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Matt Zukowski's Shocking First Date · Outspoken the Podcast

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Speaker 1: Hello and welcome to Outspoken. It's your dose of the
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Speaker 1: hottest influencer and pop culture news twice a week. I'm
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Speaker 1: Sophie Torber and coming up on today's show, Matt Zukowski's
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Speaker 1: shocking first date. The nominees for the 2025 TikTok Awards
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Speaker 1: are unveiled and Molly May admits to having ongoing trust
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Speaker 1: issues in her relationships. But first, Chloe Zepp has revealed
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Speaker 1: her son's pet snake has gone missing. The OG influencer
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Speaker 1: joked her house was for sale after the python escaped
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Speaker 1: from the garage earlier this week. I feel on edge
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Speaker 1: just thinking about this situation. It's not even my house.
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Speaker 1: The snake in question is fortunately not venomous though, but
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Speaker 1: is known to bite. So this thing's already bitten the children. Well,
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Speaker 1: it has. Awkwardly, Chloe and Mitch revealed, I think it
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Speaker 1: was last month, that the snake had bitten Artie. So
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Speaker 1: they got it for Artie's fifth birthday and they documented
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Speaker 1: the moment where they surprised him with the snake. Now,
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Speaker 1: just to refresh your memories, he's five years old. And
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Speaker 1: as someone who hates snakes, this freaked me out. So
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Speaker 1: Mitch came in with this little bag with the snake
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Speaker 1: in it. And you could tell Chloe was ultra uncomfortable.
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Speaker 1: She even said she was a little bit scared. And
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Speaker 1: then he gets Artie to pick the snake out of
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Speaker 1: the bag while his little brother, Sonny, is screaming and
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Speaker 1: carrying on. I'm like, surely this is not good for
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Speaker 1: the snake. I assume that this snake is going to
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Speaker 1: appear in the family's new YouTube channel because they recently
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Speaker 1: announced that they're going to have an adventure YouTube account. Well,
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Speaker 1: maybe they're documenting this whole thing. I mean, the snake
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Speaker 1: can't really be in the channel if it's gone missing
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Speaker 1: because Chloe said she had searched everywhere for Firebolt, that's
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Speaker 1: its name, and it was nowhere to be seen. Do
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Speaker 1: you reckon this snake's really gone missing or maybe Chloe
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Speaker 1: and Mitch have got rid of it? Well, the snake
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Speaker 1: didn't really look happy living in their house because Mitch
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Speaker 1: shared this clip of Artie wanting to say goodnight to it.
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Speaker 1: And he got this little set of keys out to
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Speaker 1: open the door to give it a pat or something.
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Speaker 1: And Mitch zoomed up and the snake was literally posed
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Speaker 1: to strike. And Artie was like, oh, he doesn't, he's
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Speaker 1: all coiled up. I don't think I should pat him.
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Speaker 1: I'm thinking, oh my God, don't pat him at all. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I think if this was my child's pet, I'd be like, oh, sorry.
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Speaker 1: They've gone off to live at a farm somewhere far,
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Speaker 1: far away because, oh, my God, I couldn't think of
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Speaker 1: anything worse. I mean, it's not ideal that the snake
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Speaker 1: is just loose in the house now. Like, God knows
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Speaker 1: what it's plotting.
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Speaker 2: Good morning, Anna. We're just having some off-air chats which
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Speaker 2: can stay off-air. Where's your head up?
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Speaker 1: Matt Sikowski has hosed down speculation that he's moved on
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Speaker 1: from his ex-wife, Tammy Hembrough, confirming on his podcast that
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Speaker 1: he's still single. The revelation comes less than two weeks
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Speaker 1: after a photo of him on a date in Adelaide
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Speaker 1: went viral. Kate, it seems like Matt was left just
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Speaker 1: as surprised as everyone else by the hard launch. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: it's pretty awkward because it turns out that he and
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Speaker 1: Adelaide girl Emily Lawson were on a first date. So
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Speaker 1: to refresh everyone's memories, the internet went into overdrive when
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Speaker 1: photos emerged of Matt doing a mirror selfie in front
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Speaker 1: of an elevator with normie Emily. Now, it was actually
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Speaker 1: Emily who posted the selfie to her public Instagram story
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Speaker 1: alongside photos of their dinner and also a video of
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Speaker 1: fireworks from a rooftop bar. Influencer Updates AU first broke
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Speaker 1: the story after receiving a tip off from someone who
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Speaker 1: saw Emily's story. And it was pretty clear that Emily
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Speaker 1: and her friends were very excited to be part of
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Speaker 1: the influencer goss. Heaps of them were commenting on subsequent
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Speaker 1: social media stories about it and tagging Emily. We reckon
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Speaker 1: that Emily sent it in herself. Well, I feel like
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Speaker 1: the more I hear about it, it could be a possibility.
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Speaker 1: I mean, who takes a picture together on the first date?
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Speaker 1: I'm putting it out there. I have never, ever taken
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Speaker 1: a photo on a first date. I wouldn't take a
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Speaker 1: photo with someone until we were official, and I definitely
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Speaker 1: wouldn't be posting it all over Instagram. I mean, this
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Speaker 1: wasn't a little soft launch where maybe you post that
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Speaker 1: you're out and about and you have their arm in
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Speaker 1: the shot. This was a full-blown selfie with him.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: I mean, I thought the same thing about it being
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Speaker 1: weird taking a photo on the first date, but according
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Speaker 1: to Matt's co-host, Anna McAvoy, she thinks it's quite normal,
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Speaker 1: and she said that she always takes a photo on
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Speaker 1: the first date just in case they end up together.
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Speaker 1: She actually has one from her first date with her husband, Michael. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: but there's also a difference between taking a photo and
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Speaker 1: also making that photo public. One, it would be embarrassing
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Speaker 1: for the person you're on the date with to see
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Speaker 1: said photo on your Instagram because it's like you're telling everyone, oh, look,
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Speaker 1: we're dating. And secondly, when the person has a public
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Speaker 1: profile and they've only just broken up with their wife,
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Speaker 1: you think you might be a bit careful about sharing that.
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Speaker 1: It seems like a bit of clout chasing is going on.
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Speaker 1: I think you're right. I mean, initially when I saw it,
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Speaker 1: I was like, oh, okay, the fact that Emily Lawson
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Speaker 1: felt confident enough to upload the photo. I was like,
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Speaker 1: surely this is something quite serious, not a first date.
