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Good afternoon. It's Friday the 13th of June
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2025. Unlucky for just about all of us
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as we're about to see just after 1:00.
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And welcome to UK Column News. I'm your host Mike Robinson and
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my Co host today in the studio is Patrick Hennings.
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And welcome to the programme, Patrick.
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Good to be with you, Mike. And journalist Mark Anderson
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joins us by video link from the United States.
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Now, later in the programme, Patrick and I will be speaking
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to Human rights lawyer Arnold Devaley, who personally
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witnessed the recent attempts by Russia to return Ukrainian dead
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to Ukraine. And Mark will be bringing us the
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latest on the Bilderberg Conference taking place as we
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speak, as well as a related organisation many people haven't
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heard of, and that's the Ditchley Foundation.
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But we're obviously going to begin today's programme with
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Israel's attack on Iran. Overnight, Israel claimed it was
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targeting Islamic Revolutionary Guard targets in Tehran and then
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much wider, including the Natanz nuclear enrichment plant.
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Apparently they've also been targeting nuclear, civilian
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nuclear facilities as well. Now, according to the Times of
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Israel, it's believed that the chief of Iran's military and
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senior nuclear scientists were eliminated as the term is used
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in the IDF's opening strikes. Iran has so far confirmed at
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least six of its nuclear scientists were killed,
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including Farid Faridun Abasi, the former head of the Atomic
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Energy Organisation of Iran. Now, Donald Trump took to Truth
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Social to justify the attack and to warn, to warn Iran to come to
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the table. And then in his post, Trump said
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he gave Iran chance after chance.
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But that quotes, no matter how hard they tried, no matter how
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close they got, they just couldn't get it done.
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Uh, so that's Trump's position. Patrick's going to have more on
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Trump in a second. While the West is clearly deeply
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happy with what has happened, Russia is less so.
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Uh, Dmitry Peskov, uh, said that Russia is concerned by and
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condemns the sharp escalation in tensions.
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And in a statement to board members, Rafael Grossi, who's
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from the IAEA, said, I've repeatedly stated that nuclear
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facilities must never be attacked regardless of the
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context or circumstances, as it could harm both people and the
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environment. Such attacks of serious
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implications for nuclear safety, security and safeguards, as well
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as regional and international peace and security.
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Netanyahu, for his part, took to the television screens and
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declared that Israel is at A at a decisive point in its history.
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Let's have a listen to a little bit of what he said.
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Moments ago, Israel launched Operation Rising Lion, a
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targeted military operation to roll back the Iranian threat to
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Israel's very survival. This operation will continue for
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as many days as it takes to remove this threat.
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Now, As Prime Minister, I've made it clear time and again,
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Israel will never allow those who call for our annihilation to
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develop the means to achieve that goal.
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Tonight, Israel backs those words with action.
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We struck at the heart of Iran's nuclear enrichment programme.
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We struck at the heart of Iran's nuclear weaponization programme.
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We targeted Iran's main enrichment facility in Natanz.
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We targeted Iran's leading nuclear scientists working on
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the Iranian bomb. We also struck at the heart of
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Iran's ballistic missile programme.
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Now, of course, there was no evidence forthcoming for an
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actual bomb, but nonetheless, what's clear there is it's not
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over yet. There's much more to come in the
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coming days. And the Netanyahu regime is
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dying for Iran to strike back. And while Iran is apparently
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launched a drone a drone strike so far, Israeli Defence Minister
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Katz is clearly hoping for much more.
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In preparation, he said that he has signed a special order
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according to which a special state of emergency will be
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imposed in what they call the home front throughout the entire
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state of Israel and well the ID FS Homefront Command commands.
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Speaker Tesler warned that in the coming few hours quotes we
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could experience a significant attack from the east.
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These conclude these could include heavy missiles and so
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on. We're going to give far reaching
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warnings, he said. And they said that the Homefront
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Command had announced immediate changes to guidelines
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prohibiting all educational activities, all gatherings and
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attendance at workplaces, with the exception of essential
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sectors. So just like the COVID lockdown,
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they said, the public is required to follow the
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guidelines published on the official Homefront Command
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channel. And Netanyahu went on in his
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speech to explain the objective of the operation, which is
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regime change. This is what he had to say.
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Yet in defending ourselves, we also defend others.
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We defend our Arab neighbours. They too have suffered from
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Iran's campaign of chaos and carnage.
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Our actions against Iran's proxy Hezbollah led to the
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establishment of a new government in Lebanon and the
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collapse of Assad's murderous regime in Syria.
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The peoples of those two countries now have a chance for
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a different future, a better future.
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So too do the brave people of Iran.
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And I have a message for them. Our fight is not with you.
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Our fight is with the brutal dictatorship that has oppressed
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you for 46 years. I believe that the day of your
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liberation is near. So regime change, absolutely.
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But look, he he justified his actions by ramping up the the
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fear rhetoric. Nuclear terrorism is the threat
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which the world faces. And that's pretty ironic since
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the West and Israel seem to be to be the real nuclear terrorist
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at this point. But here's what he had to say.
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I want to assure the civilised world we will not let the
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world's most dangerous regime get the world's most dangerous
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weapons. And Iran plans to give those
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weapons, nuclear weapons, to its terrorist proxies.
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That would make the nightmare of nuclear terrorism all too real.
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The increasing range of Iran's ballistic missiles would bring
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that nuclear nightmare to the cities of Europe and eventually
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to America. So eventually to America that
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Americans must be shaking. Oh yeah, yeah, we're going to
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start a war over here to save you in America.
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So everything he said was a lie. In each one of those clips, he's
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talking about the civilised world and he's saying Iran's the
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world most world's most dangerous regime.
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He is in the in the International Criminal Court
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indictment for crimes against humanity.
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His country's in the international courts of justice
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for genocide. This is Israel is, if you want
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to go by the book legally. Israel is the world's most
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dangerous and uncivilised nation right now in the world.
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That's not me saying it. Those are the legal scholars.
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And finally, on Netanyahu's statement, he cited the lessons
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of the Second World War, invoking the Holocaust, which
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remains the justification for every appalling action of the
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Israeli regime, it seems. But he went further, also
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invoking the Bible in what at first glance might look like him
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directly addressing the Christian world.
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Let's have a listen. After that war, the Jewish
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people and the Jewish state vowed never again.
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Well, never again is now. Today, Israel has shown that we
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have learned the lessons of history.
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When enemies vow to destroy you, believe them.
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When enemies build weapons of mass death, stop them.
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As the Bible teaches us, when someone comes to kill you, rise
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and act first. This is exactly what Israel has
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done. Today.
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We have risen like lions to defend ourselves.
