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Twins trade deadline wrap: Did they do enough to make the playoffs? · Twin Cities Territory

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Speaker 1: The trade deadline has come and gone, and the Twins
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Speaker 1: made one last move before the buzzer sounded. This is
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Speaker 1: our post Trade deadline Twins Show. I'm Zach Pearce of
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Speaker 1: The Athletic, The Athletic, Stan Hayes and longtime Major leaguer
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Speaker 1: Tyler Duffy join us shortly to talk about all the
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Speaker 1: moves the Twins made, the moves they didn't make, and
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Speaker 1: whether we think they can make the playoffs now that
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Speaker 1: the dust has settled. This is the podcast version of
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Speaker 1: And with that we'll get to the show, Our post
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Speaker 1: Trade Deadline Twins Show. Enjoy, Welcome everybody. It's our first
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Speaker 1: live show. Hopefully Tyler will be able to join us.
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Speaker 1: I'm coming, okay, I hear him. That's good.
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Speaker 2: Just posting the link. Get all our friends in here.
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Speaker 1: The trade deadline has come and gone. The Twins made
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Speaker 1: one last deal shortly before the deadline for Blue Jay's
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Speaker 1: reliever Jeff Hoffman. There will be some jokes about that scenario,
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Speaker 1: for sure, but we are here to break down. Oh,
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Speaker 1: there he is. I was just about to turn his
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Speaker 1: camera off, and then he's back. We wanted to hop
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Speaker 1: on and break it all down. That's the fourth deal
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Speaker 1: the Twins that made over the last few weeks, all
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Speaker 1: of them for pitching. They added Tommy Nance, aj Minter,
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Speaker 1: Dean Kramer. Took me a minute, there got it. And
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Speaker 1: then today Jeff Hoffman and no major leaguers went out
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Speaker 1: in any of these deals, which that was my prediction
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Speaker 1: on Friday, Thank you very much. It got a little
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Speaker 1: harry there with Trevor Larnick. I was worried he was
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Speaker 1: going to have a mid Odissey odyssey of his own,
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Speaker 1: but he stays with the Twins. Ryan Jeffers also stays
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Speaker 1: with the Twins. We'll cover as much of it as
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Speaker 1: we can before Dan has to going to talk to
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Speaker 1: the men and charge Jeremy. So well, if you have questions,
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Speaker 1: if you're watching on the YouTube live stream right now,
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Speaker 1: feel free to drop them in there. I see a
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Speaker 1: lot of comments flowing in. I'll try to keep I'll
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Speaker 1: kind of try to keep track of all that, but
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Speaker 1: let's start with the newest thing that just happened in
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Speaker 1: talk us through the latest trade to bring in Jeff Hoffman.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, the Twins were optimistic as far back as Friday
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Speaker 3: that they were gonna get a right handed reliever. Everybody
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Speaker 3: at this point knows that there was the Trevor Larnock
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Speaker 3: deal that fell through, and according to reports, I was
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Speaker 3: because Jim Crane nixed it. I knew there was a
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Speaker 3: deal kind of canceled at the eleventh hour. Didn't know
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Speaker 3: all the details as to why. But then we had
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Speaker 3: a couple of days of just silence and it got
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Speaker 3: down to the last half hour.
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Speaker 4: I did check with people throughout the.
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Speaker 3: Day, and you know, even last night, prices were extremely
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Speaker 3: high for what the Twins were looking for, and.
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Speaker 4: They were gonna wait, and they were gonna wait.
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Speaker 3: But around an hour before the deadline, it just seemed
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Speaker 3: like they had some good momentum in their way. There
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Speaker 3: were two things I learned at that point. They expected
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Speaker 3: to make at least one deal, and that Ryan Jeffers
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Speaker 3: was not going to go anywhere likely to not be traded,
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Speaker 3: so the Twins were able to do what they did,
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Speaker 3: adding two bullpen pieces like key pieces in mintor giving
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Speaker 3: them their top lefty and Jeff Hoffman, who's a really
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Speaker 3: experienced writy.
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Speaker 4: He had troubles and you know it could be.
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Speaker 3: Known forever for Game seven of the World Series, but
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Speaker 3: Jeff Hoffman has been outstanding largely the last four years
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Speaker 3: of reliever. I think even with some struggles in the
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Speaker 3: first part of this season, they got him removed from
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Speaker 3: the closer job in Toronto. He still has a three
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Speaker 3: twenty two year over the last four years, but his
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Speaker 3: strikeouts are through the roof good.
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Speaker 4: You know, this is the guy the.
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Speaker 3: Twins actually had in minor league camp or in spring
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Speaker 3: training in twenty twenty three.
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Speaker 4: They brought him to camp.
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Speaker 3: They really liked the slider time and thought it that
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Speaker 3: there was a good future there, but they didn't put
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Speaker 3: him on the major league roster towards They were taking
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Speaker 3: a gamble towards the end of spring training that they
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Speaker 3: could slide him through and nobody would get him. I
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Speaker 3: remember he did a tryout on the backfields for any
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Speaker 3: scouts that were willing to come. The Phillies grabbed him
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Speaker 3: and you know, four years later, the Twins had to
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Speaker 3: pay a pretty steep price to get him, but they
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Speaker 3: got him. And you know, this is a guy that
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Speaker 3: with the experience he has, with the stuff he has,
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Speaker 3: really makes Derek Shelton's life a lot easier because we
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Speaker 3: have to think that at some point Andrew Morris, he's
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Speaker 3: a rookie, he's gonna hit a wall. Joandros Gomes has
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Speaker 3: been outstanding. We saw both them take losses this weekend.