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Speaker 1: He's come out to see her in Adelaide, you know,
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Speaker 1: they're doing long distance or something. But listening to Matt,
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Speaker 1: I got the vibe that it was a first and
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Speaker 1: last date and I don't really blame him. I would
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Speaker 1: probably be questioning someone's motives if they did that on
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Speaker 1: a first date. Well, on a recent podcast he was on,
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Speaker 1: he was asked about how he finds dating now that
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Speaker 1: he has a public profile and whether he has to
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Speaker 1: be careful about people using him for fame. evidently it
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Speaker 1: sounds like he does have to be a bit more careful.
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Speaker 1: It would be strange for Matt to be on the
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Speaker 1: other side of things now because Tammy Hembrough basically called
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Speaker 1: him a clout chaser herself on a podcast interview last week. So,
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Speaker 1: you know, it seems to come around in full circles.
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Speaker 1: Listening to the podcast, it was clear that Matt had
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Speaker 1: had this massive debrief off mic about the whole situation
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Speaker 1: with Anna because he said he's been dropping bombs off air.
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Speaker 1: I'm very sad that they edited those conversations out because
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Speaker 1: I would have loved to hear them In terms of
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Speaker 1: what they did share on air about the situation, you
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Speaker 1: could tell Anna was completely shocked when the photos emerged.
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Speaker 1: Let's take a listen to what she said.
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Speaker 2: We need to talk. Yeah, right.
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Speaker 3: Because me, the sleep-deprived mum, was just looking on my phone.
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Speaker 3: I think I'm pretty sure it was in the middle
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Speaker 3: of the night and I hadn't been on my phone
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Speaker 3: like the day before. And then all of a sudden
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Speaker 3: I see so much smoke. garbage on the internet i'm
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Speaker 3: just gonna call it garbage yeah and everyone's like that's
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Speaker 3: hard launch.
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Speaker 1: Excuse me what wait i know that you were in
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Speaker 1: adelaide i know that you were going on a first
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Speaker 1: date how have we gone from you telling me you're
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Speaker 1: going on a first date to now there's a hard
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Speaker 1: launch out.
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Speaker 2: There yeah i yeah i was shook as well i
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Speaker 2: actually woke up and saw that i that as well
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Speaker 2: and i was like hang on wait what i was
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Speaker 2: i didn't hard launch anyone um No. So I was
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Speaker 2: in Adelaide on getting some business done. And while I
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Speaker 2: was there, I was like, I'll catch up with a friend.
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Speaker 2: So we went out for dinner. Really nice. Adelaide's actually
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Speaker 2: a really nice place. It's beautiful.
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Speaker 1: A little bit off track, but it was really nice
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Speaker 1: to hear both Matt and Anna talk so glowingly of Adelaide.
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Speaker 1: It was quite rare from Victorians. It is. I related
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Speaker 1: to Anna saying that she's going through a four-month regression
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Speaker 1: at the moment, and it took her days to even
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Speaker 1: see the news of this hard launch happen. And in
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Speaker 1: the midst of a late night wake up call, she
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Speaker 1: saw it. It sort of reminded me of when I
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Speaker 1: first saw the news of Taylor Swift and Travis Kelsey
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Speaker 1: getting together only because I was up at 3am to
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Speaker 1: see that news be broken live. She was a bit
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Speaker 1: later to it, the story though.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: It seems like with newborn schedules, you're either the first
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Speaker 1: or last to hear about this type of pop culture news.
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Speaker 1: I'd love to know the conversation Matt had with his date, Emily,
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Speaker 1: after her Instagram story made headlines. I'm guessing he thought
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Speaker 1: she was never going to post it because he explained
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Speaker 1: that the photo got snapped while he and Emily were
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Speaker 1: waiting at the lifts to go to the second rooftop
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Speaker 1: bar that they had visited. Anna did make a bit
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Speaker 1: of a dig saying that that photo should have been
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Speaker 1: kept on her close friends list, which I tend to agree.
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Speaker 1: It was clear that Matt wanted to clear things up
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Speaker 1: and let the world know that he's single. This is
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Speaker 1: what he said.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I woke up the next day and we'd hard launched.
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Speaker 1: LAUGHTER Which is not the case.
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Speaker 2: Not the case at all. But yeah, it was pretty
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Speaker 2: funny to see.
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Speaker 1: So she just put it in her story and then
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Speaker 1: it got taken.
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Speaker 2: Got taken. And yeah. No, people work fast in this industry.
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Speaker 2: They see something and they run with it and it
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Speaker 2: gets legs. And look, I'm actually going to say I
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Speaker 2: really appreciate some of the kind messages I got about it.
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Speaker 2: But sorry, guys.
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Speaker 3: Still single.
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Speaker 2: Still single. It was not that at all. But very
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Speaker 2: nice girl as well. Very nice.
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Speaker 1: Had a nice day. I wonder if Matt's got a
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Speaker 1: few girls on the roster who were like, what the fuck,
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Speaker 1: when they saw the photo. I feel like that would
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Speaker 1: be a big motivator to clear the rumors up. I
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Speaker 1: also think in terms of how he's faring since the divorce,
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Speaker 1: as we've touched on before, he has this new puppy
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Speaker 1: dog energy about him. People seem to be liking Matt.
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Speaker 1: He's receiving a lot of apologies. And he probably wants
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Speaker 1: to not look like he's moved on too quick and
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Speaker 1: is mindful of that. Yeah, well, in yesterday's episode of
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Speaker 1: Where's Your Head At, they're doing this thing where they dissect,
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Speaker 1: and I use that term loosely, some headlines. And one
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Speaker 1: of the headlines they chose to discuss was one about
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Speaker 1: Matt caught out crying after Tammy was found to be
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Speaker 1: the ambassador for Tinder. And he's like, oh my God,
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Speaker 1: this is completely false. I actually was crying because I
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Speaker 1: watched a movie about a golden retriever. And he was saying,
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Speaker 1: I definitely was not crying about Tammy Hembrough. So He
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Speaker 1: seems more and more comfortable to talk about the situation.
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Speaker 1: I mean, he didn't name it. They just kept saying
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Speaker 1: his ex-wife, but I think it is only a matter
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Speaker 1: of time before we hear a full breakdown of what's
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Speaker 1: going on. Guys, did I mention that I've been nominated
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Speaker 1: for TikTok creator of the year? The nominees for the
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Speaker 1: 2025 TikTok creator of the year are in and Tammy
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Speaker 1: Hembrough is the front runner. Did that surprise you? It Yeah,
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Speaker 1: because I don't really think of her as being a
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Speaker 1: TikToker as such. I just think of her as being
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Speaker 1: an all-round influencer, if that makes sense. I think that
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Speaker 1: on TikTok there's a lot of different niches and she's
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Speaker 1: just sort of a personality, if that makes sense.
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Speaker 2: Sense.