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I mean, I think we can all agree that that is pretty far from
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being a Christian message. Well, there's no evidence that
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Iran was building a bomb, first of all, and never again is
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happening in Gaza at the hands of Israel.
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What do you say? Rise and strike first, as I
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already said, Well, this is basically straight off of the
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motto of the Israeli intelligence services, rise and
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kill first. This book by Ronan Bergman, who
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is a top sort of, you could say a court scribe of the Mossad in
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the Israeli security state. But nonetheless, this is
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excellent book which is published a few years ago and I
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do recommend people at least take a look at it or at least
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read the Cliff notes on that. Well, look, we we mentioned
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Trump earlier, but what, what's your thoughts on it, on his
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position? The question, Mike, is what did
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he know and when T know it, because the the the line the US
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is selling at the moment is well, this was wasn't us.
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We weren't involved. This was all Israel.
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They went on their own, Trump said.
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I tried to warn them, but they wouldn't listen.
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The same old shtick, right? Well, let's put this up on on
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the screen for a moment here. Trump told Netanyahu on Monday
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not to attack Iran. That's on record.
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Wall Street Journal, there's a number of admissions like this.
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So that's interesting. So what did he know and when did
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he know it here? Well, Daniel McAdams wanted to
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know this. He's director of the Ron Paul
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Institute. Then on this programme as well.
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Press report stated 2 days ago that President Trump told
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Netanyahu not to even think about attacking Iran before the
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scheduled talks with the US. Sounds good, right?
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If that was the the case with tonight's attack, Naniel
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demonstrated what he thinks of the US, his largest and only
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financial and military backer. He thinks we are his little
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bioche. You could say I don't know the
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French pronunciation. He thinks that Trump is his
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bioche. And are we as Daniel McAdams?
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I mean, this is what a lot of real conservatives are saying
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today. So big, big debate.
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So what did he know and when did he know?
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How credible is this party line? Mike, the denials and
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contradictions in the media today are just incredible.
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BBC saying US says it was not involved in Israel's military
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strikes down the BBC article. Mike.
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They admit that Israel had notified Washington before, but
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it's buried at the bottom of the article.
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But look at the difference in the Reuters headline.
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Israel notified Washington before the Iran strike, says
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Israeli state broadcaster. That's also been corroborated by
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someone. We'll show you in a minute.
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But what does that say? That that means the United
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States gave Israel the green light?
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Am I? Am I interpreting this?
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Well, unless the US intelligence agency, Defence Department, the
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State Department aren't communicating with Trump.
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Right, which is more scary, actually.
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So what is it this president? Peace through strength.
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I think it's weakness through war.
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And this is the problem with Trump.
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Now, here's one of his close confidence at Fox News, Bret
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Baier from Special Report, kind of spilling the beans in a way
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and kind of almost boasting about the whole situation.
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Listen to this. Hey, Tres.
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Yeah, I just spoke to President Trump.
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One thing you know, the president was aware of Israel's
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action before it. It happened.
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There were no surprises here. But he gave me a quote.
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He said Iran cannot have a nuclear bomb.
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We're hoping to get back to the negotiating table.
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We'll see. There are several people in
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leadership in Iran that will not be coming back.
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Now the president I know has spoken to.
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It was the end of that was chilling.
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Like there's some people in the Iran leadership that won't be
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coming back. They're doing a victory lap in
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the United States about the killing of top Iranian
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officials, including decorated nuclear scientists.
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There's no evidence that they're working on weapons, by the way.
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And these are people that liaise with the International Atomic
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Energy Agency on a regular basis, if I'm not mistaken.
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We'll show you the gravity of that as well in a moment.
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But you know the hypocrites democracy from Donald Trump.
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Listen to this is Donald Trump back in 2016 when he was Larping
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as a peace president and that that's how he got a lot of
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votes. The anti war vote in the
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original MAGA camp is a significant demographic and it
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did help to bring Trump push him over the edge to victory not
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once but twice. And here he is basically
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lambasting Barack Obama in 2015 and 16 on the campaign trail.
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Watch this. Our president will start a war
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with Iran because he has absolutely no ability to
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negotiate. He's weak and he's ineffective.
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So the only way he figures that he's going to get re elected,
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and as sure as you're sitting there, is to start a war with
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Iran. Sure, as I'm sitting here.
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So Obama can't negotiate, vote for me, I can negotiate.
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What a hypocrite Donald Trump has turned out to be and what a
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fraud of this. He's a peace president.
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This is just if we we don't need any more lessons than what we
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see in right in front of us. But here's the real story.
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And now it gets interesting, doesn't it?
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Times of Israel take a look at this report.
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US helped lull Iran into the belief that no attack was
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imminent here. And this is, again, the Israeli
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press Look at this. Israeli sources say the attack
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on our Duran was preceded by a deception operation that
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included media, diplomatic components like Steve Witkoff
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and both internal and external involving various actors.
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That is incredibly damning, but it doesn't end there.
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What caught my eye, Mike, is actually in the sidebar.
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Let's take a closer look at this.
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What is in the sidebar? Take a look at this covert
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Mossad base in Iran activated drones overnight to hit missile
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launchers, officials say, and also to take out possibly radar
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positions and anti aircraft positions as well.
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So what does this remind us of? What did we report on last
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Friday? Well, that's that's actually the
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second thing that reminds us of that, because the first thing
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that reminds us of that is the fact that the attack happened
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the day before there were supposed to be talks.
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So in Ukraine, the attack happened the day before there
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were supposed to be talks. In Iran, the attack happened the
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day before, there was supposed to be talks.
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And it looks like there was covert activity happening in
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country in both cases. This is a bit of a coincidence.
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And kill web, kill web technology like a reported on
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last week, very similar to Operation Spider's web.
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And who do they think the fingerprints are on that?
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Well, the US and Britain were were fingered with and Israel,
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some of the American commentators said Mossad might
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have been involved in the Ukrainian operation against
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Russia. That's on record.
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There's a number of people that on various podcasts, some of the
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top former intelligence officials have said that it's
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interesting how it all matches up, doesn't it?
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I find it to be incredibly interesting.
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So let's take a look here. British and American
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involvement. Are they militarily involved in
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this attack? Yesterday?
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They say they're not. Well, let's take a look at award
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winning journalist Hala Jaber reporting here. two US planes
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are basically taking off out of Qatar here.
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This is Flight RADAR 24. It's open source data.
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Take a closer look at that. What exactly?
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What exactly are they in terms of planes?
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US Air Force? So these would be collecting
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data, surveillance, possibly radar data, possibly relaying it
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to the Israelis. I would think that they would
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be. I don't think they would be
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passive on this operation. So does this count as being
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involved? If that's the case, that's the
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United States. What about Britain?
