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Best of Chuck & Buck 1-8 · Chuck in the Morning

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  Speaker 1: We'll talk a little college football, but we're gonna talk
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  Speaker 1: more NFL playoffs with him. He's got the call of
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  Speaker 1: the game this Saturday right here on KJR of the
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  Speaker 1: Rams and Panthers game, so we'll get his expert opinion
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  Speaker 1: coming up here at seven oh five. Of course, we'll
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  Speaker 1: have our roundtable today from eight to nine. Hugh Millen
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  Speaker 1: and Greg Bell will be with us for an entire
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  Speaker 1: hour of Seahawks talk right here on Chuck and Buck.
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  Speaker 1: And one thing that I asked Matt hasselback yesterday when
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  Speaker 1: we had him on, because it looks like we're gonna
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  Speaker 1: have him on like all the time now. He joined
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  Speaker 1: us yesterday at eight o'clock. Another thing you should check
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  Speaker 1: out on the podcast there at the old website. And
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  Speaker 1: I asked him, I said, do you feel like they're
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  Speaker 1: peaking at the right time? And his answer to that was,
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  Speaker 1: I don't think they're peaking at all. He said, the
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  Speaker 1: defense is peaking, but I don't see the team playing
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  Speaker 1: its best football right now. And he's I mean, there's
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  Speaker 1: probably some truth to that. I know there's some truth
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  Speaker 1: to that. And so they certainly have another gear that
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  Speaker 1: they can go and probably will need that gear. I
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  Speaker 1: think that defense can win championships. I think that can
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  Speaker 1: be the strongest side of the ball. But you can't
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  Speaker 1: play poorly on defense. I'm not even sure you can
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  Speaker 1: play mediocre offense. I should say, and win the Super
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  Speaker 1: Bowl and this kind of competitive landscape.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I think that there's I think there's some
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  Speaker 2: of the teams that a game manager type game out
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  Speaker 2: of Sam Darnold and the offense could win. I think
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  Speaker 2: there's some team. I mean, if if they go against
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  Speaker 2: the Eagles at some point and the Eagles continue to
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  Speaker 2: look like the tournament right, well, yeah, you're probably not
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  Speaker 2: going to be able to have a mediocre day against
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  Speaker 2: the Rams.
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  Speaker 3: You know that.
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  Speaker 2: I mean I would say, yes, you need to kick
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  Speaker 2: it into gear and be playing as well as you
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  Speaker 2: can on both sides of the ball to win it all.
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  Speaker 2: Otherwise you probably will run into a buzzsaw. But the
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  Speaker 2: idea of what this team's been doing, yeah, I mean,
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  Speaker 2: they're built around the defense, and so to me, it's
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  Speaker 2: if you have to go, hey, A, you're heading in
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  Speaker 2: the right direction or do you feel like you finished strong.
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  Speaker 2: You ended up pulling out that game against the Rams,
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  Speaker 2: but after that, the last two I mean, you put
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  Speaker 2: it on the Panthers playoff team, and you put it
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  Speaker 2: on the Niners playoff team.
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  Speaker 3: For all the marbles, I.
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  Speaker 2: Just feel like the straw that stirs the drink is
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  Speaker 2: the defense, and they're playing they are peaking at the
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  Speaker 2: right tie.
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  Speaker 4: Now, certainly, yeah, I would say, I mean, I think
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  Speaker 4: they've been playing or peaking since what end of October potentially,
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  Speaker 4: But they're just so consistent and you know what you're
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  Speaker 4: getting out of them. And yeah, I think with the
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  Speaker 4: way that they're playing, it's not that it doesn't matter
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  Speaker 4: what your offense does, because obviously it matters what your
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  Speaker 4: offense does, but they're at least doing what needs to
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  Speaker 4: get done to allow the defense to win the game.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, the defense is playing so well that I think,
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  Speaker 1: I really when I did ask that question, I felt
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  Speaker 1: like the Seahawks are peaking at the right time. And
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  Speaker 1: then yeah, the answer, though, gives you pause, makes you think, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: you're right, there's another level to go. I mean, the
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  Speaker 1: offense certainly played better in the first half of the
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  Speaker 1: season than it's played in the second half of the season.
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  Speaker 1: And I don't really even know if momentum matters. I
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  Speaker 1: always when I was a younger broadcaster, I always seem
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  Speaker 1: to emphasize that at this time of the year. But
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  Speaker 1: now that you got a little bit of Patrick wisdom
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  Speaker 1: in your life, you know, once you've had a few
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  Speaker 1: years doing this, you've just seen so many teams that
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  Speaker 1: look like they were gonna stomp everybody out and then
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  Speaker 1: get tripped up in Round one of the playoffs. And
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  Speaker 1: I've seen so many teams that look like they were
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  Speaker 1: just floundering. I remember living in Arizona, and the Cardinals
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  Speaker 1: couldn't have been playing worse at the end of the year.
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  Speaker 1: I think they got beat by the Panthers, like by
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  Speaker 1: fifty points or something like that in the second to
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  Speaker 1: last game of the season, and they and all of
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  Speaker 1: a sudden, playoffs hit and they start playing their best
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  Speaker 1: football of the year. So I don't know what the
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  Speaker 1: magical sauce is. I would just say this, I'd rather
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  Speaker 1: be playing well right now than not playing well. And
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  Speaker 1: maybe you can turn it around overnight once the playoffs.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe you can flip a switch. We've seen it happen
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  Speaker 1: historically to teams. But if you're gonna give me the choice,
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  Speaker 1: I'd certainly much rather be close to peaking right now
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  Speaker 1: than not.
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  Speaker 2: Peaking well, I mean, to me, it feels like, go
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  Speaker 2: the opposite end of it. The Carolina Panthers backed in
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  Speaker 2: about as much as you can back into the playoffs, right,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, losing record, They lost the head to head
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  Speaker 2: against Tampa Bay, but luckily they get help from another
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  Speaker 2: division foe to get in. And now you're going to
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  Speaker 2: be going against another team that is arguably one of
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  Speaker 2: the best in the NFC or even one of the
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  Speaker 2: best in the NFL. It doesn't even feel it feels like, wait,
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  Speaker 2: we've talked about the entire playoffs. It feels like that's
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  Speaker 2: the team of all teams that has the least chance
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  Speaker 2: of winning it all. And now is that because the
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  Speaker 2: way they're playing down the stretch just because they're not.
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  Speaker 2: It kind of feels like that's how they've been all year.
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  Speaker 2: But then they go out and they beat the Rams just
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  Speaker 2: a few weeks ago, so it's I think they're taking
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  Speaker 2: of an upset, but it's not against the Rams.
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  Speaker 3: Well, that's I.
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  Speaker 2: Think that who you want to be is the team
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  Speaker 2: that consistently goes out kind of like Ashley said, like,
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  Speaker 2: who have you been for majority of the year, And
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  Speaker 2: this team has kind of been really competitive every single
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  Speaker 2: game talking about the Seahawks, and you know, but they've
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  Speaker 2: been better defensively the second half of the season. I
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  Speaker 2: mean been like start talking about is this legion of
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  Speaker 2: boom again type stuff? And the offense has fallen off
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  Speaker 2: to some degree. But it's also it's like, yeah, well,
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  Speaker 2: when you're playing a backup quarterback and you give up
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  Speaker 2: zero points and you have twenty, you know, nineteen points
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  Speaker 2: three quarters into it, are you really trying.
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  Speaker 3: To get to forty? No, you're just moving the ball
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  Speaker 3: a little bit.
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  Speaker 2: And if you eat some clock and then if you don't,
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  Speaker 2: you know, put the ball in harms weight for a
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  Speaker 2: pick six, that might give them a chance or make
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  Speaker 2: them feel like they believe, all right, you punt the ball.
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  Speaker 2: Our defense is Max Browsner is not going to do anything.
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  Speaker 2: So it's like, you the game's not always the same.
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  Speaker 2: So the offense at times hasn't looked as great, but
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  Speaker 2: it's still they've done enough. They've done enough, and then
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  Speaker 2: some it feels like with the exception of that LA game.
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  Speaker 1: Well, from what I've heard inside the house, thirteen to three.
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  Speaker 1: They didn't feel this they needed any more than thirteen points.
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  Speaker 1: Going into that game. So, yeah, so they're playing a
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  Speaker 1: little bit differently offensively right now because of how great
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  Speaker 1: they're playing defensively. They're not looking at like we got
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  Speaker 1: to put twenty thirty points on the board right now,
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  Speaker 1: We're not sure we have to do that. That's how
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  Speaker 1: great they're playing defensively.
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  Speaker 3: So I like where they're at.
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  Speaker 1: I like where they're at greed. I like them getting
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  Speaker 1: a BUYE. I like how healthy they are. And yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I think that I think we're ready for this and
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  Speaker 1: everybody else can fight it out this weekend. We'll ask
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  Speaker 1: Ryan Leaf about it. We'll ask them about that Rams
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  Speaker 1: Panthers game. We'll even talk a little college football with
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  Speaker 1: the Washington Koog's legend next at seven oh five, right
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  Speaker 1: after headlines on KJR. When you said we want the
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  Speaker 1: ball and we're going to score, what did our friend
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  Speaker 1: Mike Holmgrian say when you came off the field.
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  Speaker 5: I couldn't tell if he was mad at me or
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  Speaker 5: proud of me. You know, it was like somewhere but
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  Speaker 5: a true story that when that happened, no one really
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  Speaker 5: knew on the field, like you could kind of hear
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  Speaker 5: if m'd have gotten picked up in the stadium sort
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  Speaker 5: of like it was like murmuring as they came back
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  Speaker 5: and I came back to the sideline and he said
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  Speaker 5: something like what did you just do?
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  Speaker 6: You know?
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  Speaker 7: It was like did something just happen out there?
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  Speaker 1: Like because he's got the.
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  Speaker 5: Headset on and it was freezing cold, and I was like,
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  Speaker 5: you know, like what you know? Like there's no way
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  Speaker 5: he'll ever find out what I just did? You know,
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  Speaker 5: and clearly everyone at home new, but in the moment,
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  Speaker 5: and then you know, side note on that, don't regret
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  Speaker 5: it at all, like would do it again, just would
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  Speaker 5: probably change the change the route or the decision or
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  Speaker 5: the throw or whatever.
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  Speaker 1: Oh gosh, he's never going to find out. That was
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  Speaker 1: my favorite part of the story.
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  Speaker 8: Like, this game's not televising, I.
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  Speaker 3: Know what I just did.
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  Speaker 1: This won't even make a ripple.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, no one's gonna know.
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  Speaker 1: That was Matt Hasselbeck with us yesterday. He's our new
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  Speaker 1: playoffs insider. Yeah that's right, playoffs analysts for the entire
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  Speaker 1: postseason run for the Seahawks, however deep that might be.
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  Speaker 1: So we're going to of course chat with him at
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  Speaker 1: least one more time and hopefully several more times every
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  Speaker 1: Wednesday at eight o'clock. So number eight at eight will
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  Speaker 1: be a fixed year throughout the postseason, and yesterday was
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  Speaker 1: our first installment. We want to check it out. Do
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  Speaker 1: so at our podcast ninety three to three kar dot com.
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  Speaker 1: Good morning to you all seven o'clock hour here on
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  Speaker 1: this Thursday, Ashley, Buck and Chuck with you here as
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  Speaker 1: we roll into our seven o'clock hour. In a matter
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  Speaker 1: of a couple of minutes, we'll be chatting with former
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  Speaker 1: Koog's quarterback, the legendary Ryan Leaf will join us right
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  Speaker 1: here on the radio program to talk college football, NFL football,
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  Speaker 1: Seahawks football, you name it. But first let's get through
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  Speaker 1: your frost brewed corse light choose chill headlines. College football
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  Speaker 1: playoff resumes tonight. Ford is the kickoff. Ole Miss versus
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  Speaker 1: Miami will play for one spot in the National Championship Game,
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  Speaker 1: and then tomorrow night it will be Indiana and Oregon
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  Speaker 1: playing for the second spot in the National Championship Game.
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  Speaker 1: Of course, U dub continues its quarterback search now that
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  Speaker 1: they weren't planning on going on, and the name Bo
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  Speaker 1: Prabulah has come up as somebody that U dub has
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  Speaker 1: chatted with. Former quarterback. He's the guy at Penn State,
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  Speaker 1: if you remember that kind of controversially transferred in the
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  Speaker 1: midst of their playoff run. Yeah, because he was backing
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  Speaker 1: up what's his name, and so he transferred out of
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  Speaker 1: there to Missouri, and I guess he didn't like it
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  Speaker 1: in Missouri. So one year at Missou and now he's
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  Speaker 1: in the transfer portal. Yeah, he's in the transfer portal. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: he's in the transfer portal, and so U Dub's chatting
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  Speaker 1: with him to possibly replace Demond Williams Junior. After the
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  Speaker 1: craziness that has gone down here the last forty eight hours,
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  Speaker 1: Seahawks are on by this week, so that means they
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  Speaker 1: won't play until next week. The NFL Wildcard Playoffs will
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  Speaker 1: begin Saturday, I should say at one point thirty with
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  Speaker 1: the Rams at Carolina. More on that in a moment.
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  Speaker 1: Dub can't measure up to the Purdue boiler Makers on
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  Speaker 1: the hardwood last night, the number five team in the
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  Speaker 1: country defeated the Huskies eighty one to seventy three. The
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  Speaker 1: Dogs will next play against Ohio State Sunday at three o'clock.
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  Speaker 1: The Kraken are absolutely on fire. They'll try to continue
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  Speaker 1: that tonight against the Minnesota Wild at seven o'clock right
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  Speaker 1: here on KJAR and Trey Young was traded yesterday by
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  Speaker 1: the Atlanta Hawks to the Washington Wizards. Pretty much just
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  Speaker 1: a financial deal right there. All right, let's talk some football.
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  Speaker 1: Joining us now on the program, he is in the
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  Speaker 1: conversation for greatest quarterback in the history of Washington State Football. Uh.
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  Speaker 1: He's also doing the analysis this weekend on the Saturday
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  Speaker 1: broadcast on Westwood One for the postseason matchup against the
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  Speaker 1: Rams and Panthers.
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  Speaker 9: Uh.
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  Speaker 1: And he now joins us to talk all things football.
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  Speaker 1: Ryan Leaf is with us right here on Chuck and Buck.
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  Speaker 1: Good morning, Ryan, Good morning fellas.
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  Speaker 6: How are we doing out Dalla West Coast?