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Speaker 1: I get what you mean, but she does have over
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Speaker 1: 2 million followers on the platform and she posts very
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Speaker 1: different content than she does on Instagram. I mean, she
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Speaker 1: didn't even post her divorce announcement on Instagram. That was
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Speaker 1: purely on TikTok. Yeah, but when you think about people
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Speaker 1: who've won in the past, like Anna Paul or Indi Clinton,
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Speaker 1: they've really made a name for themselves on TikTok through
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Speaker 1: sharing everyday vlogs, whereas she made a name for herself
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Speaker 1: obviously on Instagram 10, 15 years ago. Yeah, but in
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Speaker 1: saying that, having a big following on Instagram doesn't promise
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Speaker 1: you a big following on TikTok. There are so many creators,
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Speaker 1: just off the top of my head, Sarah's Day, Steph
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Speaker 1: Clare Smith, who do not have the same following that
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Speaker 1: they do on TikTok as they do on Instagram. In
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Speaker 1: saying that, I suppose Tammy has around 17, 18 million
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Speaker 1: followers on Instagram and only 2 million on TikTok. But
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Speaker 1: I think her videos are cutting through. I mean, they
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Speaker 1: get millions and millions of views. Yeah, well, as you said, Kate,
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Speaker 1: she always seems to be dropping bombs on there. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I mean, I think she's definitely going to win this
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Speaker 1: award just looking at her following against the other nominees.
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Speaker 1: The only one I'm actually familiar with is Letitia Clark.
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Speaker 1: Her mum is Kat Clark, who won the award three
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Speaker 1: years ago. But I think Tammy is a definite shoe in.
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Speaker 1: It is voted on by the public and she's already
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Speaker 1: put the call out on her Instagram page saying you
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Speaker 1: can vote once a day. I wonder though if some
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Speaker 1: of the smaller creators... have more of an invested community
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Speaker 1: of people who want to see them do well. Quite often,
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Speaker 1: people don't really want to see the big dog win.
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Speaker 1: And Tammy feels like the big dog in this situation. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: but I think TikTok probably want her to win. And
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Speaker 1: of course, they're in charge of the algorithm. So her
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Speaker 1: video promoting the link to vote for her might appear
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Speaker 1: to a lot more people than the other nominees. Who knows?
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Speaker 1: But I definitely think we'll see her accepting the award.
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Speaker 1: It's interesting. It was only a couple of weeks ago
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Speaker 1: that Indy Clinton opened up about that viral moment of
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Speaker 1: her and Anna Paul presenting Creator of the Year. It
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Speaker 1: was an absolute schmuzzle. So for those who missed it,
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Speaker 1: let's throw to it.
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Speaker 3: Of 2024.
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Speaker 2: TikTok-a-whiz.
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Speaker 1: Okay. It is... Ready to go! There were absolute crickets after,
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Speaker 1: weren't there? It was all very awkward. And Indy opened
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Speaker 1: up about the experience on the Happy Hour podcast with
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Speaker 1: Lucy and Nikki a couple of weeks ago. And it
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Speaker 1: turns out that Anna Paul had been chosen over Indy
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Speaker 1: to present the award. And that was despite the fact
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Speaker 1: that Indy won the year prior. So as the winner,
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Speaker 1: you then get the honor of presenting the new winner
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Speaker 1: with their award. Yeah, Indy said she'd been looking forward
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Speaker 1: to having that moment on stage. And she was actually
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Speaker 1: one of the hosts of the awards alongside Robert Irwin
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Speaker 1: and Kat Clark. And so last minute, it seems like
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Speaker 1: the event organizers were like, okay, you can go on
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Speaker 1: stage with Anna Paul. Reading between the lines, it seems
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Speaker 1: like Anna Paul dropped past the rehearsals briefly for around 10,
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Speaker 1: 15 minutes, but that wasn't long enough for them to
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Speaker 1: actually rehearse the moment. Indy had been there all day.
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Speaker 1: So minutes before the award was presented, Indy was like
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Speaker 1: quickly whispering to Anna, like, let's make it more dramatic,
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Speaker 1: add pauses. but Anna ended up reading straight from the autocue.
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Speaker 1: Do you reckon the indie feels safe now to tell
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Speaker 1: that story considering the huge cancellation of Anna Paul this year?
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Speaker 1: Because before she was seen as the sweetheart of TikTok
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Speaker 1: and people would have come for her to hear anything negative. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I definitely think so. I mean, it was actually at
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Speaker 1: the 2024 TikTok awards that the crack started appearing for
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Speaker 1: Anna Paul. Remember she was on the red carpet and
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Speaker 1: she said this really tone deaf comment when they asked
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Speaker 1: her like, Who would you want to be? Like, what
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Speaker 1: creator would you want to be? And she's like, oh,
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Speaker 1: someone that has lots of money and flies around the world.
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Speaker 1: I'm like, isn't that you already? I wonder if she's
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Speaker 1: actually going to show up this year. It could be
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Speaker 1: a bit of a rebranding exercise for her.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Well, we have to wait until Wednesday, the 26th of
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Speaker 1: November to see if that happens. The awards are being
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Speaker 1: hosted in Sydney. This year, Sophie Monk is the host.
13:52
Speaker 1: She is about to start hosting Love Island Australia. Are
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Speaker 1: you going to watch that? I'm not really a big
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Speaker 1: fan of the Aussie version. I prefer to watch the
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Speaker 1: UK Love Island. That being said, the UK version has
14:03
Speaker 1: been pretty disappointing in recent years. And a lot of
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Speaker 1: people sent us DMs saying, oh my God, last year
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Speaker 1: the Australian version was epic. You need to watch it
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Speaker 1: again this year. Hang on. Love Island this year was
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Speaker 1: really good. What are you talking about? It wasn't as good. Yes,
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Speaker 1: it was. I don't think it was. To be fair,
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Speaker 1: it was a little bit better. But I've watched so
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Speaker 1: many all-stars which have been disappointing. Yeah, they're not good. Look,
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Speaker 1: I actually feel like it's a moment for you to
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Speaker 1: eat your words because a couple of weeks ago, you
14:28
Speaker 1: were absolutely ripping into me about watching The Block. You're
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Speaker 1: finally watching it and are loving it. Yeah, it's my
14:34
Speaker 1: relaxation show now. Brandon and I, as soon as Luke
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Speaker 1: has been put to bed, we quickly put The Block
14:38
Speaker 1: on for a couple of hours because we have all
14:41
Speaker 1: of the episodes to catch up on. I'm so jealous.
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Speaker 1: I love it. I haven't watched free-to-air television for a while.