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Probably the same I would guess. Well, she actually gave us some
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data on that too. Royal Air Force, same place out
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of Qatar, same base. There they are.
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And there's the plane details there.
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And again, this is open source data, which she did a very nice
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job of collating for us. So much appreciated.
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Great work as usual by Khalid Jaber, Mike.
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So it is. There's so many things that have
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just set up this event and teed it up.
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Even shades of Iraq, You know, the whole WMD lies that we were
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sold in in advance of the Iraq war, that Iraq was, you know,
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inches away from a nuclear weapon.
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We we're seeing the same things here, right with the atomic
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International Atomic Energy Agency.
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Well, let's let's talk about the International Atomic Energy
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Agency then, because their Board of Governors behind closed doors
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has voted in favour of a resolution declaring Iran and
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breach of its non proliferation obligations.
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To quote them, they say the board finds that that Iran's
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many failures to uphold its obligations since 2019 to
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provide the agency with full and timely cooperation regarding
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undeclared nuclear material and activities at multiple
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undeclared locations in Iran constitutes non compliance with
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its obligations under the safeguards agreement with the
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agency. Now this is what Reuters is
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reporting the resolution is saying.
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The vote according to Reuters was 19411 abstentions and three
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votes against and the three votes against were Russia, China
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and Burkina Faso. Now this Patrick to me is
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fascinating because we know that the Organisation for Prohibition
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of Chemical Weapons has been completely Co opted by western
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regimes to promote western narratives as highlighted in
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Pierce Robinson's series of articles on the UK column
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website. And the the first question that
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I have for you is, has the IAEA gone the same way then?
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It does appear and there's actually evidence for this
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actually university Tehran Mohamed Morandi Professor
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Mohamed Randi who who's actually on the JCPOA Iran nuclear deal
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media advisory team for the Iranian government in Vienna.
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He had something to say about this.
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There was an intelligence leak Mike, a few days before this
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hugely Iran had got a hold of a bunch of material taken from
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Israeli intelligence somehow and have made bits of it public and
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it shows how Israel Co opted the IEA and they released some of
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that information only a bit. And this was just a few days
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ago. I don't believe in coincidences.
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Watch this. As you know, there are a huge
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amount of documents, and these are only bits and pieces that
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they are publishing for the sake of the general public and also
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because of the attempt by the United States and its European
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partners to put pressure on Iran.
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The Iranians, as you know quite well, they believed from many
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years past that the International Atomic Energy
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Agency was providing the Israeli regime with information about
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our scientists in order for them to be able to assassinate those
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scientists. And, and they were providing all
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sorts of information in order to carry out sabotage as well by
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the Americans and the Israeli regime.
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Because all of the all of the operations carried out against
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Iran are joint operations between the Americans and the
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Israeli regime and often other countries in the West or even in
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the region that cooperate so. So there we are.
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And so let's put some meat on the bones on those accusations
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just a couple of days ago. Well, here it is.
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Take a look at this up on screen again.
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This is the Cradle. Very good outlet here.
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Of course, this was published in a number of different outlets
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here. Leaked documents released by the
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Iranian media agency show the International Atomic Energy
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Agency chief Rafael Grossi has been fully coordinating with the
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Israelis and carrying out its directives.
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This is earth, earth shaking stuff.
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I mean, he should he still be in charge of this organisation?
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Well, let's take a look at that. So yeah, that's, that's the
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claim there. Those are the accusations, Mike.
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And you know what? We just have to go back a little
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bit in time, just checking the Israeli press and what did I
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find? Well, I found this Israelis
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Prime Minister at the time, Naftali Bennett, meets with the
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IAEA chief Grossi over Iran's nuclear activity.
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So meeting in private with the Israeli leadership.
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Israel has a nuclear weapons arsenal of 300 estimated
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undeclared warheads. They're meeting in secret with
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the International Atomic Energy Agency to not to talk about
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Israel's nukes, but to talk about Iran's when the US
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intelligence agency's latest assessment says Iran does not
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have a nuclear bomb and they're not developing it.
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So, I mean, I don't know what to say at this point, quite
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frankly. So consider all of this, Mike.
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And you know, the lessons are should you get into negotiations
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with the United States? We've just given you 2 reasons
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why you shouldn't over the last two weeks.
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It's a completely impossible situation for countries like
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Iran, Russia and China because, you know, at the end of the day,
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if they militarise themselves, build up a defence capability
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that is see that is presented by the West as being a, you know, a
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threat to the West and they are the aggressor.
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On the other hand, if they sit back and do nothing, they just
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get bombed. So, you know, what are they
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supposed to do? It's it's an impossible
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situation for you. You can make the argument that
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Iran should have acquired a nuclear weapon 10 years ago, 15
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years ago, but bit the bullet back then and when the United
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States was mired in Iraq and perhaps we wouldn't be even
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having this conversation right now, quite frankly.
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So so here, here's for the Russians.
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This is a Russia Day was just yesterday.
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Take a look at this up on screen.
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There he is, Marco Rubio, Secretary of State.
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And what did he have to say at? He gave us a great message to
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the Russian people for Russia Day.
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He said the Secretary of State took the opportunity to reaffirm
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the United States desire for constructive engagement with the
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Russian Federation to bring about a durable peace between
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Russia and Ukraine. It's great.
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And you know, you got plaudits in the Russian press for this.
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Did would you trust Marco Rubio? No, not after what we've seen in
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the last 24 hours and certainly not what we saw last week with
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the Ukrainian attack on the Russian nuclear triad long range
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bombers. So I mean, that's the thing.
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That's the question. Do you trust the United States?
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This is the big question. We put a we put a big fat
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question mark up on screen there with that, with that graphic.
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But so that's the that's the $100 million question, Mike, why
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would you get into negotiations? So, you know, how do you see
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this playing out over the next couple of days where we're going
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to see a whole bunch of tit for tat retaliations or is it simply
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just going to escalate and end up in a much broader regional
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conflict? That's a very good question,
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Mike. And we don't know Iran could
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retaliate as we're talking right now in this live broadcast.
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It could come immediately, it could come later.
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We don't know for sure. What we do know is that they are
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capable of mounting a pretty substantial conventional missile
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attack, which they have done 2 times before.
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They didn't launch True Promise 3IN response to Israel's counter
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attack back in October, which they promised.
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So that means the door is open for Iran to launch in their mind
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anyway. True Promise 3 and 4, but we'll
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see. How badly compromised or is the
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Iranian military hierarchy? How badly compromised?
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Are there sort of a radar defence and all the other
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systems required to defend themselves and maybe even launch
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an attack? We don't know for sure.
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We can only wait and see. the United States says they will
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defend Israel, so they allow Israel to attack.
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Where's the UN Security Council going to be on this?