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Speaker 3: I don't think that that was anything indicative of future
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Speaker 3: struggles per se. But at the same time, we're reaching
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Speaker 3: that point of season where does the dog days the
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Speaker 3: legs get tired, and when you're a rookie doing this
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Speaker 3: for the first time, and you and Gomez's case, you're
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Speaker 3: a converted starter doing this, you know, much more consistently
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Speaker 3: for the first.
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Speaker 4: Time, the legs are gonna get heavy. Duff can talk
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Speaker 4: about that in a minute.
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Speaker 3: But they absolutely needed a right handed power arm that
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Speaker 3: got one to throw in the mix. And this bullpen,
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Speaker 3: especially when you consider Tommy nance edition back on July tenth.
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Speaker 3: You know, that's the third guy now, and that's as
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Speaker 3: you think about it, Like everywhere they went at first
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Speaker 3: if that was the only thing you got, Tommy, nance
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Speaker 3: was not gonna be enough. We knew that aj Mintor
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Speaker 3: was a really nice ad. We saw him strike out
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Speaker 3: Julio Rodriguez this weekend in a key spot. You thought
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Speaker 3: that was good, but you still needed more. This is
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Speaker 3: a very good finishing piece. And suddenly this bullpen looks
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Speaker 3: much deeper than it did. You know in February when
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Speaker 3: you're wondering about Andrew Chaffin and Liam Hendrix and all
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Speaker 3: those guys. I mean, this is you can't believe it's
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Speaker 3: the same season with how much deeper it looks, especially
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Speaker 3: with the way that Gomez and Morris have really stepped
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Speaker 3: up and carried the load for the Twins.
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Speaker 1: Dann. For those of us who may not have known
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Speaker 1: what you were talking about until you said it, what
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Speaker 1: happened in Game seven, I forget I honestly I don't
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Speaker 1: remember what happened soon.
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Speaker 3: Van Hoffman gave up a ninth any home run to
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Speaker 3: extend the game, and it sent it to extras.
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Speaker 4: And we know the rest.
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Speaker 3: The Dodgers won, and you know, after them and Trek
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Speaker 3: Skoogle win their third straight World Series, baseball will be
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Speaker 3: destroyed forever.
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Speaker 4: So I guess we can come down.
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Speaker 3: We can pin the downfall of humanity on that one moment, apparently.
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Speaker 4: But no, I honestly in Jeff Hoffman.
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Speaker 3: I mean I remember talking to him at the time
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Speaker 3: in twenty twenty three he was gonna be a good fit.
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Speaker 3: I also talked to him last year when I went
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Speaker 3: to Toronto in August just to do kind of a
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Speaker 3: check in on Louis Varland when the twins were in town,
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Speaker 3: and Hoffman he's just he's gonna fit in with this
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Speaker 3: team very well. This is a guy who really developed
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Speaker 3: later in life. He was twenty nine when he got
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Speaker 3: good in the bullpen. There were some signs of it
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Speaker 3: in his earlier stops, but it never really consistently happened.
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Speaker 3: But I mean, you just look at the strikeout numbers
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Speaker 3: the last four years, and again he struggled very much
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Speaker 3: early in the year. I mean he was he was
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Speaker 3: bad enough they removed him from the closer job. But
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Speaker 3: since June one, I mean, he's been light time. I
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Speaker 3: think I have it. He's two and three with a
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Speaker 3: one to twenty one year, a thirty strikeouts in twenty
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Speaker 3: two and twenty two, and a thirty innings and six
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Speaker 3: holds over that time.
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Speaker 4: So this is a guy that's gonna fit in nicely
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Speaker 4: because he.
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Speaker 3: Can save some games on days when Jo Anders go
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Speaker 3: him as isn't ready or or Andrew.
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Speaker 4: Morris is down that kind of thing.
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Speaker 3: So it should be a very interchangeable piece for Derek
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Speaker 3: Shelton to kind of employ Tyler.
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Speaker 1: Before I get to your thoughts on the on the deals,
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Speaker 1: there's a lot of chatter in the comments about your shirt,
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Speaker 1: a lot of compliments. Somebody wants to know what kind
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Speaker 1: of shirt is it? What we got? We got a fish,
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Speaker 1: This is a palm trees.
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Speaker 4: The full story behind this.
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Speaker 5: Lavelle Neil oh for this shirt every spring training when
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Speaker 5: I was with Minnesota and it was one. It was
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Speaker 5: just so outrageous that I couldn't believe that he owned it.
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Speaker 5: And then I'm walking through I think it was in
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Speaker 5: Naples in a store. I spent way more than I'm
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Speaker 5: even willing to say on this shirt, which good on
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Speaker 5: Levell for having it, But this was in honor of
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Speaker 5: Lavell neil rocking of one of one. I found that
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Speaker 5: the two of two, I don't know what the I
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Speaker 5: don't even know it's Tory something Tory Richards. But this
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Speaker 5: has been a I throw it on when I need
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Speaker 5: a little energy, you know, and get a little boose
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Speaker 5: when I'm smoking cigars and drinking whiskey sometimes.
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Speaker 1: So you know, Tyler, you're a pitcher. How are you feeling.
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Speaker 1: Four arms added to the pen. That's gotta that's gotta
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Speaker 1: feel good.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's the one Since day one, we've said it
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Speaker 5: needed to happen. You know, pretty much across the board,
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Speaker 5: anything you read or saw it was bullpen, bullpen, bullpen.
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Speaker 5: We just went and got big leaguers that are established.
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Speaker 5: There's not like guessing on these guys. You know, Hoffman,
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Speaker 5: Dan just hit on his stats. I think it was
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Speaker 5: one of those World Series hangover guys, kind of like
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Speaker 5: Banda was.
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Speaker 2: It takes a while to catch up again.