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  Speaker 1: We're doing great? How how have you been? Give us
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  Speaker 1: an update? How's Ryan Leif doing these days?
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  Speaker 6: I'm just trying to keep my keep my voice, you know, Uh,
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  Speaker 6: you're a bit I did a pretty good job this
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  Speaker 6: year and and uh see me to the lost my voice.
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  Speaker 6: I was calling the STS championship game on Monday night
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  Speaker 6: and it was a spectacular one. So trying to get
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  Speaker 6: the voice back for my first playoff game ever. So
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  Speaker 6: a lot of a lot of boxes being checked pretty cool.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, te and honey, Tea and honey. That's uh, that's
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  Speaker 1: usually the remedy. Yeah. Uh, well, you know, we got
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  Speaker 1: a lot of things we want to ask you about,
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  Speaker 1: but uh, we'll we'll go ahead and start with the
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  Speaker 1: game you're calling this Saturday, the Rams and the Carolina Panthers.
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  Speaker 1: We were just discussing Carolina. I think they're capable ryan
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  Speaker 1: of pulling an up set. I don't think they're capable
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  Speaker 1: of going on a tournament run all the way to
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  Speaker 1: the super Bowl. The problem here is they're facing the
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  Speaker 1: Los Angeles Rams, who they've already beaten once, so they're
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  Speaker 1: not going to sneak up on them. The Rams maybe
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  Speaker 1: have a score to settle as well as a playoff
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  Speaker 1: game to win. So what chance do you give the
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  Speaker 1: Panthers as they head into this matchup with the Rams
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  Speaker 1: on Saturday.
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  Speaker 6: I give them a pretty good chance. I mean they
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  Speaker 6: just beat them a few weeks ago at home. Yeah,
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  Speaker 6: so you know, I think that that goes a long way. Also,
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  Speaker 6: these games and Seattle Sea offf fans should know this
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  Speaker 6: really well. When you have had a down year in
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  Speaker 6: terms of record but still win your division. These teams
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  Speaker 6: have done really really well in Seattle. Of course, you
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  Speaker 6: as everybody remembers the Marshawn Lynch earthquake game where they
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  Speaker 6: beat New Orleans like this is the team that hosts
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  Speaker 6: the game has a better chance and normally has a
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  Speaker 6: better chance to win these football games. And and so
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  Speaker 6: I would expect this to be a very competitive game.
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  Speaker 6: The biggest thing that happened the year, you know, a
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  Speaker 6: few weeks ago, was was Matthew Stafford turned it over,
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  Speaker 6: and it's something he hasn't done a lot of all
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  Speaker 6: year long. You know, a couple of interceptions that really
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  Speaker 6: were costly. So they don't turn the ball over. You know,
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  Speaker 6: they most likely will will have their way DeVante Adams
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  Speaker 6: being back. But you know, I think playoff football is
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  Speaker 6: a much different environment than anybody understands. They have the
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  Speaker 6: advantage there simply because they have done it before. And
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  Speaker 6: this is the first time for a lot of these
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  Speaker 6: Carolina Panthers, including Bryce Young.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, Ryan, I hear what you're saying.
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  Speaker 2: Man, I am curious when I mean, when you just
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  Speaker 2: think about whether it's Carolina or Green Bay kind of
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  Speaker 2: get you know, not necessarily over performing their expectations, but
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  Speaker 2: getting in nonetheless. I mean are you wreckingis and are
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  Speaker 2: seeing and if so, why is it that this season
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  Speaker 2: seems so weird, like unpredictables. I mean, just some of
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  Speaker 2: the top seeds are maybe people that we didn't presume
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  Speaker 2: would be top seeds coming into the season. So I'm
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  Speaker 2: just wondering, is does it seem even in the playoffs,
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  Speaker 2: now that you've got the top fourteen squads out there,
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  Speaker 2: does it seem like it's unpredictable like the way that
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  Speaker 2: the regular season kind of played out.
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  Speaker 6: Well, I think that the playoff picture is really unclear.
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  Speaker 6: You know, there isn't the teams that we've seen in
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  Speaker 6: the past, and then you forget that the Philadelphia Eagles
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  Speaker 6: are defending world champions and they won their division and
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  Speaker 6: they ended up at eleven and six. So I mean,
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  Speaker 6: I don't know if there's a better team in the
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  Speaker 6: NFC right now than the Philadelphia Eagles. They have to
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  Speaker 6: be the favorite by a long way. And so you know,
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  Speaker 6: if you're a betting man, that's that that's the team
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  Speaker 6: you probably should be looking at to to, you know,
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  Speaker 6: get back to the super Bowl. The teams that are
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  Speaker 6: in its way, I think are the Seattle Seahawks and
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  Speaker 6: and the Los Angeles Rams. Those are the two teams
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  Speaker 6: that I think that are in her way in and
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  Speaker 6: it looks like Los Angeles, if they were to win,
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  Speaker 6: would would probably have to make their way to Philly
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  Speaker 6: once again. So you know, we'll see how it all
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  Speaker 6: plays out. But I love this playoff set up. I
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  Speaker 6: love this year with with everything that's played out because
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  Speaker 6: we don't know. And I think the biggest question mark
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  Speaker 6: is in the AFC with a lot of these teams,
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  Speaker 6: you know, never having been in this environment because it's
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  Speaker 6: been outside of the purview of the Kansas City Chiefs.
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  Speaker 6: What will Buffalo do? Will Buffalo, with all their experience,
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  Speaker 6: go into Jacksonville, which I think is the best playoff
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  Speaker 6: game of the weekend and win And if they do,
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  Speaker 6: everybody else better plush their pearls because that means the
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  Speaker 6: Buffalo Bills are the prohibitive favorite I think to win
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  Speaker 6: the Super Bowl.
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  Speaker 1: Kog's legend and strong a voice to broadcaster. Now Ryan
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  Speaker 1: Leaf is joining us here on Chucking Buck this morning.
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  Speaker 1: He's calling the game between the Rams and the Panthers.
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  Speaker 1: I got to pull it a thread. Why, in your opinion,
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  Speaker 1: Ryan Leif are the Seahawks in your opinion, not the
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  Speaker 1: favorite to win it all.
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  Speaker 6: Well, just because they don't have the experience, you know,
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  Speaker 6: that's that's the only thing that places them in a
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  Speaker 6: very short, you know pile there. I mean, it's these
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  Speaker 6: three teams and for whatever reason, they haven't been great
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  Speaker 6: at home this year, you know, so hoolefield advantage is
• 16:34
  Speaker 6: a big deal. But like, they haven't been great at home.
• 16:36
  Speaker 6: You know that you got a couple of their losses there,
• 16:39
  Speaker 6: you know, against the Bucks and against the forty nine
• 16:42
  Speaker 6: at the beginning they probably should have lost well it
• 16:44
  Speaker 6: for sure should have lost that game to the Rams
• 16:46
  Speaker 6: on that on that night game where everything went bonkers.
• 16:49
  Speaker 6: So you know, they haven't played incredibly well at home.
• 16:52
  Speaker 6: So it doesn't vote a lot of confidence with the
• 16:56
  Speaker 6: whole field advantage like it used to, you know. And
• 16:59
  Speaker 6: maybe that can turn around. Maybe the twelve and the
• 17:01
  Speaker 6: way this team performs behind the Twelves can change a
• 17:04
  Speaker 6: little bit since the Legion of Boom years where the
• 17:07
  Speaker 6: Twelves were just a complete difference maker. Now, don't get
• 17:10
  Speaker 6: me wrong, they could go balkers and come out there
• 17:13
  Speaker 6: in the divisional round and make it a real, real advantage.
• 17:16
  Speaker 6: And I hope they do, because I would love nothing
• 17:18
  Speaker 6: more than to see Sam Darnell participate in a Super Bowl,
• 17:22
  Speaker 6: just to you know, absolutely put it back in the
• 17:24
  Speaker 6: face of everybody who called them a bust and ran
• 17:27
  Speaker 6: them out of New York.
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: Hey, by the way, did you ever sneak away from
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: Pullman the c Seahawks games when you were in college?
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: Did you find a way to get over here to
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: watch them?
• 17:36
  Speaker 6: We were our bye week my year in ninety seven.
• 17:41
  Speaker 6: Was was in week two before in between UCLA and
• 17:45
  Speaker 6: USC and I went over and stayed with my friend
• 17:47
  Speaker 6: Bryce Erickson, who who was Dennis Erickson's son, and Dennis
• 17:51
  Speaker 6: was coaching the Seahawks at the time. Bryce had hosted
• 17:55
  Speaker 6: me on my recruiting trip to Miami, and so I
• 17:58
  Speaker 6: went over there and we went to the game. I
• 18:02
  Speaker 6: would expect in this day and age, the NFL will
• 18:05
  Speaker 6: call that a major tampering issue that I was staying
• 18:08
  Speaker 6: at the house of the head football coach of the
• 18:11
  Speaker 6: Seattle seat after the time as a perspective number one
• 18:13
  Speaker 6: overall draft pick. But it was a fun time. I
• 18:16
  Speaker 6: snuck over there. Of course got to watch Dennis and
• 18:19
  Speaker 6: that team, and then of course when I got to
• 18:21
  Speaker 6: San Diego. You know, I'll played against them twice a
• 18:23
  Speaker 6: year for three years.
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, back to just the Seahawks. I mean Sam Donald.
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: I like what you said there of the idea of
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: him getting to a Super Bowl, winning it and being
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: able to kind of shut up the the haters and
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: those that wanted to label them a bust. I mean,
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: it was true, he didn't didn't come out really hot,
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: but then again, who does when they start off their
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: career with the Jets, it seems so. How are you
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: feeling about just the way that Sam Donald has played.
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: He's been getting a lot of heat from some people
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: because of some of the turnovers here and there, But
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: I think that's a fine line because he also is
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: putting up some good numbers and doing some damage downfield.
• 18:59
  Speaker 6: Yeah, anybody's critical of him, I think they are projecting
• 19:03
  Speaker 6: whatever issues they have. That's a damn problem. That's not
• 19:06
  Speaker 6: to say to arnold problem. He's been exceptional. He's won
• 19:10
  Speaker 6: fourteen games back to back years. He kid me with
• 19:13
  Speaker 6: two different teams. You know, whatever you're doing to try
• 19:16
  Speaker 6: to eliminate for giving him as flowers, then you're you're
• 19:20
  Speaker 6: the problem. You know, you just simply are. You can
• 19:24
  Speaker 6: say all the defense is great, the team is of
• 19:26
  Speaker 6: course it is. To win fourteen games in two years,
• 19:29
  Speaker 6: your team better be great in a lot of places.
• 19:31
  Speaker 6: It doesn't diminish what you are as a quarterback and
• 19:34
  Speaker 6: what you've been able to do. So I dislike so
• 19:36
  Speaker 6: much of that when I hear it from other people,
• 19:39
  Speaker 6: because he's been exceptional and he continued to work. I
• 19:42
  Speaker 6: know for a fact his time he's spent down in
• 19:44
  Speaker 6: southern California with Jordan Palmer over the last three off
• 19:47
  Speaker 6: seasons when he was trying to figure it out when
• 19:50
  Speaker 6: he got shuttled from New York into Carolina. I just,
• 19:53
  Speaker 6: you know, to continue to work. It's something I preach
• 19:55
  Speaker 6: and talk about when I go talk to schools all
• 19:58
  Speaker 6: the time, is that you control your attitude, your behavior,
• 20:01
  Speaker 6: and your effort. That's it, And that's exactly what He
• 20:04
  Speaker 6: hasn't listened to anything else. He hasn't tried to control
• 20:06
  Speaker 6: anything else outside that purview. His attitude has been great,
• 20:09
  Speaker 6: his behavior has followed, and the work ethic has been
• 20:12
  Speaker 6: second to none.
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: Here here Ryan Leef with us here on Chucking Buck.
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: He'll be calling Rams Panthers for west Wood one. Right
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: here on KJR. This Saturday at one thirty and speaking
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: of quarterbacks that you'll be analyzing for three and a
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: half hours this Saturday, is matt Stafford your MVP?
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: Yes?
• 20:32
  Speaker 6: By far?
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: Oh Drake May.
• 20:35
  Speaker 6: Drake May's at a great year, don't get me wrong.
• 20:37
  Speaker 6: I mean it's exceptional. And as much as you want
• 20:39
  Speaker 6: to say, wow, the second year versus the guy in
• 20:42
  Speaker 6: his seventeenth or whatever it is, that makes it more
• 20:45
  Speaker 6: impressive because he's doing it in a second year, I
• 20:47
  Speaker 6: don't know. I think it's you know, knowing how old
• 20:49
  Speaker 6: my body is going to be fifty years old and
• 20:53
  Speaker 6: getting up and moving around and being able to play
• 20:55
  Speaker 6: a football game like Matthew Stafford's been able to do it,
• 20:58
  Speaker 6: throw a forty six touchdown passes. I mean that's it's
• 21:01
  Speaker 6: incredible what he's done this year. So yeah, for me,
• 21:04
  Speaker 6: he's the MVP. If you want to make it CO
• 21:06
  Speaker 6: MVPs this year, I'm okay with it. But I think
• 21:09
  Speaker 6: it would be a derelic the duty if if Matthew
• 21:13
  Speaker 6: Stafford didn't walk away with at least a share of
• 21:15
  Speaker 6: the MVP for his performance this year.
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: Oh no, you got to choose one. I mean, they
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: the Indianapolis Colts couldn't sit there and go we want
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: Manning and Leaf with the number one pick. He got
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: to make a decision, Ryan, Nope, you can go with both.
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: No tell me what to do. You're like the Boston
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: meat Chuck had a boy. Hey, real quick, I want
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: to go to college football. Who do you got winning
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: the national championship? And I don't think we can fix
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: it in just a couple of minutes the portal. But
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: what's your thoughts on the portal?
• 21:48
  Speaker 6: Well, we can make it easy this way. I didn't
• 21:49
  Speaker 6: follow college football this year. I don't like the products.
• 21:52
  Speaker 6: I think it's horrible what they've done. I don't even
• 21:54
  Speaker 6: know who's in the final four. I know that jam
• 21:56
  Speaker 6: you made it to the playoff, which was I thought
• 21:59
  Speaker 6: was pretty cool. But yeah, I could care less, yess.
• 22:02
  Speaker 6: Championship Monday Night was the cream of the crop of
• 22:05
  Speaker 6: what you're gonna get for championship football. And then I
• 22:08
  Speaker 6: just followed the back to this year because those are
• 22:09
  Speaker 6: the games that I call, And so next year we'll change.