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Speaker 1: And yes, it can be a bit overproduced and dramatic,
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Speaker 1: but It's sort of the trash that I need at
14:53
Speaker 1: the moment. And I kind of like, it sounds weird,
14:55
Speaker 1: but I like that it's got ads because you've got
14:57
Speaker 1: your time where you can be on your phone and
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Speaker 1: then you can put it back down. I'm really interested
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Speaker 1: to see how the block auctions go on Sunday night
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Speaker 1: because my dad, who also watches it, was telling me
15:07
Speaker 1: that there are some whispers that the houses aren't going
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Speaker 1: to sell. Because they're just far too expensive for the
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Speaker 1: Daylesford market. Maybe we'll have to do a full block recap.
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Speaker 1: Look at me absolutely eating my words here now.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: So many people messaged us saying that they love it.
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Speaker 1: So I was like, oh, okay, maybe I have to
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Speaker 1: give it a go. Yeah, I'm going to put it
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Speaker 1: out there. If the houses end up selling, I'm tipping
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Speaker 1: Brit and Taz for the win.
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Speaker 2: It's just this like shadow of the past that will
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Speaker 2: always just, sounds really deep, but like kind of come
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Speaker 2: back and like haunt us a bit.
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Speaker 1: The second series of Molly Mae's docuseries, Behind It All,
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Speaker 1: has shone a light on the current state of her
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Speaker 1: relationship with boxer Tommy Fury. Whilst the couple rekindled their
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Speaker 1: relationship earlier this year, the UK influencer admits she has
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Speaker 1: ongoing trust issues and is haunted by ghosts of the past.
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Speaker 1: Before we dive into that, Soph, I want to hear
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Speaker 1: your thoughts on the docuseries as a whole. I loved
15:57
Speaker 1: every second of this. I don't think it will surprise anyone.
15:59
Speaker 1: As a Molly Mae stan, I couldn't get enough of it.
16:03
Speaker 1: It was this real cross between a fly on the
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Speaker 1: wall reality show and a documentary series. I think that
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Speaker 1: they managed to get that cozy day-to-day vibe that Molly
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Speaker 1: has in her vlogs whilst also having just the right
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Speaker 1: level of drama and conflict to get you hooked. I
16:17
Speaker 1: feel like a terrible Molly Mae fan because I need
16:19
Speaker 1: to call myself out. I actually haven't watched a single
16:22
Speaker 1: second of it. I've seen a few reviews of it
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Speaker 1: on TikTok and people have been saying, oh, it's no good.
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Speaker 1: Like she's not likable. She's really out of touch. And
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Speaker 1: that's rattled me because I'm like, I loved the first
16:34
Speaker 1: series of it. And I've actually been waiting to make
16:36
Speaker 1: a bit of a night of it and watch it
16:37
Speaker 1: with some nice snacks. I just haven't had that moment
16:40
Speaker 1: so far. Yeah, but this show was literally made for
16:43
Speaker 1: Molly Mae Stans. It wasn't made for the critics. And
16:46
Speaker 1: I think that people are being particularly critical of it
16:48
Speaker 1: now that it won, or the previous series won an award.
16:51
Speaker 1: I think also because it's a docu-series, like people are
16:54
Speaker 1: taking it too seriously and like, oh, this isn't a
16:57
Speaker 1: David Attenborough documentary. It's like, no, it's just behind the
17:00
Speaker 1: scenes of her life. Like it's a documentary of her life.
17:03
Speaker 1: It's sort of an elevated version of her vlogs because
17:06
Speaker 1: it does really show her day-to-day life. And it really
17:09
Speaker 1: goes into her experiences with motherhood and also her business ventures.
17:14
Speaker 1: And of course, the ups and downs of her relationship
17:16
Speaker 1: with Tommy, which everyone wanted to find out about. See,
17:19
Speaker 1: I think there's not as much hype about this series
17:22
Speaker 1: as there was the first series because There was still
17:24
Speaker 1: a lot of question marks about the status of Tommy
17:26
Speaker 1: and Molly's relationship, whereas we now know they're back together.
17:31
Speaker 1: And personally, I'm not that interested in Molly's brand, maybe.
17:34
Speaker 1: I like the second series better than the first so far,
17:37
Speaker 1: because I think there was a lot of padding happening
17:40
Speaker 1: with the maybe content. We were expecting to hear a
17:42
Speaker 1: lot about Molly and Tommy's relationship, but instead, we got
17:46
Speaker 1: this whole brand opportunity and the brand pushed down our throats,
17:50
Speaker 1: whereas It feels more organic when the brand has been
17:53
Speaker 1: mentioned so far in these first three episodes. I wonder
17:55
Speaker 1: if it was a case of they filmed all this
17:57
Speaker 1: content that didn't make Tommy look very good. And then
17:59
Speaker 1: suddenly Molly and him got back together and they couldn't
18:02
Speaker 1: use it. Like it didn't make sense in the story arc.
18:04
Speaker 1: It's interesting though, because in this latest series, the relationship
18:08
Speaker 1: with Tommy and Molly doesn't really look very rock solid,
18:11
Speaker 1: does it? Yeah. In this latest series, she hinted that
18:13
Speaker 1: there are continuing trust issues between her and Tommy and
18:17
Speaker 1: And this was made very apparent when she went on
18:19
Speaker 1: a beach holiday to Wales with her best friend and
18:21
Speaker 1: their two kids. So while she was away with Bambi,
18:24
Speaker 1: Tommy was back home in Manchester celebrating the release of
18:27
Speaker 1: his BBC documentary with his mates. And I wonder if
18:30
Speaker 1: Molly purposely went away during the launch of his doco
18:32
Speaker 1: so there weren't heaps of questions about where she was.
18:35
Speaker 1: So she could just say, oh, I've had this pre-booked before.
18:38
Speaker 1: That's why I'm not on the red carpet with him. Well,
18:40
Speaker 1: they did end up having quite an awkward exchange over
18:43
Speaker 1: the phone. Let's throw to that clip. No, it's just frustrating.
18:46
Speaker 1: I just feel like you know things that are going
18:48
Speaker 1: to rile me up, Tommy.
18:49
Speaker 2: You think I don't know you after six years.
18:51
Speaker 1: What are you talking about? I'll speak to you another time.
18:55
Speaker 1: And that's that. Molly ended up hanging up on Tommy
18:59
Speaker 1: and told the cameras that she doesn't want to be
19:01
Speaker 1: a bore and Tommy should be able to do his thing.
19:04
Speaker 1: That gave me the vibe that Tommy has been gaslighting
19:07
Speaker 1: her because... I think she's well within her rights to
19:10
Speaker 1: be nervous about the fact that he's going to be
19:12
Speaker 1: out partying with his friends and there's alcohol around. Because
19:16
Speaker 1: at the end of the last series, while she took
19:18
Speaker 1: him back, there seemed to be really no resolution about
19:21
Speaker 1: his behavior and nothing had seemed to change that much.