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Speaker 5: You know, your your off season gets sure, where your
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Speaker 5: spring training comes really quickly. You've got to be ready
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Speaker 5: for games things like that. You just sometimes you needed
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Speaker 5: a little extra break that you just weren't allowed to
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Speaker 5: have because you were in the World Series. So it's
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Speaker 5: a great problem to have. But at the same time,
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Speaker 5: that next season comes quickly, and you know, he seems
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Speaker 5: to have settled in and righted the ship, and it's
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Speaker 5: it's a lot of good options. It's a lot of
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Speaker 5: guys that have been in leverage, have been in postseason,
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Speaker 5: been in World Series for that matter. It's it's all
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Speaker 5: good things. And you didn't give up. You didn't change
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Speaker 5: the vibe of that locker room. We talked about that
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Speaker 5: so many times, how they've got a great group in there,
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Speaker 5: and plugging in the right pieces or getting of the
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Speaker 5: wrong piece may affect that.
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Speaker 2: And it seems that they kind of hit each nail
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Speaker 2: on the head.
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Speaker 5: You know, they made enough noise to make it significant
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Speaker 5: without giving away too much.
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Speaker 2: You know, I've said this before.
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Speaker 5: Prospects are prospects, and that's kind of it, you know.
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Speaker 5: And sometimes I don't work out, sometimes I do. As
9:54
Speaker 5: soon as that guy goes to the big leagues and doesn't
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Speaker 5: work out, you can't use them anymore. So if you
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Speaker 5: use the piece that you might have wanted back down
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Speaker 5: the road, but you also got a guy who's an
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Speaker 5: established closer in the major leagues for less than you
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Speaker 5: probably would have had he had a great season. So
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Speaker 5: it's I think it's a win across the board. You know,
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Speaker 5: Larnick seemingly he's staying in town, which I liked. I
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Speaker 5: love him. He's had such a great year. You know,
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Speaker 5: he's settled into that leadoff spot there. There's he was
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Speaker 5: a guy didn't want to see move unfortunately, but you know,
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Speaker 5: it looks like he's still here. So now it's it's
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Speaker 5: time to put the pedal to the metal and go.
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Speaker 5: You know, every seems like White Sox and Indians both
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Speaker 5: made some moves as well, so everybody's trying.
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Speaker 1: So sorry it's happened.
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Speaker 5: So it's fun that, you know, It's it'll make for
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Speaker 5: some exciting series here the next two months. You know,
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Speaker 5: if we haven't really even played the White Sox, that
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Speaker 5: maybe one series that I can remember. So there's gonna
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Speaker 5: be a lot of games against them. It's gonna be
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Speaker 5: some dog fights in Chicago. It's it's gonna make for
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Speaker 1: Yeah. The prospects on the way out for Hoffman, Jason Hill,
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Speaker 1: John klin and de Murray pina And and Dason Hill
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Speaker 1: was the headliner of the entire trade deadline as it
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Speaker 1: turned out for the Twins number seven I believe on
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Speaker 1: MLB's rankings of their prospects, but overall, clearly some additions
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Speaker 1: made across the board and like I was actually very
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Speaker 1: happy that there was no trade of Larnick or Jeffers,
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Speaker 1: even though I don't know what the plan is with
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Speaker 1: Jeffers at this point, but I think, like.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, extend them tomorrow.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, because so like this is what the Twins. We
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Speaker 1: were talking about this in our text earlier, Like everyone
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Speaker 1: knows the Twins don't pay, so they I'm guessing, and
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Speaker 1: you're gonna talk to Jeremy's only a little bit, Daniel.
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Speaker 1: Maybe it'll come up, but like I'm guessing, the offers
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Speaker 1: are probably not great for Jeffers because like why why
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Speaker 1: not just wait until the offseason if you want him
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Speaker 1: long term? And then with Trevor Larnick, you know, all
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Speaker 1: of a sudden, hitting is a real question for this
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Speaker 1: team right now. The last month has not been great
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Speaker 1: at least in terms of scoring run and he's been
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Speaker 1: one of the most consistent hitters, and I just think, like,
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Speaker 1: keep the good if you really, if you're really trying
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Speaker 1: to build with this team, you wanted to keep that
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Speaker 1: group intact, and they did.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, Look with Jeffers, I don't think it was a
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Speaker 3: lack of good offers that was out there. I mean,
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Speaker 3: we saw what the Red Sox did Bradley Rutchman. They
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Speaker 3: paid to Baltimore for Radley Rutchman. So I think the
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Speaker 3: Twins were getting some fair offers for Ryan Jeffers. What
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Speaker 3: I think happened is that they looked at it and
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Speaker 3: they said, we're going to offer him the qualifying offer.
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Speaker 3: He's not going to accept the qualifying offer. And I'm
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Speaker 3: fairly positive on that one. He wants to be a
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Speaker 3: free agent and he wants to get a big contract.
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Speaker 3: He's got Scott Boris as an agent. He will be
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Speaker 3: the best catcher on the market. He will get a
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Speaker 3: nice long term deal in the offseason because teams need
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Speaker 3: catching help. There were three big teams between the Rays,
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Speaker 3: the Yankees, and the Red Sox absolutely needed catching help
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Speaker 3: at this deadline. You know, I feel like he should
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Speaker 3: be just fine as a free agent.
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Speaker 4: He's not going to stick around.
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Speaker 3: The Twins can absorb that twenty million plus they would
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Speaker 3: have to for a one year deal. I think they
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Speaker 3: wouldn't hate that at all if Ryan Jeffers stuck for
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Speaker 3: a one year, because look, that gives them time to
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Speaker 3: buys them time to get to Von Lackey. Now, obviously
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Speaker 3: that's gonna be a big number if to take on
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Speaker 3: if he were to stick around. But again, I just
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Speaker 3: don't see Ryan Jeffers doing that. He's going to get
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Speaker 3: a chance to get his long term deal and move on.