• 22:13
  Speaker 6: Next year, i'mna have to get a little bit of
• 22:15
  Speaker 6: a broader reach of everything because I'll be calling Pac
• 22:17
  Speaker 6: twelve football and the new and large Pac twelve all
• 22:20
  Speaker 6: over the western part of the country. So I'm excited
• 22:22
  Speaker 6: for that. But yeah, I could care less with what
• 22:25
  Speaker 6: and who wins this championship because it's it's not college football.
• 22:29
  Speaker 6: I don't know what it is.
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: What gets you back?
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: Then?
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: What do they need to do to convince you that
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: college football is what you want it to be?
• 22:38
  Speaker 6: Well, I think they just have to do what's inevitable
• 22:40
  Speaker 6: and make it the National Collegiate Football League and break
• 22:43
  Speaker 6: it into two conferences of around eighteen to twenty two
• 22:45
  Speaker 6: teams and filter out the ones that can't cut it
• 22:48
  Speaker 6: and go back to a college football you know where.
• 22:51
  Speaker 6: Most likely my alma matal Land I suspect Washington will
• 22:55
  Speaker 6: probably land in the National Collegian Football League just because
• 22:58
  Speaker 6: of its brand and everything like that. At UH. And
• 23:00
  Speaker 6: then then you have a commissioner, you know, I would
• 23:03
  Speaker 6: I would argue that that Nick Saban couldn't would probably
• 23:06
  Speaker 6: be the best possible for that. And they just become
• 23:08
  Speaker 6: independents from the MT double A. They will have no
• 23:11
  Speaker 6: say over any of it anymore. It will be a
• 23:13
  Speaker 6: private run thing with a with a commissioner, and and uh,
• 23:17
  Speaker 6: I don't know how sustainable that is to being student athletes.
• 23:21
  Speaker 6: But uh, I think that's the only way you can
• 23:23
  Speaker 6: fix it, all.
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: Right, man, Uh well, hey, we appreciate your time. I mean,
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: we're always open for a great life on Pullman Washington story.
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: If you've got one for us to close it out
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: with you, you got anything that you want to share,
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: anything that is above the belt.
• 23:40
  Speaker 6: So I was, I was there this year four times
• 23:43
  Speaker 6: long games, and I wanted to go play golf. Yeah,
• 23:46
  Speaker 6: And so I called up the Blue Ridge Golf Course
• 23:50
  Speaker 6: and I asked to get a tea time. And the
• 23:53
  Speaker 6: young man on the phone asked if I was an
• 23:55
  Speaker 6: alumni and I said yes, and and he said because
• 23:58
  Speaker 6: it's a game weekend and the rates are higher if
• 24:01
  Speaker 6: you're not an alumni. And I go, no, I'm an alumni.
• 24:02
  Speaker 6: And he goes, he goes, you have an alumni card
• 24:05
  Speaker 6: And I said no, I don't have an alumni card.
• 24:07
  Speaker 6: He goes, well, I can't. Uh, I can't charge you
• 24:10
  Speaker 6: the alumni rate. Then you got to pay the full rate.
• 24:12
  Speaker 6: And I'm like, uh, okay, okay, I guess that's uh.
• 24:17
  Speaker 6: I suppose I could just bring my rosemol helmet in
• 24:19
  Speaker 6: if that would work too. He had no idea. Who
• 24:23
  Speaker 6: the hell I was? What I'm talking about. Point of
• 24:27
  Speaker 6: fact is I never played golf that weekend.
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there's no proof out there that you ever went
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: to Washington State.
• 24:33
  Speaker 10: None.
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: None. All right, man, we'll have fun this weekend. Thanks
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: for joining us for a few minutes. We really appreciate it.
• 24:43
  Speaker 6: Yeah, you back by us, sake it easy.
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: Enjoy the West coast, all right, Ryan Lee joining us
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: from the East coast. It sounds like I'm sure he's
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: already there in Carolina for the call of the game
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: on Saturday. Yes, he will be on the call, uh
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: Ron Westwood one. We will be covering the games for you,
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: so so you will have one thirty Ryan Leaf calling
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: the Panthers and the Los Angeles Rams, and we've got
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: you covered throughout the course the entire weekend. So we
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: appreciate him coming on. Seemed like a good guy to
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: have on right now. I didn't know that he was
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: that adamant. I knew that he was soured, and you
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: understand some of the reasons why being a Washington State alum,
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: I understand why every Washington State fan or alum is
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: soured on the college football product. Right now, I didn't
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: know it was to that.
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: Extent right that he just doesn't even care. Yeah, in
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: the playoffs of JMU.
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, yeah, I mean, I guess there's a lot
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: of people that are very upset about it.
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: Huh. That seems extreme.
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: It's interesting, though, what he brought up, because I wrote
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: down on my notes for our rundown today, I put
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: two different possible topics at seven point thirty U dubs,
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: QB search or minor league football because we talked a
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: little bit about it in our meeting, but he just
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: brought it up, so now I have to talk about it.
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: So he went as far as just giving it a title,
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: the National Collegiate Football League. He's already graduated this process
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: to the NFL taking over, and so I do want
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: to discuss that.
• 26:18
  Speaker 7: Now.
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: We'll do it next. It's Chuck Buck and Ashley with
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: you Sports Radio ninety three point three kJ A r
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: FM tum Man round Table coming up from eight to nine.
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: And lookie, lookie who decided to just stroll into the
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: office here today? Look at that guy?
• 26:38
  Speaker 7: Good morning?
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, Greg Bell.
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: Greg got up early, bounced quarter off his bed. He's like,
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: you know what, he's time some PTM. I jogged down
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: to the studio.
• 26:52
  Speaker 7: Enough with the pushups, let's go to the radio station.
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: So we got Greg, we got Hugh coming up from
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: eight to nine. Plenty of Seahawks conversation. Yesterday at eight
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: o'clock we had Matt Hasselbeck on the program. Looks like
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: he's going to be joining us every Wednesday at eight
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: o'clock through the playoffs, and yesterday was our maiden voyage
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: with Matt Hasselbeck. If you want to check out the
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: entire conversation, please do so on our podcast at ninety
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: three three KJR dot com. Play a little bit of
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: it for you because we asked him about Sam Darnald
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: and whether or not, with this good of a roster,
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: if he's ready to be a Super Bowl champ.
• 27:29
  Speaker 5: No, I don't think so at all. And I think
• 27:31
  Speaker 5: he's let's.
• 27:32
  Speaker 4: Do that over that was that that's not what he's Yeah,
• 27:37
  Speaker 4: you asked him if with the thinking that the whole roster,
• 27:40
  Speaker 4: is Sam Darnald going to get in the way all
• 27:42
  Speaker 4: the getting to the super Bowl?
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: All right, let's do that again. Take two. Is Sam
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: Donald Matt gonna get in the way of the Seahawks
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: winning the Super Bowl?
• 27:51
  Speaker 6: No?
• 27:51
  Speaker 3: I don't think so at all. There we go.
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: That sounds better.
• 27:53
  Speaker 5: You know, he's got that reputation nationally where people doubt
• 27:56
  Speaker 5: him still, but no, I think his his body of work.
• 28:00
  Speaker 5: If you look at last year and this year and
• 28:02
  Speaker 5: you sort of forget maybe his rookie year in New
• 28:06
  Speaker 5: York and you just look at the like when we
• 28:08
  Speaker 5: studied film, when I was playing, it was always nameless faces,
• 28:11
  Speaker 5: you know, so it would be like number fourteen for Seattle.
• 28:14
  Speaker 5: We're not putting a name with Fitz so you don't
• 28:16
  Speaker 5: get it clouded. You know, like a lot of times
• 28:18
  Speaker 5: when I'd be going up against the defensive back in
• 28:20
  Speaker 5: my career late in their career, you know, Like I'll
• 28:24
  Speaker 5: use Champ Bailey as an example. Champ Bailly is one
• 28:26
  Speaker 5: of the best dvs I ever went against. But when
• 28:29
  Speaker 5: I was playing with Andrew Luck in the Indianapolis Colts,
• 28:32
  Speaker 5: we were playing them in the playoffs. Our whole game
• 28:34
  Speaker 5: plan was to double move twenty four. We're going at
• 28:37
  Speaker 5: twenty four. You know, he can't run with t Y Hilton,
• 28:40
  Speaker 5: he can't run with he can't you know, double move
• 28:42
  Speaker 5: with Reggie Wayne. Like that was the mindset that we had,
• 28:45
  Speaker 5: and that was the game plan going into that playoff game.
• 28:48
  Speaker 5: But we would never have said that, like, oh, we're
• 28:50
  Speaker 5: going to attack Champ Bailey Hall of Famer, Like it
• 28:53
  Speaker 5: just it feels weird. In a similar way, I think
• 28:56
  Speaker 5: people do that, you know, to Sam Donald, be like, oh,
• 28:59
  Speaker 5: Sam Donald, well, you know he's not you know, the
• 29:01
  Speaker 5: big names. We know he's not Lamar. You know, like
• 29:05
  Speaker 5: he played better football than Lamar this year. He played
• 29:07
  Speaker 5: better football than Patrick Mahomes, you know.
• 29:09
  Speaker 10: So you know, I think.
• 29:10
  Speaker 5: That's part of it. And I think like even this
• 29:13
  Speaker 5: last game, he didn't throw for two hundred yards, but
• 29:15
  Speaker 5: he also didn't turn the ball over. He put the
• 29:17
  Speaker 5: team in a position to win. He leaned on the defense,
• 29:21
  Speaker 5: and like I said earlier, he was incredibly efficient on
• 29:25
  Speaker 5: the third downs when those opportunities were needed at the
• 29:28
  Speaker 5: end of the game.
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: Matt hasselback with us yesterday talking about Sam Donald. He
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: certainly is a bit of a topic of conversation the
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: national guys. Some are absolutely convinced, others continue to point
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: him out as the biggest question mark in the NFL
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: playoffs this year. Yeah, he has proving to do, but
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: I don't think that we have enough Sam Donald postseason
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: video to watch, film to watch to think that we're
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: going to put him in the category of some guy
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: that can't get it done. For goodness sake, he played
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: one postseason game, had a bad game, and I'm certainly
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: not going to ride him all for that.
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: No, well, I would hope not. I mean, it is,
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: it is what it is. Last year's postseason game wasn't good.
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: Maybe the final regular season game as well. But I
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: mean there's plenty of Hall of Fame caliber quarterbacks that
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: didn't have great first runs through the playoffs, and so
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: I think that a little bit of grace should be
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: granted to the guy. And then you can say whatever
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: you want, but the bottom line is fourteen wins is
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: the most ever for a Seahawks team. He did the
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: same thing last year with the Minnesota Vikings. He's playing
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: good enough quarterback that at this point in time, I
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: think Vegas probably has him as the odds on favorite, right,
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know for sure to win. Yeah,
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: So I don't think that most people are under the impression,
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: even though there's some that just can't get over.
• 30:57
  Speaker 3: And I get it. The first impression was a bust.
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: What you when he came out of college at twenty
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: years old or whatever he was and and failed with them. Fine,
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: but to think that you can't improve from twenty two
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: to twenty five or twenty six, you can't. And he
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: most certainly has. And I think that the most people
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: I know, the people inside the building, and that's the
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: people that matter.
• 31:18
  Speaker 3: They trust him.
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: Sam Darnold, you know he's gonna come on next. No,
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: that guy right over here, Yeah, that guy right there,
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: the one in studio with all right one hour with
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: our Seahawks insider and also our QB one Hugh Millon.
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: It's the twelfth Man Roundtable. Bye Week edition right here
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: on Chuck and Buck Sports Radio ninety three point three
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: kJ r f M. All right, Happy Thursday to you, Chuck,
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: Buck and Ashley with you here Sports Radio ninety three
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: point three kJ RFM. On by week for the Seahawks
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: NFL playoffs getting started this weekend Saturday. I'm looking at
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: the Saturday schedule. Seahawks aren't playing then Sunday, not playing
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: on Sunday.
• 32:17
  Speaker 3: Monday night.
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: It must be Monday night.
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: No, no, no, there is a playoff game on Monday. Yeah,
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: but the Seahawks will not be in any of them.
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: Oh no, they got a buye again. It's they got
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: the number one seed.
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: Best in the NFC by luck, just like they it
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: was luck. I'm pretty sure they had to earn it.
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  Speaker 1: Oh well, must have been pretty good this year. So
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  Speaker 1: welcome into the eight o'clock hour on a Thursday. It
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: is time for our twelfth Man roundtable. We do it
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: all year long, and now we do a bye week
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  Speaker 1: edition with our Seahawks insider Greg Bell, who is with
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: us here in studio from the News Tribune. Also our
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: QB one Hugh Millan is with us as well. Happy
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: bye week to you both.
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  Speaker 7: What's that It's been great to be with you.
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  Speaker 1: Great to have you with us. So yeah, here we go,
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  Speaker 1: end of the buy. How is it, Greg, that it
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  Speaker 1: all came together for the Seattle Seahawks that they're sitting
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: here in such an advantageous position. What happened in twenty
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: twenty five that Mike McDonald, John Schneider and this roster
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: were able to pull it off the best record in
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: the NFC.
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  Speaker 7: Well, he spent the.
• 33:27
  Speaker 11: First two season last year remaking the defense, and in
• 33:30
  Speaker 11: the simplest terms, the offense came up to a level
• 33:33
  Speaker 11: approaching the defense, and the defense got better.
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  Speaker 1: They have a super Bowl caliber.
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  Speaker 11: Defense with an offense that is now holding its own
• 33:42
  Speaker 11: At times now it's still carried by the defense, and
• 33:45
  Speaker 11: we saw the San Francisco game the offense squander opportunities
• 33:49
  Speaker 11: to score more points and wasn't functioning completely on all cylinders.
• 33:54
  Speaker 11: But the defense is in by and large now the
• 33:58
  Speaker 11: one concern coming into the playoffs, and I know it's
• 34:01
  Speaker 11: in the back of the defensive players' minds. I talked
• 34:03
  Speaker 11: to Julian Love yesterday and Leonard Williams the.
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  Speaker 1: Los Angeles Rams and how they played.
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  Speaker 7: Against the Rams.