19:24
Speaker 1: It was just sort of like, oh, we're back together
19:26
Speaker 1: because we love each other. Well, it was evident that
19:28
Speaker 1: he was on the piss there because she admitted that
19:30
Speaker 1: hearing the word alcohol made her tense. I mean, we
19:32
Speaker 1: didn't actually hear Tommy's side of the conversation. He has
19:36
Speaker 1: only appeared in this documentary once. as a pop-up on FaceTime.
19:39
Speaker 1: He didn't actually appear on camera. Well, I wonder if
19:42
Speaker 1: it's because of his own documentary on the BBC. Maybe
19:45
Speaker 1: they've said you can't appear on the Prime one. Well,
19:48
Speaker 1: it's interesting because a lot of people are reading into this.
19:50
Speaker 1: line that Molly said she said that she's haunted by
19:52
Speaker 1: ghosts of the past now there were a lot of
19:54
Speaker 1: rumors when she and Tommy broke up that he had
19:57
Speaker 1: cheated on her and there was actually also a rumor
19:59
Speaker 1: that he got a girl pregnant now that that was
20:01
Speaker 1: actually bullshit that one But people are saying, well, has
20:04
Speaker 1: he cheated? If you're saying you're being haunted by ghosts
20:06
Speaker 1: of the past and there's these ongoing trust issues. I
20:09
Speaker 1: don't think that you can have a docu-series like this
20:12
Speaker 1: if you're not going to be completely honest about the
20:14
Speaker 1: whole situation. Like, yes, it was very brave of Tommy
20:17
Speaker 1: to share about his issues with alcohol, but I almost
20:20
Speaker 1: feel like it was used as a little bit of
20:21
Speaker 1: an excuse to cover up anything else that has gone
20:24
Speaker 1: down between them because it's clear there are still issues
20:26
Speaker 1: there that haven't been resolved.
20:28
Speaker 2: Yeah.
20:28
Speaker 1: I can see why they haven't wanted to touch on
20:30
Speaker 1: it considering they have got back together though. What was
20:33
Speaker 1: very clear is just how tough this breakup has been
20:36
Speaker 1: on Molly. She said that she suffered panic attacks and
20:38
Speaker 1: made the decision to go on anti-anxiety medication. So she's
20:42
Speaker 1: now on beta blockers, which essentially slow her heart rate
20:45
Speaker 1: down and also lower her blood pressure. Now, a clip
20:48
Speaker 1: of Molly's manager, Fran, has gone viral. Basically, she's giving
20:51
Speaker 1: her a right bollocking about not creating promotional content for
20:55
Speaker 1: a brand, which was pretty surprising because Molly May is
20:57
Speaker 1: one of the UK's biggest influencers, and I think she
21:01
Speaker 1: does brand content very well. Well, this actually happened on
21:04
Speaker 1: the same beach trip. So Molly forgot to bring the
21:06
Speaker 1: product with her. And instead of being upfront with Fran,
21:10
Speaker 1: she actually had previously lied to Fran and said that
21:12
Speaker 1: she'd already shot it. And then she disappeared for three
21:15
Speaker 1: days and didn't answer any of Fran's calls. So as
21:17
Speaker 1: you said, Kate, Fran went ballistic. She is a bit
21:20
Speaker 1: of a ball breaker. She was not happy. they showed
21:23
Speaker 1: her on FaceTime and she told Molly that she'd let
21:26
Speaker 1: people down and that it's not like her. And it
21:29
Speaker 1: was just really awkward. So Molly ended up having to
21:32
Speaker 1: pack up all of their stuff, leave this trip early.
21:36
Speaker 1: And she actually said to the camera crew, look, I
21:37
Speaker 1: know that you want to capture the chaos of us
21:40
Speaker 1: packing everything up, but we're not going to get out
21:42
Speaker 1: of here on time if you don't help. So everyone
21:43
Speaker 1: put the cameras down. But yeah, it did seem a
21:46
Speaker 1: bit out of character for her. And Fran was saying, oh,
21:49
Speaker 1: I'm just worried that you're too burnt out, Molly. You're
21:52
Speaker 1: trying to be the best partner you can be, the
21:54
Speaker 1: best mom that you can be, the best business owner.
21:56
Speaker 1: And there's cracks appearing. It was also an interesting insight
21:59
Speaker 1: into Molly's relationship with Fran. They have referred to each
22:03
Speaker 1: other as their best friends. Molly was a bridesmaid in
22:05
Speaker 1: Fran's wedding, but clearly the foundation of their friendship is business.
22:09
Speaker 1: And Fran has to have these tough conversations with her
22:13
Speaker 1: I mean, she's wanting her 10% cut, isn't she? I mean,
22:16
Speaker 1: I'm sure the brand deal was massive.
22:17
Speaker 2: Yeah.
22:18
Speaker 1: Well, something else we learned in this doco is that
22:20
Speaker 1: Molly and Tommy are still living separately. So right before
22:24
Speaker 1: their breakup, they purchased a home, which they dubbed their
22:27
Speaker 1: forever home. It sounds like it's a ridiculous mansion. And
22:31
Speaker 1: they were actually set to move in, but then suddenly
22:33
Speaker 1: broke up. And Tommy ended up moving into that brand
22:36
Speaker 1: new house, whereas Molly still lives in the house. I think,
22:39
Speaker 1: is it called? Molly Mason, is that what they call
22:41
Speaker 1: the house?
22:41
Speaker 2: Maison.
22:42
Speaker 1: Maison, sorry. And since then, Bambi has been going between
22:46
Speaker 1: the two houses. And Molly admitted that despite the couple
22:49
Speaker 1: now being back together, Bambi probably feels like her parents
22:53
Speaker 1: are living these very separate lives. And in this scene
22:56
Speaker 1: with her sister Zoe, whose side note we need more
22:59
Speaker 1: of in the documentary because she was really the standout star. Well,
23:02
Speaker 1: I wonder if she has purposely recruited a little bit
23:06
Speaker 1: after getting backlash for being too in Molly's business and
23:09
Speaker 1: also She didn't hide the fact that she's not Tommy
23:11
Speaker 1: Fury's biggest fan in the first series. So now that
23:13
Speaker 1: they're back together, she's taken a bit of a backseat.