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I mean, this is an act of war. And any country, as we said
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before the programme, like any country that's willing to target
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another country's nuclear reactors is willing to use
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nuclear weapons on another country who doesn't have nuclear
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weapons. That's Israel willing to do
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that. And they've demonstrated that.
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So talk about the most dangerous country in the world, Benjamin
24:50
Netanyahu. I don't think so.
24:53
Mark, let me welcome you to the programme, what have you.
24:57
If you've got any thoughts on that, let us know.
25:00
Let's start there. Have you got any thoughts on
25:02
what we just presented? Well, I think just to double
25:06
down on the sheer hypocrisy of Israel, which long has been
25:11
known to have a nuclear arsenal, to call everyone else a nuclear
25:14
threat. Even the US and Russia back in
25:17
the Cold War days, that they considered it stable to have
25:21
10,000 nukes each. You know, there was a balance of
25:24
power and that was considered acceptable.
25:26
And Iran can't even develop one. Even if they had one weapon,
25:30
they would have a sovereign right to develop that.
25:32
But evidently they don't have such weapons.
25:35
So I would just leave it at that.
25:37
OK. Thank you, Mark.
25:38
Now, of course, you're here to talk about the Bilderberg
25:41
meeting, which is taking place as we speak in Stockholm in
25:44
Sweden. What are your thoughts on it?
25:47
Well, that the big bad Bilderberg boys are back in
25:50
town. Everybody's favourite group from
25:53
which wars spring, rumours of wars, plans for wars, many
25:57
allege. Course they're meeting
25:59
Stockholm, Sweden, it's their 71st meeting in 71 years.
26:02
As I mentioned last week when I did a very brief preliminary, we
26:06
do have, of course, they release it at the last minute.
26:08
They're just so accommodating. We do have the list of their
26:11
topics, many of which are bluntly one word, but I guess we
26:15
have to go with it. Here's their detailed list.
26:18
Transatlantic relationship, then we have Ukraine, then U.S.
26:24
economy. Europe is another one.
26:28
Middle East that's kind of interesting right now.
26:31
Authoritarian access. Anybody that's not a globalist
26:35
is an authoritarian. Defence.
26:37
Innovation and resilience, Then AI deterrence and national
26:42
security, another one. Proliferation, then geopolitics
26:46
of energy and critical minerals, and finally depopulation and
26:51
migration. 11 topics in all. And as you see that some of
26:56
those are one word, you could literally drive a tank through
26:58
them and not even rub on the sides.
27:01
But anyway, we have a little bit of footage as I'm describing
27:04
some of the participants. Thanks to Dan Dix for Press for
27:08
Truth. He's quite a trooper out there.
27:11
Anyway, some of the key attendees, we, of course, we
27:14
have Albert Borla of Pfizer. He's becoming a fixture there at
27:19
Bilderberg. Good for him.
27:22
Some of the other interesting ones, there's about 140 from
27:25
North America and Europe. Like usual, we have Christopher
27:28
Donahue, the US commander for the US Army in Europe and
27:32
Africa. We also have, of course, Mathias
27:36
Doffner of Axel Springer. He's been working with AI
27:41
creators and promoters to to merge and bring connections
27:46
between the mass media cartel and AI.
27:48
There's a lot going on there. We see Peter Thiel being tailed
27:54
by Dan Dix here in that footage. As I'm speaking, a very, a very
27:59
militant behaviour as he exhibited there, just marching
28:03
forward without saying a word. But some of the others are
28:06
Michael Kratzios, director of the White House Office of
28:10
Science and Technology Policy, a Robert Lighthizer, who in
28:15
Trump's first term was his trade negotiator.
28:19
He's returning as a privateer, the Centre for American Trade.
28:24
We also have Samuel Papero, the commander of the US Indo Pacific
28:30
branch of the Army. In terms of the the country of
28:35
the UK, we have the member of Parliament, Jeremy Hunt, who's
28:38
there, the president of the Bundestag, Julia Klockner.
28:44
Some other interesting ones. Now the Bank for International
28:46
Settlements, the central Bank of the central banks, they don't
28:50
often have someone at Bilderberg, now they do.
28:52
Pablo Hernandez, General manager elect of the Bank for
28:57
International Settlements, rather interesting there.
29:00
And today is just an initial swipe at this.
29:02
I'll be doing a pretty in depth article and investigation of all
29:07
these connections, a group I'll be talking about a little later
29:10
today, the Ditchley Foundation. One of the connections there is
29:15
John Sowers, long time MA 6 now he's with Newbridge Advisory
29:19
Limited. He's at Bilderberg and he's
29:21
pretty high up at Ditchley now. An interesting one as well is
29:26
Jason Smith, a member of the US Congress.
29:28
Well, who cares about the Congressman from the 8th
29:31
District of Missouri? He's a Republican, pretty pro
29:34
Trump, but he happens to be chairman of the House Ways and
29:38
Means Committee, which writes all the tariff laws, trade
29:43
policy, as well as customs guidelines, customs regulations.
29:49
So he's a very key member of Congress.
29:51
It could be that they're trying to bend his ear or even bend his
29:55
arm on tariffs and trade policy to get things more aligned with
29:58
the globalist. I've got a call in to Jason
30:01
Smith's office. They haven't returned that call
30:03
yet. They're usually pretty slow
30:04
about those things, if they return them at all.
30:07
I might have to try email on that.
30:09
Sometimes they're more responsive.
30:11
Other than that, those are some of the big ones.
30:13
For now, you've got the usual sellouts at the media, although
30:17
there are fewer of the media legacy media people there than
30:21
usual. I mentioned Mr Doffner of Axel
30:24
Springer of there's also your Fariz Zakaria, of course.
30:28
He's been with CNNA long time and he's a think tanker.
30:31
With the CFR, you have Gideon Rachman of the Financial Times,
30:35
Thomas Friedman of the New York Times, some of the key ones
30:38
there, but not quite as many. Usually you have like 9 or 10,
30:42
maybe 11, possibly up to a dozen media sellouts who go in there
30:47
and collaborate with the globalist movement here, the
30:49
globalist Bilderbergers, but don't actually ever write about
30:52
it. So that's a lot of the goings on
30:55
some of the people there. And of course, they'll be much
30:59
more in the days and weeks ahead as I work on my major article
31:02
about this and look for all the ways that this intersects the
31:05
different topics, the different participants and whatnot.
31:09
So we'll leave it there for now, but much more connection wise
31:11
with Ditchley a little later on in today's show.
31:15
Thank you, Mark. Thank you very much for that.
31:17
I quite enjoyed Peter Thiel fleeing the cameraman with that
31:20
stern look on his face, like he didn't want anybody to know he
31:23
was there. He wasn't terribly.