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  Speaker 11: Thirty seven points and four hundred and eighty one yards
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  Speaker 11: three weeks ago. Now having said that, the defense still
• 34:19
  Speaker 11: won that game by holding the Rams to three to
• 34:21
  Speaker 11: three and outs in the fourth quarter, So the pivotal
• 34:24
  Speaker 11: part of that game, the defense absolutely had to do
• 34:27
  Speaker 11: it when they did, and then it allowed Rashids she
• 34:30
  Speaker 11: heats punt return in the offense to come back. But
• 34:33
  Speaker 11: that's really the only blip, you can say. The Tampa
• 34:36
  Speaker 11: Bay game when they allowed thirty eight points and lost
• 34:38
  Speaker 11: thirty eight thirty five, which is their only loss in
• 34:40
  Speaker 11: the last twelve games. The defense was justsing four starters,
• 34:44
  Speaker 11: including Julian Love, Nicki Mon Worriy was just coming off
• 34:48
  Speaker 11: of a high ankle sprain.
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  Speaker 7: At the time.
• 34:50
  Speaker 11: They weren't using emon worry to the extent that they
• 34:52
  Speaker 11: are now. They the defense has evolved during the season
• 34:56
  Speaker 11: to become now leading a boom masque dark side now.
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  Speaker 11: But that's the quality they're playing at. And I still
• 35:06
  Speaker 11: contend that if Sam Darnold doesn't in the offense, doesn't
• 35:09
  Speaker 11: turn the ball over, they can get to and win
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  Speaker 11: the Super Bowl. I don't, and their defense is so
• 35:16
  Speaker 11: good they may be able to win even with.
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  Speaker 7: Him doing that. As we've seen in a couple of
• 35:19
  Speaker 7: games recently.
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  Speaker 1: Here's to look like a super Bowl team to you.
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  Speaker 12: Yeah, I mean, I think any team that really is
• 35:29
  Speaker 12: strong at this point, I mean, unless you're talking about
• 35:31
  Speaker 12: the eighty five Bears a super Bowl team, what does
• 35:35
  Speaker 12: that mean? Is it more probable than not that they
• 35:37
  Speaker 12: would win the Super Bowl? I think most every year
• 35:41
  Speaker 12: at this stage, when there's fourteen teams, you say, is
• 35:44
  Speaker 12: there any one team that is more likely to win
• 35:47
  Speaker 12: than the field?
• 35:49
  Speaker 3: No?
• 35:49
  Speaker 12: I think that's that's extremely rare, and I don't think
• 35:52
  Speaker 12: that's the case with Seattle. But I think they've earned
• 35:55
  Speaker 12: the number one, the number one seed, and so yeah, absolutely,
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  Speaker 12: I mean, you know, you've got the twelves.
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  Speaker 3: There's a little bit of a concern.
• 36:06
  Speaker 12: About the the the forty eight when you when you
• 36:10
  Speaker 12: consider the rather the Ram game and how the defense
• 36:13
  Speaker 12: played at home. I have this odd concern that that
• 36:20
  Speaker 12: they how can they communicate defensively at home? Because you know,
• 36:25
  Speaker 12: the numbers just shows it's pretty startling. They play better
• 36:29
  Speaker 12: defense on the road. Now that's you know, largely because
• 36:33
  Speaker 12: of the Tampa Bay and Ram prat falls, but those
• 36:37
  Speaker 12: two games. But yeah, I would say that having the
• 36:41
  Speaker 12: the inside track to the Super Bowl, I'm buying.
• 36:44
  Speaker 3: I'm a believer.
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: Well, let me ask about the offense then, you because
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: the defense obviously looks very super Bowl worthy? Is the
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: offense playing at that level? Are they going to be
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: able to do their part as you should embark upon
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: this tournament?
• 36:58
  Speaker 12: Well, I first want to talk about the turnovers, because
• 37:03
  Speaker 12: this is going to have to be explained. If you
• 37:06
  Speaker 12: take quarterback turnovers, that's interceptions and fumbles. Obviously, for this year,
• 37:14
  Speaker 12: the correlation for quarterback turnovers is two fifty four. That
• 37:21
  Speaker 12: is relatively low. It's it's approaching moderate two fifty four.
• 37:27
  Speaker 12: But you notice I didn't say negative correlation. The correlation
• 37:31
  Speaker 12: is the more turnovers that quarterbacks have, the more they win.
• 37:36
  Speaker 12: Last year was negative one forty nine. The year before
• 37:38
  Speaker 12: that was positive two nineteen, the year before that negative
• 37:43
  Speaker 12: eighty two, very negative sixty four, negative thirty. In this decade,
• 37:50
  Speaker 12: the aggregate is twenty five. That is next to nothing.
• 37:56
  Speaker 12: That's basically the attiers shoes with your left foot first,
• 38:00
  Speaker 12: or you're right now the I'm not making those numbers up.
• 38:04
  Speaker 12: That's a real thing. And meanwhile, that out of over
• 38:08
  Speaker 12: three hundred stats that I have from the NFL stat
• 38:11
  Speaker 12: Pro Quarterbacks, the stat that has the highest correlation to
• 38:16
  Speaker 12: finished at six forty two Sam darn which is is
• 38:22
  Speaker 12: yards per dropback. That that takes into account how aggressive
• 38:27
  Speaker 12: you are down the field, It takes into account the sacks,
• 38:31
  Speaker 12: it takes into account scrambles. Yards per dropback has the
• 38:35
  Speaker 12: highest correlation of over three hundred quarterback stats, and Sam
• 38:41
  Speaker 12: Donald is number one. And in that Now, there's others
• 38:45
  Speaker 12: you know that you know, you'd say, well, he's in
• 38:48
  Speaker 12: the top ten. Couple Lea's in the outside the top ten.
• 38:52
  Speaker 12: There's a hell of a lot. I'm not too many
• 38:54
  Speaker 12: for this show to listen where he's in the top
• 38:56
  Speaker 12: three or four. But again, the correlation that has the
• 38:59
  Speaker 12: number one and uh, the highest correlation of winning Sam
• 39:03
  Speaker 12: Donald is number one. And the correlation that has twenty
• 39:08
  Speaker 12: five in this decade and at positive two fifty four
• 39:11
  Speaker 12: for this season. Uh, the theory would be, hey, as
• 39:16
  Speaker 12: as interceptions go up, wins go down, you'd think there'd
• 39:21
  Speaker 12: be a negative correlation. No, and and essentially for this
• 39:26
  Speaker 12: decade it's it's next to nothing. So those facts have
• 39:29
  Speaker 12: to be reconciled if we're gonna if we're gonna have
• 39:33
  Speaker 12: a lot of handwringing. And oh, by the way, if
• 39:35
  Speaker 12: you go, if you go by big the uh uh
• 39:40
  Speaker 12: turnover worthy plays, the uh you have Sam Donald had
• 39:47
  Speaker 12: nineteen turnover worthy plays. He had twenty turnovers. That means
• 39:51
  Speaker 12: he had one hundred and five percent. The average for
• 39:54
  Speaker 12: this year is seventy one percent, meaning he is the
• 39:58
  Speaker 12: second most unlucky next to Jared Goff. He is the
• 40:02
  Speaker 12: second most unlucky guy in terms of how he actually
• 40:05
  Speaker 12: played and how many turnovers he produced.
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  Speaker 6: And so.
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  Speaker 12: You know, I just look, I don't do you ask me,
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  Speaker 12: would I rather have turnovers, more turnovers or less turnovers? Well,
• 40:18
  Speaker 12: obviously I'd rather have less turnovers. But I'm not gonna
• 40:22
  Speaker 12: sit here and say Sam Darnold is some kind of
• 40:25
  Speaker 12: you know, he needs to turn into some type of
• 40:26
  Speaker 12: Trent Dilfer you know where where who? By the way,
• 40:31
  Speaker 12: this year his his his past completion percent. Actually, let
• 40:37
  Speaker 12: me first go Russell Wilson. Have we ever heard the
• 40:39
  Speaker 12: term Russell Wilson as the best deep ball in football?
• 40:42
  Speaker 12: Russell Wilson on passes over thirty yards from lind scrimmage
• 40:46
  Speaker 12: had a thirty six percent for his career. In the
• 40:51
  Speaker 12: Super Bowl year he had twenty nine percent. The average
• 40:56
  Speaker 12: is twenty four percent. Second place this year was four.
• 41:01
  Speaker 12: If you if you completed forty two percent of your
• 41:03
  Speaker 12: passes on passes thirty yards or more from the line scammage,
• 41:07
  Speaker 12: you would be second in the NFL.
• 41:08
  Speaker 7: This year, Sam Donald.
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  Speaker 12: Was fifty eight percent. Like, so, I don't know this
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  Speaker 12: this idea that that the turnovers are killing him and
• 41:19
  Speaker 12: and Sam donal we should we should just have a
• 41:22
  Speaker 12: a Trent Bilford.
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  Speaker 1: Type of uh of game Planet's nonsense in my opinion.
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  Speaker 7: Okay, so, how did the Seahawks do this.
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  Speaker 11: How did they do the Seahawks say, Mike McDonald says,
• 41:32
  Speaker 11: this is the cost of doing business, and he wants
• 41:35
  Speaker 11: McDonald uh donald to throw the ball down the field.
• 41:38
  Speaker 11: He wants Kubiak to keep sending Smith and Jigbit down
• 41:41
  Speaker 11: the field. So they are not going to go into
• 41:43
  Speaker 11: a conservative show. Even with their defense playing this well,
• 41:47
  Speaker 11: the cost of doing business will be some turnovers. Having
• 41:50
  Speaker 11: said that, and the correlation numbers shot just mentioned, you
• 41:53
  Speaker 11: could make an argument. I don't know how strong it
• 41:56
  Speaker 11: is or how factual it is, but you could make
• 41:58
  Speaker 11: an argument that if.
• 41:59
  Speaker 7: Sam Old doesn't fumble to lose the ball.
• 42:02
  Speaker 11: In the opener against San Francisco inside the ten yard
• 42:05
  Speaker 11: line in the final minute, if he doesn't fumble the
• 42:07
  Speaker 11: ball or throw this yearsually throw an interception off the
• 42:10
  Speaker 11: helmet of a Buccaneers defensive lineman in the last quart
• 42:13
  Speaker 11: three minutes of that game, And if he doesn't throw
• 42:15
  Speaker 11: four interceptions in Inglewood and handed the Rams too short
• 42:19
  Speaker 11: field for touchdowns against the defense, it probably wasn't going
• 42:21
  Speaker 11: to give.
• 42:22
  Speaker 7: Up three touchdowns that day. Does the answer undefeated right now? Yeah?
• 42:27
  Speaker 12: And if he didn't take chances, he's got four game
• 42:29
  Speaker 12: winning drives. If he didn't take chances, if he wasn't
• 42:32
  Speaker 12: throwing the ball up the field at Arizona on the
• 42:35
  Speaker 12: last drive, both up the right side line and then
• 42:38
  Speaker 12: two plays later up the left side sideline, then then
• 42:43
  Speaker 12: maybe they don't win that game. If he doesn't. You know,
• 42:46
  Speaker 12: in the Pittsburgh game, when Patrick Queen comes under, if
• 42:48
  Speaker 12: he had just been of a conservative mind.
• 42:50
  Speaker 3: Oh well, I'll just take the sack.
• 42:52
  Speaker 12: No, he did an lway spin somehow avoided Patrick Queen
• 42:55
  Speaker 12: makes a twenty seven yard or like, do we have
• 42:57
  Speaker 12: to go through all?
• 42:58
  Speaker 10: No.
• 42:59
  Speaker 11: And that's my point is the Seahawks don't want him
• 43:01
  Speaker 11: to be that way. They want him They want him
• 43:03
  Speaker 11: to keep pushing, they want him to keep doing it.
• 43:06
  Speaker 11: The problem in the playoffs is you only get one shot,
• 43:09
  Speaker 11: and if you do turn the ball over late in
• 43:10
  Speaker 11: the game in a close game against San Francisco or
• 43:14
  Speaker 11: Los Angeles or whomever, so especially the Rams, now you've
• 43:17
  Speaker 11: got a short field that a defense may not give
• 43:19
  Speaker 11: up seven points, but they're gonna give up at least three.
• 43:22
  Speaker 3: And if you give up three, you could lose.
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: And and that's the problem in the playoffs.
• 43:26
  Speaker 12: With the turnover situation, there's yeah, there's no doubt. So
• 43:30
  Speaker 12: uh and and yet, what what did we say? You
• 43:34
  Speaker 12: just said Mike McDonald. Now, first of all, I always say, well,
• 43:37
  Speaker 12: what's he saying publicly? What's he saying privately? Well, let's
• 43:39
  Speaker 12: just assume that he's saying privately what he's saying publicly.
• 43:43
  Speaker 12: You just said that that Mike McDonald is. He's not
• 43:46
  Speaker 12: coming up and saying, oh, we got to eliminate these turnovers.
• 43:49
  Speaker 12: He's saying, no, we want him to keep keep firing.
• 43:52
  Speaker 12: Because I believe I'm not in his head. But uh,
• 43:55
  Speaker 12: but I think that he is aware that all of
• 43:59
  Speaker 12: the big plays are that Sam Darnold is produced, are
• 44:04
  Speaker 12: are there's a cost of doing business. I thought there
• 44:07
  Speaker 12: was a fascinating comment on the morning of the Rose
• 44:12
  Speaker 12: Bowl on the College Football Countdown. When Nick Saban talks,
• 44:19
  Speaker 12: he is like e of Hutton. I listen to every
• 44:22
  Speaker 12: single thing he says. And he was talking about how
• 44:24
  Speaker 12: poor the Alabama running game was. This is pregame but
• 44:27
  Speaker 12: priority Indiana, and he was talking about the offensive line,
• 44:31
  Speaker 12: and Nick Saban said, I would rather, if given my choice,
• 44:37
  Speaker 12: I would rather have the explosive pass plays than a
• 44:42
  Speaker 12: strong running game. If you'd ask me thirty seconds before
• 44:46
  Speaker 12: he made that comment, I would have said Nick Saban
• 44:48
  Speaker 12: would never say that. But he said, the most important
• 44:51
  Speaker 12: thing that the offensive lineman line can do for Alabama
• 44:55
  Speaker 12: is to provide Ty Simpson the opportunity to get explosive plays,
• 44:59
  Speaker 12: the net explos of plays. Look, look, Greg, I don't
• 45:03
  Speaker 12: want to I think if we had a ven diagram,
• 45:05
  Speaker 12: I don't think you and I are terribly far apart
• 45:07
  Speaker 12: on this. I know that that that you've stressed, Hey,
• 45:11
  Speaker 12: these these turnovers have got to uh diminish. I want
• 45:15
  Speaker 12: the court, the turno verus to diminish as well. But
• 45:19
  Speaker 12: I I think it's a delicate balance and how you
• 45:22
  Speaker 12: coach him. It's a quarterback in year one in the system,
• 45:25
  Speaker 12: and all of the production that that you just set
• 45:29
  Speaker 12: a franchise record for points right now, like all the production,
• 45:34
  Speaker 12: it's like a Jenga tower, Like if if I want
• 45:37
  Speaker 12: to pull out the the the the turnovers, be careful
• 45:42
  Speaker 12: of unwanted consequences. And and you know the turnovers you
• 45:45
  Speaker 12: mentioned on the on the forty nine er game, I mean, uh, hey,
• 45:49
  Speaker 12: Lucas got trucked, forklifted and he's looking to his left
• 45:53
  Speaker 12: he's gonna throw to the flat. That means his field
• 45:56
  Speaker 12: of vision is way over in the left flat if
• 45:59
  Speaker 12: we if we calculated the angle of his field a vision.