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Speaker 3: So then it became a like, do you want to
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Speaker 3: break up this group? Like, I'm just going with the
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Speaker 3: factors here, Wigh, do you want to break up the group?
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Speaker 3: That was something that was clearly the Twins didn't really
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Speaker 3: feel strong about that. They wanted to keep Larnick, they
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Speaker 3: wanted to keep Ryan Jeffers. There's good vibes in that clubhouse.
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Speaker 3: But also you get two months of Ryan Jeffers now
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Speaker 3: to help you, which you would have to figure out
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Speaker 3: a way to make up for that had you traded him.
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Speaker 3: And when it's a qualifying offer, regardless of what the
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Speaker 3: new CBA is, there's going to be some kind of compensation,
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Speaker 3: and you know you.
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Speaker 4: It seems likely that the.
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Speaker 3: Rules won't change for that first year no matter what,
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Speaker 3: because you can't change the rules that are already in place.
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Speaker 3: So the Twins would get a comp pick after the
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Speaker 3: first round. So it's a solid player. In fact, one
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Speaker 3: of the guys that I'm sure teams were asking about
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Speaker 3: with the Twins that's jumping up in their prospect system
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Speaker 3: is Riley quick. They got him with a thirty six
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Speaker 3: pick last year, I believe, and he's a fast mover
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Speaker 3: in their system.
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Speaker 4: I believe he's already a double A.
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Speaker 3: So that could be a very good pick to get
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Speaker 3: if you let Ryan Jeffers walk again.
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Speaker 4: I think they look at it as like we're.
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Speaker 3: Either getting that pick and we get two months of
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Speaker 3: Ryan Jeffers, or if Ryan Jeffers is forced to say, say,
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Speaker 3: the lockout screws up the offseason, right, maybe it just
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Speaker 3: totally messes things up and Ryan Jeffers had to accept
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Speaker 3: the qualifying offer. They get Ryan Jeffers for one more year.
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Speaker 3: They're not going to hate that because they don't have
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Speaker 3: to extend him long term, but they get to keep
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Speaker 3: him and bridge that gap to von Lackey getting here.
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Speaker 4: By the way, von Lackey had an amazing.
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Speaker 3: First weekend down Fort Myers, had a couple of hot stealings.
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Speaker 3: That arm looks that's a cannon of an arm for
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Speaker 3: von Lackey, and he had a seven eighty six on
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Speaker 3: base or ops after the weekend, scored four runs on
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Speaker 3: Sunday in like a blowout twenty to three game. So
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Speaker 3: I mean, I look at that and I say I
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Speaker 3: think that really factored into their equation. The Twins really
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Speaker 3: like what they have on the offensive side. They have
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Speaker 3: a group that has stuck together and really committed to
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Speaker 3: the plan all season long. They like each other, They're
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Speaker 3: playing for each other, and I mean that's why they're
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Speaker 3: at the Odyssey right now. I'm sure they're out of.
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Speaker 1: The it's done now right.
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Speaker 4: In fact, maybe they're, yeah, I watching it, watching together.
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Speaker 1: No, maybe maybe crab.
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Speaker 4: Watching the Odyssey. That is this explanation right here.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, But I think with with Jeffers, they they felt
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Speaker 3: good about keeping him.
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Speaker 4: I'm sure the prices were out there.
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Speaker 3: We again, we haven't talked to Jeremy Zol yet, but
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Speaker 3: the Yankees weren't able to do much, and I know
17:06
Speaker 3: they wanted catching They were on him for a while.
17:09
Speaker 4: And as far as Larnick, you know, there was one
17:12
Speaker 4: point in the afternoon.
17:13
Speaker 3: Where it was right before the Astros acquired Dalton var
17:17
Speaker 3: Show from the Blue Jays, and there was a lot
17:20
Speaker 3: of smoke coming from national people. I think John Hayman
17:23
Speaker 3: and Bob Nightingale both said, Hey, the Twins and Astros
17:27
Speaker 3: have re engaged on Larnick, and so I reached out
17:29
Speaker 3: to Twins officials at that point, and by the third
17:32
Speaker 3: person I reached out to, they were getting angry because,
17:35
Speaker 3: like what did the other people saying no, not mean enough,
17:38
Speaker 3: We're not getting rid of him, and I think that
17:42
Speaker 3: they weren't re engaging.
17:44
Speaker 4: They did not.
17:45
Speaker 3: They said all the reports with the Astros were negative,
17:50
Speaker 3: so I.
17:50
Speaker 4: Think, you know, who knows what came into it.
17:53
Speaker 3: But the way Trevor Larnick responded this weekend to that
17:58
Speaker 3: initial report was pretty damn good. And he got on
18:01
Speaker 3: base four times and nine plate appearances. He homered twice.