31:25
Happy. Libertarian Peter.
31:27
Peter Thiel. Yes, indeed, Palantir, of
31:29
course. And yeah, we love them.
31:31
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32:41
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32:44
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32:47
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32:49
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32:59
or take part in that as well. Patrick, you wanted to mention
33:02
the Freedom Flotilla. Yeah, just to give people
33:06
there's an update on this. Most of the people are back.
33:09
Three are stuck in Israel. These are the people that were
33:11
apprehended by the Israelis on the Madeleine sailboat this past
33:15
week. And because of the attack with
33:16
Iran, the three of them are still incarcerated.
33:18
The others have made it back home.
33:20
So more information, go to freedomflotilla.org.
33:23
And that is their ex Twitter profile right up there.
33:26
So all the information is there. Incredible effort by these
33:30
people and they've paid a a huge price for it, but also got a lot
33:34
of support for it as well. Now we did a great interview
33:37
with one of the organisers, which was yesterday, Doctor
33:41
Frank Romano and to give us updates as well as the Rema
33:44
Hassan, the European MEP from France that she was incarcerated
33:48
and detained by the Israelis as well.
33:51
So that's up there. YouTube tried their hardest to
33:53
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34:05
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34:09
this great live stream that we did just yesterday in fact.
34:13
And by the way, we do have some of our listeners, including
34:17
listeners and viewers of this show who are on the Global March
34:20
to Gaza, which is marching through the Sinai desert to the
34:24
Rafa border crossing. One of them in particular I've
34:26
been in touch with. And the Egyptian government has
34:29
cracked down hard. They've deported 170, I think
34:33
European participants in this by raiding hotels, believe it or
34:38
not. So some of the people have
34:40
managed to get out of Cairo and are making their way towards the
34:42
Rafah border crossing. So we'll give you updates on
34:45
that as soon as we get, as soon as we know more.
34:47
Yeah. Thank you, Patrick.
34:48
OK, Now let's move on to Ukraine.
34:51
And on Wednesday this week, the bodies of 1212 Ukrainian
34:56
soldiers were returned from Russia as part of an exchange
34:58
agreement. In return, Russia apparently
35:01
only received 27 bodies. That is of note, as we'll see in
35:05
a second. Now, Moscow's chief negotiator
35:09
said that that this followed an earlier attempt to do the same
35:13
thing on the 8th of June. But at that point, on the 8th of
35:17
June, Ukraine seemed to be refusing to take the 6000 bodies
35:21
that Russia was attempting to return.
35:24
Now, yesterday, Patrick and I spoke to international human
35:27
rights lawyer Arnold de Valle about what he witnessed on the
35:31
ground at that, at that attempted exchange.
35:34
Have a listen to this. On the issue of Ukraine, Mike,
35:38
there's a huge story. It's been I think massively
35:41
underreported and one of the reasons because the potential
35:44
for embarrassment is pretty amazing.
35:47
We'll bring up on screen here. Here's the president of Ukraine
35:50
at the moment, Vladimir Zelinsky.
35:53
And he is a little bit concerned of by a lot of things and this
35:57
latest story is not going to make life any easier for him.
36:02
And this is an article up at 21st Century wire.com.
36:05
Convoy of the the dead, Kiev's mendacious pretext to disown its
36:11
fallen soldiers. This is written by Arno Devilay
36:15
at 21st Century Wire. And we've got we've got some
36:18
video mic. And this is from on site at the
36:21
exchange. This was provided to us by Arno
36:24
Devilay. We'll roll this this clip of the
36:27
of the dead bodies in the back, the Russian refrigeration trucks
36:31
that Ukraine refused to accept. Let's go ahead and watch this.
36:47
No. So that was at the border near
36:55
in in the Briansk region of there.
36:59
And this up on screen will bring this as well.
37:02
This is a fellow here wearing a mask in front of this truck here
37:07
at the body exchange site. Actually, we've got this person
37:11
on the line live on the call with us right now from the
37:15
region. Is Arno Devil A joining us.
37:17
He is an international human rights lawyer and author and a
37:21
journalist joining us on the live link right now.
37:23
Arno, how are you? Hello, Patrick, and hello Mike.
37:27
How are you? This is incredible story, Arno.
37:30
So you were at the exchange site.
37:32
So what? Just describe us the scene of
37:36
what happened and then let's put this into context.
37:39
Apparently we're told you can correct us if we have any of the
37:42
details wrong, but Russia had 6000 Ukrainian soldiers that it
37:48
was a dead dead soldiers in an exchange which is part of the
37:51
Istanbul agreement. This is an important thing to
37:55
kick start peace negotiations. And for some reason the
38:00
Ukrainian government, Zelensky didn't want to know.
38:03
Budanov. I think the head of intelligence
38:05
said, oh, we'll take it sometime next week, but we're not sure.
38:09
Can you explain to us what went on here?
38:11
Go ahead, Arno. Yes.
38:13
Well, it all started, as you mentioned, in the renewal of
38:17
negotiations, quote out of court negotiation in Istanbul.
38:22
Why do I say quote out of court? Well, because the Ukrainian
38:26
delegation is de facto not allowed to negotiate anything
38:32
per presidential decree bearing on territories, NATO membership,
38:39
the size of the army post war Ukraine, not to mention any
38:44
issue related to Russian language as recognised by the
38:49
Ukrainian constitution. Right by the minority ethnic
38:54
Russians in Ukraine. The only thing they were allowed
38:57
to discuss with the Russians. And one can surmise that this
39:03
was a nod to Donald Trump, just to make sure that Donald Trump
39:08
would not be miffed by a complete lack of cooperation
39:13
from the Ukrainians was to discuss the issue of swapping
39:18
prisoners of wars. And so up to that point,
39:22
everything looks pretty dandy to the extent you know, they are
39:26
specific lists of prisoners. When it got dicey for Kiev is
39:33
when Russia, as a sign of good faith and unilaterally proposed,
39:42
offered to give back to Ukraine upward to 6000 of its fallen
39:49
soldiers. This was somewhat of a shock to
39:54
the Ukrainians. Why was it a shock?
39:58
For the simple reason that. By and large, the crews, the
40:04
people who are in the battlefield trying to dodge
40:08
drones and or artillery shells in order to recover the bodies
40:13
are Russian soldiers. The Ukrainians do not retrieve
40:15
their bodies. So this was actually a shock and
40:20
and I guess the number must have been also overwhelming.
40:23
And so the delegation are Kiev by extension, basically
40:30
stonewalled the Russians, but the silence basically implied
40:35
that they were not opposed to it.
40:38
And so on that basis, the Russians decided to basically
40:43
bring along to the border upward to 6000 soldiers so that four
40:49
trucks that you that you see if you have the pictures contained
40:55
about 1200 of those 6000 Orland Ukrainian soldiers.