• 46:03
  Speaker 12: When the right tackle gets fork lifted and the ball's
• 46:07
  Speaker 12: punched out and you're throwing to the left flat, and
• 46:10
  Speaker 12: and you're and you get the ball hit when you're
• 46:13
  Speaker 12: when you've your hands have separated and you're in the
• 46:16
  Speaker 12: process of throwing. I mean, what, what tell me the
• 46:20
  Speaker 12: quarterback coach that's going to blame that on the quarterback?
• 46:24
  Speaker 3: You know, I mean he.
• 46:25
  Speaker 12: Had you know, he's had balls that have hit off
• 46:30
  Speaker 12: receiver or offensive line, the helmet, you know, tip, what
• 46:33
  Speaker 12: what have you? I just got through telling you that
• 46:36
  Speaker 12: the average quarterback in the NFL, if you take their
• 46:40
  Speaker 12: turnover worthy plays, seventy one percent of them turn into turnovers.
• 46:46
  Speaker 12: Sam Darnold one hundred and five percent. So and by
• 46:50
  Speaker 12: the way, Caleb Williams, who's been mentioned as as protecting
• 46:54
  Speaker 12: the ball, he he only has half fifty percent, exactly
• 46:57
  Speaker 12: fifty percent of his turnover worthy plays actually turned into turnovers.
• 47:02
  Speaker 10: He's been among the luckiest.
• 47:05
  Speaker 3: And so at an event, I agree with you, Greg.
• 47:09
  Speaker 12: Look, there's a very good chance we come back, It's
• 47:12
  Speaker 12: more likely than not the Seahawks will lose a playoff game,
• 47:15
  Speaker 12: not win the Super Bowl. And there's a very good
• 47:17
  Speaker 12: chance on Monday that you're able to come on at
• 47:20
  Speaker 12: seven am and say that Sam donald turnover was the
• 47:24
  Speaker 12: most pivotal play in the Seahawks loss. There, I understand
• 47:28
  Speaker 12: that that is potentially on the horizon. But here at an event,
• 47:32
  Speaker 12: those are some facts I think that can textualize it.
• 47:34
  Speaker 9: But here's the thing. They're defense is playing so well.
• 47:36
  Speaker 9: It may not matter against most teams. It may not
• 47:40
  Speaker 9: matter if they play like they did against San Francisco.
• 47:42
  Speaker 9: And I mentioned this to you the other day, Chuck,
• 47:44
  Speaker 9: that was a legion of Boom Super Bowl forty eight.
• 47:47
  Speaker 11: Worthy performance against San Francisco. Yes it was who was
• 47:51
  Speaker 11: yes Roland coming into that game. So if they play
• 47:55
  Speaker 11: like that, No, they haven't played that way against the Rams.
• 47:58
  Speaker 11: But if they play like that, they'll beat anybody, no
• 48:01
  Speaker 11: matter how many turnovers Sam Darnold throws or fumbles the
• 48:04
  Speaker 11: ball or But can they duplicate that. The consistency part
• 48:08
  Speaker 11: now is the key to the season the rest of
• 48:10
  Speaker 11: the season is can they consistently play that defense?
• 48:13
  Speaker 7: And then the turnovers and completely.
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: Well, the NFL Playoffs is like a frozen pond and
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: you don't know where the ice is thin. I mean,
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: but if you fall through, you're dead, so you know.
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: And so with that sort of thin margin for error,
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: you can't have that four turnover game because you could
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: lose in your very first game. So I would just say,
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: I mean, I agree with Hugh. I want to do
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: the let it rip. Not that I disagree with Greg,
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: but I hear what Hugh's saying, and I like the
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: idea of letting it rip. Well, I guess my question
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: for you, Greg is are they going to change anything
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: to adjust for that? With the this is a one
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: and done tournament. This is not a two and Q.
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: I mean, even in summer softball you get two and Q.
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: This is a one and done tournament right here. This
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: is not best of three, best of five. So with
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: that then of a margin, are they going to do
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: anything as far as you can tell, to protect themselves
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: against a minus two turnover day?
• 49:08
  Speaker 7: No?
• 49:09
  Speaker 11: Okay, And everyone I've talked to is said, exactly what
• 49:12
  Speaker 11: the words you just use, let it rip?
• 49:14
  Speaker 7: And that's what they want. Sam Darnold to do.
• 49:16
  Speaker 3: Let it rip?
• 49:17
  Speaker 11: Now it's a lot easier to let it rip if
• 49:19
  Speaker 11: your running game is functioning and they've had their best
• 49:22
  Speaker 11: three running games of the last of the season the
• 49:25
  Speaker 11: last three weeks, good timing correct And if they can
• 49:28
  Speaker 11: do that without Charles Cross, and now Charles Cross is
• 49:31
  Speaker 11: coming back, you would think that may be able to
• 49:34
  Speaker 11: be able to sustain that one seventy one, one sixty
• 49:37
  Speaker 11: three and one.
• 49:37
  Speaker 7: Eighty the last three weeks on the ground.
• 49:40
  Speaker 11: You can let it rip a lot if you've got
• 49:41
  Speaker 11: a running for one hundred and eighty yards and a
• 49:43
  Speaker 11: defense has.
• 49:44
  Speaker 7: To honor that.
• 49:44
  Speaker 11: So but to answer your question, no, is the opposite
• 49:48
  Speaker 11: of that. And to Hughes point, they are going to
• 49:50
  Speaker 11: keep pushing the ball down if they have the leading
• 49:52
  Speaker 11: receiver in the league. They have now Rashid Shaheed back
• 49:55
  Speaker 11: healthy to be able to give defenses a second thought.
• 49:58
  Speaker 11: Aj Barner has a half dozen touchdo downs on the season.
• 50:01
  Speaker 11: They've got weapons that make defenses have to, uh, oh,
• 50:04
  Speaker 11: how are we going to defend these guys on top
• 50:06
  Speaker 11: of a one hundred.
• 50:07
  Speaker 7: And eighty yard rushing game.
• 50:08
  Speaker 11: So to me, that if the offense can sustain itself
• 50:13
  Speaker 11: with a run game and push the ball down the field.
• 50:16
  Speaker 7: They're going to the Super Bowl? Can they again? That's
• 50:19
  Speaker 7: the thing.
• 50:20
  Speaker 12: Yeah, And I think you know, in the the heat
• 50:24
  Speaker 12: of the moment, when the rubber meets the road, the
• 50:27
  Speaker 12: guy that is going to determine, you know, whether we're
• 50:33
  Speaker 12: you know, hammered down pushing the ball down the field
• 50:35
  Speaker 12: is going to be Sam Darnold because they can call
• 50:37
  Speaker 12: it right now, right and and if he if he
• 50:42
  Speaker 12: is reluctant to to to take a shot. I mean,
• 50:46
  Speaker 12: there was a play against the forty nine ers where
• 50:51
  Speaker 12: where they ran a week side flood. And what that
• 50:54
  Speaker 12: is is you got a deep, intermediate and shallow and
• 50:57
  Speaker 12: we call it weak side because the intermediate is a
• 51:01
  Speaker 12: intermediate crossing route. So from Darnold's perspective, he has shed
• 51:05
  Speaker 12: she he'd lined up on his left, he's taken a
• 51:08
  Speaker 12: high angle corner. Some people call it a flag, but
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  Speaker 12: he's the deep guy. Then from the right side, you've
• 51:15
  Speaker 12: got uh, Jackson Smith and jigbub from the slot on
• 51:19
  Speaker 12: the right, he's going to go right to left into
• 51:21
  Speaker 12: that little pocket. And then that you got various checkdown opportunities.
• 51:25
  Speaker 12: So you got deep, intermediate and short Jackson Smith and
• 51:28
  Speaker 12: Jigbab being the intermediate, and you would you would mostly say,
• 51:32
  Speaker 12: you know, in a uh in a quarterback meeting room,
• 51:36
  Speaker 12: they would say, okay, check the check the high corner
• 51:39
  Speaker 12: and then work Jackson Smith down down to the to
• 51:43
  Speaker 12: the checkdown. That that's that's the common thought when you
• 51:46
  Speaker 12: say check the corner, Well, what does that mean? How
• 51:49
  Speaker 12: open does he have to be for me to throw it? Well,
• 51:51
  Speaker 12: on that particular one, to me, that light was pretty
• 51:54
  Speaker 12: damn green. It ain't gonna get any greener in the NFL.
• 51:58
  Speaker 12: That I mean, you got rashid heat. He starts into
• 52:01
  Speaker 12: the midfield and then he's gonna turn almost like a
• 52:04
  Speaker 12: like the letter K, a capital K. It turned backwards.
• 52:09
  Speaker 12: You go in and then out. And and I would
• 52:13
  Speaker 12: have said if I was quarterback coaching Sam Darnold, I said, hey,
• 52:16
  Speaker 12: take a shot, dude, rip it. You don't let it go.
• 52:20
  Speaker 12: And so that you know that's there. It's built into
• 52:22
  Speaker 12: the play against Carolina the week before, Chuck I said
• 52:27
  Speaker 12: to you that on Monday, I think they should have
• 52:31
  Speaker 12: thrown more go routes stutter goes. You know, those those
• 52:34
  Speaker 12: those Carolina corners were squatting, you know, they were just
• 52:38
  Speaker 12: they weren't honoring the idea that you might run by
• 52:40
  Speaker 12: him right up the sideline. So so I think there's
• 52:44
  Speaker 12: you know, they're talking about still let it rip, but
• 52:46
  Speaker 12: the tape shows that it's either the play callers not
• 52:50
  Speaker 12: calling enough shot plays or the quarterback who, when he
• 52:55
  Speaker 12: has shot calls available to him, he's kind of neutering
• 53:00
  Speaker 12: self in that regard.
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: All Right, Hugh Millan, Greg Bell with us. It's our
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: twelve man Roundtable, bye week edition. So many other things
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: to discuss with our experts we'll do in ext Sports
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  Speaker 1: Radio ninety three point three kh arfm all right, final
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: segment of our twelve man round Table, Ashley Bucky Chuck
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: with you and of course leaning on our experts every
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: Thursday from eight to nine, our QB one Hugh Millen
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: and our Seahawks insider Greg Bell, as we get ready
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: for the playoff Seahawks now playing this week they are
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: on by So, Bucky, you don't have a prediction to
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: make here or a key to the game, but what
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: kind of path do you think the Seahawks would like
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: to inherit after this weekend? What kind of results are
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: you expecting or wanting.
• 53:50
  Speaker 2: For the Seahawks expecting I wouldn't be too terribly shocked
• 53:56
  Speaker 2: if the Packers figure out a way to knock off
• 53:58
  Speaker 2: the Bears, which then that would be who they would face,
• 54:01
  Speaker 2: and I think they would be fine with that. They
• 54:03
  Speaker 2: did meet each other in the in the preseason, but
• 54:07
  Speaker 2: that doesn't really matter. Nobody plays anybody in the preseason.
• 54:10
  Speaker 2: I mean, I don't think that. I don't look at
• 54:13
  Speaker 2: anybody and think it's easy. Maybe the Panthers, if for
• 54:17
  Speaker 2: some reason that was to happen, I think maybe that's
• 54:19
  Speaker 2: the one. Other than that, I think you still got
• 54:21
  Speaker 2: to show up. I do think the defense. If the
• 54:24
  Speaker 2: defense keeps playing the way that they have been playing
• 54:26
  Speaker 2: and it doesn't look fluky to me, I don't think
• 54:28
  Speaker 2: there's anybody that they can't beat by any stretch. And
• 54:31
  Speaker 2: and with the exception of the Rams, I think they
• 54:33
  Speaker 2: would probably be favored in all of them. So it's
• 54:36
  Speaker 2: I get into that. You know, I'm not a big
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: Seahawks fan per se, but just as as a fan,
• 54:41
  Speaker 2: I don't I get like a kind of a queasy
• 54:45
  Speaker 2: feeling in my stomach when I'm.
• 54:46
  Speaker 3: Like, I hope they win. I hope I hope the
• 54:49
  Speaker 3: Packers win.
• 54:49
  Speaker 2: Case bring them on, because then it's one of those
• 54:51
  Speaker 2: oh boy that come back to haunt you, you know what
• 54:53
  Speaker 2: I mean. So it's kind of I don't know if
• 54:55
  Speaker 2: I have a specific team that I would like to face.
• 54:58
  Speaker 2: I think that the Seahawks bring on all comers, doesn't
• 55:02
  Speaker 2: matter who it is, bring it on. We're gonna go
• 55:04
  Speaker 2: out there and we're gonna strap it on. And I
• 55:05
  Speaker 2: think that right now, the way I said it earlier
• 55:08
  Speaker 2: in the show, the straw that stur is a drink
• 55:10
  Speaker 2: is the defense. And that defense right now, if if
• 55:13
  Speaker 2: the offense isn't clicking on all cylinders, they're clicking on
• 55:16
  Speaker 2: enough cylinders because that defense.
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: Is clicking on all cylinders, I think they would be
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: favored against the Rams and a playoff game at home.
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: Even in that situation, are they rooting for anything? I mean,
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: I know they wouldn't tell you that, but do you
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: get the sense that they prefer one root or another, Greg.
• 55:34
  Speaker 11: I get the sense that they would not mind not
• 55:37
  Speaker 11: playing the Rams next week and the Rams challenge them defensively,
• 55:41
  Speaker 11: and McVeigh and what they did before and eighty one
• 55:43
  Speaker 11: yards and thirty seven points here a few weeks ago.
• 55:47
  Speaker 11: If they if they could pick it, they would love
• 55:49
  Speaker 11: for the Packers to beat the Bears, which I.