23:15
Speaker 1: I mean, she has moved in with Molly since then,
23:18
Speaker 1: but it seems like she's just looking after the house
23:19
Speaker 1: when Molly's not there. Well, Zoe and her husband, Danny,
23:22
Speaker 1: they are moving out of the house soon and they
23:25
Speaker 1: are moving into their own house that they built. And
23:27
Speaker 1: Molly was saying that she doesn't know what to do
23:30
Speaker 1: with her current house going forward. She says she doesn't
23:32
Speaker 1: want to sell it and she doesn't want to rent
23:34
Speaker 1: it out because the house has become her safety blanket.
23:37
Speaker 1: She said it means that she's able to remove herself
23:40
Speaker 1: from a situation with Tommy if she needs to. I mean,
23:43
Speaker 1: the fact that you need a backup mansion in case
23:45
Speaker 1: you have a fight just tells me that your relationship
23:47
Speaker 1: is not in a good place. Well, yeah, she described
23:50
Speaker 1: it as not wanting to put all of her eggs
23:51
Speaker 1: in one basket and said that it would be scary
23:54
Speaker 1: to get rid of the house because with Tommy, she
23:56
Speaker 1: never knows what tomorrow is going to bring and she
23:59
Speaker 1: gets really anxious thinking that she might wake up to
24:01
Speaker 1: this big problem that she can't remove herself from. It
24:04
Speaker 1: didn't sound great. Well, when series one concluded, I think
24:08
Speaker 1: we all sat there and thought, this is not going
24:11
Speaker 1: to work out well for them. Like we're happy to
24:13
Speaker 1: see them back together, but realistically they haven't sorted anything out. Well,
24:18
Speaker 1: it was actually Zoe who was saying to her, look, Molly,
24:20
Speaker 1: this isn't normal for Bambi to be going between the
24:23
Speaker 1: two houses and to not really know what's going on
24:26
Speaker 1: between you two. You need to trial living back with Tommy.
24:29
Speaker 1: I wonder if she suggested that because she kind of
24:32
Speaker 1: hopes that maybe it'll end up with them breaking up.
24:35
Speaker 1: I think she's the only realistic one in this situation.
24:38
Speaker 1: It seems like Tommy and Molly are walking on eggshells
24:40
Speaker 1: around each other because they still want to be together,
24:43
Speaker 1: but they know realistically it's not going to work. I mean,
24:47
Speaker 1: Molly even mentioned that she has chosen not to put
24:50
Speaker 1: her engagement ring back on yet. So she admitted that
24:53
Speaker 1: she doesn't feel quite ready to wear it again. And
24:56
Speaker 1: she wants Tommy to make some sort of gesture. Now,
24:59
Speaker 1: she said she doesn't expect a full-blown proposal from But
25:03
Speaker 1: she'd like him to plan, you know, like a nice
25:05
Speaker 1: romantic dinner out so she can have that moment where
25:08
Speaker 1: she's like, okay, I'll wear it again. I mean, that's
25:11
Speaker 1: not exactly hard to plan a nice dinner out. I
25:13
Speaker 1: don't know why he hasn't done it already. She is
25:15
Speaker 1: saying that this is a full new chapter for her
25:18
Speaker 1: and Tommy. And again, reiterated that they're back together, but
25:21
Speaker 1: things aren't perfect. Now, away from Tommy, the docu-series really
25:25
Speaker 1: centered around Molly's experience as a mum, particularly the intense
25:29
Speaker 1: mum shaming that she's been receiving from We've spoken at
25:33
Speaker 1: length about the incidences on this podcast before. Funnily enough,
25:37
Speaker 1: we were actually contacted by the Behind It All docuseries producers.
25:42
Speaker 1: They asked if they could use a clip from our
25:43
Speaker 1: podcast where we spoke about Molly and her secret nanny.
25:47
Speaker 1: I was so excited by this. I was like, Does
25:49
Speaker 1: this mean that Molly May knows we exist?
25:52
Speaker 2: Yeah.
25:52
Speaker 1: Or someone in her team. The segment was actually from
25:56
Speaker 1: our subs episode. And I was like, I can't even
25:59
Speaker 1: remember what we said. And we listened back. I have
26:00
Speaker 1: the crokiest voice on it. Anyway, they were really keen
26:04
Speaker 1: to have the clip and then they ghosted us. So
26:06
Speaker 1: we got the vibe that, I mean, they did it
26:09
Speaker 1: really well in the first series where they would have
26:11
Speaker 1: people popping up on TikTok or podcasts popping up. And
26:14
Speaker 1: they wanted to use a line that made it sound
26:17
Speaker 1: like we were being quite negative around the fact that
26:19
Speaker 1: it was revealed that Molly had this secret nanny, whereas
26:23
Speaker 1: we came back to them and said we were actually
26:25
Speaker 1: defending her decision to do so and felt it was
26:28
Speaker 1: a bit sexist that no one brought up the fact
26:30
Speaker 1: that Tommy also has a nanny for his daughter. So
26:33
Speaker 1: I think as soon as they heard that, they were like, oh,
26:35
Speaker 1: we might be barking up the wrong tree with that one.
26:37
Speaker 1: It was quite interesting because they offered us a fee
26:40
Speaker 1: to use a snippet from our podcast and they asked
26:42
Speaker 1: us how much money we'd want for it. And we
26:45
Speaker 1: were like, I have no idea what people would charge.
26:49
Speaker 1: We went back to them and said, well, what's your budget?
26:51
Speaker 1: They said 300 pounds, which isn't too bad for like
26:55
Speaker 1: a tiny snippet of your podcast. I actually thought considering
26:58
Speaker 1: it was a international licensing that it wasn't that much
27:02
Speaker 1: at all. Like it was still 600 bucks essentially. We
27:04
Speaker 1: would have let them use it for free. Let's be honest,
27:06
Speaker 1: just to be on Molly Mae's talk. I was so excited.
27:08
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh my God, Everyone that listens is going
27:10
Speaker 1: to be thrilled for us that we're in the dog home. Well,
27:14
Speaker 1: talking about the secret nanny, does she have one or not? Well, yes,
27:17
Speaker 1: she does have a nanny. And this was brought up
27:20
Speaker 1: when she was getting ready to go on a work
27:22
Speaker 1: trip for a couple of days to St. Tropez. And
27:25
Speaker 1: she was talking to her dad about it. And he said, oh,
27:27
Speaker 1: who's going to be looking after Bambi whilst you're away?