41:00
The remaining being stored in a refrigerated train nearby.
41:07
And so the Russian side essentially instructed informed
41:12
their Ukrainians counterpart that they would be really ready
41:17
to proceed with the transfer. This was last Sunday.
41:24
And so we were somewhat notice put on the notice by the Russian
41:30
Ministry of Defence to get ourself in the brilliance Regent
41:37
so we could document the transfer of of fallen soldiers
41:43
to Ukraine. And incidentally, also the
41:47
retrieval by Russia of its own fallen soldiers, an aspect that
41:52
I will touch on later on. And by the time we got there,
41:56
essentially nothing happened and was dead silence.
42:00
And so the, the officer in charge of the transfer
42:05
essentially attempted to get the Ukrainians to commit to some
42:09
kind of promise to come and retrieve their their, their
42:14
fallen. And basically it was met with
42:18
complete silence. And obviously after a while we
42:23
understood what the configuration was to be like.
42:27
And so we left. Not without, you know, of
42:32
course, filming some of the corpses, which you have to
42:37
understand for some of them, if not most of them, are extremely
42:40
damaged. They've been left sometimes days
42:44
at a time in the kind of Norman's land between the two,
42:49
the two armies exposed to weather conditions, exposed to
42:56
rodents, exposed to stray raging dogs.
43:00
They have been, they have been by and large extremely damaged.
43:05
And it took the Russian, you know, all the latest, most
43:08
advanced forensic technology to identify some of those people.
43:16
And so to the extent there was only 1200, as it was first batch
43:20
of 1200, those were people that were listed, you know, the the
43:25
names, the ranks and were were provided to the Ukrainians.
43:29
So there was no, you know, attempted attempted.
43:35
This was no attempt to to somehow trap or amber rest to
43:39
Ukrainians. But, you know, the idea was also
43:43
to basically provide in accordance with the Geneva
43:48
Convention, you know, a proper Russians would say a Christian
43:52
burials to those people and to bring closure to the families.
43:58
And so to the extent this did not happen, the way it should
44:02
have happened, you know, was was somewhat of a of a of a shock.
44:07
But you know, one has to understand that the Ukrainians
44:10
obviously were surprised by by the the offer the Russians, not
44:18
least of which because of the sheer size of the of the batch.
44:24
And also because this implied that per Ukrainian law, they
44:29
would have to provide compensation, financial
44:32
compensation to the families. And it turns out that the monies
44:37
that were allocated to the Ukrainian authorities, often by
44:42
their Western curators, was dilapidated and disappeared in
44:46
the pockets of the dairy people who were supposed to be putting
44:49
it aside for such events. So this is this is the the, the
44:55
the central reason and of course last but not least the the the
45:01
potential for civil strife in Ukraine to the extent that
45:08
people would realise that despite what followed the
45:11
Murzlinski's has been stating IE that Ukraine suffered a mere
45:18
47,000 losses. This was a figure that he put
45:23
forward back in December 2020. On that point, on that point,
45:27
let's bring that to, we'll bring that up on the screen actually.
45:30
So this, this, this was the last sort of official statement, as
45:34
it were, from the government in Kiev here.
45:37
This is an article in Political Mike from December of 2024.
45:41
And you know what he's saying here.
45:43
And this is their sort of, you know, official number at the
45:45
time, 43,000 Ukrainian soldiers have been killed and 370,000
45:51
wounded. That compares with the alleged
45:54
600,000 Russian dead that they've reported for Russia or
46:00
that Russia's reported on the Ukrainian side.
46:02
So a huge disparity there. And on the compensation side,
46:07
and this is where the scandal gets interesting, there's a lot
46:09
of different estimations. I mean, this is from one source
46:12
we have from Ukrainian website saying that the compensation
46:16
ranges from 2, 170, two, 190,000 per family upwards of you know,
46:21
540,000. I mean that's on the high end.
46:24
The low end I've heard is 50,000 per family.
46:27
There's a lot of different estimations, but based on the
46:30
6000 dead that were to be exchanged here that Ukraine
46:33
didn't want, if you multiply 6000 times $50,000 US, that is
46:39
$300 million. And so a huge disparity there
46:46
in, in, in terms of budgets and what you said, Arno and we'll,
46:50
we'll come back to Arno on this. But so the, the bottom line,
46:55
Arno is there's an incentive here not to report the fallen.
47:00
There's a financial incentive, A, cause the money's gone and B,
47:03
they just don't want to, wouldn't want to pay it out
47:05
anyway. So they made this promise to
47:07
sell the war, to sell conscription, to sell
47:11
participation in this fight. And the families generally would
47:15
accept it if they knew there was a huge compensation payout at
47:19
the end. And now we see evidence that
47:22
Ukraine doesn't want to pay the compensation.
47:24
And that to me is a huge scandal because there's a financial
47:28
incentive to downplaying the casualty numbers and not
47:32
reporting official dead reporting them, quote, as
47:36
missing. Is that how Ukraine is managing
47:39
this? Yes, pretty much.
47:42
This is what's called a, an illusory promises.
47:45
Basically, you're trying to entice people to sign up.
47:50
I mean, we've seen those scenes of young people, you know, male
47:59
and less young people being literally snatched out on the
48:03
streets of Ukraine. But the, the idea initially was
48:07
that, yes, there would be a financial incentive for you to
48:09
sign up. And to the extent you were to
48:12
fall defending your country, your family would benefit from a
48:18
substantial financial compensation package.
48:21
And obviously, you know, Kiev is trying to have it's cake and eat
48:25
it too. And this is actually yes, the,
48:28
the, the, the central issue here that, and also it's also a
48:33
public relation disaster waiting to happen because some of the
48:37
Kiev senior officials have gone on record trying to minimise the
48:43
level of casualties. And if we go, if the 6000 is any
48:47
indication to go by and, and I basically suspect that the
48:53
Russians have a lot more in, in storage in their own morgues.
48:58
And that this would be interesting because since
49:00
Sunday, yesterday, Wednesday, you know, for actually for, for
49:06
chance, Boudanov kept his word. They, they, they actually
49:10
retrieved their dead and they provided the Russian with 27 of
49:14
their fallen. So you've got a ratio of one for
49:17
45, essentially 27 Russian bodies versus 12112 Ukrainian
49:25
bodies. That's a snapshot of this
49:29
conflict at the current time, at the T moment.
49:32
And it does not look remotely consistent with what Kiev has
49:38
been saying all along. So this is to me, this is a bomb
49:42
waiting to explore. Some people, military historians
49:46
and or observers of various conflict have often pointed out
49:50
to key battles as the turning point of the war.