• 55:51
  Speaker 7: Think is possible, be careching.
• 55:53
  Speaker 11: I think they happen because Jordan loves gonna play, and
• 55:56
  Speaker 11: if he plays, I think they can win. They can
• 55:59
  Speaker 11: outscore Klee Williams and the Bears. They beat him in Lambeau.
• 56:03
  Speaker 11: They lost at the end on a fluke on side
• 56:06
  Speaker 11: kick recovery and rally by the Bears in Soldier Field
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  Speaker 11: a few weeks ago. I think the Packers do beat
• 56:11
  Speaker 11: the Bears, and I think it's going to be Packers
• 56:13
  Speaker 11: at Seahawks.
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: If it does.
• 56:14
  Speaker 11: What was interesting about that, Yeah, they played the preseason
• 56:17
  Speaker 11: game when reserves just played, but when they had the
• 56:19
  Speaker 11: joint practices, there was a lot of wolfing going on.
• 56:23
  Speaker 11: Devin Witherspoon was chief wolf for number one, which wouldn't
• 56:25
  Speaker 11: surprise anyone, but there was some stuff that was a
• 56:29
  Speaker 11: little more than just Okay, we're just going to go
• 56:31
  Speaker 11: at it.
• 56:31
  Speaker 7: Because it's a joint practice. That would be a contentious game.
• 56:35
  Speaker 11: And I know the Seahawks, especially Witherspoon, but I know
• 56:37
  Speaker 11: the guys on the defense particularly remember that joint practice
• 56:40
  Speaker 11: for how wolfy it was, and I think that would
• 56:43
  Speaker 11: be a look they would really look forward to that matchup.
• 56:49
  Speaker 11: A lot of people when we left San Francisco, a
• 56:51
  Speaker 11: lot of people thought around the team thought the Niners
• 56:53
  Speaker 11: were done, that they got cooked by the Seahawks, and
• 56:57
  Speaker 11: that they were not going to recover from that.
• 57:00
  Speaker 7: There.
• 57:00
  Speaker 11: We'll see what the Eagles do in Philadelphia, but it
• 57:03
  Speaker 11: wouldn't surprise me for the forty nine ers to lose.
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and Aikman said that after the game. He said,
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: I can't imagine them having lost what they could have had.
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: As beat up as they are. They got beat up
• 57:15
  Speaker 1: again tonight and then next week have to face another
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: physical team on the road. I can't imagine them winning.
• 57:22
  Speaker 7: Yeah. I think Philadelphia WANs for that reason too.
• 57:24
  Speaker 11: Yeah, if Carolina beats the Rams, the Seahawks have a
• 57:27
  Speaker 11: charmed life. I cannot imagine that happening. Yet, having said that,
• 57:33
  Speaker 11: six weeks ago it did happen. The Rams went in
• 57:35
  Speaker 11: as I think that's an even bigger reason why it
• 57:37
  Speaker 11: won't happen. Yeah, they guard against that, but yeah, the
• 57:40
  Speaker 11: Ram For those who don't know, never forget. The Rams
• 57:42
  Speaker 11: went into Charlotte about six weeks ago, is the number
• 57:44
  Speaker 11: one team in the NFL and got beat by the Panthers.
• 57:47
  Speaker 11: So I'm predicting the Packers beat the Bears and we're
• 57:51
  Speaker 11: gonna have Packers. Oh, by the way, for listeners to
• 57:53
  Speaker 11: know almost certainly, that game is going to be on
• 57:55
  Speaker 11: Saturday at Lumenfield January seventeenth. Every season since two thousand,
• 58:00
  Speaker 11: the nfls had put a one seed on a Saturday.
• 58:03
  Speaker 11: Most years it's been at both number one seeds. Why
• 58:05
  Speaker 11: they do that because they want the team to one
• 58:08
  Speaker 11: seed to get the advantage of the extra day on
• 58:10
  Speaker 11: the back end toward the NFC title AFC title games.
• 58:13
  Speaker 11: They reward the team with the extra day off if
• 58:16
  Speaker 11: you're a number one seed. So expect that to be
• 58:18
  Speaker 11: a Saturday game no matter who they play.
• 58:19
  Speaker 1: All right, sounds good? All right here, where do we
• 58:21
  Speaker 1: want to go to close out the roundtable this week?
• 58:24
  Speaker 12: Well, I'll tie you in a couple points. First of all,
• 58:27
  Speaker 12: if you take Mike McDonald his defense. Coming off of
• 58:31
  Speaker 12: a bye week a year ago, it was the forty
• 58:34
  Speaker 12: nine Ers, they held the forty nine to seventeen points
• 58:38
  Speaker 12: two hundred and eighty nine yards in a sea OWK
• 58:41
  Speaker 12: twenty to seventeen win. This year it was against the Commanders,
• 58:45
  Speaker 12: one of their best performances of the year, just utterly dominant, right,
• 58:49
  Speaker 12: and then even the forty nine er game when you
• 58:52
  Speaker 12: had ten ten days, you know, kind of a mini bye.
• 58:54
  Speaker 3: Look how well they played. So I think.
• 58:56
  Speaker 12: Seattle with this rest, we have evidence that they're very
• 59:00
  Speaker 12: good with that extra week. The other point would be, look,
• 59:05
  Speaker 12: let me let me state this clearly as a as
• 59:08
  Speaker 12: a fan, I want the Seahawks to if they have
• 59:12
  Speaker 12: to play the Rams, I'd rather have it be in
• 59:13
  Speaker 12: the NFC Championship. I'd rather, you know, prolong that. But
• 59:18
  Speaker 12: I think that there there is the case that, hey,
• 59:23
  Speaker 12: you're gonna have to play them anyways, and if you have,
• 59:27
  Speaker 12: if you play them off of the bye week where
• 59:30
  Speaker 12: the Rams have to go cross country, maybe you have
• 59:35
  Speaker 12: an advantage that ties in with my first point. Now,
• 59:38
  Speaker 12: you could say, well, if you play them in the
• 59:40
  Speaker 12: NFC Championship game, the Seahawks will have They're be playing
• 59:44
  Speaker 12: just their second game, and maybe there's a cumuative effect
• 59:47
  Speaker 12: that would be the Rams third game on the road.
• 59:49
  Speaker 12: I understand that, But my point would be that if
• 59:55
  Speaker 12: the Rams are that dumb and you're so concerned about them,
• 59:59
  Speaker 12: you're going to then that means you're going to play
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 12: him either one of those two games. You could argue
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 12: just get you know, play play.
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 3: Him, get him out of the way.
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 12: And I will say this final the five hundred and
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 12: eighty yards, that's absolutely a concern. Any Seahawk fan would
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 12: be concerned about that. But look at how we've seen
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 12: how Mike McDonald's makes adjustments that that when when they
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 12: get boot. Look at what they did the week after
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 12: Tampa Bay. Look at what they did after the Buffalo
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 12: game last year. Look at what they did after the
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 12: UH after the Ram game this year. Every single time
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 12: that Seattle has looked awful on defense, they have looked
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 12: phenomenal the next week. This dude knows how to put
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 12: out fires, and so I don't know how he'll do it,
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 12: but I believe that he knows how he'll do it,
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 12: and the brief data, the points that we have show
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 12: that he does do it. So Look, they still could
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 12: lose the Rams, but I think there would be a
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 12: marked difference on how they play them defense.
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 1: All right, great stuff, gentlemen, Hey, but is it just me,
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 1: Bucky or in the in our zoom video with Hugh
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 1: to his hands, I mean he's got big hands. Just
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 1: how he could spin it. But his hands look like
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 1: Shack's hands on the zoom.
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there I go off the screen like there's something
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 1: something going on.
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 3: On that fellow at the Combine.
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm just gonna bring that out.
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 7: He was a Combine star before they even knew him.
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 2: The hand size when I put him back here, Yeah, which.
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 12: Proves the the the adage is just a mid But I's.
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 1: All right, gentlemen, awesome stuff. We'll do it again next week.
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 7: Rock and roll. Thank you.
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 1: Hugh Mellen Greg Bell are experts here on the twelfth
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 1: Man round table. Uh, And of course we'll do football
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 1: Friday with both gentlemen. Tomorrow. Creg will be with us
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 1: at seven o five. He will be with us at
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 1: nine o'clock. And oh's coming up next though, Well, we'll
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 1: get back to that huge college football conversation. And you
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 1: may want to hear what Tom Brady has to say
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 1: about the transfer portal. I think it's fascinating. Sports Radio
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 1: ninety three point three kJ r f M by nine
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 1: o'clock hour here on this Thursday, bye week Thursday. Mike
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 1: Sando is gonna be joining us at nine thirty this morning.
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 1: We're gonna lean into our NFL Insider for this segment.
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 1: He knows he knows a lot about football. I guess
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 1: he's gonna join us at nine thirty talk about the
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 1: schedule for this weekend. It probably asked him to see
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 1: our question or two. So Mike Sando from The Athletic
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 1: joins us today as he does every Thursday at nine thirty.
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 1: We also have one last thing before the close of
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 1: the show today, and uh, yes, we do have another
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 1: huge topic. We're just coming off of an hour of
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 1: twelve man roundtable with Greg and Hugh. Greg, you're gonna
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 1: have some specialty shows here over the next couple of
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 1: weeks that we're gonna splash out there for the playoffs.
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 1: I like specialty shows, you do. I really do like
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 1: specialty shows.
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah, dive into some stuff, get depth.
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 2: Sure, Greg will be chomping at the bit to kind
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 2: of bring it a show onto the air here.
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I think we should do more specialty shows. Who's
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 1: for more special.
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 8: I think every show of ours is specialty.
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 1: If you had a specialty, Bucky, that wasn't sports related
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 1: at all, and you had to do a show, you
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 1: had to talk about it for an hour, what would
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 1: it be? What would the topic be you would consider
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 1: your specialty outdoor stuff. Outdoor stuff fishing and oh is
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 1: that sports?
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 3: Driving a tractor?
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 1: Do you have a ruling on that? Oh, driving a tractor, Yeah,
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 1: driving the tractors, excavating, moving Bucky Jacobs, moving.
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 2: Dirt, spread and gravel, wearing overalls, getting dirty farmer buck.
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 3: Oh, I'm not gonna lie.
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 2: There's times I'm at home and I'll be doing something
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 2: and then I get like oil on my hands, and
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 2: I just love when I just wipe it right on
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 2: my pants.
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 1: Expect that's the type of stuff that would come up
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 1: on your specialty show. You're all right, yeah, Now I
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 1: really want to hear it. Uh. Well, we've got another
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 1: big topic going on all week long. And uh and
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 1: I'm not so sure we can get a far away,
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 1: too far away from the Seahawks at any given point,
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 1: too far from the NFL playoffs at any given point,
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 1: and too far away from this demand Williams Junior topic.
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, it has become so big
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 1: and just specifically talking about how it's affecting college football
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 1: and then you dub and so forth and so on,
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 1: that I was planning on doing something all week long
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 1: and that was. I came across this piece of audio
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 1: from Tom Brady on the Jewel Clat Show, and I
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 1: thought it was very fast aiding subject matter considering the
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 1: climate of college football right now. And just to give
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 1: you a little backdrop, when Tom Brady was at Michigan,
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 1: if you're not aware of this, it wasn't like he
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 1: was a surefire starter there either. I mean, everybody knows
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 1: the story about seventh round draft pick and scrawny at
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 1: the combine and slowest guy they'd ever recorded, and everybody
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 1: knows all of that.
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 8: Was a light in the world on fire, Yeah.
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 1: And ends up in New England, got his chance when
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 1: Drew Bledsoe went down and in the.
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 3: Rest is history.
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 1: But people might have forgotten when he was at Michigan,
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 1: he wasn't exactly handed the job either. There was a
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 1: player by the name of Drew Henson who was this
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 1: two sport superstar. He was going to be a major
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 1: league superstar or he was going to be an NFL
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 1: superstar quarterback. And so Tom Brady ends up at Michigan
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 1: at the exact same time as Drew Henson, and all
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 1: Drew Henson's job was trying to figure out while he
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 1: was at Michigan. Do I want to be the football player?
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 1: A baseball player ended up really not being successful at either.
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 3: Played against him. He wasn't that good, but he was.
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 8: He had great Muppet characters, Yes, really good.
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 1: Oh Man, his Kermit voice. I mean, it's just the
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 1: stuff of legend.
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 8: What Henson's are made up?
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 1: Anyway, So Drew Henson's trying to make the rainbow connection. Uh,
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 1: but he's there at Michigan, and so he's the star.
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 1: He's the star on campus. And people were actually angry
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 1: that how would you even consider this Tom Brady because
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 1: they'd heard so much about Drew Henson. He was supposed
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 1: to walk on water, lean tall buildings in a single bound,
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 1: all of this stuff. And so Tom Brady ended up
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 1: starting more at Michigan than Drew Henson. That was his
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 1: first challenge to prove himself. Probably why he got such
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 1: a big chip on his shoulder. That was the first
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 1: challenge to try to prove himself. And he ended up
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 1: being a very good, very successful quarterback at the college level.
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 1: But Joel Klatt has them on the show the other
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 1: day and he asks him a question about well, I'll
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 1: let him set it up, but It was about had
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 1: you had the rules that they have today? You stuck
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 1: it out at Michigan, But would you have if you
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 1: had the rules you have today. Here's Joel and the
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 1: specific question he asked Tom Brady.
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 2: Would Tom Brady have finished his career at Michigan if
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 2: the rules were the same then as they are now.
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 13: It's such a hypothetical situation. The only thing I can
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 13: answer is to say that, based on what my experience was,
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 13: I wouldn't want it any other way. My college experience
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 13: was very challenging. It was very competitive. The lessons I
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 13: learned in college, certainly about competition, those traits transformed my
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 13: life as a professional. I was ready to compete against
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 13: anybody because the competition in college toughened me up so
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 13: much that I had a self belief and self confidence
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 13: in myself that whatever was I was faced, I could
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 13: overcome that. And I think if we take that away
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 13: from a young student athlete, to say, you know what,
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 13: I know, it's tough to compete, but what are we're
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 13: gonna do before you have to compete, We're actually gonna
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 13: put you somewhere else so that you don't have to compete.
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 13: That is absolutely the wrong thing to do to a
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 13: young child. And I would challenge all the coaches and
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 13: all the parents, they're the ones.
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 1: That have to guide these kids.
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 13: It's you can't expect a seventeen or eighteen year old
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 13: to make these great decisions.