27:30
Speaker 1: And she said, oh, we've got childcare covering some of
27:33
Speaker 1: the days. She then told her dad that there's been
27:36
Speaker 1: all this speculation in the press about Bambi's childcare and
27:39
Speaker 1: whether she has a nanny. And she said that she
27:42
Speaker 1: never knew it was going to be blown into such
27:44
Speaker 1: a big issue. And to be honest, she had shied
27:47
Speaker 1: away from talking about it because she was really mindful
27:49
Speaker 1: that she didn't want to upset any mums or make
27:52
Speaker 1: any of them feel less than. And she confirmed that
27:55
Speaker 1: it's not actually around the clock care, it's just when
27:57
Speaker 1: she and Tommy are at work. I think the difficulty
28:01
Speaker 1: with Molly and her job as an influencer is that
28:04
Speaker 1: her role is to be as relatable as possible, even
28:07
Speaker 1: though she is a multimillionaire who is super famous. And
28:11
Speaker 1: when you watch her vlog, she seems like just your
28:13
Speaker 1: everyday girl, someone that you could be friends with. So
28:16
Speaker 1: I understand why she probably shied away from talking about
28:19
Speaker 1: the fact that she has a nanny. And in terms
28:22
Speaker 1: of how often she uses her, and I think people
28:24
Speaker 1: probably see her day documented on YouTube and go, oh,
28:28
Speaker 1: but all she does is go down to... the shops
28:31
Speaker 1: and watches movies at home or what she has a
28:34
Speaker 1: nanny to look after Bambi. I don't think people realize, oh,
28:37
Speaker 1: she actually has a business that she needs to work at.
28:39
Speaker 1: Like most moms go back to work after a period
28:42
Speaker 1: of time.
28:43
Speaker 2: Yeah.
28:44
Speaker 1: And I think that it's more evident when you watch
28:46
Speaker 1: the docu-series, how busy her life is and the fact
28:49
Speaker 1: that she is this huge business owner and also has
28:52
Speaker 1: all these brand deals that she's got to manage at
28:53
Speaker 1: the same time. She said that having a nanny allows
28:56
Speaker 1: her to keep working and build her business and create
28:59
Speaker 1: this life that she wants to for Bambi. I think
29:01
Speaker 1: we also forget the fact that she's only 26 years
29:04
Speaker 1: old and she's navigating motherhood for the first time. She
29:06
Speaker 1: got a lot of flack for a potty training scene
29:09
Speaker 1: that was included in this documentary. Oh, I saw people
29:11
Speaker 1: talking about that on TikTok because People were like, why
29:14
Speaker 1: did they film her in the bath and also on
29:17
Speaker 1: the potty? Like they censored it, but they were saying, well,
29:19
Speaker 1: what about the film crew that were there that, you know,
29:21
Speaker 1: saw it all happening? I do understand that, but I
29:23
Speaker 1: think it was actually a really clever way to juxtaposition
29:26
Speaker 1: this very glamorous lifestyle that Molly has with the struggles
29:30
Speaker 1: of motherhood. Because in the scene, she has this pink
29:34
Speaker 1: potty training toilet set up in Bambi's en suite and
29:37
Speaker 1: Bambi just refused to go on there and Molly had
29:42
Speaker 1: bought her this little bucket hat and some sunglasses and
29:44
Speaker 1: said only girls who use the toilet are allowed to
29:47
Speaker 1: wear these anyway Bambi wasn't having any of it she
29:51
Speaker 1: hid in this basket and then absolutely lost it when
29:54
Speaker 1: Molly tried to put her on the toilet like it
29:55
Speaker 1: was very relatable for any parents it was an absolute
29:58
Speaker 1: shit show pardon the I mean, I get that that's
30:01
Speaker 1: good content, but personally, if I was Bambi, I don't
30:04
Speaker 1: think I'd be thrilled that this vision of me learning
30:07
Speaker 1: to use a potty was being aired to millions of
30:10
Speaker 1: people across the world. It was quite humorous because she
30:14
Speaker 1: then put Bambi in the bath and Bambi ended up,
30:17
Speaker 1: of course, pooing in the bath. And she's having to
30:19
Speaker 1: scoop out this disintegrating poo. So, I mean, the thing
30:22
Speaker 1: that actually made me more mad was that Tommy then
30:25
Speaker 1: pops up on FaceTime. Oh, how'd you go Bambi? It's like,
30:28
Speaker 1: Where are you? Why are you not helping? Yeah, I
30:30
Speaker 1: read an article saying that the docu-series actually posed more
30:35
Speaker 1: questions than it answered and it seems like by Molly
30:39
Speaker 1: letting this crew into her life when I think that
30:42
Speaker 1: there are a lot of unanswered questions that she wants
30:45
Speaker 1: to know the answers to in terms of her relationship
30:48
Speaker 1: with Tommy and it's just come across as a little
30:50
Speaker 1: bit awkward. Yeah, but again, this docu-series has two parts
30:54
Speaker 1: to it. So we've got three episodes that have been
30:56
Speaker 1: released now. At the start of next year, we have
30:59
Speaker 1: three more. I'm sure those three more are going to
31:02
Speaker 1: answer some of those questions. I think it's actually set
31:04
Speaker 1: it up in a really clever way because it leaves
31:06
Speaker 1: you wanting more. How long are these episodes? Are they
31:09
Speaker 1: around like the 45 to hour mark again? They're only
31:12
Speaker 1: about half an hour. I got through them so quickly. Well,
31:15
Speaker 1: that's disappointing. Maybe I could have bloody watched them this
31:17
Speaker 1: week because I saw Molly talking about how she's taken
31:20
Speaker 1: this big hiatus from YouTube because she's been filming 24-7
31:23
Speaker 1: and To only have an hour and a half worth
31:26
Speaker 1: of content when some of her vlogs are around the
31:28
Speaker 1: 30 to 40 minute mark each week. Yeah, but I
31:31
Speaker 1: think it's quality over quantity. The episodes were snappy. They
31:34
Speaker 1: kept you engaged. And I personally cannot wait for the
31:37
Speaker 1: second installment to drop in January. Let's have a bit
31:41
Speaker 1: of a Friday debrief. I want to know what your
31:42
Speaker 1: highs and lows for this week are, Sophie. I think
31:45
Speaker 1: I already know your low. It's definitely the four month
31:48
Speaker 1: sleep regression. I touched on this in our subs episode.
31:51
Speaker 1: It's hit me hard. I have been pre-empting it for
31:54
Speaker 1: a couple of weeks now. It's not like you to
31:56
Speaker 1: be pessimistic. No, I've done a lot of reading about
31:58
Speaker 1: it because I was like, I just want to know
32:00
Speaker 1: when it's going to hit and I want to know
32:01
Speaker 1: when it's going to end. Unfortunately, there's not an answer
32:03
Speaker 1: to any of those questions because it is subjective. Well,
32:06
Speaker 1: that's just life with a baby. I don't think that
32:08
Speaker 1: they come with a handbook, unfortunately. So, I mean, luckily
32:12
Speaker 1: he's still sleeping really well overnight. It's just his daytime
32:15
Speaker 1: naps that have been thrown off. Literally, it'll be 30
32:18
Speaker 1: minutes and bang on the 30 minutes he wakes up.