49:53
I personally think this could be the, the, the which we call it
49:58
the the dam that once it's it's cracked open would more
50:04
basically, you know, put Kiev into such a defensive against
50:10
the wall position that this could really unravel, make
50:14
everything unravel for the Kiev regime.
50:17
Arno, a question for me on this. You were talking about
50:21
potentially 45 to one in terms of casualty numbers.
50:25
What I was interested to see if you had any insight on was, is
50:28
that because actually that's representative of what's
50:31
happening on the battlefield? Or is it the case that actually
50:34
the Russians are being much more careful about how they handle
50:38
the injured and the dead? On, on the, you know, of, of
50:42
Ukrainians and the Ukrainians are of Russians?
50:44
Is it, Is it? Perhaps the the Ukrainians is a
50:46
part of it, at least that the Ukrainians are treating the dead
50:49
with disrespect. Yes, that's actually a very good
50:55
question, Mike. The Ukrainians have known, not
50:59
been known to, you know, try to preserve human life by and
51:03
large, IE this war being characterised as a human meat
51:09
grinder. Whereas the Russians, you know,
51:13
and there's been a lot that's been reported about how when
51:18
Pregorjean was alive, you know, it would basically, you know,
51:21
get those convicts, you know, out in the battlefield.
51:25
And that would somehow be, you know, kind of used as a way to
51:32
reach military objectives in a way that could be sold to the
51:38
Russian public to the extent those people were, by and large,
51:41
people living and leading bad lines.
51:45
But the Russians, by and large, and that includes the Wagner
51:49
PMC, always took great care of making sure everybody was well
51:54
equipped and not sent into reckless military manoeuvres.
52:00
Whereas on the Ukrainian side, it's more, you know, since the
52:03
war is being waged more on the PR level, as long as they
52:08
somehow plug the proverbial holes within, you know, along
52:12
the front lines, it doesn't really matter whether or not
52:17
conscripts are being cared for to the same extent that you
52:21
would expect. And Arno, that is an excellent
52:25
point. In addition, Arno, we have the
52:28
German, the Germans were accepting some of the Ukrainian
52:31
debt into their, what I would probably think is a bigger, well
52:35
funded, better resourced morgue facility and they invoiced the
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Ukrainian government. And our our understanding is
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that the Ukrainian government didn't want to pay the invoice
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to the German morgue. I mean, that came out this week
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as well. Can just briefly quickly I want
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to get on to the Red Cross, but quickly.
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Can you verify if that's true or not?
52:56
Well, so far this story hasn't BeenVerified.
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Those are the story that you're alluding to is a Polish language
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publication on the Polish Telegram channel which alluded
53:09
to a Danish MP saying that essentially the bodies that
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Russia held in which Ukraine was somewhat obligated to to attend
53:22
to would be shipped over to European based morgues.
53:27
But in order to do so, Kiev would have to basically pay for
53:32
the service, which they were not able to do.
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And so this Danish MPs was basically saying, you know, to
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the extent we're not getting a bet for the for the service,
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maybe it's going to have to handle it.
53:47
So just to be. Kind of like yes, it remains to
53:52
be confirmed. OK, yeah.
53:54
And, and just just to just to confirm very important point,
53:57
Arno brought up all the names and this of of the Ukrainians
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have been confirmed by Ukraine. The the list that Russia
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provided was accepted and validated by Ukraine.
54:08
So it wasn't as if they had questions over whether these
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were their soldiers or not. That was agreed upon then they
54:14
just refused to accept the body. Now, this isn't, this brings up
54:17
an interesting international law and and human rights dilemma,
54:21
which Arno will be able to briefly comment on before we go,
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but we'll bring this up. And this was tweeted actually
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Mike, in May 15th by the Ukrainian Red Cross committee of
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all people and basically saying the Geneva Conventions preserve
54:37
our humanity during war. And there's two parts of this
54:40
list that I want to bring to our attention.
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The 1st is the dead deserve dignity.
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And again, this is the International Red Cross and here
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we are. The other one is families know
54:52
the fate of missing loved ones. And so I think these are two
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very pertinent, important points.
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Briefly, Arnold, because we only have a a minute or two left, but
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I thought that was interesting. And, and I believe you've also
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contacted the Red Cross committee for comment on this
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very issue. Have they replied to your query
55:13
yet? But go ahead briefly, Arnold.
55:17
Well, they haven't replied specifically, but obviously to
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the extent they were present at the site yesterday, they took
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this calling them out on on Twitter quite seriously.
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And I called them out but once, but twice.
55:30
But what's interesting, and I believe that this is only the
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beginning, this exchange yesterday set a precedent and to
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the extent I think Russia has again, 10s of thousands more of
55:41
those bodies, this is going to become a situation where there's
55:45
no turning back. What would be the justification
55:48
now? Russia will continue providing A
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detailed list of the the fallen Ukrainian soldiers that they
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have in in their custody. And so this is again going to be
56:00
as time goes on, this this has opened a breach, so to speak in,
56:06
in this PR stick, you know, of Kiev and, and I I believe we are
56:13
going to be seeing more and more of those of those exchanges to
56:19
to Kiev's dismay. And and this basically brings
56:23
into focus also how the Ukrainian branch of the ICRC has
56:29
has somewhat been extremely non vehement vis a vis Kiev as far
56:35
as prompting them to seek their fallen and this unfortunately
56:42
does not look very good for them.
56:44
That's another scandal within the scandal, Arnold.
56:47
So just here's the article here. The convoy of the dead, Kiev's
56:51
mendacious pretext to disown its own fallen soldiers by Arnold
56:56
Devilay. Arnold, I want to thank you for
56:59
bringing us the story. Also for providing the video
57:03
clips as well. But we really appreciate it.
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Thank you for coming on the UK column.
57:11
And as yet still no word from the Red Cross committee in
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Ukraine. So if we do get any answer from
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them, of course we'll share that with you on another programme.
57:20
Yes, OK. Thank you, Patrick now and thank
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you to Arno as well for joining us once again.
57:24
Mark, let's come back to you. And well, Bilderberg, not the
57:29
only meeting taking place at the moment, Dutchie Foundation also
57:32
holding a meeting. What's going on with them?
57:39
The sense that some of us may have heard vaguely of the
57:42
Digitally Foundation, but it turns out they're quite busy
57:45
along the same ideological lines as Bilderberg and the Trilateral
57:49
Commission. They're the most open of the
57:52
three digitally being the most open trilateral in between
57:55
Bilderberg, the most secretive and a quick other footnote
57:59
Digitally, which is meeting right now as we speak, even
58:02
while Bilderberg is meeting in Sweden and digitally is meeting
58:06
as his slide shows, the 12th through the 14th of June.