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 1: They're young, they don't have life experience. It should be
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 1: the parents. Be a good parent, teach your kid the
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 1: right values.
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 13: What's going to sustain them in their careers over a
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 13: period of time, whether it's football or whether it's business. So,
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 13: whether it's teaching or law school or medical school or
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 13: a trade, whatever you want to do, you're going to
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 13: have to go through hard things in your life. You're
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 13: gonna have to make tough choices, and the value isn't
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 13: always about the last. So I think all these things
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 13: that are happening in college sports, we're prioritizing the wrong things.
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 13: We're valuing the wrong things. You know, I'm not saying
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 13: it's not important. It's one of ten things that are important. Yeah,
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 13: and certainly to me, it's not the most important. So
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 13: when kids do go through that the right way, they're
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 13: actually learning the right values. And when you have the
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 13: right values in life, that's going to sustain you as
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 13: you move on through the rest of your life.
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 1: Tom Brady, this is what we used to teach you know.
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 1: This was the stop whining, get better speech that we
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 1: all used to hear. How did we get to the
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 1: point in twenty twenty six where oh, things are a
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 1: little difficult, little challenging, Well you need to go where
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 1: they're less challenging. What happened to that? Where did it go?
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 1: I mean, even with nil? What happened to that? Even
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 1: if you had nil? I mean, it had to have
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 1: been fostered somewhere.
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 7: I don't.
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 1: Or I don't know if the message got changed, got lost,
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 1: or what the case may be. But it just feels
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 1: to me like nobody we don't have a kid. We
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 1: don't have a twenty year old left that wants to
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 1: accept what the Goat just said about why he became successful.
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 1: That is the Goat, the undisputed greatest football player of
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 1: all time with seventh round physical talent. If you're not
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 1: listening to him, if you're not listening to that, if
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 1: we're not forget that, forget the listening. If we're not
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 1: teaching that everywhere parents, coaches, If that's not the message
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 1: that we're sending, that oh wait a minute, your second
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 1: on the depth chart. Maybe work harder than the guy
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 1: who's first in the depth chart. Maybe you'll learn better
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 1: lessons that help you become a better player, better person.
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 1: And if sports doesn't work out, guess what This life
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 1: out here it's all about competition too. I mean, it
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 1: doesn't go away that girl that you want to see,
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 1: you want to date, you want to marry, somebody else
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 1: wants to date, or two and marry her. Everything everywhere
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 1: you turn is about competition. How did we get to
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 1: the point, Bucky where it's like, oh, things are challenging,
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 1: Well leave and go somewhere else and then it'll be
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 1: less challenging for you. That's the path that you need.
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 2: I don't know exactly when it happened, but it wasn't
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 2: too terribly long ago. Probably it was it was, you know,
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 2: the end of our parents' generation or the beginning of
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 2: our generation when it came to parenting, where somewhere it
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 2: got lost in the mix of when you're parenting your
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 2: kid and you're preparing them to be good members of society,
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 2: where that are tough enough to handle life because life
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 2: ain't fair. You don't all always do for them what
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 2: is easiest for them. You don't always conform to what
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 2: they think they need. Right, Well, the teacher didn't like me. Well,
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 2: it used to be like my parents would have went
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 2: in and talked to the teacher and came out and said, yeah, sorry,
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 2: she knows what she's talking about.
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 3: Y're nine.
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 2: How about you just shut up, do what you're told
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 2: and get back to work. You know, it would have
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 2: been more. There was more times that those in charge,
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 2: the adults, would make the child the kid kind of
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 2: pull themselves up by the bootstraps and get better, like
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 2: you need to do more. And yet somewhere along the
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 2: line it became a I want to protect my kid
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 2: from failure. Whereas failures where you learn the most through
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 2: through trying, trying and you don't succeed, Well, what do
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 2: I need to change? Not trying you don't succeed. I'll
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 2: just move somewhere. I'll just go somewhere else. I will
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 2: just like quit that challenge and take something else.
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 1: I know I'm a lot better than my bad backup
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 1: at this school, so I don't work as hard.
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And so I don't know exactly how it happened,
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 2: It definitely happened in homes, and then that trickled into
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 2: the same people that are were teaching at homes. A
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 2: lot of them were coaching or they were pushed those
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 2: that didn't coach that way, that coached a you ain't
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 2: getting anything given to you here. When I was coaching
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 2: youth baseball, I would have a dad come in and
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 2: be like, so we're thinking about you know, you offered
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 2: him a spot on your team. Is he he's going
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 2: to be the shortstop right, and he'll be hitting third,
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 2: I would imagine third or fourth.
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 3: Well, we'll see.
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 2: I mean, I offered him a spot on the team
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 2: because he's athletic enough and I think he can play,
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 2: and he's one of the best fourteen kids that I
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 2: had at tryouts. But you're you're asking for a guarantee
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 2: of where he'sn't hitting the lineup. He doesn't have a guarantee.
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 2: He's gonna have to earn it. Well, there's a whole
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 2: bunch of dads like, well, that's not good.
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 3: That's not going to.
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 2: Cut it for me, except I have this coach over here,
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 2: in this coach over here that'll guarantee that because they
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 2: want his four thousand dollars is what it is, and
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 2: they will probably do it. And then you just taught
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 2: the parent that, yep, I get what I want when
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 2: I play hardball.
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 3: And then you taught the kid that you're not gonna
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 3: have to earn anything.
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 2: I'll earn it for you through negotiations and conversations.
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 3: You're not gonna have to go out and prove it.
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 2: And to me, that's just the wrong thing to do,
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 2: because at some point in time, every single player of
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 2: a sport is going to stumble into a situation where
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 2: mommy and daddy didn't get to pave it as a
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 2: yellow brick road. It's a bumpy ass road, and what
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 2: are you gonna do? Stop and look around and cry
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 2: mommy Daddy helped me. No, it's not going to work
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 2: like gat. There's times that I've been in my professional
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 2: life after baseball, and I've been looking around, like, what
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 2: in the hell am I going to do?
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 6: Well?
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 2: I can't go cry to mom. She can't fix it.
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 2: It's the real world now. So to me, it's a
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 2: fine line as a parent. Don't get me wrong. I'm
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 2: getting ready for my kids to join sports and all
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 2: this whole stuff, and I don't know how the hell
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 2: I'm going.
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 1: To end, and I'm not here to say that there
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 1: aren't bad teachers out there that sure don't want your
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 1: kidd coach or bad Oh, there are plenty of bad
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 1: coaches out there that you don't want your kid tod.
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 1: But I'll tell you the success story from my hometown.
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 1: Jason Isringhausen is the only player from my hometown that
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 1: made it to the majors, and he's a Saint Louis
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 1: Cardinal Hall of Famer. He had over three hundred saves
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 1: in his career. He didn't make our starting rotation and
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 1: we did not have good coaching in high school. He
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 1: just didn't small town that's whoever wanted to pretty much volunteer.
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 1: I think coach Seemer, guy like twenty five hundred dollars,
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 1: a nice guy, great math teacher. Wasn't much of a
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 1: baseball coach, I'll say that. And yet here's here's is
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 1: he and he was a little undersized, but he he
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 1: had to battle to try to get into the starting
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 1: rotation his entire time in high school and finally did
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 1: his senior year. I remember a town of fifteen hundred
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 1: people and our only major league pitcher from my hometown
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 1: took till his senior year in high school to get
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 1: into it, and he still was in the ace. He
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 1: wont he wanted the top two. It took him till
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 1: his senior year to get there with bad coaching.
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 3: That's exactly what mine was.
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and so and then and then he he because
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 1: he got to teach that nothing's going you're hitting ninth
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 1: and you're playing third base because there are too many
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 1: guys that are better than you ahead of you. Now
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 1: he grew, his arm, got livelier, and all that stuff,
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 1: But nonetheless, the work ethic that he taught to try
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 1: to chase us down yep, helped pave the way to
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 1: the major leagues for him where none of the rest
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 1: of us made it.
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 3: When his body caught up.
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 2: When he all of a sudden matured and his body
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 2: caught up, the work ethic didn't go away. So now
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 2: you have the same physical tools, maybe a little bit more,
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 2: but less than some of the guys that were probably
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 2: great at that young age, but they didn't have the
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 2: work ethic. So when his body caught up, the work
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 2: ethic then propelled him past to those that were ahead
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 2: of him. For his entire tire youth, that's the exact
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 2: same thing that happened to me. And it's something that
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 2: when my mom said, don't get bitter, get better, it
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 2: was what I kind of wanted to pat on the
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 2: head or you know, pinch my cheek and tell me
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 2: it's going to be okay, So I'll figure out a
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 2: way to help you out. That is just not the
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 2: way that most people parented back in the day, and
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 2: now you do. And I get why you do it
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 2: because you want to protect your kids, but you're really
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 2: not protecting them by not letting them fail. You're not
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 2: protecting You're setting them up for a bigger failure down
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 2: the road. I don't want my first failure for my
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 2: kid to be when he's twenty one or twenty five,
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 2: because then he's not going to know how to handle it,
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 2: and it's going to be a bigger failure because life
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 2: is bigger. Then he's gonna have failures now and next year,
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 2: in the following year, and it's not gonna be fun
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 2: to watch. But he's gonna do it. I'm not gonna
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 2: protect him from it, nor am I gonna do with
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 2: my daughter.
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 4: When I was playing water polo, I was definitely not
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 4: the fastest swimmer on the team, and I didn't like swimming,
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 4: but then they said, oh, here's water polo, and we've
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 4: got this new coach.
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 8: You guys should try it. I was like, this thing
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 8: is hard. I can't keep my head up of water.
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 8: So I just worked and worked and worked, and then
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 8: I was like, oh, I kind of like this sport.
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 4: This is pretty fun. I'm going to try to be
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 4: better at it. And I'll never forget having a conversation
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 4: with my coach one day saying, Hey, do you think
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 4: I could ever play hole set, which is like the
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 4: position in the middle in front of the goal, in
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 4: the middle of the pool. The ball goes in and
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 4: out of the whole set position, and you're kind of
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 4: in charge.
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 1: And you're the Tom Brady of the k Yeah.
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 4: And he looked at me and he said, not as
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 4: long as Ashley Jacobs lives on Mercer Island. And I
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 4: went home and I was like, hmm, all right, well,
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 4: I guess I've got a challenge. And every night I
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 4: sat there with a water pole ball in my hand.
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 4: I got better so that I could be better at
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 4: handling the ball, and every day I worked harder in practice,
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 4: and then I was the starting hole set. And I'll
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 4: never forget him telling me that I couldn't do something
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 4: because somebody else. And she was a great water polo player.
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 4: She's a great friend, but it turned out she was
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 4: actually also really good at a different position where her
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 4: speed could come into You know, you just have to
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 4: take these things, and you know we've been we.
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 8: Passed that on to Palmer all the time.
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 4: You don't have your going to be the fastest kid
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 4: out there, but you should be the one that works
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 4: the hardest. And she's already had an experience with, you know,
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 4: trying out for a select team and not making it.
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 4: And I told her that was the most valuable thing
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 4: that ever could have happened to her, because she now
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 4: has already, at this was at age nine, experience not
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 4: making a team while all her friends have made the
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 4: teams they've tried out for, so one day when they
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 4: get to try out to a team and they don't
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 4: make it, it's gonna be that much harder because they've
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 4: never done it before.
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 1: Look, and I don't want anybody to sound funny done,
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 1: Believe me, I was ahead of all of you listening
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 1: on wanting some sort of payment to players and to
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 1: get to this world, and I didn't know what to
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 1: expect once we got there. So I'm not sitting here
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 1: saying that you can't ever transfer or that you know
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 1: the changes that changes weren't. Believe me, I've been all
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 1: about making changes to college athletics to get it to
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 1: a better place. But that doesn't come at the sacrifice of.
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 10: Hill.
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 1: If you've got some if you've got some investment in
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 1: the process, that you just bail at the first sign
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 1: of it getting difficult, or you just jump at the
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 1: first opportunity to make one dollar more. Want to impress me,
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 1: Desmond Williams junior transfer to Texas beat out arch manning
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 1: the starting.
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 3: Job at that ain't happening.
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 1: I know, but you see why I'm exaggerating for emphasis.
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 1: But just this, this entire we've turned it into just hey,
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 1: if it's getting difficult, find a place that it's easier.
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 1: And I don't think that has ever worked in the
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 1: history of anything in making you better, tougher, grittier, and
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 1: ultimately more successful.
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 2: That's you're right, Ondet. It sucks to say this the
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 2: mark when we need to get out here, but there
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 2: there is a part of it where when the entire
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 2: world is playing that game. If you don't participate in
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 2: it at all, you could just end up sitting on
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 2: the sideline. When we're taking it down to the transfer
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 2: part of college football, if you say I'm signing with
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 2: you dub and I am purple Rain until my dying days,
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 2: and you sit your freshman year, you red shirt, and
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 2: then the freshman next one you read shirt.
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 3: If they every single year.
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 2: Bring in somebody in front of you and you basically
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 2: because of your integrity for it, you just said, I
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 2: am I'm not going to leave because my commitment. My
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 2: parents raised me that when I signed my letterm intent.
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 2: I'm a husky and you never get to see the
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 2: playing field. But you could have went somewhere and played.
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 2: Then there's a reason for it. But they get the
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 2: greedy side of it. You got something good going and
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 2: you're like, I'm just gonna go here because I get
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 2: a couple extra bucks.
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  Speaker 3: That's wrong.
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  Speaker 1: I like the rules for just what you're saying. That
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  Speaker 1: opportunity Like, if I'm just continuously getting blocked, I can't
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  Speaker 1: get to the top, and I think this is stole,
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  Speaker 1: this is halting my development. But when you're already want.
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  Speaker 1: You're already clearing a way the number one quarterback on
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  Speaker 1: the depth chart, and you're being having your ass kissed
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  Speaker 1: every day and you're getting millions of dollars and treated.
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  Speaker 1: And this is not just demand Williams. This is going
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  Speaker 1: on everywhere, and it's you still can't be happy because
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  Speaker 1: there might be fourteen more dollars in a couch cushion
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  Speaker 1: and Louisiana. Yeah, I mean that's pathetic. I mean, that's
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  Speaker 1: that's not growth.
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  Speaker 8: Because there's there's a lot of people out there that
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  Speaker 8: want to just be the richest, not the best.
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  Speaker 1: All Right, Coming up next, Mike Sando Sports Radio ninety
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  Speaker 1: All Right, Chuck Powell, Bucky Jacobson, and Ashley Ryan here
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  Speaker 1: on a Thursday INFL playoffs get started this week and
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  Speaker 1: joining us now is our NFL insider from the Athletic.