18:05
Speaker 3: He jump started the rally in Sunday's game with the
18:08
Speaker 3: two run homer. He showed them a lot. He showed
18:11
Speaker 3: them a lot all season the way he's played, and
18:14
Speaker 3: I think they felt good about continuing forward with that
18:17
Speaker 3: platoon even if it you know, they would have brought
18:19
Speaker 3: up Walker Jenkins probably, you know, that's that's just my
18:22
Speaker 3: guess is that had they traded him, they would have
18:24
Speaker 3: brought up Walker Jenkins. And I was gonna ask you, Yeah,
18:27
Speaker 3: that just seemed logical. I don't know that that's definitely
18:30
Speaker 3: the case, but that seemed logical that they would do
18:33
Speaker 3: that give Roaden some more playing time and bring up
18:36
Speaker 3: Walker Jenkins, especially with Buckston on the al. But again,
18:39
Speaker 3: now you can kind of take your time and not
18:41
Speaker 3: break up the clubhouse. That group is definitely tight and
18:45
Speaker 3: really liked each other, really likes each other, and I
18:49
Speaker 3: know internally there was a lot of desire to stick
18:52
Speaker 3: together with those guys, and you know, now they shored
18:57
Speaker 3: up a lot of their weaknesses and still kept that
19:00
Speaker 3: offense together. So I think they're probably feeling pretty good
19:03
Speaker 3: about what they accomplished. And by the way, the Twins
19:05
Speaker 3: added about eight and a half million in payroll on
19:08
Speaker 3: this They took on the rest of Jeff hoffin the
19:12
Speaker 3: book salary this year, which is three and a half million,
19:15
Speaker 3: and it's you know, last year, the Twins may probably
19:18
Speaker 3: traded more guys than any team in the history of
19:21
Speaker 3: baseball over the course of the deadline at ten.
19:24
Speaker 4: This year, they.
19:25
Speaker 3: Did another first and they probably added more payroll than
19:28
Speaker 3: they ever have at the deadline with about eight and
19:31
Speaker 3: a half million absorbed between a j mentor between Dean
19:34
Speaker 3: Kramer and Jeff Hoffman. And I think that probably helped
19:37
Speaker 3: them as far as what prospects they had to give up,
19:40
Speaker 3: because in that you know, Mentor deal. They didn't give
19:45
Speaker 3: up a ton. I think they didn't give up anybody
19:47
Speaker 3: in their top twenty. And the jury will be out
19:51
Speaker 3: on what they gave up in this one. But one
19:55
Speaker 3: thing to be cautioned. John Klein, who is in this
19:58
Speaker 3: deal is from Brooklyn.
19:59
Speaker 1: Port one of us.
20:01
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, he's twenty four. Yeah, he's twenty four, and
20:05
Speaker 3: he's got a fastball cutter combo and I don't know
20:09
Speaker 3: if I can remember in history when the Twins traded
20:12
Speaker 3: the Blue Jays of one of us who had a
20:14
Speaker 3: fastball cutter.
20:15
Speaker 1: I'm going to cut your mic. I'm going to cut
20:17
Speaker 1: your mic, lou.
20:21
Speaker 4: I mean John Klin even put the hat on, had
20:24
Speaker 4: a smile like Louis, Like I'm not kidding.
20:27
Speaker 3: In spring training he sort of had a similar face structure.
20:31
Speaker 4: To Louis, and I was like, is that Louis?
20:33
Speaker 3: So man? I mean they traded Louis Varland's little brother
20:37
Speaker 3: to the to the Blue Jays.
20:38
Speaker 1: So was the the initial warnick astro stuff you're hearing
20:42
Speaker 1: that had some actual stone?
20:44
Speaker 4: I heard that was? Yeah, that was that had actual Yes, just.
20:49
Speaker 1: A follow up to the Jim Yeah, Houston's uncle Jim
20:52
Speaker 1: says absolutely not so like apparently it just it just
20:56
Speaker 1: would have been such a gamble if the goal is
20:59
Speaker 1: to make a push for this team, Like I want
21:01
Speaker 1: to see Walker Jenkins as much as anybody, but yeah,
21:04
Speaker 1: but I don't want to rush him and put that
21:06
Speaker 1: pressure on him. Right, you have to hit two eighty six, yep,
21:09
Speaker 1: right away. You have to give us what Trevor Larnick
21:11
Speaker 1: was giving us, or else it's a problem. And I
21:14
Speaker 1: think it was the right call to not to not
21:17
Speaker 1: make that move again. I don't know what the offers
21:19
Speaker 1: were on the table or whatever, but but like Tyler I,
21:25
Speaker 1: we talked and talked and talked about this deadline, and
21:29
Speaker 1: we said, like, the Twins put themselves in a very
21:32
Speaker 1: interesting spot. They came out publicly Tom Pollad and Jeremy's
21:35
Speaker 1: old and said like, we want to invest in this team, right,
21:38
Speaker 1: and then the team is pretty flawed and you don't
21:42
Speaker 1: know what to exactly what to make of it. And
21:46
Speaker 1: we kind of thought they'd try to thread this needle
21:48
Speaker 1: of we're gonna make them better without giving up too much,
21:51
Speaker 1: and it seems like they did. But now we have
21:53
Speaker 1: forty some games to find out how much it's really
21:56
Speaker 1: gonna matter.
21:57
Speaker 5: Yeah, and I think what we're kind of just joking about,
22:01
Speaker 5: but it it really does give them an opportunity to
22:04
Speaker 5: slowly temper these guys, these prospects. You know, your your
22:08
Speaker 5: number one picks, you know, Jenkins and Company and Saint Paul,
22:12
Speaker 5: whoever you think might be.
22:14
Speaker 2: Of aid to you.
22:16
Speaker 5: You bring them up for a little bit, let them
22:19
Speaker 5: get their feet wet, you know, bring them up for
22:21
Speaker 5: maybe a big series to really feel what that's like.
22:24
Speaker 5: You know, even if they just get some AB's off
22:26
Speaker 5: the bench, play late defense, whatever, but get them into
22:29
Speaker 5: games before you need them to.
22:31
Speaker 2: Rely on them. You know you can't.
22:34
Speaker 5: It's it's you know, you want your guys to be
22:37
Speaker 5: able to show up and just hit the ground running.