58:09
So they actually started yesterday and their topic is
58:13
renewing democracy, how to strengthen democratic resilience
58:16
and out compete authoritarianism in Europe.
58:21
So another noted aspect of digitally is they they're a one
58:25
topic shop. Every time they meet is just one
58:28
topic, as opposed to the multiple topics of those other
58:31
two groups. And another quick footnote is
58:33
there's an American Digitally Foundation founded in 1964, the
58:38
original in the UK founded 1958, only four years after
58:42
Bilderberg, and the Canadian Digitally Foundation 1981.
58:47
Now there's a couple slides here that show their upcoming topics
58:51
because digitally, it turns out, meets 6, maybe 7 * a year in
58:57
September. The next topic is Indo Pacific
58:59
strategy deterrence in its diplomatic and economic context.
59:03
In October. Energy security and climate
59:06
action get this, making climate action politically deliverable.
59:11
So they, they are absolute religious believers in the
59:14
common climate change narrative. They've got to make it fit.
59:18
They've got to force fit this thing, a couple other programmes
59:22
this coming November. How can Europe pay for and
59:25
organise the defence it needs? A lot can be drawn from that.
59:30
And this coming December, just like they did a year ago, the
59:34
role of the new 4th estate in renewing democracy.
59:39
And what's interesting there, and this is one of the
59:41
highlights, is besides trying to make the climate change thing
59:45
work no matter what, these guys at Ditchley, many familiar
59:49
faces, some not so familiar, they believe that the legacy
59:53
media must be salvage. It must be revived,
59:56
resuscitated, whatever they can do, restored.
59:59
There's no room for actual real Free Press, real news
1:00:04
alternatives. They're going to move heaven and
1:00:06
earth. Maybe it's philanthropic
1:00:08
funding, maybe it's not. They're looking at all the
1:00:10
different models to try and salvage and resuscitate.
1:00:14
The slowly dying legacy media. So that's high in their agenda
1:00:18
in fact and we can show the the next slide.
1:00:21
Another thing different about Ditchley is they pretty much
1:00:25
unless otherwise announced, they meet at the same place and
1:00:28
that's the Ditchley Park Estate in Oxfordshire.
1:00:31
Not exactly a falling down shanty there that they that they
1:00:35
meet in some very, very amazing grounds are around that that
1:00:39
home. Anyway, looking ahead on that
1:00:42
media note, and they put a lot of emphasis on media.
1:00:47
This is this next slide in fact fits into that narrative.
1:00:51
As I mentioned, this coming December is just like last
1:00:53
December. And here's what they did last
1:00:55
December. The role of the 4th estate in
1:00:57
democracies. How should the news and
1:00:59
information ecosystem evolve to develop resilience and meet
1:01:03
audience needs in a turbulent political, technological and
1:01:08
commercial landscape? And this that that was last
1:01:15
December and then this past February was great British
1:01:18
growth. How do we take the U KS economy
1:01:20
forward in a period of geopolitical competition?
1:01:24
And I'll have some links in the show notes where people can read
1:01:26
more in depth because one thing about digitally is that they
1:01:30
they report much more after the fact in detail than Bilderberg
1:01:34
would ever think about and a little bit more than trilateral.
1:01:38
But one major announcement before we finish up just some
1:01:41
very brief miscellaneous things is Digitally is planning to run
1:01:44
an expanded media programme in the near future with generous
1:01:49
support from the MacArthur Foundation, a very noted
1:01:52
supporter of public television in the US.
1:01:56
This will be framed around 4 anchor events planned to take
1:01:59
place at Digitally London, also in New York and at Digitally
1:02:04
Park and in Germany. And so they're, they're really
1:02:08
expanding on a solidifying and expanding their support for the
1:02:13
the dominant media to keep their interests and their profits and
1:02:16
their plans into place. They don't want any actual
1:02:19
independent voices out there. And just to wind this up, the
1:02:23
director who shows up in pretty much all the listings, the
1:02:26
overall director of the Ditchley Foundation is a rather familiar
1:02:29
face. James Arroyo, previous director
1:02:32
for data at the British Foreign and Commonwealth Office.
1:02:36
And we'll move on from there and just go through some
1:02:39
miscellaneous things. Casimir Yost was 1 Bilderberg
1:02:43
connection from Bilderberg to Ditchley.
1:02:46
He's 1 of 32 of Ditchley's American branch members.
1:02:51
He was one of the six ever honorary American secretary
1:02:55
generals at Bilderberg. And he's also, of course, very
1:02:58
active at Ditchley. But Bilderberg abandoned that
1:03:01
position. There are no more honorary
1:03:03
American secretary generals there.
1:03:06
Then we also have within Ditchley's organisation, we have
1:03:08
the Council of Management. Members include BBC reporter
1:03:14
James Landale in the Council of Management, Robert Wills, an
1:03:18
apparent descendant of the founders to Ditchley, Glasgow
1:03:21
Foundation president Marjorie and Glasgow.
1:03:25
So they have 11 members and that group, the Council of Management
1:03:29
is going to meet in July, I believe July 16th.
1:03:32
Some other conflicts of interests and curiosities.
1:03:35
This is Steven Erlinger, the chief diplomatic correspondent
1:03:38
in Europe for The New York Times.
1:03:40
He's actually a member of the Ditchley Foundation.
1:03:43
Governors talk about a conflict of interest for reporters, and
1:03:47
they're having an annual meeting coming up the 24th of September.
1:03:52
Some others on that list include John Sowers, who's also at
1:03:55
Bilderberg. So that's another Ditchley
1:03:57
Bilderberg connection. And lastly, digitally just
1:04:00
opened up a New London pad, another London outlet and it is
1:04:06
at 1 Saint James Square and 110th of a mile away at 10 Saint
1:04:10
James Square is Chatham House itself.
1:04:13
So birds of a feather flock together, but this is another
1:04:16
group to keep on our radar from here on out guys.
1:04:19
So very interesting stuff I've. Been to 1 Saint James square.
1:04:23
I know, I know exactly where that is.
1:04:26
Very posh address. Yes, indeed, Thank you very much
1:04:29
for that. We will be reporting much more
1:04:31
on that I'm quite sure in the future.
1:04:32
Thank you, Mark, thank you Patrick.
1:04:35
Things kicking off again between Israel and Iran as we're on the
1:04:39
programme, undoubtedly we'd be talking about that an extra in a
1:04:42
couple of minutes time. So do join us if you're UK
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column member. If you're not, please consider
1:04:47
joining because you're missing a lot.
1:04:49
But otherwise, have a great weekend and we'll be back at
1:04:53
1:00 PM on Monday as usual. Well, if you remember, see you
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in a couple of minutes for extra.
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See you then. Bye bye.