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  Speaker 1: No one in the world I think likes football more
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  Speaker 1: than this guy. Mike's is what it's right here on
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  Speaker 1: Chuck Powell Chuck and Buck Sports Radio ninety three point
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  Speaker 1: three kJ R f M. Good morning, uh man, I'm
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  Speaker 1: just all watching this left. Good morning, Mike, Good morning.
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  Speaker 15: I know it could be nerve wracking to, yeah, speak
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  Speaker 15: with an analyst of my stature. It is just calm down,
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  Speaker 15: you know, your first week in the business.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, did you ever like write down a word
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  Speaker 1: and you start misspelling it and then you can't get
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  Speaker 1: back on track with the words?
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  Speaker 3: Every other word?
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  Speaker 15: Hey, hey, I used to have words are named I was.
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  Speaker 15: I would type it wrong every time. Like you know,
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  Speaker 15: It's like I we get through if I wasn't careful
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  Speaker 15: about it.
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  Speaker 10: So, yeah, I know exactly what you're talking about.
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  Speaker 1: I almost called him, Powell. I almost called you, coach.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know what happened right there.
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  Speaker 15: We haven't had a first round by around here in
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  Speaker 15: a long time, okay, So we're just kind of getting
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  Speaker 15: back into what it's like to be a real market.
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  Speaker 1: How big of an advantage do you think it is
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  Speaker 1: this particular year for the Seahawks to have that buy
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  Speaker 1: and to have home fielded.
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  Speaker 10: I think it's huge. I don't know about compared to
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  Speaker 10: other years. I feel like it.
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  Speaker 15: Maybe there's otter years where it would be even more
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  Speaker 15: advantageous if there were really great teams. I don't feel
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  Speaker 15: like there's a bunch of great teams. There's a bunch
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  Speaker 15: of good teams in the NFC. But I think people
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  Speaker 15: are going to underrate how big of an advantage this is.
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  Speaker 15: And that's because we haven't had a real playoff game
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  Speaker 15: with a good Seahawk team in a long time.
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  Speaker 10: Now.
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  Speaker 15: They had a COVID game, but that wasn't a real
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  Speaker 15: good team. I just mean when they've been the number
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  Speaker 15: one seed here. I think it's happened three times that
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  Speaker 15: I can remember last twenty years, and they've gone to
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  Speaker 15: the super Bowl every time, and it's been a differentiating
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  Speaker 15: place to be.
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  Speaker 6: Now.
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  Speaker 15: I know they've had some issues at home and they've
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  Speaker 15: been better on the road, but I think they've had
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  Speaker 15: now two seasons with Mike McDonald to figure out okay,
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  Speaker 15: you know, is it harder to communicate whatever. On defense,
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  Speaker 15: I think they're just in prime position to go to
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  Speaker 15: the super Bowl this year with this opportunity, with this defense,
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  Speaker 15: with this special teams.
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  Speaker 10: And with this offense that.
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  Speaker 15: You know, hasn't had a consistent identity all the way through,
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  Speaker 15: but I feel pretty good about it.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm gonna ask something and I think that we
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  Speaker 3: can go ahead.
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  Speaker 7: I will.
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  Speaker 2: I'm gonna go ahead and just personally right off the Panthers,
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  Speaker 2: I think, be sure, they just beat the Rams, you know,
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  Speaker 2: a month or so ago, and so yes, it's possible
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  Speaker 2: that they could do it, But I don't think they're
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  Speaker 2: going to win that game. I think that's one team
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  Speaker 2: that even their ceiling isn't high enough to probably win
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  Speaker 2: the Super Bowl. I'm wondering for you, which team has
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  Speaker 2: the highest ceiling and the highest floor out of the
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  Speaker 2: teams in the NFC.
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  Speaker 15: Highest ceiling, highest floor, Well, I mean I think the
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  Speaker 15: Seahawks do. I put the seas on the top of that.
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  Speaker 15: I think their floor is losing by two points when
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  Speaker 15: their quarterback throws four interceptions against the other best team
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  Speaker 15: in the league. That's a really high floor. Okay, that's
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  Speaker 15: a super high floor. You know, you could argue that
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  Speaker 15: the Rams possibly have had a higher ceiling just because
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  Speaker 15: you know, their offense has been really can be really great.
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  Speaker 15: I think their quarterback is probably the best quarterback of
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  Speaker 15: anyone in the NFC, and probably maybe even in the league.
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  Speaker 15: I know, Drake May has had a great year, but
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  Speaker 15: if you had to count on somebody, right, so that's
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  Speaker 15: probably a team that you could argue maybe has a
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  Speaker 15: higher ceiling. I just think that they have taken a
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  Speaker 15: little step back here and they have some question marks
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  Speaker 15: that Seattle doesn't have. So, you know, I think the
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  Speaker 15: the you know, the the Eagles are have potentially.
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  Speaker 10: A high floor.
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  Speaker 15: I mean, they're sort of having a bad year for
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  Speaker 15: them and they're eleven and six. That's a pretty high floor, right,
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  Speaker 15: So you know, those are probably some teams there that
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  Speaker 15: they're all a little bit different, but I think the
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  Speaker 15: floor is lower for Chicago, It's very low for Carolina.
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  Speaker 15: Green Bay is a little bit harder to tell in
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  Speaker 15: San Francisco too, just because they have injuries. They have
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 15: key players missing, so it's kind of hard to know.
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  Speaker 1: Mike Sander was with us, our NFL insider from the
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  Speaker 1: Athletics been joining us at this time every Thursday to
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  Speaker 1: talk NFL football playoffs getting started. Of course this Saturday
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  Speaker 1: afternoon with the Panthers and the Rams. Of course, they
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 1: recede in the NFL playoffs. That's different from most leagues.
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  Speaker 1: They do receed in the NFL playoffs. So what would
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 1: a green Bay win over Chicago do to shake up
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  Speaker 1: the conference tournament? And do you think what kind of
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  Speaker 1: chance do you give them of pulling that off?
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  Speaker 15: I give them a good chance. Familiarity in the division.
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  Speaker 15: I think the Bears have played with fire a lot
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  Speaker 15: this year. You know, they they've trailed in most of
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 15: their games and won most of those, and that's just
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 15: a hard formula. They beat the Packers, but they needed
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 15: the Packers turned it over inside the five yard line.
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  Speaker 15: I think they THERI was an on side kick recovery,
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  Speaker 15: which I was joking with my Packer fans son. Of
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 15: course that'll never happen again with the Packers, but it
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 15: happens all the time. But still weird things had to happen.
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  Speaker 15: So I think there's a decent chance. And green Bay's
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  Speaker 15: favored in the game, I believe. I think I saw
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  Speaker 15: that they were favored by a point and a half
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  Speaker 15: when I looked yesterday, So yes, I actually think that
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  Speaker 15: would be a I think that would be just fine
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  Speaker 15: with Seattle to get the number seven seed right coming.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you know.
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  Speaker 15: And also they could then play that card of hey,
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  Speaker 15: the Packers pushed them all over the field last season
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  Speaker 15: to May they rushed for two hundred yards or something.
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  Speaker 10: You know, it'd be give.
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  Speaker 15: Seattle a seventh seed that they would really have something
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  Speaker 15: to prove against.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, on the AFC side of things, is this the
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  Speaker 2: year that Josh Allen has to get it done with
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 2: Mahomes and I guess Burrow whoever else has been in
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 2: his way of getting to the big game. They got
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 2: to get it done this year or is his coach
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  Speaker 2: going to be on the out?
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  Speaker 15: Well that could happen. I do think that we have
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 15: some real coaching As I look at the AFC, I
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 15: feel like Pittsburgh and Buffalo are two places where coach
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 15: has been there a long time, they haven't really gotten
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 15: you know, punched through and so a bad result, you know,
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 15: without winning a playoff game this year, if you were
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 15: embarrassed or something, that wouldn't surprise me. If there was
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 15: some kind of a change. They're not predicting it, but
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  Speaker 15: wouldn't be surprised by it. So I do think there's
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  Speaker 15: a you.
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  Speaker 10: Know, a lot of stake.
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  Speaker 15: I don't really feel like I feel like Josh Allen's
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 15: gonna be good for a really long time, and it's
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 15: hard to predict a year for year when it might
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 15: be a year, maybe it's this year, maybe they get
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 15: it done. But I think he's gonna be in championship
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 15: games in the future, whether or not Sean mcnermock gets
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 15: fired or whether or not they disappoint this year. I
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  Speaker 15: think he's too good and should be good for a
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 15: long time and we'll have another chance.
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  Speaker 1: Your reaction to Harball being fired, McDaniel being fired today
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  Speaker 1: and their next job in the end.
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  Speaker 15: Okay, So the Miami one's interesting because they waited a
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 15: little while, and if you noticed, when John Harball was fired,
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 15: the news came out that he's not going to do
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 15: interviews till next week. So that's why I wonder if
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 15: any of these teams in the playoffs could open, Could
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 15: harbab be waiting to see that. McDaniel, to me, would
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 15: be a great offensive coordinator somewhere. Philly's going to be
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 15: looking for one. I think that could be very interesting
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 15: for them. It would be funny. I don't know if
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  Speaker 15: if Kubi is going to get a head coaching job
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  Speaker 15: this year. Now we'll see, but he's going to be
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 15: playing deep into the playoffs, and I don't know that
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 15: people are looking at Seattle saying, hey, superstar offensive coordinator
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 15: is the reason why they're there, right I think they're saying, hey,
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  Speaker 15: this looks like a good fit and he's done a
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  Speaker 15: nice job. I don't think he's an automatic get a
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 15: job guy. I don't think he's necessarily going to go
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 15: in everywhere and just wow everybody. Right, So, because personality wise,
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 15: he's a little bit more even keeled. I don't think
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 15: he's just going to go in there and be super
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 15: dynamic and win it over. I think he'll get a
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 15: head coaching job eventually through the same success. And so
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  Speaker 15: I don't know that I'm predicting for that to happen
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 15: for him this year, especially with them, Like I said,
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  Speaker 15: I think they're going to go to a super Bowl.
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 15: I think they're probably going to win the Super Bowl
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 15: this year.
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  Speaker 10: That's how I feel.
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  Speaker 15: About him, and will everything could be filled by then.
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 15: So Mike McDaniel, though, would be a great Obviously, he'd
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 15: be a great replacement for Kubiek if he were to
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 15: get a head coaching job. I think he'd be a
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 15: great fit potentially in Philly, and it would be hilarious
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 15: because Vic Fangio's there and they supposedly didn't get along
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 15: in Miami. They would be more drama inside the inside
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 15: the Eagles, which they seem to love.
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  Speaker 10: So McDaniel would.
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  Speaker 15: Be a very hot OHC type of a choice. I
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 15: don't think he gets a head coaching job right away.
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  Speaker 10: Agreed.
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  Speaker 1: All right, So if I and I know this is
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 1: a nightmare for you, I mean, you'd probably either have
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 1: three bears break into your house and attack you while
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 1: you're sleeping. Then for me to say, you can only
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 1: watch one football game this weekend, but that's what that's
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 1: what I'm going to challenge you with. You can only
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 1: watch one of the games this weekend. What's the one
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 1: Mike Sando chooses.
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  Speaker 15: I think it's really easy for me. I think the
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  Speaker 15: Bills Jaguars game is the most interesting game.
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  Speaker 3: I agreed.
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  Speaker 15: I think it's just fascinating to see what the Jaguars
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 15: are to see. I think the Bills are favored in
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 15: that game, aren't they. I think I think I think
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 15: I saw that I need to double check down, have
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 15: it in front of me. Yeah, I think that's true. Yeah,
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 15: for the I don't know, for the Bill, the Jars Jaguars. Yeah,
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  Speaker 15: So that game is so if I'm going to rank
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 15: the games. You didn't ask me this, but let's ranked again.
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  Speaker 15: Bills Jaguars are number one for me to watch.
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  Speaker 6: Uh.
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  Speaker 15: Number two is Packers Bears because of the tradition, the stakes,
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 15: they're talking about, the floor's contract. There's something going on there,
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 15: isn't there. I mean, that's interesting to me. Then I'm
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 15: gonna say it is the forty nine Ers Eagles just hey,
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 15: there's drama around the Eagles. The forty nine Ers are
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 15: a house money team. They're kind of hey, could they
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 15: go and do it?
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  Speaker 10: I think?
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 15: Then it's Houston and Pittsburgh for me is interesting because of,
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 15: hey is Tomlin?
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 10: What's that going to look like? Rogers is?
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 15: Rogers are gonna get sacked forty seven times by that front.
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 15: You know, I'll kind of want to see what goes
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 15: on there. And then I think it's Chargers and Patriots
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 15: because of you know, Justin Herbert has been an interesting
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 15: guy in the playoffs and the expectations are kind of off.
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 15: Now this year you got Harbaugh as a coach. Jim,
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 15: what are the Patriots made of? I think that's fun?
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 15: And then then it Rams Panthers is just kind of
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 15: my last one but is still interesting. I think it's
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 15: still compelling because the Panthers beat him.
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  Speaker 1: All Right, I'm gonna line this out. I mean, we're
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 1: not the biggest gamblers in the world, but we probably should.
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 1: I know a lot of people out there are. So
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 1: Houston's a two and a half point favorite, New England's
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 1: a three and a half point favorite, Buffalo is a
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 1: one and a half point favorite, Green Bay, you were right,
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 1: a one and a half point favorite, and the Rams
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 1: are a ten point favorite.
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  Speaker 10: So here's what you do if you want to lose
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 10: your money. Here's sandos picks.
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  Speaker 15: Okay, take Carolina in the ten and a half points. Okay,
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 15: if I would probably take Chicago and take the one
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 15: and a half, I'm a little nervous. I take the
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 15: Jaguars and I take the one and a half. I
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 15: would take the four nine ers and take four and
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 15: a half. I would take the Patriots and give three
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 15: and a half. And I would take the Texans and
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 15: give three. So if we write those down, let's just
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 15: see how Okay, I agree what people do, but that's
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 15: kind of I feel I agree with about half of that.
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  Speaker 3: That's good.
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 15: That really helps your ear, that tells your listeners, don't
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 15: bet on anything.
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  Speaker 10: It'll be the.
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 1: Smartest, all right, Well, enjoy it all. We'll talk to
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 1: you next week.
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 10: All right, Okay, we'll see it all right.
• 1:34:55
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