32:21
Speaker 1: and can't resettle himself. He is learning so many things though.
32:25
Speaker 1: So my high of the week has to be the
32:26
Speaker 1: fact that he's put on a lot more weight recently.
32:30
Speaker 1: He's looking a lot bigger and he's just smiling and
32:32
Speaker 1: there's so much more personality now. He's so gorgeous. You've
32:36
Speaker 1: got to take the good with the bad, don't you?
32:37
Speaker 1: My low of the week is that poor Amy has
32:40
Speaker 1: been sick. She's been struck down by, it's not the
32:42
Speaker 1: flu or COVID, but it's some nasty sort of coldy virus.
32:46
Speaker 1: And that's why she hasn't been on the show this week.
32:49
Speaker 1: But it also means double the work for Sophie and I.
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Speaker 1: Especially those of us struggling with four-month regressions and children
32:55
Speaker 1: not sleeping during their nap times, which is your only
32:56
Speaker 1: time to do some work. It makes it tough.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: So poor Amy, she is starting to feel a lot better,
33:02
Speaker 1: but we haven't really seen her because she was away
33:05
Speaker 1: in Kangaroo Island for a couple of days too. So
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Speaker 1: I'm really missing her. So that would be my low
33:10
Speaker 1: of the week. My high of the week is sadly
33:14
Speaker 1: television related. I know we talked about the block. I'm
33:16
Speaker 1: sad that the block is basically over, but I've replaced
33:19
Speaker 1: that obsession with Sophie, you'll be excited by this. With
33:22
Speaker 1: the summer, I turned pretty. I did sad watch the
33:25
Speaker 1: block if you watch the summer, I turned pretty. And look,
33:27
Speaker 1: we should take each other's recommendations more clearly. It's the
33:30
Speaker 1: first show in a long time where I don't even
33:32
Speaker 1: want to be on my phone. Like I've got to
33:33
Speaker 1: be watching it. And it's so nice to actually be
33:36
Speaker 1: so invested in a TV show. I'm at the end
33:39
Speaker 1: of the second series and I've been told that the
33:40
Speaker 1: third series is by far the best and that I
33:43
Speaker 1: didn't even have to bother to watch the first two.
33:45
Speaker 1: I said to Brandon last night, I just can't wait
33:47
Speaker 1: for Kate to start watching the third series. You're going
33:49
Speaker 1: to have your socks blown off. See, it's annoying because
33:51
Speaker 1: I actually do know what happens at the end. I
33:53
Speaker 1: won't spoil it for anyone else. But I do know.
33:55
Speaker 1: I mean, I think it's fairly obvious. Yeah, I know
33:57
Speaker 1: what happens at the end. And I've been hearing everyone
34:00
Speaker 1: going on like, oh, I'm team Conrad. I'm team Jeremiah.
34:03
Speaker 1: And I was surprised because towards the end of season two,
34:06
Speaker 1: I was team Jeremiah. But I've been told that I
34:09
Speaker 1: will turn into Team Conrad in season three. Because not
34:12
Speaker 1: to give anything away, but they really make Jeremiah into
34:15
Speaker 1: a bit of a flog in season three. When I
34:17
Speaker 1: first watched it, I was like, I don't rate any
34:19
Speaker 1: of these guys. I don't think they're attractive. I mean,
34:21
Speaker 1: probably because they looked really young. But now I'm like,
34:23
Speaker 1: oh my God, they're both gorgeous. Like, which one would
34:25
Speaker 1: I choose from? That's the best thing about how the
34:27
Speaker 1: show is created is you almost feel like your belly
34:30
Speaker 1: and you're in the dilemma of, oh my God, they're
34:32
Speaker 1: both incredible. bone to pick with Belly. Why are you
34:35
Speaker 1: messing with these boys when their mother's just passed away?
34:37
Speaker 1: I get so annoyed at her. I'm like, you're causing
34:40
Speaker 1: this problem. And apparently I'm going to be even more
34:42
Speaker 1: annoyed with her by season three. In season three, everyone
34:45
Speaker 1: turned on Belly. I'm already turned on her now. I'm
34:47
Speaker 1: not impressed with her behavior. It's funny because she's the
34:49
Speaker 1: main character, but she's not the hero of the show.
34:51
Speaker 1: The heroes of the show are Jeremiah and Conrad.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
34:55
Speaker 1: So I'm getting ready to be team Conrad because I
34:58
Speaker 1: always love an underdog, and now suddenly that he's the underdog,
35:01
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh. He flips so much during the series.
35:03
Speaker 1: It's so clever. Yeah. I could talk about that show
35:05
Speaker 1: all day, but we probably should head off. Thank you
35:08
Speaker 1: so much for joining us for this episode. If you
35:10
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35:24
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35:27
Speaker 1: third episode every week. This week we spoke about the
35:31
Speaker 1: croc invasion at an influencer hotspot along with G Bungalow's
35:36
Speaker 1: decision to launch a faceless kids clothing campaign and also
35:40
Speaker 1: Indy Clinton taking aim at her plastic surgeon. We also
35:45
Speaker 1: had a bit of a candid conversation about Sophie Keisha's
35:49
Speaker 1: recent podcast interview if you want to hear about that.
35:51
Speaker 1: Yeah and let us know if You do want us
35:53
Speaker 1: to do a bit of a deep dive into that. Also,
35:56
Speaker 1: a bit of a live update. Artie's pet snake has
35:58
Speaker 1: been located.
35:59
Speaker 2: I know.
36:00
Speaker 1: What are the odds of that? We just basically finished
36:02
Speaker 1: the episode. I scrolled on Instagram and I'm like, oh,
36:04
Speaker 1: the snake has been found. So it was actually hiding
36:08
Speaker 1: in a bag. So Chloe has opened up the bag.
36:13
Speaker 1: She wrote, oh my God, saw her pop her head
36:15
Speaker 1: out of this bag as I was going into my
36:17
Speaker 1: car this AM. Anyone want a snake? I think my
36:20
Speaker 1: snake mum days are over. Sorry, Artie. Now, in the photo,
36:23
Speaker 1: the snake again looks like it's about to strike. Oh,
36:26
Speaker 1: it's horrible. I'm going to have nightmares after this. We
36:29
Speaker 1: should probably leave things there. Thank you so much again
36:32
Speaker 1: for joining us. This episode was recorded on the traditional
36:35
Speaker 1: land of the Kaurna people of the Adelaide Plains. We
36:37
Speaker 1: pay respect to elders past and present.