22:38
Speaker 5: But that that league, when those lights get bright and
22:41
Speaker 5: that deck is now three decks instead of two up
22:44
Speaker 5: above you, and there's music going and it's just a
22:47
Speaker 5: little different environment. And you know, especially when postseason comes around,
22:51
Speaker 5: you know, having those reps prior to those situations is
22:55
Speaker 5: so valuable and it now provides them The clubhouse is intact.
23:00
Speaker 2: You know who your guys are.
23:01
Speaker 5: You know, you've got your your catching core, You've got
23:03
Speaker 5: your guys who've been rotating in the outfield, all those
23:05
Speaker 5: great things. It's now there's no more thinking of who's
23:09
Speaker 5: going to be there, there's no worrying looking over your shoulder,
23:12
Speaker 5: what's going to happen tomorrow, whatever it is.
23:14
Speaker 2: Everybody can take that breath.
23:16
Speaker 5: Today, you know, enjoy some barbecue tonight in k C
23:19
Speaker 5: and and show ready to play tomorrow. And and that's
23:22
Speaker 5: the beauty of this situation. It's it's not last year
23:26
Speaker 5: where you turn around and it's like who is who's
23:28
Speaker 5: on the Twins today? You know, and it's it is
23:31
Speaker 5: such a weird environment to be and when you show
23:34
Speaker 5: up during the week and it's like new faces daily,
23:36
Speaker 5: you know, between all the teams, it's just, uh, it's
23:40
Speaker 5: a settling again.
23:41
Speaker 2: It's it's a good feeling to have because it's your guys.
23:44
Speaker 5: Nothing that you don't have to change, You don't have
23:46
Speaker 5: to adapt for anybody specifically.
23:48
Speaker 2: You know, Cramer's going to slide into the rotation. Starters
23:50
Speaker 2: are kind of in their own world anyways. They're on
23:52
Speaker 2: their own schedules.
23:54
Speaker 4: You know.
23:54
Speaker 5: It's it's now it's the same group that's been vibing
23:58
Speaker 5: can continue to do what they're doing and just keep
24:01
Speaker 5: building this momentum. You know, it's they're going to show
24:03
Speaker 5: up tomorrow excited, you know, knowing that everyone's there. You
24:06
Speaker 5: know they're not the rotation is not going to have
24:09
Speaker 5: to adapt to a new guy behind the dish or
24:11
Speaker 5: a new whoever it is, big personality. I've kind of
24:15
Speaker 5: said that all along. It's the vibes or the vibes
24:17
Speaker 5: or they're great, they're great. You know, everything's so perfect, seemingly,
24:22
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24:24
Speaker 5: guys some money. They i mean, everyone kind of helped
24:28
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Speaker 1: In light of last year, this is wild, I mean
25:36
Speaker 1: fire sale. Yeah, everyone got here. They are buying and
25:43
Speaker 1: by doing so are saying. The barometer for this season
25:47
Speaker 1: now is the playoffs, right, Like, you don't you don't
25:50
Speaker 1: do this if you're not hoping that that's how it ends.
25:53
Speaker 1: And I was like, I was thinking about the playoff
25:56
Speaker 1: format earlier today and just the way it works out,
25:59
Speaker 1: like the AL Central and AL West are competing to
26:02
Speaker 1: be the number two and number three seed. The winners
26:05
Speaker 1: of those divisions all the rest of the teams in
26:09
Speaker 1: that sort of like around five hundred crap shoot are
26:11
Speaker 1: basically playing to be the number six. See because it
26:13
Speaker 1: sure looks like Boston, New York and Tampa are going
26:15
Speaker 1: to be the one of them will win the East
26:18
Speaker 1: and the other two will be the top two wildcard teams.
26:20
Speaker 1: And because of the way the format is set up,
26:23
Speaker 1: like the two top wildcard teams will play each other
26:25
Speaker 1: and then the winner will play Tampa on the other
26:27
Speaker 1: side of the bracket, you're going to have the al
26:29
Speaker 1: Central and West winners fighting it out with the worst wildcard,
26:33
Speaker 1: which is the one all these teams are in there
26:36
Speaker 1: running for one of these teams is going to be
26:39
Speaker 1: in the ALCS.
26:40
Speaker 2: Like, so.
26:43
Speaker 1: If that little push makes it that much more likely
26:46
Speaker 1: that the Twins could be in that position, I mean,
26:49
Speaker 1: if they can catch the White Sox and get the
26:51
Speaker 1: number two seed in the Ale they're sitting there waiting
26:54
Speaker 1: for a wildcard winner in the ALDS, Like, it's not
26:56
Speaker 1: crazy to think they could be there, and obviously would
27:00
Speaker 1: be an unbridled success if they got that far, even
27:02
Speaker 1: if they got swept by Tampa or whoever. But Dan, like, overall,
27:07
Speaker 1: I none of these moves are gonna you know, like
27:12
Speaker 1: make people buy twenty thousand season tickets to Target Field tomorrow.
27:15
Speaker 1: But they made the team better and it might be enough.
27:19
Speaker 1: They need to make up four games and be four
27:21
Speaker 1: games better than Chicago and Houston the rest of the way.
27:24
Speaker 1: Can they do that? It's destiny's in their hands, I think.
27:29
Speaker 4: I mean, it's conceivable they could do. They play the
27:31
Speaker 4: White Sox a bunch, They have.
27:32
Speaker 3: A series there in a series at home, still remaining
27:35
Speaker 3: with the White Sox. They have Cleveland at home later
27:38
Speaker 3: this season, so it's definitely conceivable. They got to take
27:42
Speaker 3: care of business against Kansas City, who try to a
27:44
Speaker 3: bunch of people this week.
27:45
Speaker 1: Yeah, right, but not Neck or Noah Cameron unfortunately, so they're.
27:53
Speaker 4: Screwed the next two nights.
