: find a better way to kind of articulate this, but
• 30:06
  Speaker 6: it's it's filling up that stadium regardless of what's going on,
• 30:12
  Speaker 6: so that these young players know what it feels like
• 30:15
  Speaker 6: to play in Saint Louis, so they understand what it
• 30:18
  Speaker 6: feels like to play in front of like Cardinal Nation. Right,
• 30:23
  Speaker 6: So if I'm a Burlson, and if I'm a Mason Wynn,
• 30:25
  Speaker 6: if I'm a Jordan Walker, if I'm a Herrera, like
• 30:28
  Speaker 6: you go down that list of young guys like I
• 30:30
  Speaker 6: want them to feel. My first time experiencing it was
• 30:33
  Speaker 6: in two thousand and eleven. They flew Amber and I
• 30:37
  Speaker 6: prior to having kids, to the World Series and we
• 30:40
  Speaker 6: sat in the stands and it was incredible. I mean
• 30:43
  Speaker 6: it's a drug, like you literally sit there in the stands.
• 30:46
  Speaker 6: I remember looking around and this place was going wild
• 30:48
  Speaker 6: towels every I mean, it was just nuts and I
• 30:51
  Speaker 6: remember looking at my wife like this is all I want,
• 30:54
  Speaker 6: like this, this is what it's about right here, like
• 30:56
  Speaker 6: I want to I want to do this, and it
• 31:00
  Speaker 6: makes you strive for that exact thing, right so when
• 31:04
  Speaker 6: you hold this seat now, I want them to experience.
• 31:07
  Speaker 3: That version of Cardinal Nation. We're shooting for that, playing
• 31:12
  Speaker 3: for this style of fan base, packed house, that excitement,
• 31:16
  Speaker 3: that energy because it's an exciting group and they're hungry.
• 31:20
  Speaker 3: Are they going to make mistakes? Absolutely, but these guys
• 31:24
  Speaker 3: are hunger to leave.
• 31:24
  Speaker 6: Their mark on this franchise, and I think we're going
• 31:27
  Speaker 6: to see a decent amount of them do exactly that.
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: That's awesome.
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: I'm fired up, and honestly, in six weeks, which will
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: fly by, maybe not for you since you're waking up
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: at four in the morning every day, I'm excited to
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: see what opening day is going to look like. I
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: you know, opening Day to me, no one doesn't it
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: better than Saint Louis. And again, I certainly understand where
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: where some of the fan bases just based on the
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: direction the lack of moves.
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: Again, I don't I don't think it's far faster.
• 31:58
  Speaker 3: I can't get it.
• 31:59
  Speaker 4: I do.
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  Speaker 6: I guess but when we're on top again for a
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  Speaker 6: long period of time, it'll be worth every damn second.
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: So yeah, what a way to end it. That's great, Ollie.
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: Thank you so much for doing this again.
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: It is such an honor that you are our first guest,
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: our first interview. I appreciate it. I will leave you
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: alone for at least forty eight hours this week.
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: Thank you.
• 32:22
  Speaker 3: Don't you buy me seventy.
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  Speaker 1: Two, No, just forty eight.
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: We got games coming up, I got questions to ask.
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: I gotta know who your pushing plans are. So this
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: is wonderful. I know Trevor and I both appreciate it.
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: For those of you following along, you can subscribe to
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: the Cardinal Territory Podcast on YouTube or on Spotify, on Apple,
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: wherever you want.
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: We are there.
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: We got an episode dropping on Friday with Gordon Grissefo.
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: As promised, we are finally hammering out those interviews. So again,
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: for those of you who stuck with us during the
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: two months of nothing going on, consider this your reward.
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: Ollie, thank you again so much for doing this. I'm
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: Katie Wu. Who's Trevor Rosenthal. We will talk to you
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: all very soon.
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  Speaker 3: Appreciate guess