27:54
Speaker 3: But no, I mean, look, I think that when you
27:58
Speaker 3: look at it, the real goal was to make fans
28:02
Speaker 3: interested again, like that's that's step one. Yeah, and make
28:06
Speaker 3: the players believe in the clubhouse, and that's they accomplished that. Look,
28:11
Speaker 3: did they make a massive Serik School Baal game? No,
28:15
Speaker 3: but only few teams did. But did they go out
28:19
Speaker 3: and do what they said they were gonna do? Absolutely,
28:22
Speaker 3: and they spent money to do it. They said resources
28:24
Speaker 3: wouldn't be an issue. They proved that they didn't do
28:27
Speaker 3: any kind of wins finagling of the past, where they'd
28:30
Speaker 3: give you a better prospects so you'd pay down the salary.
28:33
Speaker 4: They said, all right, well we'll take.
28:34
Speaker 3: On some cash from you, you know, eight point five
28:37
Speaker 3: million in total. They were willing to surrender good prospects.
28:41
Speaker 3: But they were willing to do that and know that
28:44
Speaker 3: this year is more important than four years from now.
28:47
Speaker 3: And I think that that was the first real chance
28:50
Speaker 3: to show they had to play catch up. They didn't
28:53
Speaker 3: do enough in the offseason last year after a very
28:55
Speaker 3: disappointing end. This is the first step forward that Tom
28:59
Speaker 3: pull had talked about making a strike, and I think
29:01
Speaker 3: he did a good job. I don't think it was
29:03
Speaker 3: like Gangbusters, Oh my god, this is amazing, But I
29:06
Speaker 3: think they did plenty here to make this team better
29:09
Speaker 3: and give them a real fighting chance to make the
29:11
Speaker 3: playoffs and play competitively down the stretch. And that was
29:15
Speaker 3: always the goal. But I mean, yeah, it's in the cards.
29:18
Speaker 3: The al Central. I mean, you can definitely see the
29:22
Speaker 3: other teams got better and Cleveland went out And although
29:25
Speaker 3: I'm not sure that I like the Joe adell move
29:27
Speaker 3: too much. But Cleveland got a good start from the Nationals.
29:31
Speaker 3: They washed the White Sox, got Luis Castillo, and they
29:35
Speaker 3: strengthened their bullpen Wasscer Braza band. So other teams did
29:39
Speaker 3: good stuff, but look, the Twins just needed to show
29:43
Speaker 3: this commitment to fans. This is what they have to
29:45
Speaker 3: keep doing. This isn't going to be enough on its own.
29:48
Speaker 3: They're gonna have to do this again in the offseason.
29:50
Speaker 3: They'll do it again next trade deadline. Then they'll have
29:53
Speaker 3: to do it again the next offseason. But this was
29:56
Speaker 3: a good first step and it was a necessary first step,
29:59
Speaker 3: and I think that that that's really what they needed
30:01
Speaker 3: to accomplish. And guys, housekeeping is going to kick me
30:04
Speaker 3: out of this hotel room in exactly one minute, so
30:07
Speaker 3: I got to bounce.
30:08
Speaker 4: But no good show. And you guys keep going.
30:11
Speaker 1: And Joela, we'll talk to Tyler if I can get
30:15
Speaker 1: him on the camera. There he is, Tyler basically the
30:20
Speaker 1: same question you like, like see it in. I think
30:26
Speaker 1: Dan's spot on there, like this was a great first step.
30:28
Speaker 1: Even if they don't maybe this just doesn't work if
30:30
Speaker 1: they don't make the playoffs, right, they tried and that
30:33
Speaker 1: that's got a matter in the clubhouse. I would think, right, oh,
30:36
Speaker 1: without a doubt.
30:36
Speaker 5: And so he said, all lot, it's doing nothing is whatever.
30:41
Speaker 5: You know, you know, you're kind of middling whatever. But
30:43
Speaker 5: we've kept we've talked on about it so much that
30:46
Speaker 5: the Central and the whole American League is so wide
30:48
Speaker 5: open that doing anything was significant because it's just a
30:52
Speaker 5: little bit of an edge here or there. You know,
30:54
Speaker 5: it's all the one run games that now are more
30:58
Speaker 5: winnable because of these additions, and that's the biggest thing.
31:02
Speaker 5: They've been to come from behind team all year. Now
31:05
Speaker 5: you have guys that theoretically you could bridge most of
31:08
Speaker 5: a game if you really needed to. You know, you're
31:11
Speaker 5: obviously not going to try and do that every day,
31:13
Speaker 5: but you know, if there's a game, a game where
31:15
Speaker 5: you know, Joe has a rough four innings but keeps
31:17
Speaker 5: it close and then you got to keep it close
31:19
Speaker 5: till the ninth, well, now that's conceivable with each guy
31:23
Speaker 5: only throwing one inning without having the torch guys in
31:25
Speaker 5: the bullpen, you know, and having them to be down
31:28
Speaker 5: for two days.
31:28
Speaker 2: Things like that.
31:29
Speaker 5: This stuff matters, and over the next two months of baseball,
31:34
Speaker 5: you know, as we're talking about the dog days this
31:36
Speaker 5: summer are here. You know, these young guys who are
31:39
Speaker 5: settling into bullpen rolls are going to learn what it's
31:41
Speaker 5: like to pitch when you're not one hundred percent. The
31:43
Speaker 5: guys they just added have been there and done that,
31:46
Speaker 5: on top of the guys that have already been there
31:48
Speaker 5: in LaTroy. Out there, it's it's a great group. They're
31:51
Speaker 5: going to be able to learn from each other and
31:53
Speaker 5: feed off of each other. You know, there's and there's
31:55
Speaker 5: so many questions still between pre Lip what the gorin
31:58
Speaker 5: end up doing with him. He's a guy that could
32:00
Speaker 5: end up sliding out there, depending what happens with the rotations.
32:04
Speaker 2: It's a great spot to be.
32:06
Speaker 5: I think they have now I won't say a surplus,
32:08
Speaker 5: but they have a very serviceable bullpen that's out there
32:12
Speaker 5: and left center, and it's.
32:15
Speaker 2: What we've really needed all along. You know.
32:17
Speaker 5: It's and then Kramer kind of bolsters up the starting
32:20
Speaker 5: rotation to eat up some more of those innings. There's
32:23
Speaker 5: just a lot of good, lots of positives for the
32:27
Speaker 5: players in that locker room. You know that the one
32:29
Speaker 5: I saw some of the day is like Josh Bell
32:31
Speaker 5: has been traded like the last three deadlines, I think,
32:33
Speaker 5: and even for a guy like him, he's like, I'm home, Like,
32:36
Speaker 5: I'm not going anywhere the rest of the year.
32:38
Speaker 2: My job is my job.
32:39
Speaker 5: And there's something to be said for that comfortable you know,
32:43
Speaker 5: that comfortability that you have shown up to the yard
32:45
Speaker 5: every day knowing that just I'm here, I'm not going anywhere.
32:49
Speaker 5: And for these guys that got traded, you know, Hoffman's
32:51
Speaker 5: probably been hearing it from his own fans all season
32:54
Speaker 5: out there in Toronto, and now they have a place
32:56
Speaker 5: that welcomes in with open arms. I'm hoping, you know,
33:00
Speaker 5: hopefully it goes smoothly because we all know what's going
33:03
Speaker 5: to be said. If not, you know, but it's just
33:06
Speaker 5: it's a great it's it's inspiring for a clubhouse. You know,
33:09
Speaker 5: it's a great thing to have happened, you know, because
33:11
Speaker 5: I was a part of trade deadlines where we got
33:14
Speaker 5: rid of guys and kind of added but didn't really.
33:17
Speaker 5: It was just like a weird it was. It was
33:19
Speaker 5: always like, are we getting better? Are we just getting
33:21
Speaker 5: really salaries? Yeah, this was strictly adding, and we didn't
33:25
Speaker 5: care that we're going to spend a little bit more money,
33:27
Speaker 5: and that's great for everybody.
33:29
Speaker 3: You know.
33:29
Speaker 5: It's like you said, making the postseasons great. Win a
33:32
Speaker 5: game or two there is great.
33:34
Speaker 3: You know.
33:34
Speaker 2: Can we say we're gonna win the World Series?
33:36
Speaker 5: You never know, but for next year even that's something
33:39
Speaker 5: that fans can hold on to, and i mean we're
33:41
Speaker 5: watching every game. It's something to hold on to, like, Okay,
33:44
Speaker 5: we're we're gonna go for this thing, and we're actually
33:46
Speaker 5: gonna try not just talk about it.
33:49
Speaker 1: It signals people to pay attention and show up. We'll
33:52
Speaker 1: see how they actually.
33:53
Speaker 2: Shower field when the ninth rolls around.
33:55
Speaker 1: Don't yeah, gosh, do not do that. Do not take
33:59
Speaker 1: a shower in the night by them in the ninth inning,
34:01
Speaker 1: especially against the Royals, who segue are the Twins next opponent.
34:05
Speaker 1: They are off today of course watching the Odyssey. Hope
34:07
Speaker 1: they had fun Tomorrow, Wednesday and Thursday in Kansas City
34:10
Speaker 1: all night games, Joe Ryan against Randy Dobnik. I'm assuming
34:15
Speaker 1: them these players have been traded from Kansas City.
34:17
Speaker 5: So apology, well, there's always that weird dead period where
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Speaker 5: it's like, you know, they're walking the papers down the hall,
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Speaker 5: right trade happens, it's like, hold on a second, he's
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Speaker 5: sending more the cross.
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Speaker 1: When did that facts come through? Exactly? Let me h.
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Speaker 1: Dean Kramer's debut, which we talked about on this morning
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Speaker 1: show is is on Wednesday, and it's Noah, Cameron, Bailey,
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Speaker 1: Ober and Michael Waka on Thursday close it off and
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Speaker 1: it gets real tough after that. Milwaukee, Baltimore, although Baltimore
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Speaker 1: was in cell mode, Philadelphia, and Atlanta. The next four
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Speaker 1: series for the Twins something telling, telling stretch for sure.
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Speaker 5: Hopefully Luisa Arrives is the least of the worries unfortunately
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Speaker 5: in Luis Arrives.
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Speaker 1: And we also we haven't even talked about that they're
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Speaker 1: playing at the Field of Dreams, which is cool, but that.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's when is that that this weekend?
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Speaker 1: That's next next Thursday, a week from Thursday. So we
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Speaker 1: still have like seventeen shows before then to oh you're
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Speaker 1: not Dan Hayes, let's put that.
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Speaker 2: Back seventeen wins.
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Speaker 3: We are.
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Speaker 1: Uh, We're gonna put this show, this live hit out
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Speaker 1: as a podcast Tuesday morning, so that'll be our second
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Speaker 1: show for the week. We're gonna not do Wednesday because
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Speaker 1: it's just one game. We'll see you Friday after the
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Speaker 1: Kansas City series and set up a pretty important weekend
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Speaker 1: series in Milwaukee. Would sure be nice to show up
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Speaker 1: well for that. Thank you as always for listening. I
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Speaker 1: hope you liked our little live experiment here. We thought
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Speaker 1: we'd try it out for the first time, and we
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Speaker 1: will catch you next time on Twin City's territory. Thanks everybody,
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Speaker 1: Bye bye,